greate prosperiâ—y seuen and thirtie yeares and odd monetheâ— professing voluntary pouertie Went to Rome where in the habit of a Religeous man hee ended his life in poore estate And Ethelburga his wife became a vayled Nunne was made Abbâ—sse of Barkinge neare london wherein shee ended her life The Brethren of Inaâ— were kenten whose sonne was Aldome Abbat of Malmesbury and Bishop of Sherborne And if wee desire Example from the the Norman Race Kinge William the first by by some syrnamed Conqueror may bee added both to encouradge vs to continue in the Religion of the church of Rome and to bee fearefull either to persecute or forsake yt of him his affaires this Theater entreateth thus His holy father Pope Alexander tke seconde sett in a Theater sup pag 418. n. 19. foote sending twoe Cardinalls and a Bishop from the See Apostolick in a Councell degraded stigand Archbishop of Canterbury EgelWine Bishop of the easte Angles besides diuers other Bishops and Abbots of the english nation depriued for noo euident cause but onely to giue place to the Normans in fauour of the kinge Kinge William gaue his oathe vppon the holy Euangelists and the relicks pag. 421. of S. Albanâ— the Martyr Pope Gregoire sendeth hither his bulls against the mariâ—d cleargie Pope Gregorie in all generall Synode excluded the maryed preists from execution of their holy offices and pag. 422. forbad they lay men to hearâ— their Masses our Lords body and the blood of our Lord consecrated by preists To shewe how iustly and seuerely God punished the hinderance of Masseâ— and profession of that Religion speaking of the destroying of Religeous howses and churches hee writeth thus Kinge William pulleth downe pag. 421. 36. mother churches from mans vse and Gods seruice in Hamtâ—hire novv new forest Richard hiâ— second sonne there dyed goared vvith a deare or blasted vvith a pestilent ayre and Rusus his other 〈◊〉 46. sonne mistaken for a deare shott through vvith an Arrovve by vvalter Tyrâ—ll Henry likevvise his grandchilde by Robert Curtoise persuing the chase vvas struken vvith a bough in the Iavves and as Absalon leâ—t hanging vntill hee died tâ—es punishments vvith a straunge earth quake and other straunge hinges ascribed for taking away vse of Gods seruice And speaking of his greate repentance and vertuous end hee writeth thus Hee pag. 425. n. 65. 66. 64. builded many religeous howses moste certayne it is that in the verie same place Where kinge Harolds standard was pitched and vnder which himselfe was slayne there William the Conqueror laid that foundation Battle Abbâ—y dâ—dicating yt to the Holy Trinitie and to S. Martine that there the monkes might pray for the soules of Harold and pag. 423. the rest that were slayne in that place hee repenteth him of his crueltie in England doth not aâ—count yt his owne but Gods Hee giueth his Crowne and ornaments therto belonging to the monkes pag. 422. 423. of Saint Stephen in Cane Hee giueth to his sonne Henry Beauclerâ—ke onely 5000. prounde without any contry prophâ—syinge how hee should bee heire to all Thâ— dying kinge for kinge must dye hauinge pag. 424. nu 56. pag. 223. raised vp his weake body vppon the pilloâ—es hard the sounde of the greate Bell in the metropolitane church of Saint Gâ—â—uis neare Roan demaundinge the cause one replyed that it did then ringâ— primâ— to our ladiâ— â—herevpon with greate deuotion lifting his eyes towards heauen spreadinge abroade his handes I commend myselfe saith hee to that blessed ladie Mary Mother of God that shee by her holy prayers may reconcile mee to her most deare owne our Lord Iesus Christ and with thes wordes yeelded vp the Ghost Their protestant Archbisop Parker is lately with applaose new printed and speaking of the Romane Religion and authoritie abrogated by the new lawes of kinge Henry the 8. writeth thus Parker Antiq. Britan p 329. His legibus by thes lawes the power of the Pope that had continued in England aboue 900. yeares hee meaneth from the tyme of our Conuersion by S. Augustine sent hether by Pope and Saint Gregory was ouerthrownâ— And M. Mason MasoÌ„ booke of Consecr in M. Park with his directing protestant Bishops assure vs that this Matthew Parker was allowed for Archbishop of Canterbury by other order then any his predecessors in the See of Canterbury Therefore wee may not forsake the Religion of Rome soe embraced and honored by all Christian kinges princes Bishops and true beleeuing subiects vntill this time of protestants by their owne testimonies Againe I argue in this maner Noe Religion that is soe farr from truthe and to bee iustifiable for good and holy that the cheifest professors and doctors thereof acknowledge generally that it is false erroneous or fallible may bee communicated withall But the English parlament protestant Religion is such Therefore not to bee communicated with The maior proposition is euidently true for as thes protestants haue taught vs before noe communion is to bee had in spirituall things with men of a false and deceatefull Religion for such by noe possibilitie can bee the infallible and most vndoubted word reuelation of God which by noe power can either bee false or doubtfull But the phantasticall deuise Imagination and humane hereticall Inuention of seducers The minor proposition is soe generally graunted by the protestants of England That D. Morton Morton Apolog part 2. pag. 315. with publicke priâ—iledge absolutely for them all writeth thus Thesis generalis nullus est omnino in ecclesia cuius Iudicium est infallibilis authoritatis Yt is a generall maxime And so to bee receaued of them all That there is non at all in the church whose iudgment is of vnfallible aâ—thoritie D. Willet giueth this testimonie In England will Antilog praef angl pa. 71. 120. 150 43. Praefat. to the Reader supr the temporall prince is Gouernor Ruler cheefe Ouerseer and Steward of the church to whose Iudgment and redresse the reformation of Religion belongeth Yet thee addeth thus neither hee nor any in their church haue any priuiledge from error And this is soe manifest by the often chaungings and choppings of their Religion by kinge Henry 8. kinge Edward 6. and Queene Elizabeth that to goe noe further their errors and contradictions defended and published by their owne statutes are shamefull to bee recited and soe euidently knowne that their protestant Bishop of Peterborough Doue persuasion with others doe freely acknowledge yt that all protestant princes with their church had erred and seduced others Or yf against all hope or possibilitie in S. Edwyne sands opinion wee Relation of Religion might expect a generall councell by their doctrine which not onely hee but all protestants confining spirituall iurisdiction to call councells onely to the temporall and ciuill authoritie of particulâ—r princes and contryes wherein they rule and noe farther much lesse ouer all nations Christian as the Pope claymeth yett to
onely allowance by a woman vncapable either to haue or giue such power therefore because men in protestants religion may not bee papists nor lyers nor say that soe many of their worthies Bishopps and doctors assuring vs before that they doe not differ in any one essentiall or materiall point bee lyers and dissemblers in religion wee must needs agree with them that say the english ministers haue noe callinge or admittance but by Queene Elizabeth which by them is none at all Againe both vpon the same ground and the like extremitie in their doctrine they are inforced to renownce all ordination from the Pope and church of Rome by this their owne demonstration Noe man can giue that to an other which hee hath not But by them the Pope hath not true ordination Therfore cannot giue yt to others The maior is euidently true and their owne grounde and principle The minor proposition hath beene a common protestant doctrine and must bee iustified by their receaued opinion that the Pope is Antichrist a thinge in religion essentiall for Antichrist that is quite contrary vnto Christ cannot by any meanes bee iudged a true preist and bishop of Christ Thirdly D. Sutcliffe maketh this matter moste cleare in these his wordes Thâ— Turkes musty iâ— Sutcliff suru pa. 48. as good a Bishop as the Pâ—pe therefore in his doctrine neither of them a Bishop or able to make either Bishop or preist Therefore in an other worke with publick allowance as also this hath hee writeth of vs in this maner in Sutcliff ag D. kell pa. 4 the Popes church our aduersaries neither haue manâ—r of ordination nor substance of function they haue not imposition of handes by bishops because they haue not lawfull Bishops Therfore their pretended Bishops if made by such noe Bishops bee not true bishops And soe there bee neither true Bishops nor true and lawfull preists or ministers in the english protestant congregation and soe noe true church nor spirituall communion to bee vsed with them by their owne iudgments And this their new deuise of clayminge a consecration de iure diuino and not their old admittance from Queene Elizabeth was the Protest offer of confer pag. 11. motiue that vrgeth their owne brethren in Religion first to write in thes wordes If prelacie bee de iure diuine by the lawe of God it receaueth breathe and life from the Religion of Rome Whose prelacie and preisthood is euen by our greatest aduersaries acknowledged to bee by diuine institution And this supposed graunted by thes parlamentary protestants thus they add They cannot see how possibly by the rules of diuinitie the separation of our churches from the church of Rome and from the Pope supreame heade thereof can bee iustified