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A31180 The case of the quo warranto against the city of London wherein the judgment in that case, and the arguments in law touching the forfeitures and surrenders of charters are reported. 1690 (1690) Wing C1152; ESTC R35470 116,065 124

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Lord Arundel of Warder Lord Petre Lord Bellasis were Impeached by the Commons in Parliament of High Treason for the same Conspiracies and sent to the Tower That the King in his Speech to that Parliament had recommended to them the further pursuit and examination of that Conspiracy declaring he thought not himself nor them safe till that matter were gone through with and therefore that it was necessary that the said Lords in the Tower should be brought to their Trials that Justice might be done and the Parliament having made an Address to the King wherein both Lords and Commons declared their being deeply sensible of the sad condition of the Realm occasioned chiefly by the Conspiracies of a Popish Party who had plotted and intended the Destruction of the King and Subversion of the Government and Religion of the Kingdom and thereupon a Solemn Fast kept pursuant to the Kings Proclamation grounded upon the said Address and divers Bills prepared to be pass'd into Laws for preservation of his Protestant Subjects These Impeachments and Bills being thus depending and the Lords in the Tower not Tryed the Parliament was upon the 10th of January prorogued as the Attorney General above in his Replication hath alledged by reason whereof the Citizens and Inhabitants of the said City being faithful Subjects to the King were much disquieted with the sense and apprehensions of the Danger threatning the Person of the King his Government and Realm by reason of the Conspiracies aforesaid as is by both King and Parliament affirmed and declared and conceiving no better means to prevent than by the Sitting of the Parliament and having received a Petition from divers faithful Subjects Citizens of London to the same effect And it being lawful to Petition the Mayor Sir Patience Ward and the Aldermen and Commons in Common Council assembled for the preservation of the King and his Government did cause to be written the Petition in the Replication mentioned which is set forth in haec verba and did Order that after the same was presented to the King it should be Printed for the satisfaction of the troubled Minds of the said Citizens and traverse the writing or making any other Petition or making this to any other end or intent than they have pleaded THE Attorney General as to the Plea of the Mayor Surrejoynder and Commonalty and Citizens pleaded to the making and publishing the Ordinance about the Markets Protestando That the Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens were not seiz'd of the Markets nor at their charges provided Stalls and Necessaries or Market-places Protestando etiam That the said Rates and Sums were not reasonable For Plea saith That by a Statut made 22 Car. II. it was enacted that Places for Markets should be set out and 2 d. per Chaldron upon Coals for the charge of that and many other things was given and that they received a great Sum out of that Duty for the purpose aforesaid and yet for their own private Lucre took the Mony by the Ordinance And traverseth that the Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens time out of mind habuerunt habere consueverunt Tolneta Ratas sive denariorum summas per ipsos Majorem Communitatem Cives superius supposit per prefatam Legem sive Ordinationem predict ' Assess in certitudinem reduct prout per placitum suum superius rejungendo placitat ' supponitur And to the Plea of the Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens pleaded to the Residue of the Attorney's matter assigned for a Forfeiture as aforesaid The Attorney Protestando That the aforesaid Prorogation of the Parliament was for urgent Causes concerning the good of the Kingdom and thereby the prosecution of publique Justice not interrupted And Demurrs to the said Plea of the Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens by them pleaded as to the Petition Rebutter THE Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens as to the making and publishing the Ordinance for the payment of Monies by those that come to the said Markets say as before That the Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens have time out of mind had and accustomed to have reasonable Tolls Rates or Sums of Mony of all Persons comming to these Markets with Victuals and Provisions there to be sold for Stalls Standings and other Accomodations by them had for exposing their Victuals and Provisions to sale And of this they put themselves upon the Country c. To this Mr. Attorney demurrs And as to the Plea by the Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens pleaded to the Residue of the matter by the Attorney General assigned for Forfeiture they joyn in Demurrer Memorandum That when the Demurrer in this Case was joyn'd viz. Mich. Term. 34 Car. II. Mr. Sergeant Pemberton was Chief Justice of the King-Bench But before Hillary Term that it came to be argued he was removed and made Chief Justice of the Common-Bench and Sir Edmoud Saunders who had been Counsel for the King in drawing and advising the Pleadings was made Chief Justice of the Kings Bench. De Termino Sancti Hillarii Annis RRs Car. II. 34. 