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A54912	Occasionall discourses 1. Of worship and prayer to angells and saints. 2. Of purgatorie. 3. Of the Popes supremacie. 4. Of the succession of the Church. Had with Doctor Cosens, by word of mouth, or by writing from him. By Thomas Carre confessour of the English nunnerie at Paris. As also, An answer to a libell written by the said Doctor Cosens against the great Generall councell of Lateran under Innocentius the third, in the yeere of our Lord 1215. By Thomas Vane Doctor in Diuinity of Cambridge.	Carre, Thomas, 1599-1674.; Vane, Thomas, fl. 1652. Answer to a libell written by D. Cosens against the great Generall councell of Laterane under Pope Innocent the Third. aut	1646 (1646)	Wing P2272; ESTC R220529	96,496	286

were yet cloathed with a fleshly garment The seconde in these Further we offer vnto thee this reasonable obseruance for the faithfull departed for our brethren and sisters by the interuention of the Patriarkes Prophets Apostles Martyrs Confessours and all the Saints Againe Remember ô Lord as being good thy seruants and pardon what euer they trespassed in their life OBSERVATION Loe a Memento Domine pronounced aloude Prayer made for the dead that they might be deliuered from darknes tribulation and sorrow pardoned what in this life they might haue offended oblation made for them The intercessions of the Patriarkes Prophets Apostles c. employed Iudge whether it is the Catholike or Protostant practice which is here expressed and whether of these doeth more emulate the primitiue customes of their forefathers By these more then sufficient testimonies of the Greeke Fathers in their writings Councell Liturgies c. it is most manifest that it was and is the practice of the Greeke Church to offer Sacrifice to giue Almes to pray for the soules departed that their sinnes might be pardoned and they deliuered from their purging paynes their purging fire wherby what is vicious and corrupt might be purged It rests onely that we shew that it is in the sense in which the Councell of Trent holds it which is that which Mr. Cosens denies Heare the Councell of Trent Whereas the Catholike Church instructed by the holy Ghost Sess 25. by holy Writt and the ancient Tradition of Fathers hath taught in holy Councells and lastly in this vniuersall Synode that there is a Purgatorie and that the soules there detayned are helped by the suffrages of the faithfull but especially by the Sacrifice of the acceptable Altar the holy Synode commands the Bishops to vse a diligent endeauour that the wholsome doctrine of Purgatorie deliuered by the holy Fathers and Councells be beleeued held taught and preached euery where by the Faithfull of Christ Againe If any affirme that after the receipt of iustifying grace the fault is so remitted and the guilt of eternall paines so blotted out to any penitent sinner Sess 6. can 30. that there remaynes no guilt of tempor all punishment to be payed either in this life or the next in Purgatorie before we can get entrie into the kingdome of heauen let him be accursed What I pray is here which sounds not the verie same beares not the same sense with the precedent passages of the Greeke Fathers The Councell of Trent saith There is a Purgaterie The Grecian Fathers say A Furnace of purging fire The Councell of Trent affirmes that the Catholique Church instructed by the Holy Gh. c. was taught this doctrine by holy Scripture and the ancient Tradition of Fathers The Grecian Fath. The holy Ghost disposed all these things They were not rashly inuented They were not established in vaine by the Apostolicall lawes The Councell of Trent auerres That the soules there detayned to witt in Purgatorie are helped by the suffrages of the faithfull especially by the Sacrifice of the Altar The Grecian Fath. That the soules of sinners partake some benefit by the vnbloudie Sacrifice and good workes done for them That they prayed for all those who dyed from among them beleeuing that it is a great helpe to their soules for whom the obsecration of the holy and dreadfull Sacrifice which is put vpon the Altar is offered and the price of our Redemption is put downe That Oblations Prayers Almes are not made in vaine for the dead The Priest prayes that the deceased may find his Iudge more propitious That God would become propitious to the sinnes not onely of the liuing but also of the dead That it is an vndoubted custome in the Catholike and Apostolicall Church The Councell of Trent commands That the wholsome doctrine of Purgatorie should be beleeued held taught preached c. The Grecian Fath. beleeue hold teach and preach it The Councell of Trent accurses such as deny that after we haue