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A65682 The second part of The ignoramus justices, or, An answer to the scandalous speech of Sir W.S. Barronet spoken to the grand-jury at the Sessions of Peace held for the county of Middlesex, at Hick's-hall, on Monday the 24 of April, 1682 : together with several remarks upon the order of Sessions, for the printing and publishing the same / by the same authour.; Ignoramus justices. Part 2 Whitaker, Edward.; England and Wales. Court of Quarter Sessions of the Peace (Middlesex) 1682 (1682) Wing W1705; ESTC R2042 37,153 39

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of Commons that the Revenue will not defray the charges of the Government it is most like he hath For the Reader may please to remember that Sir W. was one of that long Pentionary-Parliament which was always free of giving what some of them was hired to give as appears by the Votes of another House And may it not well be conjectured now from his experience he pretends in the Revenue of the Crown as he seems to intimate to us that either he is or would be Lord Treasurer or at least one of the Commons very shortly by this Speech Howsoever sure he cannot miss of some great place of Trust in the State because he likewise is pleased in this third page to tell us not only that the Subjects ought to pay it with Interest and with thanks but they had done it before now if the Dissenters and Differences that are among us had not prevented it and wise men lay it upon the Conventicles being suffered thus he hath hit the point certainly and now we come to know what is the reason all of a suddain the Conventiclers and Dissenters are disturbed which we never knew before and that is the King hath disbursed a great deal of money and the Dissenters will neither pay it themselves for the benefit they enjoy of the Conventicles nor will let others pay it If this be so then 't is no wonder at this eager prosecution and this inciting Speech to stir up the Jurors but how comes it to pass it was not found out before that the Conventicles hinder'd the King of his money disbursed Is it not known both to thinking and unthinking people that when the greatest Gifts and Sums of Money that ever was given the King that now is there was as many Dissenters and Conventicles as now and that at all times they instead of hindering fo a good a Work ever paid their shares very chearfully witness the great Tax 2500000 l. at once and 1200000 l. at another time in the Pensionary Parliament and other Sums since And for the venom and infection of the Conventicle Preachers as he is pleased to call them it cannot be proved that they have ever preached or taught Sedition either in those Times or now much less to come within the compass of the Act the Justice seems to hint at and the Act of the 17th of this King if there be any such was as much violated then as ever it hath been since and it doth not appear nor can by any art uhe Justice can use that ever the Dissenters or Conventiclers did either preach or pray against Gifts and Grants of money to supply the King's Affairs especially when the good of the Nation required it And without doubt those Dissenters and Conventiclers are and ever were as ready with their Purses to serve the King and Country as any of the Abhorrers ever were or ever will be notwithstanding their Heroick expressions But yet to bring in Popery or support Popish Designs the Dissenters will not whatever the Abhorrers may yield to It is true in some of the Gazers great promises and assurances have been lately made to stand by the King with their Lives and Fortunes and their Purses to be ever at the Kings Command And not onely so but have by their Abhorrences declared their Resolutions to choose such Members for the next Parliament as his Majesty shall approve of Now if these stubborn Fanaticks would have been so mannerly as to have done that too then it is more than probable that all this prosecution against the Dissenters in the Justices opinion might cease too And it cannot be any wonder that the Abhorrers should promise to assist his Majesty with their Purses for they have nothing to assist the him with but what comes from the King either in Places or Gifts Well but after all tho' sometimes the Justice if for the Divisions to be made up that the King may be repaid with Interest and therefore saith it is high time to do it yet that must not be done by giving any grains of allowance to the Dissenters side at all or to bear with this weakness in things indifferent or to make any step of compassion towards them in leaving off one small Ceremony or sin out of the Church of England to win them no not for the whole World and all the Dissenters souls to boot but the unity the Justice would seem to aim at is that whatever the Church-men of England say the Dissenters must do that must be done or else stop their mouths the Dissenters infectious Breath will undo us all and and give us the Plague besides want of money therefore Instead of any condiscention to them stop their mouths with the Act of the 17th of this King least they grow too formidable Here is the Union the Justice but now talked of in his third page O rare charitable Justice and good natur'd man Well but what if Sir W. should be out in his Polliticks that the way to Union is to force it by devouring the Dissenters by penal Laws now I am apt to think he is out if he will but give himself leave to recollect himself a little as to History both sacred and prophane and let him but show in any one place that ever the force of the Civil Magistrate or by any one force of Arms in the whole world in matters of Religion it ever prevailed or effected such an end as Sir W. would make the world believe he aims at the Scripture tells us have a care lest you be found fighting against God and advises to let the Secrets as they were called by the Jews and the Pharisees in the Apostles Time alone for said a wise man among them then to the Councel have a care what you do if this be of God it will stand if not it will soon come to nought All that ye do against them will come to nought if they be of God for Religion is neither to be played withall nor affrighted from and it commonly thrives best when the Enemies of it do most industriously oppose it God's Justice hath a longer reach Mr. Justice than the fingers of the King or the Temporal Law more than you are aware of therefore it may be that all your malice can amount to will be so far from rooting up the Dissenters and stopping the mouths of their Teachers that it may rather increase than decrease and it may be as far out of your power to hinder it as it was once out of your power to keep Richard Cromwel in the Chair after you had taken so much pains in addressing him And for your fear of the Dissenters being formidable to the Government as you say in this page if they be so formidable in their help to support the Government with their Persons and Purses as heretofore they have been in Restoring His present Majesty then sure there will be no great terrour upon the Government from them be they