35. Annoque Dom. 1682. In Banco Regis die Mercurii 7. Februarii Dominus Rex versus Majorem Communitat ' Cives Civitat ' London THIS Great Case was twice only argued at the Bar First by Mr. Finch the Kings Sollicitor for the King and Sir George Treby Recorder of London for the City And next by Sir Robert Sawyer the Kings Attorney General for the King and Henry Pollexfen for the City Mr. Sollicitor The Questions in this Case as I think will be Mr. Sollicitor I. Whether any Corporation can be Forfeited II. Whether the City of London differ from other Corporations as to point of Forfeiture III. Whether any Act of the Mayor Aldermen and Common Council in Common Council Assembled be so much the Act of the Corporation as can make a Forfeiture IV. Whether the Acts by them done in making the By-Law and receiving Mony by it or in making the Petition and causing it to be Printed and Published be such Acts as if done by the Corporation will make a Forfeiture of the Corporation The First of these Questions truly I should not make any Question at all but that this Case has been a Case of so great expectation every man hath discoursed about it and the prejudice that some have entertained concerning it have drawn them to assert the Negative Proposition Therefore my Lord because this strikes to the whole though I think it hath no Foundation in Law I will beg leave to remove this Objection out of the Case I. First of all No Corporation hath any other Creation than any other Franchises have and subsist upon the same Terms that other Franchises do II. There is a Trust or a Condition in Law that is annexed to and grows upon all Franchises that they be not abused and the Breach of them is a Forfeiture of the very being of the Franchise III. And as there is no Foundation of
a Law-book to back me I remember that my Lord Hobart says That Zeal and Indignation are fervent Passions The City of London had great Indignation against the Papists for this Conspiracy against the King and Kingdom and the Religion established by Law There was no disaffection in the City at this time when this Petition was made sure and I wonder that any man should say that knows London and was acquainted with it then and looks upon this Petition which passed nemine contradicente that they had such an intention as is insinuated And pray let him read the Names of the worthy Aldermen that then sat upon the Bench and the other Names of the Common Council-men then present and then let him say if without Reflection the King have more loyal Subjects in the City of London than these men were And do you think if there had béen in it any Sedition or any of those ill qualities that make up the ill Adverbs which are joyned to it in the Replication not one of all those loyally-dispos'd men would have spoken against it But alas all of it passed nemine contradicente My Lord I say that if the matter of it be justifiable as I think it is then all these words will signifie nothing if there were never so many more of them And the presenting and carrying of it to the King that is no Offence that is not so much as pretended to be one And my Lord I think it a very harsh Translation of the word into Latin when the Petition says That the Parliaments Procéedings or the publick Iustice received an interruption to put that word of Obstructionem in truly I think a better word might have béen found to express the soft expression in the Petition and they néed not have put that hard violent word Obstructionem when to make English of it they translated it Interruption But my Lord they do admit I say That the making and presenting of it to the King is not the Offence so much as the publishing of it by which it is exposed to many others besides Now to excuse that the Answer we give is this and 't is that which will carry a very reasonable ground of Iustification in it Certain Citizens that were private Men had petitioned the Common Council and thereby they were importuned to make known the desires of the City to the King and it was reasonable to make known to those Citizens what the Common Council had done to prevent false Rumours which we knew were rife enough in those days and to shew that there was nothing ill in it we did Print it And 't is also all driving at the Common Interest at the Kings Safety the Preservation of the Church and the Government established All this they did desire might be known to these Citizens and all others that enquired about it and therefore they Printed it to evidence that there was nothing of ill intended in it And I do wonder I must confess that this Objection of the publishing of this Petition should be so much insisted upon for they say That the Mayor Commonalty and Citizens of the City of London did it and say not any thing of the Common Council that they did print it Now they that did vote it knew it without printing and 't is alledged in the Pleadings and confessed by the Demurrer That the Mayor Commonalty and Citizens of London that is the Corporation consists of above 50000 Men which cannot well be intended otherwise Why then here is a Petition that is agréed to be well enough lodged as to the Persons that voted it it being the liberty of the Subject to petition and if this had béen only presented to the King though it had béen by those 50000 men nay if it had béen by 10000 men who had béen the Corporation It had béen well enough so it had not béen printed but only kept private to themselves Why then 't is very strange that what is known to