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A61451	An apology for the ancient right and power of the bishops to sit and vote in parliaments ... with an answer to the reasons maintained by Dr. Burgesse and many others against the votes of bishops : a determination at Cambridge of the learned and reverend Dr. Davenant, B. of Salisbury, Englished : the speech in Parliament made by Dr. Williams, L. Archbishop of York, in defence of the bishops : two speeches spoken in the House of Lords by the Lord Viscount Newarke, 1641.	Stephens, Jeremiah, 1591-1665.; Davenant, John, ca. 1572-1641.; Williams, John, 1582-1650.; Newark, David Leslie, Baron, d. 1682.	1660 (1660)	Wing S5446; ESTC R18087	87,157	146

the Councel of Clarendon under Hen. 2. Wherein the Clergy were inforced to appear in the Temporal Courts one Canon thereof being Clerici accusati de quacunque re summoniti a Iusticiario Regis veniant in Curiam responsuri ibidem de hoc unde videbitur Curiae Regis quid ibi sit respondendum in Curia Eeclesiastica unde videbitur quod ibi sit respondendum It a quod Regis Iusticiarius mittet in Curiam sanctae Ecclesia ad videndum quomodo res ibi tractabitur si Clericus vel confessus vel convictus fuerit non debet eum de caetero Ecclesia tueri But touching this and the rest of the Constitutions in that Council Math. Paris doth sharply inveigh against them Hanc Recognitionem five Recordationem de Consuetudinibus libertatibus iniquis dignitatibus Deo detestabilibus Archiepiscopi Episcopi clerus cum Comitibus Baronibus proceribus juraverunt And as he addeth His itaque gestis potestas laica in res personas Ecclesiasticas omnia pro libitu Ecclesiastico jure contempto tacentibus aut vix murmur antibus Episcopis potius quam resistentibus usurpabat And this appeareth also by that which Selden relateth in his notes upon Eadner pag. 268. that long after in Edward the seconds time the Clergy had so many oppositions and hinderances in their proceedings from the Temporal Courts that they exhibited a petition in Parliament wherein they recite the grant and constitution of Will 2. allowing them their own Courts by themselves and specify their complaints particularly which he calleth Gravamina Ecclesiae Anglicanae and saith they are those mentioned in the proem of Arti●uli Cleri And in this age we have great cause to complain of Prohibitions but thereof I will say no more now as for the Temporal Courts the Conquerour appointed them to follow his Court royal which Custome continued for many years till under King Iohn at the instant request of the nobility it was granted Ut Communia placita non sequerentur Curiam i. e. Regis sed in loco certo tenerentur That the Court of Justice for Common Pleas should not follow the Kings Court Royal but be held in a place certain as now commonly they are in Westminster-Hall Whereas before the Kings appointed one Grand Lord Chief Justice of all England who for his authority and power was a greater officer both of State and Justice then any in these last ages and ever since that the greatness of that office was abated by King Edw. 1. most of those great Justices were Bishops as Sir Henry Spelman sheweth in his Caralogue of them Glossar pag. 401. Dignitate omnes Reges proceres potestate omnes superabat Magistratus De potestate valde inter alia claret quod quatuor summorum judicum hodiernorum muneribus solus aliquando fungeretur scilicet Capitalis Iustitiarii Banci Regis id est pl●citorum Coronae seu criminalium Capitalis Iusticiarii Banci Communis id est placitorum Civilium Capitalis Baronis Scacarii hoc est Curiae ad s●crum patrimonium fiscum pertinentis c. Most of these great Justices were Bishops as appears by the Catalogue of them they being the principal men for Knowledge and Learning in those dayes and had no doubt power of voting in all Parliaments Councils and assemblies of State And so in these later times Lord Coke sheweth their abilities and rights 4. Instit. pag. 321. The King is well apprised of all his Judges which he hath within his realm as well spiritual as temporal as Arch-bishops Bishops and their officers Deanes and other Ministers who have spiritual jurisdiction It is declared by the King the Lords Spiritual and Temporal and the Commons in full Parliament That the spiritualty now being called the English Church always hath been reputed and also found of that sort that both for knowledge integrity and sufficiency of number it hath been alwayes thought and is also at this hour sufficient and meet of it self without the intermedling of any exterior person or persons to declare and determine of such doubts and to administer all such offices and duties as to their rooms spiritual doth appertain The Adversaries have made divers objections against our Arch-bishops and Bishops Ever since saith Coke But these pretences being in truth but meer Cavils tending to the scandal of the Clergy being