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A68024 A parte of a register contayninge sundrie memorable matters, written by diuers godly and learned in our time, which stande for, and desire the reformation of our Church, in discipline and ceremonies, accordinge to the pure worde of God, and the lawe of our lande. Udall, John, 1560?-1592. Demonstration of the trueth of that discipline which Christe hath prescribed in his worde for the government of his Church, in all times and places, untill the ende of the worlde. 1593 (1593) STC 10400; ESTC S101665 62,546 88

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gowernement_n of_o the_o church_n by_o a_o eldership_n be_v perpetual_a 4_o that_o who_o several_a part_n be_v perpetual_a and_o which_o have_v perpetual_a gift_n give_v for_o the_o furnish_n thereof_o for_o ever_o that_o same_o must_v needs_o be_v perpetual_a but_o the_o several_a part_n of_o the_o eldership_n as_o pastor_n doctor_n and_o elder_n be_v perpetual_a as_o be_v prove_v in_o the_o 10._o and_o 12._o chap._n therefore_o the_o eldership_n be_v perpetual_a 5_o whatsoever_o be_v ground_v upon_o the_o general_a commandment_n and_o rule_n of_o the_o scripture_n that_o same_o be_v perpetual_a but_o the_o govern_n of_o the_o church_n by_o the_o eldership_n be_v such_o as_o have_v partly_o be_v prove_v in_o election_n and_o ordination_n and_o execution_n of_o the_o several_a church-office_n which_o be_v the_o great_a part_n of_o government_n and_o shall_v further_o appear_v in_o the_o censure_n of_o the_o church_n hereafter_o therefore_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n by_o the_o eldership_n be_v perpetual_a 6_o what_o soever_o manner_n of_o government_n have_v sufficient_a power_n and_o that_o from_o god_n to_o begin_v continue_v &_o strengthen_v both_o the_o governor_n of_o the_o church_n in_o their_o calling_n and_o the_o people_n in_o the_o course_n of_o obedience_n unto_o christ_n that_o same_o government_n be_v to_o be_v perpetual_a but_o such_o be_v the_o government_n by_o the_o eldership_n as_o appear_v by_o this_o that_o the_o apostle_n use_v no_o other_o therefore_o the_o eldership_n be_v to_o be_v perpetual_a 7_o that_o government_n which_o the_o 12._o apostle_n and_o paul_n before_o they_o consult_v together_o do_v uniform_o agree_v in_o that_o same_o must_v needs_o be_v of_o god_n and_o consequent_o perpetual_a unless_o the_o repeal_n of_o it_o do_v appear_v but_o such_o be_v the_o gowernement_n by_o the_o eldership_n for_o all_o the_o adversary_n thereunto_o confess_v that_o it_o be_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n therefore_o it_o be_v 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and_o strengthen_v the_o health_n of_o the_o same_o that_o same_o be_v perpetual_a but_o such_o be_v the_o government_n by_o the_o eldership_n as_o appear_v by_o the_o necessity_n and_o profit_n of_o the_o several_a office_n thereof_o and_o of_o this_o that_o we_o be_v still_o to_o observe_v in_o cause_n of_o extremity_n tell_v the_o church_n matth._n 18._o 17._o therefore_o it_o be_v perpetual_a 11_o that_o government_n which_o be_v in_o the_o church_n appoint_v of_o god_n under_o the_o law_n and_o continue_v in_o respect_n of_o the_o substance_n by_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n and_o better_v in_o respect_n of_o the_o accedent_n by_o they_o that_o same_o be_v perpetual_a but_o such_o be_v the_o government_n by_o the_o eldership_n as_o appear_v in_o the_o 12._o reason_n of_o the_o 1._o chap._n therefore_o it_o be_v perpetual_a 12_o if_o there_o be_v any_o reason_n why_o this_o government_n shall_v be_v alterable_a be_v once_o set_v in_o the_o church_n by_o christ_n it_o be_v either_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o