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A81959	A letter from Sir Levvis Dyve: to the Lord Marquis of New-Castle giveing his Lordship an account of the whole conduct of the Kings affaires in Irland [sic], since the time of the Lord Marquis of Ormond, His Excellencies arrival there out of France in Septem. 1648. Until Sr. Lewis his departure out of that Kingdome, in June 1650. Together with the annexed coppies of sundry letters mentioned by Sr. Lewis Dyve as relating to the businesse he treats of from the Hauge 10. 20. July 1650.	Dyve, Lewis, Sir, 1599-1669.	1650 (1650)	Wing D2979; Thomason E616_7; ESTC R206730	54,200	79

their past offences and of liberty of conscience with those other promised graces and immunities against the severitie of the lawes in force untill all were confirmed in Parliament to any man endued with but Comon sense is a sufficient argument to say nothing of the apprehensions though vaine still amongst them that they are yet not for all this secure enough And what cause they had to insist upon this army and these commissioners do you but looke into your owne Conscience and laying your hand upon your hart imagin so well of your selfe as that it were your owne case and J am sure you will tacitely confesse it is a provision but very reasonable Nay let a looker on consider the time these men tooke to submit to his Majesties authority when he had neither meanes to punish nor protect them left and he will certainly commend their duty and be far from discommending either the king or my Lord Lieutenant for any thing that in the peace is granted unto them not excepting against either the number of that army or power of those Comissioners you make your selfe so scandalized withall His Excellencie hath been already pleased to tell you that as to the army the supreme comand thereof is in the Kings Lieutenant the ordering of which and disposing of all future commands wherin so it consist of and be to Roman Catholiques will in effect be left to him now that there are very many of that Religion inseparable from their duty to the King both the confederats and the Parliament have to their great cost and trouble had a plentifull experience witnesse the prudent and generous Marquesse of Clanricard Whose eminent piety and constancy in his profession joynd to his irreprehensible allegiance to the King will remaine to the glory of his Nation and Religion a great and lasting example to future times of a firm and united Loyalty both to divine and humane Majesty as it hath serud the present already for a pattern unto severall Other considerable persons in Ireland to follow And you have no reason but to thinke there are a good number of those in this army which will somwhat lessen the groundles danger you fancie to your selfe especially if you take also into consideration the frequent wayes and dispensations that have bin found for entertaining very many protestants into severall imployments in this army and how both these parties to say nothing of those in the north that have submitted to the Kings authoritie added to that remnant army as you call them in mounster consisting of about six thousand men led by an able and succesful commander who being undeceived at last by the publike villanies in England have betraid themselves it you will have it so againe into their duty will ballance any thing of ill that may be pretended in the case I leave it to any one that is but capable to judge in such a matter This dangerous argument being once removed how litle remaines of hazard in that other of the power of the commissioners is very evident by the articles of peace where it is plain that their power is absolute in nothing but the levies to be made upon their owne and that part of the peoples free holds which formerly acknowledged their Iurisdiction and who now had entrusted themselves into their hands whilst in all the other cases so industriously quoted by you though to no other end but take up paper and amuze the readers they limit him as litle as formerly the counsel table did He being able to determin nothing without their advise or Consent nor they to actuate any thing without his Commission authority which circumscription should you still affirme to bee too much would entirely vanish should his Majestie com in person hither as t is both hoped and beleived he will there being no condition in the peace that limits him But suppose the hazard preiudice of the protestant religion by the peace were as great as you affirm it is whether must be in fault the King or those men that prest him to that extremity that he was only left to choose whether he would drown or take hold of a brier to save himselfe whether he would utterly abandon his interest in all his Kingdoms to those that were rebells against his person his posterity and Kingly power or by giving the Irish whose rebellion could in the nature of it beare nothing so ill a Construction those not much unreasonable conditions they so positively insisted upon repossesse himselfe of one of his three Kingdoms again and therby becom enabled to dispute for the other two Thus far have I discoursed for the satisfaction of other men with your selfe I might deale more breifly and tell you it is grosse hipocrisy for you to pretend so much sollicitude for the security and advantage of the protestant religion on this side and yet can find them both sufficiently provided for by an army of Sectaries on the other side without any protestant superiour to moderate them as these have that have not