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A37777 The declaration or remonstrance of the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled with divers depositions and letters thereunto annexed.; Remonstrance of the state of the kingdome, agreed on by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, May 19, 1642 England and Wales. Parliament.; Astley, Jacob Astley, Baron, 1579-1652.; Ballard, Thomas, Lieutenant Colonel to the Lord Grandison.; Chudleigh, James, d. 1643.; Conyers, John, Sir.; Goring, George Goring, Baron, 1608-1657.; Hunks, Fulk, Sir.; Lanyon, John.; Legge,William, 1609?-1670.; O'Connolly, Owen.; Percy, Henry, Baron Percy of Alnwick, d. 1659.; Vavasour, William, Sir, d. 1659. 1642 (1642) Wing E1517; ESTC R3809 41,214 58

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from the Parliament and to make them serviceable to the ends and aimes of those who would destroy them Therefore wee desire the Kingdome to take notice of this last most desperate and mischievous Plott of the malignant partie that is acted and prosecuted in many parts of the Kingdom under plausible Notions of stirring them up to a care of preserving the Kings Prerogative maintaining the Discipline of the Church upholding and continuing the reverence and solemnitie of Gods Service incouraging of Learning And upon these grounds divers mutinous Petitions have been framed in London Kent and other Counties and sundry of his Majesties Subjects have been sollicited to declare themselves for the King against the Parliament and many false and foule aspersions have been cast upon our proceedings as if wee had been not onely negligent but averse in these points whereas wee desire nothing more then to maintaine the puritie and power of Religion and to Honour the King in all His just Prerogatives and for encouragement and advancement of pietie and learning wee have very earnestly endeavoured and still doe to the uttermost of our Power that all Parishes may have learned pious and sufficient Preachers and all such Preachers competent Livings Many other Bills and Propositions are in preparation for the Kings Profit and Honour the peoples safetie and prosperitie In the proceedings whereof wee are much hindred by His Majesties absence from the Parliament which is altogether contrary to the use of his Predecessors and the Priviledges of Parliament whereby ou● time is consumed by a multitude of unnecessary Messages and our innocency wounded by causelesse and sharpe invectives Yet wee doubt not but wee shall overcome all this at last if the people suffer not themselves to be deluded with false and specious shewes and so drawne to betray us to their owne undoing who have ever been willing to hazard the undoing of our selves that they might not be betraid by our neglect of the trust reposed in us but if it were possible they should prevaile herein yet wee would not fai●e through Gods grace still to persist in our duties and to looke beyond our owne lives estates and advantages as those who thinke nothing worth the enjoying without the libertie peace and safetie of the Kingdom not any thing too good to be hazarded in discharge of our Consciences for the obtaining of it And shall alwayes repose our selves upon the Protection of Almightie God which wee are confident shall never be wanting to us while wee seeke his glory as wee have found it hitherto wonderfully going along with us in all our proceedings IT is his Majesties pleasure that you forthwith Print in very good Paper and send unto me for his Majesties Service fortie Copies of the Proclamation inclosed leaving a convenient space for his Majestie to signe above and to affix the Privie Signet underneath And his Majesties expresse Command is that you Print not above the said number of fortie Copies and forbeare to make any further publication of them till his pleasure be further signified for which this shall be your Warrant Whitehall 2. Ianuary 1641. Edw. Nicholas For His Majesties Printer The Examination of Colonell Goring taken June 19. 1641. HE saith That in Lent last as he remembers about the middle of it Sir John Suckling came to him on Sonday morning as he was in his bed And this Examinate conceiving he had come to him about some businesse of money that was between them and thereupon falling upon that discourse Sir John Suckling told him he was then come about another businesse which was to acquaint him That there was a purpose of bringing the Army to London And that my Lord of New-castle was to be Generall and he this Examinate Lievtenant Generall if he would accept of it And further said That he should hear more of this businesse at Court to which this Examinate answered only this Well then I will go to the Court which was all that passed between them at that time to the best of this Examinates remembrance To the second He cannot depose To the third He saith That as he was coming in his Coach in the street out of the Covent-Garden into St Martins Lane he met there Mr Henry Jermyn who was likewise in a Coach and seeing this Examinate sent his Foot-man to him desiring him to follow him because he would speak with him which this Examinate did And Mr Jermyn going a little further alighted and went into a house to which house as this examinate was but yesterday in formed Sir John Suckling did then usually resort and thither this Examinate followed him and coming after him to the top of the Seayr●s Mr Jermyn said to him He had somewhat to say to him concerning the Army but that this was no fit place to speak of it and desired him to meet him that evening at the Court on the Queens side which this Examinate accordingly did