is infallible otherwise the whole Church might erre which D. Feild Feild pag. 203. l. 4. cap. 5. with priuiledge denyeth in these words Wee thinke that particular men and Churches may erre damnably because not withstanding others may worship God arright but that the whole Church at one time cannot so erre for that the Church should cease vtterly for a time and so not be Catholicke beinge not at all times and Christ should some times be without a Church Therefore the Vniuersitie of Cambridge by warrant from our Kinge alloweinge the one and D. Feild with publicke applause in the name of all English Protestants as his words wee thinke ar wittnes attesting the other and all English Protestants before assureing vs that they and all their Churches doe or may thus erre they cannot haue or be this true Church of Christ And because there is no other in any probable Iudgment left to be free from such damnable erring but the Romane Church because there reason telleth vs the Church cannot cease but be Catholick in all times and Christ cannot be without a Church This externall and Infallible Iudge is in the Romane Church and that this freed from damnable error is the true Church of Christ but of this in the next chapter CHAPTER II. WHEREIN DEMONSTRAtion is made by these English Protestant Doctors themselues writing or allowed as before synce the begynninge of Kinge IAMES his Raigne in England that the Romane Church is the true Church of Christ NOw it will be no difficult thinge to proue euen by this Protestants themselues that the Romane Churche that I meane which submitteth it selfe to the Iurisdiction of the Pope of Rome as the vicar of Christ Successor to S. Peter and supreame heade thereof is the true Churche of Christ for being generally graunted by Protestants that either their conuenticle and congregation or the Church of Rome is the true Church of God and their clayme and title thus shamefully by them selues excluded and ouerthowne it must needs follow by iust consequence that the Romane Church is that blessed companie of holy ones howshold of faith spouse of Christ and Church of the liueinge God priuiledged with such Immunities and commaunding power as is declared and by English Protestants ascribed to the true Church in the former chapter whereupon the ProtestaÌ„t offerres of conference speake of themselues and Offer of conference pag. 16. their cause in these words If the ministers bee inâ—â—â—or they protest to all the worlde that the Pope and the Churche of Rome and in them God and Christ Iesus himself haue had greate wronge and Inâ—ignitie offered vnto them in that they ar reiected and that all the Protestant Churches ar Scismatiâ—all in forsakeinge vnitie and communion with them And a little before speakinge of some positions Offer sup pag. 11. amonge them offered then to bee disputed They write in these termes diuers of the propositions ar suche that if the ministers should not constantly holde and mayntaine the same against all men they cannot see how possibly by the Rules of diuinitie the seperation of our Churches from the Churche of Rome and from the Pope the supreame heade thereof can bee iustified But to mâ—ke particular and direct probation of the is Catholicke doctrine by these Protestants I argue thus from their owne diuinitie in the 2. Article of their Religion of Articles of Relig. articul 12. artic 19. the necessarie and vnseparable by them vnion of faith and good workes and their definition of the true Church in their 19. Article subscribed vnto by all English Ministers and it is in this maner Whatsoeuer Church hath in great multitude men vertuous learned fraught with the loue of God and the truthe aboue all thinges men of memorable Integritie of hart and affections preachinge much both of faith and pietie with wonderfull zeale and spirit That must needs be the true Church of Christ But the present Church of Rome is such Therefore it is the true Church of Christ The first proposition is euidently deduced from those two Articles of their Religion and cannot be denyed The Minor proposition consisteth of the expresse words of their Protestant Relator of the Relation of the state of Religion â—ap 48. state of Religion and so nothing remayneth to be further proued My second Argument is thus framed where The outwarde state and glorie of the seruice doth engender quicken encrease and norish inward reuerence respect and deuotion which is due vnto soueraigne Maiestie and power Where deedes of charitie be exceedinge the life of some of their Religions incomparable in seueritie where there is excellent order of gouernment singular helps for encrease of godlines and deuotion and profiting of vertue That is the true Church of Christ But the present Church of Rome is such Therefore it is the true Church of Christ The Maior proposition is manifestly true by Protestants in their Article of the Church in these words the visible Church of Articul 19. sup Christ is a congregation of faithfull men in which the pure word of God is preached c. in all those things that of necessitie ar requisite to the same All which ar conteyned in the first proposition The seconde is their owne expresse words Relation of the state of Religion c. 9. c. 22. c. 26. c. 48. written and published of the present Romane Churche by their Relator of Religion for confirmation of bothe which Arguments the same Protestant Author not ignorant of so many differences in Religion betweene the Romane Church and them persuading an vnion betweene them onely requireth Catholicks to giue ouer fyue things all dispensable and not any Relat. c. 48. one of them essentiall as hee teacheth Which is as greate testimonie as a true Protestant can giue to the true Church for their common doctrine to defend their manifest errors is this that the true Church may er in matters not essentiall and fundamentall The words of D. Willet Willet Antil-pagâ— 43. Art 19. Feild of the Church Sutcl against D. Kell Dâ—â—â— persuas Wotton pag. 28. Middles p. 201. Powell consid at these to errors of doctrine which ar not fundamentall euen the true Church of Christ is subiect So their booke of Articles of Religion so D. Feild ordinarily in his bookes of the Church so D. Sutcliffe D. Doue one of their Bishops Mr. Wotton Mr. Middleton Mr. Powell and all the rest that made Protestants and Puritans but one Church do and must acknowledge And the benefites which this Protestant Relator assureth his brethren to fynde by vnion with the Romane Church hee setteth downe in these termes they shall finde excellent order of gouernment singuler Relat. sup helpes for encrease of godlines and deuotion for the conquering of sinne for the profiting of vertue Which be all the happines that the true Churche can giue or man enioy in this life For all our combate is to conquer sinne to haue vertue
godlines and deuotion and whosoeuer hath obtayned these things cannot doubt of heauen which is onely prepared for people endued with such graces to which if wee add his excellent order of gouerment no propertie of the true Church is wantinge And yett the scruple of this Protestant Relator for those fyue things also shall be fully satisfied euen by himselfe and his fellowe Protestants that in them also as in the rest the Church of Rome mayntayneth the truthe and Protestants See part 2. cap. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. be in error as will appeare in the seconde parte of this worke in the chapters here cited Thirdly I argue thus No Church wantinge the supreame and byndeing authoritie ouer all others which their Bishop D. Bilson D. Feild D. Morton D. Sutcliffe c. affirme to be a generall cowncell can be the true Church of Christ and consequenly because there is of necessitie one true Church that which enioyeth it is the true Church of Christ But neither any Protestant or other Church besides the Church of Rome hath or can haue this supreame byndinge authoritie Therefore that onely is the true Churche of Christ The Maior proposition for the supreame bynding authoritie to be in the true Church is euidently true otherwise no controuersie could be decided nothinge in Religion warranted for truthe nothinge condemned for Heresie For where there is no such bindeinge and commaundeinge authoritie to be obeyed or resisted there can be no truth beleeued by authoritie nor any obstinate resistance vnto it which as D. Couell Mr. Ormerod and other Protestants Couell exam pag. 202. Ormer dial 2. c. Feild pag. 228. tell vs is required to heresie Now that this supreame bindinge authoritie is onely in a generall cowncell by these Protestants is testified by D. Feild in these words The supreame and binding authoritie is onely in Bishops in a Generall Cowncell So the Protestant Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson so D. Morton D. Bilson Suruey pag. 85. Mort. part 2. apolog pag. 340. Sutcliffe against D. Kell pag. 41. 4. 102. Protest Demonstrat cap. 2. c. Sutcliffe with others The seconde proposition is euidently of late demonstrated in the booke Intituled Protestants Demonstrations where manifest proofe is made by these Protestants themselues that they ar so farr from euer haueing a Generall Cowncell of Bishops that their English Protestants neither haue nor can haue true and lawfull Bishop Preist or Minister amonge them of their creation And if by impossibilitie they could haue Bishops yett that they cannot haue any such Cowncell is wittnessed by their Relator in these words which I haue also Relation c. 47. cited before The Protestants ar seuered bandes or rather scattered troopes eache draweinge dyvers way without any meanes to pacifie their quarrells to take vp their controuersies No Prince with any preeminence of Iurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarcke one or more to haue a common superintendance or care of their Churches for correspondencie and vnitie no ordinary way to assemble a Generall Cowncell of their parte the onely hope remayninge to asswage their contentions And in their publick glosse vppon their booke of Articles they Rog. vppon the â—ooke of Articl in praefat acknowledge this thinge so vnpossible in their Religion that they could neuer with all meanes they made bringe to passe to haue any meeting of Protestants to come to vnitie amonge themselues but euery Protestant State and Contry hath a seuerall Confession or Profession in Religion As also those seuerall Confessions witnes Where wee see that it is a thinge so vnpossible for these meÌ„ to assemble a Generall Cowncell which they teach is to consist of all Professions that they cannot doe it for their owne poorte as the words ar nor haue any other meanes amonge them of Iurisdiction to decide controuersies when contrary wise of the Romane Churche hee speaketh Relat. sup cap. 47. in this maner in the same place The other haue the Pope as a common Father Aduiser and Conduâ—â—â—â— to them all to reconcile their Iarrs to appease their displeasures to decide their difference aboue all things to drawe their Religion by consent of Cowncells to vnitie Neither can any Protestant say that this is spoken of this Relator consideringe the present states of those Churches and is onely so in that meaneinge Obiect and not absolutely and generally true for it is both absolutely and generally true Answ and euen by the nature and doctrine it self of those Religions for the Romane Church mayntayneth for the Pope and hee for himself claimeth as Successor to S. Peter Superioritie and Commaundeinge Authoritie in the whole Christian Worlde in spirituall causes which no Prince Parlament Presbitery or other Regent amonge Protestants doth out of their owne temporall confines and Gouernment as is playnely sett downe in the Relators sentence and freely acknowledged by all Protestant writers My next Argument is this That which is a congregation of faithfull men in the which the pure worde of God is preached and the Sacraments duely ministred in all thinges requisite is the true Church of Christ But the Romane Churche is such Therefore it is the true Churche of Christ The Maior proposition consisteth of the Englishe Protestants definition of true Churche sett downe in the Articles of their Religion in these words The visible Articles of Relig. art 19. Churche of Christ is a Congregation of faithfull men in the which the pure worde of God is preached and the Sacraments be duely ministred accordeinge to Christs ordinance in all those things that of necessitie ar requisite to the same The seconde proposition supposeing their former doctrine onely requireing in the true Church points of essentiall fundamentall and necessary doctrines which is also expressed in this Article Relation of Relig. cap. 48. Couell def of Hock pag. 68 is proued before and further by these Protestants Their Relator writeth in these words The Romane Church still keepeth inuiolable the fowndation of Religion D. Couell writeth thus toucheinge the mayne points of Christian truthe they of the Church of Rome constantly persist in them Their Bishop D. Doue supposeing their Religion for true which Doue persuas pag. 11. they do or should holde writeth in this maner In fundamentall points of doctrine the greatest papists in the worlde agree with vs. Concerninge Sacraments hee alloweth that accordeinge to our definition which is more limited and saict then that of Protestants There be as many as wee teache which be seuen and this shall not breede any such I arre betweene vs Doue sup pag. 27. 28. that therefore wee shoulde refuse to communicate together Which no man in conscience can say if hee supposeth vs to be in error For his owne words be these This proposition is vndoubtedly true no Heretiks nor Schismaticks ar to be communicated with all And to giue all contentment euen to those Protestants which doe not allowe their owne Articles in this doctrine of the
which cause D. Dâ—wname graunteth in this Downam l. 2. Antichrist pag. 105. 106. maner that S. Augustine and Victor Vticensis in Asrike were of opinion that to adhere to the Churche of Rome was a Marke of a true Catholicke in those times Which could not be except it were the commaunding Churche and enfranchised from error Neither doth this Doctor Down suâ— pag. 106. 107. Denye but the Bishops then did sweare obedience to the Pope And entreateing of a Bishopp recanteinge his Heresies hee writeth thus Hee sweareth to renownce his former Heresies and to professe and mayntayne that Faith And Religion which the Bishopp and Church of Rome did professe Which is a thinge in it self so absurde for Bishops in that best time to doe except they did hold the Popes Authoritie to be supreame and Iudgment in religeons controuersies Infallible that no man of vnderstanding can beleeue it Therefore Mr. Ormerod wittnesseth that S. Leo taught that Ormerod pict pap pag. 44. Sutcl suâ—â— pag. 19. God did assist and direct that See in decrees Concerninge Europe D. Sutcliffe giueth particular examples how S. Gregorie to vse his words commaunded the Bishops of fraunce And commaundeth also in England the constituting of our Archbishop S. Augustine and the verie See of that preeminence at Canterbury D. Couell writeth the like of Pope Gregorie his Couell against Burg. pag. 49. commaundeing authoritie in all Spayne who prouoked by the Heresie of the Arians commaunded that through all Spayne there should be but once dippinge in baptisme And if either a generall Cowncell in the primatiue Church to which Protestants will seeme to giue highest authoritie or the Emperor to Bilson Suru pag. 83. Mort. Apol. part 2. pag 340. Relat. c. 47. Suâ—cl subu pag. 119. Feild pag. 228. c. Doâ—n l. 1. Antich c. 3. pag. 36. whome by their proceedings they would highest power if they could procure any of their Religion could either giue or confirme this highest authoritie to the Pope of Rome Then D. Downame denieth not but that bothe the Emperor Iustinian and the generall Cowncell of Calcedon in the primatiue Church attributed to the Pope of Rome to be heade of the Churche which hee saith is the greatest style And addeth of that Church in that best estate Titles of honor and preeminence were giuen to the Church of Rome as the cheife or Heade of the Churches Againe I argue thus whatsoeuer power doth rightly ordaine in the Churche generally ceremonies by all to be vsed in it appointeth Metropolitanes Archbishops Bishops assigneth precincts to euery parishe and a certayne compasse to euery presbyter in the primatiue Church and best estate thereof musts needs be supreame But the power of the Pope of Rome is such Therefore it is supreame The Maior is euidently true for it conteyneth authoritie ouer all in the Churches The Minor is proued by D. Morton Mr. Ormerod Mr. Hull Mort. apol part 2. Orm. pict pur Couell exam Hull Rom. pol pag. 82. 83. 84. 85. 86. and Doctor Couell telling vs that Lent Imbringe dayes Friday Altars Albes Corporalls Preists Robes Saincts Fastings euens Saincts Shrines Hymnes Pax Pascall Taper Masse for the deade Canonicall howers Processione Holy water Introite of Masse Annoyntinge Bishops crosseing with Chrisme in Baptisme were ordayned in the Church by these primatiue and holy Popes Telesphorus Calixtus Stephanus Syluester Sixtus Vigilius Honorius Boâ—ifacius Sergius Leo Innocentius Zozimus Vitellian Celestine Pelagius Vrbanus Agapitus Damasus Higimus Pius Alexander all which ruled the Churche longe before the exceptions of Protestants against it D. Couell doth not onely tell vs that Metropolitanes Archbishops c. came from thence and whoe to whome should be obedient or superior and were so vsed before the Nicene Councell Couell mod exam pag. 111. But further to vse his words either Euaristus Bishopp in the See of Rome in the yeare of Christ 112. or as some say Dionysius first assigned the precincts to euery parishe and appointed to eache Presbyter a certaine compasse whereof himself should take chardge alone Therefore that authoritie of the Pope which thus from Couell exam pag. 162. sup the begynninge and before councells were holden assigned limited and appointed to all spirituall parsons and callings their Titles honors precincts Iurisdiction and power must needs be supreame I argue againe That Churche whose Bishoppe was before the first generall Councell Cheefe Patriarke in the Church of Christ and in that and other generall Councells so allowed and confirmed by the confession of Protestants and whose Rulers when that Church was in her florisheing and best estate a Rule to all our mother Churche c. Did make and publish decrees and lawes to the whole Church and in the greatest affaires of generall and other Councells that they should not doe against the directions of that commaundeinge Ruler els to be accompted no Councells and that it were not lawfull for Bishops to doe any thinge against his decrees must needs be the supreame and commaundinge Church ouer all others But the Church of Rome by the testimonye of ProtestaÌ„ts is in this preeminent and priuiledged estate Therefore by them it is the supreame and commaundinge Churche of the whole Christian worlde The Maior proposition is euidently true for first hee that is the first and cheife amonge all others cannot be dependant therefore hee must needs be supreame otherwise D. Feilds vnities of the Churche could not possibly be kept as is proued before nor the graunt of his fellowes that there euer was since Christ one supreame in his Church cannot be iustified For if the first cheife and moste worthie is not hee the seconde lesse cheife or lesse worthy carnot be hee And if by Protestants a generall Councell is highest and supreame Iudge as D. Morton Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 340. Sutcl subu pag. 119. Feild pag. 228. saith a generall Councell is highest Iudge by D. Surcliffe generall Councells haue soueraigne authoritie in externall gouernment by D. Feild Bishops assembled in a generall Councell haue and onely haue authoritie to interprett scriptures and by their authoritie to suppresse all them that gainesay such Interpretation and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determinations as they consent vppon to excommunication and censure of like nature Then that Pope or prelate which in that true Chnrch where such vsurpation vniustly could not be that had authoritie to confirme ratifie or to frustrat and inualidate such and all other Councells must of necessitie be supreame and of the highest commaunding power ouer all The Minor proposition is proued by these Protestants first D. Feild writeth in these words The mayne Feild l. 3. c. 1. pag. 61. 62. diuision of the christian Church is presently and was formerly for certaine hundreds of yeares into the Latine and Greeke Church as most principall In the time of the Nicene Councell and before as appeareth Nicen. Concil can 6. by the Acts of the Councell limiteinge
authoritie in such cases is priuate Therefore no Protestant Interpretation is binding or Iuridicall The Maior proposition is thus proued by D. Feild Feild l. 4. c. 19. pag. 235. in these wordes Wee confesse that neither conference of places nor consideration of the antecedeÌ„tia and consequentia nor lookinge into the originalls are of any force vnlesse wee fynde the thingâ— which wee conceaue to be vnderstoode and ment in the places interpreted to be consonant to the Rule of faithe And hee writeth thus againe priuate Interpretation Feild pag. 226. is not so proposed and vrged as if they would binde all others to receaue it The Minor proposition That all Protestant expositions in respect of a bindeing and Iuridicall power are priuate is thus proued by this Protestant Argument No Interpretation or Interpreters wanteing Iurisdiction and authoritie to commaunde their Interpretations and expositions in matters of faith to be beleued as suche is to be accompted byndeing and Iuridicall But all English Protestant Interpretations expositions and definitions by their owne Iudgment want this bindeing and commaundeing authoritie in matters of faithe Therefore they are not Iuridicall and byndeinge to be beleeued The Maior is euidently true for where there is not power and authoritie in things those things cannot be rightly and iuridically commaunded or bindeing men to doe or beleeue them The Minor proposition is proued by D. Feild in these wordes As before wee made Feild pag. 228. three kinds of Iudgment the one of discretion Common to all the other of direction Common to the Pastors of the Churche and a third of Iurisdiction proper to them that haue supreame power in the Church So likewise wee make three kindes of Interpretation the first priuate the seconde of publickâ— direction and so the Pastors of the Church may publickly propose what they conceaue of it And the third of Iurisdiction and so they that haue supreame power that is in the Bishops assembled in a generall Councell may interpreate the scripture and by their authoritie suppresse all them that shall gaynesay such Interpretations and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determinations as they consent vppon to excommunication and Censures of the like nature Hitherto D. Feilds wordes playnely declareing that in his Iudgment the Protestants neither haue nor can haue this Iuridicall and commaundeing Iudgment or Interpretation because as is proued by themselues before they neither haue had nor can haue any generall Councell in which alone he placeth this Iurisdiction and bindeing power For proposeing without authoritie which hee giueth there to Bishops is not Iuridicall and coactiue If hee shall answeare that in the first three hundred yeares there was no generall Councell and yet matters of Religion were decided and embraced hee condemneth himself and all Protestants in this busines for either hee must leaue that primatiue Church absolutely without Iurisdictâ—on and power which is moste absurde or leaue it to them that both truely claymed and vsed it the Popes of Rome as these Protestants haue before acknowledged And aboue all men D. Feild must be of that opinion for hee Feild pag. 202. hath written and allowed in this maner Wee must reuerence the authoritie of all Catholiâ—ke Doctors whose doctrine and writeings the Church alloweth wee must more regarde the authoritie of Catholicke Bishops more then these the authoritie of the Apostolicke Churches amongst them more especially the Church of Rome of a generall Councell more then all these Therefore by this Protestant Doctor in tyme when generall Councells cannot be the highest deciding and Iuridicall sentence and power is in the Church and Pope of Rome And by this hee is also preuented from sayinge that Protestants may commaunde such Interpretations and definitions within their owne temporall Territories for so they should not moste reuerence and respect next to a generall Councell the Church of Rome the next Iudge as hee hath written but quite the contrary their owne stubborne and disobedient wills which in such causes is Hereâ—icall or Scâ—maticall vsurpation and yet D. Feild in his diuision of Interpretations before assigneth no Iurisdiction at all to inferior Bishops to commaunde either in the whole Church or in Prouinciall in such cases Further I argue thus No opinions or Articles not grownded vppon the worde of God are to be beleeued or commaunded as matters of faith But all Protestants deductions and Interpretations in these controuersies are such not grownded vppon the word of God therefore not to be beleeued or commaunded as Articles of faith The Maior is the Common doctrine of Protestants The Minor is proued both before when Protestants haue depriued themselues of Councells Popes and all true proposers of the word of God tying themselues to their owne doctrines and deductions and is thus further confirmed by D. Couell in these wordes Couell def of Hook pag. 85. Doctrines deriued exhortations deducted Interpretations agreable are not the word of God Therefore the whole Religion of Protestants against Catholicks beinge thus fownded vppon so deceatefull a grounde as humanee deduction is cannot truely and Iuridically be commaunder Yet it is so manifest to all that their Religion consisteth wholly on their Imagined Interpretations and deductions that Mr. Wotton and Wottoâ— def of Perk. pag. 467. c. others are enforced absurdely to say that deduction from scripture maketh a matter of Faithe otherwiâ—e hee â—annot make any articlâ— of faith to be in their doctrine against vs. And D. Feild himself so resolute before against these priuate Interpretations and expositions seemeth to be of the same minde to defend their Religion in makeing such deductions to be matters of faith by euery priuate deduction his wordes be these Wee Feild pag 226. say that men not neglâ—cting that light of direction which the Churche yeeldeth noâ— other helps and meanes may be assured out of the nature of the things themselues the Conference of places the knowledg of tongues and the sutable correspondence that one parte of dyuine truth hath with an other that they haue sownde out the true meaneinge of it And by this assurednes hee seemeth to vnderstand assurednes of faith makeing their priuate deductions and Interpretations the worde of God as M. Wotton before cited doth in Wotton def of Perk. pag. 467. these wordes Wee acknowledge both and holde all matters concludeth Logically out of the scriptures to be the word of God as well as if they were expressely sett downe in it worde for worde Therefore I may lâ—wfully take it is a Common Protestant doctryne both Doctor Feild and M. Wotton speakeinge for their Protestants in the plurall number wee say wee acknowledge c. so that by their Religion M. Feilds or M. Wottons Logicke vaine and vncertayne deduction is of higher authoritie and more to be beleeued then any generall Councell or Articl of Relig. art 21. other externall Rule of Religion for all these by them as is presently to be proued may erre euen in
