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A47927 Toleration discuss'd by Roger L'Estrange. L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. 1663 (1663) Wing L1315; ESTC R7093 72,161 120

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Gentlemen while you Debate That Point I 'le call for Dinner SECT XVI At whose Door Lyes the BLOUD of King CHARLES the MARTYR Zea. ANd why by Them if by Any I beseech ye Was Peters a Presbyterian Scrup. Yes surely was he as much as Marshall was an Independent Zea. Go to Let us spare Names and Fall to the Matter Scrup. The Question is Upon Whom the Guilt of the Kings Bloud lyes You charge it upon Us and I upon You. The Presbyterians Spoyl'd Him as a King before Others Executed Him as a Private Man Have they not Hunted and Persu'd Him with Sword and Fire Have they not formerly Deny'd to Treat with Him and their now Recanting Ministers Preach't against Him as a Reprobate Incurable an Enemy to God and his Church Marqu'd for Destruction c. The Covenanting-Ministers with their Party clearly Depos'd the King when They Acknowledg'd and submitted unto a Power as Superiour unto His Levy'd war against Him as against a Traytor Rebel and Enemy to the Kingdome c. The Scots had proceeded so far as to Imprison the Kings Person and to Sequester all his Royal Power which is a Temporary Dethroning and Deposing Nay hear what some of your Rabbies have not stuck to say in my Iustification The Removal of Prelatical Innovations Altar-genuflexions and cringings with Crossings and all that Popish Trash and Trumpery Countervails for the Bloud and Treasure shed and spent in these late Distractions and this was in 56. Once more and you shall take your Turn This may serve to Justifie the Proceedings of this Kingdome against the late King who in a Hostile way set Himself to overthrow Religion Parliaments Laws and Liberties Zea. I could Afford you Two for One and Pay you in your own Coyne His Capacity says Parker was at Westminster when His Body was upon the Scaffold at Whitehall Paying unto Justice for his Misgovernment and Tyranny Think not to save your Selves sayes One of your Ministers to the Commons about a Month before the King Suffer'd Think not to Save your Selves says He by an Unrighteous Saving Them who are the Lord's and the Peoples Known Enemies for Certainly if ye Act not Like GODS in This Particular against men truly Obnoxious to Justice They will be like DEVILS against you Benhadad's Life was once in Ahab's Hand and He ventur'd God's Displeasure to let him go But see how Bernhadad Rewards Him for it Fight neither with Small nor Great but with the KING of Israel Conf. Come Gentlemen Your Dinner 's Ready but first I Charge ye by that Love ye bear to Truth and Honesty deal Freely with me What 's Your Opinion of your Cause Zea. Wee 'll take time to Consider of it Conf. And of your Petition too I beseech ye Go to I dare swear there 's Neither of ye will Dye at Stake for 't Scrup. But still I 'm where I was as to the Favouring of Tender Consciences Conf. And truly so am I where it is possible to Separate the Errour from the Person but to permit a Pullique Inconvenience for the Satisfaction of a Private Scruple were upon very weak pretence to Unhinge the Law and Consequently to Dissolve the Government Det ille veniam facilè cui veniâ est opus Sen. Agamem The END The CONTENTS INTRODUCTION Pag. 1 SECT 1. Liberty of Conscience Stated P. 5 SECT 2. Universal Toleration Unlawful P. 7 SECT 3. Limited Toleration does not answer Liberty of Conscience P. 18 SECT 4. The Non-Conformists Plea for TOLERATION upon Reason of State P. 14 SECT 5. The Non-Conformists Plea for TOLERATION from the Merits of the Party P. 24 SECT 6. The Non-Conformists Plea for TOLERATION from the Innocence of their Practices and Opinions P. 26 SECT 7. TOLERATION Causes Confusion both in Church and State P. 36 SECT 8. The Danger of TOLERATION in this Iuncture Pag. 3● SECT 9. Arguments against TOLERATION in respect of the Party ihat Desires it with Animadversions upon a certain Pamplet Entituled A SERMON Preached at ALDERMANBURY-CHURCH Decemb. 