Selected quad for the lemma: religion_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
religion_n	church_n	pope_n	rome_n	5,434	5	6.6788	4	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A13298	A rejoynder to the reply published by the Iesuites vnder the name of William Malone. The first part. Wherein the generall answer to the challenge is cleared from all the Iesuites cavills	Synge, George, 1594-1653.	1632 (1632)	STC 23604; ESTC S118086	381,349	430

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pont._n l_o 4._o c._n 7_o cyprianus_n pertinaciter_fw-la restitit_fw-la stephano_n pontifici_fw-la do●●●ienti_fw-la haereticos_fw-la non_fw-la rebaprixand●●_n ut_fw-la patet_fw-la ex_fw-la epistola_fw-la ejusdem_fw-la cypriani_fw-la ad_fw-la pompei●●_n &_o tamen_fw-la non_fw-la solum_fw-la non_fw-la fuit_fw-la haereticus_fw-la sed_fw-la neque_fw-la mortaliter_fw-la peccavit_fw-la et_fw-la tamen_fw-la ec●●esia_n cypria●um_fw-la ut_fw-la sanctam_fw-la colit_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la videtur_fw-la unquam_fw-la resipuisse_fw-la ab_fw-la illo_fw-la svo_fw-la error_n to_o the_o african_a bishop_n in_o the_o cause_n of_o appeal_v fuerunt_fw-la appeal_v epist_n bonifacii_n ●_o ad_fw-la alex._n episc_n aurelius_n enim_fw-la praefatae_fw-la carthaginensis_n ecclesiae_fw-la olim_fw-la episcopus_fw-la cum_fw-la c●llegis_fw-la sui●_n instigante_fw-la diabolo_fw-it superbire_fw-la temporibus_fw-la praedecessorum_fw-la no●●●orum_fw-la bonifacii_n atque_fw-la coelesti●i_fw-la contra_fw-la 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that_o the_o scripture_n remain_v the_o only_a 〈◊〉_d upon_o which_o a_o man_n 〈◊〉_d his_o faith_n for_o any_o thing_n the_o jesuite_n have_v pick●●_n out_o of_o this_o learned_a divine_a ●_o ●_o d._n field_n 〈◊〉_d his_o appendix_n to_o the_o book_n of_o the_o 〈◊〉_d par_fw-fr 2._o §._o ●_o 〈…〉_o will_v 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ●●_o any_o way_n 〈…〉_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d where_o 〈…〉_o i_o have_v in_o my_o epistle_n 〈◊〉_d that_o all_o m●●_n 〈◊〉_d careful_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o be_v the_o true_a 〈◊〉_d that_o so_o they_o may_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d follow_v her_o direction_n and_o rest_n in_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d charge_v ●●_o that_o ●●_o my_o four_o 〈◊〉_d follow_v i_o 〈◊〉_d she_o of_o almost_o all_o such_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a●_n i_o 〈◊〉_d

〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d unto_o she_o so_o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d safe_o follow_v her_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d rest_n in_o her_o judgement_n in_o th●●_n i_o say_v general_a counceil_n may_v 〈◊〉_d in_o 〈◊〉_d of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o church_n herself_o from_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o christian_a religion_n and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o all_o this_o be_v a_o ●ad_a beginning_n be_v a_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o i_o lay_v down_o 〈…〉_o first_o that_o the_o church_n include_v in_o i●_n all_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d christ_n appear_v in_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d second_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o those_o 〈◊〉_d that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d apostle_n time_n