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A16183	A large examination taken at Lambeth, according to his Maiesties direction, point by point, of M. G. Blakwell, made Arch-priest of England, by Pope Clement 8 Vpon occasion of a certaine answere of his, without the priuitie of the state, to a letter lately sent vnto him from Cardinall Bellarmine, blaming him for taking the oath of Allegeance. Together with the Cardinals letter, and M. Blakwels said answere vnto it. Also M. Blakwels letter to the Romish Catholickes in England, aswell ecclesiasticall, as lay.	Blackwell, George, 1546 or 7-1613.; Bellarmino, Roberto Francesco Romolo, Saint, 1542-1621.	1609 (1609)	STC 3104; ESTC S121306	104,118	220

wordes might seeme to import as much as the Earle desired whereas in deede the authoritie which this authour saith both parts are agreed vpon is not yet determined For Cardinall Bellarmine and his Bellar. de Rom. Pont. lib. 5. cap. 4. side are fully resolued that the Pope hath no such authoritie directly and that consequently he must either haue it indirectly in ordine ad spiritualia or not at all and è contra the authours who oppose themselues to that opinion are as confident that he hath no authoritie in temporalibus except hee haue it directly so as how can it be said they are Carer de authorit Rom. Pont. lib. 2. cap. 5. 8. agreed when both sides are so peremptorie that he hath no such authoritie at all except he haue it saith the one side directly saith the other side indirectly And for his further answere hereunto he referreth himselfe to that which before hee hath set downe in the 63 68 69 76 88 90 and 91 Sections 98 As it was obserued in the 42. Section that all princes for denying the Popes supremacie though otherwise they professe the Gospell are tearmed heretickes by the Romish Catholickes so although they liue neuer so orderly according to their lawes without inflicting any other punishments vpon offenders then are agreed vpon by the Common-wealth they are accounted tyrants if for the repressing of Popish errours they doe at some times giue way to the execution of such Lawes as are made against them And none are more violent herein then such as were borne and bred vp amongst vs in England as Stapleton and William Raynolds if they were the authors of the two bookes intituled De iusta abdicatione Henric 3. and De iusta Reipuh Christianae in Reges impios haereticos authoritate who affirme that all power at this day which is auerse from religion De iusta abdic pag. 11. Rossaeus pag. 106. meaning the Romish religion is tyrannie and that they are tyrants that doe vse their kingly power to the imposing vpon their Subiects of that faith which they terme hereticall and for example of such tyrants one of them alledgeth K. Henry the 8. Edward the 6. and Queene Elizabeth The consequences of which assertions are as Idem pag. 157. well in their opinions as in the opinion of many other that are of that sect that euery such tyrant may be depriued of his kingdome and if neede be murthered by his Subiects yea by euery priuate man if hee haue fit opportunitie after that he is declared by the Common-wealth as some say to be a tyrant or by the Pope as others affirme Whereby all kings and princes that mislike the Popes tyrannie and sundrie his corruptions are by him and his priests infinitely dishonoured and no one way more then by inciting their subiects to rebellion vnder pretence of religion which ought to be the surest band of duety and obedience In consideration whereof it being told this Examinate that it was all one to his Maiestie whether by the Popes doctrine hee were to be deposed from his Crowne vnder either of these false pretences that he is an hereticke or that he is a tyrant and that thereby his Subiects are no longer to obey him but may beare armes against him and offer violence vnto his sacred person as well in the one case as in the other and that therefore it stood him in hand seeing he professeth himselfe to be a true subiect to deliuer himselfe from these traiterous conceits he the said Examinate answered as followeth saying 99 That in his iudgement if it be true as this Examinat beleeueth it is that the Pope hath no authoritie by any Sentence whatsoeuer to depose a King for heresie as before he hath at large declared nor to absolue his subiects from their Allegeance it is also as true a fortiori that hee hath no authoritie by any Sentence or iudgment whatsoeuer so to determine any king to be a tyrant as that thereby his right to his kingdome should in any sort be empeached or his subiects set at liberty to rebell against him or to offer any hurt vnto his person 100 That he knoweth what diuers haue written as touching