28. 1662. P. 42 SECT 10. Arguments against TOLERATION in Respect of the Authority that is to Grant it P. 60 SECT 11. The Proper Subject and Extent of Humane Power P. 64 SECT 12. The Bounds of TOLERATION with some Reflections upon SCHISM and SCANDAL p. 69 SECT 13. The Necessity of a Final and Unaccomptable JUDGE P. 81 SECT 14. The Three Great Iudges of Mankind are GOD MAGISTRATES and CONSCIENCE P. 89 SECT 15. The Toleration which the Non-Conformists desire has neither GROUND nor PRESIDENT P. 99 SECT 16. At Whose Door Lies the BLOUD of King CHARLES the MARTYR P. 104 The END Crooks Reports Pars 2. Pa. 37. Interest of Engl. Pa 86. P. 84. 86. 87. 94. The Non-conformists Demand Rom. 2. 14. Laud against Fisher. pa. 197. Rom. 7. 7. Rom. 4. 15. Rom. 5. 13. 1 Joh. 4. 3 15. Ex. Coll. P. 2. 3. a Ex. Coll. P. 84. b P. 339. c P. 609. d P. 764. e P. 392. Ex. Coll. P. 533. P. 494. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 P. 28. 24. Lord Brook Alaham Pa. 12. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 P. 130. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 P. 93. Gal. 5. 1. a Lex Rex P. 136. b 156. c 140. d 113. e Gillespy P. 11. Engl. Pop. Cerem f 245. Kings Declar. P. 409. P. 4●1 P. 409. P. 413. A Sacred Panegyrick P. 23 Defence of the Honourable Sentence passed upon the late King Pa. 90. Ex Coll. Pa. 259 Ex. Coll. Pa. 457. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Pa. 183. The Non-conformists would have they know not what Letter to the Assembl Ian. 1. 45. Pag. 3. Engl. Deliv Pa. 7. Fresh Disput. Pa. 98. Tenure of Kings Pa. 36. Ex. Coll. Pa. 2. Remonstr Ex. Coll. Pa. 19. ☜ Ibid. The False Brother a Part. 2. Pag. 3. b Pag. 7. Scobel Acts c. c Pag. 51. d Pag. 65. e Pag. 178. f Pag. 293. a Scobels Acts c. Pag. 41. b Pag. 60. c Pag. 73. d Pag. 75. e Pag. 128. f Pag. 8. Part 2. g Pag. 149. h Pag. 153. i Pag. 400. k Pag. 42. l Pag. 53. m Pag. 75. n Pag. 99. o Pag. 101. p Pag. 128. q Part. 2. Pag. 16. r Part. 1. Pag. 97. Ibid. The Kirks Testimony against Toleration Pag. 10. Scobell's Acts Pars. 2. Pa. 340. Useful Case of Conscience Pa. 19 20. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 P. 207. Ibid. a Scob. Acts Pars. 1. Pa. 37. b Pa. 135. c Pars. 2. Pa. 104. d Pa. 175. e Pa. 372. Kings Declar. Decemb. 26. 1662. Pa. 8. His Majesty's Speech to Both Houses Feb. 18. 1662. Pa. 5. Ibid. Pa. 7. Pa. 8. Ibid. Pa. 8. Pa. 9. Pa. 8. Pa. 9. Pa. 10. Pa. 11. Ibid. Pa. 12. Pa. 13. Ibid. Pa. 14. Ibid. Sermon Iu● 15. 43. pag. 53 51. Pa. 16. Pa. 17. Pa. 17 18. ☞ Davila Delle Guer. Civ di F●an Lib. 10. Ibid. Lib. 14. Strada de Bello Belgico Lib. 5. The subject of Humane Power Eccles. Polit Lib. 1. Pa. 7. a Parker Goodwin Rutherford Milton c. b E. Cal. Noble-mans Pattern pa. 45. c E. C. Phoenix pa. 158 159. d Rutherfords Due Right of Presbyteryee Pa. 485. e Ibid. p. 488. f Mr. Manion's Smectymnuus Publisht since his Majesties Return pa. 58. ☜ Essay of Atheism E. Calaus Serm. Dec. 28. 1662. Pa. 21. Pa. 19. Psal. 73. v. 12. Essay of Unity of Religion Numb 24. 16. Numb 16. 1. V. 3. V. 32. V. 35. V. 41. V. 49. a Rom. 2. 