And againe in this maner They protest to all the world that the Pope and the church of Rome and in them God 〈◊〉 pa. 16. and Christ Iesus himselfe haue had greate vvronge and that the protestants churches are scâ—smaticall in forsakinge the vnion and communion vvith them And this hee that would bee named Archbishop of Canterbury euen by his owne groundes before should rather haue resolued vppon then contrary to his owne iudgment vnderstanding and conscience if I may vse that worde in such proceedings maintayne and aggrauate soe straunge and vnchristian persecutions against sacred and lawfull preisthood in others which though onely imputatiue pretended and vsurped in himselfe hee would haue soe much honored or rather by their Religion Idololatrated and worshipped as an Idoll ens rationis chymaera and noe reall thinge And this is one of his vnholy purchases by directinge Frauncys Mason in soe durtie a dawbinge woorke as his booke of pretended ordination is An other noe lesse prophane is this to demonstrate himselfe and all of his opinion before for the vnitie and generall accorde and agreement of all both english and other protestants in all essentiall substantiall and materiall points of Religion to bee prophane dissemblers seducers and men of noe Religion For in this soe essentiall and substantiall a question of a true and lawfull preisthood or ministery fundamentall or foundation in true worship they are soe diametrically and contradictoâ—ily dâ—â—ided and separated that some of them considently and as matter of faith beleeue and teach they haue noe callinge or ordination but from a woman vtterly disabled eyther to haue or giue yt the rest as certainely affirme that which they pretend to haue is from Antichrist which likewise can neither giue nor haue yt soe that by noe possibilitie they can bee reconciled to haue any title to a true ministery and Religion Their onely way of Reconcilement in some parte but to their little comfort is this if they will agree that Queene Elizabeth was Antichrist But Concerning their pretended ordination it is aboundantly and demonstratiuely confuted out of their owne lawes writings and diuinitie in a particular booke of that subiect and for that cause I had here passed it ouer with silence had I not beene aduertised that being diners monethes synce readie for the presse it is fallen into their pretended Bishops hands that intend to suppresse it And therefore in the Authors name I request them truely and worde for worde to publish yt with the best answeare they can make vnto yt And his promise is to make noe further reply vnto them in that busines soe confident hee is his booke to bee vnansweareable and their cause vndefensible But for feare they will behaue themselues in this as to my greuous experience they haue verie often done in the like before I must add somâ—hat in this place And first I tell M. Frauncys Mason b. of Consecrat Mason his directors telling vs that Matthew Parker was consecrated by foure true Bishops or three and a Suffragane That no notorious and contradictory lyers are to bee beleeued in their owne cause especially of such moment But all or moste of the protestant Relators of this by their owne Testimonie are lyers Therefore not to bee beleeued The maior proposition is euidently true And the minor thus pâ—oâ—ed for first whereas I finde three relators of this pretended Consecration and Butler epdef of their misâ—â—on Suâ—cliff ag D. â—ell pag. 5. Parkers Register Doctor Butler D. Sutcliffe and directed M Mason The first saith that Ihon Suffragan of Doâ—er was one of these Consecrators D. Sutcliffe his wordes are thus Bishop Parker was consecrated hy imposition of hands of Bishop Barlowe Bishop Couerdale Bishop Sâ—ory and twoe Suffragans of whome mention is made in the act of consecration yett to bee seene M. Mason Mason in â—ons Math. Park telleth there was but one Suffâ—agane there and hee was of Bedford Soe that in these three protestant cheife writers and allowed râ—lators of this pretended consecration there bee thrâ—e diuers and quite repugnant narrations of which if not all three yett at the leaste twoe of necessitie are notorious lyes and corruptions and all of them cite Matthew
them Further I argue in this maner Whatsoeuer is confidently taught printed and published by men of Religion is to bee allowed and graunted by all that acknowledg themselues to bee wholly of the same Religion with them in all things esseÌ„tiall But the hauing of the pure worde preached though essentiall in Religion is yet denyde by these consenting protestants to bee in their church Therfore they must graunt it is wanting with them The maior proposition is euidently true otherwise they should not agree but dissent in essentiall things The minor is thus proued by these agreing protestants M. Iacob one of their agreing protestants writeteh in these words the protestants flocke Iacob Reas pag. 52. pa. 52. 53. Iacob reas episc dedic pag. 51. of England cannot expect that heauen shall bee opened vnto them And thus further The english pâ—otestant Religion diminisheth the honor and dignitie of Christ impugneth the foundation of sauing faith and is contrary to Gods word And thus againe Christs owne ordinances necessarie to bee enioyed for our soules health are wanting in England tâ—ere is noe ordinary meanes of saluation Iacob exhor pag. 82. pag 79. 8 to bee had in the english protestant Religion euery man vvanteth the heauenly foode and perseruatiue appointed for vs of God the english protestant church vvanteth the ordinary meanes appointed of God for saluation to euery man Their agreing protestant author of the booke named Aduertisement spâ—eking of the errors of their english Aduertisement An. 1604. pag. protestant church writeth thus Millions of millions runne to eternall flames Christianitie is denyed in England by publicke authoritie Their Certaine dem An. 1605. p. 4â— thus well agreing Author of certayne demaunds hath these wordes The protestant Religion of England cannot bee kept vvithout breach of the commaundments Therfore the pure word of God is not preached with them their church not true their Religion false noe saluation to bee hoped with them therefore noe communion in Religion to bee yeelded vnto them And this is sufficiently graunted by the protestant Bishops themselues in their publicke Conference at Hampton Court where their behauiour and confession was this as the protestant Author of the first copie ioyned to that of their Bishop Barlowes setteth downe in thes words Canterbury London Winchester fell dovvne on their knees and desired that all things might remayne Conference at HamptoÌ„ copie 1. annexed to B. Barlovves printed by IhoÌ„windet Copie 2 sup least the papists should thinke vvee haue beene in error And this is confirmed by a seconde protestant writer and Copie of that conference in this maner Bishops of Canterburye London and Winchester makinge earnest suite that all things might stand as they did leaste the papists should take offence vvhoe might say vvee vvould persvvadâ— them to come to a church hauing errors in yt Like is the testimonie of a third Copie 3. protestant Copie followinge in the same place And D. Morton concludeth this matter with this generall protestant Maxime and grounde in their doctrine It is a generall Maxime there is none in the churche vvhose iudgment is of infallible Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 315. authoritie Then an other Maxime is that the protestants church is erroneous hath not true faith for euery article of faith being â—euealed of God is most certaine infallibly true The 4. particular protestant demonstration is because english protestants by their owne testimonies want the due ministration of Sacraments an other thinge alsoe essentiall to the true church by their owne Religion AS I haue proued in the former Chapter that the protestants of England haue not the pure worde of God preached amonge them because by their owne testimonie they haue noe true and lawfull preachers Soe I now demonstrate that they haue not the due ministration of Sacraments because they want a true and lawfull ministery and sacred ministers to administer them for where the due and right Actor and doer of a thinge is not the thinge cannot bee duely righly done because euery externall Action is an emanation or doing of the effect from the agent Secondly I argue thus These protestants haue not sacraments Therfore not sacraments duely ministred The consequence is euidently true for where there is noe action or thinge to bee done there yt cannot bee either dulie or vnduely done because yt can by noe wayes bee done The Antecedent that these protestants haue not sacraments I thus demonstrate from themselues for first they deny fyue of those seuen which the Apostolick Romane church receaueth onely retayning twoe as they themselues affirme that is Baptisme and the Lords supper as they name the moste holy sacrament of the Altar Soe that if but one of these twoe is wantâ—ng with them they cannot bee said to haue sacraments in the plurall number as their definition before containeth but one onely sacrament and if that is either wanting with them or not duely ministred by them they haue none at all duely ministred Now that the blessed sacrament of the altar is wanting in their church I thus demonstrate First because as they acknowledg it is to bee celebrated by a lawfully consecrated preist or minister as some of them rather call him yt selfe beinge a sacrament of greatest consecration and they haue not any such coÌ„secrated preist or minister in