caused without a cause The Minor proposition is manifestly proued by these Protestants in this order for they haue before condemned all other Rules which they haue of error as their parlement Kings Censure and all priuate Interpretations and made them subiect and controleable by generall Councells as hauing authoritie ouer all parsons D. Feilds wordes of allowance after hee had with others graunted generall Councells to be supreame bynding and commaunding all be these Wee must obey without scrupulous questioninge with all modestie of Feild pag. 202. minde and reuerence of bodye with all good allowance acceptation and repose in the wordes of them that teach vs vnlesse they teach vs any thinge which the authoritie of the higher and superior controlleth Immediately before hee had allowed the supreame and highest Iudgment to generall Councells and the next to the Pope and Church of Rome Then Protestants teacheing contrarie to superior and higher authoritie in the Pope are to be condemned by him But notwithstanding all this to make their cause desolate and demonstrate that their Religion hath no warrant of truth and Infallibilitie at all Thus they write of this highest Rule of generall Councells euen in their publick Articles of Religion Articles of Relig. art 21. generall Councells may erre and sometime haue erred euen in things pertayninge vnto God Wherefore things ordeyned by them as necessarie to saluation haue neither strength nor authoritie vnlesse it may be declared that they be taken out of holy scripture Therefore how truely or certainely soeuer generall Councells make decrees and definitions in matters of faith they giue no validitie to Protestant Religion if in themselues they should approue it for by their cited Article their ordination hath neither strength nor authoritie as it is the decree of the generall Councells but as it may be declared by a priuate Protestant writer Prince Parlament or Conuocation in their conceipt to be taken out of scripture and yet before they haue tolde vs a generall Councell commaundeth all all must submitt themselues vnto it and all other their Rules be erroneous and deceatefull Therefore by these Protestants neither generall Councell nor any other Rule assigned by them can by any possibilitie proue their Religion true Further I argue thus No societie people or professors of Religion which by their owne confession neither haue nor by their proceedings can hereafter haue or haue heretofore had any generall Councell or meanes to assemble and call it can in reason pretend it for their cause But the state of Protestants by their owne confession is such Therefore generall Councells cannot be pretended for them The Maior proposition is euidently true for esse and beinge must needs in all things goe before operari and workeinge by them For as by nature nothinge can be made of nothinge so that which wanteth being and is not can produce nothinge The Minor proposition is likewise manifestly true for neuer any Protestant nor altogether so much as clayme authoritie or Iurisdiction in this matter none amonge them pretending it further then their owne particular temporall dominions which all vnited together neuer like to be are farre to shorte and vnequall to make a Councell generall which they say excludeth none especially of the greate patriarkes of Rome Constantinople Alexandria and Antioche not one of them being for them but all with their whole precincts limitts subiects and ditions against them by their owne confession To this I add the Censure of their owne Protestant Relator in these wordes The Protestants Relation of Religion cap. 47. are seuered bandes or rather scattered troopes each drawing diuers way without any meanes to pacific their quarrells to take vpp their controuersies No Prince with any preeminence of Iurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarke one or more to haue a Common superintendance of care of their Churches for correspondencie and vnitie no ordinary way to assemble a generall Councell of their part the onely hope remayninge euer to assuage their contentions And yet if they could haue meanes for such a meeteing of Protestants so few in number and weake in Iurisdiction by their owne graunte in regard of Catholicks and other Christian Kingdomes and prouinces different to them in Religion this would be farre from the leaste shewe and name of an vniuersall and generall Councell such as they allowe to Iudge and sentence in this busines Neither can these men now deny the necessitie of generall Councells hauing so much allowed them for supreame sentencer before and appealed to a generall Councell to be assembled Neither may they compare their so desolate estate with the primatiue Church of the first three hundred yeares for themselues haue graunted before that a supreame and commaunding binding power ouer all was not onely claymed but lawfully and iuridically exercised and executed by the Popes of Rome in those times in all partes of the Christian world and both power and authoritie to approue and reproue Councells was belongeing vnto them by publickly receaued Canon in those dayes And herevppon I argue in this maner that generall Councells are for the doctrine of the Church of Rome Whatsoeuer Church in the primatiue time of Christianitie was endowed with such priuiledges that euery thinge was voide that was done without the consent of the Bishop and Ruler of it and no Councell could be called without his allowance and at this present hath by the graunte of Protestants a common Father aduiser and conductor to end Iarrs displeasures differences to keepe Religion in vnitie by Councells when no other Church enioyeth these immunities must needs in all reason be sayde to be warranted and defended by generall Councells But the Church of Rome is by the graunte of Protestants in this Condition Therefore warranted and defended by generall Councells The first proposition is euidently true for hee that from the begynning had these prerogatiues to approue or disproue Confirme or inualidate Councells cannot be conceaued to haue ratified or confirmed any thinge against the immunities and Common receaued doctrine of that Church so exalted dignified and priuiledged aboue all others of the whole Christian worlde and against his owne supreame and eminent Authoritie The Minor proposition is thus proued first D. Couell sheweth that an hundred yeares before the Nycene Councell in the yeare of our Lorde 2â—5 when there was no Emperour Christian to call Councells as Protestants would pâ—rsuade the world they did and should the Pope of Rome had this prerogatiue to call Councells Therefore from the begynninge by preeminence of his See seing there had not beene either generall Councell or Emperour to giue it vnto him His wordes be these The synode of Rome called Couell ag the plea of the Innoc. pag. 110. by Cornelius Pope of Rome against Nonatus consisted of threescore Bishops and many others of the cleargie Where wee see Heresie condemned and â—â— that scarcetie of Bishops in those first dayes of Christianitie so greate in Councell assembled by the Popes authoritie
Wherefore the Protestant Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson D. â—orton his late â—ppeale with others of his Protestants graunte these propositions Bilson true diff pag. 66. 67. Morton Appeale pag. 286. The Canon of the primatiâ—e Church made euery thinge voide that was done without the Bishop of Rome And againe The Canon of the primatiue Church forbad any Councell to be called without his coâ—sent Which being onely peculiar to him and his See Apostolicke and from the begynning must proue a singular preeminence in him and a power supreame in deciding Matters and doubts of faith Therefore M. Ormerod wittnesseth that S. â—eo Ormer pict pa. pag. 44. Orm. sup pag. 78. that glorious Sainct and Doctor taught that God did assist and direct that See in decrees And further hee wittnesseth in these wordes To proue that the Church of Rome hath the preeminence ouer all Churches Anacleâ—us liueing in the Apostles time and Pope of Rome alleadgeth Matth. 16. vers 18. vppon this rocke will I builde my Church and hee expowndeth it thus super hanc Petram id est super Ecolesiam Romanam vppon this rocke that is vppon the Church of Rome will I builde my Churche This of the testimonie of that Apostolicke Pope Sainct and Martyr And D. Downame graunted that Downame lib. â— Anâ—â—chr pag. 105. S. Augustine that renowned Doctor and Victor Vticensis were of opinion that to adhere to the Church of Rome was a Marke of a true Catholicke in those times And telleth vs further of a Pag. 107. sup Bishop fallen into Heresie and after recanting it in this order Hee sweareth to renownce his former Heresies and to professe and mayntaynâ— that faithe and Religion which the Bishoppe and Church of Rome did professe All which proceedings of so greate consequence and preeminencie testified by enemies themselues could neuer haue beene exercised by that Apostolicke See with so greate approbation of Saincts and Doctors in the primatiue Churche and best estate thereof except supreame authoritie euen in Councells themselues as those Canons testifie and peculiar assistance as S. Leo taught to be freed from error in decrees and consequently not to be condemned by generall Councells whome it was to confirme or reproue had beene graunted by Christ vnto it Then this priuiledge and prerogatiue of that Church Apostolicke being thus both supreame and perpetuall it may not now without Irreligeous Iniustice be denyed vnto it And therefore the Protestant Relator of Religion hauing as before excluded his fellowe Protestants from all hope of comforte and releife by generall Councell addeth immediatly of Catholicks in Relation cap. 47. sup these wordes The other haue the Pope as a Commom Father Aduiser and Conductor to all to reconcile their Iarres to appease their displeasures to decide their difference aboue all things to drawe their Religion by Consent of Councells vnitie And that this Iurisdiction of the See of Rome is not onely ouer the Catholicke and truely beleeuing members of the Romane Church but of right belongeth vnto it ouer all Christians in the worlde is proued before by these Protestants themselues Cap. 3. sup Further I argue thus whatsoeuer Councells define or confirme the doctrine of the Romane Churche and condemne Protestant opinions defended against it are to be saide to proue the Religion of Catholicks But diuers Councells bothe allowed by Protestants for generall and others in the primatiue Churche and confirmed euen in the Iudgment of Protestants are such Therefore the Religion of the Romane Church is proued by them The Maior proposition is euidently true And the Minor thus is proued first concerninge the first generall Councell of Nice D. Couell Couell ag Burg. pag. 87. hath told vs before from S. Hierome that it receaued more bookes for scripture then Protestants allowe M. Middleton saith it Middlet papistan pag. 39. taught the dignitie of Rome ouer the West prouinces at the leaste and this by olde custome How much more ample this custome was is proued before and himself sufficiently insinuateth speaking in this maner Papias Pag. 200. sup liueing in the Apostles time taught Peters primacie and Romish episcopalitie And D. Downame denieth not but the greate generall Down l. 1. Antich pag. 36. Councell of Calcedon attributed to the Pope of Rome to be heade of the Church Which hee saith is the greatest stile D. Feild before hath wittnessed that the third Councell of Carthage confirmed Feild sup in the sixt generall Councell and wherein S. Augustine was present receaueth canonicall scriptures as the Church of Rome now doth D. Willet perceauing Willâ—t Antil pag. 88. 89. the primatiue Councells to be so cleare for the Church of Rome that hee could not glosse them with any resemblance or colour of truthe calleth the auncient confirmed Councells of Neocesarea and Toletane the first and the sixt generall Councell before expressely allowed by D. Sutcliffe the papall Church popery doctrine in popery And of the seuenth generall Councell hee writeth thus The Greekes in a Willet sup pag. 178. Middlet papist pag. 193. generall Councell held at Nice confirmed and allowed the adoration of Images M. Middleton speaketh in this maner peruseing Councells Fathers and stories from the Apostles forâ—ward wee finde the print of the Popes feete So that it is euident by them that from the very begynning the doctrine of the Church of Rome as occasion was is allowed both by Councells Fathers and Histories And this is the reason why in their Article of Religion Artic. 21. before they haue thus defined generall Councells may erre and some times haue erred euen in things pertayninge vnto God Because from time to time as cause was giuen they haue defined the truthe of the doctrine of the Romane Church against them And because I may not in this breuiate repeate many particulars breefely I argue thus Diuers Councells allowed by these Protestants for generall Councells haue confirmed and allowed all or the cheefest doctrines which the Romane Church now teacheath against Protestants and condemned the contrary held by them euen by their owne testimonie Therefore by their owne Iudgment they are for the Romane Church and not for them The consequence is euident and the Antecedent is thus proued by them The Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury writeth thus The Councell of Constance was a generall Councell D. Abbot ag D. Kill pag. 38. 48. 49. 51. Bilson Willet apud Parkes pag. 137. 180. So their Protestant Bishop D. Bilson and affirmeth the same of the Councell of Basile So doth Doctor Willet and graunteth the same of the Councell of Florence And yet it is euident to all the worlde that in these Councells the compleate bodie of their Protestant Religion was condemned in their predecessors Iohn Wickliffe Iohn Husse and Hierome of prage and the quite contrary in all things decreed and concluded for the Churche of Rome For further confirmation whereof the Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury hath these words the Councell
triall of Doctrine is not to be fetched from the opinions and examples of men And agayne It may not seeme straunge if superstition were crept into the Church before Constantines time M. Ormerod scoffeth Ormerod pict pag. 78. at the authoritie and testimonie of S. Anacletus Pope of Rome that liued in the Apostles time and was a glorious Martyr for Christ because hee proueth the supreamacie Middleton papistem pag. 200. of the See of Rome from the graunt of our Sauiour M. Middleton doth the like by Papias lyueing with the Apostles for the same doctrine M. Hull condemneth for like causes allmoste all the blessed Popes Hull Rom. pol. and Martyrs Bishops of Rome from S. Peter the Apostle with in the first foure hundred yeares as shall be cited hereafter D. Couell before hath stiled S. Augustine with Part. 2. cap. Ceremonies Wotton def of perk pag. 8. pag. 17. 9. 88. the greatest commendation of learninge yet M. Wotton writeth Wee neede not feare S. Augustine though against vs. Eusebius is to be reprehended There was want of modestie and truthe also in the treatise of Hierome against Vigilantius The auntieÌ„t Fathers spake more like philosophers then dyuines It is more then I knowe that Gregory is a Sainct The Author of the Epistle to the Philippians attributed to S. Ignatius is an vnfitt Iudge in Wotton sup pag. 118. 224. 422. 440. 462. controuersies of diuinitie Tertullians wittnesse is of small authoritie Damascen is not greately to be respected Oâ—igen is generally condemned Ignatius epistle to the Romanes approued by S. Hierome and Protestants also is a counterfaite Ignatius for Pag. 340 Pag. 387. Pag. 467. Pag. 494. Pag. 495. teaching meritt of good workes Ciprian is toe farre caryed away since hee ascribeth to almes daes the purgeing of sinne Irenaus Iudgement is little to be respected Tertullians testimonie is not worthe answeareinge Tertullian and Origen may be ioyned together Chrisostoms Rhetoricke is better then his Pag. 499. Logicke Hieroms authoritie in case of single life is not murch worth Those Christian Fathers which condemned Pag. 500. Iouinian as S. Augustine Ambrose Hierome c. delt vnchristianly with him The Pag. 519. Pag. 520. authoritie of the auntient writers Athanasius Augustine Hierome concludeinge a worke of perfection from those wordes of Christ goe sell all c. is Pag. 543. not to be admitted The authoritie of Clement of Alexandria and Augustine with the schoole Doctors is inferior to the Iewes Origen and Theodoret whome before hee preferreth before S. Pag. 545. 546. 584. 594. Augustine ouerthrowe their owne distinction Lactantius though hee were an auntient Christian yett in his verses of worshipping the Crosse hee sheweth himself liker a light Poet then a graue writer And as hee hath vsed all the learned Fathers of the primatiue Churche for teacheing the doctrine of the present Church of Rome so he exclameth as barbarously and vndutifully against all Christian Kings of this and other nations for the same cause his wordes be these The Wotton def of perk pag. 53. Ormer pict pag. 44. Kings of England and Scottland c. were Sathanes Souldiers when they were of the Popes Religion M. Ormerod disalloweth S. Leo because hee taught that God assisted the See of Rome in decres For the like reason D. Downame reiected the authoritie of many holy Popes and Martyrs of that Church in her best dayes when it was a Rule to all accordinge to his Maiesties Censure Down lib. 1. Antichr cap. 3. pag. 35. 36. because to vse his wordes Diuers Bishops of Rome before the time of Socrates the Historian contented to haue the primacie ouer all other Churches and that is the cheife scope of many of their epistles decretall Yet this was as our Kinge Conference at Hampt pag. 75. Perk. problem pag. 4. hath told vs when it was a Rule to all and when no man might seperate himself from the doctrine of that Churche M. Perkins hath written thus The Fathers haue spoken many things incommodiously of holy thinges The auncient Fathers did Pag. 93. 94. Pag. 105. Pag. 184. synne in the Inuocation of Saincts yea were guiltie of sacriledge such were Paulinus Fortunatus S. Leo S. Ephrem S. Fulgentius Petrus Damianus Prosper The auncient Fathers sometimes speake inconueniently of the Article of Iustification Some of the auntient Fathers as Tertullian and Cyprian are Montanists or at the leaste doe erre filthely for making Confirmation a Sacrament D. Sutcliffe Sutel subu pag. 5. Pag. 8. Pag. 9. Whoe before made so much shewe of reuerence to the Fathers writeth thus Metaphrastes is a lyeinge pedant writeinge more lyes then leaues Bede reporteth to many thinges by heareasy Ado is a fabulous writer The Historie of Kinge Lucius his conuersion testified by so many authorities Pag. 19. May well be parogoned with the tales of Kinge Arthure Sir Tristram and Lancelot Duâ—acke The Brittaynes haue cause to detest the memorie of Augustine That holy Sainct syrnamed the Apostle of our nation for conuertinge iâ— M. Ormerod is not onely at defiance with Ormer paganop pag. 44. all Fathers for teaching that Christ descended to comforte the Patriarkes and Fathers deade before him but compareth the Article and beleefe of Christs descending into Hell for such purpose to the fable of Hercules fayned to goe thither and fetche from thence Theseus Peâ—ithous and Cerberus the greate dogge of Hell with three heades as the poets Imagine M. Middleton Middleton papistom pag. 40. writeth thus The credit of men is but a sandy foundatiâ—n to builde vpon Meaninge the holy primatiue Fathers of the Church and scoffingly telling that greate Sainct and Pag. 27. Doctor S. Epiphanius that hee loste the booke of Pag. 45. the Apostles Constitutions out of his bosome which hee cited Haeres 45. hee addeth of him thus I must craue leaue to say of Epiphanius many assertions hee counted for Heresies which were not Heresies many assertions hee counted not Heresies which are Heresies And all this because hee condemneth diuers Protestant opinions of Heresie and iustifieth the doctrine of the Church of Rome against them Against S. Middleton sup pag. 49. Dionysius the Areopagite for teaching prayer for the deade hee scoffeth in this maner Denys his aunsweare is shortheeld readie to fall backe When S. Ambrose approueth Christs reall presence in the blessed Sacrament and Transsubstantiation hee writeth of him thus Pag. 61. Pag. 64. hee is gultie of presumptuous and desperate blasphemye At S. Chrisostome hee scoffeth and teacheth him how hee should speake because hee teacheth the doctrine of prayer for the deade And vseth this mocke against him callinge Pag. 66. sup it an apostolicall Tradition well might Chrysostome say the Apostles knew what profite redownded to the deade by prayer for them for himself knew not And thus in generall The Fathers sometime went beyonde the boundes of sobrietie in the doctrine Middlet sup Pag.