receiued iustifying grace there remaynes any guilt of tempor all punishment either to be payed in this life or in the next in Purgatorie c. The Grecian Fath. affirme that such as are in purging paynes are helped to be freed from them by the suffrages of the faithfull yet liuing to witt by the Sacrifices of Masses prayers almes and other workes of pietie That the sinners which dye are not alwayes sent to hell That the oblations and distributions which are performed for the dead doc not à litle conduce euen to such as dyed in great sinnes Was there euer or euen could there euer be imagined a greater and sweeter harmonie vpon any point of doctrine betwixt the East and the west the Greeke and the Latine Church Is ouum ouo similius Is it not then a boldnes without the warrantie of all reason to affirme the contrarie point blank to witt forsooth that they held it not in the sense the Councell of Trent held it Did they at least hold it in the sense it is held by the Prot. Church of England in her 39. Articles Where she saith The Romish doctrine concerning Purgatorie c. is a fond thing vainely inuented and grounded vpon no warrantie of Scripture but rather repugnant to the word of God Obserue the contrariety betwixt the Greeke and English Protestant Church Origene Sinners are tormented in a purgation made by fire The Prot. Church of England It is a fond thing Article 22. Eusebius Alexand. By the meanes of prayers great rest is procured to the dead The Prot. Church of England It is a thing vainely inuented Art 22. S. Athanasius The soules of sinners haue benefit by the vnbloudie Sacrifice and good workes done for them The Prot. Church of Eng. The Sacrifices of Masses in the which it was comonly said Art 31. that the Priests did offer Christ for the quicke and the dead to haue remission of payne or guilt were blasphemous fables and dangerous deceipts Cyrillus Hier. A dreadfull Sacrifice put vpon the Altar and offered for our sinnes The Prot. Church of Eng. Blasphemous fables dangerous deceipts Cyrillus Hier. He beleeued that it to witt prayer for the dead was a great helpe to their soules The Prot. Art 22. Church of Eng. A fond thing vainely inuented S. Greg. Nyssenus Expiation after death by purging fire The Prot. Church of Eng. There is no other satisfaction for sinne but that alone Art 31. to witt the bloudie oblation finished once vpon the Crosse S. Chrysostome A Doctrine of the diuine mercy The Prot. Church of Eng. A fond thing Art 22. S. Chrys A thing not rashly inuented The Prot. Church of Eng. A thing Vainely inuented S. Chrys Disposed by the Holy Ghost The Prot. Art 31. Church of Eng. A dangerous deceipt S. Chrys An Apostolicall Constitution that memorie should be made of the soules departed in the diuine mysteries The Prot. Church of Eng. Art 22. Grounded vpon no warranty of Scripture

for them either in the Sacrifices of the Altar or of praier or almes-deedes Though yet they profit not euerie one they are made for but those alone who obtaine in their life time that they may profit them De Haeresibus haer 53. The Aerians tooke their names for à certaine Aerius who being Priest was said to be troubled he could not be made Bishop and falling into the Arrians heresie added some of his owne tenets affirming that it was not lawfull to pray or offer Sacrifice for the Dead De cura pro mortuis c. 1. In the bookes of the Machabees we reade that a sacrifice was offered for the dead Howbeit though it were not at all read in the ancient Scriptures the authoritie of the vniuersall Church which is euident in point of this custome is uo small matter where the commendation of the dead hath its proper place in the prayers of the priest which are powred out to God at his Altar Here you will marke two things The first is that saint Augustine esteemed the Machabees to be Scripture since he argues for Purgatorie from it and indeed he confirmes the same both in his seconde booke of Christian Doctrine the eight Chapter and also in his 18. booke of the Cittie of God 36. Chap. in these words The bookes to witt two of the Machabees are held to be Canonicall not by the Iewes but by the Church The seconde that though there were no scripture for it yet ought the authoritie of the vniuersall Church to preuayle at it doth in many other things of greater cō sesequence Witnesse the said Saint in diuers passages which both the Catholike and Protestant doe admitt of For first Epist fundamen moued by the authoritie of the Church we beleeue the Gospell it selfe which without it we should not beleeue I would not saith he beleeue the Gospell vnlesse the authoritie of the Catholike Church did moue me to it Secondly we beleeue many things which are not in the