their church therefore this soe sacred and consecrated holy sacrament not being without such consecration and preist is not in their church and their breade and wyne is noe more a sacrament then that which in a tauerne is seet on the table by the drawer of the wine And for this present it is manifestly demonstrated by D. Couell and his priuiledging protestants whoe entreating of lawfully called sacred church preists or ministers hath these words To these parsons God imparted power ouer Couell def of Hook-pa 87. his misticall body which is the societie of soules ouer that naturall which is himselfe for the knittiuge of bothe in one a worke which antiquitie doth call the making of Christs body And in an other booke hee writeth thus The power of the Couell mod exam pag. 105. ministery by blessing visible Elements it maketh them inuisible grace it giueth dayly the holy ghost it hath â—o dispose of that flesh which was giuen for the life life of the worlde and that blood which was powred out tò rèdeme soules Where wee see a diuine and miraculous consecration and grace belonging to both these holy Sacraments of Order to consecrate and the most blessed Eucharist the bodie and blood of Christ to bee consecrated both which as is manifest are wanting in the english protestants church by their owne both practise and writings And to make this matter more euident if it could bee and further confirme that these men want this sacred Order and Sacrament of preisthood to minister this and the other sacraments hee writeth of yt againe in this maner It is a power Couell def sup
soe by breakinge any of them Scisme is contracted if I shall but onely proue they haue broken this vnitie in one they are proued Scismaticks by their owne proceedings But to proue them to bee in the highest degree of Scisme I will make demonstration that they are guiltie in breakinge all these vnities And first concerninge their first vnitie of subiection to lawfull Pastors I argue thus At the begynning of protestancie either the pastors of the Romane church namely the Pope when they reuolted from him were true pastors or not if they were not then their pretended ordination and Episcopalitie from thence is voyde if they were their true pastors then they are Scismaticks for their reuolt and disobedience vnto him Secondly I proue yt thus euery church not clayminge to bee supreame the superior mother or commaunding church and yett submitting yt selfe and obedient vnto none is scismaticall for not to obey a lawfull superior Pastor is scisme and their Bishop Barlowe hath told vs before that maioritie of Bishops is Barl. serm Sept. 21. 1606. an apostolicall tradition in all the vvorlde enacted for succedinge posteritie a canon or constitution of the vvhole Trinitie Therefore the english protestant church neuer clayminge this maioritie aboue others and yett obstinately repugnant and disobedient to that which euer had this Maioritie which as is proued by them before is the Romane church must needs bee scismaticall Thirdly D. Feild and these his protestants Feild l. 4. â—â— 5 p 202. haue assured vs That amonge those different degrees of obedience which wee must yeeld to them that commaunde and teache vs in the church of God wee must more especially respest the church of Rome then Catholicke Doctors the authoritie of catholicke Bishops or other churches though apoâ—â—olicke Therefore the english protestants soe willfully and maliciously disobedient and contumelious vnto yt are Scismaticks by their owne iudgment Secondly concerning his second vnitie whose breach maketh Scisme and is as hee saith The connexion and Communion vvhich many particular Feild l. 3. pag 70. sup churches and pastors of tâ—â—m haue amongâ— themselues The english protestants haue not communion or connexion with any either true or pretended churche in the worlde in their cheefest poynts of connexion communion or coordination as namely in their pretended Bishops and the manner of making them in Rulinge their congregation in the temporall princes supreamacie c. Therefore by breach of this vnitie alsoe they are Scismaticks by their owne Rule For Confirmation whereof D. Couell setteth downe the doctrine of other protestant churches in these words there is noâ— Couell def of Hook pa. 33. church where the gouernment by elders or presbytery wanteth this being as essentiall as either the Worde or sacraments And the protestant Author of the booke called Suruey writeth thus The Suru of comm B. pag. 24. english churches differ from all other reformed churches That they differ from the Romane and all other churches they willingly acknowledge therefore they are Scismaticks by their owne Censure For here wee see that there is noe true and reall connexion and communion of the english protestant congregation or pretended Pastors Bishops or ministerie with any either true or pretended church catholicke or protestant reformed or not reformed pastors presbyterie or whatsoeuer they will terme them in all the world And by this alsoe it is euident that they are Scismaticks by breakinge the third protestant vnitie In holdinge the same Rule of faith for these english protestants agreing with noe other church true or false in the Rule of faith as before must needs be Scismaticks alsoe by this title And soe moste notorious in this offence of scisme hauinge obstinately dissolued all christian vnities by their owne confession Further I argue thus whosoeuer by mayntayninge their sect or faction in Religion are forced to such absurdities that by the testimonies of their owne Brethren in Religion they make themselues and all of their doctrine to bee Scismaticks are to bee esteemed such But the english protestants are in this case therefore Scismaticks by their owne sentence The maior proposition is euident And the minor alsoe proued by them before and now breefely in this maner The protestant authors of the offer of Conference supposing that the english parlament protestants will defend their proceedings as they doe write in these words They cannot see how possibly by the Rules of diuinitie Offer of Conference pag. 11. tâ—e seperation of our churches from the church of Rome and from the Pope supreame heade thereof can bee iustified Then by their owne Rules before they are scismaticks which the same protestants protest expressely in this maner They protest to all the world that the Pope and the câ—urch of Rome and in them God and Christ sup pag. 16. Iesus himselâ—e haue had greate wronge and indignitie offered vnto them and that all the protestant churches are scismaticâ—ll in â—orsakinge vnitie and communion with them Which is further confirmed by an other of their reformed brethren though writinge somewhat later then my sixe yeares limitation whoe speaketh in this order As wee haue saide vnto you called Brounists soe DeclaratioÌ„ of the misterie of iniquitie An. 1612. pag. 156. wee say to England and to the presbytery holdinge of the Pope and that profession as you doâ— Then haue you of England and all the nations of the earthe synned grâ—ately to seperate from Rome in that you were all of one bodie and members one of an other and being beleâ—uers in Christ Iesus they are your brethren and ought not to seperate from Rome as you haue done If you of England and the presbyterie and you called Brouniâ—â—s did make any conscience to walke by the Rules of Christs â—erein you â—ould not walâ—e towards Rome as you doe Againe I argue in this maner whosoeuer are â—ither by themselues or others that bee in their opinion learned and consenting with them in all essentiall and materiall points condemned and censured to bee Scismaticks are to bee adiudged and auoyded as such in spirituall communications But these english protestants both parlamentaries and puritanes are in this state Therefore to bee as such adiudged and forsaken in Religeous communications The maior is euidently true because to bee in Scisme which excludeth forth of the true church out of which by these protestants before there is noe hope of saluation is a point both materiall and essentiall in Religion The minor proposition is proued by these protestants and puritanes mutually condemning themselues their essentially agreing brethren to bee scismaticks First their late protestant Archbishop of Canterbury D. Bancroft then of London in their publick Conference before the kinge calleth them scismaticks yt is thus recorded for action by their Bishop Barlowe in these wordes CoÌ„fereÌ„ce at Hampton Court p. 26. The Bishop of London kneelinge downe moste humbly desired his maiestie that the auntient Canon might bee remembred which saith that