one of the greatest States of the realm as it is said in the Statute of 8. Eliz. cap. 1. are fully answered by the said Statute and Provision made by authority of that Parliament for the establishing of the Arch-bishops and Bishops both in praesenti in futuro in their Bishopricks By the Statute also of 39 Eliz. cap. 8. the Arch-bishops and Bishops are adjudged lawful as by the said Act appeareth And by these two Statutes these and all other objections against our Bishops one hath answered which we have thought good to remember seeing we are to treat of their jurisdiction Ut obstruatur os iniquae loquentium saith Lord Coke Yet the fury and rage of these times have stirred up more anger which in the issue will turn to the Confusion and Dishonour of them that began these wars and broyles against the Church and Bishops and fundamental Laws and Statutes which have so fully asserted their rights and authority Thus the Lord Coke premiseth being to treat of the Ecclesiastical Courts and all the jurisdiction belonging to the Clergy and established by the fundamental Laws of the Land against both Papists and Puritans and first he beginneth with the Court of Convocation and of the high Commission in Causes Ecclesiastical which is absolutely necessary for the suppression of all manner of Errots Heresies Schismes abuses offences Contempts and enormities But upon suppression of this Court by the late long Parliament there hath broken forth such an infinite number of heresies schismes sectaries and a rascal rabble of factions as is prodigious to relate and intolerable to be suffered For as it is in the Common Law if there were not Assises and Sessions to punish Malefactors Theeves Cu●purses Offenders and Rogues of all sorts the Land would be so Oppressed with the Multitudes of them no man could enjoy his house or goods freehold or life therefore in London they have every moneth a publick sessions to punish Condemn and Execute all sorts of Malefactors And Corporations in principal Cities have the like authority by Commission and Patent from the King But for the high Commission to punish Offenders against Religion and the Church Lord Coke saith pag. 331. That the Kings Majesty hath and Queen Elizabeth had before him as great and ample Supremacy and jurisdiction Ecclesiastical as ever King of England had before them and that had justly and rightly pertained to them by divers other Acts and by the ancient Laws of England if the said clause of annexation in the said Statute of 1. Eliz. had never been inserted That it was a g●osse Error

degree then in the time of Hen. 8. Iohn Pym in another Speech 4. Caroli would have the Arminian points setled and determined in parliament viz Concerning Predestination Absolute Reprobation Universal Grace Free-will and Final perseverance before the King should have Subsidies granted Tunnage or poundage But if they would give no money to the King till those difficult poins be cleared and resolved the King must never have any Subsidies granted For those Questions are so mysterious and abstruse that all the Divines in the world cannot yet resolve fully upon them But these and such like difficult questions in Divinity belong to the Convocation of the Clergy as Cook sheweth Instit. pag. 322. and they are to be called in time of parliaments by the Kings Writ and are to proceed juxta legem divinam Canones sanctae Ecclesiae saith Cook ibid. And they are divided into two parts viz. The Upper House where the Arch-bishops and Bishops sit and the lower House where the rest do sit And they have two prolocutors one of the Bishops of the Higher House chosen by that House another of the lower house and presented to the Bishops for their prolocutor Cook ibid. The Convocation of the Clergy made the thirty nine Articles of Religion the Common prayer Book and the Book of ordination of Bishops priests and Deacons and the Book of Canons To all which what subscription is required by Law Lord Coke sheweth pag. 323. But in the late long parliament all these Books and good orders are cast aside and neglected and nothing established in stead thereof But it is hoped that the most excellent and gracious King Charles the Second will so confirrm the Truth of our Religion and all good orders Laws Customes and Rights as there shall be a full and happy Conclusion of all differences and the peace of the Kingdome and Church established to the advancement of Gods glory and the rejoycing of all that are truly wise and religious Lord Cook sheweth pag. 325. How the Commission Court for causes Ecclesiastical was setled That such Iurisdiction Spiritual or Ecclesiastical as by any Spiritual or Ecclesiastical Power or Authority hath heretofore been or lawfully may be exercised or used for the Uisitation of the Ecclesiastical State and Persons And for Reformation Order and Correction of the same and of all manner of Errors Heresies Schisms