tyrants wherewith hee saith it is impertinent for him now to intermeddle affirming notwithstanding that in his iudgement no king who in the course of his gouernement doth obserue the lawes established in his kingdome and doth not otherwise afflict his subiects either by violence rapine crueltie impositions exactions or by any other vnlawfull meanes but as he is bound giueth way to the execution of his lawes and onely vseth the ancient prerogatiue of his Crowne can in any true construction be rightly iudged a tyrant though some of his said lawes doe tend to the punishment of Catholickes and to the maintenance of the religion which he professeth diuers Emperours being in their times notable gouernours and promoters of their Empire to the great good of their subiects in temporall causes though otherwise they were great enemies to Christianitie 101 That no King who commeth to his Crowne by succession as being the right heire thereof may lawfully vnder any pretence of tyrannie bee deposed or resisted by his subiects either iointly assembled together or otherwise by any secret machinations or treacheries of manie few or of any one and that as touching this point either of iudging a king to be a tyrant or dealing with him thereupon as is before mentioned he is altogether of Master Blackwood his opinion who writing against sundry traiterous positions of Buchanans tending to the effect before obiected doth proue very sufficiently these points that ensue viz 102 That no subiects can arrogate to themselues Blackuodaei Apolog pro Regibus pag. 56. any part of Regall authority without committing of treason except the same bee delegated vnto them by the King and that then also they are to vse the same authority no otherwise then in such sort and so long as the King doeth willingly permit them That our Kings here in this land are no way obliged Pag. 106. to the people for their kingdome but haue all their power and Empire from God and are onely bound to giue an account to him of the discharge of their office and duetie their kingdomes belonging to them iure haereditario by right of inheritance so as no sooner Pag. 178. is one King dead but the next heire is actually king no ceremonie or Coronation or other circumstances adding more to his right then hee had before That the Oath itselfe which they take at their Coronation being made to God and not to the people doeth not Pag. 221. any way empeach the interest they haue iure sanguinis Pag. 224. by their birth 103 That forasmuch as the kings subiects his Pag. 211. c. Clergie Nobles and Commons cannot assemble together in Parliament without the kings Writte vnder paine of treason by the olde lawes nor when they are

whether the Pope doeth require them so to doe or not against any that doe endeauour to suppresse it But he holdeth that such their duetie bindeth them no further then so to maintaine religion within their owne kingdoms if need be and not to make warre in that respect against any who doe containe themselues and their proceedings aforesaid within their owne bounds and doe not seeke by force to suppresse in any other Countries that are adiacent vnto them the Religion there established otherwise then in his owne But withall he addeth that he holdeth it to be the duetie of all such Catholike kings to do what they can with any King auerse from the Pope for the winning of him vnto his Holinesse by perswasion and by euery other good meanes but in no wise by the sword or by solliciting his Subiects to rebellion or to make a part of his owne Kingdome against him or otherwise to endanger his Person Crowne or State Besides for as much as this Examinate saith he beleeueth that the Pope hath no inherent authoritie in himselfe in temporalibus out of S. Peters patrimonie and that the regall authoritie is not deriued from the Pope or held immediatly of him hee doeth not find how the Pope as he is either a Spirituall or a ciuill Prince hath authoritie to command the sword of any Kings otherwise then by entreatie and in the cases by him this Examinate aboue specified or that they are bound by force of their Baptisme to obey him if so he doe command them 125 Secondly were it granted to this Examinate that the Pope as a Ciuill Prince might lawfully haue sent his forces into Ireland as is aforesaid and denounce warre when he thinketh it expedient against any King as Cardinall Allen hath written yet it is fit that this Examinate should open himselfe in his dutie to his Maiestie whether in his iudgement when the Pope will needes take vpon him to play the temporall Prince and become a warriour hee holdeth it to bee at such times more lawfull and agreeable to the Scriptures either for the Pope or for any of his