extraordinary_a office_n cease_v or_o the_o addition_n of_o the_o magistrate_n but_o not_o of_o the_o former_a because_o the_o church_n have_v never_o have_v any_o need_n of_o extraordinary_a gift_n but_o god_n have_v give_v they_o &_o so_o will_v he_o ever_o nor_o of_o the_o latter_a for_o that_o the_o magistrate_n office_n be_v to_o defend_v the_o building_n of_o the_o church_n by_o that_o order_n which_o christ_n have_v set_v down_o and_o not_o to_o alter_v any_o thing_n therein_o therefore_o it_o be_v perpetual_a 13_o either_o this_o government_n be_v the_o best_a and_o perpetual_a or_o else_o there_o be_v none_o and_o so_o christ_n shall_v be_v think_v to_o have_v leave_v his_o church_n without_o a_o government_n which_o be_v disprove_v in_o the_o 7._o and_o 8._o reason_n in_o the_o first_o chap._n for_o this_o be_v once_o establish_v by_o christ_n and_o so_o be_v no_o other_o but_o some_o government_n must_v needs_o be_v the_o best_a and_o perpetual_a therefore_o this_o be_v perpetual_a 14_o no_o man_n may_v justly_o forbid_v speak_v of_o the_o church_n gowernement_n to_o return_v to_o the_o old_a constitution_n of_o the_o church_n of_o god_n 18._o and_o to_o receyve_v it_o before_o the_o custom_n of_o man_n 15_o experience_n teach_v this_o order_n speak_v of_o the_o church_n government_n be_v not_o for_o one_o age_n 8._o but_o necessary_a to_o all_o age_n 16_o though_o the_o common_a wealth_n change_v her_o government_n 3._o yet_o the_o church_n must_v keep_v she_o still_o 17_o lament_v 15._o that_o some_o be_v find_v among_o they_o that_o be_v esteem_v forward_a which_o will_v not_o have_v the_o same_o discipline_n use_v now_o a_o day_n that_o be_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n object_v the_o difference_n of_o time_n and_o man_n 18_o the_o apostle_n have_v write_v these_o law_n speak_v of_o discipline_n not_o for_o a_o day_n duraeus_n or_o for_o the_o first_o age_n but_o to_o endure_v for_o all_o time_n to_o come_v and_o therefore_o have_v ratify_v they_o with_o a_o most_o earnest_a obtestation_n 1._o tim._n 6._o 14._o that_o these_o commandment_n shall_v be_v keep_v until_o the_o day_n of_o the_o lord_n therefore_o if_o the_o cause_n of_o once_o ordain_v a_o eldership_n be_v perpetual_a if_o christ_n be_v the_o author_n of_o it_o and_o leave_v it_o in_o the_o church_n by_o the_o apostle_n if_o it_o be_v god_n commandment_n not_o yet_o repeal_v if_o the_o part_n of_o it_o and_o gift_n for_o it_o be_v perpetual_a if_o it_o be_v ground_v upon_o the_o general_a commandment_n and_o rule_n of_o the_o scripture_n if_o it_o have_v sufficient_a power_n from_o god_n to_o begin_v continue_v and_o confirm_v a_o church_n if_o it_o be_v agree_v upon_o by_o the_o 12._o apostle_n and_o paul_n before_o they_o meet_v together_o if_o it_o have_v the_o same_o ground_n with_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o word_n if_o it_o have_v as_o good_a ground_n to_o be_v perpetual_a as_o the_o apostle_n etc._n etc._n to_o be_v for_o a_o time_n if_o it_o be_v the_o perpetual_a remedy_n against_o all_o the_o disease_n of_o the_o church_n if_o it_o be_v under_o the_o law_n and_o enrich_v by_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n under_o the_o gospel_n if_o it_o be_v neither_o alterable_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o extraordinary_a office_n cease_v nor_o the_o magistrate_n add_v to_o the_o church_n if_o it_o be_v the_o only_o government_n that_o challenge_v authority_n from_o god_n if_o no_o man_n may_v justly_o forbid_v it_o if_o it_o be_v necessary_a for_o all_o time_n if_o the_o common_a wealth_n may_v change_v her_o government_n but_o not_o the_o church_n if_o the_o difference_n of_o time_n and_o man_n be_v