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A96858	Gnōston tou Theou, k[a]i gnōston tou Christou, or, That which may be knovvn of God by the book of nature; and the excellent knowledge of Jesus Christ by the Book of Scripture. Delivered at St Mary's in Oxford, by Edward Wood M.A. late proctor of the University and fellow of Merton Coll. Oxon. Published since his death by his brother A.W. M.A.	Wood, Edward, 1626 or 7-1655.; Wood, Anthony à, 1632-1695.	1656 (1656)	Wing W3387; Thomason E1648_1; ESTC R204118	76,854	234

put into a man enabling him to resist even his own desires to fight against his own flesh and blood to suffer and beare all afflictions and tribulations for Christ his sake shew me any humane eloquence that can alter and change the very natures of men that can over-awe keep under hatches the rebellions mutinies and motions of the flesh that can put a Felix into a trembling a stubborne Pharaoh into a relenting that can give light unto the simple stop the mouth of gainsayers that can divide between the heart and the world between a mans selfe and his selfe humane eloquence that can only move and perswade this force and command it comes with an 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 thus saith the Lord and therefore exacts obedience Adde to all these the testimonies of all times concerning the Scriptures their Antiquity Moses being borne before the very Gods of the Heathens the latest of the Prophets matching the antientest of the Phylosophers adde also their constant preservation and continuance even till now maugre all the fury and rage of Tyrants the malice of Divells and divelish men who have done and doe still oppose these holy writings adde finally unto all these the testimonies of an army of Martyrs maintaining even to death the truth of the Scriptures men of all sorts ignorant who though they could not dispute could yet dye for the truth wise rich poore of all ages and sexes women children aged folkes enduring all manner of torments with all manner of torments with all patience and constancy for the maintenance of Gods Word and the truthes therein contained these with many other reasons may sufficiently demonstrate that God alone is the Author of the Scriptures but now as there may be many witnesses unto a bond and yet still all be of little moment unlesse the seale be put on too in like manner all these witnesses and arguments here produced will be of little concernement unto our Salvation unlesse they be sealed with the Spirit of promise as the Apostle speakes Ephes 1. 13. we may be convicted by the foregoing arguments that God is the Authour of the Holy Scriptures but yet they can never per se worke faith nor a full assurance of them unlesse the Spirit which beareth witnesse unto our Spirits jointly cooperates and opens our eyes more fully to see this light for as Hagar Gen. 21. 19. could not see the fountain that was neer her untill God had opened her eyes so neither can we perfectly discerne or savingly know the holy Scriptures untill the Holy Ghost doth open our eyes as David speakes to behold the marvellous things of the Law we have therefore occasion here to enquire how it may appeare unto us that the Scriptures are the Word of God or how a man may savingly and truely know that the Scriptures are the Word of God and of divine authority the Papists they say that the reason why they believe the Scriptures are the Word of God is because the Church saith so we say that the reason why we believe them so to be is because they are in themselves worthy of all beliefe and because the Spirit of God witnesseth and sealeth unto our Spirits that they are the Word of God now whether the witnesse of men or the witnesse of God be greater judge ye however it hath been a point very much controverted and canvassed on both sides therefore I shall endeavour briefly and cleerly to state it and to make you understand the absurdity and vanity of their position Our thesis on which I shall ground my Discourse shall be this namely that the Authority of the Scriptures in esse cognito and quoad nos doth not so depend on the Church as on their own innate light and testimony of the Spirit within us the termes of this Thesis being explained you will easily understand the whole matter I say then that the Authority of the Scriptures in esse cognito and quoad nos for though some of the Papists have been so impudent as to affirme that the Scriptures have no more divine authority in them without the Testimony of the Church then Aesops Fables or Ovid's Metamorphosis hath yet some of the moderne and ingenuous of them doe acknowledge that in themselves indeed they are of divine authority yet this cannot say they otherwise appeare unto us then by the testimony of the Church we say then that they may otherwise appeare unto us to be Gods Word then by the church as we may know that light is light and gold is gold by their owne qualities and lustre without any mans telling of us that they are so besides if they are as they confesse of divine authority in themselves by what Law then can their Church usurpe authority over them unlesse as needs it must come to passe they account the authority of their Church above that of God and so become no lesse blasphemers then absurd 2. I say that the authority of the Scriptures in esse cognito and quoad nos doth not so much depend upon the Church as on their own innate light and testimony of the Spirit within us doth not so much I say for I doe not deny but that the Church is a great confirmer of the truth and divinity of the Scriptures and that it doth execute many good offices toward them As First it is a witnesse unto them