instruments to perswade the Subiects of any King with whom hee contendeth that because hee is a Protestant as that generall name is growen in vse and denieth the Popes supremacie and embraceth the Religion reformed and purged of sundry grosse errours and points of superstition and is thereupon either by name or in generall termes by vertue of some other Buls Excommunicated or because he seeketh to alter the ancient Religion which formerly they or their forefathers did professe therefore it is lawfull for them nay that they are bound in conscience to renounce their obedience vnto him and to assist the Popes forces then it is lawfull for the Emperour or some other Kings whose predecessours had made the Pope a Ciuil prince by bestowing vpon him so large possessions when they haue resolued of a warlike course against him to perswade his Subiects and authorize them to ioyne with them and to beare armes against him vpon these or any other such like suggestions viz that the Pope abused his place and behaued himselfe otherwise then of ancient times his predecessours had done that it was neuer the meaning either of their former renowmed Emperours or of any other Kings or of the most famous Romanes and Italians their Noble progenitors who once gouerned the chiefest part of the world that thereby he should take courage and boldnesse to encounter as hee did with them their successours or to tyrannize as his custome was ouer them his pretended Subiects and ouer their sometimes so glorious a Citie and that therefore if they would ioyne their forces with theirs they would restore them vnto their ancient honours and libertie 126 To this question this Examinate saith that it is a point of State how and when Princes may make warres but he is sure that they ought not so to doe except the cause be iust Againe he cōfesseth that as some hold the Pope may depose no secular Prince though he abuse his authoritie in perniciem Christianitatis fidei to the destruction Iacob Almain de potest Ecclesiasticâ Laicâ Quaest. 1. cap. 9. of Christianitie or of the faith but may onely declare him worthy to be deposed and therefore forbid his subiects vnder paine of Excommunicatiō to performe any dutie vnto him wherby in effect hee looseth his kingdome when no man doth regard him so they doe thinke that in the same sort if the Pope doe abuse his authoritie Idem ibidem Quaest 2. cap. 8. in detrimentum Reipublicae to the detriment of the Common wealth the Emperour may depose him vnder paine of confiscation of all his temporall goods which hee holdeth of the Emperour and of the king as a vassall and that by vertue of such a Sentence giuen by the Emperour they to whom it appertaineth shall in the end bee compelled to remoue him from his authoritie of the high Bishopricke But of these and such like points this Examinate saith he wil not take vpon him to iudge onely hee acknowledgeth that so farre as his reading and learning stretcheth hee doth in his conscience verily beleeue touching the said question to him propounded as here ensueth 127 That neither the Pope hath any authoritie to depose the Emperour nor the Emperour to depose the Pope they may deale one with another for reforming of abuses but they ought not to proceede to such extremities that as hee hath before oftentimes said that the Pope hath no authority at all by any waies or meanes whatsoeuer giuen vnto him Iure diuino to depose any Protestant king or Soueraigne Prince nor to absolue his subiects from their Allegeance nor to authorize them or command them to beare armes against him so neither may hee lawfully when he commeth or sendeth as a Ciuill Prince his forces and men of warre to assaile any such king in his owne Countrey though he take that course in defence of Religion seeke to perswade the subiects of such a King to rebell against him by ioyning their forces with the Popes or if hee or any of his instruments so doe suggesting that otherwise they shall incurre the Popes curse yet they the said subiects ought not to regard it but remaine still as firmely bound to obey their King and take part with him as if the Pope had neuer conceiued any displeasure against him 128 That therefore hee must needs confesse the positions following to be very vnsound and repugnant vnto the Scriptures and the ancient Catholicke doctrine which is alwaies to be preferred before mens new deuises be they for their learning and places neuer so eminent in the Church 129 It is godly and honourable to fight in such order Card. Allen. a True defence pag. 103. and time as we are warranted in conscience and law by our Supreme Pastours and Priests 130 In warres that may at any times happen for religion Card. Allen. letter to Stanley pag.

