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A81339 A discourse of proper sacrifice, in way of answer to A.B.C. Jesuite, another anonymus of Rome: whereunto the reason of the now publication, and many observable passages relating to these times are prefixed by way of preface: by Sr. Edvvard Dering Knight and baronet. Dering, Edward, Sir, 1598-1644.; Glover, George, b. ca. 1618.; Jansson van Ceulen, Cornelius, b. 1593. 1644 (1644) Wing D1108A; Thomason E51_13; ESTC R22886 86,894 157

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that reason can hardly find the point in quarrell Protestant Religion Laws Liberty Priviledges c. Why do they differ Why are they not agreed may not a great part of the cause be that the King divideth from the Parliament Oh but he had great cause so to do But what if one should say the King had mo●e cause to go away then he hath now to stay away If it be admitted that the King went away upon great cause may it not be argued that there is now greater cause to return perhaps it will be granted but withall replied that his personall danger will make the advice of his return a sinnefull counsel If I did not love his person well I durst not thus expresse my self But upon that ground I say that he may be personally as safe or safer at Westminster then at Oxford That he may have the same ample splendor of a Court or greater That he may have all the same Officers or some of them better I know that at Oxford they say if the King come hither his life which God preserve is like to be the forfeiture of that rashnesse or else as Damascen relateth that the Mosyni do in Asia {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} so these will shut him up and feed him in the Tower Good men cannot do so nay good men can not say so or think so No King-killing never was but among papists it was first allowed by a Pope and hath continued with his successours 9. The first Regicide among Christians allowed was that of the Emperour Mauritius This was severely inveighed against and that publickly by the Patriarch of Constantinople But pride and covetousnesse the Saints which the Bishop of Rome then served taught the crafty murderer Phocas to please the Pope in both his lusts for his pride he gives him the title of Vniversall Bishop and feeds his covetousnesse with rich bribes so the bloudy parricide is blest by a holy father Maurice had before given the oecumenicall title to John of Constantinople now Phocas withdraws it thence and placeth it upon Boniface of Rome It is observed by Historians that both these Emperours so overforward to grace Bishops with unallowable Anchristian titles died miserably d quod mysterio non caret as one sayes 10. The last of massacred Kings were the famous Henries of France Henry the third stabbed in the belly by a Jacobin frier encouraged by the Prior of his covent and by Commolet and other Jesuits In lesse then 4. years after this Peter Barrier of Orleance came to Melun where our Queens father then was with a sharpe two-edged knife purposely resolved to have killed the King as he had formerly confessed to one Aubrey a priest and to father Varade then rectour of the Jesuits who confirmed him in his purpose and assured him that if he died for it he should have a Martyrs crown in heaven for reward Within foure moneths after this in the Kings chamber at the Louvre a young fellow John Chastel a Novice of the Jesuites encouraged by them did aim the stabbe of his knife into the Kings belly but by Gods providence the King at that instant stooping down to receive the Lords of Ragny and Montiguy the knife ranne into his upper lippe and mouth and breaking out a tooth missed his life the villain had his deserved execution and the order of Jesuits thereupon banished out of France 11. But unhappy Henry readmitted them and founded a Colledge for the bloud-suckers and appointed his heart to be buried with them which relique they longed for with such impatiency that they would not stay till it was cold but sent the devill Ravillack to take out life and all Ravillack confessed his intended parricide to father Aubigny of that Order and shewed him the knife prepared and at execution he confessed that the book of Mariana the Spanish Jesuite was the motive to his villany onely giving this reason of the fact because the King did tolerate two religions in France And thus by two Jesuited knives the last of the line of Valois and the first of Burbon were both brought to their bloudy winding-sheets But I must not forget to note one {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} a high pitch of Papall villany in the story of Henry 3. more then in that of Henry 4 which is to prove Boniface the second and Sixtus Quintus Size-Cinque as the best of Queens called him both to be of the same race of bloudy Judas He in selling the life of the Lord Anointed these in applauding the deaths of the Anointed of the Lord for Boniface approves the murder of the Emperour Maurice and Pope Sixtus in a solemne Oration extolled the Frier that massacred the King of France 12. And now my sacrificing Jesuite stand forth and let us occasionally here try a veny Good Antagonist what say you to your bloudy brethren of the black robe Kings have been murdered before but where was the doctrine of King-killing before there were Jesuites Where may we find the commendatory Orations for parricides but among Popes Papists and Jesuites No sect of hereticks no Turk Jew or Pagan no nor even those of Calicute who adore the devil did ever maintain by the grounds of their religion that it was lawfull to murther Prince or people for quarrell of Religion 13. But because you have not made good your undertaking in the second point viz. for Papall Supremacy you see I have courteously argued it for you by confessing that 1000. years since good prescription Phocas gave your great Master the Pope that great title of Vniversall Bishop you have the story wherefore he gave it it was the price of bloud and it is withall a mark of Antichrist Will you believe a Pope herein You do acknowledge Gregory the great to be as much a Pope as Vrban the eighth and to be as infallible as any I will acknowledge with you that he was as good as any Successour of his these thousand years dare you be tryed by the unerring chair whilst he held it or is your faith changed Mark what he sayes answer it if you can Thus he writes to the Emperour Mauritius upon occasion that John of Constantinople did use that title of Vniversall Bishop f Ipsa Domini nostri Jesu Christi mandata superbi atque pompatici cujusdam sermonis inventione turbantur the very commands of our Lord Jesus Christ are broken by the invention of a certain proud and pompous appellation g Absit à cordi●us Christianorum nomen istud blasphemiae Farre be it from the hearts of Christians this name of blasphemy h In hac ejus superbia quid aliud nisi propin qua jam Antichristi esse tempora designatur In this pride of his what is there else designed but that the times of Antichrist are near at hand And unto John of Constantinople thus he expostulates i Quis rego in hoc tam per