Abuses Offences Contempts and Enormities shall for ever be united and annexed to the Imperial Crown of this Realm But not to the House of Commons or any others but by the dissolution of the high Commission and all other Courts Ecclesiastical there is risen up such an infinite and prodigious number of sectaries factions divisions in Religion enormities and disorders as is lamentable to behold and all scandalous sins as adultery fornication incest and such as ought not to be named among Christians go unpunished dayly If a bastard Child be gotten the Justices of the peace do only take care for keeping of the bastard but for the offence and scandal given to Religion they do nothing that belongeth to the Ecclesiastical Court to injoyn what pennance is fitting according to Ecclesiastical Laws which have been neglected too much of late though they are ancient and fundamental as well as any Common Laws But it is testified fully by the best learned Divines in forraign Countries that our Church of England was the onely Church reformed by peaceable means and gracious Princes whereas others in France Germany and other places were reformed most part by tumults and violent wars Beza from Geneva said of the Reformation by Queen Elizabeth Doctrinae puritas viget in Anglia pure sincere so said Peter Martyr and Zanchy and Damens when they saw the Confession of our faith in the thirty nine Articles and others parts of our Reformation so excellently defended by the Renowned Bishop Iewell in his Apology and Defence thereof against Harding the Papist books far more excellent and pious then ever Cartwright or any Presbyterian published and of late times the learned Deodatus professor at Geneva doth magnifie the Church of England as the most eminent of all the Reformed Churches stiling it Florentissima Anglia ocellus ille Ecclesiarum peculium Christi singulare Perfugium afflictorum imbellium Armamentarium inopum promptuarium spei melioris vexillum splendidae Domini Caulae and much more he addeth speaking of our happiness before these troubles and so it might have continued still if the Clergy might have enjoyed those rights and priviledges which the priesthood of God did anciently enjoy in all ages for in the Law of nature before Moses the priesthood was honourable Priests being then the first born and eldest sons of the Family not younger Brethren or poor fellows of the bas●st of the people How honorable the Priesthood was in the tribe of Levi is well known Sir Iames Sempill a learned Knight of Scotland doth shew it fully in his book of Sacriledge in many places Cap. 6. Sect. 4. speaking of the dignity of the Church ministry of old For tithes inheritance in the person of one Royal Melchisedeck Royal I say in regard of the great odds between that and this our age now For of old as writeth Iosephus the true mark of nobility was to derive a mans Pedigree from the Priesthood so Iosephus was a Gentleman because 〈◊〉 sanguine sacerdotali And in our time the onely best Tenure and Holding of Possessions was to hold of the Church but now all to the contrary For Rome hath frustrate her ministry of Matrimony and we at home ours of their patrimony She can bring forth no well begotten Children and we but few well beneficed Church men No Iosephs in her and all Iobs with us and instead to hold of the Church we hold all from the Church both much amiss And as he saith in his preface to King Iames Truely it never goeth better then when the Church Courteth it and the Court Churcheth it for Moses and Aaron were Brothers Well might the Learned and Religious Knight complain that things are much amiss when in the times of the light of Learning and Religion reformed hath in great measure flourished among us but of late been so defaced and deformed that it is lamentable to report more of it the Enormities being so great and scandalous that unless the Kings Majesty out of his singular piety and wisdome do resume the ancient Jurisdiction of his Crown Who onely hath the proper power and authority to reform and correct all manner of Heresies Schismes Abuses Offences Contempts and Enormitie as are the express words of the Statute 1 Eliz. as they are recited and inforced by Lord Coke 4. Instit. Pag. 325. there can be little hope of Redress but as the Queen then did assign and authorise Commissioners to execute this Jurisdiction so it may be now done Commissioners may be appointed by the King to perform and execute his power in as full and ample manner as Queen Elizabeth did and

