of Yorke and Silby were there present In a booke intituled the burning of Pauls Church in London 1561. and in the fift question moved by a papist it is said that this manner of ministration of Sacraments set forth in the booke of Common prayers was never allowed nor agreed upon c. no not by the Clergie of England at the last Parliament but only it was agreed upon by the Laitie which had nothing a doe with spirituall matters or causes of religion Whereunto the reverend Father Master Pilkington Bishop of M. Pilkington Bishop of Durisme Duresme answering was there not saith he a disputation for Religion appointed by the Queenes Majestie wherein your Clergie was affraid to utter their foolishnesse in defending their superstition lest they had taken more shame in answering than they did in holding their peace I thinke the Vniversities with so many places of this Realme receiving religion and these other disputing for it may bee counted to be some part of the clergie of the Realme And so it was not received without consent of the Clergie But these were not of the Parliament What then But as Ioash Josaphat Ezechias and Iosias did not make a new Religion but restored that which was defaced and had long lyen buried so our Parliament did not set forth a new religion but restore that which was godly begun before the good K. Edward confirmed by the Parliament and Clergie then c. But nothing can bee concluded as a law by Parliament say they without consent of the Clergie there present But this having not their consent cannot be counted a law as they think I had rather saith M. Pilkington leave this to be answered by the Lawyers than otherwise Yet that the world may see that something may be said in it we grant him not this to be true that no law at all can be made without consent of Bishops Look your old statutes of Parliament when Bishops were highest afore Edward the third and ye shall read that they passed by consent of the Lords temporall and commons without any mention of the Lords spirituall which statutes many of them stand in strength at this day Then it may well be gathered that the consent of the Clergie was not alwayes so necessarie as they thinke it The Lawyers Judges and Justicers put in practice and execute these lawes therefore their doings may be a sufficient reason to lead the unlearned what opinion they have of this statutes For Religion except Justice Rastall first executing that and afterward running away may condemne the rest which I trust he may not I thinke they would not execute them except they had the strength and nature of lawes If they doe contrary to their knowledge and opinion they cannot be able to answer their doings but I think no wise men are of this opinion Only these corner creepers that dare not shew their face and would deceive the people go about to deface all good and godly order that displeases them In the dayes of K. Edward they had the like fond opinion that the king could not make lawes in his minoritie untill he came unto full age and to make the people to disobey their Prince Hitherto M. Pilkington L. Bishop of Durisme with whom the most worthy and learned M. Jewell late Bishop of M. Iewel B. of Salisburie Salisburie agreeth in every point The wise and learned faith hee could have told you that in the Parliaments of England matters have evermore used to passe not of necessitie by the speciall consent of the Archbishops and Bishops as if without them no statute might lawfully be enacted but only by the more part of voyces yea although the Archbishops and Bishops were never so earnestly bent against it And statutes so passing in Parliaments onely by the voyces of the Lords temporall without the consent and agreement of the Lords spirituall have neverthelesse beene alwayes confirmed and ratified by the Royall assent of the Prince and have beene enacted and published under the names of the Lords spirituall and temporall Reade saith hee the statutes of King Edward the first there shall ye find that in a Parliament holden at S. Edmundsbury the Archb. and Bishops were quite shut forth and yet the Parliament held on and good and profitable lawes were there enacted the departing or absence or malice of the Bishops spirituall notwithstanding In the Records thereof it is written thus Habito Rex cum suis Baronibus Parliamento Clero excluso statutum est The King keeping a Parliament with his Barons the Clergie that is to say the Archbishops and Bishops being shut forth it was enacted c. In provisione de matrona in the time of K. Edward the third whereas matter was moved of bastardie touching the legitimation of bastards borne before mariage the statute passed wholly with the Lords temporall whether the Lords spirituall would or no. and that contrary to the expresse decrees and canons of the Church of Rome And thus much the most reverend and godly Father M. Iewell Bishop of Salisbury Wherefore to conlude this point against the Admonitors position I dispute thus All those persons who by any necessitie are none of the three estates aâ—d by whose authorities the statutes of England to this day have not stood to leave out the same persons may happily seem a matter of lesse weight than all men do judge it But the Archbishops and Bishops are such persons as by nâ—cessitie are none of the three estates and by whose consents the statutes of England to this day have not stood Therefore to leave out the