me wrought with threedes of an vnsuting colour may be cut asunder and vanish into smoke I am aged and in durance for the Catholike faith and doe not knowe that I haue hither to trode in any other paths then in those wherein are imprinted the plainest foot-steps of the most learned Catholickes Bury therefore in silence I beseech you all those loude clamors sounding euery where against me that am innocent and an earnest vpholder of the chaire Apostolicke Witnesse thereof my present imprisonment witnes my often preachings witnes the perils I haue vndergone for the dignity of the See Apostolicke in my sore-passed course of 32. yeres witnes the administration of my Arch-priesthood enuironed with the daily hazards of my life But whither doe I goe doubtlesse I may seeme somewhat too lauish in ripping vp these matters before your Amplitude who as I trust will now reduce your seuerer censure of me and of my fact to a better temper of equitie and commiseration But I will conclude and for the close will vse that saying of Leo The priuiledge of Peter standeth firme where sentence is giuen according vnto his equitie Neither is there too much seuerity or remissenes where nothing is bound or loosed but what S. Peter hath either loosed or bound Our Lord Iesus preserue your Amplitude to the greater enlargement of the Catholicke faith and to our comfort From London out of prison 13. Nouemb. 1607. Your Amplitudes most humble seruant George Blakwell THE EXAMINATION OF M r. George Blakwell Taken at seuerall times according to his Maiesties direction vpon occasion of his answere to Card. BELLARMINE Hee saith 1 THat because he perceiueth that diuers exceptions are taken against his late letter written to Cardinall Bellarmine he is willing to set downe his iudgment more fully concerning the duetie which all Subiects doe owe to their Soueraigne Lords vnder whom they were borne and consequently all Catholickes Englishmen vnto his Maiestie KING IAMES 2 First hee saith vpon certaine demaunds propounded vnto him That he acknowledgeth all the precepts in the New Testament as touching obedience to Emperours Kings and Ciuil Magistrates to be perpetuall and may not be changed or qualified by any authoritie whatsoeuer either Ecclesiasticall or Ciuil and that what Subiect soeuer aswell Ecclesiasticall as Lay doeth violate any of them vpon any occasion o● at any time or by vertue of any dispensation or o● any intent to profit thereby the Catholike cause and aduance Religion or for any other cause whatsoeuer he doeth therein sinne mortally 〈◊〉 euer being vnlawfull to do euil that good might come of it 3 That hee vtterly condemneth all those who shall presume to affirme that either Christ or his Apostles did temporize in the said precepts as meaning that Subiects were no longer bound to obey the Emperour Kings and souereign Princes being wicked Apostatas or heretiques then vntill they were able by force of Armes to suppresse them that impious conceit in those dayes being farre in his iudgement from the godly Bishops and Christians then liuing 4 That whereas in the Apostles times and so afterwards for the space of about 300. yeeres the Emperors were not only Pagans themselue except it were one of them and refused to embrace the Gospel but likewise endeauoured by all the meanes they could of crueltie and mo●● bloodie persecution to suppresse the propagation of it forasmuch as the godly Bishops Fathers and Christians in those dayes hauing learned their duties of obedience from Christ and his Apostles neither taught nor put in practise any course of disobedience nor bare armes against them though as Tertullian saith they had sufficient Tertull in Apolog cap. 37. force so to haue done he this Examinate doeth greatly approoue such their dutifull obedience affirming that in his iudgement they had sinned mortally if they had done otherwise 5 That euen in the case of Iulian who hauing first embraced the Gospel became afterwards an Apostata the godly Bishops Fathers and Christians in those times although some writ bitterly against him yet they did not excite his Subiects to beare armes against him nor did themselues enter into any rebellion either of which courses if they had attempted this Examinate thinketh as before that they had greatly offended God and broken the precepts of Christ and his Apostles adding that therein he ioyned with S. Augustine where he speaketh of the duty Augustine in Psal 124. which Christians performed to Iulian though he were an Apostata Iulianus extitit infidelis Imperator Nonne extitit Apostata iniquus Idololatra Milites Christiani seruiebant Imperatori infideli Vbi veniebatur ad causam Christi non agnoscebant nisi illum qui in coelo erat Quando volebat vt Idola colerent vt thurificarent praeponebant illi Deum quando autem dicebat Producite aciem ite contra illam gentem statim obtemperabant Distinguebant Dominum aetertum à domino temporali tamen subditi erant propter Dominum aeternum etiam domino temporali That is Iulian was an vnbeleeuing Emperour Was hee not an Apostata an oppressour and an Idolater Christian Souldiers serued an vnbeleeuing Emperour when it came to the cause of CHRIST they did acknowledge none but him that was in Heauen When he would haue them to worship Images and to sacrifice they preferred God before him but when he said Bring forth an Army goe against such a Nation they foorthwith obeyed They distinguished the eternall Lord from the temporall and yet were subiect vnto the temporall lord for the Eternall 6 This Examinate hauing thus declared his iudgement in the premises it was demanded of him whether he had seene the Popes last Breue dated at Rome 10. Calend. Septemb. 