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A83501 Reasons against the independant government of particular congregations: as also against the toleration of such churches to be erected in this kingdome. Together with an answer to such reasons as are commonly alledged for such a toleration. Presented in all humility to the Honourable House of Commons, now assembled in Parliament. By Tho. Edvvards, minister of the Gospel. Edwards, Thomas, 1599-1647.; England and Wales. Parliament. 1641 (1641) Wing E233; Thomason E167_16; ESTC R21753 47,020 78

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