and a keeper and preserver of them but now will any one be so absurd to say that the records or writings of a King doe receive authority from their Notary or Register because he keeps them Secondly the Church may discerne and judge between true and false supposititions Scriptures and that by examining them according to the originall Canon and platforme of Moses his Law for my sheep saith our Saviour John 10. heare my voyce and so can distinguish it from another but now as a Goldsmith may by his weights and touchstone distinguish Gold from Copper yet not be said to make the Gold yea or to make it so unto us but only to make us the more easily believe that Gold it is in like manner the Church in its examining distinguishing of Scriptures can be only said to confirm unto us the divinity of them not in any wise either in themselves or unto us to make them divine The third thing that the Church doth is to preach and divulge the Scriptures but now as we believe and obey the Proclamation of a King not because such an one proclaimeth it but for it selfe so likewise we obey and believe the Scriptures not for the Church but it s own sake Fourthly the Church doth expound and interpret Scriptures but now as a faithfull Interpreter of an Embassadour doth not either adde or take from the true sence and meaning of him so likewise neither doth or ought the true Church to adde or diminish any thing of Holy Writ and therefore much lesse hath it power to make it in any wise of any greater

price or value then really it is in it selfe and this is all the true power that the Church can challenge in relation unto the holy Scriptures wherefore the true Church we honour in respect of these things but we doe not adore it and make it of greater Authority then the Scriptures themselves Wherefore 3. We say that the Authority of them doth not so much depend on the Church as on their own innate light and testimony of the Holy Spirit within us their own innate light I say for saith Chamier there is in the Scriptures a peculiaris genius and strein whereby they may upon examination be easily discovered to be the Word of God as a Critick will know by the phrase and stile and the like that such a book is Lyvies such an one Juvenalls so also will a Christian upon the due search triall of the holy Scriptures by their matter Heavenly by their stile deep and by their divine phrase mysticall presently conclude that they are the Word of God and that they can have no other Author then the King of Heaven and then farther I say there is required a Testimony of the holy Spirit within us which Spirit is as I may so speake the seale unto all the rest and peculiar only to Gods Children a man may by the hearsay of the Church historically know the Scriptures but this will no more comfort his heart then the discourses concerning honey and sweet-meates will the stomacke a man may also be convicted of the truth of the Word from those arguments I pressed even now and yet he may be no more converted by them then the Jewes were at the Miracles of Christ which they knew were wrought by a divine power well then what is it that must ultimately perswade us and assure a child of God certitudine fidei with an assurance of faith that the Scriptures are the Word of God the Church that cannot for how can that infuse faith which the Scriptures every where set forth to be the Gift of God what then is it that assures us doubtlesse the Spirit of God co-working with us and upon our prayers and diligent reading and examining of the Word assuring us that this Word which was thus confirmed by miracles thus verifyed by the truth of the Prophesyes contained in it this Word that hath so perfect a consent within its self that hath so admirable efficacy upon the hearers and readers thereof that hath been so wonderfully preserved in all ages that this Word and this Word only is the Word of God and of divine authority so then the Church that can only report unto us the Spirit that doth firmely perswade us the Church that can ministerially only ingenerate an opinion in us the Spirit a Faith and certainty of the Scriptures as then men may heare a very great report of anothers worth learning and counsell and yet be never fully satisfied concerning it till they find it so to be by their own experience or as those Samaritans who did believe in part on Christ for the saying of the woman were yet notwithstanding further confirmed established in the faith of him when they heard his own words John 4. 24. in like manner though we may historically believe that the Scriptures are the Word of God because the Church saith so yet this testimony of the Church doth minister little assurance or satisfaction unto a child of God untill it be farther back't on and established by a farther testimony of the Spirit which undoubtedly must be the firmest assurance a man can have because it is that alone which doth open the eyes to behold the wondrous things of the Law Psal 119. 18. 't is that alone which leadeth into all truth Joh. 16. 13. 't is that alone which inseparably accompanys the faithfull in the Scriptures My Spirit which is upon thee and my words which I have put in thy mouth shall not depart out of thy mouth Isa 59. 