1607. beginning Renunciatum est c. and what vpon the sight therof his iudgement now was as touching the lawfulnesse of the oath of Allegeance before by him taken Whereupon he sayeth that hee hath onely seene a Copie of the said last Breue that he hath very carefully perused and weighed euery sentence and clause in it and that neuerthelesse he remaineth stedfastly in his former opinion and iudgement viz. That it is lawful for all Catholickes in England to take the said oath of Allegeance published the last Session but one of this present Parliament and that he constantly is fetled as touching euery part and member of the said oath formerly by him taken that they are true and that this he doth acknowledge without any equiuocation or mentall euasion or secret reseruation whatsoeuer to all intents and purposes as if he should here againe haue repeated the said oath at large 7 This Examinate being here required forasmuch as in his iustification of the said oath and of his taking of it since his sight of the last Breue he doth relie vpon his former opinion and iudgement which notwithstanding in the Letter written to Cardinall Bellarmine he doeth strangely qualifie contrary to the expectation had of him heere for his plaine dealing and

Allegeance necessarily answere concerning the positions following whether he doeth allow them or disallow them the same being the effects of the Popes Excommunications euen ante Sententiam latam before Sentence denounced which are likewise contrary to his former iudgement 43 The Canon Lawes sayth no meane man Card. Allen against the execution of Iustice pa. 87. being authenticall in the lawfull tribunals of the Christian world doe make all heretikes not onely after they bee namely and particularly denounced but by the Law it selfe ipso facto as soone as they bee heretikes or de iure excommunicated for the same to bee depriued of their Dominions And another of little lesse credit then the former writeth thus Hinc inferatur Philop. pag. 194. vniuersa Theologorum at Iurisconsultorum Ecclesiasticorum Schola est certum de fide quamcunque Principem Christianum si a Religione Catholicâ manefestè deflexerit alios auocare voluerit excidere statim omni potestate ac dignitate ex ipsâ vi iuris tum humani tum diuini hocque ante omnem sententiam Supremi Pastoris ac Iudicis contra ipsos prolatam subditos quoscunque liberos esse ab omni iuramenti obligatione quodei de obedientia tanquam Principi legitimo praestitissent posseque debere stvires habeant istiusmodi hominem tanquam Apostatam haereticum ac Christi Domini desertorem reipub inimicum hestemque ex hominum Christianorum dominatu oijcere ne alios inficiat vel suo exemplo aut imperio à fide auertat Atque haec certa definita indubitata virorum doctissimorum sententia doctrinae Apostolicae conformis planè ac consona est That is Hereupon the whole Schoole of Diuines and Canonists doth inferre and it is certaine and of faith that any Christian Prince whatsoeuer if hee shall manifestly deflect from the Catholicke Religion and endeuour to withdraw others from the same doeth presently fall from all power and dignitie by the very force of humane and diuine law and that also before any Sentence of the Supreme Pastour and Iudge against him denounced and that his subiect whatsoeuer are free from all obligation of that oath which they had performed for their allegeance vnto him as to their lawfull Prince and that they may and ought if they haue forces to eiect such a man as an Apostata an hereticke and a backslider from the Lord Christ and an enemy to the Common wealth out of all dominion ouer Christians lest hee infect others or by his example or commandements auert others from the faith And this certaine definite and vndoubted opinion of the best learned men is wholy agreeable and consonant to the Apostolicall doctrine And to this purpose diuers others of the same humour might be alledged 44 Whereupon this Examinate at the last though he was hardly drawen vnto it in respect of the persons whose wordes were cited much honoured and reuerenced by him did giue this answere saying in effect as he did concerning the authors whose assertions were propounded vnto him in the next precedent obiection viz. That these men had their particular opinions as hee hath his but confesseth that these their assertions last mentioned are farre from his iudgement vtterly denying them to bee the inferences of the schoole of all Diuines and Ecclesiasticall Lawyeers or that they are either de fide of faith or certaine or defined or the vndoubted opinions of the most learned men agreeable to the doctrine of the Apostles Besides whatsoeuer this Examinate hath formerly said touching his reasons sent to Rome or out of Syluester or touching the present estate of this Kingdome or his former iudgement that an Excommunication cannot warrant any such kinde of proceedings of subiects against their Princes be they Hereticks or Apostates or whatsoeuer they be doth iustle directly with these assertions and therefore hee saith that hee doth vtterly reiect them accounting them great staines and blemishes vnto Excommunication if they bee made the effectes thereof 45 Here it falling out aptly to come to the point indeed mentioned Sect. 35. the same was pressed For whereas it is cleare by this Examinates confession that they of the Romish