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A96888 A dialogue, arguing that arch-bishops, bishops, curates, neuters, are to be cut-off by the law of God; therefore all these, with their service, are to be castout by the law of the land. Notwithstanding, the world pleads for their own, why some bishops should be spared; the government maintained; the name had in honour still; but the word of God is cleare against all this, for the casting-of-all-forth. The great question is, which way of government now? For two wayes are contended for, The Presbyteriall and Independent: something is said to both these wayes: but we have a sure word for it, that these two wayes are but in shew two, and will assuredly meet in one. Neuters are shewen openly here, and the curse of God upon them. Presented to the Assembly of Divines. Woodward, Ezekias, 1590-1675. 1644 (1644) Wing W3486A; Thomason E34_10; ESTC R22862 54,646 56

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1. goeth downe into the valley so the LORD will have his people lead This way is as it is called a Church-way the way of Holinesse No Lion shall be there The uncleane shall not passe-over it And now that I have mentioned them the uncleane I come to the remainder of my undertakings The casting-out of the Bishops Curates those uncleane persons for like Bishops like Curates called so in a contrarietie to their office as a mountaine is called in a contrarietie to what it does It has its name from motion they say but moves like a mountaine So these Curates have their names as Bishops have theirs from cure and care and over-sight when they care for nothing nor did oversee any thing but their Rents Tythes and in comes and to make provision for their lusts Wee cannot thinke that Wren or Pearce these were called Bishops would endure their Curates should be better than themselves but as themselves as brutish men as drunken sotts as vile Priests as treacherous Prophets as loose and swinish in their life and then more then probable they will be Naballs at their death And what are the people now that their guides are blind and brutish They must needs be so too from the Prophets and Priests is prophanenesse gone forth into all the Land Jer. 23. 15. They have leavened the Land with Atheisme abominable Idolatries and Heathenish prophanenesses And now all yee beasts of the feild come Isa 56. 9. to devoure yea all yee beasts in the Forrest And so it is according to the good word of the LORD for His watchmen are blind they are all ignorant Ver. 10. they are all dumbe doggs they cannot barke sleeping lying downe lo●ing to slumber You see whom I meane by these Curates I argue now for the casting-of-them-forth They that have committed the same abominations which others It is argued for the casting-out of Curates Jer. 29. 2● having committed have been rosted in the fire and then made a curse These ought to be thrust-out of the Land by the Law of the Land But these Curates have committed such abominations Speake have you any thing to say for them A. Not a word I must not plead for them whom God condemnes You must make proofe That so they have don according to those abominations B. They have committed villanies in Israel adultery with their neighbours wives They have spoken lying words God knowes how many They have blasphemed God and the King they have polluted God and his Day and his House and all the honours and services there A. You have said you have not proved B. There is the clearest proofe of all this that can be desired A Century is come-out already where their names are upon everlasting Record and their horrible abominations registred That one Century a hundred implies nine Centuries more they make a Chiliad a thousand And certainly had wee the names of those and their abominations registred also who are under the Kings protection we should have a booke as large as that wee call the Centuries A. Now that their places their wickednesse rather have spewed-them-out whither are they gone B. To the place where such men shall finde favour to Oxford They have proceeded to the highest degrees of wickednesse in the countries they are Doctors in the Art of drinking whoring rioting now they gone to Oxford as we say to proceed Doctors of Divinity and thence dispersed to those severall places whence Gods faithfullest servants have been cast-out where they will drink the healths for they cannot pray of their good Lords and Masters and for the prosperity of their Armies now in Array against the Lord Jesus Christ for as those Armies prosper so the Curates shall prosper But now we heare they shall be all summoned to make their appearance at Oxford for as they have there a thing they call a Parliament made-up as aforesaid for the subverting the Lawes and Liberties of the Kingdome so there must bee an assembly of Divines too such as have been spued out of their places for the establishing of the religion so often protested for Ah Lord But I forbeare The poore commit themselves to the Lord Thou shalt preserve Psal 1● ● them from this generation for ever The wicked walke on every side when the vilest men are ex●lted These Curates as unsavoury salt are cast-out of the Church Now the Divell has admitted them into his Chappell Let him take their Service too For as like Bishops like Curates so like Curates like Service abominable all I argue for the casting of it forth This service is Dogs-meat it must be cast-out to the Dogs A. I could never think the Curates Service to be childrens meat but never heard I the Curates service called Dogs-meat before B. Yes you imply as much your selfe If not childrens meat then whose meat Dogs-meat I think But I argue it Torn flesh is Dogs-meat The Curates service is as Torne flesh A. Prove that if you can That the Curates service is as Torn flesh B. The Curates Service is a torn distracted service here is a peece there is a peece here is the former part and there is the latter here the first service there the second service here read at the Desk there said in the Pulpit thence drawn up to the Altar here are saying prayers there are tooting prayers upon the Cymball and the Organ here they roared like Beares there they braied like Asses and yet Divine service they say But hearken what the LORD sayes As torn flesh Dogges Exod. 22. 38. Mal. 1. 13 meat so is these Curates Service unto Me Doe you bring that which is torne to me Cast it to the Dogges It is done they have it at Oxford and all over the Land yea all over the Christian world where the Devill hath his Chappell and where these abominable Curates and Priests are Let them alone with their meat no man envies them no good man but pittieth them yet let them alone these Curates with their service together Now I must compleat my undertaking and argue against the Neuters A. I pray you explain your selfe and tell us what these are B. What they are They are Neuters a cursed generation of men seem not to know their right hand from their left not which way to Who are ●●uters turn I can liken them to nothing so fit as to a shadow of a man a picture such as you may observe ordinary in Flanders There is a thing they call a Christ on the left hand another thing they call the virgin Mary on the right hand and in the midst a third thing called a Catholick with this inscription before him Crime vortam nescio A. I le heare no more of that such a picture does not become your gravity nor is it proper to the matter in hand B. I like your plainnesse well I spake it but to try how you had profited by all our discourse hitherto True it is such