all London so great a part of the Kingdom should be lawful but it should be heinously unlawful to send the news of it further It went further than the City of London and therefore 't is such an Offence as shall be a Forfeiture of the Corporation My Lord there is the Case of Lake and King the Petition to the Parliament was scandalous in it self yet it stood protected being presented to the Parliament and it was lawful to print it provided it were delivered to a Committée of Parliament or only to those that were Members though 't is said there that the printing of it is a great publishing for the Composers Correctors and other Persons that are concerned in the Press read every Letter of it But it was answered That Printing is but a more expeditious way of Writing and if he had employed 20 Clerks it had béen a greater publishing than thrée or four Printers Possibly the Printers might not read it or not be able to read it well or not all of them read it at that time Now here my Lord Sure it was lawful to acquaint the Citizens what they had done if you take it to be the Act of the Common Council and the Common Council to be the Representative of the City It was always agreed by the House of Commons that any Member might send the Votes to those that sent them thither and whom they represented they have blamed indeed men for sending the debates but never for communicating the Votes And what they may do by Writing that they may do by Printing Why then might not the Citizens of London who by Custom choose those Common Council men well desire to know and might well know what they had done and then what they might do by Writing they might by Printing for that is but another way though a more suitable and compendious way of exhibiting any thing that you would have go to many And if it be lawful to impart it to all the City and all the City does know it though it does go further 't is no matter for what is known to London may very well be known to all the Nation besides without Offence if it did go further Besides it shall never be intended it was published further or that any others knew of it for 't is said to be published in the Parish of St. Michael Bassishaw in the Ward of Bassishaw and that is in London to the Citizens of London and so they only talked of it amongst themselves Besides the main thing I go upon which is if there be no ill in the thing it self the ea intentione can make no crime by a bare affirmation which we deny and if it might be well said or done it is lawful to Print it and the Publication is no Offence neither My Lord The next point I come to is this That a Corporation cannot possibly commit a Capital Crime or any other Crime against the Peace And I shall offer this Dilemma Either it
the space of Seven Years next after the making this Ordinance received divers great Sums of Mony in all amounting to 5000 l. per Annum in oppression of the Kings Subjects And further That whereas a Session of Parliament was holden by Prorogation and continued to the 10th of January 32 Car. II. and then prorogued to the 20th of January then next The Mayor Commonalty and Citizens 13 Jan. 32 Car. II. in their Common Council assembled unlawfully maliciously advisedly and seditiously and without any lawful Authority assumed upon themselves Ad censendum judicandum dictum Dominum Regem Prorogationem Parliamenti per Dominum Regem sic fact ' And then and there in Common Council Assembled did give their Votes and Order that a certain Petition under the name of the Mayor Aldermen and Commons of the City of London in Common Council assembled to the King should be exhibited in which said Petition was contained That by the Prorogation the prosecution of the publique Justice of the Kingdom and the making necessary provision for the preservation of the King and of his Protestant Subjects had received interruption And that the Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens in the same Common Council assembled did unlawfully maliciously advisedly and seditiously and with intention that the said Petition should be dispers'd amongst the Kings Subjects to induce an opinion in them that the said King by proroguing the Parliament had obstructed the publique Justice and to incite the Kings Subjects to hatred of the Kings Person and Government and to disturb the Peace of the Kingdom did Order that the said Petition should be printed and the same was printed accordingly to the intent and purpose aforesaid By which the Mayor Commonalty and Citizens aforesaid the Priviledge Liberty and Franchise of being a Body Politique and Corporate did forfeit and afterwards by the time in the Information that Liberty and Franchise of being a Body Politique did usurp upon the King Et hoc c. And as to the other two Pleas viz. The making and having Sheriffs and Justices of the Peace The Attorney General Imparles to Mich. Term. THE Mayor Commonalty and Citizens Rejoynder as to the Plea of the Attorney General pleaded in Assigning a Forfeiture of their being a Body Politique and Corporate Protestando That those Pleas by the Attorney pleaded and the matter in the same contained are insufficient in the Law to forejudge or exclude the Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens from being a Corporation Protestando etiam That no Act or Deed or By-Law made by the Mayor Aldermen and Common Council is the Act or Deed of the Body Corporate Protestando etiam That they the Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens of London never took upon them any unlawful or unjust Authority to Tax the Kings Subjects for their own private Gain or did ever levy or exact from the Kings Subjects coming to Markets such yearly Sums as in the Replication are alledged For Plea say That London is the Metropolis of England and very populous Celeberrimum Emporium totius Europae That there are and time out of mind have been divers publique Markets for Provision and Merchandise within the said City to be sold That the Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens have been time out of mind and yet are seiz'd of these Markets in Fee and by all the said time at their own Costs and Expences have provided and have accustomed and ought to provide at their own costs Places for the holding the said Markets and Stalls and Standing and other Accommodations for persons bringing Provisions and Merchandises to the said Markets and Supervisors and other Officers for the better preserving and ordering the said Markets and of the great concourse of persons coming to the same and for the sustaining and supporting of the said costs and expenses by all the time aforesaid have had and ought to have reasonable Tolls Rates or Sums of Mony of persons coming to the said Markets for their Stalls Standings and other Accommodations by them for the better exposing their Commodities had and enjoyed They further say That the Citizens and Freemen of London are very numerous viz. 50000 and more That within the said City there hath been time out of mind a Common Council assembled as often as necessary consisting of the Mayor Aldermen and of certain of the Citizens not exceeding 250 persons thereto annually elected called the Commons of the said City That there is a Custom within the said City for the Mayor Aldermen and Common Council to make By-laws and Ordinances for the Regulation and Government of the publique Markets within the City That these Liberties and Customs of the City were confirmed by Magna Carta and the other Statutes in the Plea abovementioned That by reason of the burning of the City in Septemb. 1666. and the Alterations in the Market-Houses and Places thereby occasion'd for the establishing and resetling the Markets within the City 17 Septemb. 26 Car. II the then Mayor Aldermen and Commons in Common Council Assembled according to the said Custom for the better Regulation of the said Market did make and publish an Ordinance Entituled An Act for the Settlement and well-ordering the Publique Markets within the City of London by which said Ordinance reciting that for the accommodation of the Market People with Stalls Shelters and other Necessaries for their Standing in the Markets and for the amendment paving and cleansing the Market-places and for the support and defraying the incident Charges thereof there have been always certain reasonable Rates and Duties paid for the same And to the intent that the said Rates may be ascertain'd and made publique to all Market-people and the Collectors restrained from exacting It was Enacted and Ordained by the said Common-Council that the Rates and Sums in the Replication should be paid to the use of the Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens or upon refusal to be removed out of the Market And they aver that these are all the Rates or Duties paid and were reasonable Sums to be paid and these they have demanded and received for the use and purpose aforesaid as was lawful for them to do As to the other matter alledged by the Attorney General in Assigning the Forfeiture they say That within this Kingdom viz. at the Parish of St. Michael Bassishaw London there was an execrable Plot and Conspiracy prosecuted by Papists to destroy the King and to subvert the Ancient Government and suppress the true Religion in this Kingdom Established That Sir Edmundbury Godfrey took Examinations of Witnesses and Informations of the same and also of the burning of London by the Papists That divers of these Conspirators had lain in wait for him and murthered him to the intent to suppress his Examinations and to deter other Magistrates from acting in the Discovery That Green and others were try'd and hang'd for this Murther That Coleman and others were also try'd and executed for the same Conspiracy That William Lord Powis
R. 2. Iustice Jones 283. hath it verbatim out of the Parliament Roll. The constant course of pleading the Customs of London is to plead a confirmation of them by this Act of Parliament So that as to this point there is not any one Book or Opinion before this day in favour of what is affirmed that these are not Acts of Parliament and our Plea stands good in Law and the Ordinance and By-Law and Custom good and then no Forfeiture thereby 3. But suppose and admit that this By-Law be the Act of the Corporation be not good and sufficient in Law nor in Law justifiable Quid sequitur Then it is void in Law Then if it be void in Law How can it make a Forfeiture Suppose a Lessee for years or for Life makes a Feoffment but it is not duly executed for want of Livery and Seisin by which it is void in Law Can this make a Forfeiture of the Estate of the Lessee Suppose a Corporation Tenant pur auter vie makes a Feofment which is void for want of Livery duly made Will this forfeit their Estate A void Act shall not destroy or forfeit a precedent Estate A Parson that hath a former Benefice accepts a second Benefice incompatible Dy. 377. b. was instituted and inducted but did