the Union of Courts in England continued till the time of William the Conquerour as the learned Antiqu●ry Spelman sheweth in his Glossary in Cotes pag. 3. Mun●s comitis judiciarium fuit vim injuriam prohibere latrocinia compescere pacem regiam non solum legum tramite sed armis etiam promovere jura regia vectigalia curare colligere fisco inferre Praesidebat autem foro comitatus non solus sed adjunctus Episcopo hic ut jus divinum ille ut humanum dic●ret alter que alteri auxili● esset consilio presertim Episcopus comiti 〈◊〉 in hunc illi animadvertere saepe licuit errante●● cohibere Idem igitur ●trique territorium jurisdictionis terminus Hereby it appears that the Bishop and Earl of the Coun●y were joint governours but the Bishop was principal for he had power to restrain the Earl if he did do amisse the Bishop being learned but the Laity in those days altogether destitute of Learning and Knowledge So that it is certain that the Bishop and the Earl or Aldermen sate both together in the same Court together with their Assistants and Surrogates and so 〈◊〉 assist each other with Counsel and authority and in the forenoon they heard Church causes and in the Afternoon temporal business This manner did preserve amity between the Clergy and the Laity that they did not clash for jurisdiction by sending prohibitions Injunctions and cross orders as in our times which do occasion great vexation to the people and prolonging of Suits and doth multiply charges extreamly It is therefore certain that the Bishops and principal Clergy were always of great authority in our Kingdome especially for making of Laws and Constitutions of all kinds and executing of them which is manifest by all the Laws themselves of the Svxon Kings for about 500. years before the Conquest Wherein they first testifie that the Laws were made by the consent suffrage and approbation of the Bishops First Ethelbert the first Christian King of the Saxons made Laws which are entituled thus Haec sunt Decreta seu Iudicia qu● Ethelbe●●us Ren conslitu● Tempore Augustini As Sir Henry Spelman hath recorded them in his Comments pag. 127. All the Laws then made are not recited by Spelman but they are extant in the old Book called Textus Roffensis Written by Ernulph a Bishop of Rochester Beda de his scribit lib. 2. cap. 5. Mortem sepulturam Ethelberti referens Inter ●aetera iniquit bona quae genti suae cansulendo conferebat etiam decreta illi Iudiciorum juxta exempla Romanorum cum Consilio sapientum constituit Quae conscripta Anglorum sermone hactenus habentur observantur ab ea In quibus primitus posuit qualiter id emendare deberet qui aliquid rerum Episcopi vel reliquorum ordinem auferret volens scilicet tuitionem●●is quorum doctrinam successerat praestare Sequuntur multa ad vitae probitatem morum Correctionem pertinentia saith Spelman in his Notes Which Laws were casually omitted by my absence from the Presse at that instant but shall be added if ever a second edition be made But certainly Augustin was the principal Bishop that did make these Laws though other names are not put down but his only being the principal Yet in other Councils following divers Bishops are mentioned as in the Laws made by King Ina. Anno 693. Ego Ina Dei gratia West-Saxonum Rex exhortatione doctrina Cennedes patris mei Heddes Episcopi mei Erkenwaldes Episcopi mei omnium Aldermanorum meorum seniorum sapientum Regni mei Constitui c. So in the beginning of King Aethelstan Ego Adelstanus Rex Consilio Wulfelmi Archiepiscopi mei aliorum Episcoporum meorum mando praepositis meis omnibus Likewise in the lawes of King Edmund Edmundus Rex congregavit magnam Synodum Dei ordinis seculi apud London Civitatem in Sancto Paschae solennis ●ui interfuit Odo Wulstanus Archiepiscopi alii plures Episcopi c. The same appears by the Subscriptions to the laws made by the Bishops and principal Clergy and Abbots of their several times which are so frequent to be observed in all ancient Charters and laws in the first Tome of our English Councils that I will forbear many particulars only one for example sake being the Custome then to testifie their approbations not by voting but by subscribing their names to approve and grant the laws made in Parliament and not to refer all to a Register or Clerk to take notice of what is granted and by what persons present The Subscriptions to a Charter of King Edgar to The Monastery of Glasten Ego Edgar Rex totius Britanniae praefatam libertatem cum sigillo sanctae Crucis confirmavi Ego Elfgina ejusdem Regis Mater cum gaudio consensi Ego Edward clito Patris mei donum cum Triumpho sanctae crucis impressi Ego Kinedrius Rex Albaniae adquievi Ego Mascusius Archipirata confortavi Ego Dunstanus Dorobernensis Ecclesiae Archiepiscopus cum Trophaeo sanctae Crucis cum suffr●ganeis praesulibus Regis donum corroboravi Ego Oswald Eboracensis Ecclesiae primas consentioni subscripsi Ego Ethelnoldo Wintoniensis Ecclesiae Minister Glasten Monachus signum sanctae crucis impressi Ego Britchtelm Fontarensis Episcopns consentiens corroboravi Ego Ellslam Episcopus confirmavi Ego Oswald Episcopus adquievi Ego Elfnolde Episcopus concessi Ego Winsige Episcopus cum signo sanctae Crucis conclusi Ego Segegar abbas vexillum sanctae crucis impressi Ego Escui abbas confirmavi Ego Ordgar abbas corroboravi