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A68024 A parte of a register contayninge sundrie memorable matters, written by diuers godly and learned in our time, which stande for, and desire the reformation of our Church, in discipline and ceremonies, accordinge to the pure worde of God, and the lawe of our lande. Udall, John, 1560?-1592. Demonstration of the trueth of that discipline which Christe hath prescribed in his worde for the government of his Church, in all times and places, untill the ende of the worlde. 1593 (1593) STC 10400; ESTC S101665 62,546 88

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may giue them selues to lust the sooner 18 It was ordayned that none eyther B or Elder shoulde goe from citie to citie Therefore if a Minister haue the charge of a flocke committed vnto him to the ende to feede it if God place men to the ende to haue them there imployed if flockes in daunger haue neede of continuall watche if the Ministers duetie to his flocke requireth all that trauayle that he can performe if he can not be fruitfullie profitable vnto them without continuall residence if his residence be as strictlie required as theirs vnder the lawe if he cannot be a paterne vnto them without he be resident if they can not follow him nor know him if he be absent if he cannot bee alwayes readie to feede his flocke vnles he be there if he cannot take heede to them feede them and watche ouer them without his presence if Satan be the authour of nonresidencie if his absence abridge Gods loue to them and comfort from him selfe if absence be an hinderance to the louing familiaritie that shoulde bee betwixt him and them if they haue interest in him continuall neede of him if he may no more be absent then the priestes dwell from the Temple if the Councell of Nice did vpon good grounds forbid it if absence bee like to the practise of an harlot if it be not lawfull to goe frō place to place then is nonresidence vnlawful and the practize thereof contrarie to the worde of God The bellie for which nonresidencie is defended and practized hath no eares therefore it is that they heare not these euident soundes yet haue they verie little to say for it so grosse is the error thereof so much as hath any shew of reason is here set downe and answered 1 Obiection Two parishes may bee vnited why then may not one haue charge of them both before when they be two Answere Because one shephearde may keepe one flocke though it be great but he can not keepe two being very little and going in diuers pastures agayne one man may haue so many flockes as he can lead in and out euery Sabboth to the exercises of religion which is very playne that he cannot doe to more then one Congregation 2 Obiection Parishes were deuided by men as especially by Denis the Monke Pope of Rome Aunswere That is vntrue for the Apostles deuided the Church into Congregations and placed Elders ouer euerie one of them as the whole course of the Actes and Epistles of the Apostles prooueth and Whitgift confesseth page 250. Therefore these mistes notwithstanding nonresidencie must needes be vnlawfull and certainly those that haue any sparkle of conscience feare of God or loue to their flockes will neuer defende it much lesse enter into the practize of it CHAP. 4. IT belongeth to the Church to make choise of those officers which Christ would haue placed in the same T. C. 2. booke 1. part pag. 193. Ecclesiast Discip. fo 40. Whitgift confesseth it pag. 164. They denie this as their denying of all the arguments that be brought for it doeth prooue Whitgift pag. 154. 166. c. and their practize of allowinge patrons and also being such them selues doeth euidentlie declare If the former be proued true then the latter must returne to Antichrist which is thus declared 1 That which was the continuall and constant practise of the Church in the time of the Apostles that same is to be followed for euer which appeareth by this that the ordinances giuen from God by Paule 1. Tim. 6. 14. are enioyned to bee kept vntill Christ come to iudgement But it was the cōstant and the continuall practize of the Churches them to haue a stroke in the choyse of their owne ecclesiasticall officers Act. 1. and 26. where the Apostles presented two to the peoples liking whereof God was to be prayed vnto to make one an Apostle Act. 6. 3. where the Church is willed to choose their Deacons and Act. 14. 25. where they gaue their consent in the choosing of their Elders by the stretching foorth of their handes Therefore it belongeth to the church to thoose their owne Church-officers 2 If the people had an interest in their liking of their teaching Leuites which were of the tribe of Aaron then much more must the people now for there was greater likelihood that they were sent of God then any of the common sorte of men But the former is true as appereth by the maner of the setting of them aside vnto that office in the lawe Therefore must the latter needes be true also 3 That which partayneth vnto all ought to be approued of all the Congregation But euery Ministerie in the Church pertayneth to all the congregation Therefore authoritie to approoue of them pertayneth to all the congregation 4 That election which is most effectuall to bring the people to obedience is of all other the best and to abridge it is vnlawfull But election by common consent is most effectuall to bring the people to obedience when they shall see him teache or rule whome they them selues haue chosen Therefore election by the Church is the best and all other kindes of elections vnlawfull 5 That election whiche procureth greatest reuerence of the people to their Teachers and Rulers is meetest and all others vnlawfull But for the people to consent in the election of their Gouuernours procureth greatest reuerence in their heartes towardes them Therefore election by the people is the best and all others be vnlawfull Testimonies of the ancient writers 6 The Minister should be chosen the people beeing present in the eyes of all and should be by the common iudgement and testimonie approoued worthie and fitte c. Therfore this is the lawfull vocation by the word of God where those which are chosen bee appointed by the consent and approbation of the people For which also hee bringeth diuers authorities out of the Scriptures 7 That is truely and certainlie a diuine election of a Bishop which is made by the whole Church 8 Let the people haue authoritie to choose their Clarkes and Ministers 9 They runne speaking of the life of the Clarkes to Bishops suffragans certaine times of the yeare and bringinge some summe of money they are anoynted and ordayned being chosen of none and afterwarde the Bishop without anie lawfull election is chosen in huggermuger of the Canons or Prebendaries onely without the knowledge of the people 10 In the Oration of the death of his Father approueth the election by the people at large and confuteth them that would hinder it 11 When he appointed Eradius to succeede him sayeth it was the approued right custome that the whole church should eyther choose or consent vnto their Bishop 12 Antimius choosing a Bishop without the peoples cōsent filled all Armenia with sedition 13 Why did Peter cōmunicate the election with the Disciples least the matter should haue turned to a