offer yt any violence to frame it to an imagined conceit and to drawe it to an idle purpose Then noe meruaile if the Ignorant bee deceaued and seduced by such writers and preachers when noe Catholicke may bee suffered to write or speake against them though they haue by all meanes they can make moste humbly fought for equall Audience which the Protestant Author of the Relation of the state of Religion in some sort insinuateth in these words Catholicks crye maynely in all places Relation of Religion cap. 29. for triall by disputation thus did Campion many yeares since with vs Tâ—is â—s I passed tâ—râ—ughe Turricke did the Cardinall Andrea of Constance and his Iesuites not longe before the same was done to them of Geneuâ— and vâ—rye lately the Capuchins renwed the challâ—ndge Yett none will bee accepted nor other answeare returned but such sermons writings as wee haue related before and M. Ormerod describeth in thes words Ormer pict purit supr l. prefat in postscript diuers bookes printed against the papists are as fitt for the fyer as the conâ—uringe bookes ca. 19. Act. ver 19 and the publishers of such phantasticall bookes should bee hanged Bookâ—s are written by protestants and suffered to bee published which bee a greate disgrace to protestant Religion Besides their argument of persecution remembred by the same author in the name of protestants in this maner The Clinâ—e tâ—e Gatehouse the Ormer pict purit g. 1. white lyon and the fâ—â—ete haue beâ—nâ— protestants onely Arguments whereby they haue proued their cause those many yeares Hee might haue added moste bloodie rigorous and iniurious edicts Tortures penalties arraigmâ—nts iudgments executions c. And yett they haue gayned noe more then Iulian and other persecutors haue done Gods Auger vnto themselues and glorie and euerlastinge renounce vnto Catholicks for such sufferings registred by their owne protestant writer a man of greate witt worthe and place amonge them in these words The sufferings Relation of Religion cap. 31. and martirdomes of english Catholicks in these time are recompted to the height of Neroes Dioclesians persecutions and the sufferers of their side bothe in meritts of cause in extreamitie of Torments and in constancie and patiâ—nce to the renouned Martyrs of that heroicall church age Thus this protestant relateth the iudgment of forreyne nations concerninge english protestant persecutions towards their contry Catholicks The 10. particular protestant demonstration is Because these protestants contrarye to the nature of true beleeuers and the true church by their owne doctrine are by their owne testimonies alsoe generally moste vile wicked impious and gracelesse people MY next protestant demonstration shall bee taken from their lyues maners and behauiour Befor which I sâ—ppose the common doctrine of these protestants That good â—orkes and true faith cannot bee separated testified not onely by D. Willet D. Feild M. Thomas Rogers Willet Antilog p. 207 Feild Rogers pa. 55. pa. 56. Articles of ReligioÌ„ art 12 and others but alsoe by their highest authorised articles in these words Good workes doe springe out necessarily of a true and liuely faith in soe much that by them a liuely faith may bee as euidently knowne as a tree discerned by the fruite Therefore seing there is as they tell vs an euident and necessarie coniunction of these they cannot bee seperated which M. Rogers would not onely proue by scriptures in this maner Rogers sup cil Matth. 7. 16 Math. 3. 12 Ihon 13. 35 luk 6. 36. Eph. 1. 1. 1. Ihon 3. 10 CoÌ„fess Helu 2. ca. 16. Basil ar 8. Bohem. c. 7. Gal. ar 22. Belg. 24. Saxon. ar 3 WitteÌ„b c. 7 Sueu c. 4. Powell l. 2. Antichrist p. 474. 476. The scripture saith and sheweth that by good workes are knowne the good trees from the bâ—dd the wheate from the chaffe the true disciples from the false the sonnes of God from the children of Sathan the regeneratâ— from the vnbeleeuers Hereticks vnto the Saincts and churches doe subscribe And citeth the protestant Confessions of Heluetia Basile Bohemia Fraunce Belgia Wittemberge Sueuia for thie subscription and doctrine To these I add an other receaued doctrine of protestants of the certayntie of their being in true faith grace and to bee predestinate entreated before and soe confidently taught that M. Powell calleth it blasphemye to deny yt his words bee these It is blasphemous doctrine to say as the church of Rome doth that saith is onely in generall propositions as hee that keepeth the commaundements shall enter into life and hee that bâ—leâ—ueth and is baptized â—hall bee saued and not in these particulars I shall enter into life I shall bee saued or my synnes are forgiuen Then if as before by their doctrine true faith and good workes are euidently and necessarilie conioyned to gether and vnseperable it is blasphemous by true consequence to say that a man or men or church wantinge good workes by their owne confession and alsoe ouerwhelmed with euill workes and all kinde of syns and iniquities haue true faith true Religion or church or shall bee saued wherevppon I argue thus Noe men societie or Congregation conuicted by their owne testimonies to bee â—ereticks which want true faithe can haue those things that are in their iudgment vnseperable from yt which bee good workes But these english protestants as is proued before by them selues are in this case Therefore they haue not good workes Therefore not the true church Therefore not to bee communicated with in Religeous busines All things in this argument are proued before and confessed by these protestants Againe I argue in this maner noe men infected and defiled with such euill works as depryue and leaue men destitute of grace can haue good workes done by grace and in grace But the english protestants by their owne testimonies before are in this condition Therfore they haue not good workes of grace The maior is euidently true for to haue grace and not to haue grace are contradictories Therefore if it bee true that protestants haue not grace it is false to say that they haue grace The minor proposition is manifestly proued before in that protestants are proued by themselues to bee Scismaâ—icks vsurpers in Religion prophane lyers dissemblers feducers c. which being mortall and damnable fyns must needs depryue them of grace and leaue them gracelesse For as they conclude in their Conference euery Conferencâ— pag. 41. greuous synne depriueth of grace and iustification their proposition there is this whosoeuer though before iustified did commit any greuous syn as adultery murther treason or the like did become ipso facto subiect to Gods wrathe and guiltiâ— of damnation quoad prasentem statum vntill they did repent Therefore protestants by these their owne doctrines haue neither good workes nor good beleife or faithe And soe not to bee communicated with in such busines of Religion And from this soe generally receaued protestant doctrine of England Heluetia Basile Bohemia Gallia Belgia Saxonia Wittemberge that
the want of good workes is a knowledge and distinguishing signe belonginge to chaffe false disciples children of Sathan and vnbeleeuers to discerne them from the true beleeuers and seruants of God I argue thus Noe societie Congregation or companie of men which by their owne testimonies doe not onely want good workes but bee generally defiled with most heynous and greuous syns can bee the children of God true beleeuers or to bee communicated with in causes of Religion But the english protestants are in this condition Therefore not the true beleeuers true church or to bee communicated with in spirituall things The maior proposition is the common doctrine of all those protestant churches before remembred And the minor proposition of the impietie and wickednes of protestants is thus proued by their owne writings M. Hull speakinge of his fellowe protestants writeth thus These are the dayes whereof our Sauiour Hull Rom. polec prefâ—â— Christ and his Apostles soe longe agoe prophesied wherein charitie should waxe colde and faith should searce appeare wherein men should bee â—â—idebacks from Christ and Apostates from true Religion wherein they should bee louers of themselues couetous cursed speakers disobedient vntankefull vnholy true breakers false accusers despisers of them that are good traytors headie high minded louers of pleasures more them of God hauinge a shewe of Godlines but haue denyed the power thereof yea wherein men are become vsers newters temporisers Atheistes An other protestant writeth in these termes The protestans Cort. considâ—rat An. 1605. epist dâ—dicat Religion of England is much like an euill herbe which if it bee not speedely rooted vpp but suffered to spreade will soone ouerspreade the gardâ—ns of God with vice and impietie as there will scarcely Willet Antilog pa 28 hath these words Wee iustely complayne of the prophanes of these times and of the ouerflowinge of iniquitie euen where Religion is moste puerly professed Then that Religion must needs bee Parkes Apolog epist dedicat impuer by their former doctrine M. Parkes alsoe speakinge of protestants speaketh in this maner euery man maketh Religion the handemaide of his affections Weâ— are come to that declinge age of the worlde foretolde by the Apostle 2. Tim. 1. 2. 3. 