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A55712	The present state of Christendom consider'd in nine dialogues between I. The present Pope Alexander the VIII. and Lewis the XIV. II. The great Duke of Tuscany, and the Duke of Savoy. III. King James the Second, and the Marescal de la Feuillade. IV. The Duke of Lorrain, and the Duke of Schomberg. V. The Duke of Lorrain, and the Elector Palatine. VI. Louis the XIV. and the Marquis de Louvois. VII. The Advoyer of Berne, and the Chief Syndic of Geneva. VIII. Cardinal Ottoboni, and the Duke de Chaulnes. IX. The young Prince Abafti, and Count Teckely. Done out of French.	Alexander VIII, Pope, 1610-1691.; Louis XIV, King of France, 1638-1715.	1691 (1691)	Wing P3259A; ESTC R203184	56,532	108

when the Prince of Orange was in your Kingdom that you imprinted that Passion in the heart of all your Subjects If you had taken the pains to have commanded in Person at the Siege of London-Derry that place had certainly been carried by Assault and your Enemies had not found it so easie a matter to land in Ireland If instead of beholding the Battel at a distance you had hazarded your Person at the Passage of the Boine as well as your Adversary did his 't is ten to one but you had rendred the Success of that Battel doubtful In a word Sir give me leave to tell you a Kingdom deserves to have one hazard something for its sake and I can assure you that if you keep at that distance from Blows as you have hitherto done you are like to continue a dispossest King though you live as long as a Patriarch Our Monarch does very well to employ all his Efforts to re-establish you but all his Endeavours will be to no purpose if you push them on no better than you have hitherto done nay your own Subjects who are faithfully devoted to your Service will infallibly forbear to appear any more in your quarrel James II. It were no hard matter to answer all your Reproaches if I would but give my self the trouble to do it But I find all my Reasons will be incapable of perswading you The unfortunate always meet with this Entertainment and the World is more accustomed to judge of Enterprizes by their Success then by the Reasons a man had to undertake them I shall content my self to make only one Reflexion which comes first into my Head and that I believe will serve to justifie me I am sensible I have all manner of Obligations to his most Christian Majesty because he is the only Person who has assisted me at the same time when all the other Catholick Princes of Europe diverted themselves at the expence of my Misfortunes and the Pope himself who was in Honour bound to espouse my quarrel could not endure to hear any thing offered on my behalf Nevertheless I think I have reason to complain a little of the choice which was made of the Count de Lauzun to Command the Troops which were sent over to me 'T is to him possibly that I may owe the Miscarriage of the War in Ireland through the Mistakes which were committed by him Not that he has any want of Courage which I own he has signalized upon several Occasions but I charge them with want of Experience To give him his due he 's a very good Souldier but a bad General La Feuillade Nay never disquiet your self for that matter for Losers are never permitted to be Choosers you were obliged to take him who was offer'd to you Now all our French Generals had conceived such an invincible Prejudice to your Person ever since your retreat out of England that not a man of them would go to serve under your Orders for fear of hazarding his Reputation James II. I must needs own my self then to be a very unhappy man But cannot your mighty King cause himself to be obeyed if he pleases or is there any of his Generals that dare refuse him if he orders them to cross the Sea La Feuillade Not a man Sir But the King is of so good a disposition that he only will be obeyed freely and without constraint and never gives a Command to any Person until he knows before hand that it will be agreeable to him who ought to accept it James II. Is it possible then that among so many celebrated Generals which the King has in his Service there should not be found so much as one who had Generosity enough and Affection for the Catholick Religion to come and Command the Army of a Prince who had rendred himself unfortunate only by the immoderate Zeal which he had for the Church La Feuillade No I believe there 's not a man would do it And as for my self who am talking to you now for all I am Discarded and without Employment I would rather choose to pass away my time idely in Paris than go hazard my Reputation by Commanding under your Orders James II. Heaven be prais'd you have not much to hazard for I must tell you with the same freedom as you have talked to me all this while that this Reputation for which you pretend to be so much concern'd is not so well established in the World as to deserve all this Trouble and Caution La Feuillade 'T is not such as you Sir that have the disposal of my Reputation Strangers are not usually acquainted with what passes in our Kingdom and therefore I am not in the least surprized to see that you are not informed of my Character and who I am James II. That would but be so much the worse for you since I who am but a Stranger here and not over well instructed