nothing_o against_o it_o last_o if_o the_o rule_n that_o the_o apostle_n give_v for_o it_o be_v confirm_v with_o a_o charge_n to_o be_v keep_v until_o the_o come_n of_o christ_n then_o must_v it_o needs_o follow_v that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n by_o a_o eldership_n ought_v to_o be_v perpetual_a they_o object_n that_o many_o inconvenience_n will_v follow_v upon_o this_o government_n same_o which_o be_v severallie_o to_o be_v answer_v 1_o objection_n by_o this_o every_o parish_n shall_v follow_v their_o senior_n and_o then_o there_o be_v so_o many_o eldership_n so_o many_o diverse_a fashion_n see_v one_o may_v not_o meddle_v with_o another_o answer_n the_o government_n desire_v be_v uniform_a for_o every_o church_n and_o admit_v no_o change_n no_o not_o in_o outward_a ceremony_n without_o a_o synod_n of_o the_o choice_n man_n of_o several_a eldership_n 2_o objection_n if_o they_o be_v all_o mean_a man_n choose_v a_o earl_n he_o may_v not_o refuse_v but_o be_v at_o their_o beck_n and_o commandment_n answer_n no_o man_n that_o be_v choose_v be_v compel_v to_o a_o office_n against_o his_o will_n but_o he_o that_o despise_v to_o consult_v with_o other_o in_o god_n matter_n because_o they_o
and_o the_o latter_a disproove_v by_o these_o reason_n follow_v 1_o as_o churchofficer_n be_v ordain_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n so_o must_v they_o be_v continual_o for_o they_o do_v lay_v the_o plot_n according_a whereunto_o the_o church_n must_v be_v build_v unto_o the_o end_n but_o they_o be_v ordain_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n by_o the_o layinge_v on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o eldership_n act_n 6._o 6._o and_o 13._o 3._o therefore_o the_o church-officer_n must_v be_v ordain_v by_o layinge_v on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o eldership_n 2_o church-officer_n must_v be_v ordain_v by_o they_o that_o have_v warrant_v from_o the_o word_n to_o assure_v the_o party_n ordain_v that_o they_o be_v call_v of_o god_n only_o the_o eldership_n have_v such_o a_o warrant_v 1._o tim._n 4._o 14._o therefore_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v ordain_v by_o the_o eldership_n 3_o many_o of_o the_o sentence_n allege_v before_o out_o of_o counsel_n emperor_n law_n history_n and_o sound_v writer_n both_o old_a and_o new_a for_o election_n not_o to_o be_v by_o one_o but_o by_o diverse_a speak_v also_o of_o ordination_n and_o so_o be_v forcible_a to_o this_o purpose_n 4_o euagrius_n come_v to_o the_o office_n of_o a_o bishop_n unlawfullie_o 23._o because_o only_a paulinus_n ordain_v he_o contrary_a to_o the_o tenure_n of_o many_o cannon_n which_o provide_v that_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v ordain_v but_o by_o all_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o province_n or_o at_o the_o least_o by_o three_o 5_o when_o a_o bishop_n be_v to_o be_v ordain_v etc._n etc._n one_o bishop_n shall_v pronounce_v the_o blessing_n 23._o and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o bishop_n with_o the_o elder_n present_a shall_v all_o lay_v on_o their_o hand_n 6_o when_o a_o bishop_n be_v to_o be_v ordain_v 4._o the_o bishop_n adjoin_v do_v ordain_v he_o therefore_o if_o church-officer_n be_v ordain_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n conclusion_n not_o by_o one_o but_o by_o the_o eldership_n consistinge_v of_o many_o if_o they_o be_v to_o ordain_v that_o have_v warrant_v out_o of_o the_o word_n to_o assure_v the_o party_n ordain_v that_o they_o be_v call_v of_o god_n if_o ordination_n by_o one_o bishop_n be_v unlawful_a and_o contrary_a to_o many_o canon_n of_o counsel_n if_o the_o bishop_n &_o elder_n be_v to_o lay_v on_o their_o hand_n last_o