A BOOKE INTITVLED THE ENGLISH Protestants Recantation in matters of Religion WHEREIN IS DEMONstratiuely proued by the writings of the principall and best learned English Protestant Bishops and Doctors and Rules of their Religion published allowed or subscribed vnto by them since the comminge of our King IAMES into England That not onely all generall grownds of Diuinitie are against theÌ„ But in euery particular cheife Question betweene Catholicks them they are in errour by their owne Iudgments Diuided accordingly into two parts whereof the first entreateth of those generall Grounds The other of such particular Controuersies Whereby will also manifestely appeare the vanitie of D. MORTON Protest Bishop of Chester his booke called Appeale or Ansvveare to the Catholicke Authour of the booke entituled The Protestants Apologie Psal 126. v. 1. Except our Lord build the howse They labour in vayne that build yt With Licence Anno 1617. TO ALL HIS WELBELOVED CONTRYMEN ENGLISH PROTESTANTS especially persecutors of the Romane catholicke Religion DVely and moste frendly I remember my seruice and best loue vnto you In maladies and diseases desperate vsuall remedies will not â—uer in controuersies those that bee and wrongefully distressed when equall triall will not bee graunted must accept vnequall or none at all Your late commended history of the world recommendeth vnto vs for moste true this sentence nothing can bee a more excellent wittnessinge then where an Enemy doth approue our cause Your D. Morton doth testifie as much and no man will deny it neyther this that followeth that in controuersed questions and their tryall no condemnation is more approued then where men in their owne cause are condemned by their owne Iudgment Thus in our lawes confession of wronges and euill behauiour is conuiction And in matters of Religion a Recantation But without some high commaundinge cause how shall wee finde such enforceinge and forced wittnes Balaam his Asse spake not of himselfe nor Cayphas of himselfe did prophesye And in English Protestant Religion where euery one is made a Iudge ouer all that will gayne say him in their conceipts no man will suppose or once Imagine that any one will bee fownde amonge them to giue sentence against themselues whome they value and esteeme at so high a rate aboue all the world besides especially for the church of Rome which they hate and persecute so much Yett because no other meanes is left I must build vppon this vnleuell groundes and come for Iudgment at such a Consistory onely to take what they shall giue and haue nothinge but what they please to allowe Which I hope will bee that which is expressed in the Title of this booke the same to which they haue all sworne or subscribed ratified or confirmed printed and published for their doctrine and Religion I dare not goe hygher to the dayes of Queene Elizabeth nor bringe the testimonies of Protestants in other contries leaste I receaue for Answeare as others haue done that they stand not vppon what forreyne and former Protestants haue taught which though it bee a vayne and onely cauillons exception to bee at variance or defyance with them in faith of whose church as they name it they would bee members yett to auoide all suspition and colour of euasion though neuer so friuolous Because no protestant may deny but that is their protestant Religion in England vnder our Kinge supreame heade stiled of that Church which hee by his lawes and proceedings with their Consents and Assentinge hath here established and this their Bishops and Doctors by oath or subscription haue synce then confirmed and by their published printed writings defended or mayntayned or by their Religion ought so to doe I will onely insist in this their owne priuiledged and allowed testimonyes and authorities And assume by them to proue not onely that all grownds of Religion in generall doe proue and mayntayne the doctrine of the church of Rome and condemne this protestant Religion But further and demonstratiuely to manifest by true consequence that in euery cheife question betweene this ProtestaÌ„ts and Catholicks they ar in error and wee in truthe Which will be more then euident demoÌ„stration against D. Morton ProtestaÌ„t Bishop of Chester his Appeale or pretended Answeare to the Catholick Author of the Protestants Apologie And therefore being confidently assured that I haue truely and fully performed what I vndertake by their so greate aduantage as to make them both wittnes and Iudge in their owne cause I presume as it is soe to name this Booke The English Protestants Recantation in Matters of Religion I wish it were as easye and no more difficult labour to bridle their wills and Appetites from libertie ouermuch loue of this world and wanton delights thereof as it is to demonstrate to their vnderstandings that they bee in error many men ar able to doe this But God and themselues must reforme the other which of his greate mercy I moste humbly beseech him to grauÌ„t That they which so longe tyme haue onely talked of Reformed Churches and Religions may come to the true and reall practise of reformation both in mynde and maners Which I hope they may the soener attayne vnto if they shall duely consider how fowle and deformed the face of this their new doctrine is euen as it is poynted by their owne colours and pencell That which remayneth as my onely suite to you is this not to bee regardlesse of your best good not willfully to erre from the way of truthe to esteeme of the sacred Religion of the Church of Rome as the greatest enemyes to it and frends to you shall conclude it worthye and lett my self and labours enioy your loue as wee shall deserue it And so I shall euer rest Your most wellwishing Contriman and frend Author of this Booke THE ENGLISH PROTESTANST RECANTATION IN MATTERS OF Religion THE FIRST PART CHAPTER I. PROVEINGE BY ENGLISH Protestant writers since the begynninge of his Maiesties Raigne in England that the true Church of Christ is of Infallible Iudgment The Protestants not so and so not the true Church BECAVSE the cheefest and moste generall controuersie in Religion in this time betweene the Catholicks of England and their Aduersaries their contry persecutors and Innouators is concerninge the true Churche of Christ which where with whome and what it is what bee the properties true notes signes qualities authoritie office and commaunde of it I will first begin with that Question In which I argue thus Whatsoeuer Companie Societie Consistorye Iudgment or Authoritie is in time of difference about Religion moste necessarie to bee knowe followed and obeyed and is the companie of holy ones the howsholde of faithe spouse of Christ the piller and grownde of truthe whose communyon is to bee embraced directions followed and Iudgment to bee rested in must needes bothe bee priuiledged from error and to bee obeyed in Matters of controuersie But the true Church of Christ is such Therefore free from error and to bee obeyed in this busines
means they could to come to vnitie amonge themselues as in the true Church it must bee Crammer and others vsed all deuises and Caluyne wrote vnto him sayeing That might his labours stand the Church insteed ne decem quideÌ„ Maria it would not greeue him to sayle ouer ten seas to such a purpose But this proued a worke of much difficultie if not altogether vnpossible in mans eyes Where they well might haue left out their addition if not and haue playnely sayd without any exception as it hath playnely proued that it was altogether vnpossible in mans eyes especially in the common order of proceedings amonge them which by their owne Relation was this That euery kingedome and free state or principalitie which had abandoned the Religion of Rome should diuulge a breife of that Religion which amonge them was taught and beleeued Wherevppon as this men tell came forthe the seuerall Protestant confessions or Religions of the seuerall Protestant Congregations of Wittemberge Ausburge Bohem Sueue Scotland Heluetia Fraunce Belgia Basile Saxonie England in their 39. Articles c. amonge whome euen those of England it selfe what contradiction there is euen in matters by their owne doctrine fundamentall and essentiall in Religion demonstration is lately made by this same maner and methode by their owne authorities and will be also manifest in this worke And yett The Answ of Orford â—â— the 1000. pet Articul 19. 21. this men which say they ar the learnest ministerye in the worlde and definitiuely condemne all Churches as Ierusalem Alexandria Antioch and Rome and generall Councells themselues of error and may not pleade Ignorance for themselues to excuse them from error Neither can they with the least pretence of truth affirme their acknowledged lyeing and erroneous Churche to be the true Church of God except they will also moste blasphemously teach and mayntayne that prima veritas and eternall truthe is eternall August lib. de mendas falsehood or with the damned Priscillianists that God in his Reuelations to his Church and in the holy scriptures hath deliuered lyes and errours commaundinge vs to beleeue them For they haue before assured vs that the true Church of God warily keepeth all doctrine committed to her chaungeth diminiâ—heth addeth loseth vsurpeth nothinge Therefore this chaungeing diminishinge loseinge and vsurpinge Church of Protestants cannot be this true Church of Christ by their owne doctrine And as materiall essentiall and fundamentall it is in Religion concerninge the true grounde and fowndation of faith and as greate a falsehood to say in the meanest or least point of faith that truth is error God a lyar or his Church a seducer as so to affirme in the greatest and moste concerninge mystery of Religion The true groundes and fowndation of true beleeueinge equally weakened or ouerthrowne in the one as the other And the first proposition which our Catholick Preists and brethren prisoners at Wisbych offered to the vice-chaunceller of Cambridge and that vniuersitie that is Ecclesia protestantium non est vera Christi Ecclesia The Protestant Churche is not the true Church of Christ is here sufficiently questioned and by themsels not longe since more then sufficiently demonstrated to bâ— Pulâ—â—â—a propositio really Demonstrat of Recuse dem 2. 3. 4. c. and sincerely a true proposition and not scoffingly as hee pleaseth to parenthesize And so will be defended or proued by those propownders of it As also their second proposition for of the third in his proper place dâ—tur externus Iudex in rebus fidei there is an externall Iudge in matters of faith will bee maynâ—ayned not onely in such sense as the Vniuersiâ—ie of Cambridge accordinge to the nature of their Church and Religion graunteth that is fallible and deceatfull But as our Brethren accordinge to the nature of true Faithe Religion and the true Church infallible intended it and still offer to make it good for the Romane Church euer synce the time of Christ and so hereafter When our English Protestant vniuersitie for their so lately as they terme Vicech of Camb D. Carey his letter Aug. 7. it reformed Church and light of the Ghospell ar driuen to this Answeare in these words Your second question is affirmatiue auerring an externall Iudge in maâ—ters of faith If you vnderstand a Iugde infallible in his sentence wee deny what you affirme otherwise wee gaynesay not your assertion Which in their owne meaninge aboue remembred is pulchra propositio for their Illuminated Church which will haue no Iudge or Iudgment in matters of faith aboue all things most infallible and certainely true except wee will allowe it for an Article of faithe or an infallible truthe that the Iudge and Iudgment must be fallible and deceatefull And the Religion and faith so adiudged and propownded to bee followed and with diuine faith to be beleeued against the nature thereof to be false erroneoes fallible or deceatefull for such as the Iudge is the Iudgment and difficultie adiudged must needs be And yett further one scruple more there is in this busines which because Cambridge is now busyed enough against pore prisoners without bookes I wish that Oxford could resolue how it can stand with the Integritie and sownd doctrine of a Reformed Church and spoken consequenter like a learned vniuersitie to graunt as they haue done and must doe by their Religion to this day that there be and must be so many Supreame and Independant Iudges and heaps in their Churche as I haue before remembred from themselues Religions Churches seuerall and different Confessions or Professions of Faithe euery one absolute of it self and without dependance of any other and to vse their owne wordes Without any meanes to take vp their controuersies no Prince with any preeminence of Iurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarke to haue a common superintendence or care of their Churches Their lett sup Aug. 7. And yett now the vniuersitie of Cambridge haueing as they write warrant from our Kinge to accept our Preists challendge God graunt they performe their warrant Ioyneth with them in this position datur externus Iudex there â—â— an externall or one externall Iudge in matters of faith If there is but one externall Iudge for Iudex externâ—â— and externall Iudge in the singular number is but one then those Churches or Church of theirs which from their begynning haue had so many supreame Iudges and Iudgments cannot be the true Church of Christ which as now the graunt hath but one And if their former both doctrine and practise of many such Iudges is true then their present doctrine and graunt of onely one is false and inferreth a false Church But I leaue them to our Preists at Wisbych Onely here I will adde because they haue now allowed one externall Iudge in matters of faith in the true Church to whose Iudgment all must be obedient otherwise hee is not to be named a Iudge they must also against their owne limitation allowe that his Iudgment
that they are malitious against it they shall deny it to be the true Church of Christ because in his Iudgment the true and essentiall definition of the true Church euer was and still is vnseperably annexed vnto it Concerning D. Mortons exception and limitation That the error and superstition doe proceede not from knowledge but from Ignorance is fully answeared by his owne fellowes in Religion before graunteinge that the Popes greatest Doctors and Princes of our Religion ar Saints and saued soules And to auoide ignorance or willfull erringe they haue written The Papists cry mamely in all Relation of Relig. cap. 29. places for triall by disputation And that English Protestants persecutions against vs ar thought to equall those of Nero and Dioclesian Which wee would not suffer if wee knew our selues in error willfull both to be afflicted in this and the world to come Besides D. Mortons limitation is ridiculous for error and superstition doe not proceede from knowledge as his fonde distinction surmiseth neither doth the state of knowledge or ignorance â—arye the essentiall necessary and fundamentall definition nature or essence of the Church being one and the same in that as in all other things in all estates and times The particular exceptions which hee taketh against the Innouation of some doctrines which hee contendeth to haue beene in the Romane Church first ar friuolous in this dispute none of them as hee confesseth being of any thinge essentiall and necessarie either to the true Church or saluation of which wee contend in this place Secondly they shall be all confuted in their proper places by these his owne brethren and present frends and contrymen in Religion Thirdly not to suspend my Readers Iudgment so longe Doctor Morton shall answeare and by a generall Morton Appeal lib. 4. cap. 30. pag. 573. 574. reason so much as this place will permitt confute himself in his owne obiection His words be these Protestants in oppugninge doctrines which they call new and not Catholicke ar so farre from sufferinge the limitation of the first 4â—0 yeares that they giue the Romanists the scope of the first 600. yeares S. Gregory liued within the first 600. yeares Hee addeth for himself and other Protestants as the Centuriarists and many more of our conuersion then in this Morton lib. 1. cap. â— pag. 60. supr maner Pagan and Heathnish people by the light of the ghospell throughe the Ministerie of Austen the legate of S. Gregory were brought vnto the folde of Christ And therefore our Authors called iâ— a gratious conuersion And yett that this light Ghospell fold of Christ and gratiuâ— conuersion to which they were conuerted was as they now scoffingly terme our Catholicke Romane Religion Romanisme Papisme Papistry superstitions Ceremonies and the like by which they expresse the full state of our Religion is thus testified by D. Mortons Protestant Authors and wittnesses The wordes of his Centuriarists be these Augustinus Romanus ordinis Centuriator CeÌ„tur 6. An. 1â—82 pag. 747. 748. Benedicti Monachuâ— Ã Gregorio Papa Anno Domini 582. Augustine a Romane a Monke of the order of Benedict was sent from Gregory the Pope in the yeare of our Lord 582. into England to wyn it to the Pope of Rome and to make it subiect to his superstitious Iurisdiction Enterin into the Kentish Isle named Tenet in the yeare of our Lord 596. hee endued Kinge Edelbert and his superstitious Wife in the Romane Religion Yett with that condition that this Popish worship should be free and not compelled After calling a councell hee obtruded the Romish Rites and customes to those Churches that it to say Altares Vestments Images Masses Chalices Crosses Candlesticks Censors Banners sacred vessels holy water thee bookes of the Romane Ceremonies Oblations Processions Pompes Tithes and the like When hee had subiected the brittane Churches to the Antichrist of Rome Romano Antichristo subiecisset hee dyed Thus wee see by D. Morton his greately reuerenced Col. 749. and esteemed frends and fellowes in Religion that the state of the Romane Church in that his allowed time was the same that it is at this present And not onely his Centuriarists but other Protestants by his owne Relation ar wittnesses Morton App. lib. 1. cap. 3. Willet de August mon. Morton supr pag. 67. l. 1. cap. 6. Centuriat centur 7. col 559. in this cause Doctor Humfrey as hee acknowledgeth saith that Gregory brought in on us ceremoniarum a burthen of Ceremonies D. Willet saith hee brought in Popery Luke Osiander and his before cited frends call that Religion ceremonias papisticas papisticall ceremonies And to vse their words Ceremonias papisticas instituturi propagaturi quod Beda vocat aliquos Christo praedicando acquirere to teach and publish papisticall ceremonies which Bede that glorie of our nation calleth to gett some to Christ by preachinge Mr. Bale an other of his frends Ioan. Bal. l. de script Brit. centur 1. in August pag. 34. fol. 3 5. and Authors hath these wordes Augustine was sent Apostle from Gregorie to instruct the English Saxons in the papisticall faith papistica fide initiandos And againe Kinge Ethelbert being conuerted receaued Romanisme with the superstitions adioyned Romanismum cum adiunctis superstitionibus suscepit Augustine brought in Alâ—â—rs Vestments sacred Vessels Relicts and bookes of Câ—â—â—monies all which Gregory had sent vnto him with the blessinge of Peter And that these with the rest of our sacred câ—remonies which they call the body of popery were not then newly Inuented but vsed in the Church of Rome when his maiestie saithe it was a Rule to all K. Speach both in faith and ceremonies shall be testified and proued hereafter in the proper question of such things by D. Morton himself and too many others of his now English Protestant confederates in Religion to be without manifest impudencie to be denyed Therefore by these Protestants The present Romane Church must be allowed to be the true Church of Christ And all their former Inuectiues against it and their departeing from it by their owne Iudgments must be recanted CHAPTER III. WHEREIN IS PROVED BY these Protestants that the Pope of Rome euer was and now lawfully is and ought so to be esteemed the supreame pastor and heade on earth of the whole Church of Christ of his sentence and Authoritie FROM hence it is euidently proued That the Pope of Rome is supreame heade of the true Church of Christ for seeing these Protestants haue tolde vs that true Regiment and discipline is a note of the true Church of Christ and thus it appeareth that the Church of Rome is this true Churehe and hath this note of true Regiment the supreame bindeing and commaundinge Authoritie of the Pope being the cheefest of that gouernment is therein concluded Likewise it so followeth by their note of true doctrine wherein they haue graunted the Church of Rome constantly persisteth in all things necessarie and essentiall such as this
