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A07807	A full satisfaction concerning a double Romish iniquitie; hainous rebellion, and more then heathenish æquiuocation Containing three parts: the two former belong to the reply vpon the Moderate Answerer; the first for confirmation of the discouerie in these two points, treason and æquiuocation: the second is a iustification of Protestants, touching the same points. The third part is a large discourse confuting the reasons and grounds of other priests, both in the case of rebellion, and æquiuocation. Published by authoritie.	Morton, Thomas, 1564-1659.	1606 (1606)	STC 18185; ESTC S112912	216,074	250

most impious and sacrilegious whome your Lawyers vpon better intelligence do commend if this be a commendation As one that was too deuout and religious But you as it becometh a moderate Answerer answer nothing and thus in saying nothing bewray what you would or rather what you would not say CHAP. XXIIII The discouerie in the eight Reason THose Snakes that do naturally sting as soone as they get warmth may not be harboured in the bosome of the Cōmonwealth but all Popish Priests professe rebellions as soone as they can presume of their strength Ergo c. The Minor proued by Their Positions The Discouerie Bannes maintaineth this as a necessarie Parenthesis Subiects before sentence of Excommunication if they haue sufficient force may then depose their King This Father Creswell addeth as a war●e caution Let subiects take heed saith he that they haue competent strength in such a case otherwise it may preiudice the Catholike cause And lest any taking an Antidote against their poyson should obiect the condition of the Church of Christ primitiue and of the glorious Christians of those times who intended not killing of Kings the enemies of the Gospel but to be willingly killed for the profession of the holy faith marke with what vntemperate morter those men daube vp the consciences of Christians Then saith the French Defence the Christians did onely suffer because the Church was not yet perfect and because their enemies were more in number Againe It is commendable to suffer when thou canst not resist Which is the last miserable refuge of their desperate cause Whereunto notwithstanding their grand-Cardinall is glad to betake himselfe I answer saith he that Christians in auncient times did not beare armes and seeke to depose Emperors and Kings enemies to the Catholike faith because they wanted power Wherby the now Romish faith doth seeke to make wicked men excusable By this second conclusion saith Bannes the English Catholikes who now do not take armes against the Protestants are excused because they want sufficient power Hence we may perceiue that as long as Protestants liue safe they must acknowledge themselues beholden to the Popish faction because they haue no power to hurt them otherwise they may heare of them before they can see them peraduenture in such a manner as to Receiue a terrible blow and yet not know who did them the hurt Yea they must perish for Christian people saith Creswell are bound in conscience and hazard of their soules to resist whensoeuer they can make resistance The moderate Answerer To the first Proposition I say Concedo The Reply Concedo that is in English I grant it wo then and thrice woe to all your Priests who fall violently vpon it thereby to be conuinced rebellious Is it not so The moderate Answerer To the second Proposition I answer that if this be the opinion of Bannes he speaketh ignorantly in this case The Reply Bannes an Author easily to be had of all men I deliuer his name I cite the place I expresse his words apparantly signifying that this was Bannes opinion and yet your Answer is to speake moderately too moderate If this be say you the opinion of Bannes I alledge for the same opinion your English Iesuite Creswell your French Iesuite De iusta Abdicatione your Romish Iesuite Bellarmine al of the opinion of Bannes teaching Then and not before to take armes as soone as they haue strength And you answer to one onely saying If this be the opinion of Bannes Is this modestie This opinion say you is false this is honestie but then are your greatest Clearkes Blind and leaders of the blind as namely Creswell Felinus Caietan Tolet Sà Alane Bellarmine Saire and the present currant of Romish Schooles as hath bene proued This doctrine therefore being false which the supposed lights of your Religion do auerre I may well take vp the complaint of our Sauiour against your Church If the light that is in thee be darknes ô how great is that darknes In the last place you name Gregorie the 13. for the contrarie but all you could do only name him opposing names to expresse writings shadowes to things O moderatorem These are but Positions Now followeth CHAP. XXV Their Practise The Discouerie IN the yeare 1580. when Campion and Parsons came into England they procured a dispensation from the Pope that al Papists in England notwithstāding the Excōmunication of the Queen might professe a large obedience in al tēporal causes but with this addition Rebus sic stantibus i. the case thus standing that is as the sequele did interpret till you waxe stronger For in the yeare 1588. when the