Archbishops and Bishops may happily seem a matter of lesse weight than all men doe judge it If our Evangelicall Bishops be of that opinion of which the Popish Bishops were viz. that the house of Parliament is an unfit and an unmeet place to have the holy cause of the religion of God debated and concluded upon and that the Laitie without the clergie ought not to conclude any thing in Religion and that in respect hereof their presences their voices and their assents are necessary in the â—arliament If our Evangelicall Prelates I say make this objection then besides that hereby they unseemely unmannerly and unchristianly accuse the whole land of ignorance and blindnesse in religion supposing neither King nor Nobles nor Commons to be able to discern betweene night and day besides this I say so shamefull an abuse of a whole Christian nation I would pray them to remember what the most reverend Fathers Master Pilkington and Master Iewell have answered to such cavillous slanders For what else intended they by many examples and proofes brought for the Parliaments of England consisting of the King the Nobles and the Commons to be lawfull Parliaments and to have right to establish religion but to justifie against Popish scoffers that religion might be conceived and established in Parliament notwithstanding the absence or exclusion of the Clergie Besides since our
lawes doe uphold the state and authoritie of the Convocation house for the examination of all causes Matters of religion not concluded in parliament before the same bee consulted of in convocation of Religion surely it cannot be truly averred that it is necessarie for Evangelicall Bishops to be members of the Parliamenthouse lest controversie of Religion should bee handled and discussed without them For how should any matter of religion bee concluded without them in Parliament when first of all the same is to be argued among themselves in convocation Or let them hardly if they can shew any one instance of any change or alteration either from religion to superstition or from superstition to religion to have beene made in Parliament unlesse the same freely and at large have beene first agreed upon in their Synodes and Convocations And what booteth it then to have a double or treble consultation and consent of Archbishops and Bishops in parliament Is the holy cause of God any whit bettered by their Bishops riding from Pauls to Westminster Or can it receive any more strength by their walking from Westminster Church to Westminster palace Nay it hath beene often times so farre from being promoted by their bishops as not only in their convocations but also in the Queenes parliaments the same thing hath beene shamefully intreated and taken the foyle as may witnesle the bill for the better observation of the Sabboth 27. Eliz. which being passed by both houses of parliament was notwithstanding gainesaid and withstood by none so much as by certaine Evangelicall bishops and which as there all men generally conceived was only stayed from being made a law by the Queene upon their counsell and perswasion ADMONITION Pag. â—8 It hath beene alwayes daugerous to picke quarrels against lawes setled ASSERTION And is it not morbus haereditarius in Prelates to pick quarrels against reformation of errours For even this did Stephen Gardener Stephen Gardeners argument and the adâ—onitors argument in effect one reason against the Lord Protector That in no case saith Stephen Gardener is to be attempted of the Lord Protector which may bring both danger to him and trouble to the whole Realme But innovation of Religion from that state wherein K. Henry left it may be and is like to be dangerous to the Lord Protector and to baeed troubles to the whole Realme Therefore innovation of Religion from the state that K. Henry left it is in no wise to be attempted And even of this stamp and of this streyne is the argument of pickking quarrels against laws setled for thus in effect he argueth That Discipline in no case is to bee brought into the Church by the King and Parliament which may be dangerous to lawes setled But to bring into the Church the Apostolicall discipline may be dangerous to lawes setled Therefore the Apostolicall Discipline in no case is to be brought into the Church by the King and Parliament But forasmuch as that noble and religious Lord Protector notwithstanding Stephen Gardeners sophistry continued constant and couragious in the abolishment of popery and superstition which king Henry left and did without dangerous alteration of laws then setled innovate religion How much more now may the Kings Majestie the Lords and Commons in Parliament attempt with effect an innovation of that state of Ecclesiasticall government wherein the Queene left the Church And if it cannot be denyed but it had beene far more dangerous for the Realm and for the Lord Protector not to have setled the holy doctrine of the everlasting Gospell by Lesse danger to reforme the Church â—y nâ—w lawes than to câ—ntinue corruption by old laws new lawes than to have maintained and continued antichristianitie by old lawes how should it be lesse danger for the king in these dayes to continue corruptions in the Church by toleration of old lawes than to have the same corruptions reformed by establishment of new lawes But unto whom or unto what hath it beene dangerous to pick quarrells against lawes setled Wha hath it beene