not read the the Articles his first Benefice was not forfeit or void hereby because by the Statute the not reading his Articles had made his Institution and Induction void So that then whether this By-Law or Ordinance were good or void in Law perhaps is not much material it cannot make any Forfeiture of the Corporation it can have no such effect for if it be a good and lawfull By-Law no Forfeiture can be for doing a good and lawfull Act. If the Ordinance be not warrantable by Law then it is void in Law if void in Law a void Act can make no Forfeiture Obj. But you received and exacted from the Kings Subjects Summs of Money by this Ordinance Resp Suppose we did and that we had no right to have this money if an Officer by colour of his Office receive more than is due it is Extortion and a Crime punishable But if a Person that is no Officer take money that is not due or more than is his due the Parties injured have their Remedies by Action but this is no Crime for which any Forfeiture or Penalty is incurred by the person that so takes or receives the money Suppose a Lord of a Manour exact or take greater Fines or Summs of Money from his Copyholders or Tenants than he ought they have their Remedies by Actions against those that receive so if a Corporation receive or take moneys supposed to be due but in truth is not how can this Forfeit any thing Obj. But you took upon you a Power and Authority to tax the King's People and to take and receive the money so taxed Resp This is but the same thing only put into greater words It is still but the making of an unlawfull By-Law and thereby appoint money to be paid which ought not or more than should be and the turning of it or expressing it in stately words of taking upon you or usurping Authority to impose upon and tax the King's People Whosoever doth any act or thing he takes upon him and doth also execute the Power and Authority of doing that act or thing which is comprehended in the thing done The making a By-Law or Ordinance whereby more is ordered to be paid than ought or money appointed to be paid where none is due is still all the fact and thing done and if that make no Forfeiture of the Corporation or Crime punishable by Indictment or Information except only as the Statute 19 H. 7. c. 7. which I shall hereafter mention hath appointed for Forfeiture of 40 s. The taking or usurping the Power to doe it cannot be more or effect more than the doing the thing which comprehends it 2. As to the other Cause alleadged in the Replication for Forfeiture the Petition printing and publishing it In the Replication 't is alleadged That a Parliament the 10th of January was prorogued to the 20th of January That the 13th of January the Mayor Commonalty and Citizens of London in their Common Council assembled malitiose advisate seditiose took upon them ad judicand ' censand ' the King and the Prorogation of the Parliament by the King so made and that the Mayor and Commonalty and Citizens of London so in the said Common Council assembled did give their Votes and Order That a Petition in the Name of the Mayor Aldermen and Commons of the City of London in Common Council assembled should be exhibited to the King In which Petition it was contained That by that Prorogation the prosecution of the publick Iustice of the Kingdom and the making necessary provisions for the Preservation of the King and his Protestant Subjects had received Interruption And that the Mayor Commonalty and Citizens of London in Common Council as aforesaid assembled did malitiously and seditiously to the intent the same should be dispersed among the King's Subjects and to cause an Opinion that the King obstructed the publick Iustice and to stir up Hatred and Dislike against the King's Person and Government did order the said Petition to be printed and afterwards they did print it and caused it to be published The Defendents in their Rejoinder to this Breach set forth and alleadg Rejoinder as to the Petition That there was a Plot against the Life of the King the Government and the Protestant Religion and set forth all the Proceedings upon it the Attainders and Impeachments of the Lords in the Tower in Parliament depending the Proclamations declaring the Dangers by this Plot that they could not otherwise in humane Reason be prevented but by the Blessing of God upon the Consultations and Endeavours of that great Council the Parliament and commanding a General Fast to be kept in London the 22d of December and that it was kept accordingly The Proceedings in the Parliament towards the Tryall of the Lords and preparing Bills to be enacted into Laws for preservation of the King and his Subjects against these Plots and Cospiracies That divers of the Citizens loyal Subjects being much affrighted and troubled in their Minds with the apprehension of these Dangers did exhibit their Petition to Sir Patience Ward then Lord Mayor and the Aldermen and Commons in Common Council then assembled containing their Fears and Apprehensions and Expectations from the King and that Parliament did petition that the Common Council would petition for the sitting of that Parliament at the time prorogued And thereupon the Mayor and Aldermen naming them and Commons in Common Council assembled from their Hearts truly loyal to the King and for the satisfaction of the Citizens who had exhibited that Petition and of intent to preserve the Person of the King and his Government did give their Votes and order a Petition