21. and therefore 't is that alone which gives strongest evidence unto its selfe speaking in the Scriptures if yee receive the witnesse of men the witnesse of God is greater saith S. Paul the witnesse of the Church is but the witnesse of men therefore the witnesse of the Spirit is greater but say they the Spirit speaketh by the Church and therefore we must believe the Church only when it testifyes of the Scriptures Whitaker answers for me that if so be the Spirit doth thus speak by the Church from whence then hath the Church this assurance but from the Spirit and so our beliefe of the Scriptures must ultimately resolve of necessity into the Testimony of the Spirit againe they say that the Church was before the Scriptures we answer no by no meanes for then how can the Word be called the everlasting wisedome of God and the immortall seed of which the Church is borne the Church was before the written Word but not before the unwritten Aske a Papist how they know that the Church is of such authority and they will prove it by the Scriptures and therefore the authority proving must needs be of greater esteem and before the authority proved but is not the Church called the pillar and ground of truth yes but what doth a candle receive any light from the candlesticke because it stickes in it what though the Church is the seat and mansion place of the Scriptures yet were it possible that there were no Church in the World yet is not the Scripture of lesse authority then now it is the Church then is only a ministeriall pillar to preserve keep and set forth the word not a fundamentall one to uphold and give being unto it and here I might wade farther into a Discourse concerning the authority of the Church and the Scriptures but it having been so fully handled already and answered by multitudes of eminent men I shall goe no farther it remaines that I should practically apply what hath been already spoken but this together with the other propertyes of Scriptures their perspicuity and perfection I shall leave to the next part This is the AVTHOVRS last Sermon that ever He preacht which was at S. Maries in Oxon. March 20. 1655. Phil. c. 3. v. 8. first part Yea doubtlesse and I count all things but losse for the excellency of the Knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord. IN this Chapter the Apostle armes his Philippians against their false teachers by opposing his own judgement and example to their erroneous and lying suggestions There were a company of prophane persons started up in the Church of Philippi whom Paul counts no better then doggs evill workers and of the concision verse 2. who instead of circumcising their hearts went about rather to cut and rend asunder the Church these men now being left to be brought from their old fleshly confidences the workes of the Law did vaunt much of their outward priviledges and would fain slink into circumcision and other ceremoniall performances and joyne

Invisible things of him and since this Light of ours is further improved by the eye of an understanding soule let us not be as the Psalmist cals them Brutish Men that know not these things As Beasts which commonly looke upon this Palace and no more But when we view these Bodies of ours let us endeavour to see a God who covered us in our Mothers Wombe and who still upholdeth these Mud-wals of clay by the Power of his Word When we walke into the feilds there looke upon the corne the Herbs and the grasse let us meditate upon the God of them who once said let the earth bring forth grasse the herb yeilding flowers and the fruit-tree yeilding fruit after his kind and it did so and if so be God so cloth the grasse of the field which to day is and to morrow is cast into the Oven shall he not much more cloth thee O thou of little faith When thou lookest up into Heaven meditate upon that God which ordained the Moone and the Stars and which maketh Arcturus Orion and Pleiades and the Chambers of the south When thou viewest any Creature consider whose stamp it beares and whose goodnesse is shewne in the creating and preserving of it Lastly let us be exhorted to study God in his Workes of Providence and in his dispensations towards mankind there are many even amongst us Christians who seeing things happen contrary to their desires and Carnall Reasons as the godly to be dejected and the wicked advanced doe implicitely deny a God or at least wise with the Epicureans think that he sits idle in Heaven without any respect or care had unto Mankind whereas did we not measure the depth of Gods dispensations by our owne shallow carnall reasons we might even in the greatest huddle and confusion of things see a God steering and directing them all to his owne Glory Though then thou seest sinne every where even in the streets to abound know also that there is no evill in the City which the Lord hath not done though thou seest the ungodly to flourish like a green bay-tree and with David art puzled with the consideration of it yet with him enter into the House of God and then thou shalt see the end of these men namely how that there is a God who setteth them in slippery places and who onely feedeth them for the day of slaughter Well then to conclude both in the Workes of Creation and Providence we ought to study God because that in them we may read those invisible things of him both of them are as spectacles unto us to help us in the viewing of this Invisible God and though indeed in Christ and in the Scriptures we may read him farre more distinctly yet so long as wee are in these our Earthly Tabernacles we ought to make use of these Representations of his Majesty till the time come when wee shall not stand in need of these spectacles when this glaste of the Creatures shall vanish in the Generall Conflagration of all things and then we shall behold him face to face and enjoy a most glorious prospect of his Divinity in those new heavens for evermore FINIS 2 Tim. 3. 