dangerous to lawes setled No. For how should lawes setled be indangered by quarrelers sithence quarrellers are evermore in danger of lawes setled Or hath it beene alwayes dangerous for a king for a State for a people or for a Countrey to pick quarrels against lawes setled No. For what man is he or what face carrieth he that dare upbraid a countrey a people a State or a King minding to unsettle evill lawes and evill customes to be quarrellers against lawes setled Let it then only be dangerous for private persons upon private male-contentment to pick quarrels against good lawes well and rightly setled and let it not be hurtfull or dangerous for supreme Kings powers and principalities by publike edicts to alter evill lawes evilly setled For to what other end should evill lawes evilly setled be continued but to continue evill And what a thing were that This argument then for lawes setled being the sophisme of that Fox Stephen Gardener is but a quarrelsome and wrangling argument ADMONITION If this government whereof they speake be as they say necessary Pag. 78. in all places then must they have of necessitie in every particular parish one Pastor a company of Seniors and a Deacon or two at the least and all those to be found of the parish because they must leave their occupations to attend upon the matters of the Church But there are a number of Parishes in England not able to finde one tolerable Minister much lesse to finde such a company ASSERTION This argument seemeth to be drawne from kitchin profit and is but a bugbegger to scarre covetous men from submitting their necks unto the yoke of that holy discipline which our Saviour Christ hath prescribed and which the Admonitor himselfe confesseth to have beene practised by the Apostles and primitive Church And yet because this argument seemeth to lay a very heavie burden on mens shoulders such as is impossible to be borne it is an argument worthy That seniours and Deacons should bee found at the charge of the Parish is absurd to be examined though in it self the same be very untrue and absurd For who did ever fancy that a Pastor a company of Seniours and a Deacon or two at the least should be men of occupations or that they should be all found of the parish because they must leave their occupations to attend upon the matters of the Church Why there be many hundreds of parishes in England wherein there dwelleth not one man of an occupation And what reason then or what likelyhood of reason was there to father such an absurd necessitie upon the Church As for the necessitie of having one Pastour in every partilar parish and of his finding by the parish because it is his duety to attend upon reading exhortation and doctrine although he bee no man of occupation this I say is agreeable and consonant to the government of the Church practised by
they undertake and whose glory they advance to bee a friend unto their friends and an enemie unto their enemies And if our Nobles and our Commons bee all hushed if they bee all at sleep at peace and at rest wee may cast away all feare and bee past all doubt that the King can not but holily recreate and solace himselâ—e and that his gray haires whensoever they shall come shall never bee brought to the grave in sorrow but in a good and perfect age and peace But happily it may be replyed that some of our Nobles and most of our `` Commons be so backwardly affected of the truth of Religion Pag. 79. as that rather they would turne head upon the Gospell than Pag. 79. brooke an alteration of Archiepiscopall Episcopall and Archidiaconall Church governement In deed if a reformation of the state of the Clergie were attempted by any other meanes than by publike tractation and consent of Parliament I could not but leane unto this opinion that the attempting thereof might bring an overthrow to the attempters Because the same attempt should be dishonourable to the name of God as being contrary to the forme of doctrine received But since things amisse are required to be redressed by the King and Parliament alone this objection is altogether vaine and frivelous and is already sufficiently convinced by that peaceable agreement betweene Nobles and Commons before remembred But let us wade a little deeper and search a little more narrowly into every veine creeke and corner of this supposition And let us see by what manner of persons this pretensed overthrow of the Gospell might bee wrought All carnall sensuall and earthly men either whose belly is their No feare that prophane men will overthrow the Gospell god or whose God is this world all such men I say as in every age be of Domingoes religion namely just and jump of that religion which the King and State professe they are so farre from attempting ought to overthrow the Gospell as under the shadow of the name thereof they will evermore croud and cover their carnalitie and prophannesse For they being evermore of every religion and so indeed of no religion and passing not whether our Saviour Christ or Beliall be their God sing as the Poet singeth Ais Aio Negas Nego beck and bow cap and knee to whatsoever the State and Law commands If the King be a Gospeller the Gospel the Gospel and naught else but the Gospel shall be found to roule in their mouthes But let the Crowne once turne by and by they have turned their Coates and as weaher-cocks with every puffe of winde are huffed about Whatsoever order or manner of