be preserued in Christs Church Which of it concerne all persons and ages in the Churche of Christ as suerly it doth the gouernment must not cease with the Apostles where it is euident that Christ amonge his Apostles instituted in one an Authoritie and Superioritie to commaund and without this one commaundeing superioritie vnion and order could not be preserued that it concerneth all parsons and ages and so must neuer cease but enduer for euer which is all I contende to proue for all Protestants want it and onely the Romane Church enioyeth it And further the same Protestants Doctor proueth this spirituall supreamacie of one Pastor to be perpetuall because now in these times of scisme dissentions there is more neede of that commaundeing superioritie And yett saith hee it was the principall meanes to preuent scismes and dissentions in the Couell sup pag. 207. primatiue Churche when the graces of God were farr mâ—re aboundant and eminent then now they ar nay if the twelue were not like to agree excâ—pt there had bâ—â—ne one châ—ife amongst them for saith S. Hierome amongst the twelue one was therefore chosen that a cheife beinge appoinâ—â—d occasion of dissention might be prâ—uâ—â—â—ed And as in the same place hee thus argueth against the puritans Presbiâ—â—ry how can they thinke that equalitie would keepe all the Pastoâ—s of the world in vnitiâ— So I say to all Protestants they cannot with reason thinke that so many equall Regiments and Rulers in Religion as they make in their distinct Prouinces and Churches if the world were of their Religion could ouer agree to which the lamentable experience of their miserable dissentions and errors allreadie for want of one supreame Commaunder and not otherwise to be redressed as the Protestant Relator hath Relat. sup written before doth testifie Which absurditie and moste vnsufferable inconuenience for want of such commaunding power D. Couell setteth downe in these words seeing Couell sup pag. 107. that all men may easely erre and that no errors ar so daungerous as those which concerne Religion the Church should be in a farre worse case then the meanest Common wealth nay all moste then a denne of Theeues if it were destituâ—e of meanes eyther to conuince Heresies or suppresse them Which cannot be done as they playnely confesse by any power in their Church not by any authoritie as they write but by a Generall Feild Cowncell and a supreame Commaunder to call it which they want and as their Relator telleth vs can neuer haue it Further Relation I argue thus That Churche which as the Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury wittnesseth Abbot ag Hill pag. 189. by tradition of the auncient was the seate of S. Peter the highest and supreame pastor in the Church as D. Feild and D. Couell before haue allowed from S. Hierome and Tertullian and D. Sutcliffe Sutcliff subt pag. 40. thus citeth and writeth Tertullian giueth the keyes onely to Peter sayeing that the Church is built on him And thus hee testifieth for himself Peter preached in no place but hee there ordayned Sup. pag. 3. Bishops and teachers and fownded Churches Which in his booke against D. Kellison hee Sutel against Kell pag. 105. maketh an Argument of supreamacie And which as the same Protestant Archbishopp citeth from S. Leo and Prosper greate Doctors and Saincts was by Religion supreame heade of the worlde This Church I say must needs be Abb. sup pag. 189. 190. cheife and supreame But the Churche of Rome is that Church as is euident and appeareth by these Protestants in those their places cited Therefore it is and so ought by Protestants to be honored and obeyed Both propositions be affirmed by Protestants before and so notheinge in this Argument remayneth to be further proued Next I suppose what D. Feild writeth of the greate and patriarchall Churches of Gracia Armenia Aethiopia Russia neuer subiect or inferior vnto any except to the Church of Rome as Catholicks holde teacheing that to be supreame his words of those Churches be these Wee conclude therefore Feild l. 3. c. 5. pag. 7â— that their scismes and seperations ar sinfull wicked and daungerous and their errors inexcusable And concerninge scisme hee thus defineth it Scisme is a breache of the vnitie of the Church That supposed and that scisme which is Feild sup pag 70. contempt of authoritie is a kinde of disobedience which allwayes is against a Superior and one higher in dignitie and commaunde I argue thus Whatsoeuer Church is that to which and against which all patriarchall Churches excepting one clayminge to be highest ar in scisme and disobedience is supreame and of highest authoritie But this is the Church of Rome Therfore that is supreame The Maior proposition is euident otherwise those Churches against D. Feilds words before could not be scismaticall nor possiblie could be in scisme which hee saith is a breach of the vnitie of the Church and must needs be a contempt of superioritie The Minor is manifestly true for by D. Feild before the other patriarchall sees besides Rome ar in scisme and no other Church but the Romane Church was extant in the worlde besides them at the time of their scisme and longe after neither any other then did or now doth clayme superioritie ouer them Therefore that alone is supreame otherwise those Churches not resisting superioritie cannot be in scisme against D. Feild his graunt before related Feild sup l. 3. c. 5. pag. 70. Further for my next Argument the same D. Feilds hath these words Scisme is a breach of the vnitie of the Church The vnitie of the Churche consisteth in three things first the subiection of people to their lawfull Pastors secondly the connexion and communion which many particular Churches and the Pastors of them haue amonge themselues thirdly in holdinge the same rule of faithe This supposed which as it confirmeth the former argument for all these things required to the vnitie of the Churche so necessarie to be preserued must needs imply a supreame authorite So it giueth matter of an other Argument in this maner Whatsoeuer doctrine and power in the Church is so necessary that without it neyther all nor any of these vnities absolutely needfull can be preserued is to be graunted But one supreame spirituall commaundeing Ruler and the doctrine thereof is such Therefore one supreame gouernor and doctrine according is to be allowed The Maior proposition is euidently Relation of Relig supr cap. 47. true by D. Feild and other Protestants otherwise nothinge can be scisme nothinge can be heresie The Minor proposition is directly proued before by the Protestant Relator twice allreadie cited where hee expressely teacheth that without one such supreame preeminence of Iuridiction aboue the rest which hee saith all Protestants want and Catholicks haue quarrells cannot be pacified vnitie kept controuersies decided and consequently neither Scisme nor Heresie condemned Againe thus I argue whatsoeuer the Church of Rome claymed or
Iude his Epistle Iosephus Pag. 79. 80. Origen Tertullian S. Augustine Beda Procopius Gazaeus and others that Enoch did write diâ—ine things And thus they add it is probable that Noah had seene and might preserue this booke For it is not likely that so exquisite knowledge as these men had was sodenly inuented and fownd out And entreating how the booke of the battailes Pag. 306. cap. 5. §. 7. with others of holy scriptures had beene lost thus they write it seemeth probable that such a booke as this there was and that the same should now be wantinge it is not straunge seeing so many other volumes filled with diuine discourse haue perished in the longe race of time or haue beene destroyed by the ignorant and malitious heathen Magistrate For the bookes of Henoch howsoeuer they haue beene in later ages corrupted and therefore now suspected are remembred in an Epistle of Thaddaeus and cited by Origen and by Tertullian That worke also of the Patriarke Abraham of formation which others bestowe on Rabbi Achiba is no where fownde The bookes remembred by Iosua c. 10. v. 13. and in the second of Samuel c. 1. v. 18. called the booke of Iasher or Iustorum is also loste The booke of Chozai concerninge Manasse remembred in the second of Chron. 33. v. 18. and 19. of this booke also lost Hierome conceyues that the Prophet Isay was the author The same mischaunce came aswell to the story of Salomon written by Ahia Silonites as to the bookes of Nathan the Prophet and to those of Ieedo the Seer remembred in the second of Chron. c. 9. v. 29. with these haue the bookes of Shemaiah and of Iddo remembred in the second of Chron. c. 12. v. 15. perished and that of Iohn the sonne of Hanain cited in the second of Chron. c. 20. v. 34. also that of Salomons which the Hebrues write Hiscirim of 5000 verses of which that part called Canticum Canticorum onely remaineth 1. Kings 4. 32. and with this diuers other of Salomons workes haue perished as his booke of the natures of trees plants beasts fishes c. 1. Kings 4. 33. with the rest remembred by Origen Iosephus Hierome Cedrenus Ciccus Aesculanus Picus Mirandula and others Of Pag. 307. these and other bookes many were consumed with the same fyer wherewith Nebuchadnessar burnt the temple of Hierusalem Hitherto this Protestant discourse of the necessitie of vnwritten traditions not onely before the scriptures were written but after so many bookes of holy scriptures dictated by the holy Ghost hauing vtterly perished Except wee will say which God forbid that God reuealed and published in holy scriptures so many needles and fruitelesse things or els so many necessary and diuine Reuelations haue alltogether beene loste and concealed from those that should beleeue and keepe them CHAPTER VIII WHERE THE HIGHEST supreame Iudiciall definitiue authoritie of generall Councells is both proued to be such by these Protestants To binde all Christians in matters of Religion to approue the doctrine of the Church of Rome and condemne protestancie THE next Question is concerninge generall Councells of what authoritie and commaunde they are in controuersies of Religion and whether the Doctrine of the present Churche of Rome or that of English Protestants is proued and confirmed by them in the sentence of these Protestants themselues Toucheinge their power and commaunding authoritie in these causes I argue thus Whatsoeuer in controuersies of Religion is the highest Iudge the onely remedie to redresse errors hath soueraigne authoritie is aboue others to be appealed vnto hath authoritie to interprete scriptures and to supresse all them that gaynesay such interpretation and subiect euery man disobeyeing suche determinations to excommunication and Censures of like Nature and aboue all other Iudgments is moste to be reuerenced and respected in the opinion of Protestants must also by them be allowed for the supreame highest and laste not to be appealed from Iudgment in this world in such questions But by the testimonie of these Englishe Protestants a generall Councell is of these preeminences in these matters Therefore by them the supreame moste bynding vncontroleable and Iudgment not to be appealed from or denyed by any The Maior proposition is euidently true for that which is supreame and highest cannot be Inferior vnto any neither that which hath commaunde and authoritie ouer all can possibly be vnder the controlement and correction of any none being left to be superior vnto it The Minor is proued by these Bilson Suru pag. 82. Morton part 2. Apol. pag. 340. l. 4. cap. 18. Relat. cap. 47. Protestants following The Protestant Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson hath these words The authoritie of generall Councells is moste holsome in the Church and hee citeth S. Augustine to that purpose D. Morton writeth thus Concilium publicum est summus Iudex a generall Councell is highest Iudge The Protestant Relator of Religion nameth it the onely remedie in such times of controuersies D. Sutcliffe hath Sutcliffe subu pag. 119. Sutcl ag D. Kell pag. 41. 42. 102. these wordes generall Councells haue soueraigne authoritie in externall gouernment And thus againe False it is that wee will admitt no Iudge but scriptures for wee appeale still to a lawfull genenerall Councell Wee holde all the Christian faith explaned in the sixe generall Councells D. Feild hath written thus Bishops assembled in a generall Feild pag. 228. Councell haue authoritie to Interprete scriptures and by their authoritie to suppresse all them that gaynesay such Interpretation and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determinations as they consent vppon to excommunication and censures of like nature And Feild l. 4. cap. 5. pag. 202. as before is cited alloweth this sentence Wee must reuerence and respect the authoritie of all Catholicke Doctors whose doctrine and writings the Church alloweth wee must more regarde the authoritie of Catholicke Bishops more then these the authoritie of the Apostolicke Churches amongst them more especially the Church of Rome of a generall Councell more then all these Now to proue that generall Councells thus allowed by these Protestants for the highest and irreuocable Iudgment cannot by their owne doctrine proue their Religion to be true and so consequently no Inferior authoritie Iustifie their cause I argue in this maner whosoeuer by publicke decree and constitution doe condemne generall Councelle of error and to be a fallible and deceatefull Rule in Matters of Religion and haue no other meanes to finde the truth cannot pretend their Religion to be infallibly true as matters of faith and reuealed of God are by such testimonies But the English Protestants are in this condition concerninge generall Councells Therefore their Religion neither is nor can by their owne proceedings be warranted and proued by them to be true The Maior proposition is euident for no Iudgment erroneous and fallible can possibly make any matter or question free from error and infallible otherwise a thinge might be effected and
venerable Imadges commaunding the making and vse of them In the last Canon they giue diligent and longe directions Can. 102. vnto preists how to behaue themselues in aduising and absoluing penitents in the Sacramen◠of penance Therefore I may conclude that Protestants Religion is vtterly condemned by generall Councells both of the primatiue Church and latter ages And consequently by all other Iudgments in the Church of Christ Because these men haue told vs that all Bishops Doctors and Professors of Religion are bownde to followe the definitions of generall Councells CHAPTER IX WHEREIN IS PROVED BY these Protestants That the authoritie of the primatiue Fathers is to be receaued and followed in matters of Religion And how it wholly proueth the present doctrine of the Church of Rome vtterly condemninge all Protestant Religion THE authoritie and value of the Testimonie of the auncient Fathers and that they taught and approued the doctrine of the present Churche of Rome euen by the graunt of these Protestants is euident in the laste Chapter for being of that opinion in generall Councells and publicke assemblies and sentences to which by their owne consent and subscription they submitted and bownde themselues as to their lawfull and commaunding Rule they could not and might not teache and write otherwise in priuate then in publicke themselues and others had authoritatiuely concluded Yet for a full satisfaction to Protestants in all things I will breefely entreate of these also as they wer◠priuate writers And first of their authoritie I argue thus Whoso euer allowe in shewe and wordes amonge the Ignorant Readers or hearers of their writings and sermons the authoritie of the auncient and primatiue Fathers to procure people to beleeue that their Religion and doctrine agreeth with them as men teaching and writing the truthe and to that purpose doe yeeld vnto them greate respect and reuerence ought truely and syncerely to beleeue and embrace their Religion But these English Protestant writers be such Therefore they ought and are bownde to followe and embrace their doctrine The Maior proposition is euidently true for as dissimulation craftie and double dealeinges to delude and deceaue others in all thinges is a vile and abominable synne against truthe charitie and Iustice so in matters of Religion wherein not the least equiuocation of to saue a mans life may be vsed it must needs be an offence moste damnable and deuelishe The Minor proposition is thus proued by these Protestants Their Protestant Bishop D. Bilson writeth thus The Bilson suru pag. 85. auncient consent of godly Fathers is with greate care to be searched and fallowed of vs cheifely in the Rule of faith And agayne Wee rest vppon the Pag. 82. sup scriptures of God vppon the authoritie of the auncient Doctors and Councells And maketh the same reason with Vincentius Lirinensis in these Pag. 83. sup words Leaste euery man should wrest the scriptures to his fansye and sucke thence not the truthe but the patronage of his error And hee addeth that S. Augustine gaue this respect not onely to generall Councells but to the testimonies of particular Fathers Irenaeus Ciprian Hilarius Ambrose Gregory c. Chrisestome Basil and others D. Sutcliffe writeth thus Wee Sutcl subuers pag. 87. acknowledge the faith of the Fathers of the fourth fift and sixt ages and adioyne our selues to that Church And to credite his cause and make his readers beleeue hee consenteth with those Fathers hee speaketh in this maner The Fathers in all points of faith are for vs Protestants Sutel ag D. Kell pag. 17. and not for the Pope D. Willer knowing of what little credit his bare worde is euen by his Protestants as appeareth hereafter would procure creditt to his protestancye by damnable periury in these wordes I take God to wittnesse before Willet Antilog pag. 263. whome I must render accompt c. That the same faithe and Religion which I defend is taught and confirmed in the more substantiall points by these Historians Councells Fathers that liued within syne or sixe hundred yeares after Christ And further Pag. 264. sup thus It is moste notoriously euident that for the grossest points of Popery as Transsabstantiation sacrifice of Masse worshipping of Imadges Iustification by workes the supreamacie of the Pope prohibition of Mariage and such other they of the Romane Churche haue no shewe at all of any euidence from the Fathers within syue hundred yeares of Christ In all which questions amonge others I am to proue the contrary be these Protestants themselues hereafter in their place And in an other page of the same treatise hee writeth thus The auntient Fathers that liued within sixe hundred yeares of Christ are Willet Antil pag. 271. K. speache in parl An. 1603 conference at Hampt pag. 73. against them His Maiesties speach in parlament it this I will euer yeeld all reuerence to antiquitie And in their conference For my parte I knowe not howe to answeare the obiection of papists when they charge vs with nouelties but to tell them their abuses are new And hee approueth the dayes of Constantine for a Rule in Religion saying Constantine is not to be appeached of superstition but thinges then vsed may still be continued Confer pag. 69. But now it shall appeare that these Protestant Doctors and Ministers are so far from iustifying these their oathes protestations and assertions they be enforced to acknowledge those primatiue Fathers doe allowe teache and approue the doctrine of the present Romane Churche which these men impugne and persecute and for that cause doe not onely deny the authorities of those primatiue learned and holy Fathers but call and censure them with vnciuill barbarous contemptuous and Irreligeous names and phrases For proofe whereof I argue thus Whatsoeuer Sect Religion or People being vrged by such testimonies as Protestants haue giuen for allowance of the Fathers authorities before to followe them accept of their doctrine and stand to their Iudgment in these controuersies of Religion doe vtterly refuse and disallowe it though his Maiestie should approue it but say they are vnfit Iudges in controuersies of diuinitie that their Iudgment is little to be respected their testimonie is not worthe answearing there is no probabilitie in their opiniōs they are not to be beleeued deserue not credit are not credible to be admitted are not fitt Iudges were to partiall are to bee forsaken contemned and dispised such men cannot with any apparance of truthe affirme those primatiue Fathers and Doctors to allowe their Religion and proceedings or defend their cause by their Authorities But these Protestants Doctors and Ministers of England be such Therefore those Fathers are not for their Religion The Maior proposition is to manifestly true and the Minor is proued also by these Protestants themselues in this maner M. Wotton expressely controlleth the Kings sentence before concerninge Wotton def of Perk. pag. 15. 16. the time of Constantine and antiquitie his wordes be these the
133. Pag. 134. of chastitie The Fathers are not fitt Iudges to determine either of Preists marriage or vawes of chastitie And for this doctrine thus hee writeth of S. Ambrose That man hath the Apostaticall dragon the deuill dwelling in hym And so hee will send Midd. pag. 135. Ambrose away with his Quietus est Chrisostome is so hotte in his amplifications that hee forgetts himself Pag. 137. Chrisostome in his vehemencie goeth beyonde Pag. 138. measure in reprehendinge and the Christians of his time in their lightnesse went beyonde measure in vowinge The Canons which Epiphanius citeth against Priests mariadge or marryed men to be made Preists Middleton sup Pag. 141. Pag. 143. Pag. 144. Pag. 156. Pag. 161. are apocryphall Hee was two partiall affected in this matter The auncient Fathers did erre Augustine was a moste subtile disputer yâ—t a quicke wiâ—â— soonest falleth into contradiction Neither is Hilarie howsoeuer the Romish Church hath made him a Sainct ouer hastely to be receaued Irenaeus Hilary and Epiphanius for teaching free will are Pelagian Pag. 179. Pag. 180. Hereticks Wee haue harde before what great respect in wordes the Protestant Bishop of Winchester giueth to the auntient Fathers yet by his owne confession his owne Protestant Brethren charge him with the contrary in these wordes all this Bilsons surâ—â— pag. 84. greate shewâ— of cleauing to the Fathers Iudgment is but coloured in you For in other points againe wee see when they speake not to your liking the case is altered You forsake the auntient and learned Fathers You contemne and despise them You affirme Pag. 85. against all the Fathers You little regarde the sownde doctrine of the Fathers And the same Protestant Pag. 98. Bishop D. Bilson telleth vs that these Protestants which haue thus written of him doe for themselues lesse if it may be regarde those auntient learned Fathers for writing Bilson sup pag. 98. pag. 274. 275. prefa to the Kingâ— sup against them in this kinde hee intituleth one Treatise thus The defenders disdayne of the Father Others wrested and leudely falsyfied And againe They condâ—mne all the Fathers Greeke and Latine as conspiring against the truthe and peruerting the scriptures Therefore I conclude this Argument by these Protestants that the primatiue Fathers be not for their Religion but wholly for the doctrine of the Church of Rome And herevpon though needeles I make a new argument against them by themselues in this maner whosoeuer to make their Readers beleeue that the Fathers be for their cause doe falsefye them corrupt indignely and iniuriously handle them clipp shamfully corrupt them greately abuse vntruely alleadge misquote mayme mistranslate notably corrupt Father falsehoods vppon them peruert their true Arguments disdayne wrest and lewdely falsefy them cannot iustely pretend that they be for their Religion But these English Protestants are by their owne testimonie in this case Therefore they cannot iustely pretend that the Fathers be for their cause The Maior proposition is euidently true And the Minor is sufficiently proued before by D. Bilson and other Protestant writers To which I add affirmed and publickly with priuiledge published against D. Willet whoe before hath so damnably sworne that the Fathers be for the Religion of Protestants Parkâ—â— against Lymbomastix p. 170. pag. 151. def of 3. test sect k. k. k. def of 1. and 2. test p. 2. 5. sect 18. 21. pag. 181. 166. 101. 100. def of 2. place sect 10. 11. 20. def of 3. test sect 7. 12. 15. 16. c. pag. 7. 10. 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. 24. 25. def of 3. test sect 16 pag. 28. def of 1. 2. 3. test M. Parkes in his booke dedicated to the then Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury writeth of him in these wordes Hee condemneth all the auntient Fathers for dreamers Condemneth all the auntient Fathers for dreamers Condemneth all the Fathers Hee condemneth all learned and godly diuines for enemyes of Christs Crosse and blasphemers of his passion Hee instifieth moste wicked Hereticks and condemneth moste holy Fathers Hee falsely translateth corrupteth indignely handleth greately abuseth vntruely alleadgeth misquoteth mayneth mistranslateth much abuseth notably corrupteth c. S. Augustine Origen S. Ambrose S. Chrisostome S. Leo S. Hierome Tertullian S. Bernard c. Fathereth falsehoods vpon them peruerteth their true Arguments corrupteth their wordes Hee teacheath vs further that he belyeth Bellarmine and Catholicke writers deceaueth the world Hee straungely peruerteth belyeth depraueth abuseth much abuseth falsefyeth holy scriptures And the same D. Willet hath writen and published with priuiledg also as fowle dealings or more vile in his Iudgment and the Censure of the Protestant Approuers of his booke of the same English Protestant Author The particulars are toe many grosse and tedious therefore I will onely set downe the Title of his booke to giue some coniecture of the contents in this kinde It is stiled in these wordes Loidoromastix that is a scourge for a Willet in Loâ—doromastix in the Title of it Rayler conteyning a full and sufficient Answeare vnto the vncristian Raylings slaunders vntruthes and other iniurious imputations vented of late by one Richard Parkes Master of Artes against the Author of Lymbomastix wherein three hundred Raylings errors Contradictions falsifications of Fathers corruptions of scripture with other grosse ouersights are obserued out of the saide vncharitable discourse by Andrewe Willet Professor of diuinitie Hither to the onely Title of that Booke published by a Professor of diuinitie as hee termeth himself and priuiledged by publicke allowance of English Protestants Therefore there is no shewe either of probabilitie or possibilitie that the authoritie and testimonies of the holy learned and auntient Fathers of the primatiue Church should be for the Religion of these Protestants when by their owne writings it is directly condeÌ„ned by them whether wee examine their workes and authorities in particular or when they were assembled in generall or others generally coÌ„firmed Councells as demonstration is made by their owne Assertions And by this it is euident by these Protestants themselues that their so termed Religion is Hereticall impious and damnable and for such condemned in their owne Iudgments by all generall and approued Rules and growndes in diuinitie The holy scriptures sacred traditions The Church of God decrees and sentence of the highest and all Apostolicke Sees generall and other approued holy Councells learned Fathers and whatsoeuer can be pretented to be a Iudge in these causes So that not any one true Christian Consistorie or Censure can be truely claymed or cited for iustifying of their proceedings Which is as much as can and more then needeth to be alleadged for condemninge of Heresie or any error in Religion Yet to leaue nothinge omitted to satiffy these Protestants in these questions and recall them to the vnitie of the true Church of Christ or from their sauadge crueltie of persecution I will in the next and second parte of this worke immediately following make like demonstration by