16 17. All Scripture is given by inspiration and is profitable for Doctrine for Reproofe c. WEE are now to speak concerning the perspicuity and perfection of the Scriptures concerning which I shall be more briefe as I told you because they have been so largely handled already by sundry learned men unto the substance of whose writings there can indeed scarce any thing be added unlesse perhaps farther illustration and a more practicall handling of them the perspicuity of Scripture may be inferred from the use of it here set down by the Apostle it is profitable for Doctrine saith he for Reproof for Correction for Instruction in Righteousnesse foure uses are here made mention of in Scripture the two Doctrinall teaching of truth and confuting errours the two last practicall correction of vice and instruction of holy conversation from whence I inferre that since it doth thus teach thus convince it must needs carry with it such a light and evidence of truth that neither its doctrines may be rejected through their obscurity nor its arguments gainsayd for want of cleerenesse and since also it is usefull for Reformation of manners and direction in a holy life needs must its rules for this purpose be so plainely set down that every one concerned in such dutys may be thereby instructed unto holinesse the Scriptures may be termed the first Elements of a Christian a Child may go to schoole unto them for saith the Apostle they are profitable 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is as the word implyes for instruction of Children even a Child may spell out the Scriptures what is his duty toward God and his neighbour and doubtlesse if a Child may read and understand the Scriptures they are not so obscure so intricate so perplexed as some conceive them to be in prosecution therefore of this point we shall shew 1. that the Scriptures are in themselves perspicuous 2. That they are more or lesse perspicuous according to the diversity of the subjects entertaining them 3. We shall endeavour to shew some reasons why God hath left some places more obscure then other 1. First that the Scriptures are in themselves perspicuous may appeare by severall texts Ps 19. 8. The commandement of the Lord is pure enlightning the eyes they are pure and therefore not alloy'd with any muddinesse or clouded with any obscurity they enlighten the eyes and therefore carry along with them such evident plainenesse that he who is not quite blinded may easily perceive the truth of them So Ps 119. 105. Thy Word is a Lamp unto my feet and a light unto my paths it doth that is by its perspicuity and clearenesse both as a lampe and light direct me in all my goings hence also it is that the Scripture is called 2 Pet. 1. 19. A light that shineth in darke places denoting out unto us that the word not only in its own nature is light but also that wheresoever it commeth it dispelleth darknes as the Sun at his appearance forceth away the night the foggs and mists as Solomon a man of the profoundest wisedome that ever lived said that he writ to give subtility to the simple to the young men knowledge and discretion Prov. 1. 4. there is in the Word of God such innate plainenesse and perspicuity that the simplest man may thereby be enlightned the youngest instructed but here when we say the Scriptures are plain and easy to be understood we must distinguish concerning fundamentalls and things necessary to be known and circumstantialls or such things whose exact knowledge is not so necessary unto salvation those matters which belong unto a saving knowledge of God are plainely set down such as are the commandements and the doctrine contained in the Apostles Creed but now there are some things which either relating

to some particular customes of the Jew or Gentile or unto the proper times wherein the Scriptures were severally writ may be accounted hard and not so plaine as that we may primâ fronte and without much learning and study understand them however a Christian may be saved without any knowledge of these though not so without the other A man may go to Heaven without knowing whether the Temple were built in such or such a yeare or whether Job lived before Moses or after him yet he cannot without understanding that he must believe in Christ that he is a sinner and the like thus in other sciences there are some indemonstrable principles so plainely set downe that no man can question them and other things againe not altogether so essentiall somewhat doubtfull and darkly proposed but what may some one say the Mystery of the Trinity and the distinction of the persons in the Godhead are fundamentall doctrines yet they are above the reach of reason and therefore obscure well 't is true these and the like Doctrines are obscure but then as in Geometry the same thing may be darke in its selfe and yet by a demonstration plainely set down unto us in holy writ and we ought to be contented with what that teacheth us concerning them and however the very fundamentalls of our Religion are by some disputed of and called into question yet this proceedeth rather from the perversenesse and crookednesse of mens minds then that they are obscure and doubtfully set down in Scripture neither are they lesse to be received of us because they question them then the doctrine of motion is in Phylosophy though a certaine foolish Phylosopher did once deny it So the Apostle saith 2 Pet. 3. 