Ego Ethelgar abbas concessi Ego Kinword abas Concessi Ego Fideman abbas consolidavi Ego Elphets Abbas subscripsi Ego Adulf Herefordensis Ecclesiae Catascopus corroboravi Ego Elphene Dux Dominae meae sanctae Mariae Glasteniensis Ecclesiae libertatem omni devotione cum sigillo sanctae crucis confirmavi Ego Osl●ck dux consensi Ego Ethelwine dux hoc donum triumphale hagiae crucis propriae manus depictione impressi Ego Osnald minister confirmavi Ego Elfwurde minister corroboravi Ego Elthesie minister consensi Ego El●kie minister consensi Thus first the King Queen and Prince do subscribe then the Bishops afterward the Abbots and lastly the Noble-men howsoever they were then called The Bishops in all other Christian Kingdomes as in the Empire of Germany France Spain Portugal Poland Hungary and all others as Denmark and Sweden since the Change of Religion there have place and power in all their Parliaments and publick Assembies The Bishops Electors of Germany Ments Triers and Colen have place and precedency of the Temporal Electors the Duke of Bavaria Saxony and Brandenburgh as our Bishops had place sitting on the right hand of the King in the House of Lords and the Temporal Lords on the left hand And also out of the House the Bishops had precedency of all Barons

And the two Arch-bishops of Canterbury and York had place of any great Temporal Lords Dukes Earls and Marquesses or great Officers as appears by the Statute of 31. Hen. 8. c●p 10. and Lord Cooke 4. Instit. pag. 361. and to what end should they hold such priviledges and places of Honour in Parliament unlesse they had the right and power of voting in all Cases unlesse in cases of blood and all our ancient Parliaments and Statutes do fully reckon the Lords Spiritual in the first place and then the Lords Temporal and lastly the House of Commons These being the three estates in Parliament but the Kings person doth not make one of the three estates as some of late have affirmed but Lord Cook the great Oracle of our Common-Law doth otherwise account 4. Instit. cap. 1. Shewing of what persons the Parliament consisteth This Court consisteth of the Kings Majesty sitting there as in his Royal politick capacity and of the three estates of the Realm viz. First Are the Lords Spiritual Arch-bishops and Bishops being in number 26. who sit there by Succession in respect of their Counties or Baronies parcel of their Bishopricks which they hold also in their politick Capacity And every one of these when any Parliament is to be holden ought ex debito justitiae to have a Writ of Summons 2. The Lords Temporal Dukes Marquesses Earls Uiscounts and Barons who sit there by reason of their dignities which they hold by Descent or Creation in number at this time 106. and likewise every one of these being of full age ought to have a Writ of Summons ex debito justitiae 3. The third estate is the Commons of the Realm whereof there be Knights of Shires or Counties Citizens of Cities and Burgesses of Burroughs All which are respectively elected by the Shires or Counties Cities and Burroughs by force of the Kings Writ ex debito justitiae And none of them ought to be omitted and these represent all the Commons of the whole Realm and trusted for them and are in number at this day 493. In the beginning Romulus ordained a hundred Senators for the good Government of the Common-wealth afterwards they grew to 300. and so many were of the House of Commons in Fortescues time cap 18 fol. 40. as Lord Coke alledgeth him How the number of the Commons is increased to 500. or more let them inquire that please perhaps the number of Burgesses of Corporation and some Towns which the Kings have lately allowed to come unto the Parliaments may be a reason of their great increase Lord Coke saith that anciently when the Parliaments were holden at Westminster the Commons ●ate in the Chapter-House of the Abbot of Westminster and the Common Chronicles do mention that heretofore in the time of H. 8. The Commons sate in the Black Friers where there were many large Chambers and Rooms But since the distinction of Cottages and free-Chappells 1. Ed 6. c. 14. The Commons sit in the ancient and beautiful Chappel of St. Stephens Abbey founded by King Stephen so that they now sit in the Temple of God The learned Montague against Selden cap. 1. pag. 290 saith that Sedet in Templo Dei may be understood either Materiraliter as the great Turk doth whose palace is that which sometimes was the chief patriarchal Church built by Iustinian the Emperor the Church of sancta Sophia or spiritualiter taking it for contra Ecclesiam Dei by persecuting Christians in quantum Christians for that they profess the name of Christ Jesus who are the living Temples of the Holy Ghost c. The Bishops presence and voting in the Parliaments may well seem necessary in these times when the Parliament doth undertake to determine Controversies of Religion