in the Affairs of France yet know very well how little you are esteem'd here and what an inconsiderable Figure you make Come come to let you see I am not so unacquainted with your Person as you may believe The only Action for which you have made your self known to the World was your erecting a Statue to the King yonder in the place des Victoires La Feuillade That Action without dispute was one of the prettiest noblest most ingenious things I ever did in my life I was always of Opinion that the principal Duty of a Subject is to advance as far as in him lies the Glory of his Soveraign James II. I agree with you in that point But then a man ought at the very same time to endeavour to advance his own for when nothing else comes of such an Undertaking but Scandal and Shame 't is not so much for the Subject's advantage Now you cannot possibly be ignorant to what abundance of Railery this false Step has exposed you and you have certainly read those two Gascon Verses that were one night affixed in your Honour very near the King's Statue What does d' Auvusson mean in a Blanket to toss us ' Cause he has rais'd to the King such a mighty Colossus You have likewse seen without question that Hexastick which was composed in praise of you upon occasion of the same Statue While other Commanders in Battel and War To gather fresh Wreaths for our Monarch prepare While they purchase him Fame at th' expence of their blood To bleed in the Pocket Feuillade thinks it good One Statue he thinks of his own wise erection Will atone for his sins and be still his protection La Feuillade Upon my word Sir I did not believe you had known so many particulars that concern my Story and it may be I had not discoursed to you with so much freedom had I thought you had been acquainted with these matters was it not Lauzun I pray who inform'd you of all these pretty passages It must certainly be so but I mightily

farthing Alexand. What you say is very true but it concludes nothing to my prejudice If I say the Monks desire Bulls 't is not that they are glad for the satisfaction which the Bishops receives in that point A man could not be said to know them who had such an Opinion of them I must tell you that you cannot despise my Bulls and openly testifie your dislike without contemning my Authority and this is that which the Monks would oppose to the utmost of their power Now as you know they are Masters of the People and so long as they shall tell the People that there is nothing to be done without my Lead and my Parchment it would be a Point too delicate to be removed out of their Minds Lewis I understand you There is something in it indeed Bat this is not the most considerable thing So that if there were nothing more I would be your Bondslave if e're my Ministers should have Orders to press so hard upon this Article Alexand. Pray Sir explain your meaning to me under a Promise not to take any Advantage of it but after I depart from hence to go and drink two or three good Draughts of Lethe water to make me forget all that we shall say together Lewis I am resolved upon a perfect Reconciliation with you for fear my Enemies should take Advantage of our Quarrels and inveagle you to take their part and therefore 't is necessary for some time to put an end to this business of Bulls After I have well fastened you to my Interests it will be no difficult thing for me to oblige the Venetian to a particular Peace with the Turk either by making them sensible of their real Interests or by your credit in the Senate Moreover to incline them more powerfully thereto I can prevail with the Grand Master of Maltha who is my Creature to call home his Galleys which are in the Venetian Service under pretence that he has occasion for them to defend himself against the Turk who has a design'd revenge upon him for all the Losses he has received in the Morea Alexand. Is that all Lewis I am also in further hopes that having made a League with you you will remit no more Money to Vienna nor to Poland to carry on the War against the Turk and that you will no longer give the King of Spain leave to levy Subsidies upon the Ecclesiasticks of his Kingdom And I desire that you by your Emissaries will make all the Catholick Princes of Christendom sensible That this is a War for Religion and that if they will not unite with me against the Hereticks yet they might so order their Business that while they make a semblance of continuing the War against me they may throw all the Burden upon the Protestants Shoulders By this means they will insensibly be undermined and when they shall be at a Bay 't will be no difficult thing to ruine them quite Alexand. This is most excellently contrived but I do not find that this will be altogether for my profit as good a Catholick as you are For I have no less reason to be afraid of you then of the most formidable among the Hereticks and I know your Humour so well that I am no less jealous of your Authority then of the Power of William the Third Lewis To tell you my mind plainly I have no less a design to bring down your Grandeur then that of others And though I make less noise than Philip the Fourth one of my Predecessors yet my Intentions are as bad as his 'T is without contradiction that if I prosper your turn will come nor will I suffer