Spanish Armado was a sloate when by doubling their strength they might presume the better then our Countriman Alane doth write an Admonition to the Nobilitie of England making his booke the Popes Nuncio to expound his former Parenthesis Though the Pope saith he hath tolerated obedience vnto the Queene in temporall conditions yet now our holy Father Xistus Quintus doth discharge all men of their faith and loyaltie vnto her This is the Popes common guise when he doubteth his faction shall be ouermatched then to inioyne obedience but it is onely in policie to gaine his souldiers a breathing as Clement the late Pope dispensed with the Irish for their fidelity to the Queene till that he had some confidence of Tyrones successe For then in the 20. of Ianuarie the yeare 1601. he writ a letter for incouragement Fili dilecte nobilis vir salutem c. My deare sonne all health c. After he calleth the Rebellion Sacrum foedus an holy league promising in the way of blessing an happy successe Deus pugnabit provobis conteret inimicos suos ante faciem vestram i. God will fight for you and tread his enemies vnder your feet But he God be thanked proued a false Prophet The moderate Answerer I answer that Cardinall Alane better acquainted with these affaires then any Protestant Writer relateth the Popes declaration for Catholike obedience to Queene Elizabeth without any restraint or limitation neither doth this man discouer where he findeth any such restricting clause The Reply It seemeth you are not acquainted with Cardinall Alane shall he be brought to auerre a Commission of subiection without restraint of Rebus sic stantibus the case so standing who Rebus sic non stantibus Anno 1588 raised English Recusants against the Queene prouoking them to fight I did not indeed discouer where I find any such restraining clause Here is one onely little clause Rebus sic stantibus that wanteth the Author and I must be suspected for a coyner you in all your Answers scarce alledge the expresse sentence of any one and yet challenge credit Such are the times which are fallen vpon vs and the oddes which by mens wilfull infatuation you haue obtained But I must produce my Author

pittie and would also se●me after a sort to satisfie the lawe The truth then of this exposition as al Orthodoxal Comentaries shew is grounded vpon the direct Scripture the Oracle of truth for in the law Deut. 13. 6. 9. If thy brother c. the summe whereof is repeated in the Text in question vers 13. Whosoeuer will not seeke the Lord God of Israel shall be slaine whether he were small or great man or woman What shall we say then is the Soueraignty of Kings disabled God forbid but it is rather established hereby for the King is made the Deposer yea euen of whosoeuer Now that Commentarie doth not defend deposing a King neither possibly can it be defended by any ordinarie commaund of God in all Scripture which is proued Wherefore supposing that the Relation of the Conference be direct yet may you not thinke that his Maiestie whose iudgement is so diuinely illuminated by the light of the word of God that he neuer refused Conference with the greatest Iesuite or Doctor Romish could take exception to the note as from an offence thereby giuen but onely in suspition an offence taken by weake ones prepossessed with your Romish maladie whereof you haue giuen vs experience in your many controuersies For wheresoeuer in all Scripture almost you feele but any sent of fire O behold this doth Proue Purgatorie fire after death Whereas indeed the context is plaine there is onely signified * Afflictions of this life Where you reade promised Reward for goodworkes there you presently conclude Amerit of Condignitie when as all is the onely iustice of Gods promise and the consequent of the onely grace and mercie of God who giueth to will to worke to perfect and crowneth his gift of grace with the grace of the gift of glorie I may not digresse Here doubtlesse his Maiestie doubted lest some impotent Reader not ignorant of your suggestions vnderstanding a Prince deposed by the King might iustifie your proceedings where so many popishly inspired haue assumed the office of Kings to depose a Prince But know you there is not in any part of our Commentarie vpon the Bible any one sparke whereat any Guido may light his match to giue fire to his powder The last instance for England The moderate Answerer If I had trauelled no further into that doctrine then to the late printed booke by your Maiesties Printer of the late intended Conspiracie I might easily performe a iust defence for the Protestant Author giueth it out as a generall rule and vndoubted Maxime to all Professors of worship to take armes if their Religion be in hazard and that no priuate man should thinke his life more happie then to fight pro Aris. Which is greater libertie then our Aduersarie can find in Catholike Writers so of him attached of Treason and Rebellion The Reply This shoot is but twelue score wide of the marke you ayme at your bent is to defend them who professe it lawfull for Catholikes in the maintenance of Religion to murther Kings and harrow Kingdomes in their opinion hereticall This Author teacheth vs to Fight his owne words pro Aris pro focis pro Patre