of the greatest difficulty as of predestination absolute Reprobation universal Grace Free-will and final perseverance Sir Iohn Eliott and Iohn Pym zealous men in Religion would not yield to the King 40 Caroli Tunnage and Poundage till they had first setled Religion touching the points of Ariminianisme they accounting that Arminius was an upstart Heretick very dangerous to the truth as Rushworth relateth in his Collections p. 659. Now if Parliaments will undertake to dispute and determine such great and difficult points of Religion as of Predestination absolute Reprobation universal Grace Free-will and final perseverance It is fit that the learned Bishops should have power to vote in such difficult matters of so great Concernment as well as any Members of the House of Lords or Commons for it is well known that many of the Bishops are men of excellent Learning judgement and abilities as being long trained up in the Universities and some of them publick professors reading Lectures in Diuinity and Heads of Colledges that they might be well informed concerning these points or any other better then Sir Iohn Eliott or Iohn Pym or any other Member of the House of Commons whosoever he be or of the House of Lords whereof very few are learned or expert in the difficult points of Gods Decrees And whosoever is wise and sober will be willing to refer these matters to the Convocation who are a part of the Parliament and have the same priviledges as other Parliament men have as Lord Cook sheweth 4. Instit. cap. 74. pap 322. c. And their proper office and duty is to debate of matters of Religion of Heresies Schismes and other like matters as Lord Cook sheweth very fully The Bishops being the principal men that Reformed our Religion made the 39 Articles both the lesser and greater Catechism Common Prayer Book and the Book of Ordination the Homilies and whatsoever else hath been setled in Religion so that they are most necessary and fit to be present in all Parliaments Dr. Burgesse having written an examination of the reasons asserted by Bishop Hall and Archbishop Williams of York And this Author having written against his examination of the reasons the Doctor made a further Reply Wherein he saith pag. 5. that if it can be made good that in the * Wetten-Gem of the Saxons the Bishops exercised a legislative power in voting of laws as our Bi●hops have done in Parliaments the Examiner must provide him another Advocate for my part I must yeild the cause I hope it appears clearly by that is here alledged out of good Authority that the Bishop had a legislative power in voting and therefore by his own confession he must yeild the cause and contend no farther about it There is one reason further to be considered why the Bishops might well be of great Authority in all Parliaments and publick Assemblies and that is by reason of their Learning and Knowledge in languages and matters of Law and policy which they got by travail into forraign parts for most of them in their youth were bred in the English Colledge at Rome which was built and endowed by the Kings of England Ina and many others after him for the education of Learned Scholars sent

and Combustions of France when the Protestants did call and hold Parliaments there without the Kings consent as at Loudun and Rochel 1627. and did garrison the City very strongly against the King Moulin doth take occasion to speak thereof in his Anatome Missae pag. 246. Where he reckoneth up the wars of Bohemia and what was done against Hierom of Prague and Iohn Husse and the fortunate battels fought by Zisca in the end he concludeth and inferreth this Haec non ideo à nobis allata sunt quod probemus actiones Ziscae aut tumultus populorum qui ut persecutiones martyrium effugiant arma sumunt adversus dominos suos etenim veritas Evangelica non his stabilitur rationibus modis Christus ad crucem p●st se ferendam nos voeat Sanguis martyrum plus habet efficaciae virtutis ad ampliandam Ecclesiam quam bellorum ●ertam●●a Thus it appears that 〈◊〉 doth not justify the taking up of arms against Princes to reform Religion He was sensible of the Errors and losses of the Presbyterians in France in the wars they undertook against their King Lewis 13. Who in the end suppressed them took their strong towns and reduced them to obedience though he granted them the exercise of their Religion and how much they lost by the wars Moulin then liying in France and seeing both the beginning and end of the war could not be ignorant But the principal reason why the Presbyterians do maintain these desperate opinions of taking up arms is that they may pull down the Bishops and seise upon their revenues and lands as they have done notoriously of late both in Bohemia Germany and France and now with u● but they were inforced to regorge and restore them as appears fully in the late Histories which might have forewarned our Puritans Si mens