i●_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d happy_o not_o from_o all_o ignorance_n three_o that_o the_o church_n include_v 〈◊〉_d the_o ●eleivers_n live_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d free_v not_o only_o from_o 〈◊〉_d in_o such_o thing_n 〈…〉_o to_o 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈…〉_o thing_n that_o any_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o christian_a 〈◊〉_d and_o religion_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d without_o all_o doubt_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n in_o 〈…〉_o so_o ●●_o to_o the_o thing_n 〈◊〉_d in_o scripture_n or_o 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o ●ath_v be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d because_o as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o church_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d church_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o 〈◊〉_d or_o rome_n but_o the_o universal_a church_n neither_o that_o universal_a church_n which_o 〈◊〉_d be_v gather_v together_o in_o a_o general_a council_n which_o be_v 〈◊〉_d sometime_o to_o have_v err_v but_o that_o which_o disperse_v through_o the_o world_n from_o the_o baptism_n of_o john_n continue_v to_o 〈◊〉_d time_n six_o that_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o waldensis_n the_o father_n successive_o be_v more_o certain_a judge_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n then_o a_o general_n council_n of_o bishop_n though_o it_o be_v in_o a_o sort_n the_o high_a court_n of_o the_o church_n as_o the_o treatiser_n say_v but_o say_v the_o jesuite_n if_o yet_o for_o all_o this_o our_o answerer_n will_v not_o be_v bring_v to_o build_v his_o conscience_n upon_o any_o other_o authority_n 32_o authority_n reply_v pag._n 32_o i_o perceive_v a_o little_a thing_n will_v beget_v con●idence_n 〈◊〉_d jesuite_n that_o be_v so_o lift_v up_o with_o produce_v two_o old_a objection_n to_o little_a purpose_n but_o what_o then_o why_o majora_fw-la his_o agreat_a one_o of_o our_o own_o shall_v school_v he_o a_o little_a better_o poo●e_a ●edant_n in_o what_o manner_n by_o tell_v he_o out_o of_o lyri●ensis_n that_o the_o ancient_a consent_n of_o godly_a father_n be_v with_o great_a car●_n not_o only_o to_o be_v search_v but_o also_o to_o be_v follow_v of_o we_o chief_o in_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n ibid._n reply_v ibid._n as_o if_o the_o consent_n of_o father_n be_v the_o absolute_a rule_n of_o faith_n without_o scripture_n when_o you_o yourselves_o dare_v not_o attribute_v to_o any_o father_n authority_n &_o power_n to_o express_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n by_o their_o bare_a consent_n for_o durand_n say_v that_o although_o the_o church_n have_v power_n of_o g●●_n on_o 〈◊〉_d yet_o that_o do_v not_o exceed_v th●_n limitation_n of_o the_o scripture_n scripturae_fw-la scripture_n durand_n ●●_o dist._n 44._o q._n 3._o ●_o 9_o ecclesia_fw-la licet_fw-la habet_fw-la in_o terris_fw-la dominationem_fw-la dei._n illa_fw-la tamen_fw-la ●on_n excedit_fw-la limitationem_fw-la scripturae_fw-la universal_a extent_n of_o doctrine_n be_v a_o good_a directory_n to_o truth_n but_o the_o absolute_a foundation_n of_o faith_n be_v the_o sacred_a scripture_n neither_o be_v we_o at_o all_o to_o give_v credit_n say_v the_o author_n of_o the_o imperfect_a work_n upon_o matthew_n among_o the_o work_n of_o chrysostome_n unto_o the_o church_n themselves_o unless_o 