St. Peter's Successor to continue that Authority which he has so long usurp'd over all the Potentates of Europe But alas I fear 't will never be in my power to execute these Illustrious Designs I grow old Death will surprize me Face of Affairs will Change and perhaps one Night will overturn the Structure which I have been rearing these fifty years However I shall leave good Directions with my Successor if he know how to follow them Alexand. I wish that all your Designs may prove Abortive for my own Repose and the Good of the Holy Church But what do you intend to do with the Duke of Savoy Soft and fair Sir Do you believe that all other Princes of Italy as well as my self will ever suffer you to despoil him of his Territories Do you think we do not visibly perceive it that if we let you go on and prosper you will not stop in so fair a way but that after you have swallowed the Duke of Savoy you will also endeavour to devour the Dukes of Mantua Modena and Tuscany and so all the rest Lewis And would you think me too blame in so doing Alexand. Perhaps not so much But let it be as it will no more shall we be to blame neither if we oppose your Projects Lewis You would do much more prudently to go halves with me You take one end of Italy and I the other All your Predecessors have had an aking Tooth for the Kingdom of Naples and mine of the Dutchy of Millain two Kingdoms that lye incomparably much better for Us than for the King of Spain Do you begin at one end and I 'le begin at the other and let us never stop till we meet in the middle Alexand. Find out some other Merchant Lewis of Bourbon find out some other Merchant I have but two days to live and you would have me undertake a War to ruin my self and when I am gone what will it signifie to me whether the Kingdom of Naples be joyned to St. Peter's Patrimony or no Shall my Nephews or I be a whit the farter for it Is it not better for me to get them a good Settlement in the World And are not they dearer to me then St. Peter's Chair Lewis And what shall hinder you then from giving the Kingdom of Naples to your Nephew Ottoboni after you have once made your self Master of it There 's never a Prince in Italy I dare answer for them that would not have more satisfaction to see that Kingdom in the Hands of a Person whom they have no reason to dread then in the Hands of the King of Spain who they know has for a long while designed to bring the two Ends of Italy together which he now possesses by making himself Master of the middle Besides I would have you consider how easie a thing it is to put this Project in Execution As for my self I will take care to employ my Brother of Spain in Catalonia and Flanders and if he sends Six thousand men to defend that which he possesses in Italy 't is as much as he will be able to do To be short I here promise you that as soon as I have on my side dispatched the Business which I intend to perform with all the Expedition imaginable I will assist you with

still to murmur upon that Occasion why then if you would have been ruled by me you should have dropt the Royal Infant and utterly disowned him For a Person of your Experience need not be told that you could never fail of having such a Prince of Wales as that was at any time James II. Ha! what is this you have said One would conclude from your words that you doubt whether the Prince of Wales is my own proper Son or no La Feuillade To confess the truth I make a question of it and I think not without reason on my side All the Mysteries of his Birth are evident Proofs of his being an Imposture and I wonder in my heart how such mighty Politicians as you had about you could be guilty of such unpardonable Solecisms in the management of that Affair James II. The little precaution that was used in the case is in my Opinion an undeniable Argument for the truth of his Birth for if a man had designed to palm an Infant upon the World 't is to be supposed he would have been better precaution'd La Feuillade That Argument would not be amiss if you had not known before hand that most of the People doubted of your Queens being with Child But since you are well enough acquainted with the disposition of your Subjects if there had been no juggle in the case you ought to have used all imaginable care to have cured them of their Jealousie especially in a Business of this great Importance This Conduct was observed by the Emperour Henry the Sixth upon a like Occasion and all Princes who have any regard to their Interests ought to follow it The Empress Constance the Wife of Henry the Sixth who was Surnamed the Severe became big with Child when she was about fifty years old The Emperour to remove that Suspicion which might probably have been entertained and withal to satisfie the World that he designed to put no Imposture upon them ordered her lying in to be in the open Field under the Tents near Palerme and this in the presence of all the People The Empress in the midst of so Jovial an Assembly on the Twenty sixth of Decemb. in the Year 1196. was delivered of a Prince whose Name was Frederick who was afterwards elected Emperour You were not ignorant of this remarkable Story You could not but be sensible of the Suspicions of your own People and therefore you ought to have observed the very same Conduct if