4. wherein men should bee louers of themselues fastidious arrogant couetous maledicous immorigerous c. for euen such are these our times selfe loue hath banished sobrietie pridâ— humilitie malice charitie disobedience dutie dissention vnitie prophanesse sanctitie and in a 〈◊〉 sayned zeale true deuotion Concerninge the pretended ministers how far they are ouerwhelmed with wickednes is spoken befor To which I add these protestant testimonies M. Ormerod writeth thus The taunts and contumelies Ormer pict pur f. 3. l 4. of Ministers against Ministers are vnchristean they refuse to salute one an other but one spitteth in the face of an other wishinge the plaque of God to light vppon them saying they were damned Neither is this peculiar to english ministers for the protestant relator of religion writeth thus of forreyne ministers In the diuision Relation cap. 4â— of protestants into their factions the ministers haue soe behaued themselues that it threatneth a greate ruyne and calamitie neither is there any greate doubt but if any stay and agreement could bee taken with the turke all Germanie wers in daunger to bee in vproare within it selfe by intestine dissention To this lamentable extremitie hath the headines of the mininisters brought it But of their moste wicked both doctrine and behauiour against princes and common wealthe I will entreate hereafter In the meane time it iâ— allreadie euident that this moste vile and prophane state of wickednes is not in some few as may bee fownde amonge men of true Religion not lyuinge accordinge to the rules thereof But generall and vniuersall which must needs proceede from the nature of their pretended Religion it selfe hauing in yt and publishinge to the worlde to all men to vewe and followe soe many errors tendinge and leadinge vnto all libertie and licentiousnes of life and neither hauinge sacraments or any instrument of grace to preuent synnes and their occasions in any callinge or state of men marryed oâ— vnmaryed olde or yonge cleargie or laitie lyuinge or dyinge nor any one rule to warrant vnto them for true faith any one article which they hold whether in yt selfe it bee true or false all which more absurdities of such nature are demonstratiuely befor proued against them by their owne writings The 11. particular protestant demonstration for Catholicks iust Recusancie is Because the English protestants by their owne writings are not onely enemies to the temporall princes claime of supreamacie in ecclesiasticall causes aduauncing their Bishops and presbyteries aboue yt but deny alsoe his suuâ—ranitie in matters temporall by their consequences NOw lett vs come to those Questions for which soe many Catholicks and Religeous parsons haue suffered Martyrdome and moste greuous persecutions in the times of kinge Henry 8. Queene Elizabeth and our present Soueraigne kinge Iames the claymed supreame spirituall power of temporall princes in cause ecclesiasticall in this kingedome and that power and Authoritie concerning temporall princes which these english protestants affirme Catholickes doe giue to the Pope of the highest apostolicke See of Rome proued before by these protestants to bee supreame heade gouernor an earthe of Christs churche and greatest commaunding iudge in spirituall causes I am to proue in this demonstration That these protestant Bishops puritanes and presbyterie by their owne testimonies giue not soe much power and authoritie to the teÌ„porall prince as wee doe And yett arrogate challendge to themselues in their pretended Bishops and presbiterie more commaunde iurisdiction and authoritie ouer temporall kings and princes then Catholicke writers and scholes allowe or attribute to the Pope of Rome And that if the parlament had framed an oathe as much concerninge the power of their Bishops and presbiteries as their soe named Oathe of alleadgeance concerneth the Popes priuilâ—dges Noe protestant or puritane by the groundes of their Religion should coulde or might haue taken yt What they would or will doe in such a case I dare not vndertake for men soe conuicted before to bee by their owne testimonies most notorious dissemblers deceauers willfull seducers lyers periured and foresworne people in matters of Religion And this is made moste manifest that allthough they generally condemne their owne Religion for hereticall their seruice for damnable their ministery for Antichristian or none at all their supposed ordination for ridiculous The articles of their Religion for false and erroneous Their Canons and Censures to bee vngodly vnlawfull as is proued by themselues before and absolutely deny the kings supreamacie in most dauÌ„gerous degree as will be euideÌ„t against them by their owne writings in this Chapter yett contrary to all â—ruthe Religion consciencâ— and morall honestie they haue generally sworne protested subscribed vnto and doe practice to their owne damnation in these
PROTESTANTS DEMONSTRATIONS FOR CATHOLIKS RECVSANCE ALL TAKEN FROM SVCH ENGLISH Protestant Bishops Doctors Ministers parlaments lawes decrees and proceedings as haue beene printed published or allowed among them in England since the cominge of our king Iames into this kingdome and for the most parte within the first six or seuen yeares thereof AND EVIDENTLIE PROVINGE by their owne writings that english Catholiks may not vnder damnable syn coÌ„municate with English Protestants in their Seruice Sermons or matters of Religion and soe conuincinge by theÌ„selues their ReligioÌ„ to be most damnable among other things their ministery to bee voide false vsurped Princes haue persecuted mee without a cause Psalm 118. By IOHN HEIGHAM at Douay VVith Licence ANNO 1615. A BRIEFE TABLE OF THESE DEMONSTRATIONS The 1. Demonst. Because by their owne testimonies it would be an act and offence vnreasonable irreligious and damnable pag. 1. The 2. Demonst. In respect of their Ministers vnlawfull false and intruded and not to be coÌ„municated with by their owne writinges pag. 21 The 3. Domonst Because the not preaching of the worde of God is not among them by their owne testimonies pag. 49. The 4. Demonst Because English Prot. by their owne testimonies want the due administration of Sacraments pag 56 The 5. Demonst Because these Prot. manifestliâ— acknowledg that their pretended church is not the true câ—urch of God pag. 62 The 6. DemoÌ„st Because English Prot by their owne testimonies are rotorius heretiques pag. 65 The 7. Demonst Because English Prot. by their owne writiâ—ges are scismatiques pag. 78 The 8 Demonst Becauâ—e the publique Prot. seruice is false hereticall iustlie condemned and damnable by their owne doctrin pag. 85. The 9. Demonst Because these Prot. by their owne testimonies are manifest dessemblers wilful deceiuers seducers lyers and periured in matters of Religion pag. 91. The 10. Demonst. Because these Prot by their owne testimonies are generallie most vild â—iâ—â—ed impious and gracelâ—s people pag. 106 The 11. Demonst Because English â—rot by their owne writinges are not onlie enemies to the temporall princes claime of supremacie in ecclesiastical causes but deny also his soueraignitia in matters temporall pag. 112. TO OVR MOST MIGHTIE SOVERAIGNE KING IAMES AND ALL HIS MOST HONORABLE NOIBLITIE MOST MIGHTIE KINGE and MOST honorable Lordes as among humane and naturall Combinations non are greater more generall and binding then those of one nature nation and kindred Soe in nature nothinge can bee more vnnaturall then vnworthily to dissolue violentlie to seperate or destroy these vnions soe inuiolably to bee preserued All persecuted Catholicks of this kingdom armen vnited and comprehended in mankinde equally as you or the most renowned of you or other protestants They are of the same nation our best belowed England english with you And verie late and new would that persecuting protestants disceÌ„t appeare whoe could truely say hee hath noe preist or Catholicke of his familie which in this longe and greuous persecution hee persecuteth not and himselfe in them If any man obiect that Religion for which they suffer is of an heauenly and high or nature religing and binding not only man to man but man to his God and maker by the greatest felatie and homadge must answeare by yout one proceedings This is soe far from excusinge your persecutions that it vtterly accuseth in all true Iudgment more condemneth them For your doctors assure vs that the church of Christ cannot bee without true discipline to punish and correct offendors and make yt an vnseparable note thereof yett your same protestant both lawes writers and proceedings are witnesses that your preteÌ„ded Examples watrant and power to punish as you doe the ReuereÌ„d preists and other Catholicks of this kingdom are by manie hundred yeares to yonge to make your Religion soe old and powerable that yt may safelie and securely persecute your Mother church of Rome that brougt vs forth to Christ whose obedient and dutifull children you and all others ought to bee That claymed authoritie by which you afflict vs neuer receaued life vntill the decaying time of kinge Henry the eight And then your soe named Archbishop Parker Statut. An. 24. vel 25. Henric. 8. Math park in antiquit Britannic in Henr. 8. Ioan Bal. l. descrâ—ptor Brit. in Augustino fol. 34. 35. writeth that the popes power and Religion had raigned in England aboue neyne hundred yeares From the first conuersion of this english nation by S. Augustine as hee meaneth and an other of your stiled protestant Bishops in the words is witnes Augustinus Romanus Benedictini sodaliâ—ij monachus à Gregorio primo ad Anglosaxones papistica fide initiandos Apostolus mittitur Augustine a Roman monke of the company of Benedict was sent from Gregory the first an Apostle to instruct the English Saxons in the papisticall faithe And to proue this faith was then Bal. supr fol. 34. receaued hee addeth Ethelbertus Rex Romanismum cum adiunctis superstitionibus suscepit Kinge Ethelbert receaued Romanisme or Romiâ—h Religion with the superstitions adioined For soe your writers terme that sacred doctrine Your blodye lawe against the venerable preists of that holie church and profession is of noe greater Antiquitie then the seuen and twenteth yeare of the Raigne of Queene Elizabeth Statut. An. 27. Elizab. cap. and then but the Edict of a woman not much powerable in spirituall busines Yett Romane preisthood must needes bee as auncient as Romane Religion Which your owne cited Author Bal. supr fol. 35 pag. 1. farther warranteth in this maner Augustinus introduxit altaria vestimenta vasa sacra reliquias ceremoniarum codices quae omnia cum benedictione Petri miserat ei Gregorius Nam primum eorum studium erat circa missarum oblationes sedes episcopales ac decimaâ— ob id coactâ synodo mandauit Romanus vbique consuetudines seruari Augustine brought in altares vestiments holy vessels Relicks and bookes of ceremonies all which with the blessing of Peter Gregorie had sent vnto him For their first or cheife studie was about the oblations of masses episcopall Sees and Tithes And therefore assemblinge a synode hee commaunded the Romane customes to bee kept euery where Then if besides our seruice and Ceremonies as the Romane and commaunde of that Mother church Altares masse and sacrifice were then in vse our preisthood could not bee wanting for a principall doctor in your church with publick allowance writeth VVee cannot dislike the Morton Appeale pag. 162. l. 2. cap. 6. sect 1. Reinolds conf pag. 550. sentence of D. Reynaldes concerning the mutuall Relation and dependance betweene an Altar and sacrifice But graunt that Altare doth as naturally and necessarily inferr a sacrifice as a shryne doth a Saint a father a sonne And hee addeth thus Cardinall Bellarmine said truly Viz sacrifice preisthood are Relatiues Then if your doctors doctors Reynolds and Morton with their approuers approue this doctrine they must approue also the antiquitie and honor of our sacred