their owne writings and authorities published allowed or receaued amonge them since the beginning of the Raigne of our Soueraigne Kinge Iames in England That in all the cheefest Controuersies of this time in particular The doctrine of the present Church of Rome is onely orthodoxe Catholicke and true And the Contrary of these Protestants erroneous Hereticall and damnable Here endeth the first part of the generall grownds in Religion and ensueth the second of the particular Questions betweene Catholicks and Protestant of England THE SECOND PART OF ENGLISH PROTESTANTS RECANTATION IN MATTERS OF RELIGION CHAPTER I. WHEREIN BY THE PRESENT English Protestant writers is proued against Protestants and their doctrine That the predestination of particular men cannot without particular Reuelation be certaynely knowne much lesse as a matter of faith AS amonge all Questions of Religion the eternall predestination of men to be saued being from eternitie in God can haue none before it in duration So in order lett vs first entreate and begin from thence how fare and certainely it may be knowne of particular mens preordination to glorie in this worlde The holy Councell of Trent aduertising all men with S. Paule to worke their saluation with feare and trembling hath thus defined of Philipp 2. v. 12. Conc. Trid. sess 6. can 12. this secrett So longe as wee lyue in this mortalitie no man ought so much to presume of the hidden misterie of Gods Predestination that he certainely determine himself to be in the number of the predestinate as though it were true that hee which is iustified could either syn no more or if hee shall syn ought to promise to himself a certaine Amendement for except by speciall reuelation it cannot be knowne whom God hath chosen The like doctrine it concludeth against the predestinaries of Can. 15. 16. sup this time in the 15. and 16. canons of the same session The contradictorie of which Catholicke position hath beene so fare and generally defended by Protestants That it is as the See cap. 2. infra principall and cheefest grownde of their Religion That as a man is iustified by faith so this faith is that which assureth him that hee is iust in grace and fauour with God that hee cannot at the leaste finally or totally fall from grace And so consequently that hee knoweth as a matter of faith that hee is both iust and predestinate as will sufficiently appeare in the next chapter by English Protestants synce his maiesties entrance into England the short time which I haue limited to dispute against them by themselues what inconueniences abuses and iniquities this inuention hath brought into the world will in some sort appeare in this chapter by their owne writeings and is so much knowne to all men by lamentable experience that I neede not to repeate it in this place Wherefore I will onely confute this Protestant opinion by the present English Protestant writers and thereby demonstrate the Catholicke doctrine of the cited sacred Councell to be moste true and religious in this point euen by their sentence Then first concerning this proposition I argue thus No doctrine or opinion which is a desperate doctrine contrarie to diuinitie and to the true doctrine of predestination is or can be the true doctrine in this question But the predestinarie Protestant doctrine with assurednes of faith without particular reuelation that a man shall be saued is thus desperate contrarie to diuinitie and to the true doctrine of predestination Therefore it neither is nor can be the true doctrine To deny the Maior or first proposition is blasphemie because God infinite and immutable wisedome cannot possibly commaunde or reueale for truth any such error Therefore the first proposition being euidently true The Minor or second proposition is authoritatyuely with English Protestants concluded against this predestinarie opinion in the publicke Protestant Conference at Hampton Court before his Conference at Hampton court pag. 29. Maiestie and with his allowance in these words Verie manie in these dayes neglecting holines of life presume too much of persisting in grace layeing all their Religion vppon predestination If I shall be saued I shall be saued which is a dâ—sperate doctrine contrarie to good diuinitie and the true doctrine of predestination wherein wee should reason rather asceÌ„dendo then disceÌ„dendo thus I liue in obedience to God in loue my neighbour I followe my vocation c. Therefore I trust that God hath elected and predestinated mee to saluation Hitherto the consent of this English Protestant Conference from whence it is manifest that no certanitie much lesse by faith but onely a morall trust or hope according to the good life of man can be had without reuelation that wee are predestinate Secondely supposing which with the scriptures all Protestants graunt that without grace by Christ and persisting in it no man can be saued I Argue thus No man that is vncertaine whether hee sall fall from grace can be certaine with certanitie of faith that hee is predestinate or shall be saued But without particular Reuelation all men Protestants and others be vncertaine whether they shall fall from grace Therefore no man without particular reuelation is or can be certaine hee is predestinate The Maior proposition is certainely true And his Maiestie in the same cited Protestant Assembly citeing the place of S. Paule before related against the certainerie of predestination concludeth the Minor or second proposition thus Wee may full from grace Conference at Hampton sup pag. 30. and addeth the doctrine of predestination should be handled with greate discretion which hee insinuateth the Protestants haue not done and speaketh plainely of them in these words The Inferring of the necessitie of standing and persisting in grace is a desperate presumption The like is taught more at lardge in other places of that conference where it is also Confer sup pag. 41. 42. 43. acknowledged that present Iustification or iustice is loste by any mortall or greuous syn which to be frequently committed by Protestants will appeare hereafter by their owne testimonies My third Argument is this No doctrine that is pestilent and scandalous to all Churches is or can be true doctrine But this predestinarie doctrine is such Therefore neither is nor can be true The Maior Relation of Religion cap. 45. is euident The Minor is proued by the Protestant Relator of Religion whoe telleth vs that ProtestaÌ„ts in Germanie will rather returne to the Church of Rome then admitt this Protestant point of doctrine which they call predestinarie pestilence and addeth that this with some others Cap. 48. of their opinions hath exceedeingly scandalized all other Churches My fourth Argument is this Nothing that is not reuealed of God can be beleeued with certaintie of faith or with faith But particular mens predestination is not reuealed of God Therefore it cannot be by faith beleeued The first proposition is euidently true because Gods reuelation or to be reuealed of him is the formall
honor And after hee had thus defined Pag. 58. 59. or described them hee doth also diuide them in this order and in these words All Ceremonies may be diuided thus some were for iustifications such as the lawe commaunded whereby the obseruer was made more purified and more holy In place whereof afterward succeeded those that were for ornament and to signifie such vertues as were requisite in those parties that rightly vse them Secondly in Respect of the Author some were ordinances of nature as to looke vp to heauen to lyft vp the hands to howe the knees to knocke the breast and such like when wee pray things vsed in their deuotion by the Heathens themselues others were appointed by God himself some by the Apostles and Bishops that succeeded in their place thirdly some in the parts of the immediate worship as sacrifice prayer adoration and such-like some onely dispose as fasting austere liuing some are onely instruments as Churches Altares chalices and all those which religeously beinge seperated serue onely to make the deuotion more solemne and that solemnitie to be more holy Fourthly of these some respect parsons some times some other concerne places all which concurringe in a dyuine worship are with Ceremonyes by seperation made sacred and so fitter to serue vnto holy vses Lastely some are particular some more generall and vniuersall And hauing thus entreated Couell supr pag. 65. of the originall description and diuision of Ceremonies hee writeth further of their necessitie in this maner There is nothinge can be a surer preseruer of Religion then to keepe it from contempt a thinge not easely done where it is left destitute and depriued of holy Ceremonies For the principall excellency of our Religion being spirituall is not easely obserued of the greatet number which are carnall and therefore wee propownde not naked mysteryes but cloathe them that these offeringe to the sences a certayne Maiestie may be receaued of the minde with a greater Reuerence And therefore some of the Fathers accounting them as the shell to the kernell haue saide that noe Religion either true or false was able to consist without them Hitherto the words of this Protestant Doctor From which I first argue in this maner Whatsoeuer Religion omitteth and neglecteth those things which are so necessarie for the preseruation of true Religion that it cannot consist without them cannot be the true Religion But the English Protestant Religion is such therefore it cannot be true The first proposition is euidently true in the light of nature for any thinge that is necessarie for the preseruation of an other cannot be seperated from it The second proposition is likewise Manifest for the Protestants of England neither esteeme so of Ceremonies as this Doctor telleth vs they ought to be accompted of neither retayne such Ceremonies as his diuisions comprehend as is euident Therefore the Romane Church is true and the Ceremonies thereof holy otherwise there should be no true Church or Ceremonies practized and consequently no true Religion by this Doctor before Againe supposing as before is graunted by these Protestants that either their Church Religion and Ceremonies or the Romane Church Religion and Ceremonies be true I argue thus No Church or Religion which omitteth and denyeth those holy Ceremonies which are parts of the immediate worship and the Instruments thereof can be the true Church and Religion But contrariwise that which embraceth and alloweth them But the Protestant English Church omitteth and denieth ceremonyes parts of the immediate worshippe and the instruments thereof that is sacrifice altares c. which D. Couell telleth vs before to be such and the Romane Church embraceth and alloweth them Therefore the Romane Church and Ceremonyes and not the Protestants are true Bothe the propositions are manifest Therefore the Ceremonyes of the Romane Church be holy reuerent c. otherwise no true Church and Religion could haue them or be such Thirdly I argue thus The true Church hath power to decree Rites or Ceremonies and consequently to bynde others to receaue them and not reiect them But by Part. 1. cap. 2. the graunt of Protestants in the first part the Romane Church was the true Church when it ordayned all ceremonies now vsed in it Therefore they ought to be vsed and bynde all men to receaue them and so are consequently holy decent reuerent c. The Maior proposition consisteth of the Articul Relig. 20. words of their allowed article before cited And the second proposition largely proued by these Protestants as I haue cited And by D. Couells citation it would haue been accompted Couell modest examinat pag. 64. 65. Heresie in the primatiue Church to haue beene stiffely opposite in this kinde Therefore Protestants may not deny them vnder such perill in his Iudgment Further thus I argue Those which be the Ceremonies of that Church which the English Protestants acknowledge for the true Church are to be receaued for holy decent reuerent c But the Ceremonies of the Romane Church that now is be the Ceremonies of the Lord Protestant Archbishops and D. Feilds and others true Church the present Greeke Church Therefore they are to be receaued as holy decent c. The Maior is manifestly true out of their Article before and their writers Articul 20. sup against the puritans The Minor is proued out of the Protestant Relator of Religion who speaking of them of the present Greeke Relation cap. 53. or cap. 54. Church writeth thus With Rome they concurre in the opinion of Transsubstantiation and generally in the seruice and whole bodie of the Masse in praying to Saincts in auricular confession in offering of sacrifice and prayer for the deade and in these without any or with no materiall difference They holde purgatorie also and worshipping of pictures for the forme and ceremonyes of the Masse they much Cap. 55. sup resemble the Latines In crosseings they are verie plentifull Their liturgies be the same that in the old time namely S. Basils S. Chrisostomes and S. Gregoryes Cap. 53. or 54. translated without any bending of them to that chaunge of languadge which their tonge hath suffered In summe all those opinions which grew into the Church before that seperation betweene the Greekes and Latines and all those ceremonies which were common vnto bothe they still retayne as their Crosseings and Tapers with others Thus they haue proued not onely that the Ceremonies of the Romane Church agree with or be the same with those of that Church which they teach to be the true Church but to haue beene vsed in the primatyue Church in the Masses of S. Basile S. Chrisostome and S. Gregorie the greate Pope of Rome the laste that added any thing to that Masse which the Romane Church now vseth and is also vsed amonge the Gretians themselues being translated into Greeke as this Relator wittnesseth And this will moste playnely further appeare in that hee sayth the Greekes agree with the
Latines and Romane Church in all opinions and ceremonies vsed before their seperation For to make manifest the Antiquitie of these holy ceremonies by that his prescribed time of seperation first D. Willet Willet Antil pag. 169. telleth vs it was before the writing of the tripartite historie which hee citeth to that end and was twelue hundreds of yeares synce D. Downame is of the like opinion Downame Booke of Antichrist denowncing it to haue beene in the dayes of the primatiue Churche before they take any exception to the Churche of Rome D. Feild is of the same mynde all of them assigning Feild l. 3. c. 1. pag. 62. Sutcliff subuor pag. 89 epist dedicat Willet Antilog pag. 263. 271. it longe before the 600. yeare which D. Sutcliffe D. Willet and others allowe for an vnspotted time in Religion and ceremonies thereof And thus wee see that those things which to their ignorant Readers and Auditors they will seeme to reprehend themselues in their owne Iudgment and Rule in such causes haue moste highely and vndenieably confirmed and iustified Againe I argue thus from the Relator himselfe Those Ceremonies which breede order in the Church auoyde scandall giue propagation vnto Religion breede vnitie and doe ingender quicken encrease and norish the inwarde Reuerence respect and deuotion which is due vnto soueraigne Maiestie and power and of themselues are decent reuerent and significant are to be allowed retayned and adiudged such as become true Religion But the present Ceremonies of the Romane Church at this day are such Therefore to be allowed retayned and adiudged for decent holy reuerent c. The Maior proposition is without all question true and more then the Protestants require in this case The Minor is Relation of Religion cap. 47. proued by this Relator speaking of the Church of Rome and the ceremonies thereof in these words For order in the worlde for quiet in the Churche for auoyding of scandall for propagatinge and encrease of what greate power that vnitie is which proceeds from authoritie the papacie may teache And againe The outward state and glorie of their seruice doth ingender Relation sup cap. 6. quicken encrease and norish the inwarde reuerence respect and deuotion which is due vnto soueraigne Maiestie and power Their outward gestures are decent Cap. 5. reuerent and significant Then these holy Ceremonies hauing so greate allowance from our Enemyes themselues for their decencie reuerence signification vertue and antiquitie must needs be so embraced preserued and exercised and may not be termed offensyue ceremonyes by that or any Protestant And to exemplify particularly in those ceremonies of the present Church of Rome which be moste disallowed of our English Protestants I argue thus Those ceremonies which were vsed in the primatiue Church of Rome when it was in her best and florishinge state a Rule to all c. ought or may still be practized and obserued But those ceremonies which the present Romane Church now obserueth and are so much disliked by many English Protestants are such Therefore they ought or may still to be vsed and with reuerence practized The Maior proposition is often graunted before Articul of Relig. 20. An. 1562. by these Protestants and thus defined in the 20. Article of their Religion The Church hath power to decree Rites or ceremonies and authoritie in controuersies of faith So that whether these ceremonies belonge to faith or manners being practized or ordayned by our Mother Church of Rome and the gouernors thereof when by all confessions it was holy and the true Church of Christ they are religeously to be embraced and receaued The Minor proposition is thus proued by these men M. Hull in his worke intituled Hull Romes polecies pag 82. 13. 83. 84. 85. 86. Romes polecies thus recompteth them Lent embringe dayes friday altares lynnen Albes corporalls preists Roabes the feaste of S. Peters chaynes the feast of Candlemasse The exaltation of the crosse the Saincts fastinge euens Annoyntinge the sicke annoynting Bishops crossinge with Chrisme in Baptisme Saincts Shrynes Hymnes pax to be caryed about to be kissed the paschall Tapar on Easter Eauen to be hallowed organes and Church instruments singeing of psalmes in order with Antiphones Masse for the deade canonicall howres processions processions to goe rownde about the Churche euery sonday Hitherto the words of this Protestant writer Others of them as D. Morton D. Couell M. Ormerod Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 141. Couell examinat Ormerod pict parit G. 2. 1. 3. 4. Theat of gr Britan. pag. 298. 299. 351. c. doe add holy water holy fonts interrogatories in Baptisme dedication of Churches introyte of Masse wafer cakes to be consecrated in the holy Mysteries Gloria in excelsis the Ringe in Marriadge And others are added by their Theater before and other Protestants And they tell vs further the names of those sacred Popes and Pastors of the Church that vsed approued constituted or confirmed vnto vs these sacred Ceremonies to haue beene in the primatiue Church when it truely was by his Maiesties graunt in her best estate and Mother Church to prescribe vnto other prouinciall Kinges speache in parlam Churches her daughters and as they then were and now should be her obedient children And they name them as followeth Telesphorus Calixtus Stephanus Siluester Sixtus Hull sup pag. 82. 13. 83. 84. 85. 86. Morton Couell Ormer sup Vigilius Honorius Bonifacius Sergius Leo Innocentius Zozimus Vitellian Celestine Pelagius Vrbanus Agapitus Damasus Higinius Pius Celestinus Alexander All which ruled the Church and liued longe before Protestants exception to the Church of Rome K. in parlam Kinge in Confer at Hampton pag. 75. and when it was in her florishing and best estate such as wee may not depart from it by his regall sentence Of what higthest and commaunding authoritie ouer others the Popes of Rome were in those vnspotted dayes of Christianitie hath beene proued before To which I add that D. Couell doth not onely tell vs that Metropolitanes Archbishops Couell modest exam pag. 111. c. came from thence and who to whome should be obedient and Superior and were so vsed before the first generall Councell to testifie that this supreamacie was from Christ immediately and not from Councells But hee further speaketh thus Eyther Euaristus Bishop in the See of Rome in the Couell supr pag. 162 yeare 112 or as some say Dyonisius first assigned the precincts to euery parish and appointed to each Presbiter a certaine compasse whereof himself should take charge alone Hitherto his words Then if this supreame and binding authoritie was in that chaste and florishinge time of true Religion in the Bishop of Rome ouer all Preists Bishops Archbishops Metropolitanes c. to appoint constitute and decree not onely what ceremonies and solemnities should be vsed in all Churches but to rate and proportion out what power priuiledge and iurisdiction all Pastors prelates and spirituall Rulers should enioy