you had not suffered your self to be ingaged in a Cheat. But latebat anguit in herbâ James II. I know all you have told me and was very well informed of the Suspicions of my People but however I was not willing to follow the Example of Henry the Sixth But my Design was to chalk out a way to Glory which was altogether new and surprizing Although the Prince of Wales was my own Son yet I would not condescend to remove those Suspicions which my Subjects had entertained about him because relying upon my own power I pleased my self with the imagination that all the World believed I had Credit and Authority enough over my Subjects to give them a Successor such as I pleased and they not dare to disbelieve or mutter against it Perhaps I had not taken up these Measures if they had not been possessed with this unmannerly Suspicion And now you have the true cause of all the Mystery as you call it which appear'd at that Birth La Feuillade If what you say be true I can only conclude you are an unfortunate Person for I dare swear no body will believe you as to this point Few Persons I am sure would hazard the wearing of a Crown after this manner and we have all the reason in the World to entertain but a very ordinary Opinion of your Prudence if you made no better use of it 'T is certain that this reason was invented after the business was over and for my own part I should be loth to dive any further into this Secret since I find you are not willing to make a Confident of me As I am a Subject of the most Christian King and your most humble Servant and so forth I am willing to believe that the Prince of Wales is your Son But as I am a rational Creature I hope you 'l allow me the liberty to think as I please for to deal freely with you I cannot possibly bring my self over to believe a Syllable of this matter without passing at the same time the severest Judgment in the World of your Discretion James II. Why then believe as you please for it shall never trouble me But since your hand is in at giving Advice I would willingly know what you would advise me to do at present La Feuillade In troth Sir you put me now to a very difficult point Your Affairs are too disordered and perplexed that in my Opinion the most refined Politicians upon Earth are not able to find out a Remedy for them James II. They are not so much disorder'd as you imagine or if they were it is not a Sin to doubt of the Puissence of your King Don't you know that nothing is impossible for him to do And that my Cause lying in his Hands cannot fail of Success first or last La Feuillade Pray Sir did you ever read Moluri in your life James II. Yes I have read him But what relation has that to our present Subject La Feuillade Methinks now one finds two Characters in that Poet that represent the King of France and James the Second to the life One of them always take true Measures the other never fails by his imprudence to ruine all the Designs that were contrived in favour of him And now 't is no difficult matter to make an Application James II. The Application is very pretty and worthy of the Duke de la Feuillade That is to say in plain English the King of France is the prudent Mascarille and I the dull Lelie the Sir Martin Mar-all La Feuillade We find the very same Characters amongst all Conditions and if we charge the Names of the Persons in Moliere the rest will not unsuitably agree to your self James II. In what particulars do you find that I have ruined the Designs which his most Christian Majesty has set on foot either to maintain me in my Throne or help me to re-ascend it since my Abdication Le Feuillade Not to descend to particulars in every thing The great confidence you placed in your never to be forgotten Army made ●ou refuse those Troops which the King of France would have sent over into England to your Assistance a little before the Prince of Orange landed with his Army 'T was contrary to his Advice that you were prevailed upon to revoke whatever you had done in favour of the Catholick Religion and by that means gave your Enemies an occasion to discover your Weakness You discovered such publick Testimonies of your fear

admire at the goodness of your memory Surely you must have a great deal of leisure time in Ireland to learn all these foolish Stories there Well well whatever Calumnies we have given the World occasion to asperse us with yet I think we have no reason to fall a reproaching one another I am a Mareschal of France without Reputation and you are a King of England without a Crown Now pray tell me who is the most unfortunate of us two DIALOGUE IV. The Duke of Lorrain and the Duke of Schomberg Lorrain HA Am I not deceived Is it you that I behold and is the King of France so happy as to lose in so short a time two of his most considerable Enemies Schomberg You are not mistaken I am the very same To acquaint you then with somewhat of my History you must understand that I commanded the King of England's Army till such time as he came to head them himself I was at the joyning of the two Armies I was engaged in the fight I assisted to set every thing in the most advantageous posture when out of a fear to ravish any part of the Glory out of that Monarch's hands to whom it is intirely due I quitted my Post to come to the Shades below and