admitt for the greatest reason of satisfaction For if it bee held an excellent point of phisicke ex vipera theriacâ—m to turne poâ—son into an Antidote against poyson and in God accompted an highe degree of vengeance to turne the Egyptians against the Egyptians and in Dauid celebrated as a principall matter of triumphe to cutt of Goliah his heade with his owne sworde and in Christ obserued as an vnansweareable matter of conuiction to iudge the euill seruant by his owne mouthe and acknowledged in S. Paule as the moste expedite meanes of confutation of the men of Crete to oppose against them their owne c. And yett to giue them more aduantage I wil demonstrate onelie by those english writers and proceedings of their protestant Religion which haue beene printed published or allowed amonge them synce his maiesties cominge into England and principallié within the first sixe or seuen yeares thereof that english Catholicks soe greuously punished for refusinge to communicate with their contrie protestants in sacraments seruice sermons or exercises of their Religion cannot doe yt by their owne Iudgments nor they exact yt without moste greuous deadelie and damnable syn And because I freelie acknowledge myselfe a preist of the Romane church and offer to defend or proue against all protestants or other Enemies the moste honorable dignitie of that sacred function And your proceedings propose oathes to trie the loialtie of english preists and Catholicks knowinge that wee will rather suffer deathe and all miseries as wee haue done then to sweare any the leaste things which wee thinke vntrue Beinge now come to my decaying time tree and fistie yeares of age doe take and leaue behinde mee as a memoriall of my Innocencie this ensuing oathe and desire it bee named An oathe of a Catholicke preist his true alleadgeancie to kinge and contrye Humblie submittinge my Iudgment in all religeous doctrine with all true ChristiaÌ„s to our mother church of Rome a Rule Kings spâ—acâ— in hâ—â—â— parlament to all both in doctrine and ceremonies as his maiesties publicke censure is I protest in verbo veritatis takinge God and the whole Court of heauen to wittnes that I neuer committed in deed word or consent any treason or conspiracie either against our kinge Iames his maiestie whose moste dutifull and obedient subiect in all ciuill obedience I humblye acknowledge myselfe and soe entreate to bee accepted of him or against Queene Elizabeth his predecessor or any forreyne prince in whose dominion I haue lyued And I call againe God and the Court of heauen to wittnes that I neuer committed against this kingdome of England my dearest contry or anyother state or prouince where I haue lyued or my parson in them lyuing or deceased murther theft Rapine violence vsury oppression enchaâ—nâ—mâ—nt sorcerye fornication addultery or other carnaâ—l act with any creature periurye false testimoniâ— gluttonie drunkennes or any greate or scandelous sinne to my knowledge disgracefâ—lly punishable by the lawes of England of which â— haue beene a student and by the grace of God giuen in my holy Religion I hope intend and purpose soe to perseuer all my life Soe helpe me God and his holy Saincts You see how confidentlie I haue sworne such an oathe of fidelitie and Innocencie from offence concerninge temporall Regiment or dutie of a subiect to his soueraigne as I stand in doubt whether any of your pretended Cleaâ—gie protestant will second mee therein or noe And yett there is noe matter against your Religion conteyned in yt as your soe named newe oathe of alleadgeance comprehendeth against the Pope and church of Rome as they haue censured to whome soe greate respect as before is due by your owne doctors sentences But I am out of all doubt that manie reuerende and learned preists of this kingdome will in Innocencie add to that which I haue begun And all the rest of that consecrated companie still sufferringe for that most glorious and holy cause will bee able to performe as much in that kinde as any temporall Soueraigne can in conscience exact of a spirituall and cleargie man and more then your best and moste selected Bishops or Ministers will assume to doe For matters of Religion this treatise will bee our warrant that wee must continue our vnitie with our Mother church of Rome and not with those whoe by their owne Iudgments and testimonies are Hereticks Scismaticks damnably seducers and seduced and such as by manie other titles by their owne conclusions are men not to bee communicated with in busines of Religion except men would willfullie incurre damnation Such as your moste allowed doctors writters are most manifestlie proued in this worke by their owne writings Therfore I craue pardon that the harshenes or distastfull euidence of thes protestant demonstrations bee not imputed vnto mee but to your owne protestant and puritane doctors Authors and publishers of them to the worlde for by their authorities and in their name I am to dispute proceede in euerie Argument and conuiction And because I desire to bringe securitie to all Readers that noe english protestant or puritane can by their owne Religion take iust exception against the weakest Conclusion of this booke I haue not handled any matters in yt but such as by their owne agreement ar essentiall materiall and fundamentall in Religion For how soeuer otherwise they disagree and ar not easelie to bee distinguished yett in thes soe necessarie and vnseperable things of true Religion as they tell vs they all agree D. Georg. Abb. ag Hill pag. 101. 102. 94. 106. 236. 237. 347. Doue persuas pag. 32. Morton full satisf pag. 18. The words of your present Archbishop of Canterbury ar thes protestants puritanes did neuer differ in any point of substance in substantiall points of faithe there is noe variance amonge vs. And this hee affirmeth seuen times at the leaste in one booke The protestant Bishop of Peterborough writeth thus in maâ—ters of Religion wee all agree D. Morton D. Sutcliffe D. Willet Wotton Middleton Powell the Sutel ag kâ—ll pag. 42 Willet Antib pag. 15 WottoÌ„ def of Perk pag 28. Middl pag 201. Povvel ag ap ep pag. 48. 45. Abrâ—dg Edw. holy knight pag. 103. of his 〈◊〉 Puritanes in their Abridgment with others too manie to bee cited are of the same opinion And it is soe generallie allowed amonge them that they tell vs non but such as they terme Papists Goliathes vncircumcised Philistines lyers and will affirme the contrarie Your circumcised knight as hee will bee named writeth thus our formalists and Presbyterians how soeuer they bee somewhat different in habite yett are they vnited in harte readie at all times to Ioyne in battell against any vncircumcised Philistine that dares contest against the vniformitie of their Rogers pref to the booke of articles faith Your publick glosser vppon your approued articles writeth in this maner The verie brethren themselues doe write that in regard of the common groundes of Religion and the
ministery wee are all one wee are all of one faithe VVee are ministers of the worde by one order wee preache one faith and substance of doctrine Then which nothing was euer more truly said or written Willet Antilog pag. 15. 20. Your greate Controuertist D. Willet writeth thus amonge protestants of â—ngland there is noe difference or dissâ—nt in any substantiall point of faith As for puritans and Caluinio-papists they are termes of papists deuisinge D. Georgâ— Abb. sup pa. 90. 106. 236. 237. Povvell sup pag. 48. 