languadges Latine and Greeke with the Hebrue beeing the learned tonges of the world and the Hebrues and Iewes especially in Iury for the moste part remayninge in incredulitie The learned and religeous Conuerters of contries to Christ often not vnderstandinge their barbarous languadges but preaching and persuading by Interpretors yett vseing a publicke Liturgie Masse or church seruice could neither practize it for themselues or frame it for others in their tonges vnknowne Of which D. Sutcliffe giueth vs a fitt domesticall example of this nation English his words of S. Augustine coming hither from S. Gregorie Pope of Rome to conuert vs are these comming alsoe into Kent hee was not Sutcliff Feb. Pag. 19. able to speake one worde of English nor to preache vnlesse it were by his Interpretor And yett hee doth and must needs acknowledge that S. Augustine vsed a publicke Liturgie and seruice which could be none in any equall Iudgment but that which was vsed in Rome hee brought from thence And in no wise English for this hee must either find among the Infidells which could not bee or els to be composed by him or his associats or by them translated which cannot be Imagined they neither as before vnderstanding our languadge to compose it for the Inhabitants or vse it for themselues But this they haue confessed before Againe thus I argue Such church seruice masse or liturgie and in such tonge as was sunge in the citie of Constantinople it self the cheefe citie of Greece and in the time of a generall Councell and yett not in Greeke may with as good reason or more be now vsed in England or any such nation But the latine Masse was then and there sunge Therefore it may bee still vsed in England and other nations The Maior is euident for by no probabilitie the commaunding citie of Greece and of the christian world at that time and a generall Councell there and then assembled would haue allowed a publicke absurditie in ReligioÌ„ hauing so much more shew of authoritie to reprehend and correct euen by Protestants sentence then they haue The Minor is proued by M Hull in these words Latine Masse was sunge at the sixt Synode Hull Romes polecies Pag. 83. at Constantinople in the yeare 666. Thirdly thus I argue all that allowe of the publicke church seruice in a straunge and barbarous tonge to people not vnderstanding ought in al reason rather to allowe it in the latine a learned and common tonge to all learned in this part of the world But the English Protestants allowe of the church seruice in such a barbarous tonge vnknowne Therefore by much more reason they must approue of the publicke seruice in the Latine tonge which allwayes the Preist and cheefest Auditors doe vnderstand The Maior cannot bee denied And the Minor is thus proued from D. Doue a Protestant Doue persuas pag. 24. Bishop in these words In Wales their mother tonge is welche in Cornewall cornish in Ireland Irish yett in all these places the publicke seruice is reade in English And yett hee will neuer proue nor with all his Protestants take such paynes in catechizing that the Ignorant people in those Prouinces those that most neede instruction will euer bee able to vnderstand the English seruice vsed among them or other more shorte and familiar things in our languadge so straunge vnto the. Fourthly supposing as often is proued before the primatiue Church and practize thereof to bee a warrant vnto vs as also that which no Protestant can deny the priuiledges of the Latine Church to bee at the leaste equal with the Greeke and that which all experience and obseruation by lyuing among Greeks and Romanes proueth that the present vulgare Greeke languadge common in Greece is altogether different from that learned tonge of Greece vsed in the primatiue Church with the holy Fathers of that Church in those times as S. Basile S. Chrisostome and such others thus I argue The present Greeke Church allowed for the true Church before by Protestants puâ—lickly vseth the Masses of S. Basile S. Chrisostome c. Which the common Grecians doe not vnderstand Therefore the Contries vnder the Latine Church may vse their auncient Latine Masses and Liturgies The consequence is not to bee denied And the Antecedent is proued from the Protestant Relator who speaking of the custome of the Greeke Church hath these words Their Liturgies bee Relation cap. 53. or 54. the same that in the olde time namely S. Basils S. Chrisostomes and S. Gregories translated without any bending of them to that chaunge of languadge which their tonge hath suffered Lastely in this point supposing the mayne graunde of Protestants against Latine seruice to bee because so the vulgare and ignorant not vnderstanding it remayne without due Instruction as they pretend I argue thus That Church whether it is the Catholicke or the Protestant which by confession and graunte of the opposites and Aduersaries doth much more duely truely and diligently instructe and catechise yong people and the ignorant both by word and writing in their knowne and common languadge then the other doth is not to bee condemned either of negligence or vnskillfulnes in this busines But the present Church of Rome by Protestants testimonie is in this case Therefore not to bee condemned The Maior is euident and the Minor proued from the same Relator of Religion who speaking of Catholick Preists vseth these words They bee of excellencie for pietie and reuerence Relation cap. 27. sup towards God zeale towards the truthe of loue towards this people which euen with teares they can often testifie they match their aduersaries Protestants in the best and in the rest farr exceede them And further to the same of Protestants and honour of our Religion thus hee writeth For bookes of prayer and pietie all Contryes are Cap. 27. sup full of them at this day in their owne languadge Their opposites Protestants by their weakenes and coldnes are enforced to take their bookes to supply theirs And againe in this maner Such is their diligence and Cap. 28. sup dexteritie in instructing that euen the Protestants themselues in some places send their sonnes to their scholes vppon desire to haue them proue excellent in those arts they teache This order hath alsoe their solemne catechizinge in their churches on sondayes and holydayes for all youth that will come or can bee drawne vnto it But this point of their scholes in instructing youth is thought of such moment by men of wisedome and Iudgment beeing taught so by very experience and triall thereof that the planting of a good Colledge of Iesuites in any place is esteemed the onely suer way to replant that Religion and in time to eate out the contrary Hitherto this Protestant Relator to his owne and his Associats shame and confusion in this cause And so I end his Questions hoping that himself with others of his so confounded Religion will vppon this so great satisfaction conforme
Protestants in the last chapter yet to giue it a further though needles confirmation I proue it againe in this order to be a sacrifice externall and publicke That doctrine which that Church which is esteemed by Protestants to be the true Church teacheth is to be allowed But this doctrine of Christs blessed bodie and blood to be ouer publicke sacrifice in the Church is such Therefore it is so to be allowed The first proposition is often graunted before and the second of the Greeke Churches opinion and practice both at this present and from the time of the primatiue dayes of christianitie to be agreeable with the present Romane Church is iustified by the Protestant Relator of Religion in the chapter of holy ceremonies His words to make Relation cap. 53. or c. 54. a new repetition of that Churches doctrine are these With Rome they concurr in the opinion of transsubstantiation and generally in the seruice and whole bodie of the Masse in praying to Saincts in auricular confession in offering of sacrifice and prayer for the deade and in these without any or with no materiall difference They hold purgatorie also and worshipping of pictures For the forme and Cap. 55. ceremonies of the Masse they much resemble the Latines In crosseings they are verie plentifull In summe Relat. of Relig c. 53. or 54 sup all those opinions which grew into the Church before that seperation betweene the Greekes and Latines and all those ceremonies which were common vnto bothe they still retaine Then this doctrine and practice of this publicke sacrifice beinge not onely the vse of these two Churches now but before their seperation which these Protestants in that place haue told vs Cap. 11. sup to haue beerie 1200. yeares agoe must still with reuerence be obserued Which this Protestant Relator shall here confirme againe Relat. sup cap. 53. or 54. speakinge of the present Greeke Church in these words Their liturgies be the same that in the olde time namely S. Basils S. Chrisostomes and S. Gregories which is the same that the Romane Church now vseth translated without any bending them to that chaunge of language which their tonge hath suffered M. Middleton also Middleton papistomast pag. 51. Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 81. telleth vs of the Masses of Basile Chrisostome and Epiphanius and that in them the deade were prayed for D. Morton goeth higher to the dayes of the Apostles citing and allowing not onely the Masses of S. Basile and S. Chrisostome but S. Iames the Apostle himself Wherefore I hope hee and others will be the better pleased to accept the Censure of Hieremias the Constantinopolitane Patriarke taking vppon him to be supreame in that Church vttered in these words The holy Masse is a sacrifice Hierem. in censur instituted of Christ in memorie and commendation of all his mercie and humilitie sustayned for our sakes Saint Iames the Apostle called our Lords Brother first reduced into order that liturgie and Sacrifice being so instructed of Christ to doe it In all parts of that holy sacrifice nothing els is handled but an vniuersall order of things which our Sauiour vndertooke for our Redemption How these primatiue Masses liturgies or formes of the B. sacrifice of Christs bodie and blood in all questions and articles of Religion agree with that which the Romane Church now practizeth from S. Gregorie as these men before allowe and others write from S. Peter the Apostle is apparant in those liturgies and Masses and too longe to be cited in this place And from hence thus I argue againe That doctrine and publicke practice of Sacrifice or other which was instituted by Christ practized by his Apostles and such holy Saincts and Doctors of the Churche as Sainct Basile S. Chrisostome S. Epiphanius and S. Gregorie were may and ought still to be obserued kept and vsed But the doctrine and practice of our publicke Church Sacrifice or Masse is such Therefore it may and ought still to be kept and vsed The first proposition is moste euidently true and cannot be denied by any true Christian and the Minor is before proued in these laste Protestants allowed citations and may further be confirmed by these Protestant writers D. Sutclâ—ffe writeth thus Wee reade in Ignatius this phrase offerre and sacrificium Sutcliff subu pag. 32. immolare to offer and immolate sacrifice and like phrases in Irenaeus Ciprian Tertullian and Martialis who mentioneth also Altares And these words and the things truely signified by them Altare and Sacrifice are in the Greeke and other tongues so vnseperably ioyned and knitt together that D. Morton doth thus acknowledge Wee cannot dislike the sentence Morton App. pag. 162. l. 2. cap. 6. Sect. 1. concerning the mutuall relation and dependance betweene an Altare and sacrifice but graunt that altare doth as naturally and necessarily inferre a Sacrifice as a shryne doth a Saint a father a sonne And againe it is truely said Sacrifice and preisthood are Relatiues Then for altares hee hath hard before that they were in the Apostles time and consequently Masse the Christian sacrifice was then for hee hath told vs they cannot be seperated And his Protestant Bishops in their late Theater will putt him out of all doubt that from the beginnynge of Christianitie euen in England such altares for sacrifice were vsed of the Christians Their words be these It is reported that Theater of greate Brit. pag. 205. n. 12. pag. 204. Patrick the Irish Apostle and canonized Saint longe before the Raigne of Kinge Lucius preached the Ghospel in many places of Wales And also that Ninianus Bernicius of the race of the Brittish princes conuerted the Picts to the Religion of Christ To which effect also the sayings of S. Iohn Chrisostome Bishop of Constantinople enforce And amonge Ilands expressely nameth this our Brittayne Whose Inhabitants saith hee haue also consented to the word which is planted in euery harte in honor whereof they haue erected their temples and Altares Thus in the Brittans tyme that S. Augustine brought in Altares Masse and the ceremonyes thereof is proued by these Protestants in other places And the Theater it self setteth this for one of the Questions of S. Augustine to S. Gregory Guifts Theat pag. 330. offerred on the Altare how to be distributed asked by Augustine of Pope Gregory And thus they write of Kinge Redwald After baptisme returninge to Idolatry Pag. 333. in one and the same temple after the maner of the olde Samaritans hee erected an Altare for the seruice of Christ and an other little Altare for burnt sacrifices which stood vnto the dayes of Beda himself And longe before againe in the Brittans tyme they tell vs of Preists stayne standinge at the Altars And againe in Pag. 291. Pag. 317. Gildas tyme 1200. yeares since oathes taken vppon the Altars made of stome And to secure D. Morton what the sacrifice offered vppon those Altars was they tell vs that in this primatiue tyme in
with precepts as those Hereticks called Apostolici Others esteemed them as things indifferent Others as things forbidden which error is accused by some of our Aduersaries to bee an opinion of our Church There is none of any sound Iudgment in our Church which doth not thinke that willing pouertie humble obedience and true chastitie are things verie commendable and doe bringe with them greate aduantadge to the true perfection of a Christian life By these wee doe more then without these wee should Then these men graunting the doctrine and neuer practizing the vse of it from whence this aduantadge to true perfection is brought are in a practicall error in this point and ought to reforme themselues Yf any man will excuse their omitting of it hee must needs answere that it is either because they will not or are not able to performe it If it onely proceedeth of willfullnes they are generally to bee reproued of willfull obstinacie and sin against the holy ghost vniuersally refusing or resisting such holy motions Inspirations and graces If they say it proceedeth from want of grace spirituall power and assistance to effect it they plainely proue and thereby acknowledge themselues and their Religion to bee gracelesse and not of God not hauing that habilitie and strengthe in any one compaine or societie of men or women amonge them in so longe time to embrace and practice that which so profiteth to perfection And as strongely graunt the Church of Rome and the doctrine thereof for true wherein that grace hath beene giuen to thousands of societies to professe to lyue and die in perpetuall vowed chastitie which hath not beene bestowed one any one fraternitie in their Religion And thereby demonstrate to the world that those Catholicke Preists of our nation whom they persecute as enemies to God are in this greate fauour and grace with him in performing that perfect estate of continencie which our Aduersaries openly confesse they cannot do Which wee are so fart from acknowledging in vs that in greate multitudes wee will solemnely sweare wee truely performe it And no man vnderstandinge the seuere canons of Catholicke Religion for such offendors the greate reuerence wee giue to that moste blessed sacrifice which wee daily offer and what Innocencie of life at the leaste to bee free from all carnall and other mortall sinne wee require vnto it and the ministring of all other Sacraments continually practized by vs can condemne our Order in this matter further in this question I argue thus That which was decreed by the Church within the first 400. yeares of Christ is now to bee obserued But the vowe of continencie was then decreed to bee annexed to holy orders Therefore still so to bee obserued The Maior is allowed before And the Minor proued by M. Perkins in these words Continentiae votum necessarium Perk problem pag. 192. perpetuum c. The vowe of continencie necessarie and perpetuall seemeth first to haue beene decreed in the west Churche about 380. yeares after Christ Traely it was receaued before but by the priuate deuotion of some not by the publicke Iudgment of the Churche If any man saith hee acknowledgeth then onely to bee decreed though vsed before and this in the west Church it sufficeth for this purpose and is obligatorie to Protestants both confessing that a time of truthe the Romane Church then to haue beene the true Church and Mother vnto others and themselues vnder the Iurisdiction of that westerne Romane Church And customes are not vsually decreed but vppon Transgression of them But M. Middleton will tell vs That S. â—piphanius an holy Sainct and blessed Bishop of Greece writeth of such decrees and Canons to the whole Church both to haue beene extant and practized longe before that time and from the beginning of Christianitie as his words traditions without limitation argue Epiphan l. 1. to 2. coÌ„tra her Cathari apud Middleton papistom pag. 139. 140. Thus hee is cited by him writing of the Cathari Hereticks Those Traditions which were deliuered peculiarly for the Cleargie by reason of their supereminencie in celebration of the diuine mysterie These Hereticks would haue all men tyed vnto when they did heare that a Bishop ought to bee vnreproueable the husband of one wife and continent and likewise of Deacons and Preists For in truthe since the comming of Christ the doctrine of the Ghospell doth not admitt into these offices any that haue married a second wife by reason of the excellent dignitie of preisthood And this holy Church doth sincerely obserue yett doth not the Church admitt any into those offices that is the husband but of one wife whose wife is yett lyueing with him in the fellowship of marriadge sed eum qui se ab vna continuit aut in viduiâ—â—te vixit But him onely that either was neuer married or that after the death of his wife lyueth vnmarried the Church receaueth into the office of a Deacon Preist Bishop or Subdeacon which is especially obserued where the Ecclesiastical Canons are sincerely kept But thow wilt say vnto wee that in many places Preists and Deacons do liue in wedlocke But this is not according to the sinceritie of the canons Hitherto and further bee the conuincing words of this holy and learned Father of the Greeke Church whose euidence is so playne for the Catholicke doctrine and practice in this Question and against Protestants that M. Middleton flatly saith Epiphanius was too partially Middleton sup pag. 143. affected in this point And hereuppon thus I argue againe That doctrine which is so plainely and directly held and maintayned by the learned holy fathers of the primatiue Church that the present Protestant Aduersaries otherwise seeming to allow these fathers confesse it to bee their opinion and of the Church in their time is to bee embraced and obserued But this Catholicke doctrine of Preists continencie and vowes of chastitie is such Therefore to bee embraced and obserued The Maior is manifestly true both Catholicks and Protestants in shew at the leaste allowing the primatiue Church and Fathers thereof for Iudges in questions of Religion The Minor is thus proued First M. Middleton acknowledgeth S. Epiphanius S. Hierome S. Chrisostome and S. Ambrose to bee so playne against their Marriadge in the Clergy and their doctrine against vowes of chastitie that hauing written of S. Epiphanius as before hee addeth of S. Hierome thus Hee made vnciwill entroades against Gods holy ordinance Middleton supra pag. 134. Pag. 138. in this point Of S. Chrisostome thus Chrisostome in his vehemencie goeth beyond measure in reprehending and the Christians of his time in their lightnes went beyonde measure in voweing Of S. Ambrose thus Ambrose had the Apostolicall Pag. 134. dragon the deuill dwelling in him And of the holy auncient Fathers in generall in this matter Hee speaketh in these termes Neither Middleton sup pag. 133. is it any thinge to the purpose that the auncient Fathers allowed vowes of chastitie
The Maior or first proposition is euidently true otherwise God hath bownde man to followe and embrace heresie or error of necessitie hee must bee damned without all hope of saluation except heresie false opinions error or infidelitie could bringe to heauen which is against the holy Scriptures true Religion which by no possibilitie can either bee vntrue or vncertayne being reueled by God himselfe and against the light of reason it selfe that men vnder penaltie of damnation should bee tyed to bee obedient to that sentence for obedience whereof they were likewise assured to bee damned which is to accuse God moste mercifull of the greatest Tyranny The Minor or second proposition is proued and the first also in this words of D. Feild D. Feild epist dedicat before hiâ— bookes of the Churche There is no parte of heauenly doctrine more necessarie in this dayes of so many intricate controuersies of Religion then diligently to searche out which amonge all the socities of men in the worlde is that blessed companie of holy ones that housthold of faithe that spouse of Christ and Church of the liueing God which is the piller and grownde of truthe That see they may embrace her communion followe her directions and rest in her Iudgment Hitherto the wordes of this Protestant Doctor by which is euidently concluded the moste certayne truthe of those two Propositions in the Argument before But to auoyde all friuolous obiections and distinctions of these men concerninge the Church generall particular triuÌ„phant militant c. Hee playnely affirmeth that this supreame and infallible iudge is the present militant Church in tymes of controuersies as is demonstrated by this his words Which amonge all the societies of men in the worlde is that blessed companie of holy ones c. Where his words societies of men and in the worlde are manifest testimonie that hee assigneth the present militant Church on earthe and no other to haue this supreame and infallible authoritie and Iudgment to decide controuersies which is alsoe proued by all the rest of the Protestant citations in this chapter hereafter And if their words were not so cleare that they cannot bee wrested otherwise yett the Question it selfe doth make it manifest for all the faithfull people that euer were and be now in many thowsands deceased out of this life cannot now be assembled in a Cowncell to giue sentence And much lesse can they that are not yett borne be so gathered together to pronownce Iudgment and yett all this belonge vnto and ar or shall bee members of the vniuersall Churche further this is conuinced by his cited words That householde of faith which cannot bee possibly ment but onely of the militant Church For in the triumphant Church seeing God in himselfe and truely and perfectly knoweinge without beleefe all sacred misteries faith as the Apostle saith is euacuated in them and turned into knowledge and as for those that ar not yett borne though hereafter in their time ordayned they at truely to beleeue yett now they neither haue faith nor knowledge of any thinge nor any other qualitie or any being at all Thirdly this is euident also in his laste words Embrace her communion followe her directions and rest in her Iudgment Which Protestants will not and cannot meane of the triumphant Churche and by no possibilitie can either bee vnderstoode or verefied of the true beleeuers to come hereafter and not yett produced into this life for this as yett haueing no essence or beeinge for themselues can haue no communion giue no directions nor pronownce Iudgment for vs now extant to embrace and followe And this is inuincibly further proued in the Arguments followeinge Therefore secondely I argue thus That which hath Authoritie in controuersies of Religion to define what is true and good to ouerrule all inferiour and particular Iudgments and bynde all men to beleeue and embrace the definitions thereof must needs bee of Infallible Iudgment and haue the supreame and highest power to commaunde and no man to disobey yt But the true Churche of Christ is such Therefore it hath Infallible Iudgment the highest power on earth and may not bee disobeyed but in all thinges to bee obeyed by all people The maior proposition is euidently true for Authoritie is to bee obeyed by all subiects otherwise it were not authoritie And there were non to commaunde non to bee obedient And definitions in matters of faithe as they must bee moste certayne vndoubted and infallible as euery article of faithe is and of necessitie must needs bee So they ar as firmely to bee beleeued and professed except wee will bee Hereticks and obstinately incur damnation The seconde proposition is thus proued by D. Couell who writeth of the Church in this Couell def of hooke pag. 30. wordes That whiâ—h by her ecclesiasticall authoritie shee shall probably thinke and define to bee true or good must in congruitie of reason ouer rule all other inferiour Iudgments whatsoeuer And to them that out of a singularitie of their owne aske vs why wee thus hange our Iudgments on the Churches sleeue wee answere with Sâ—lonion â—wo ar better then one For euen in matters of lesse moment it was neuer thought safe to neglect the Iudgment of manye and rashlie to followe the fancye and opinion of some fewe Hitherto this Protestant doctor directly proueinge the second proposition for which hee is cited which also is confirmed by the Arguments followinge Thirdly I argue thus whatsoeuer hath authoritie from Christ to approue the scriptures to bee a speciall grownde in the matter of scriptures to publishe and commaund to her children in Matters of Religion is the higest Iudge and of Infallible Iudgment But the true Churche of Christ is such Therefore it is the highest Iudge and infallible in Iudgment The Maior proposition is euidently proued and confessed before and of all men cannot bee excepted against by Protestants commonly attributeing the highest and consequently infallible Iudgement to the scriptures for if they haue their allowance and Infallibilitie soe much as belongeth vnto vs and our knowledge from the authoritie and approbation of the Churche The Church so giueing them allowance and warrant of Infallibilitie must needs bee as much or more Infallible at leaste concerninge vs in which maner wee dispute accordeinge to that Rule of Logicke Propter quod vnumquodque tale illud magis That which is the cause why any thinge is so is rather so it self Which is euident thus in this case For if the scriptures so much as appertayneth to our knowledge haue not approbation and Infallibilitie of truthe but at they at approued and published for such by the Churche This Church which so giueth them such allowance and warrant of Infallibilitie must needs likewise bee infallible which thoughe it needeth not confirmation being iustified by a Maxime in the light of nature may yett for Protestants bee further made manifest by the Protestant Author of the Assertion who to proue the ministery of