and meeting Mr Jermyn in the Queens drawing Chamber he was there told by him That the Queen would speak with him and thereupon Mr Jermyn brought him into the Queens Bed-chamber But before this Examinate could enter into any discourse with the Queen the King came in and then this Examinate did withdraw and went away for that time but returned again the same night and met Mr Jermyn again on the Queens side who told him that he must necessarily meet with some Officers of the Army to hear some Propositions concerning the Army The next day being Monday this Examinate came again to the Court in the after-noon and went into the Queens drawing-Chamber ●here Her Majesty then was who was pleased to tell him that the King would speak with him and bade him repair to the room within the Gallery into which Room the King soon after came and His Majesty asked him if he was engaged in any Cabale concerning the Army to which he answered That he was not whereupon His Majesty replyed I command you then to joyn your self with Peircy and some others whom you will finde with him And His Majesty likewise said I have a desire to put my Army into a good posture and am advised unto it by my Lord of Bristoll which was the effect of what passed between the King and this Examinate at that time This Examinate meeting afterwards with Mr Jermyn Mr Jermyn told him that they were to meet that evening at nine of the Clock with Mr Peircy and some others at Mr Peircyes Chamber and accordingly Mr Jermyn and he went thither together and there found Mr Peircy himself Mr Wilmot Mr Ashburnham Mr Pollard Mr Oneal and Sir John Bartley Mr Peircy then in the first place tendered an Oath to this Examinate and Mr Jermyn the rest saying they had taken that Oath already this Oath was prepared in writing and was to this effect That they should neither directly nor indirectly disclose any thing of that which should be then said unto them nor think themselves
That in the word of a King and as he was a Gentleman he would redresse the grievances of his People aswell out of Parliament as in it were the searching the Studies and Chambers yea the Pockets of some both of the Nobility and Commons the very next day The Commitment of Master Bellasis Sir John Hotham and Master Crew the continued oppressions by Ship money Coat and Conduct money with the manifold imprisonments and other vexations thereupon and other ensuing violations of the Lawes and Liberties of the Kingdome all which were the effects of evill counsell and aboundantly declared in our generall Remonstrance of the State of the Kingdome actions of love and Justice suitable to such words as those As gracious was his Majesties Speech in the beginning of this Parliament That he was resolved to put himselfe freely and cleerly upon the Love and affection of his English Subjects whether his causelesse complaints and Jealousie the unjust imputations so often cast upon his Parliament his deniall of their necessary defence by the Ordinance of the Militia his dangerous absenting himselfe from his great councell like to produce such a mischievous division in the Kingdome have not beene more sutable to other mens evill counsells then to his owne words will easily appeare to any indifferent Judgement Neither have his latter speeches beene better used and preserved by these evill and wicked counsellors could any words be fuller of Love and Justice then those in his answer to the Message sent to the House of Commons the 31th of December 1641. We doe engage unto you solemnly the word of a King that the security of all and every one of you from violence is and ever shall be as much our care as the preservation of Us and our children and could any actions be fuller of injustice and violence then that of the Attorney generall in falsely accusing the six Members of Parliament and the other proceedings thereupon within three or fower dayes after that Message for the full view whereof let the declaration made of those proceedings be perused and by those instances we could ad many more Let the world Judge who deserves to be taxed with disvalewing his Majesties Words they who have as much as in them lies staynd and sullied them with such fowle counsells or the Parliament who have ever manifested with joy and delight their humble thankfulnesse for those gracious words and actions of love and Justice which have been conformable thereunto The King is pleased to disavow the having any such evill Counsell or Counsellors as are mentioned in our Declaration to his knowledge and we hold it our duty humbly to avow there are such or else we must say that all the ill things done of late in his Majesties name have beene done by himselfe wherein we should neither follow the direction of the Law nor the affection of our owne hearts which is as much as may be to cleere his Majestie from all imputation of misgovernment and to lay the fault upon his Ministers the false accusing of six members of Parliament the Justifying Mr. Atturney in that false accusation the violent comming to the house of Commons the deniall of the Militia the sharpe Messages to both houses contrary to the Customes of former Kings the long and remote absence of his Majestie from Parliament the heavy and wrongfull taxes upon both houses the Cherishing and countenancing a discontented party in the Kingdome against them these certainly are the fruits of very ill Counsell apt to put the kingdome into a Combustion to hinder the supplies of Ireland and to countenance the proceedings and pretententions of the Rebells there and the Authors of these evill Counsells we conceive must needs be knowne to his Majesty and we hope our labouring