52 Your present protestant Archbishop of Canterbury is soe confident herein that hee vseth thes wordes Noe Goliath against vs can proue the contrary D. Powell with publicke approbation hath thes wordes Noe reformer euer distinguished betweene protestants and them of the reformed church The puritans doe not affirme the diuision betweene protestants and them to bee in substantiall points non but papists affirme that protestants and puritans differ in substantiall points of faith and hee lyeth which saith they differ in substantiall poyntes Like are the testimonies of others But thes are fullie sufficient in this place Therefore seeing I am to alleadge onelie causes and reasons essentiall and substantiall in Religion from thes your english protestant Bishops and doctors why their countrie Catholicks may not by their owne doctrines and proceedings communicate with them in matters of Religion It is euident that noe english protestant or puritane may or in conscience ought to denie any such authoritie to bee cited in this treatise or any conclusion truelie and scientificallie deduced from such their allowed principles for in soe doeinge by their generall graunt before hee should become a papist and a recusant to communicate with protestants or a blasphemous Goliah vncircumcised philistine or a lyer by their owne censure and Iudgment which would bee new and vrgent causes to auoide all spirituall communion with such men Wherevppon presuminge that noe aduersarie will soe muche disable my studyes in diuinitie and artes subordinate vnto yt But that I am able from graunted and allowed principles to deduce necessarie and vndemiable Conclusions I therefore doe confidentlie name this worke A booke of english protestants Demonstrations for English Catholicks recusancie Because the moste iust causes of Catholicks refusall to communicate with protestanâ—s in Religion are euidentlie proued by those protestants them selues in this Treatise And soe in all obedient and humble manner I take my leaue I rest and hope to continue for euer in all dutifull and beseeminge obedience and loue to our moste blessed Sauiour his Holie church and Religion his maiestie my dearest countrie and your Lordships the moste honorable portion thereof as I haue before professed and obliged myselfe by attestation and bonde vnuiolable PROTESTANTS DEMONSTRATIONS FOR CATHOLICKS RECVSANCIE The first particular protestant Demonstration why english Catholicks may not communicate in spirituall thinges with protestants is because by their owne testimonies yt would bee an act and offence vnreasonable irreligious and damnable THAT it is not lawfull for any Catholicke or member of the Romane church to communicate in Religion and spirituall thinges with the protestants of England I demonstrate by their owne testimonies And first argue thus Noe professors of Religion may lawfully and with securitie forsake that church and communion in which by the testimonie of aduersaries themselues there is saluation and many haue beene by that profession glorious Saints to communicate with a new Religion whereof there is noe such hope or certaine expectation But the state of Catholicks by communicating wâ—th protestants and forsakinge vnion with the church of Rome should bee in this â—erplexitie euen by thes protestants confession Therefore they may not in conscience forsake communion with the Romane church to ioyne with thes protestants in such busines The fiâ—st proposition is euidently true for good thinges and certaine may not bee left and forsaken for thingeâ— either euill or vncertainely good And that men may not communicate in a straunge Religion is confirmed by D. Couell and M. Hull prouinge yt by many Couell exaÌ„ â—a 200. 201 Hul. Rom. â—ol p. 30. 31 32. 33. 34. Sutcliff exaÌ„ of petit pa. 10. 11. Povvel ref â—pist apoloâ—â—tic pag. â—5 23. 26. 27. 100. 114 112. 113. c. Feild pa. 27 pag. 182. examples and testimonies of scriptures and antiquitie Tâ—at wee may not communiâ—ate â—ith men of a diuers Religion D. Sutcliffe telleth vs that such communion is reproued by the authoritie both of the fathers of the church and of aunâ—iâ—nt Christian Empâ—rors The like hee testifieth of Holy scriptures M. Powell is plentifull in this matters and not needfull to bee cited noâ— man of learninge and conscience affirminge communion in a false or contrary Religion to bee lawfull The minor proposition of certaintie of saluation in the Roman church is thus confirmed by thes protestants D. Feilds wordes bee thes the Romane and laâ—ine church continued the true church of God euen till our tyme and againe in this maner Wee doubt not but the church of Râ—me in which the Bishop thereof exaltâ—d himselfe was not withstandingâ— the true câ—urch of God that is helâ— a sauing profession of the truthe in Christ and by force thereof conuerted many contryes from error to truthe D. Couell writeth thus in the name of them all Protestants Couell def of hooke pa. 68. doe gladly acknowledge them of the Romane church to bee tâ—â— family of â—hesus Christ they of Rome Were still are in the church it â—â— straunge for any man to deny them of Rome to bee of the church Wee affirme them of the Romane church Couell supr pag 73. 76. to bee partes of the church of Christ and that those that lyue and dye in that church may bee saued Yett both hee and D. Feild giue this sentence Couell sup pag. 76. Feild p. 69. Feild pag. 182. there iâ— noe saluation remission of synnes or hope of eternall life out of the church D. Feild further telleth vs that diuers of the Romane church euen of the best learned that coulde not pleade Ignorance bee saued and Saints in heauen Their Bishop Barlowe hath written how greate difficultie it is for princes to bee saued Barl. ag a name lâ—sse Cathol Willet An. pag. 144. Speede Theat of greate Britan yett D. Willet writeth thus it is not denyed by any protestant but many renowned kinges and Queenes of the Romane faithe are Saincts in heauen The names of our moste holy kinges and Queenes of England which M. Speede in his late Theater of greate Britanie relateth to haue forsaken their Crownes and kingdomes to become pore Monkes Nunnes in that church and Religion and to bee chronicled for all posterities to haue beene moste holy one â—arthe and now glorious Saints in heauen are too many to bee recited Therefore seing thes protestants assure vs that the church of Rome is the true church of Christ they that liue and dye in yt come to heauen and many
such are soe renowned Saints with God in heauen and that out of the true church there is noe saluation remission of sinnes or hope of eternall life and there is but one true church Catholicks in conscience cannot forsake the Religion and communion of that sacred and sauing Roman church to communicate with protestants Againe I argue thus That church and Religion â— vnto which all former good Christians of this kingdome whether Brittanes Romanes Saxons Danes Noruegians or Normans kinges or subiects were vnited in Religion vntill the tyme of kinge Henry the eight is still in all prudent Iudgment to bee continued in and communicated withall But the Romane church and Religion is such Therfore not to bee forsaken The maior proposition is euidently true for of necessitie that Religion of Christ which is good and maketh the professors of it such is to bee embraced and followed and they which embrace and followe yt to bee imitated and communicated with and the contrary to bee auoyded and forsaken for as it is the nature of goodnes and good thinges to bee desired and embraced Soe of euill such things to bee left and refused The Minor proposition is manifest by too many protestants to bee recited in this place I will therefore onely alledge their cheifest latest and moste approued writers M. Speed taking vppon him the name of the Author of the late booke called the Theater of greate Britaine is soe partiall a reporter Theater of greate Brit. in all christian kings vntill Henry 8. of things for protestants by Instigation of their Bishops and Ministers that hee is taxed by all indifferent men that were either the Composers of yt or that haue perused it with equall Iudgment And yett hee is wittnes through the Regiments of all Christian kings of England from Lucius the first vnrill the desolution begen by K. Henry the eight that the popes supreamacies Holy sacrifices of Masse prayer to Saincts and for the deade reuerence of Holy relicks and Images pilgrimage purgatory and other catholicke doctrines now impugned by protestants were euer allowed and generally practiced in this kingdome by practice and deuoute profession whereof to omit subiects though of high renowne sonnes and daughters of kings them selues more kings and Queenes in England became religeous monkes and Nunnes and now by thes protestants are honored for glorious kinges Queenes and Saincts in heauen Then euer were protestant kinges and Queenes in all the world though neuer soâ— vnworthy the name of Theater of greate Brit. pag. 33. n. 8. pag. 49. n. 5. pag. 53. pag 159 p. 161. pag. 294. pag. 298. pag. 301. pag. 305. Theat supr pag. 344. pag. 47. pag. 302. pag. 306. pag. 308. pag. 310. pag. 311. pag. 338. pag. 361. pag. 364. pag. 366. Saincts or sanctitie Such were as thes protestants tell vs Kinge and Sainct Ethelbert kinge and Sainct Offa and Sainct Fremandus his sonne kinge and Sainct Cheldwald kinge and Saint Sebba and his sonne and heire kinge and Saint Sighâ—rd kinge and Saint Ceolnulph kinge and Saint Egbert kinge and Saint Ethelred kinge and S. Errcombert kinge and S. Inas kinge and Saint Richarde kings and Saincts Edwards kinges and Sainct Epmunds and others women Queenes and Saincts Queene and Saint Outhburge Queene and Sainct Etheldred Queene and Saint Kineburge Queene and Saint Eadburge Queene and S. Eue Queene and S. Ethelburge Queene and S. Oswith kinge Sebba his wife not named by them Queene and Sainct kinswith Queene and Sainct Ermenhâ—ld Queene and S. Sexburge Queene and S. Ethelswith Queene S. Elfride Queene and S. Eanfled Queene and S. Edgine Queene and S. Edith Queene and S. Elfgine Queene and S. Emna Queene and Saint Eleanor with others That thes holy kinges and Queenes now glorious Saincts in heauen such as a false Religion could not make them were of that holy catholicke and Romane Religion which wee now professe and for profession Theater in those kinges and Queenes c. Bale l. de scrip Britan. in Augustino Parker in antiq Britan in Cranmer will in Synops Antylog c. Theater pa. 203. cap 9. Suteliff ag Kell pa. 105 Theater sup pag. 222. kinge Edw. lavves fol. 231. pag. 1. thereof vndergoe soe many miseries not only this their Theater