only quite puld down the whole building of that Religion but almost leveld the walls of Christianitie it selfe by providing a libertie for all opinions and religions in the world the Catholique and protestant alone excepted because they conceive them forsooth to be more destructive to the great ends of their republique then any other the first as being too Monarchique too full of Majesty pleading prescription amongst Christians with too much authority and therefore likely to gain overmuch ground upon them in a time when all order religion were of the hinges the people so much at a gaze and the second as being for decency order not only overpopish but also from its birth too much interwouen with the interests of this Crown and royal familie Can any thing be more ridiculous then that you who derive your power from the Commanders and Commissioners of this army of saints and who are by your Commission if I be not mistaken incorporated into it having likewise set aside the profession and exercise of this protestant religion misconceive me not that Religion which for near a Century of yeares hath been practised established in the church of England accommodated your selfe clearly to Mr. Cromwells Cut though such a one as you or scarce himselfe if Cathechized can give an account either of the tenents or constitutions of should becom so great a patron of and so much concerned in the interests of a religion that either out of Change of judgment or out of endes no matter which in this case is abandoned by your selfe already After the protestant religion comes the English interest a consideration indeed if urged to a person whose trust from and concernment in it were somwhat lesse then my Lord Lieutenants fit for you that are of English blood and whose sword pen are both by nature and the lawes obliged to the service of that crowne in which onely and the

stretcht your Conscience so often so far already as first to breake your trust with the King when by severall oathes both as a gowne man a swordman you had oblidged your faith unto him then with religion which considered with your education parents and a long profession we may say not improperly that it was even by nature convayed into you after with that late carcase of a Parliament from whom you tooke both Commissions and employment and lastly with that presbyterian Senate that preferd you hither as a proselite of theirs should I say now make a scruple of breaking with these wretches to whom you can pretend no other tye but a Confraternity in treacherie and mischeife It is not your repetition of Rebells and bloody Rebells will serve for your excuse since that you your selfe are ingaged with those rebells that have waded deeper into blood and committed murther even with the sword of Iustice upon not only innocent but Royall blood more impudently and more in humanly then any people how barbarous soever that as yet have breathed under the face of heaven 'T is true there hath been much barbarity and cruelty acted in this Kingdom since these unhappy tumults in the midst of confusion and disorder but nothing done under the forme of a mischeivous law or the colour of abused Iustice against any body much lesse against the life or person of a King and the best of Kings such as those whom you will needes profess a faith unto have butchered on a scaffold with a hitherto unequalld villany which without all doubt heaven to convince the world that there is a divinity and justice there will certainly when his indignation towards us is in some measure satisfied at last see Notoriously punished upon them and all their abettors with scourges as much transcending ours as do their crimes And in order to this just revenge it wil be vertue in the King and my Lord Lieutenant which as your selfe confesses will be a sin in you circumstances considered not onely to forgive but court Father Reyley if there be any others of his party lesse pardonable and lesse avowable then hee unto their duty whom you can pretend to do nothing with in your Intrigues but either confirme them in their present or ingage them in a new rebellion worse and more malitious then that they are alreadie plunged in and which they being a trampled and abused people of another nation and religion from their Soveraigne leapt at first into out of a general feare and sense of their particular wrongs from and aversions to those who frequently misused upon them both their own power and the Kings authoritie For the restitution of whose just Soveraignty and the preservation of whose life my Lord Lieutenant whom you expres a shamlesse impudencie to accuse with any guilt of his destruction hath run greater adventures in his person made more prudent essaies and under went the hazard of a better fortune then any subject in the three Kingdoms had to loose besides against whom your inference is very strange that because by the Kings own direction Commission he endevoured to set on foot the Royall interest again he musts need be guilty of what was acted by those that before he left France or appeard the second time here about it had already robd the King of his libertie and actually declared against his life But they having since ravisht from his Majestie his life aswell as liberty and taken away both his Crowne and Royall head together so contrarie to your then declared opinion delivered as your selfe confesses to my Lord Lieutenant when the army first Seized on the person of the King who as you there professed to beleive intended nothing else but to secure him