with his Majesty to have these discovered and brought to a just censure will not so much wound his honour in the opinion of his good Subjects as his labouring to preserve and conceale them And whereas his Majestie saith he could wish that his owne immediate Actions which he avowes on his owne honour might not bee so roughly censured under that Common style of evill Counsellors Wee could also heartily wish that we had not cause to make that stile so Common but how often and undutifully soever these wicked Counsellors fix their dishonour upon the King by making his Majesty the Authour of those evill actions which are the effects of their owne evill Counsells We his Majesties Loyall and dutifull subjects can use no other stile according to that Maxime in the Law the King can doe no wrong but if any ill be committed in matter of state the Councell if in matters of Iustice the Judges must answer for it We lay no charge upon his Majestie which should put him upon that apologie concerning his faithfull and zealous affection of the protestant profession Neither doth his Majestie endeavour to cleere those in greatest authority about him by whom wee say that designe hath been potently carried on for divers yeares and we rather wish that the mercies of heaven then the Judgements may be manifested upon them but that there have beene such there are so plentifull and frequent evidences that we beleeve there is none either protestant or Papist who hath had any reasonable view of the passages of latter times but either in feare or hope did expect a suddaine issue of this designe We have no way transgressed against the Act of Oblivion by Remembring the intended warre against Scotland as a Branch of that designe to alter religion by those wicked Councells from which God did then deliver us which we ought never to forget That the Rebellion in Ireland was framed and cherisht by the Popish and Malignant party in England is not only affirmed by the Rebells but may be cleered by many other proofes The same Rebellious principles of pretended Religion the same politique ends are apparant in both and their malitious designes and practices are maskt and disguised with the same false colour of their earnest zeale to vindicate his Majesties prerogative from the supposed oppression of the Parliament how much these treacherous pretences have beene countenanced by some evill Counsell about his Majestie may appeare in this that the Proclamation whereby they were declared traytors was so long withheld as to the second of Ianuary though the Rebellion broake forth in October before and then no more but forty Coppies appointed to be printed with a speciall command from his Majestie not to exceed that number and that none of them should be published till his Majesties pleasure were further signified as by the warrant appeares a true Coppie whereof is hereunto added So that a few only could take notice of it which was made more observeable by the late contrary proceedings against the Scots who were in a very quick and sharpe manner proclaimed and those proclamations forthwith dispersed with as much diligence as might bee thorow all the Kingdome and ordered to bee read
preservation of the Kingdome much lesse a Licence to evill Counsellors to advise any thing though never so destructive to his Majesty and his people By the Message of the twentieth of Ianuary his Majesty did propound to both Houses of Parliament that they would with all speed fall into a serious consideration of all those particulars which they thoght necessary as well for the upholding and maintaining his Majesties just and Regall authority and for the setling his Revenue as for the present and future establishing our Priviledges the free and quiet enjoying our estates the Liberties of our Persons the security of the true Religion professed in the Church of England and the setling of Ceremonies in such a manner as may take away all just offence and to dig●st it into one entire body To that point of upholding and maintaining his Royall authority We say nothing hath been done to the prejudice of it that should require any new provision To the other of setling the revenue the Parliament hath no way abridged or disordered his just revenue but it is true that much wast and confusion of his Majesties estate hath beene made by those evill and unfaithfull Ministers whom he hath imployed in the managing of it whereby his owne ordinary expences would have beene disappointed and the safety of the Kingdome more endangered if the Parliament had not in some measure provided for his Household and for some of the Forts more then they were bound to doe and they are still willing to settle such a revenue upon his Majestie as may make him live Royally plentifully and safely but they cannot in wisdome and fidelity to the Common-Wealth doe this till he shall chuse such Counsellours and Officers as may order and dispose it to the pablicke good and not apply it to the ruine and destruction of his people as heretofore it hath beene but this and the other matters concerning Our selves being workes of great importance and full of intricacie will require so long a time of deliberation that the Kingdome might be ruined before Wee should effect them wherefore We thought it necessary first to be suitors to his Majestie so to order the Militia that the Kingdome being secured Wee might with more case and safety apply our selves to debate of that Message wherein We have beene interrupted by his Majesties denyal of the Ordinance concerning the same because it would have beene in vaine for Us to labour in other things and in the meane time to leave our selves naked