22. b By the Familists c By the Antinomians d Rutherford Lex Rex p. ●1 a Goodwins Right and Might Pa. 10. b Lex Rex Pa. 265. c Lex Rex Pa. 324. d Pa. 269. e Pa. 334. f Pa. 324. g Pa. 273. h Ibid. i Ibid. k Lex Rex Pa. 152. l Ibid. a Right and Might b Tenūre of Kings Pa. 24. c Defence of the Kings Sentence P. 34. d English Translation of the Scottish Declaration Pa. 18. e Pa. 22. Printed for Francis Tyton who has Published as much since the King came in Chillingsworths Safe Way Pa. 57. Rom. 7. 23. Chilling● Safe way P. 104. a Rutherfords Due Right of Presbyt p. 356. b Ibid. p. 352. c Ibid p 407. d Ibid. p. 415. d Ruth Free Disp. pag. 36. Ruth Free Disp. pa. 27. Resuscitatio Pa. 189. Common-wealth Stated P. 72. Milton's Tenur P. 32. Goodwin's Defence of the King's Sentence P. 53. Parker's Scotlands Holy War P. 17. Policy of Princes P. 33. Robert Douglass Sermon in 51 and in the Phoenix P. 52. English Translat P. 18. Flesh Expiring c. P. 26.
the Forces raised by the PARLIAMENT according to their Power and Vocation and not to Assist the Forces raised by the KING neither DIRECTLY nor INDIRECTLY That Proclaym the breach of the National Covenant to be a greater sin then a sin against a Command'ment or against an Ordinance a sin of so high a Nature that God cannot in Honour but be Aveng'd upon 't These are a People likewise whose Principles stand in no Consistence either with Piety or with Government and can as little Pretend to the Benefit of a Toleration as the Former There are that Asfirm Reformation of Religion to be the People's Duty no Less then the King 's and that the Pastors of the Land are Oblig'd to Reform Themselves and Religion without the King nay though the King command the contrary There are that Print the English Episcopal Clergy to be sons of Belial that Press the Cutting of them off that scandalously Charge Them with Drunkennesse Prophanesse Superstition Popishness To the Dishonour of that Government which his Majesty has sworn to Maintain and to the Hazard of the Publique Peace These also do I take to be a People whose Practices and Opinions Threaten a certain and swift Destruction both to Church and State Wherever They are Tolerated What security can a Prince expect where his Mistakes are made the common Theme of the Pulpit and where His Regalities are subjected to the Good Pleasure of His Subjects Ze. You do not think it Lawfull then I perceive to Tolerate the Non-conformists Conf. Till they renounce their Seditious and Anti-Monarchical wayes I must confess I do not Ze. And which are Those I beseech ye Conf. Their Inconformity to the Law Their Doctrine of Conditional Obedience Their Erecting an Ecclesiastical Supremacy to overtop the Prerogative Royall To say no more Their Declaring the Magistrate accomptable to the People Scrup. Conformity You have spoken some sharp Truths and it is to be presum'd that you 'l Allow the Liberty you Take Whether do you believe Scandal to be any more Tolerable than Schism Or are not the Sons of the Church as ye call them as Guilty of the One as the Non-conformists are of the Other Conf. Scandal My good Friend is a General Term especially as you frequently apply it and 't is but Reason for me to ask your Meaning before I give you my Answer To say that the Sons of the Church are Guilty of Scandal when eo nomine they appear to you Scandalous is no more then to say that the Sons of the Church are the Sons of the Church for the Church it self the Government and the Rites of it are All Scandalous to You. Wherefore I beseech ye be a little more Particular that I may understand what Scandal you intend and be as plain as playn may be Scrup. Nay you shall have it then and as plainly too as your Heart can wish Your Position is that No Toleration can warrantably be Granted to the Hazard of Religion Good Life and Government According to That Standard You 'ld find that the Conformists