church haue not onely amongst them Excommunication of Princes but likewise as hee hath before shewed out of certaine their authenticall writers an Eradication and vtter extirpation which must as it appeareth be effected not by Excommunication but by vertue of the Popes authority either as he is directly Dominus Temporalium that is the chiefe Temporall Lord vnder Christ ouer all the world or indirectly in ordine ad spiritualia in order to things spirituall forasmuch as both of them doe tend to one end and are equally pernicious and trayterous to all Regall Principalitie and authoritie it being litle to the purpose to detract from Excommunication that it hath no power to depose kings or to absolue their subiects from their Allegeance if there be left in the Pope another kinde of power after that by his Excommunication he hath cast kings to the deuill in his owne idle conceit then to eradicate them likewise and throw them out of their kingdomes and to authorize and incite their subiects to all secret conspiracies treasons rebellions and trecheries against their Soueraignes this Examinate was heere againe vrged vpon his allegeance to his Maiestie and as there was any trueth to bee expected at his hands to set downe his iudgement touching this point of the Popes pretended Soueraigne power in Temporalibus in ordine ad spiritualia in order to things spirituall as he hath done before concerning the other pretence of his direct authoritie 46 With this point this Examinate as it seemed being much perplexed said that now indeed the matter was followed to the quicke and therefore desired that it might be sufficient for him to acknowledge that in his iudgement the Pope hath authoritie to Excommunicate when there is cause the greatest King in the world profesing Christianitie but sayth hee for his other power in ordine ad spiritualia in order to things spirituall it cannot touch his Maiestie 47 Hereupon for that this Examinate had often before desired that hee might speake of things by degrees not in grosse it was thought fit to proceed herein with him accordingly And therefore hee was first put in minde what he had before said in the beginning of this his Examination concerning his iudgement of the obedience due to princes by the precepts of Christ and his Apostles Sect. 2 of the continuance of the said precepts of his dislike that any should imagine either Christ or his Apostles in their said precepts to haue temporized as willing Christians then liuing vnder persecuting Emperours to obey no longer but vntill they were able by force to suppresse them Sect. 3 and so as aboue more at large it doth appeare and being thereupon demaunded whether hee continued still in the same iudgement without any equiuocation or euasion whatsoeuer he thereunto

subiects haue thereby receiued great detriment especially subiects who haue spent their liues as supposing the cause was iust which they vndertooke this in the meane while being indeed their case that as what they did therein was in truth wicked and rebellious so when either that which they took in hand had not good successe or when afterwards the Pope and such Princes grew to an agreement they were euer for the most part reputed according to their deserts for Rebels and Traitours vnder pretence of some thing or other that was amisse in their proceedings and that therefore he hopeth that in time all Catholickes will hereafter by other mens harmes learne to beware and not bee drawen to any disobedience against their Soueraignes vnder any pretence whatsoeuer 77 The authours of the late most wicked and barbarous treason commonly termed the Gun-powder treason had as this Examinate verily thinketh some intendment to haue aduanced thereby the Catholicke cause for that his Maiestie did still persist in the same course which was held by the late Queene his predecessor or by what other inducements this Examinate knoweth not Howbeit as this was their iust reward here that they were condemned and executed for traitours so doe they worthily reape amongst all discreete Catholikes and wise men abroad in other Countries nothing but shame and infamy to the memorie of their owne names and posteritie which this Examinate wisheth from the bottome of his heart may euer be the successe of all manner of persons whatsoeuer that shall imagine or seeke to contriue any hurt to his Maiestie the Prince or any other of his Highnesse posteritie or to the present state of this kingdome vnder any colour or pretence of conscience religion fauour towards the Bishops of Rome or any thing els whatsoeuer Only this Examinat here addeth that as he doth very well approue that Catesby with his fellowes should bee chronicled for traitours by any or wheresoeuer so he disliketh that the said Cristanouic also who is aboue named should endeuour after a sort to qualifie their offence by casting an vntrue and shamefull scandall vpon this whole nation where after a long discourse to prooue that English men haue from time to time conspited against their kings not for religion but in respect of their owne rebellious nature he concludeth thus with relation to the said Gun-powder traitors Causam tenes lector coniurationum Anglicanarum quarum furorem falsò religioni Stanista Cristanouic exam Cath. fol. 18. Catholicae legislatores tribuunt that is Thus Reader you haue the true cause of the English conspiracies the furie whereof their Law-makers doe falsly impute to the Catholique religion And againe Non ergo Catholicum sed Anglicanum ingenium