to the malice of so many enemies both at home and abroad yet We have not beene altogether negligent of those things which his Majestie is pleased to propound in that Message We have agreed upon a Booke of Rates in a larger Proportion then hath beene granted to any of his Majesties Predecessors which is a considerable support of his Majesties publicke charge and have likewise prepared divers Propositions and Bills for preservation of our Religion and liberties whi●h Wee intend shortly to present to his Majestie and to doe whatsoever is fit for Us to make up this unpleasant breach betwixt his Majestie and the Parliament Whereas divers exceptions are here taken concerning the Militia first that his Majestie never denyed the thing but accepted the persons except for Corporations onely that hee denyed the way to which We answer that that exception takes off London and all other great Townes and Cities which makes a great part of the Kingdome and for the way of Ordinance it is antient more speedy more easily alterable and in all these and other respects more proper and more applicable to the present occasion then a Bil which his Majestie cals the only good old way of imposing upon the subjects It should seeme that neither his Majesties Royall Predecessors nor our Ancestors have heretofore beene of that opinion 37 Ed. 3. Wee find this Record the Chauncelour made declaration of the Challenge of the Parliament the King desires to know the griefes of his Subjects and to redresse inormities The last day of the Parliament the King demanded of the whole Estates whether they would have such things as they agreed on by way of Ordinance or Statute who Answeared by way of Ordinance for that they might amend the same at their pleasures and so it was But his Majestie objects further that there is somewhat in the preface to which he could not consent with Justice to his honour and innocence and that thereby he is excluded from any power in the disposing of it these objections may seeme somewhat but indeed will appeare nothing when it shall be considered that nothing in the Preamble layes any charge upon his Majestie or in the body of the Ordinance that excludes his Royall Authority in the disposing or execution of it But onely it is provided that it should be signified by both Houses of Parliament as that channell through which it will be best derived and most certainely to those ends for which it is intended and let all the world judge whether Wee have not reason to insist upon it that the strength of the Kingdome should rather be ordered according to the direction or advice of the great Councell of the Land equally intrusted by the King and by the Kingdome then that the safety of the King Parliament and Kingdome should bee left at the devotion of a few unknowne Counsellours many of them not intrusted at all by the King in any publike way nor at all confided in by the Kingdome We wish the danger were not imminent or not still continuing but cannot conceive that the long time spent in this debate is evidence sufficient that there was no such necessity or danger but a Bill might easilie have bin prepared for when many causes doe concurre to the danger of a State the interruption of any one may hinder the execution of the rest and yet the designe be still kept on foot for better oportunities who knowes whether the ill successe of the Rebels in Ireland hath not hindred the insurrection of the Papists here whether the preservation of the six Members of the Parliament falsely accused hath not prevented that plot of the breaking the neck of the Parliament of which wee were informed from France not long before they were accused yet since his Maiesty hath bin pleased to expresse his pleasure rather for a Bill then an Ordinance and that he sent in one for that purpose wee readily entertained it and with some small and necessary alterations speedily passed the same But contrary to the custome of Parliament and our expectation grounded upon his Maiesties owne invitation of us to that way and the other reasons manifested in our Declaration concerning the Mili●ia of the fifth of May insteed of his Royall assent we met with an absolute refusall If the matter of these our Votes 15 and 16 of March be according to Law we hope his Maiestie will allow the Subiects to be bound by them because he hath said he
THE DECLARATION OR REMONSTRANCE OF The Lords and Commons in PARLIAMENT assembled With divers depositions and Letters thereunto annexed Die Jovis 19. Maii. 1642. It is this day ordered by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled that this Declaration together with the Depositions shall be forthwith printed and published Jo Browne Cleric Parliamen LONDON Printed for Joseph Hunscott and John Wright 1642. A DECLARATION OF BOTH HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT THe infinite mercy and providence of the Almighty God hath been aboundantly manifested since the beginning of this Parliament in great variety of protections and blessings whereby hee hath not onely delivered us from many wicked Plots and designes which if they had taken effect would have brought ruine and destruction upon this Kingdome but out of those attempts hath produced divers evident and remarkable advantages to the furtherance of those services which we have beene desirous to performe to our Soveraigne Lord the King and to this Church and State in providing for the publique peace and prosperity of his Majesty and all his Realmes which in the presence of the same all-seeing deity we protest to have been and still to be the onely end of all our counsells and endeavours wherein we have resolved to