sinners that can not without offence be admitted to the Lordes supper yet deserue not excommunication if for corporall vncleannes vnder the lawe they were to abstaine a certaine time and if the church can not without great offence suffer him that hath committed an open sinne though he repent or that is vehemently suspected of a notorious sinn cōtinue in the execution of his office vntill the Congregation bee satisfied Lastlie if the priest that was vncleane or suspected of leprosie might not offer sacrifices then is it plaine that both the separation of some men from the Lordes supper and other from the execution of their publike function for a time is a thing warranted by the worde of God The latter part which is that this kinde of suspention hath a profitable vse in the Church of God is thus proued 1 That which keepeth the godly in more carefull obedience and keepeth in the hypocrites that they breake not out is very profitable for the Church of God But such is the vse of the separation from the Lordes Supper and from executing publike function in the Church Therefore it is profitable in the church of God 2 That whiche remooueth euen the appearance of offence from the Church of God is very profitable for the same But such is the separation Therefore it is profitable for the Church of God 3 That which declareth vnto the worlde that the Church of God is carefull to practise that which it professeth is verie profitable But such is this separation for it sheweth that they cannot away with vngodly life no nor among them selues Therefore it is profitable for the church of God 4 That which giueth occasion to the Church to be exercised in the action of religion with more sounde comfort is profitable for the same But such is this separation for euery one shall see thereby the vnworthy for whose sakes God might be angrie with them all Iosh. 7. 11. weeded from among them Therefore it is profitable for the Church of God 5 That which is a speciall meanes to procure the Lorde in mercie to continue his worde vnto his Church is profitable for the same such is this separation for it is a notable meanes to keepe men in obedience to that whiche they professe Therefore it is profitable for the Church of God Therefore if separation of the knowne or suspected sinner from the Lordes supper and such a Church-officer from the execution of his publike function doe keepe men in obedience that be godly and restrayneth hypocrites from outrage if it remooue the very appearance of euill if it lett the world see that the Church laboureth to practize that which it doeth professe if it make euery member of the Church to be exercised in the actions of religion with greater comfort Lastlie if it be a speciall meane to procure the Lorde in mercie to continue his worde then must it needes followe that it is of verie profitable vse vnto the Church of God CHAP. 19. WHen neyther admonition nor suspention will serue to reclay me the offendor but that it doth appeare that he abydeth in impenitencie and is incorrigible the Eldership after mature deliberation and commending of the partie vnto the prayers of the Church he yet remaining obstinate is to proceede to excommunication which containeth these propositions in question betwixt vs and the Bishops 1 It may not be done but vpon great and waightie occasion 2 It may not bee done by any one man but by the Eldership the whole Church consenting therevnto The former is holden by vs T. C. 1. booke pag. 183. disc Eccle. 130. and denied by them in their practise that sende it out many times for not paying of sixe pence But our assertion is thus prooued and their godles practise disproued 1 That which Christ hath ordayned for the last remedie against sinne and onely to bee vsed when neyther admonition reprehension nor separation from the externall communion of the Saintes for a time will serue that same is not to be vsed but vpon great extremitie But such is excommunication as appeareth Mat. 18. 15. Therefore it may not bee vsed but vpon most waightie occasion that is in the case onlie of extremitie when no other meanes will serue the turne 2 That whiche cutteth a man off from the Church of God and giueth him ouer vnto Satan as one in a desperate case that same may not be vsed but in greatest extremitie But such is excommunication being vsed according as God hath left it vnto his Church 1. Cor. 5. 5. Therefore it may not be vsed but in greatest extremitie 3 That which a man will doe in the cutting off of his hande or his foote that same must the Church doe in excommunication for it is the cutting off of a member But a man will trie all other wayes and will neuer cutt of his hande or his foote vntill he see it incurable and readie to infect the other partes of his bodie Therefore excommunication may not be vsed but in case of greatest extremitie 4 That which is contrarie to naturall affection and worketh that which a louing heart doeth tremble to thinke of that same may not bee done but in greatest extremitie But such is the excommunication for it depriueth the party excommunicated of our loue and throweth him into the most wretched case that can befall vnto man in this life Therefore it may not be done but in case of greatest extremitie Therefore if excommunication be ordained of Christ as a remedie onely when all other helpes will not serue if it cutt the partie from Gods Church and giue him ouer vnto Satan if it must be proceeded vnto as a man doeth to the cutting off of his hande or foote lastlie if it be a worke contrarie vnto the naturall affection of man and effecteth that which a louing heart doeth tremble to thinke vppon then must it needes followe that it is to be proceeded vnto onely in the cases of greatest extremitie and after that all other meanes haue bin vsed and doe appeare not to preuayle The latter poynt whiche is that excommunication may not be done by one man but by the Eldership the whole Church consenting therevnto is holden by vs T. C booke 1. pag. 183. Discipl Ecclest 130. c. and denied by them Whitgift pag. 662. and their continuall practize But our assertion is thus prooued and their opinion practize found to be erroneous and vngodlie 1 That whiche Christe commaunded to bee done by the Church may not be done by one man vnles you take my L. Grace for the Church as Whitgift doeth page 662. whiche needeth no confutation But Christe commaunded that excommunication should be done by the Church Mat. 18. 15. Therefore it may not be done by one man 2 That whiche Paule enioyned the Church when they were met togither to doe may not be done by one man But he commaunded them to excommunicate the incestuous person when they were met