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pag._n 31_o infer_v thereby_o that_o those_o which_o fix_v their_o faith_n have_v not_o only_o divine_a testimony_n but_o also_o the_o judgement_n and_o belief_n of_o the_o best_a man_n to_o declare_v the_o same_o as_o good_a subsidiarie_n help_v to_o their_o convince_a ground_n which_o do_v not_o conclude_v that_o any_o authority_n beside_o the_o scripture_n be_v necessary_a but_o that_o it_o be_v a_o fair_a &_o convenient_a rule_n to_o bridle_v man_n fancy_n lest_o the_o scripture_n shall_v be_v wrest_v by_o they_o which_o be_v too_o much_o wed_v to_o their_o own_o conceit_n to_o patronage_n their_o error_n and_o what_o augustine_n give_v to_o bishop_n and_o counsel_n this_o learned_a bishop_n assent_v unto_o but_o i_o be_o assure_v that_o the_o jesuite_n will_v not_o be_v able_a to_o prove_v that_o s._n augustine_n ever_o embrace_v such_o a_o thought_n as_o to_o believe_v that_o the_o receive_n of_o humane_a testimony_n shall_v disable_v the_o scripture_n from_o be_v the_o only_o 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they_o declare_v their_o church_n if_o they_o be_v able_a not_o in_o the_o speech_n and_o rumour_n of_o the_o african_n not_o in_o counsel_n of_o their_o bishop_n not_o in_o the_o passage_n of_o their_o dispute_n not_o in_o their_o ●ignes_n &_o deceitful_a wonder_n because_o even_o against_o these_o thing_n the_o word_n of_o god_n have_v persuade_v we_o to_o be_v ●a●y_n but_o in_o the_o law_n prophet_n psalm_n the_o pastor_n voice_n the_o evangelist_n preach_v and_o labour_n that_o be_v in_o all_o the_o canonical_a authority_n of_o holy_a scripture_n authoritatibus_fw-la scripture_n aug._n de_fw-fr vnit._n eccle._n c._n 88_o ecclesiam_fw-la svam_fw-la demonstrant_fw-la si_fw-la possunt_fw-la non_fw-la i●_n sermonibus_fw-la &_o rumoribus_fw-la afrorum_fw-la non_fw-la in_o concilijs_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la suorum_fw-la non_fw-la in_o literis_fw-la 〈◊〉_d libet_fw-la disputatorum_fw-la non_fw-la in_o signis_fw-la &_o prodigijs_fw-la ●alla●ibus_fw-la qui_fw-la etiam_fw-la contra_fw-la ista_fw-la verbo_fw-la domini_fw-la pr●parati_fw-la &_o cauti●●ddi●i_fw-la sumus_fw-la

a_o manifest_a contradiction_n in_o his_o word_n against_o himself_o for_o above_o he_o more_o than_o once_o say_v the_o jesuite_n 〈◊〉_d our_o opinion_n profane_a novelty_n and_o heretical_a novelty_n if_o novelty_n how_o be_v they_o now_o become_v heresy_n far_o spread_v and_o of_o so_o long_a continuance_n that_o we_o be_v bold_a to_o make_v duration_n the_o mark_n of_o our_o church_n ibid._n church_n reply_v ibid._n the_o jesuite_n imagine_v here_o contradiction_n and_o why_o because_o ●●_o opinion_n of_o long_a continuance_n can_v be_v style_v a_o novelty_n so_o that_o if_o we_o can_v manifest_v that_o a_o novelty_n may_v be_v of_o long_a continuance_n our_o jesuite_n be_v deceive_v in_o his_o slippery_a hope_n and_o what_o will_v he_o make_v novum_fw-la in_o religion_n but_o that_o which_o be_v not_o antiquissimum_fw-la our_o saviour_n when_o he_o will_v declare_v pharisaical_a tradition_n to_o be_v novelty_n do_v not_o respect_v their_o long_a continuance_n in_o the_o corrupt_a 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whereas_o it_o creep_v in_o many_o hundred_o year_n after_o those_o word_n which_o they_o themselves_o account_v novelty_n both_o in_o the_o arrian_n which_o have_v their_o similis_n substanti●_n and_o christ_n to_o be_v ex_fw-la non_fw-la existentibus_fw-la