continue freed and inlarged from all private aimes personall respects or passions whatsoever In which resolution we are something discouraged although the heads of the malignant party disappointed of that prey the Religion and liberty of this Kingdome which they were ready to seise upon and devour before the beginning of this Parliament have still persisted by new practises both of force and subtility to recover the same againe for which purpose they have made severall attempts for the bringing up of the Army they afterwards projected the false accusation of the Lord Kimbolton and the five members of the House of Commons which being in it selfe of an odious nature they yet so farre prevailed with his Majesty as to procure him to take it upon himselfe but when the unchangeable duty and faithfulnesse of the Parliament could not bee wrought upon by such a fact as that to withdraw any part of their reverence and obedience from his Majesty they have with much art and industry advised his Majestie to suffer divers unjust scandalls and imputations upon the Parliament to be published in his name whereby they might make it odious to the people and by their helpe to destroy that which hitherto hath been the onely meanes of their owne preservation For this purpose they have drawn his Majesty into the Northerne parts far from the Parliament that so false rumours might have time to get credit and the ●ust defences of the Parliament finde a more tedious difficult and disadvantagious accesse after those false imputations and slanders had been first rooted in the apprehension of his Majesty and his Subjects which the more speedily to effect they have caused a Presse to be transported to Yorke from whence severall papers and writings of that kinde are conveyed to all parts of the Kingdome without the authority of the great seale in an unusuall and illegall manner and without the advice of his Majesties Privy Counsell from the greater and better part whereof having withdrawne himselfe aswell as from his great Councell of parliament he is thereby exposed to the wicked and unfaithfull councells of such as have made the wisdome and justice of the Parliament dangerous to themselves and this danger they labour to prevent by hiding their owne guilt under the name and shadow of the King infusing into him their owne feares and asmuch as in them lies aspersing his royall person and honour with their owne infamy from both which it hath alwayes been as much the care as it is the duty of the Parliament to preserve his Majesty and to fix the guilt of all evill act●ons and counsells upon those who have been the authors of them Amongst divers writings of this kinde wee the Lords and Commons in Parliament have taken into our consideration two printed papers the first containing a declaration which they received from his Majestie in answer of that which was presented to his Majesty from both Houses of Parliament at Newmarket the ninth of March 1641. The other his Majesties answer to the petition of both Houses presented to his Majesty at Yorke the 26 of March 1642. Both which are filled with harsh censures and causelesse charges upon the Parliament concerning which we hold it necessary to give satisfaction to the Kingdome seeing we find it very difficult to satisfy his Majesty who to our great griefe we have found to be so ingaged to and possessed by those misapprehensions which evill counsellors have wrought in him that our most humble and faithfull Remonstrances have rather irritated and imbittered then any thing allayed or mitigated the sharpe expressions which his Majesty hath been pleased to make in answer unto them for the manifestation whereof and of our owne innocency wee desire that all his Majesties loving Subjects may take notice of these particulars We know no occasion given by us which might move his Majesty to tell us that in our declaration presented at Newmarket there were some expressions different from the usuall language to Princes Neither did we tell his Maiesty either in words or in effect that if he did not joyne with us in an Act which his Maiesty conceived might prove prejudiciall and dangerous to himselfe and the whole kingdome we would make a Law without him and impose it upon the people That which we desired was that in regard of the imminent danger of the Kingdome the Militia for the security of his Majesty and his people might be put under the command of such noble and faithfull persons as they had all cause to confide in and such was the necessity of this preservation that we declared that if his Majesty should refuse to joyne with us therein the two Houses of Parliament being the supreame Court and highest councell of the Kingdome were enabled by their owne authority to provide for the repulsing of such imminent and evident danger not by any new Law of their owne making as hath been untruly suggested to his Majesty but by the most antient Law of this Kingdom even that which is fundamentall and essentiall to the constitution and subsistance of it Although we never desired to encourage his Majesty to such replies as might produce any contestation betwixt him and his Parliament of which wee ●ever found better effect then losse of time and hindrance of the publique affaires Yet We have beene farre from telling him of how little value his words would be with us much lesse when they are accompanied with actions of Love and Justice His Majesty hath more reason to finde fault with those wicked counsellours who have so often bereaved him of the honour and his people of the fruit of many gracious Speeches which hee made to them such as those in the end of the last parliament