but their pretended Bishop Bale before their soe named Archbishop Parker Doctor Willet and others testifie neither was there from the begynning by their writings any Religion or iurisdiction lawfully practised in this kingdome but from S. Peter the Apostle and the Popes of Rome of S. Peter thus they write That hee here founded churches D. Sutcliffs argument of Supreamacie and ordayned preists and deacons is reported by Simon Metaphraâ—â—es out of the greeke antiquities not likely to corrupt for the Romane church Guilielmus Eisingrenius in the first of his Century whoe saith that Peter was here in Neroes tyme They vrge for Pope and S. Eleuthertus epistle to kinge Lucius the lawes of S. Edward published by their protestant frend M. Lambert of Kent out of their Bishop Parkers library And by them and those their published lawes is euident that the Brittanes did not onely receaue all spirituall Iurisdiction Religion Bishops and preists from that holy Pope but temporall benefites more then protestants are gratefull for or I meane to vrge or stand vppon The wordes of those their cited lawes in the very page before are thes concerning King Edwards lavveâ— fol. 130 pa. 2. the Crowne of England The whole land all the Ilands to Norway and Denmarke belonge to the Crowne of his kingdome and are of the appendancies and dignities of the kinge and it is one Monarchie and oâ—e kingdome and was sometime called the kingdome of Britanye and now called the kingdome of Englishmen For Lord Eleutherius Pope whoe first sent an hallowed Crowne to Britanny and Christianitie by Gods inspiration to Lucius kinge of the Britannes appointed and allowed to the Crowne of the kingdome such metes and bowndes as are said before Of our Conuersion and Religion by S. Augustine and after they haue spoken sufficiently before I will add but one testimonie of their primatiue kinge and Saint Inaâ— their words bee thus Kinge Ina builded the renowned abbey of Theater pa. 298. 299. n. 11. Glastembury moste stately to the honor of Christ Peter and Paule where formerly stood the old Cell of Ioseph of Aremathia Which this kinge Ina after a moste sumptuous maner new built The Chappell whereof he garnished with gold syluer and gaue riech ornaments therto as altare Chalice Censor candlesticks Bason and holy water buckett Imadges and pale for the altare of an incredible value For the golde there vppon besiowed amounted to three hundred three pownde whaight and the syluer to twoe thowsand eight hundred thirtie fiue pownde besides prctious gemmes embrouched in the celebrating vesteres hee instituted a yearely payment to the See of Rome a penny for an howse on lammas day called Peter pence After hee had raigned in
noe spiriâ—uall communion to bee had with them both propositions are graunted anâ— proued by â—heses protestants before and further may bee confirmed by these words of D. Feild for the maâ—or proposition There is and allwayes hath beene a visible church Feild pa 21 and that not consistinge of some foâ—e scattered Christians without order of ministery or vse of sacraments for all this vve doe moste Willingly yeeld vnto And againe in this maner In the Feild sup pag. 25. church of God is fovvnde an entire profession of the sauing truth of God Order of holy ministery sacraments by vertue thereof aâ—ministred and a blessed vnitie and fellovvship of the people of God c. vnder the commaunde of lavvfull pastors and guides And againe in his second booke hee Feild l. 2. ca. 2. p. 40. maketh this a note vnseperable an vnion or connexion of men in profession and vse of sacraments vnder lavvfull pastors Therefore demonstration being made by these protestants themselues that their Church soe termed by them wanteth these things which is the second proposition The Conclusion that their Congregation or pretended church is noe church or not the true church is manifestly true and soe not to bee communicated within Religion Further from soe well agreing protestants in all essentiall things as they teache vs I argue thus Noe societie or companie of men affirmed by themselues or men agreing with them in all essentiall and materiall points of Religion to bee noe church or not the true church can in conscience bee taken and esteemd by others differing from them in Religion to bee the true church and to bee communicated with in sermons seruyce Sacraments c. But the english protestants are in this condition Therfore they haue not the true church nor may bee communicated with in such things The maior proposition is euidently true for noe testimonie is greater to a man then his owne iudgment vnderstanding and conscience and of others not differinge beinge an internall lawe and direction vnto all men The minor Couell def of Hooke pag 65. 75 pag. 74. Couell exaÌ„ pag. 3 Ormerod pict purit k. 1. Ormer dial 1. Feild episc dedicat of the church Couell def pa. 50. cont Burg. p. 60. WottoÌ„ def p. 442. c. D. Abbotag Hill p. 101. 102. 236. 237. 247. doue persu p. 32. mort satisf p. 18. Sutcl ag kell pag. 42 iâ— ill Antil p. 15. Middl. pap pa. 201 WottoÌ„ def is thus proued by these their soe well agreâ—ng protestants themselues whose sentence is thus sett downe by D. Couell in these words The statute congregations of England arâ— noe true churches And againe in these termes the protestant church of England is noe church at all And further thus the protestants of England haue noe forme of a church M. Ormerod lâ—kewise doth thus register their Censure against themselues in this order The protestant church is not the true church of Christ. And thus againe the protestant church in England is not the true church it hath not soe much as the outward face and shew of the true church Then because D. Feild with others assure vs there is noâ— part of heauenly doctrine more necessarie in these daies then to knovv the church and true sponse of Christ and that there is noe saluation remission of synnes or hope of eternall life out of the church This must needs bee a moste necessarie essentiall and materiall point in Religion otherwise nothing is or can bee necessarie essentiall or materiall wherefore seinge their protestant Archbishop of Canterbury their protestant Bishop of Peterborough their Doctors Morton Sutcliffe Willet Wotton Povvell Middleton and all protestants as they teach doe hold that they all agree in euery essentiall point none but papists and lyers affirme the contrary and noe Goliath can proue yt they all agree and must conclude that the protestants haue noe church p. 28. Couâ—ll ag apologet epist. pag. 48. 52. c. or not the true church And soe noe spirituall communion is to bee had with them The 6. particular protestant demonstration for Catholicks iust Recusancie is Because English protestants by their owne testimonies are hereticks and moste notorious hereticks FVRTHER I proceede in this matter with this demonstration noe societie companie or fellowship of men that by their owne testimonies or hereticks may bee communicated with in spirituall things But these english protestants are such therefore not to bee communicated with in such busines The maior proposition is thus proued by these protestants Their Bishop D. Doue writeth thus This proposition noe hereticks nor Scismaticks are Doue persuas pag. to bee communicated withall is vndoubtedly true because it is grounted vppon scripture Tit. 3. Ioh. â—p 2. Rom. 16. M. Hull teaceth by many examples Hull Rom. pol. p. 30. 31. 32. 33. 34. Ormer pag p. 51. Powell cons pag. 8. in concl Sutcl exam of petit p. 9. and testimonies of scriptures and antiquitie in this maner Wee may not communicate vvith hereticks and men of a diuers Religion M. Ormerod is of the same opinion M. Powell writeth thus With Idolaters hereticks good men ought to haue noâ— communion D. Sutcliff handleth this point more at lardge and first citeth the Loadicean councell can 31. 32. 33. which doth directly condemne communion vvith hereticks either in Mariadge or in prayer And hee further speaketh thus The fourth councell of Cathage cap. 70. forbiddeth cleargie men all festings and fellovvship vvith hereticks and Scismaticks Alsoe against communion with such people hee citeth these scriptures Deuter 13. Psal 16. Deut. 16. Deut. 29. Sutcl sup pa. 5. 6. 7. 8. Zephan 1. Matth 7. Matth. 16 Gal 5. Apocal. 2. num 16. Iosue 23. 2. Corinth 6. And calleth euen the tolleration of any false hereticall Religion repugnant to Râ—asons of Religion and holy scriptares Hee telleth further such communion is reproued by the authoritie both of the fathers of the church and of auntient christian Emperors For fathers hee citeth S. Athanasius Gregorie Nazianeen sup pa. 10. 11. cap. 3. Hierome Augustine Ambrose Irenaeus Dionysius Heraclas Optatus of Meleuit And addeth thus Eusebius l. 7. hist c. 6. by the authoritie of Dyoninisius and Heraclas prouâ—th that such as conuerso vvith hereticks are excommunicate For Emperors hee alleadgeth the degrees of these primatiue pag. 11. christiaÌ„ Emperors ConstaÌ„tine Gratian Valentinian Theodosius Arcadius Honorius Martianus and Iustinian And to conclude that all protestants will seeme to bee of the same opinion the protestant Author of the booke AbridgmeÌ„t An. 1605. pag. 18. named Abridgment of a booke of the ministers of Lincoln dioces writeth thus By the iudgment of the godly learned of all churches and ages vvho haue constantly taught and giuen testimonie to this truth that Christians are bounde to cast of the cerâ—monies and râ—ligeous customes of pagans Ievves Idolaters and hereticks and carefully to shun all conformitie vvith them And for this Sup. pa. 18. 19. 20.