16. that there are somethings in Pauls Epistles hard to be understood which they that are unlearned and unstastable wrest as they doe also the other Scriptures unto their own destruction marke here there are somethings 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not all things but some things only namely such as he speakes of here in this Chapter the last judgement and destruction of the world the time and manner of which things are not essentiall unto our salvation these things so hard are wrested by unlearned unstable men that is men ignorant of the Scriptures and not ballanced with the Spirit unholy ungodly men and therefore as the same sunne may be light and yet not appeare so to be unto a blind man the same booke plaine and legible and yet unto dull and dimme eyes darke and obscure in like manner the same things which are plaine and perspicuous unto the Godly Regenerate men whose eyes God openeth are for the most riddles and strange things unto the wicked whom the God of this world hath blinded we shall therefore in the Second place shew you that they are more or lesse perspicuous according to the diversity of the subjects entertaining them objective and in themselves they are perspicuous but subjective in respect of men they are more or lesse plaine according as men are Regenerated or Unregenerated the whole world you know is divided into the Regenerate and Unregenerate this is an adequate division of all men and therefore we shall 1. Enquire concerning the the plainnesse and obscurity of the Scriptures in relation unto irregenerate men and we shall lay downe this position that noe wicked irregenerate man can savingly know the Scriptures or thus that the Scriptures though plaine in their natures are yet darke and obscure unto irregenerate men If our Gospell be hid it is hid to them that are lost 2 Cor. 4. 3. our Gospel saith the Apostle is as cleare as the light but who can finde fault with the Sun if it gives not light to a blinde man it is hid indeed but then it is to those that are lost to ungodly men for the carnall man preceiveth not the things of the Spirit 1 Cor. 2. the Scriptures all throughout contain in them Spirituall things and therefore as a meer sensible Creature cannot judge of the discourses and reasonings of men so neither can a meer rationall man perceive or disscover the Mysteries of the Spirit which is only proper to him unto whom the Spirit revealeth them as the Apostle elsewhere speakes you know the Scripture is devided into the Law and the Gospell and unregenerate men are said to be either within or without the Church now an unregenerate man a Gentile without the Church may have an historicall knowledge of the Law for saith the Apostle Rom. 2. 14. they doe by nature the things contained in the Law but as from an old eaten manuscript a man may gather a word or sentence or two when yet notwithstanding he is not able to find out the drift scope and end of it because through its ancientnesse it is much worne and perished in like manner from those old reliques and vestigies of that Law written in the hearts of the Gentiles they might discover some things which pertained unto their dutyes towards God and their Neighbour but then they could not know therefrom the intent of the Law which was to drive them to a Christ they could not know that by it they could not be justifyed they understood not the end and drift for which God wrote this Law in their hearts therefore though they might have an Historicall yet they could not have a Saving knowledg thereof But Secondly as for the Gospell a Gentile cannot have either an Historicall or saving knowledge of it without it be preached unto them or by some extraordinary way unknown unto us infused into them for Faith ordinarily that is commeth by hearing and hearing by the word of God therefore the opinion of those who think that by the light of nature a man may come to the knowledge of Christ and the Gospell is to be rejected 2. Secondly a Christian unregenerate man within the Church may have an Historicall contemplative knowledge of the Law and Gospell but no saving particular knowledge of either for it is to them foolishnesse 1 Cor. 2. 14. and therefore it is rather a scandall and stumbling block unto them then a light and saving rule it cannot be expected therefore that the Scriptures should seem plain unto them whose noysome lusts doe cast a mist and a cloud before their understandings and whose interests and prejudices against the Doctrine of them suffereth them not to behold their purity and cleernesse Secondly as ungodly irregenerate men cannot have any saving cleer knowledge of the Scriptures so on the contrary Godly regenerate Christians may have it for unto them alone it is given to know the secrets of the Kingdome of God but to others in parables that when they see they should not see and when they heare they should not understand and so 2 Cor. 3 15 16. t is said untill this day when Moses is read the vaile is laid over their hearts neverthelesse when they shall turne unto the Lord the Vaile shall be

other mysteries they were darkely and emblematically as I may so speake hinted only in the Old Testament God thus ordering it that his people might more eagerly desire and pray for their fuller revelation But now to us under the New Testament these things are more cleerly layd open unto us so that we ought not to exspect farther revelation of them then what we have in the Word already for saith the Apostle All the Promises of God in him are yea and Amen that is they are throughly accomplish't and perfected in him and therefore they must needs be more plain and evident unto us now then they were unto the Fathers of old time the Old Testament then and the matter therein contained was not altogether so perspicuous unto the faithfull before Christ as now it is unto us after him and this shall suffice for the second point and so much also shall suffice briefely for the perspicuity of the Scriptures We shall now speake something concerning the perfection of them as the Scriptures are perspicuous so also they are most perfect that is necessary to be known of us in relation both to our faith manners this is plain from the end of them here set down Namely that the man of God may be made perfect throughly furnished unto all good workes from whence we may conclude that if the Minister of the Gospell for he is the man of God may out of the Scriptures furnish himselfe with all things necessary both for his Salvation his office it will follow that they are fully perfect for instruction of all men both in Doctrine and manners this will farther appeare from Ps 19. 