government bee planted or displanted in the Church the same shall bee no corosive to them It shall never sticke in these mens stomacks neither will they lay it to their heartes The King and the Counsell is wise enough and know what they have to doe well enough They will not bee more forward nor wiser than the Prince they will not checke and controll the whole Realme They cannot brooke these busie bodies and medlers in matters above their reach They will bee none of these new fangled and precise fooles they will not be backward and come behinde the law as the Papists doe neither will they be too forward and runne before the law as the Puritans doe But they will behave themselves in all things and at all seasons as discreet and politike Protestants ought to doe conforming and submitting themselves alwayes to all order and authoritie of the Queenes booke and lawes setled Yea and though they be not booke learned nor any pen Clerks yet they believe well And therefore they will goe to the Church and say a few prayers yea and they will receive the Sacrament at Easter as devoutly as the best precisian of them all All these Atheists and godlesse men being neither hot nor cold neither fish nor flesh nor good red herring plant what plants you will and sowe what seeds you list yea make what ditch hedge pale wall or sence you please they set cocke upon hoope and passe not a button for it every season be it wet or be it dry every kind of land be it clay or be it sand every surrow be it broad or be it narrow be it deepe or be it shallow pleaseth these medley coates alike They are like unto Iacobs Ewes which having straked and party coloured rods laid before them in the gutters at a ramming time brought forth none other but party coloured Lambes And therefore they will never stir hand nor foot nor once step over a straw to worke any Admonitory protestants by their owne doctrine ought not to binde the Church to a perpetuall goveâ—nment of prelacie least annoyance to the Gospell It is good sleeping alwayes for these men in a whole skinne And not much unlike to these party coloured sleepers are the admonitorie protestants For they as the dutie of faithfull subjects doe bind them living in a state of the Church reformed and having libertie in externall government and other outward orders to choose such as they thinke in wisedome and godlinesse to be most convenient for the state of their countrey and disposition of the people and having the consent of their godly Magistrates to that outward forme of jurisdiction and deciding of Ecclesiasticall causes these kinde of protestants I say alwayes blowing out the trumpet of obedience and crying an alarum of loyaltie to every ordinance of man and gravely wisely and stoutly demeaning themselves against all the giddie heads and fanaticall schismatikes and wrangling spirits of our age dare not I trow slip the collar nor cast off the yoke dare not push with the horne nor wince with the heele against the Gospell If so bee by the authoritie of our Christian King with the consent of his Parliament the platforme of govern as he saith devised by some of our neighbour Churches but as we and they themselves confesse practised by the Apostles and Primitive Church might bee received and established to be the best and fittest order of governement for the Church of England as well as it hath been a long time and yet is of Scotland and of most of all other Christian Churches For if it be too great a bridle of Christian libertie as they say in things externall to cast upon the Church of Christ a perpetuall commandement and if the Church have free libertie to make choise of what government soever she thinketh convenient then is she neither restrained at her pleasure to forsake that which by long experience she hath found to be inconvenient neither is she tyed still to retaine Archiepiscopall Episcopall and Archidiaconall governement though for a long season the same have beene used For that indeed might well and justly be said be too to great a bridle of Christian libertie when by necessitie there is cast upon the Church such a perpetuall regiment of prelacy as may
Seniour or Deacon Therefore much lesse shall every Parish be burdened to find a company of Seniours c Where the Admonitor complaineth that many parishes are not Tolerable and intolerable Ministers able to finde one tolerable Minister we would gladly learne by what brand tolerable Ministers are knowne from intolerable Ministers according as the Lords spirituall judge or judge not of tolerable and untolerable Ministers For if all reading Ministers as needes with them they must bee or else why doe they tolerate them bee tolerable Ministers what a vaine and idle distinction hath hee coyned touching the scarcitie of maintenance for tolerable Ministers Considering all Ministers by intendment of law bee able to reade and considering also a very small maintenance is esteemed to bee a tolerable maintenance for reading Ministers For else why doe the great Bishops in their great Churches of Commendams and the rich Doctors in their rich Churches of non residencies make so small allowances to their reading and stipendarie Curates And where then is that parish in England that is not able to maintaine a tolerable Minister ADMONITION The next Argument that the people might not choose their Pastours Pag. 78. Elders and Deacons as is required is drawne partly from