if_o the_o bishop_n adjoin_v be_v to_o ordain_v then_o must_v it_o needs_o follow_v that_o church-officer_n be_v not_o to_o be_v ordain_v by_o one_o man_n but_o by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o eldership_n but_o they_o fight_v hear_v against_o this_o because_o it_o strike_v at_o a_o main_a pillar_n of_o their_o kingdom_n their_o chief_a ground_n be_v these_o 1_o objection_n paul_n and_o barnabas_n ordain_v elder_n where_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o any_o eldership_n answer_n they_o be_v say_v to_o ordain_v because_o they_o be_v the_o chief_a procure_v it_o so_o be_v joshua_n 5._o 3._o say_v to_o circumcise_v which_o be_v the_o levite_n office_n so_o say_v we_o the_o queen_n have_v make_v a_o law_n and_o yet_o not_o she_o alone_o make_v any_o 2_o objection_n though_o it_o be_v so_o then_o yet_o be_v it_o not_o so_o require_v now_o no_o more_o than_o the_o community_n in_o the_o apostle_n time_n answer_n there_o be_v no_o more_o community_n then_o for_o they_o that_o think_v otherwise_o be_v in_o that_o point_n anabaptistes_n then_o be_v to_o be_v require_v now_o so_o that_o instance_n make_v for_o us._n 3_o objection_n example_n be_v no_o general_a rule_n to_o be_v follow_v answer_n example_n not_o contrary_v any_o rule_n or_o reason_n of_o the_o scripture_n be_v to_o be_v follow_v as_o if_o they_o be_v commandment_n so_o that_o notwithstanding_o any_o thing_n allege_v to_o the_o contrary_a it_o remain_v upon_o the_o former_a ground_n most_o steadfast_a that_o it_o belong_v to_o the_o eldership_n to_o ordain_v those_o church_n officer_n that_o be_v to_o be_v employ_v in_o the_o public_a service_n of_o god_n chap._n 8._o the_o ordain_v of_o church-officer_n must_v be_v do_v with_o humble_a prayer_n of_o the_o eldership_n &_o the_o congregation_n discipl_n ecclesiast_fw-la fol._n 50._o their_o unreverent_a beginning_n and_o proceed_v therewith_o in_o a_o corner_n be_v contrary_a to_o this_o which_o be_v condemn_v by_o the_o proof_n of_o our_o assertion_n by_o these_o reason_n 1_o we_o be_v to_o behave_v ourselves_o in_o these_o action_n as_o they_o by_o who_o we_o have_v direction_n to_o do_v they_o have_v set_v we_o a_o example_n but_o the_o apostle_n &_o elder_n when_o they_o ordain_v church-officer_n do_v always_o commend_v the_o action_n to_o god_n by_o prayer_n together_o with_o those_o congregation_n over_o which_o they_o place_v they_o act_n 6._o 6._o and_o 14._o 23._o therefore_o the_o ordayninge_v of_o church-officer_n must_v be_v do_v by_o humble_a prayer_n of_o the_o eldership_n and_o congregation_n 2_o the_o great_a the_o action_n be_v that_o be_v in_o hand_n the_o more_o careful_a must_v they_o be_v that_o have_v it_o in_o hand_n to_o humble_v they_o self_n by_o prayer_n for_o the_o lord_n assistance_n therein_o but_o the_o ordain_v of_o church-officer_n be_v a_o action_n of_o most_o weighty_a importance_n therefore_o they_o that_o have_v it_o in_o hand_n which_o be_v the_o eldershipp_n to_o ordain_v he_o and_o congregation_n to_o receyve_v he_o ought_v to_o humble_a themselves_o in_o earnest_a prayer_n before_o hand_n 3_o they_o that_o shall_v have_v part_n in_o the_o comfort_n or_o discomfort_v of_o the_o action_n be_v to_o join_v together_o in_o prayer_n unto_o god_n for_o the_o better_a event_n and_o against_o the_o worse_a but_o the_o eldership_n and_o people_n shall_v both_o have_v part_n in_o the_o event_n of_o the_o action_n therefore_o they_o be_v to_o join_v together_o in_o humble_a prayer_n before_o hand_n etc._n etc._n chap._n 9_o church-officer_n must_v be_v ordain_v by_o layinge_v on_o of_o hand_n in_o this_o they_o agree_v with_o we_o concern_v the_o ceremony_n itself_o 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