non laeva fuisset The Emperor hath restored not onely in his patrimonial Countries all the Lands and Estates of the Bishops and Clergy which the puritans there had seised on of late years but those also which were taken away an 100 years ago as in the Duke of Wittenbergs Country whereof there are two volumes published at Tubing in Germany 1639. The Learned French Divine Chamier Tom. 2. lib. 15. c. 8. at large disputeth the question An tolerari debeat a Christianis Rex infidelis aut haereticus Pontificii dicunt non licet Christianis tolerare Regem infidelem aut haereticum si conetur pertrahere subditos ad suam haeresin vel infidelitatem c. Haec vero fax est seditionum scaturigo parricidiorum lerna malorum quibus hisce multis annis Anglia tentata est sed tentata tantum Deo protegente regiaque capita praesentibus periculis eripieute At nostrae Galliae Theatrum jam ter misere cruentatum duorum proxime Regum sanguine sic enim ratiocinati sunt parricidae aut qui parricidis sicas tradiderunt Non esse tolerandum Christianis regem incommodum Ecclesiae itaque deponendum Quid si non possit judicio solenni tamen ipso facto qui dignum se exhibuerit depositione censerl depositum ac proinde non amplius Regem sed Tyrannum ideoque jure occidi id est tolli quacunque possit ratione Quos furores si nulla alia revinceret ratio certe tam immania sceler aabunde debent hominum animos abominatione replesse Viderint homines Deut certe non dormit If Chamier had lived to see the murther of King Charles he would have said more then he did Hisce multis Annis Anglia tentata est sed tentata tantum God did preserve Q. Elizabeth oftentimes and King Iames from the Gunpowder Treason Upon both which occasions much hath been written by learned wise and excellent men both at home and abroad Against that wicked doctrine of raising arms against Kings to reform Religion Whereof not only the Papists are guilty but the Puritans As Bancroft proveth fully against Knoxe and Buchanan Goodman Gilly Cartwright and many others lib. 2. c. 1 2 3 4 of his dangerous positions The Puritans in England could be content to second King Iames writing against the Pope and Papists for deposing and murthering of Kings But for their own parts they account Parliaments to be superiour to all Kings and therefore maintain that Doctrine of Calvin that the tres ordines Regni the three estates of Parliaments may correct and punish Kings Which Doctrine David Pareus defended But his books were burned for it at London and both Universities But of late not only the three estates of the Kingdome but the third estate the Commons the representative of the peopledome may correct and punish Kings For they have styled themselves The Supream authority of the Nation without the House of Lords whom they voted to be uselesse and cast them out and make Statutes which they call Acts of Parliament without the House of Lords or the Royal assent Contrary to all the statutes recorded in the Book of Statutes Bancroft in the very end of his Book of dangerous positions doth plainly foretell that the Puritans would never give over their Clamour for Reformation till they had utterly ruined the whole Kingdome and Church as now it appears manifestly they have effected their desires in great part But saith Bancroft there are divers-men that will needs hood-wink themselves and stop their Ears with the Serpent in the Psalm of purpose because they would gladly have these things smothered up He meaneth men in great place that were willing to think that the Puritans were no such dangerous men as he and others did take them to be only scrupulous and peevish perhaps about Ceremonies and therefore were willing to forbear them and not to censure them sharply But Bancroft doth wisely tell them that if any such mischeifs which God forbid shall happen hereafter they were sufficiently warned that both should and might in good time have prevented them and withall it would then be found true which Livy saith Urgentibus Republicam fatis Dei hominum falutares admonitiones spernuntur When the Lord for the sins of the people is purposed to punish any Country he blindeth the eyes of the wise so as they shall either neglect or not perceive those ordinary means for the safety thereof which very simple men or babes in a manner did easily foresee Which Judgement I pray God turn far away and long from this and all other true Christian Lands and Kingdoms The principal end and project of the Presbyterians was not only to reform some things amisse but to pluck up both root and branch of Episcopacy and all Ecclesiastical laws and Courts though never so ancient and Fundamental setled by Magna Charta and many other Fundamental statutes as Circumspecte agatis 13. Edw 1. Articuli Cleri 9. Ed. 2. as Lord Coke doth expound them at large 2. Institut and for payment of Tythes and all Duties belonging to the Church there is both Common Law and