from attempts danger must needs be a motive sufficient either to Convert you from adhering longer unto them or an argument at least to convince me and all the world that you both approved of and consented to what ever they have done how forraine soever you seeme to make it to your charge in a Citty where and at a time when if you should own it you might well feare to pull the indignation of the people and a certain destruction upon your own head Yet surely you would much more have plaid the man of honor to have laide aside these grosser cheats Mummeries dealing plainly to haue avowed the bare faced Truth as your great masters in England have found the courage and the confidence to do that it is neither your care of the protestant Religion or English Interest neither your duty to the Parliament nor tendernes in breach of trust that holds you from submitting to the King my Lord Lieutenant but your over consciousnesse of your own past unfaithfulnes and ingratitude to those you had so many ties unto your despaire of a full and free forgivenes your observation that villany now a daies is only prosperous and your conception that the course you are in sutes more with your mistaken Interest wild ambitions then returning to your duty would lastly your desire to continue yourselfe and that Sr. Politicke your most reverend brother there A Moses and Aron to the Irish Isralites to conduct them safe out of the boggs and woods of their fortunes and estates through the deserts of delinqnency untill they stript of all those cumbersom impediments were ready for the land of promise and you laden with their Egiptian spoiles and a good old age were fit to be transplanted from Dublin to the government of the new Ierusalem But let me now at last before it be too late prevayle with you so far as to perswade your selfe that it is never too late to mend that both the King and my Lord Lieutenant have mercy and generosity enough to forgive and forget all your past transgressions that fortune how hopefully soever she seem to looke upon you hath neither leased out her wheeles unto your Chariot nor victory intailed her selfe unto you Ensignes so as to encourage you to that confidence and presumption you do put on forgetting that God Almightie doth frequently lull in security and besot with their past and present prosperities those that are designed for a headlong destruction and lastly that how succesfull soever it may be for a time there is a fulnes of iniquity which men being once arrived unto Gods judgments are never long behind Which exuberance of sin if any people ever attained unto surely it is they that have been either actors in or abettors of the murther of the King of the guilt of which horrid crime that you may cleare your selfe and prevent the hevy judgment that infallibly attends it by a seasonable submission and returning to your duty is all that he aimes at who hath dealt thus freely with you and who on that score will be most really Sr. Your very humble servaunt EDWARD WALSINGHAM Roscoman Castle Iune the 14. 1849. The severall Papers concerning Cromwells

colonies of English here the English interest of this Kingdome is included but what this English Interest is when we shall have once examined your fright concerning it will soon be over it appears to me to be nothing else but that the right and authority of the crown of England over them should be acknowledged by all the subjects of this Kingdom and those Colonies of English aswell as the native Irish be therby protected and secured in the possession of such fortunes and estates as either by the sword the roiall gift or purchase have bin lawfully acquired unto them Beyond this the English Interest is an unknown-land to me and how far this Interest thus stated is secured by or Consistent with that peace you blame so I leave it to any third unpreiudiced person to determin Who I am certaine will find them square so well together that he shall have reason to beleive the English interest taken in your sense infers an obedience to you and your independant masters abstract from all relation to the crown an establishment of your Tetrarchy here till your ambition were wearied out and you with your corrupt and hungry family had ungratefully glutted yourselves in the blood and fortunes of those noble persons whose smiles and patronage in your mercenarie pleading daies were the top of your ambition that so by this consequence the lives and estates of all that have been here in armes may beleft a prey to worse rebells then the worst of these have ever been This is an English interest indeed that the peace securs not and which I cannot blame you for pleading for with so much passion as to affirme that were there neither king nor parliament you would maintaine it neither for averring that my Lord Lieutenants transporting a considerable part of the English army hence was destructive unto but as to the true English Interest I mentioned before it was very suteable to that that my Lord Lieutenant should without dispute ●omply with the Kings commands from whom only he had his commission and derived his authoritie and whom both himselfe and that army in all relations both of honor and duty were obliged to obey Besides his Excellency knows well enough how much he was concerned in the support of that cron●ne that gave him and all the English in this Kingdome the title to what they possessed here nothing of which could be long secure unto them and the crowne at home in danger In the next place I do not know whether the