particularly to inform you for your comfort that King William III. is still alive who alone is in a Capacity to reduce the common Enemy that has hitherto disturbed the Peace of all Europe and whose restless Ambition has thrown him on no less a Design then making all the World wear his Fetters Lorrain I agree with you in all the Elogies which you bestow upon so great a Prince 'T is the greatest satisfaction imaginable for me to understand that he is still alive but for all that I cannot forbear the testifying my Resentment upon the occasion of your Death Without pretending to diminish the least part of his Glory I dare presume to say that you were no inconsiderable help to him and I am very well perswaded that he is not altogether insensible of your loss Schomberg 'T is indeed very true that several of the Dead who arrived here after me have assured me that he was pleased to honour me with a few Tears but I am willing to attribute them rather to the kindness he had for me than to the loss he has sustained by my Death Lorrain I perceive you are but newly arrived to these Quarters because you still retain some of the Customs of the other World I ought therefore to inform you that here below we are altogether insensible to the praises which are given us and that as we never receive any Elogies but what are real and due so they that receive them don't make it a matter of Ceremony to put them off or disown them This method you are to use with me and all the illustrious Dead with whom you are to converse hereafter Schomberg I am willing to submit to this Law since it was not designed for me alone but as you tell me obliges all of us equally Pursuant to this Order you ought to assure me that although our Deaths is very advantageous to the King of France since it has delivered him from two Enemies that were not to be despised yet it ought to be confess'd that the Advantage is equal Lorrain I don't altogether assent to what you have said You had without comparison more Experience than my self and whatsoever Advance I made in the management of the late War yet I must own that I had the glory to go to your School and there to be acquainted with abundance of things that were unknown to me before Lorrain 'T is true I had somewhat more Experience then you but you were in the flower of your Age your years did not hinder you from the pursuit of Action and you were still learning more and more every day On the other hand it was high time for me to consider of a Retreat and the weaknesses of my Age would not permit me to execute all those Designs which I had formed before Lorrain I don't know which of us two hated France the most As for my self I must own that as I believed I had all the just Occasions in the World to hate her so I never failed to show it as Opportunity served Schomberg 'T is no wonder that your Aversion to her was so great since you suck'd it in with your Milk If you 'l pardon the Expression and received it by way of Inheritance from your Ancestors Besides she barbarously despoiled you of your Paternal Inheritance and that was too gross and insupportable an Injury to be ever forgotten But now to come to my own Case none of my Family had the least Reason to complain of the most Christian King and till the last Persecution I had all manner of Obligations to thank Lewis the Fourteenth If I served him faithfully and honestly he took care to recompence all my Services My Religion at last compelled him to enjoyn my Retirement and I presently obeyed him Notwithstanding all this I have entertained no particular hatred for the Person of the King for which I shall ever preserve a great esteem and respect As I was left at liberty to dispose of my self so I believed it was lawful for me to engage in another Service The King put me out of a Capacity of serving him any longer but though this Conduct appear'd somewhat rude and severe yet it never prevailed upon me so far as to extinguish the memory of all my former Obligations I was very glad that the late Conjuncture did not carry me to make War directly against him and if I had been obliged to have done it by the duty of my Charge I had done it I confess but not without some little regret and some particular concern Lorrain Behold a generous temper of mind and which is to be parallel'd but by very few Examples in the World However give me leave to use the freedom with you as to tell you that there was a particular Circumstance in your Case which may abundantly justifie your Aversion The King of France never obliged me in all his life and never received any manner of Service from me so I never expected any kind usage at his hands But as for your self you have all the reason in the World to imagine that since you had done so much for him he would never repay you with so black an Ingratitude You have declared that you were not influenced by any Passion of hatred on the other hand I freely own that it mingled it self in all my Actions and therefore upon that Consideration I will agree with you that the King of France had a more formidable Enemy in me than in your self And yet at the same time I can never prevail with my self to own that my Death was more advantageous to him than yours Since his Majesty of Great Britain set himself at the head of his own Troops he knew