and_o also_o other_o heretic_n that_o have_v their_o christiparam_n and_o such_o like●_n ●_z new_a coin_a term_n agreeable_a to_o their_o sect_n wherefore_o it_o be_v not_o enough_o to_o free_v your_o doctrine_n from_o be_v novelty_n because_o they_o be_v of_o long_a continuance_n see_v the_o word_n of_o ancient_a heretic_n be_v of_o more_o long_a continuance_n and_o auncient_a in_o birth_n even_o many_o hundred_o year_n before_o they_o may_v better_o claim_v that_o privilege_n and_o be_v nevertheless_o style_v novelty_n by_o yourselves_o and_o as_o the_o rhemist_n acknowledge_v of_o word_n so_o we_o say_v concern_v point_n of_o doctrine_n that_o we_o be_v to_o esteem_v their_o newness_n or_o oldnes_n by_o the_o agreeablenes_n or_o 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his_o contradiction_n contradict_v his_o imagine_a vanity_n and_o not_o prove_v or_o confirm_v the_o same_o for_o his_o other_o collectanea_n that_o if_o they_o be_v prophant_n novelty_n then_o by_o the_o rule_n of_o lyrinensis_n they_o ought_v to_o be_v impugn_a by_o produce_v and_o confir_v the_o agree_a sentence_n of_o ancient_a doctor_n second_o that_o the_o consent_n of_o ancient_a father_n be_v call_v the_o rule_n of_o the_o ancient_a faith_n by_o lirinensis_n in_o the_o place_n allege_v 36_o allege_v reply_v pag._n 36_o 1._o we_o have_v show_v before_o finem_fw-la before_o see_v before_o sect._n 5._o prope_fw-la finem_fw-la that_o we_o dissent_v not_o from_o lyrinensis_n be_v right_o understand_v for_o all_o kind_n of_o heresy_n be_v profane_a novelty_n howsoever_o they_o differ_v in_o extent_n or_o age_n yet_o all_o kind_n of_o heresy_n be_v not_o to_o be_v impugn_a though_o profane_a novelty_n after_o this_o manner_n in_o vincentius_n lirinensis_n his_o judgement_n beside_o lirinensis_n make_v not_o the_o father_n rule_n absolute_o but_o because_o they_o assist_v at_o that_o time_n the_o scripture_n to_o rule_v unruly_a heretic_n that_o will_v wrest_v the_o same_o so_o that_o when_o the_o father_n can_v do_v the_o work_n for_o which_o they_o be_v use_v that_o be_v stop_v the_o heretic_n mouth_n because_o that_o have_v corrupt_v antiquity_n they_o will_v also_o pretend_v it_o than_o he_o think_v such_o heresy_n though_o profane_a novelty_n be_v not_o to_o be_v deal_v withal_o this_o way_n and_o for_o his_o second_o observation_n although_o the_o jesuit_n collect_v untrue_o yet_o who_o will_v deny_v consent_n of_o father_n to_o be_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n according_a to_o that_o father_n meaning_n for_o in_o the_o immediate_a quotation_n follow_v out_o of_o the_o same_o father_n we_o find_v that_o it_o have_v be_v the_o custom_n of_o catholic_n to_o try_v their_o faith_n two_o manner_n of_o way_n first_o by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o divine_a canon_n next_o by_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n traditione_n church_n vine●●_n lirinens_fw-la adv_fw-la profanas_fw-la novationes_fw-la primò_fw-la scilicet_fw-la divine_a legis_fw-la auctoritate_fw-la tum_fw-la deinde_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la catholicae_fw-la traditione_n not_o for_o that_o the_o scripture_n be_v not_o sufficient_a in_o itself_o but_o because_o very_o many_o interpret_n the_o divine_a word_n at_o their_o pleasure_n do_v conceive_v vary_v opinion_n and_o error_n 〈◊〉_d error_n ibid_fw-la hic_fw-la forsitan_fw-la requirat_fw-la aliquis_fw-la cum_fw-la sit_fw-la perfectus_fw-la scripturarum_fw-la canon_n