Parlement is more beholding to you for asserting their infringed authoriti● or the Irish themselves in your being so generous as to let them see the invalidity of this peace they are abused withall for to prove both which you bring noworse an argument then an English act of Parliament which underfavour your own skil in the lawe if you have not forgot it will tell you can be of no force here untill received by a Parliament in Irland which asserts a power as just and absolute to it selfe as the Parliament of England can else should the ancient conquerors of this Kingdome and their free posterity unjustly undergoe the dominion of those to whom neither Interest nor merit hath given any right or footing here or priviledge over them Besides you shall have others which will tell you and make it good that a Prince cannot give a way the Iurisdiction of his people to one that hath no title to it as the Parlement of England hath none to Irland without their own consent yet grant for argument sake that these people by taking armes unlawfully had put themselves into that condition that might aswell enable as induce the late King of ever glorious memory to invest the Parliament of England with such a power over them as that act involues yet can it not be beleived that the King ever intended to trust them with managing the war of Irland against himselfe as by what they have don in England t is evident they would have done but let us also suppose it possible that the royall power can be so convayed unto another as that contrary to the intention of the King it may be converted to his own destruction which is a possition I am sure that no Sophister lesse accute and learned then your selfe will be able to make good yet must this power surely needs revert to its firfl originall the crown through the death both of the King that gave it of the Parliament it was conferd upon and that since that the Kings death is out of dispute this Parlement hath for this seaven yeares at least wanted both a King and freedome which being the head and hart of that body are two things most necessary to the life and essence of it nay that that breathlesse headles carcass of a Parliament hath by those Independant vermine that bred out of the putrifacton of it been anatomiz'd and quite dismembred since there is no man that is not deafe and blind that can be uninformd Now that such a martird mooncalfe canstil be a living Parliament I am sure there is no man wakes that can be so perswaded especiallie the King that calld it being dead which both the law custom tells you that a Parliament could neuer yet survive upon which conclusion you must needs grant that his present Majestie who hath already confirmed by his both my Lord Lieutenant and all that his Excellency hath don by his Royal fathers Commission hath now indisputably reverted to him the power to manage a war and conclude or con●irme a peace in Irland except that you will still maintainé that the authoritie of the late Parliament is by I know not what legierdemain translated into those usurpers that have not only destrojed that Parliament but also declared that they intend there shall never be any more and this non consequence if you still insist upon I will conclude you are crackt as was that Spanish gallant and leave you in your quest of Windmills But if you can prevayle with your selfe to be so ingenuous as acknowledg the preceding truths I will hold on still and endevour to remove out of your tender conscience your last and greatest difficult of breach of trust indeed a scruple very suitable to a man of honour such as I would willinglie take you for and to begin the worke I must tell you that the premisses are very convinceing that in your compliance with my Lord Lieutenant there is no trust broken either with God or King or Parliament who are all you can pretend to owe a faith unto by deserting those villanous impostors who have supplanted religion subverted Monarchy murthered the King violated the Parliament annihilated the lawes trampled upon learning and nobility and left neither worth nor justice unopprest within their reach which kind of perfidious people surely to deceive right reason it selfe tells you there is no deceipt Yet had you no such assurance I should thinke it strange that you who have

upon the happy concluding of the peace and the great difficulties we overcame they will come fully represented unto you by severall wayes J shall only expresse my confidence that wee are now secured from any second revolutions amongst these people though the Marquis of Antrim Owen O Neale have not yet submitted for I conceive they are not so considerable but they will be soon supprest if they continue obstinate I judge it likewise very possible that this summer Dublin may if God so please be recovered either by force or treaty And now beleeving I have tired you with this tedious imperfect relation I shall with brevity and much truth give you assurance that you shall constantly find mee Your very affectionate Cousen CLANRICARDE Kilkenny Castle the 26. of Ianuary 1648. A Letter of Mr. Walsinghams to Colonell Jones Governour of Dublin in justification of the peace of Yrland and in reply to his second answer to my Lord Lieutenant Mentioned PAG. 8. SR HAvinge been at last so much beholdinge to your vanity as some daîes since to meete with those papers in printe that I long before heard were transmitted betweene my Lord Lieutenant and your selfe which I perceive his Excellencies modesty scorne would have still concealed had not