7. The Law of the Lord is perfect converting the soule and Ps 119. 96. I have seen an end of all perfections but thy commandement is exceeding large and so Luk. 16. 29. Abraham there sheweth in the Parable that Moses and the Prophets were sufficient to keepe men from damnation even the doctrine of the Old Testament contains in it al things necessary for mans Salvation whoever denyeth the truth of this point must of necessity say that either first God did not perfectly and fully reveale his will to the Prophets and Apostles which how absurd it is the Scriptures teach for Joh. 14. 26. 't is said there that the spirit should teach them all things and Joh. 16. 13. the Spirit will guid you into all truth or else they must say that the Prophets and Apostles did not set down the full and perfect substance of what was revealed unto them which Saint Paul doth plainely seeem to contradict for Act. 20. 27. I have not shunned saith he to declare unto you all the counsell of God Or else thirdlly he must be forced to say that it seemed not good to the Spirit fully and perfectly to reveale the will of God and so in writing to transmit it unto posterity for thus the Papists say in defence of their traditions that God indeed did reveale to the Prophets and Apostles his whole will concerning our Salvation but yet all was not written but some things were communicated say they viva voce unto the rest of the Church which never were written but still were derived unto posterity but doth not this opinion plainely accuse the Scriptures of falsehood when it is said Deut. 12. 32. Whatsoever things I command you observe to do it thou shalt not adde thereto nor diminish from it Gal. 1. 9. If any man Preach any other Gospell unto you then that ye have received let him be accursed which two texts being compared with that of Exod. 24. 4. Where 't is said that Moses wrote all the words of the Lord and with that forementioned place of the Acts where Paul saith that he did not shun to declare unto them all the Counsell of God these places I say compared with one another do evidently shew that all things necessary for Salvation were written that this written word alone ought to be the rule canon of our faith for since by them we attaine unto Eternall Life we are made wise unto Salvation since by them also the man of God is made perfect and throughly furnished Without controversy they containe in them all things necessary to be knowne of us either in regard of our faith or manners all things necessary I say for otherwise many other things there might be traditionally conveyed unto the Church such as are the perpetuall virginity of Mary the names of Jannes and Jambres mentioned by Paul only the Prophesy of Enoch Jude 14. part of the Gencology of Christ Luk. 3 Sathan striving for Moses body Jude 9. and other the like which things they may be known or not known without any prejudice to our Salvation and being not doctrinall may very well be received from hand to hand and not mentioned in Scriptures but how say the Papists can ye know Canonicall bookes from Apocriphall but by the tradition of the Church We answer that these may be distinguish't from the other by that innate light majesty and truth that is in them besides though a new convert and beginner may first learne it from the Church yet afterwards they know it upon grounds of Scripture thus an ignorant man may be told of the Kings coine but it is not that telling but the Kings stampe that maketh it currant good coyn Again for the maintenance of their unwritten traditions they urge that of the 2 Thes 2. 15. Therefore brethren stand fast hold the traditions which ye have been taught whether by word or our Epistle then which saith Whitaker Nullum probabiliorem Papistae locum inveniunt but unto this we answer that they were the same things which Paul spoke and writ so that the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 doth not signify a diverse doctrine from that which afterwards was written and so also the particle 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is not alwayes a note of disjunction but sometimes also of conjunction as may appeare by comparing the Originall of the 1 Cor. 13. 8. Besides this it appeares that the Canon of the new Testament was not yet established Yea saith the same Whitaker I affirme that there was no book unlesse it were the Gospell of Mathew before the Epistles to the Thessalonians wherefore though the Apostle did bid the Thessalonians hold fast that Doctrine or those Traditions which he delivered unto them yet they might very well be indeed according to substance were set down in writing afterwards by the same Apostle wherefore briefely to conclude this point since these Scriptures are purposely written for our learning and to be are witnesse of Christ and to teach the way unto everlasting life doubtlesse God will have no Doctrine received of us but what is in them or consonant unto them Traditions then however in point of ceremony discipline or other lesse substantiall matters may be received yet in points of faith and Doctrine they are in no wise to be obtruded upon