England to bee no true ministery Assertion An. Dom. 1604. pag. 277. 218. doth make demonstration of it in this maner The Queenes Royall Maiestie being neuer capable of any part of spirituall power The same could not bee deryued from her parson to the Archbishopps and Bishops Nemo potest plus Iuris in alium transferre quà m ipse habet No parson can transferre more authoritie vnto an other then hee himselfe hath And thus much concerninge Couell cont Burg. pag. 60. WottoÌ„ def of Perk. pag. 442. the first proposition The second is thus proued by D. Couell and D. Whitakers cited and allowed by him in this words The Church of Christ according to her authoritie receaued from him hath warrant to approue the scriptures to acknowledge to receaue to publishe and commaunde vnto her children Mr. Wotton witnesseth the like in this maner The Iugdment of the Churche wee ar so far from discrediting that wee holde it for a speciall grounde in this matter of scriptures Therefore that Iudgment which may in no wayes bee discredited in the greatest matter must needs bee infallible For euery witnes that is fallible may iustely bee discredited in such busines especially My fourth Argument is this whatsoeuer doth support and sustayne the truthe in which and no where els the truthe is preserued which is a diligent and warye keeper of Christs true doctrine committed vnto it chaungeinge nothinge at any time diminisheinge nothinge addinge nothinge not loseing her owne nor vsurpinge things belonginge to others must needs bee of Infallible Iudgment and free from error But the true Church of Christ is suche Therefore it is infallible in Iudgment and free from error The first propositions is euidently true for truthe once committed vnto one and continually so supported sustayned and preserued without chaunge diminution addition losse or vsurpation must of necessitie and Infallibly still bee truthe for neither truthe nor any thinge els so mayntayned and kept vnuiolable can by any possibilitie bee ouerthrowne or altered The seconde proposition is thus proued by this Protestants Mr. Ormerods Ormerod pict pap pap 93. words bee thus The Church is called a piller because it is like vnto a piller For as a piller dothe supporte and vnderproppe a buildinge and maketh it more stable firme and stronge so the Church doth sustayne and supporte the truthe for the truthe is no where preserued but in the Churche D. Sutcliffe Sutcliffe against the 3 conuers pag. 79. approueth this sentence Christs true Church is a diligent and wary keeper of doctrines committed to her and chaungeth nothinge at any time diminisheth nothinge addeth nothinge superfluous looseth not her owne nor vsurpeth things belongeinge to others Therefore Christs true doctrine committed to the true Church and continued and preserued longe time in the Church of Rome Christs true Church as this Protestants graunt in the next chapter must needs still be there and that still the true Church of Christ because that euer preserueth and neuer looseth or chaungeth the truthe nor any part thereof fundamentall or not fundamentall Lastely in this Question I argue thus whatsoeuer Societie or Companie hath authoritie in controuersies of faith and out of it there is no saluation remission of synnes or hope of eternall life must needs bee infallible in Iugdment free from error and onely to be obeyed in such things aboue all other Consistories Conuenticles or priuate parsons But the true Church is such Therefore Infallible in Iudgment free from error and so to be obeyed The first proposition is euidently true otherwise men were some times bownde to bee Hereticks or beleeue errors because authoritie is to bee obeyed and not resisted and Hereticks might be saued or God our moste good and mercifull Lord and Sauiour compelleth and necessitateth man to bee damned which be euident blasphemies The second proposition is proued by these English ProtestaÌ„ts first their booke of Articles to which they all sweare or subscribe Booke of Articl articul 20. reconfirmed by his maiestie Feild pag. 69. Couell def of Hoocker pag. 76. defineth thus The Church hath authoritie in controuersies of faith D. Feild hath this sentence There is no saluation remission of sinnes or hope of eternall life out of the Churche Like is the Iudgment of D. Couell and others And thus much of the Infallible highest Authoritie Iudgment Commaunding and Bindinge power of Christs true Church in generall Which can be but one as that Article of our Creede I beleeue the holy Catholick Church not Churches teacheth vs. And these Protestants in their Articles define it Artic. 19. A congregation of faithfull men c. not congregations And thus comment vppon it â—here Rogers vpp their Articl pag. 86. 88. 89. is but one Church And proue it by these scriptures Rom. 11. 5. 1. Cor. 10. 17. 1. Cor. 12 12. 13. 27. Rom. 12. 4. 5. Gal. 3. 28. and add thus all Gods people agree with vs in this point And cyte for it the Protestant confessions of Heluetia Boheme Gall. Belgia Augâ—st Wittenb Suew And these Protestants before haue so taught vs when they define or descrebe it allwayes in the singular number onely by these their names and distinctions blessed companie of holy ones houshold of faithe spouse of Christ Church of the liueing God piller of truthe c. And in all verbes relatiues or demonstratiues of it so singularly speakeing of it as her communion her directions her Iudgment her Children her Definitions hath warrant to approue to publish to commaunde is a diligent keeper of doctrines committed to her chaungeth nothinge diminisheth nothing c. Which by no possibilitie can bee verified of the Protestants either in England or any other nation none of them in particular or all together haueing clayming or pretending either infallibilitie in Iudgment to warrant any one article in controuersie but voluntarily and generally teachinge that Thesis generalâ—â— est it is a generall Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 315. willet Antil praef engl pag. 71. 120. 150. 4â— pref to the Read in Antil Artiâ—l of Relig. art 21. Relation of the state of Religion cap. 47. c. Comm vppon the Articl of Engl. Protest by Mr Rog. in pref Maxime there is none in their Church whose Iudgment is of Infallible authoritie Neither Prince Parlament Cowncell Ministery or their Church hath any priuilegd from error but they haue and doe erre in things pertayning to God Neither challenge any Iurisdiction generall to bynde others to their Religion but absolutely confessinge The Protestant ar without any meanes to take vp their controuersies No Prince with any preeminence of Iurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarke one or more to haue a common Superintendance or care of their Churches And their publick comment vppon their Articles to which they haue all subscribed assureth vs is to be so for relatinge vnto vs how in the begynninge of their Reuolt from the Church of Rome to persuade the world they laboured by all
argue againe That which was the true Church in the time of Luther within an hundred yeares by the confession of Protestants wherein as in the true Church of Christ Christianitie Baptisme Ordination and power of Ministry were receaued and which brought forth of renowned Kinges and Queenes many Saincts in heauen and many moste learned holy and verâ—uous Doctors and Popes themselues and yett of that faithe which the present Church of Rome now teacheth must needs be the true Churche of Christ But the present Romane Church is such by these Protestants Therefore by them it is the true Churche of Christ The first proposition is euidently true for if as before by these Protestants there is no saluation out of the true Church so many glorious Saincts and holy ones Kinges Queenes Popes and Doctors that could not be excused by ignorance muche lesse made glorious in it could not haue gone to heauen Now supposeinge that euery Church true or false consisteth of the heade and other members of him or them that rule and those that be ruled of the shephards and sheepe Bishops Preists and those vnder their chardge Thus I proue the Minor proposition of the Church of Rome consistinge of the Pope supreame heade Bishops Doctors Preists and other members D. Feild writeth thus of this Church The Romane and Latine Church continued the true Church of God euen till Feild pag. â—2 our time Therefore why was it refused by them or how not since chaunged can it be now otherwise againe hee writeth in these words Wee doubt not but the Churche in Feild pag 182. which the Bishop of Rome exalted himselfe was notwithstanding the true Church of God that it held a saueing profession of the truthe in Christ and by force thereof conuerted many contryes from error to truthe Therefore the doctrine of it beeing truthe it must needs be the true Church Hee further acknowledgeth with D. Feild pag. 72. Couell def of Hook pag. 73. Couell and others that Luther and the rest of his Religion â—ere baptized receaued their christianitie ordination and power of Ministery in that Church as the true visible and apparant Church of Christ Hee telleth vs further that diuers of the Romane Churche euen of the best learned be Feild pag. 182. saued and Sayncts in heauen Then the vnlearned neede not feare to followe their guides goeinge before and theacheing them the way to heauen D. Willet writeth thus it is Willet Antilog pag. 144. not denyed by any Protestant but many renowned Kings and Queenes of the Romane faithe ar Saincts in heauen And speakeing of the Kings Mother that glorie of late Princes Q. Mary of Scotland Hee attributeth vnto her and her Religion that of the Romane Churche such holines and truthe that it preuailed with God not onely for herself but her same also his words be these The childe of Willet Engl pref to the K. before Antil Sutcliffe Ans to the lay pet pag. 34. such prayers and teares cannot possibly fall away D. Sutcliffe acknowledgeth the scholemen so far and famously to be Papists as they terme Catholicks that hee nameth them especially Pope Innocent the thirde Thomas Aquinas Scotus Albert Durand the most renowned in schooles particuler Agents of the Romane Church and foretops of Popery and ioyneth them in that sence with the late Doctors of the Church of Rome defendeing in their writeings the doctrine thereof Hardinge Allen Bellarmine Baronius And yett D. Couell highly speaketh in the Couell def of Hook pag. 24. praise of suche men in this maner Alexander Hales whoe made his summe that excellent worke by commaundement of Pope Innocentius the fourth was called the fowntayne of life because of that lyuely knowledge that flowed from him hee was scholler to Bonauenture a Scholler not inferior to himselfe of whome hee was wont to say that in Bonauenture hee thought Adam sinned not meaninge of that Illumination which was in him and doubtles there was much in him as though hee had not beene darkened by the fall of Adam And therefore the Church called him the Seraphicall Doctor To these Aquinas was not inferior whoe came so neare vnto S. Augustine whome in his booke Couell against Burg. against Burges hee esteemeth the cheifest Doctor that euer was or shall be excepting the Apostles that some thought hee had all his workes by hart and by a common prouerbe it was spoken that the soule of S. Augustine duelt in Aquinas in whome aboue all the rest foure contraryeties were saide to excell aboundance breuitie facilitie securitie in respâ—ct whereof hee gayned the Title to be called Angelicall And to speake somewhat of our Popes themselues so odious with this people The Protestant Relator findeth much vertue deuotion and pietie in them which haue beene euen in these dayes amonge which to particular in the last Pope Clement Relation of Relig. cap. 42. 43. 8. hee writeth of him in this maner Hee did often weepe vppon pietie and godly compassion at his Masses Processions c. his eyes were still watreinge sometimes streameing with teares in so much that for weepeing hee seemed another Heraclitus Relation cap. 29. sup hee was a good Pope a good Prince a good prelate And to exclude Ignorance hee writeth thus the Papists crye maynely in all places for triall by disputation Then if our Popes be so holy so good Popes good men good Princes good Prelates our Kings and Queenes and best Learned Saincts our Pastors Doctors and Teachers that be the Popes Agents and foretops of popery moste excellent for learninge and pietie their writeings renowned their doctrine secure wee may securely followe them and as securely conclude by these Protestants that onely this Church of Rome is the true Church of Christ Lastely in this question I argue thus That which by the confession of Protestants is our mother Churches and from which no Churche ought further to seperate it selfe then it is separated from it self when it was in her best estate for true doctrine and in which shee still continueth in all things necessarie to saluation so vndoubtedly that they confesse it in plaine words to be the familye of Iesus Christ part of the howse of God and visible Church that they which liue and dye in it may be saued must needs be acknowledged by them for the true Church of Christ But the present Romane Church by these Protestants is suche And therefore by them the true Church of God The Maior proposition is euidently true for all children to which all other Churches in respect of Rome or compared ar bownde to obey their Mother especially teacheing all necessarie truth as is here supposed And that which is the Mother Church which is the highest if it be a part of the howse of God and visible Church and the familie of Iesus Christ it must needs be the moste excellent part thereof the heade and cheife and so absolutely the true Church such societies being named by the
Question of the Popes prerogatiue and highest Iuridicall power is for as it followeth in these mens Iudgments if the Pope is not supreame heade and Ruler of the true Church of Christ then that societie that so accepteth him is not the true Church So if it be proued that hee is the highest supreame pastor and vicar of Christ in earthe That Church which so receaueth him and no other is the true Church of Christ For to be supreame gouernor of the true Churche and the true Church so to be gouerned ar mutuall and vnseparable Correlatyues as a Kinge and Kingedome Lord and Seruant and the like And this with that which is entreated in the former chapter might suffice in this controuersie But to giue all contentment I will proue it more in particular and first argue thus That Church which is the Mother and consequently commaundeing Church ouer all Churches her children hath supreame authoritie ouer them otherwise no Mother nor commaunder ouer all But the Church of Rome is this Mother and commaunding Church Therefore it hath supreame authoritie ouer all Therefore the Pope highest Pastor in it is this supreame Ruler and Commaunder Bothe propositions be proued by Protestants before and so nothinge remayneth doubtfull Further I argue in this order No societie or companie wanteing one supreame and cheefe Pastor ouer the rest to suppresse Scismes and auoide factions can be the true Church of God whose communion all men ar bownde to embrace followe her directions and rest in her Iudgment But all Protestant companies societies and Congregations want this cheefe Ruleâ— and commaunder and the Church of Rome onely enioyeth it Therefore no Assembly or societie of Protestants but onely the Church of Rome is the true Church of Christ The Maior though it be euident before yett thus it also is proued and confirmed againe by these Protestants teacheing that from the begynninge this supreamacie was in one D. Feild writeth thus Tertullian saith rightly Feild l. 4. c. 2. pag. 196. and apâ—ly what was hidden and concealed from Peter on whome Christ promised to builde his Churche D. Sutcliffe speaketh more plainely in these Sutcliffe sub pag. 40. words Tertullian giueth the keyes onely to Peter saying that the Church is built vppon him And to proue that this prerogatiue fownded in thiâ— cheife Apostle first Bishop of Rome was to continue to his successors D. Downame saith that in the primatiue Churche Downame l. 1. Antich p. 36. Titles of honor and prâ—eminence were giuen to the Churche of Rome as the cheife or head of the Churches Further D. Feild citeth and approueth this sayinge of S. Hierome Ecclâ—siâ—salâ—â— Hieron contra Lucifer in summi sacâ—rdotis dignitaâ—â— peâ—deâ— cui si non exors quaedam ab omnibu◠〈◊〉 deâ—â—â— poâ—esâ—aâ— tot in ecclesia efficientur scismata quot sacerdotes The health of the Church dependeth on the dignitie of the highest Preist to whome except an extraordinary and eminent power be giuen by all men there will be so many scismes where the wordes Church highest Preist and of all demonstrate that hee speaketh of the whole Churche vniuersall for those words cannot be applyed to any particular Church Againe D. Couell hath these words The twelue were not like to agree except there had beene one cheife amongst them for saith S. Hierome amongst the twelue one was therefore chosen that a cheefe being appointed occasion of dissention might be preuented Which neither S. Hierosme D. Couell or any other Couell ag the plea of the Innoc. pag. 107. Catholicke or Protestant could suspect amonge the Apostles confirmed in grace that any mortall or damnable dissention could fall amonge them Therefore this appointing of one to be cheife amonge the Apostles and him that was to be our first Bishop of Rome S. Peter it must needs be for a continuall Rule and lawe for the Vniuersall Church for euer And yett if wee would be maliciously enuious to the Apostles priuiledge in grace if in that speciall time of the grace and fauour of God The supreamacie of one aboue all was so necessarie that otherwise schismes which be more properly against the whole Church and heade thereof then against any particular Church wantinge such supreame authoritie to be disobeyed could not then he otherwise preuented it must needs be much more necessarie in the continuance and later ages of the Church as shall be proued from these Protestants in the next Argument in the meane time for this poynt D. Couell writeth in this order wee easely see Couell against the plea of the Innocent pag. 106. that equalitte doth breede factions and therefore wisemen to suppresse the seeds of dissentions haue made one aboue the rest And better to cleare this doubt by these Protestants I will heare repeate againe what their Protestant Relator hath written in this matter vtterly disablinge the Protestants Religion and commending Relation of Religion c. 47. the Church of Rome his words be these The Protestants ar seuered bands or rather scattered troupes eache draweing diuers way without any meanes to pacifie their quarrells to take vpp their controuersies No Prince with any preeminence of Iurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarke one or more to haue a Common superintendance or care of their Churches for respondencie and vnitie no ordinary way to assemble a generall Councell of their parte the onely hope remayninge to asswadge their contentions The other haue the Pope as a Common Father Aduiser and conductor to them all to reconcile their â—arâ—â— to appease their displeasures to decide their difference aboue all things to drawe their Religion by consent of councells to vnitie Hitherto this Protestant writer where D. Feild may plainely see that those three things wherein hee teacheath the vnitie of the Church consisteth cannot in the Iudgment of his fellowe Protestants be mayntayned without this one supreame and commaundeing pastor and authoritie in the Churche of Christ My next Argument is thus whatsoeuer Regiment Supremacie and Gouernment of the Church was ordayned by Christ in his time and was as muche or more necessarie to remayne and continue in it for future and succeedeing ages is still to be allowed and continued But the Supreame Regiment and commaundeing Iurisdiction of one highest spirituall Pastor and Gouernor is such Therefore still to be allowed and continued The Maior proposition is euidently true for Christs ordinance aboue all things is to be obserued and notheing so necessarie to his Churche may be without damnation omitted The Minor proposition is thus proued by these wordes of D. Couell that followe Because in the execution of holy things where the parsons Couell against the plea of the Innocent pag. 106. putt in trust are but men discord and disorder vsually doe breake in the wisedome of God thought it necessarie that amongst them whoe for their Ministery were equall an Inequalitie for Order and Superioritie to commaunde should be graunted that by this meanes Order and vnion should both