Reges Ibidem Angliae non sinit securos esse that is It is not therefore the Catholique but the English humor which will not suffer the Kings of England to liue secure For as this Examinate saith what this fellow affirmeth of English men may bee as well iustified of any nation in Christendome if such a rash iudgement might be grounded vpon such like arguments as he hath vsed But here this Examinate remembring his drift wisheth in his heart that it might be neuer forgotten by any Catholiques or other English men whosoeuer what guerdon commendation and infamous renowme they may iustly expect that for any cause whatsoeuer as is aforesaid shall attempt any thing against their Soueraigne 78 Thus farre this Examinate hauing opened his iudgement vpon such occasions as were ministred vnto him he vsed sundry speeches how much it troubled him that either his Maiestie or the State should doubt of his sinceritie and Allegeance and therefore for a conclusion and as it were to adde his seale to all that before he hath said he further affirmeth viz That he doeth truely and sincerely from the bottome of his heart acknowledge professe testifie and declare in his conscience before God and the world that King Iames his Soueraigne lord is iure diuino and by the positiue lawes of this realme lawfull and rightfull King of this realme and of all other his Maiesties Dominions and Countries both de facto and de iure and that it was not lawfull either for his Maiesties Subiects to haue withstood him by force from being their king nor euer can be lawful for them now that he is their king to rise vp against him or seeke by any wayes or meanes to hurt him either in his health or in his regall estate although he denieth the Popes supremacie in causes Ecclesiasticall and seeketh as he may to suppresse all those that dissent from him in those points of Religion which hee imbraceth and though likewise they his said subiects being either Catholikes or Protestants had sufficient numbers forces and ability so to doe without any scandall to the Catholike cause and without any danger to themselues either in their goods or liues 79 That the Pope iure diuino by the lawe of God neither of himselfe nor by any authority of the Church or See of Rome or by any other meanes with any other hath any power or authority either directly or indirectly in ordine ad spiritualia whether the said authoritie bee termed spiritual or temporall or mixt or howsoeuer it is or may be termed to depose the King or to dispose any of his Maiesties kingdomes or dominions or to authorize any forreine Prince to inuade or annoy him or his countreys or to discharge any of his subiects of their Allegeance and obedience to his Maiestie or to giue license or leaue to any of them to beare armes raise tumult or to offer any violence or hurt to his Maiesties Roial person State or gouernment or to any of his Maiesties subiects within his Maiesties dominions 80 That he doeth also affirme from his heart that notwithstanding any declaration or Sentence of Excommunication or depriuation made or graunted or to bee made or graunted by the Pope or his successours or by any authoritie deriued or pretended to be deriued from him or his See against the said King his heires or successours or any absolution of the said subiects from their obedience hee will beare faith and true alleageance to his Maiestie his Heires and Successours and him and them will defend to the vttermost of his power against all conspiracies and attempts whatsoeuer which shall bee made against his or their persons their crowne and dignitie by reason or colour of any such sentence or declaration or otherwise by reason or colour of any authoritie or power ascribed to the Pope in temporalibus directly or indirectly in ordine ad spiritualia whether the said authoritie be termed spirituall or temporall or mixt or howsoeuer it is or may be termed and will do his best endeauour to disclose and make knowen vnto his Maiestie his Heires and Successours all treasons and traiterous conspiracies which hee shall know or heare of to bee against him or any of them 81 That furthermore he

in their times doe pretend Christ indeed and so also his Apostles went from place to place from citie to citie and from countrey to countrey preaching and planting the true Catholicke faith which containeth the doctrine of obedience to Kings and Soueraigne Magistrates And where there was one Christian then if there had bene a thousand and so proportionably for euery one neither Christ nor any of his Apostles would haue moued them to any armes or disobedience against the ciuill Magistrates although they were at that time very great persecutors and impugners of the Gospel The like may also be said for the ages succeeding when such going from place to place and preaching as doctor Stapleton speaketh of would of a certeintie haue beene vtterly condemned And how glad saith hee this Examinate should I haue beene if these kindes of positions now vrged vpon me had beene left to Buchananus and such of his followers as haue runne that race And therefore he humbly desired that he might be no further troubled with these vncatholicke and bloudie nouelties the same being most repugnant to the duety and office of a true Catholicke priest and the rather because his intermedling so much with them though hee could not wel choose except he should haue spoken against his conscience doeth tend more he feareth to his particular discredite then as many men doe now stand affected to