patriae his Reason Because the indangering of one of these would at once stirre the whole bodie of a Commonwealth not any more as diuided members but as a solid and indiuiduall lumpe What is then the difference he in the whole Treatise teacheth euery priuate man to arme himselfe by all possible meanes but first armed with authoritie of the King and State You teach to fight for Religion violating the obedience of God against your King and kingdome to destroy them The difference may be illustrated by the like A priuate man if without authoritie temporall he kill a murtherer he is a murtherer but authorized by the publike lawe he is now no more priuate but an Officer but the lawles homicide doth best pattern your lawlesse parricide So that there is no more oddes betweene our and your Authors opinion then cum Rege contra Regem to fight with and against the King You can find no more exception in England whither will you now it is but a step to Scotland what see you there CHAP. IIII. The Obiection of the moderate Answerer against the Church of Scotland KNox and Buchanan defended the power of people ouer their King The Reply You might haue added that there was in Scotland an Act of Parliament to call in that Chronicle of Buchanan censuring all such contempts and innouations but it stood your modestie in hand to conceale this lest we might reply vpon your moderation thus That is not to be called the doctrine of Scotland which the general currant of that Church and State in publike Parliament doth condemne such is this seditious doctrine of resisting and deposing Kings a learning substantially popish your Popes being Authors thereof your other Priests of Rome suggestors publikely authorized herein and your traiterous Actors canonized for Saints in the conceit of all Romish And now you may bid great Britaine adiew you may make a short cut into France CHAP V. The Obiections of the moderate Answerer against the Protestants in France both in their Positions and Practises LEt vs come into France The Reply But vpon condition that you will not returne Yet what of Fraunce The moderate Answerer Caluin and Beza and the rest of that holy Synode say that the Kings and Queenes their children posteritie and all Magistrates must be put to death and so euery Protestant must be more then a Pope The Reply Nay God forbid that any should be so great a man in Rebellion as your Popes who haue bene the heads of the greatest tumults in Christendome Caluin and Beza whom you traduce if your moderation will suffer that which iustice doth exact must answer for themselues Caluins iudgement in this case In his booke of Institutions which he framed for instruction of all the Church of Christ touching the case now controuerted he beginneth to consult with God saying The word of God teacheth vs to obey all Princes who are established in their thrones be it by what meanes soeuer yea and though they shall do nothing lesse then the Offices of Kings yet must they be obayed though the King be neuer so wicked and indeed vnworthie of the name of a King yet must subiects acknowledge the image of diuine power in his publike authoritie and therefore must in all temporall duties reuerence and obey him as well as if he were the godliest King in the world To contract his other sentences into a briefe We are instructed saith Caluin by many documents of holy writ neuer to suffer these seditio●s cōceits to possesse our minds as to thinke an euill King must be so dealt withall as he deserueth but we are directly charged to obey the King though he be a sauage Tyrant and neuer so wicked which I therefore often vrge that in such a case it

may content vs to know that euen such Ki●gs beare in their office the image of God in whom God hath stamped andingrauen an inuiolable Maiestie not to be contemned Thus farre Master Caluin neither doth he euer restrain the outward power of any King except in those States where there is customably ordained for that purpose the Magistracie of those who are called Ephori and Tribuni plebis But when when they shall commaund any thing against the lawe of God then Caluin embraceth the doctrine of Saint Peter Act. 15. 29. We rather obey God then man but how not to obey man as actiuely to resist that is to rebell against him God forbid but onely passiuely which is not to do that which shall be wickedly commaunded Perpeti potiùs quàm à veritate discedere au● à pietate deslectere Rather suffer saith he then to betray the truth of God or to accord to iniquitie But reade and examine all the lines which euer Caluin penned and you shall not find one syllable that can preiudice his loyaltie Wherof more hereafter The moderate Answerer Beza also and the rest of that holy Synod defend the same The Reply Belike then this rebellious doctrine will be proued a Synodicall Decree among Protestants but if you should vow faithfully not to eate till you proue this I could easily prognosticate what death you should die But Beza as he succeeded Caluine a Doctor so in doctrine likewise Heare Bezas owne confession and it will proue him innocent you a slaunderer and your Popes the capitall delinquents in this kind 1 His innocencie Priuate men among whom I account inferior Magistrates in respect