Scripture as that the sonne is consubstantiall with the Father It is not found written in holy writt saith he and yet that it is said is defended in the assertion of faith That the Father is vnbegotten We read not in those bookes the scriptures that the Father is vnbegotten Epist 174. and yet we make good that we ought to say so in the same place That the Holy Ghost is to be adored Giue me say you he meanes Maximinus an Arrian some testimonies where the Holy Ghost is adored as though forsooth replyes saint Augustine out of these things which we reade we vnderstoode not also some things which we reade not That it was written when the Apostle saint Paul was baptised no mention being made of the rest of the Apostles It is written when the Apostle saint Paul was baptised and it is not written when the rest of the Apostles were baptised and yet we must vnderstand that they also were baptised Finally that a child which cannot yet speake is said to beleeue and may be baptised Be it farre from me to affirme that children beleeue not c. he beleeues in another who offended in another It is answered dicitur he beleeues and it is of force and he is numbred among the faithfull baptised See what a necessitie is imposed vpon all Christians to haue some other infallible ground besides Scripture to stand vpon both to make good Scripture it selfe to witt that it is the true word of God that there are so many bookes of it and no more that we haue the true sense of it c. and many other maine grounds of Christianitie which you see we dare not denye while yet we can produce no formall scripture for them Now what ground that is let the same Saint Augustine deliuer Saint Cyprian faith he doth admonish vs that we should run backe to the fountaine that is to the Apostolicall Tradition and so bring downe the chanells to our tymes It is the best way l 5. cap 26. contra Donatistas and to be done without doubt And againe it is manifest that in a thing doubtfull the authoritie of the Catholike Church confirmed by the order of Bishops succeeding one another and the consent of people Ex libro cōtra Manichaos Dist 11.6 Palam from the verie foundation of the seas of the Apostles till this present tyme is of force to faith valet ad fidem And to know which is an Apostolicall Tradition which not De Bap. con Don. l. 4. c. 24. and l. 2. c 7. and Epist 118. c. 1. the same saint Augustine leaues vs another Rule thrice ouer for fayling What the VNIVERSALL CHVRCH holds and is not yet established in Councells but is alwayes obserued is most rightly beleeued to haue bene deliuered by no other then by Apostolicall authoritie Whence he concludes that it is a most insolent madnesse to dispute whether that ought to be done which the whole Church frequents all ouer the world But the whole Church all ouer the world in the yeare 1517. frequented as all our aduersaries confesse and condemne in vs an vnblouddy sacrifice prayer almes c. for the dead that they might be freed from their sinnes c. therfore it was following saint Augustins phrase and is a most insolent madnesse to deny it In conclusion either hath the proposition and practice of the VNIVERSALL CHVRCH auhoritie to conuince the beleife of a thing not otherwise written yea or no If not It were but meete that the simpler sorte should be instructed clearely and fairely vpon what infallible warranty they beleeue these ensuing points which they meete not with in their Bible 1. That Christians haue indeed the whole reuealed word of God 2. That it is contayned in so many bookes neither more nor fewer 3. That the Epistle to the Hebrewes is a part of it how euer it was some tymes doubted of 4. That there is a certaine number of Sacraments c. as aboue out of saint Augustine BVt if you graunt me that the vniversall Church hath such an infallible authoritie and that vpon it you depend for the certaintie of the precedent articles I may say with S. Augustine you obserue by this of what importance the authoritie of the Cathol Church is but you must also answer me why Catholikes may not with equall confidence depend vpon the same authoritie in point of assurance of purgatorie I am not able to discouer a disparitie or apprehend how being held credible in the deliuerie of those she should not also be credible in this since both are equally proposed both relye vpon the same veracitie or credit Be pleased to ponder this part well and afford the world a cleare and satisfactorie answer The grounds of Christianitie seeme to me to be shaken if the Churches veracitie herein beviolated and great pittie it were that the animositie to make good our priuate opinions should betray Gods knowen truthes An erring Disputant saith saint Augustine is