Selected quad for the lemma: religion_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
religion_n	principle_n	prove_v	true_a	3,492	5	6.0076	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A47166	Quakerism no popery, or, A particular answere to that part of Iohn Menzeis, professor of divinity in Aberdeen, (as he is called) his book, intituled Roma mendax Wherein the people called Quakers are concerned, whom he doth accuse as holding many popish doctrins, and as if Quakerism, (so he nick-names our religion,) were but popery-disguised. In which treatise his alleadged grounds for this his assertion, are impartialy and fairly examined and confuted: and also his accusation of popery against us, justly retorted upon himself, and his bretheren. By George Keith.	Keith, George, 1639?-1716.	1675 (1675)	Wing K194; ESTC R213551	62,351	126

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in_o his_o brother_n r._n baxter_n his_o judgement_n be_v can_v avoid_v this_o censure_n yea_o may_v not_o calvin_n himself_o who_o some_o call_v the_o father_n of_o presbyterian_o be_v as_o much_o charge_v with_o enthusiasm_n as_o any_o papist_n see_v in_o his_o institution_n he_o affirm_v that_o in_o his_o time_n god_n raise_v up_o apostle_n or_o at_o least_o evangelist_n who_o he_o call_v extraordinary_a officer_n in_o the_o church_n that_o be_v needful_a to_o bring_v back_o the_o church_n again_o out_o of_o the_o apostasy_n and_o from_o those_o protestant_a apostle_n or_o evangelist_n he_o derive_v the_o ordinary_a mission_n of_o protestant_a preacher_n and_o go_v not_o back_o to_o the_o antichristian_a church_n and_o bishop_n of_o rome_n to_o derive_v the_o same_o as_o i._o m._n do_v in_o his_o roma_n mendax_fw-la and_o this_o forsooth_o lest_o he_o shall_v run_v upon_o

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