a feare that the same will be a matter of schisme discord and dâ—ssenâ—ion in many places partly from affection and want of right judgement of the people partly from the unrulinesse of the Parishes and partly from the broyle and trouble which may follow ASSERTION Vnto this objection if I should answer nothing at all but only should The objection of feare c. answered deny that any feare or any other inconvenience at all pretended in this place is to be feared to ensue my simple negation were more to be tolerated than his simple affirmation for by the canon Law non inficienti sed ponenti incumbit onus probandi And yet because Doct. in â—si cui de prebâ—â—â— the Lord hath spoken unto Iosua and in him unto us all that wee should not feare nor be discouraged to observe and to doe all that is written in the law for then sâ—ith the Lord shalt thou make thy way prosperous and then shalt thou have good successe therefore in the word of the Lord I say that none of all this feare broyle trouble or turmoyle is to be feared at all Nay that it is most assuredly and without all doubt to be hoped and looked for that he would so blesse the attempt of putting this order in execution as that the peoples approbation and allowance of their Ministers should be a matter of all peace quietnesse unitie concord good successe and prosperitie to the whole Church of God in England For what an heathenish incredulitie were it for us to reply upon the erroneous conceit of a timorous and suspicious fancy that feare and I wot not what unrulinesse and unquietnesse shall follow when wee receiving the lawes of peace from the Prince of peace have his most stable truth that his peace shall rest upon us and that all feare and evill successe shall cease and vanish away No busie headed body therefore shall be able to leade any man away to disquiet either Church or common wealth otherwise than as the Church in all ages by the malice of Satan and his instruments hath evermore beene disquieted if once the holy law of the Gospell touching this point were observed and put in ure And if it be feared that the choice to be made by the people of God and which is allowed unto them by the holy laws of God would prove to be a matter of schisme discord and dissention how much more reason have we to feare that the fiâ—e of schisme discord and dissention being blowen already should not breake out and fame among us if still one man alone be suffered to thrust upon the people of God not tolerable Ministers according to Gods heart but intolerable Ministers according to mans tradition The Admonitor hath insinuated unto us often in his Admonition that it is dangerous to innovate And so I say too unlesse there be evident â—â—de constitu prim L. 2. utilitie of innovation For saith the Emperour in rebus novis constituendis evidens esse utilitas debet ut ab eo jure recedatur quod diu aequum visum est But is it not as perillous yea sometimes much more perillous not to innovate for proof whereof it shall suffice to take witnesse of our owne times and of our owne experiences It seemed equall a long time and for many yeares that the Sacrifice of the Masse with all the pelf and trumperie thereof should not once be Dangerous to innovate unlesse ther be evident utilitiâ— of innovation spoken against But we all know that the abandoning thereof hath not yet brought any perillous subversion upon any nation that purely and soundly in place thereof hath embraced the holy sacrament of the Lords Supper It seemeth also to be equall for many ages past that the Bishop of Rome might have supreme and absolute power over all persons states and causes not onely in Rome Italy Spaine Germany and other forraigne kingdomes but also in England and Scotland But as yet to the view of all the world it hath not proved perillous for the King and Queene of England and Scotland to establish new laws for the alteration of that ancient abuse And why hath it not been dangerous so to do Why forsooth because there was evident utility in doing of it But how could an evident utilitie appeare before it was done How Forsooth because the holy law of God had warranted an alteration For faith having eyes to see the wisedome the power and the truth of God in his word discerned a far off that the institution of the Lords Supper was long before the sacrifice of the masse And therefore our Kings by abandoning poperie out of the Realme did not institute any new religion but onely they restored the old Now then if a same holy law of God do condemn the choice and thrusting of the pastour upon the people by one man alone and again it the same Law doe impugne the primacie of one pastour over all Pastours as well in a Diocesse or Province as in the whole West part of Christendome what danger can it be not to disfranchise the one sithence without any manner of danger we have abolished the other or what perill can it be not to countenance the sonnes sithence without perill we have discountenanced the father Especially seeing in this place of the admonition wee have a plaine confession that the common manner of election of Pastors Elders and Deacons in the old Churches was made by the people For if the examples of schism discord and contention did commonly appeare in the old Churches while that manner of election did continue then by his owne mouth Common manner of elections in the old churches was by the people that manner of election