upon two severall points in controversie 1. Proper Sacrifice 2. Papall Supremacy to maintain the Romish assertion wherein he promised to confine his pen within three sheets for each point but borrowing one fortnight and taking six moneths he sent at last six sheets of one and not one line of the other Theam His Argument and my Answer are both subjoyned word for word 4. But some will intercept me with a question What have you been so long in the Court and in the Camp now in stead of some great Court Controversie to disclose a stale contest with a Jesuite Is this a work for these times whilst two sides do bloudily strive in the rage and fury of a civill Warre Is Church and State almost gasping and can a leisure be found for pen-work I answer First it is indeed the present issue of thunder and tempest but was begotten in a quiet serene Next it is a part of the present work in hand for all our difficulties are created or enlarged or both by the Servitours of Rome and then to strike with a pen is as necessary as with the pike Here is a sad breach between a good King and good people and a sad curse will be upon their hearts who have contrived and who do foment it But the crafty Papist at this time is wise enough to take his own interest into consideration and who can shew any argument to induce me to think that a Papist quà Papist can contribute assistance but to enlarge this breach and to mature our ruine All the Romane party in the world doth look upon this Parliament and upon Scotland as upon such opposites to them so contradictoriall so deadly that one must fall both cannot stand and thrive together The Religion of Rome and the Reformation of England can never hence-forward dwell together in this Island And now our wofull experience hath discovered that our wise complying Clergy have been but foolish builders They who thought to tie all together have failed of their project and poore inconsiderate men with pains and care have made the breach farre wider 5. These men will as formerly murmure at my honest endeavours for many there are among them who do really distast that any mans pen should travell abroad unlesse it be one of their own wing What makes a lay man to step within their sevenfold {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Why should a Gentleman salute the Scholars Muses We allow him to be a Master of Art in hawking hunting and horsematches but from Academick studies especially from Theologicall considerations O away procul ô procul ite profani This was made plain unto me when I went to chuse a Colledge and a Tutour for my eldest sonne There wanted not some in the Universitie kindly but with a covert meaning to forewarn me of the charge more plainly they expressed themselves that scholarship is a detriment to elder Brothers Indeed the Piety of the times did then work high and I do confidently believe that a part of the mystery then in working was to draw us all into an indisputed blind obedience but first into ignorance as the sure way thereto If said a Parish-Minister the Gentry were ignorant enough then the Clergie would be rich enough Another Let us get the Laitie to Confession the Clergy power will then be great enough As for soul-feeding the least part of their care my once neighbour-Vicar shall speak for himself and I hope there are no more of so reprobate a badnesse in a dispute upon the allotting of some number of parishioners which he claimed it was argued that his Parish-church could not contain half the souls which he demanded Why said the Vicar what is that to you Let them be laid to my parish let them pay me their tithes and then let them go to the devil to Church if they will This was made known to Archbishop Laud whose Curate the Vicar was but yet the Vicar was thought honest enough because he would read the book of sports and would yield to all that came upon him in the name of authority a O curvae in terris animae coelestium inanes 6. These things and many other of the like nature made me heartily endeavour to put that fatall Archbishop on toward his triall which as the great affairs give time will shortly have it 's deserved issue and I doubt not but as Justice is sacred so also will the care of his great Judges be I forbear to say in how dear esteem I was with many thousands upon that endeavour of mine I remember and I feel some bitternesse of mind to remember how I lost that esteem It is true that I ever reputed the common praise of common people to be but b {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} a certain noise of tongues yet I have since found more cause to acknowledge that God hath a hand even in their mouths and that there is sometimes a {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} somewhat Divine even in the great unitie of popular concurrences 7. In May 1642. the publick affairs did seem every day to grow into danger I began sadly with my self to weigh whither we were going I saw the Divisions would shortly draw out into parties I lay private in a most happy obscurity and then by some of my most inward friends did try if I could begge peace and protection of the Parliament so unwilling was I to have been opposite to the great Senate of the land that I had nothing in my thoughts before a readmission to their favour as some speciall friends can testifie but for an active concurrent assistance for entering into reall service with either of them truth to confesse I did not then like one side or the other so well as to joyn my self with either A composing third way was my wish and my prayer Thus in my weak understanding I was bold in frequent argument to oppose either side whilst I resolved to assist neither All my care was not to trespasse against my inward thoughts and I hope I have in no one action been guilty thereof Yet even he that watcheth the light of reason to be ruled by it and is carefull to observe and follow the inward dictates of his conscience shall to others seem changed when being constant and the same man he still followeth one and the same warrantable guide And therefore with the good Emperour I say c If once I be convinced that I think or do amisse {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} rejoycingly I will change my opinion for I follow Truth which whosoever really doth may unto others seem to change often and yet be constant still 8. Of la●e I am come into the Parliaments protection since when my thoughts have often insisted upon the strangenesse of the quarrell between the King and the two Houses The Professions Declarations and Protests are on both sides the same or so neare