any such religious vse or edification as this Examinate wisheth that all his words and workes might euer effect and attaine vnto 145 Here it being held conuenient to demand of him this Examinate whether he thought that vpon the occasion offered vnto him and charge laid vpon him in his Maiesties name to deliuer his conscience and iudgement as well in these last points propounded vnto him as likewise in all the premisses of this his Examination hee should by the discharging of his duety therein grow to any discredite either with priests or Lay Catholickes and not rather that if all he had deliuered should happen to be published it would procure him more fauour and greater reputation with them he answereth that of the last point the increase of his credite he hath small hope and that he hath alreadie felt some experience of the former in that there being but a suspicion alreadie cast abroad that he continueth in the iustification of the lawfulnesse to take the oath of Allegeance the very conceit of it before they be acquainted with that which hee hath said in this his Examination doeth much offend many as hee hath beene informed and as in his priuate estate he doeth very sensibly feele Neither can he as he saith expect from them any thing else but discontentment and grudging against him whiles the Popes Briefes procured by surreption and false suggestions as hee thinketh in his conscience doe preuaile so much with them or vntill it shall please God to abate the heate of some spirits and replenish all their hearts with true knowledge in these matters and with greater humilitie and patience then now he saith he can well boast of 146 Lastly forasmuch as it is most euident to his Maiestie and the State viz how the Catholickes in England doe now stand affected how they do generally dislike the oath of Allegeance how of late fewe of the Laitie in respect of the multitude will yeeld to take it how since the Popes Breues came ouer the priests all of them almost doe impugne it and disswade all Catholickes from taking of it and how they labour and trauaile hither and thither preaching and teaching that the Pope hath authoritie to depose his Maiestie to absolue his subiects from their oathes of Allegeance to authorize them thereupon to beare armes against him and to machinate all the mischiefe they can against his State and Person that although his Maiestie be not excommunicated by name yet by their doctrine hee standeth excommunicate in generall termes by sundry Bulles in that hee alloweth not of the Popes Supremacie c. and that therefore if opportunitie serue they may set on foote any wicked designement against him And furthermore how when they professe obedience vpon any occasion it is but dissembled and doth bind them no longer but vntill they shall be able by reason of their numbers and strength to encounter his Maiestie without any great daunger to themselues How there are many youthes daily sent ouer beyond the seas to become Priests and being Priests are euery yere sent backe hither of purpose to increase the number and strength of the said Catholickes And how all such Priests by vertue of their office are bound to draw as many as they can from their Allegeance to the King and vpon euery fit occasion to stirre vp his subiects to mutinie and rebellion as is aboue mentioned Forasmuch it was said as these points and many other such like are very euident and manifest it was earnestly demaunded of this Examinate hee being a man of yeeres mature iudgement and good discretion as hee was reputed by the Pope himselfe it seemeth and many others when he was made Archpriest of England and an Apostolicall protonotarie what course in his wisedome and conscience he thinketh fit his Maiestie and the State should holde being resolued in religion as they are to withstand those euils which of necessitie in time must ensue except either by punishments they be out of hand preuented or that the Pope doe himselfe reclaime both Priests and Catholicks from such inordinate tumultuous and traiterous courses giuing them libertie so as they reteine still their opinions of his pretended Supremacie in spirituall causes to take the othe of Allegeance that thereby they may secure his Maiestie and the State of their obedience dutie and fidelitie both towards him in all causes and matters temporall and towards their natiue Countrey 147 Vnto all which particulars this Examinate answereth that this is a matter farre aboue his reach that he knoweth his Maiestie to be a King endowed with many singular vertues amongst the which his mercie and clemencie are very eminent that his Maiestie and the State are exceeding prouident to preuent all dangers that the number of Priestes is nothing if it bee compared to the number of Ministers which are and so will continue here in England that there is no likelihood that so few Priests in respect of the said Ministers should euer bee able to draw so many to the Pope as they haue power and meanes to withhold men from him that hee hopeth if euer the Pope may be truely informed of the State of England hee will inforce all Catholickes to holde a dutifull temper towards their Prince that it may be that in short time the heate of all disordered inuentions will bee quenched that although men of youth and vigour delighting in nouelties are likely enough to continue a while heady yet hee hath some hope that the grauer sort will haue recourse to the ancient practise of the sincerest Catholickes that generally all the Catholickes in