of their King haue no other remedie against Tyrants to whom they be subiect then amendment of their liues prayers and teares which God in his good time will not despise They alwaies prouided not to do but onely to suffer euil as Christ by his owne example hath taught vs. And if it shall so happen that we cannot obey the commaund of the King but that we must offend God the King of Kings then must we rather obey God then man But how so as likewise to remember that it is one thing not to obey another thing to resist and betake our selues to armes This kind of violent disobedience we may not vse Can any moderate spirit call this doctrine rebellious Secondly Your slaunder What our opinion is concerning subiection vnto Magistrates saith Beza a man may better be instructed by our writings then by the slaunders of such as number vs among the companie of intoxicate Anabaptists who renounce the authoritie of Magistrates which doctrine how much we abhorre none can be ignorant which doth not obstinately refuse to see the light Of which kind you must needes be seeing you had rather beleeue any libels against Beza then see his owne writings Thirdly your Popes capitall Offendors The impudencie of our Accusers saith Beza herein is most notorious that they who contrarie to the word of God haue openly subiected Kings and Kingdomes to their authoritie being themselues the most rebellious Sect vnder heauen in contemning Magistrates dare notwithstanding obiect the guilt of that crime vnto vs which they thinke to be a vertue in themselues and wherein they glorie and vaunt Which is most true as we haue proued out of your Bellarmine and others glorying in the acts of such Popes who haue deposed Emperors CHAP. VI. The Practises of Caluin and other Protestants of France obiected by this Accuser in diuers particular instances The first instance The moderate Answerer THese were instruments of all Rebellions and oppressions in the Monarchie of France wherein they tooke all authoritie from the King and Magistrate against King Francis whom they rebelliously persecuted The Reply For your proofes against Protestants in this your Answer you produce Genebrard Claudius de Sanct. Petrus Frar Coclaeus and such like all professed Aduersaries to the Religion of Protestants How moderate dealing this may be accounted will appeare when I shall oppose your owne Historians to condemne you and acquit the Protestants Two witnesses shall suffice who how farre they were from fauouring the Protestants you may iudge by their complexions for the first greedily relateth a Discourse wherein he calleth our Religion new and a plaine imposture The second is dedicated to Charles the then French King and to the Queene mother in which Historie he calleth the doctrine of M. Luther A multitude of absurd heresies Therefore you may not think these men partiall in our behalfe Both prouing 1. The pronenesse of Papists to slaunder the Religion of Protestants 2. That this accusation is a slaunder which is now obiected For the 1. I will alledge of many but one story published by them both False witnesses were brought against Protestants them of the Religion affirming that in a place at Maubert at a Councellors house great numbers of them had eaten a pigge instead of a pascall Lambe before Easter and after the candles being put out euery man tooke his woman and had his pleasure of her The Cardinall vpon these informations moued the Court the Queene mother tooke occasion hereby to reuile some of her Gentlewomen who were of the Religion but they desired and obtained means that the principall witnesses might be examined it was done two young boyes come foorth and affirme that then and many other times they had had the vse of your Councellors daughters but in the end the witnesses began to stagger and couertly to denie it The Councellor sought after for his Religion vnderstanding this shameful slander went with his wife and his two daughters yeelding himselfe prisoner for his Religion desiring that the cause of his daughters might be examined They were diligently searched by Physitions and women and found to be virgins and the young men did thus iustifie themselues that they did it in deuotion being perswaded that such an accusation against such Heretikes was good whether it were true or false But the virgins were cleared and yet their father remained in prison and the witnesses were not punished The second Concerning the present Accusation thus it standeth The Guizes who were no naturall Frenchmen not able to accuse the Prince of Condie of Treason Daniels case called him in question to be condemned of heresie for his Religion But what was the right cause of tumults There was deliuered an exact declaration to proue that those of the Guizes had decreed to put all the Princes of the bloud Royall to death as soone as they had cut off them of the Religion and they were euidently proued to be guiltie of his treason And the King could not otherwise iudge but that great wrong was offered to his bloud Then not the Protestants but the Spanish faction of the Guizes were guiltie of those broyles in the daies of King Francis Notwithstanding Though the Prince of Condie did acquit himselfe of Treason and boldly stood