your itch to have your confidence and clearkeship known transported you so far beyond discretion as to snatch at the occasion of publishing my Lord Lieutenants letters though such indeed as if your care and prudence in manageing the cause you plead for were not far inferior to your owne vaineglory you would industriously have smothered to the end you might not want some pretence to intrude upon the world together with them those manifest Cavills and leane discourses of yours that are stuft with nothing singular but insolence and malice And finding that his Excellency with a generous neglect both of your person and impertinence with whom his publicke zeale and duty to the King and Kingdome had enduced him to take thy paines and descend so low had now as one unworthy of so much honor and incapable of so much reason as was prest upon you given you over Notwithstanding as well for justice sake that you might not want the right of an encounter from a more equall hand then my Lord Lieutenant as also for that possibly there may be as I beleive there are some men so weake and so willing to be deceived that your impudence and fallacies shall passe for reasons with them if not replied unto I thought it fit that your last voluminous and peremptory Letter be not let passe unscand and brought unto the test by a more familiar pen that may with decency deale roundly with you give you what you cannot receive from his Excellencie the confusion of an foyle Though for man to thinke either with reason or language to contribute to the satisfaction of any discreet unprejudiced person much lesse to the rectifieing your mistakes after my Lord of Ormond hath gone before is a sottishnesse as great as yours who after two addresses from his Excellencie so civill so full of prudence unanswerable truth had the face to tell him you were nothing satisfied therewithall nor any way convinced in judgement thereby By which affirmation of how much impudence and malice you are convicted by your selfe I leave you and the world to gather out of what I shall hereafter say which I am confident will convince other men aswell as you that know it well enough already that your judgment was drownd in ambitious and selfe interests so absurd and so ill byassed that since reason and justice were inconsistent with them you had no will to be rectified For if you had surely you would never have produced arguments to coulor your persisting withall that well examined perswad point blanck against and may be returned with a double force upon you unlesse you did it out of so invincible a simplicity as to deale painely with you is not compatible with that hipocrisy sophistry your unmannerly epistle swels withall as I now come ro instance particaliarly unto you In the first place you hold forth the protestant religion for a baby to the people and alas good man your compassion and care of it is very great aswell becomes the sonne unto a Bishop and one imbued both by education and many yeares profession with it you say you see not how it can be advanced by an army of Papists nor how it can be secured in the peace no provision being made for it therin yet that t is no such miracle they being secured of their owne libertie of conscience that an army of Catholiques subjects to a protestant King and lead by a protestant Generall may in order to the restoreing their opressed soveraigne and to the supression of such a Turco Iudaisme as is now on foot be induced unto it and that it is no new thing in the world for men to be ingaged so nay where they have no tyes of duty nor other such powerfull motives as these men have directly against the interest of their owne religion you neede but looke into the Othoman armies where you shall find thousands of Christians fighting daily against Christianity it selfe and under the ensignes of France Spaine many regiments of protestants fighting in quarrells if you will beleive the princes themselves purposely set on foot for the advancement of the Roman Catholique faith which if waighed makes it neither impossible nor strange that the Irish should be content to concur with any body and almost upon any termes to the destruction of that Wild Bore who having already rooted up and overturned all government and religion in England is now preparing to do the like in Irland Now as for the provision the you find unmade for the protestant religion in the peace I beleive you urge that only to shew your owne dexteritye in finding out objections for you are rationall enough to know where his Majesties authoritie is once restored his lawes returne to their vigor and you should be lawyer enough to know that there are lawes enough provided in this last fourescore yeares for the securitye of the protestant religion all which the Roman Catholiques will willingly submit unto except such penal statutes as deprive them of the free exercise of their religion that are indeed by the peace to betaken a way and which being laide aside take not any thing from the security of the protestant The Roman Catholiques are not the givers but the cravers here they desire only to secure their owne not to usurpe upon the liberty of othermens consciences as is evident both by their daily professions and the whole transactions of the peace what absurdnes then it is for any one to thinke a new provision necessary or to expect it in this case that very condition for that army of sixteen thousand foot and two thousand five hundred horse with the deputation of those Trustees for to secure them of pardon for