a picture gives us no instruction touching the subject in hand for which way soever the looker-on had turned death was on either hand But now take things as indeed they are not represented to us but indeed and in truth Here is the Living God the Lord Christ and his Truths on the right hand Here is the Devill his Pope and his Bishops with all their blasphemies on the other hand yet cui me vortam nescio the man is not yet resolved what hand to take he is a Neuter Secondly here is on the right hand a Parliament called together by the King himselfe acknowledged a Parliament confirmed and established a Parliament by his own hand On the left hand there are Assemblies of Robbers which they call a Parliament in Oxford made up of the refuse and garbage of the land and yet cui me vortam nescio to what hand he may turne he cannot tell This is a Neuter Thirdly here are on the right hand Nobles and Worthies who have approved themselves true Patriots zealous of Gods honour and faithfull to their King and Kingdome who can have no other end as is cleare to all the Christian world but the peace of the Church the honour and safety of the King and Kingdome no other end On the other hand are left-handed men robbers spoilers murtherers unjust men who know no shame who are as roaring Lions and devouring Wolves to the inhabitants all over the land yet cui me vortam nescio he knowes not to which side he should joyne he is a Neuter Fourthly Here are a generation of Seekers who seek God day night who have commanded us as Q. Ester her people Goe assemble your selues Est 4. 16. together fast and pray for us we also will doe likewise these are on the right hand On the left hand there is the Prince of Robbers Murthetherers they that curse and sweare and blaspheme all the day long yet cui me vortam nescio to what hand to turn hee knowes not Hee is a Neuter To speak yet more plainly and according to the expresse word of God They are Neuters who come not out to help the Lord against the mighty mighty Nimrods mighty hunters before the LORD men skilfull to destroy the Faith Religion Lawes Liberties of the Kingdome mighty hunters before the Lord yet these will not come forth to help the Lord at such a time as this no though the Lord calls to them now Who will rise up for me against the evill doers Or who will stand up for me Psa 94. 16 against the workers of iniquity These will not these are Neuters A. Possibly nay probably these may not know that things are as they are things are represented to them otherwise as they have heard it declared and protested more than seven times They may not know B. What may they not know They doe know that Ireland is destroyed They doe know that this viperous generation is eating-out the heart and bowels of the Kingdome They doe know that the Faith Religion Lawes and Liberties of the Kingdome are destroyed under a colour and semblance of maintaining the same They doe know c. But I will tell you a story first That notable murtherer who stab'd K. Henry the 4th of France was examined whether hee did not make known his purpose to his Ghostly Father his Confessor Hee answered Yes His Confessor a Jesuit was examined at that point he answered he did not know that is to tell them but very likely said he the intention was made known unto me under the Rose and I have a gift of the spirit presently to forget what is told me under the seale of Confession My Author is not at hand nor doe I remember how they dealt with him but certainly they took a ready way to quicken his memory before hee was cut asunder so it must be here These men pretend they know not this and they know not that They will not know or they will not know to tell us But they dissemble in all that they say They doe know that the Kings foot stands up to the knees in blood in the path of the destroyer They doe know that he has cast forth all the pretious Ministers of Justice and Ministers of the Gospel where his hand could reach and thrust in the vile into their places They doe know what the Queen has done beyond the seas what Digby with her favourites her Agents and factors for Babylon what these have done there and what they are doing here They doe know what is in designe how bloody the adversaries intentions are and that they have slain the servants of the Lord with a rage that reacheth up to hea●en so high must their judgement reach This they doe know They doe know that the King has made peace with his worst enemies is at warres with and bids defiance to his best friends They doe know That the King is plucking down his own house That he has thrust away the great supporters of his Throne Iudgement and Iustice They do know what the King has protested proclaimed declared to all the world And they doe know what his Commissions have been how bloody how destructive They doe know how that Bristoll is given into the enemies hands and they doe heare that the Queen shall have a Chappell there They doe heare the groanes of the prisoners and the cries of the poore because of their Taskmasters for their oppression is more grievous than is or ever was the Turkish or Egyptian slavery They doe know which way the Devill and all his ministers doe draw now and yet they withdraw themselves as men that know not which way to turn They are Neuters Hang them cut them asunder It is the sentence from the law of Nature of Nations of Armes It is the sentence from the law of God too 1. It is against the law of Nature that they who are without naturall affection should enjoy the common gifts of nature light water fire Against the law of Nations and Arms that those subjects should enjoy the priviledges and communities of subjects who see with open face the adversary and enemy destroying all these and hold their hands in their pockets the while Against the law of GOD that they who see the Lawes Rights Liberties of his kingdome trampled upon by swine and yet stand Neuters that they should not feel the sharpest punishment I will argue these things in order They that are the same and have done the same which he did and for It is argued for the casting-out of Neuters doing so was plucked a sunder with two Teemes of Horses four Horses in a Teeme do deserve to be cast out of the land by the law of the land But these Neuters are the same as he was and do the same as he did for which he was so punished Therefore c. 2. To relate to a more known story They that are the same and have done the same and for