sibique_fw-la ad_fw-la omne_fw-la satis_fw-la superque_fw-la sufficiat_fw-la quid_fw-la opus_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la eiecclesiasticae_fw-la intelligentiae_fw-la iungatur_fw-la autoritas_fw-la quia_fw-la videlicet_fw-la scripturam_fw-la sacra●●_n pro_fw-la ibsa_fw-la svi_fw-la altitudine_fw-la non_fw-la uno_fw-la codemque_fw-la sensu_fw-la universi_fw-la accipiunt_fw-la quod_fw-la ●●_o confideratio_fw-la temporis_fw-la 〈◊〉_d now_o in_o these_o word_n who_o do_v not_o see_v that_o lyrinesis_n do_v make_v consent_n of_o father_n not_o to_o be_v a_o absolute_a or_o sufficient_a rule_n of_o faith_n as_o he_o do_v the_o scripture_n but_o a_o directive_n rule_v to_o the_o right_a understanding_n of_o the_o absolute_a and_o sufficient_a rule_n of_o faith_n which_o be_v the_o holy_a scripture_n neither_o can_v we_o otherwise_o confecture_v but_o that_o lirinensis_n give_v this_o directive_n rule_n for_o his_o own_o time_n add_v ibid._n add_v and_o not_o to_o all_o succeed_a age_n for_o by_o many_o particular_n it_o be_v apparent_a that_o the_o foundation_n and_o ground_n of_o his_o whole_a discourse_n receive_v be_v from_o those_o wise_a experience_n which_o the_o present_a age_n he_o live_v in_o and_o precedent_n have_v afford_v he_o beside_o we_o have_v many_o mathematical_a instrument_n which_o be_v rule_n in_o their_o kind_n as_o the_o 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wheredome_n and_o fornication_n wherewith_o they_o defile_v the_o court_n of_o rome_n and_o usury_n in_o the_o high_a degree_n vocant_fw-la degree_n n●ch_o cle●●●ng_v in_o lib_n de_fw-la corrupto_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la stam_fw-la c._n 10._o cardinalium_fw-la qui_fw-la papae_fw-la assident_fw-la spiritus_fw-la verba_fw-la tumen●ia_fw-la gestus_fw-la tam_fw-la sunt_fw-la insolent●s_fw-la ut_fw-la si_fw-la a●tifex_fw-la cuique_fw-la vellet_fw-la superbiae_fw-la simulach●um_fw-la effingere_fw-la nullâ_fw-la congruentius_fw-la tati●●●id_fw-la facere_fw-la ●osset_n quam_fw-la cardinalis_fw-la effigi●●_n oculis_fw-la in●●●●i●m_fw-la objecta●●o_fw-la idem_fw-la c._n 12._o quis_fw-la ●esci●●_n ●ctionis_fw-la schismatics_n horrend_a be_o p●●●●m_fw-la per_fw-la nequitiam_fw-la cardi●alium_fw-la in_o ecclesiae_fw-la gr●mium_fw-la injectam_fw-la etc._n etc._n idem_fw-la c._n t●_n quis_fw-la immensam_fw-la &_o i●●●t●icabi●em_fw-la voraginem_fw-la ip●orum_fw-la concupiscenti●_n ver_fw-la bis_fw-la square_a valeat_fw-la etc._n etc._n idem_fw-la c._n 12._o trans●o_o simoniacal_a a●●d_n papa●_n intercessione●_n patrocinia_fw-la ve●alia_fw-la corruptiones_fw-la aut_fw-la promotione●●●●pis●im●●_n &_o damna●is●●●s_n quae_fw-la omnes_fw-la ferè_fw-la istis_fw-la auctoribus_fw-la &_o suasoribus_fw-la ●i●bant_fw-la etc._n etc._n ne●_n enum●rare_fw-la volo_fw-la c●rum_fw-la adulteria_fw-la flupra_fw-la ●o●●ic●●●ones_fw-la quibus_fw-la romanam_fw-la curi●●●●●am_fw-la nu●●_n inc●●●ant_a etc._n etc._n ne●_n refero_fw-la vsuras_fw-la etc._n etc._n quâ_fw-la ex_fw-la causa_fw-la n●●mulario●_n supreme_a 〈…〉_o non_fw-it incongru●n●er_a ●o●_n quidam_fw-la vocant_fw-la and_o for_o their_o clergy_n how_o be_v they_o esteem_v among_o themselves_o aventine_n term_n they_o in_o his_o time_n great_a wolf_n lustful_a per_fw-la son_n adulterer_n ravisher_n of_o virgin_n and_o nun_n theive_v and_o usurper_n drone_n lecherous_a perfidious_a perjure_a ignorant_a ass_n wolf_n hypocrite_n narro_fw-la 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