have as little Right to a Toleration as their Neighbours and that the Notorious Scandal on the One side out-weighs the Pretended Schism on the Other But to make my self understood by Scandal I mean Publique and Habitual Prophaneness Sensuality Dissolution of Manners c. as by Schism and Sedition I suppose You intend our Incomplyances with your Church-Discipline Our Preaching up the Power of Godliness against the Form of it which You Interpret to be a Decrying of your Ceremonies and our Exhortings rather to obey God than Man which you are apt to take for an Affront to your Master's Prerogagative 'T is true We cannot bring up our Consciences to your Ceremonies and for Refusing to doe what we cannot Iustifie the Doing of we are Baptiz'd Schismatiques This Extermination of Us from the Publique Assembly puts us upon the Necessity of Private Meetings and There We are Charg'd with Plotts and Practices upon the State Take it all at the Worst It is but doing That which the Whole World agrees must Necessarily be done after such a Manner as some People Imagine we ought not to do it So much for the Schism of the Non-Conformists Now put the Scandal of the Adverse Party into the Other Scale and You Your self shall hold the Ballance Set but Your Tavern-Clubs against Our Conventicles and since you will have it so Oppose our Plotts against the Government in the One to your Combinations against God Himself in the Other for Atheism is become the Sport and Wit the Salt of your most Celebrated Enterteinments In Your own Words The Eternal Verity is made a Fable Religion but a Scar-Crow the sour Impression of a Superstitious Melancholy nor is't enough to Abandon Heaven unless ye Invade it too and in the Throne of Providence set up the Empire and Divinity of Fortune When you have dash'd the Bible out of Countenance with the conceit of The Three Grand Impostors or some such tart piece of Drollery and all This Enterlarded with Execrable and study'd Blasphemyes the Man must be cast off as well as the Christian and there 's the Upshot of your Familiar Conversations If such People as These may be Tolerated where 's your Foundation of Faith Good Life and Government Conf. We are fallen I must confess into a Lewd Age and yet truly when I consider that This Nation has been Twenty years under your Tuition 't is a Greater Wonder to me that it is not quite Overspread with Atheism than to find it Only Teinted and Infected with it The Reproche and Load of This Impiety you have cast upon the Episcopal Party but when we come to Trace the Monster to his Den I 'm afraid we shall bring the Footsteps of Him up to your own Dore. That there are Exorbitants in all Perswasions is a Thing not to be doubted and that there are in ours as well as in Others I will not Deny but to Asperse the Cause for Personal Misdemeanours is to my thinking very Disingenuous If ye will Charge Personal Crimes upon the Accompt of a Party You should be sure to Make out Those Crimes to be Rationally Consequent to the Tenents or Actings of That Party Now if you can shew me Any Affinity betwixt our Principles and Those Villanyes you say something but if ye cannot the Dust of your Argument puts out your own Eyes Scrup. You forget that you Condemn your own Practice for why may not I Charge Personal Extravagancies upon your Party as well as You do it upon Ours Conf. Only because there is not That Affinity as I said but now betwixt the Principles of the Party and the Faults of the Persons on the One side which I find on the Other To make This as Clear as the Day wee 'l open it Thus. The Episcopal Party was for the King and 't is undenyable that the King and the Church had both the same Cause and the