embrace doctrine for this whole Kingdome were so renowned for constancie pietie and learninge and all this in their confessed puer time of Christianitie I will recite what doctrine in this poynt of Popes supreamacye they approued and receaued there for this and all nations to followe and obserue In the third Canon of this Concil Sardic can 3. their greate Councell it is thus decreed Bishop Osius said if any Bishop shall be iudged in an other cause and hee thinketh hee hath a Good cause that a Councell should be called againe if it please you lett vs honor the memorie of S. Peter the Apostle that they which haue examined the cause may write to Iulius Bishop of Rome and if hee shall adiudge that Iudgment is to be renewed lett it be renewed and lett him appoint Iudges but if hee shall allowe the cause to be such that the things that ar done shall not be examined againe such things as hee shall decree shall be confirmed Doth this please you all The Councell answeareth it pleaseth vs. Therefore all now in England ought to be pleased with the supreamacie of that highest See and appeales vnto it The 4. and next Canon Can. 4. sup immediatly beginneth thus Bishop Gandentius said lett it be added if you please to this sentence full of sanctitie that when any Bishop shall be deposed by the Iudgment of those Bishops that be in the places neare And hee shall demaunde to haue his busines handled in the citie of Rome that after his appeale no Bishop be ordeyned in his chaire that was thought to be deposed except his cause shall be determined in the Iudgment of the Bishop of Rome The 7. Canon declareth it to be in the Can. 7. sup Popes power to send a latere Iudges in such causes into any contry notwitstandeing any sentence of other Bishops And as these primatiue Bishops of this Kingedome with that learned and Holy assemble of that generall Councell receaued and approued that supreame power in the Pope of Rome so hee by these Ptotestants testimonie euer practized it in this nation For besides that which is written before they vse these words Celestine Pope of Rome sent his Archdeacon Palladius into Brittaine to withstand Theater lib. 4. cap. 1. pag. 138. n. 22. the Pelagian Heresie whoe at one time did driue out these enemyes of grace and ordayned a Bishop amonge the Scots whereby that Barbarous nation â—mbrâ—ced Christianitic This they cite and approue from Prosper Aquitan And againe in this maner Pelagius by birth a brittane by profession a Mouke by leude doctrine an Hereticke brought vp in the fame us Lib. 6. cap. 53. pag. 277. n. 10. monasterie of Bangor in Wales his Hereticall assertions were afterwards condemned by Innocentius the first Bishop of Rome Whose doctrines were 1. that man without the grace of God was able to fullfill all the commaundements 2 that man in himself had free will That the grace of God was giuen vnto vs according to out merits 4. That the Iust haue no synne 5. That children ar free from originall synne 6. That Adam should haue died though hee had not synned Concerninge the Towne of Stanford Lib. 1. cap. 31. pag. 59. n. 8. they make this relation from Ihon Hardinge it continued an vniuersitie vnto the comeing of Augustine at which time the Bishops of Rome interdicted it for certayne Heresies sprange vp amonge the Brittaines and Saxons They write futher thus Yorke hath challenged to haue beene sometime Pag. 6. n. 7. Metropolitane ouer all the Bishops in Scotland It was made equall in honor and power with Canterbury by Pope Gregory as Beda relateth and had twelue suffragan Bishopricks that owed obedience And againe Yorke was made a Metropolitane Pag. 78. n. 9. cittie by a pall sent vnto it from Honorius And to shew that the disposeing of these things was in the power of that highest See thus they testifie againe That Lichfeild was made an Lib. 1. cap. 3. pag. 6. n. 8. Archiepiscopall See by Pope Hadrian the first at the suite of Offa the greate Kinge of Mercia is manifested by Mathew of Westminister vnto whose IurisdictioÌ„ were assigned the Bishopricks of Winchester Hereford Leicester Siduacester Helinham and Dunwich Like were the condition of S. Dauids n. 6. 8. Dorchester by Oxford and others And to shew that these primatiue bishops were onely subiect to the Pope and no Prince in their spirituall proceedeings when the wicked Kinge Vortigern had put away his first lawfull Christian wife and maryed Rowena the daughter of Hengist a Pagan Theat l. 7. cap. 12. pag. 313. about the yeare of Christ 470 for declareing the remedie thereof they write in these wordes Which Pagan mariadge proued not onely the bane of the land but so ruinated the Church of Christianitie that a prouinciall Councell of the Brittaines was assembled in Ann. 470. to repaire those things that this mariadge had decayed Then Popes and not Princes by these Parker lib. antiq Britan nic pag. 329 Protestants euer had spirituall supreamacie in this Kingedome For their first Archbishop Parker An. 1536. writeth thus Potentia populis nongentis amplius Annu in Anglia durauit The power of the Pope continued in England aboue nyne hundred yeares And there ought to continue still as I haue made demonstration by these Protestants before to which I add this sentence of Isaac Casanbon ex oâ—e Isaac Casanb respons ad ep Cardinal pâ—r pag. 8. ipso ser Regis taken from the mouth it self of our moste syncere Kinge commaundeing him to committ it te writeinge and is as followeth Rebus ipsis probet Romanus pontifex lett the Pope of Rome proue by things themselues that hee doth not seeke his owne Pag. 67. supr but the glory of God immortall and the peace of people concord and saluation to be a care vnto him then our moste seâ—ene Kinge as hee hath longe since protested in his Admonitory epistle without delay primas illi deferet ipsumque 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 cum Gregorio Nazianzenâ— dicet non inuitus will giue primacie vnto him and not vnwillingely say with Gregorie Nazienzen that hee hath charge ouer the whole Church To which I answeare that I wish and I trust with more deuotion and Religion then hee That not onely Popes but other Princes spirituall and temporall Bishops Preists and all men in authoritie and others did more seeke the glorie of God then their owne and were more carefull of the peoples peace concord and saluation then they now ar or many were euen from the time of Christ Then so many disorders and Impieties should not haue so full dominion where Protestancie Ruleth and the scripture had neuer saide omnes quae sua sunt quaerunt non quâ— Iesu Christi all men or all sortes of men seeke the things that be their owne and not of Iesus Christ And it chargeth vs againe to obey Magistrats and men in
will not haue any such canon or constitution his friuolous distinction in the Nicene Councell then lately ended then they must needs be of more auntient and vncontroleable antiquitie and authoritie by his owne censure and S. Ciprians Councell and decree against this highest power of no validitie if hee could bringe forth any such decree or Councell which hee doth not but onely alledgeth these words of S. Ciprian to Pope Cornelius statutum est omnibus nobis Which hee thus translated S. Ciprian directly ordeyned in a Councell Which Ciprian ep 55. ad Cornel. Morton App. lib. 2. pag. 296. S. Ciprian neither had done nor could doe to bynde S. Cornelius and the Church of Rome with all others For by D. Mortons owne Argument if Pope and S. Cornelius Pope and Saint Stephen with others Bishops of the Mother and commaunding Churche of Rome then by his Maiestie a Rule vnto all might not be a Rule and commaunder ouer the African Church much lesse could the Church of Africke subiect Ruled and dependinge make statutes and decrees to rule and commaund this Rule and commaunder of all And Mr Morton might haue concluded the contrary of his translation for the Church of Rome if hee had considered that S. Ciprians words be not Statutum sit ab omnibus nobis it is decreed of or by vs all â—â—t statutum sit omnibus nobis a decree is made for vs all Because S. Fabian Pope of Rome and predicessor to S. Cornelius had made such a â—abian â—â—ist 3. â—â—m 1. conc decree to bynde all as S. Ciprian spake of Ibi causa agatur vbi crimen admittitur lett the cause be hard there where the fault is committed Yet in the same place Appeales to Rome ar excepted in these words Wee forbid forreyne Iudgments by a generall decree reserued allwayes the Apostolicke authoritie And againe It pleaseth alsoe that if a Bishop accused hath appealed to the See Apostolicke that shall be decreed which the high Bishop of that See giueth sentence of All which as alsoe that whole epistle of S. Ciprian to S. Cornelius then Pope of Rome neuer denyeing appeales thither but excuseinge and defendeing and purgeing himself and other Bishops of Africke accused by Appellants at Rome as they had likewise done priori anno the yeare before sufficiently Ciprian ep 55. supr confirme the vndeniable supreame authoritie of that Church Which S. Ciprian there proueth to be of Infallible Iudgment and vndeceaueable by any Appellants or others in matters of Religion and so to be appealed vnto and supreame His words in the same epistle and concerning the same Appellants ar these Nauigare audent ad Petri cathedram They dare to saile euen to the chayre of Peter and to the principall Church from whence preistly vnitie is risen and cary thither letters from Scismaticks and wicked men nor to thinke that they be Romans whose faith by the Apostle preachinge is praised to whome false beleefe cannot haue accesse Hitherto the very wordes of S. Ciprian in that place and epistle which D. Morton alleadgeth against the Romane supreamacie by which is euident that S. Ciprian neither did nor could by his doctrine deny appeales to that Church which as hee writeth could not be deceaued with Hereticks nor false beleefe could haue accesse vnto it which could be for no other cause but for the Infallible Iudgment thereof and that God did assist it in truthe as other Protestants ar wittnesses before And D. Morton haueing first written Morton app pag. 296. in this order The Title of vniuersall Bishop of the Church hath beene long vsed of the Pope of Rome is as mutch to blame to speake thus S. Ciprian saith none of vs is called the Bishop of Bishops which not S. Ciprian onely but the whole Councell of Carthadge vnder Ciprian did professe furthermore callinge it a terror tyrannicall for any one Bishop to impose vppon his fellowe Bishops a necessitie of obedience For first D. Morton cannot but knowe that this Councell of Africke defendeinge Rebaptization was iustly condemned by the then Popes of Rome and recanted by the African Bishops present at it as is proued before Secondly D. Morton will be a Presbyterian if hee maketh equalitie in the cleargie and denyeth Archbishops primates and Patriarkes as his citation without better glosse implyeth Thirdly hee doth abuse his Readers to wish them to beleeue that S. Ciprian and the African Bishops decreed any thing against the clayme of S. Stephen then Bishop of Rome his predecessors and successors to be Bishop of Bishops Mort. sup pag. 296. in a right sence as hee there citeth from Binias for so against his owne words and citation they had called their owne decree a terror tyrannicall for any one Bishop to impose vppon his fellowe Bishops a necessitie of obedience For D. Morton dareth not to deny but S. Stephen and other Popes of Rome were at the leaste fellowe Bishops with those of Africke But S. Ciprian and those Bishops decreed no such thinge for D. Morton may so in that Councell that the sentence of S. Ciprian is the laste of all and after all the other Bishops and onely to condemne Baptisme by Hereticks after recanted and condemned And the words which hee cited against Bishop of Bishops ar in S. Ciprians Carthagin concil sub Cyprian to 1. concil init exhortation not decree to the Bishops of Africke begynninge Audistis Collegae Dilectissimi you haue hard ô moste beloued fellowes nothing concerning except affirminge or confirminge that clayme and Title in Pope Stephen an holy Saint and Martyr but alltogether about rebaptization and are these Superest vt de hacre quid singuli sentiamus proferamus Yt remayneth that euery of vs speaketh of this matter what hee thinketh Iudginge no man or remoueing any man from the Right of communion if hee shall thinke otherwise for none of vs there assembled constituted himself Bishop of Bishops Which seing S. Stephen an holy Pope and Martyr with others of that sacred See then a Rule to all by Protestants and D. Morton did by them also it must be yeelded to be iust and lawfull Neither must D. Morton be so hyperpapall as to deny the Councell of Sardyce where appeales to Rome ar warranted to be generall for his Masters the makers of their greate Theater haue so allowed and receaued it before Nor slander S. Cyprian by perswadeing the worlde that hee dyed out of the vnitie of the Church of Rome for recallinge of which his greate rashnes I referre him to better Authorities of S. Augustine S. Ierome Augustin ep 48. Hieron dialog cont Luciferian and the like And this sufficeth of this question By which the vniuersitie of Cambridg may easely resolue themselues by their owne Doctors of the second proposition offered vnto them by the Preists of Wisbich There is an externall Iudge in matters of faith whoe it is and of what authoritie his definitiue sentence is in such things
CHAPTER IIII. WHEREIN BY THESE Protestants is proued that all Bookes of scripture receaued for such by the Church of Rome ar canonicall That the Protestants also haue either no scriptures at all or vncertaine and doubtfull and no true Canon of them THvs haueinge demonstratiuely proued by these our English Protestants that the true Church of Christ is of that byndeinge and commaunding authoritie power and priuiledge That There is no saluation remission of synnes or Hope of eternall life out of the Churche it is the blessed companie of holy ones household of faith spouse of Christ piller and grawnd of truthe her communion is to be embraced directions followed Iudgment rested in to ouerrule all Inferior Iudgment whatsoeuer c. And that bothe the present Churche of Rome is this so excellent and enfraunchised societie and the Pope and Bishop thereof supreame heade and spirituall gouernor ouer the whole Christian worlde all other Questions against these ProtestaÌ„ts ar all readie determined by them for the Church and Pope of Rome So that nothing is further needfull to be disputed in this busines eyther of scriptures or any other matter in controuersy yet for particular satisfaction to all in all particulars I will proceede and first for the Bookes of holy scriptures and argue these first in generall Whatsoeuer Bookes ar proposed vnto vs by the true Church of Christ and the supreame Gouernor thereof to be canonicall scripture ar for such to be embraced and reuerenced But all Bookes allowed for canonicall by the Church of Rome at this present be such Therefore so to be embraced and reuerenced The Maior proposition is euident before by the priuiledges of the true Church recited in generall and not onely so but in particular also concerninge the authoritie of the true Church in approueinge and proposeinge holy scriptures for Mr. Wotton hath thus testified for Wotton â—ef of Perk pag. 442. Protestants The Iugdment of the Church wee are so far from discreditinge that wee Holde it for a very speciall grownde in this matter of scriptures And D. Couell hath these conuinceing Couell against Burg. pag. 60. words The Church of Christ accordeing to her authoritie receaued from him hath warrant to approue the scriptures to acknowledge to receaue to publish and commaunde vnto her children And to make it euident that this priuiledge by these Protestants cannot be attributed or ascribed to any other Church then the Church of Rome they haue before confessed that neuer any other Church but that onely exceptinge the Church of Constantinople pretended Title much lesse enioyed it to this supreamacie to propownde scriptures or make decrees and lawes to the whole Church and the children thereof and the clayme thereof in that behalf was but pretended and vsurped and now is by their desolation left desolate And to make this the next argument and others more cleare I will in this place recite the words of D. Feild wherein to omitt the Holy scriptures because they in no place tell vs which be or be not canonicall scriptures But wee ar as these Protestants before haue told vs and shall more particularely testifie Hereafter in this chapter to receaue them from the Church of Christ That wee may knowe whome moste to trust and obey in this and such matters of controuersy hee writeth thus haueing spoken of the Church before Hither Feild pag. 202. l. 4. c. 5. wee may referre those different degrees of obedience which wee must yeeld to them that commaunde and teache vs in the Church of God excellently described and sett downe by Waldensis Wee Waldens doct Fidei l. 2. art 2. 3. p. 27. must saith hee reuerence and respect the authoritie of all Catholicke Doctors whose doctrynes and writeings the Church alloweth wee must more regard the authoritie of Catholicke Bishops more then these the authoritie of the Apostolicke Churches amongst them more especially the Church of Rome of a generall Councell more then all these Hitherto D. Feilds allowance that this sentence is excellent Therefore soeinge Protestants neuer had nor can haue as they haue testified before any generall Councell and deny all Councells to be generall which Catholikes alledge for this Question of the Bookes of scriptures and others also They ar bownde to be obedient to that sentence next vnto them which D. Feild here hath told vs to be the Iudgment of the Church of Rome or Pope of Rome which hath defined and allowed the catholicke doctrine for the Bookes of canonicall scripture as alsoe other questions as all Protestants acknowledge Otherwise they ar in one of highest degrees of disobedience that is in this world as his words before are wittnesse For hee alloweth it for an excellent direction for this present time and state of controuersies And yett if he would contend which hee neither doth nor can being allowed for this present time to drawe it to the dayes of Thomas Waldensis disputing against Witcliffe their Brother in Religion as they write and resisting the Popes authoritie it maketh nothing for his excuse for if Witcliffe as they say was of their Religion the case betweene Waldensis and him was the same which now is with my self and other Catholicks writinge against these Protestants Brethren and Associates in Religion vnto Wickliffe and his Adherents This supposed I make the like Argument againe in this maner Whatsoeuer bookes ar proposed for canonicall scripture by the true Church ar the highest Rule that can be had or fownde in time of controueâ—sie ar to be receaued for holy scriptures But all those Bookes which the present Romane Church alloweth ar so proposed Therefore to be receaued for holy scriptures The Maior proposition is euidently true otherwise all Christians in such times must needs be perplexed in the cheifest matter of Religion by Protestants the scriptures themselues which cannot be for so contradictories might bothe be true The highest Rule ought to be followed the highest Rule ought not to be followed Which be contradictorie It ought to be followed because it is our Rule and the best that can be assigned it ought not to be followed because it is false and deceatefull And no man can be so bownde vnder damnation to followe a false Rule And concerninge the authoritie of the Church in this case it is further confirmed by these Protestant sentences D. Couells words be Couell def of Hook pag. 31. these The Church of Rome teacheth no badd opinion to affirme that the scriptures are holy and diuine in themselues but so esteemed by vs for the authoritie of the Churche And againe That the scriptures ar true wee haue it from the Church And further thus The Church hath fowre Couell sup pag. 32. 33. singular offices towards the scripture First to be of them as it were a faithefull Register Secondly to discerne and Iudge betweene false and adulterate and that which is true and perfect The third to publish and diuulge to proclayme as a cryer the true edict
argue thus all those Bookes which Protestants in their authorised communion booke and bookes of Honolyes allowed by their conuocation and parlament and our Kinge doe prescribe to be vsed as canonicall scriptures as well as others and are so cited and practized ought to be receaued and allowed for canonicall But those Bookes which they denie and Catholicks receaue for canonicall are suche Therefore they ought to admitt them into the Canon of Holy scriptures The Maior proposition is euident for bookes Rules lawes and directions proposed by true authoritie as those be supposed of Protestants ar to be obeyed and followed The Minor proposition is likewise l. 1. homel l. 2. homel Artic. 25. Communion B. Tabl. direct of seruice Suruey of the Booke of comm prayer pag. 27. 28. 29. 30. 31. Petit of 22. Preach exc ag hom and except 4. ag comm Booke Articl of Relig. Articul 6. moste certaine for their bookes of Homelyes receaued in the 25. Article of their Religion doe ordinarily so cite them and their Communion booke so termeth and vseth them too often to be alleadged in this place Whereuppon to be breife the Protestant Author of the Suruey of the booke of Common prayer affirmeth playnelye and often vrdgeth it That the Protestants of England must approue with the Romane Churche these bookes for canonicall So likewise doe the 22. preachers of London in their petition If any man shall Answeare that the Articles of their Religion exclude them from the canon of the scripture and so they cannot be saide to receaue them I answeare him againe that this is so farre from freeinge them in this point that it both excludeth them defineing and embraceing so contradictorie doctrines in so important busines from all hope of truthe and further proueth that these men buildeing all vppon scriptures haue either no scriptures at all or els such doubtfull vncertaine and vnresolued scriptures that true Religion which must be moste assured and infallible cannot be grownded or mayntayned by them For proofe whereof I will first recite their subscribed Article in this question and then frame my Argument Their Article is sett downe in these Articl of Rel. articul 6. definitiue wordes Holy scripture conteineth all thinges necessarie to saluation so that whatsoeuer is not read therein nor may be proued thereby is not to be required of any man that it should be beleeued as an Article of the faithe or be thought requisite or necessarie to saluation In the name of holy scripture wee doe vnderstand those canonicall Bookes of the old and new testament of whose authoritie was neuer any doubt in the Churche Of the first part of this Article I am to entreate in my chapter of Traditions hereafter Of the later part I will speake in this place onely first admonisheing my Readers in what ample maner D. Feild and others of that Religion Feild l. 3. c. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. pag. 60. 62. 63. 64. c. Feild l. 3. Titul c. 1. 2. take this worde the Churche for breuiate whereof the Titles of the first and seconde chapters of his third booke be these Of the diuision of the Christian worlde into the Greeke Latine Armenian Aethiopian and Nestorian Churches c. 1. of the harshe and vnaduised Censure of the Romanists condemninge all these Churches as Scismaticall and Hereticall cap. 2. Now this supposed I argue thus No bookes whose authoritie haue at any time beene doubted of in the Churche are by this Protestant Article to be allowed for Canonicall scriptures But all bookes that either Protestants or Catholicks receaue for canonicall haue in the Iudgment of these Protestants beene doubted of in the Church Therefore by these Protestants there be no canonicall scriptures at all The Maior proposition is euidently proued by their recited article defineing those bookes canonicall of whose authoritie was neuer any doubt in the Churche The Minor proposition is directly proued by D. Willet who writeth Willet Synop quaest 1. of scripture pag. 2. 3. edit An. 1594. and after published againe directly and at large how euery booke both of the old and new testament haue not onely beene doubted of but also denyed in this their Churche I suppose the laste edition of his booke was since the commeing in of his Maiestie my prescribed time otherwise it is so directly there proued by him that no Protestant can deny it And to shew the pitifull case of this their Protestant Article and Religion their Protestant Bishop of Wincester D. Bilson suru pag. 664. Bilson within my limitation writeth thus The scriptures themselues were not fully receaued in all places no not in Eusebius time Hee saith the Epistle of Iames of Iude the second of Peter the seconde and third of Iohn ar contradicted The Epistle to the Hebrues was contradicted the Churches of Syria did not receaue the seconde epistle of Peter nor the seconde and third of Iohn nor the Epistle of Iude nor the Apocalipse the like might be saide for the Churches of Arabia Will you hence conclude that these partes of scripture were not Apostolicke or that wee neede not receaue them now because they were formely doubted of Therefore the Protestants of England haue no certayne and vndoubted scripture if they will stand to their suscribed Articles and their owne subscription Which this Protestant Bishop before seeing the absurditie thereof hath refused to doe Therefore they may not as they doe denie those other bookes which Catholicks admitt vppon so greate and highest warrants before in Protestants Iudgment because in former tymes they haue beene doubted of as those laste recited by the testimonie of their Bishop and all the rest as D. Willet hath wittnessed haue beene To these I might add more Arguments from these Protestants true Greeke Churche and the generall Councell of Florence both allowed by some of these writers and yet alloweing and warranting for canonicall all bookes receaued by Catholicks And other Arguments by them but these ar sufficient for this matter at this time And as demonstration is made that these Protestants either haue no true scriptures at all or not the true Canon of holy scriptures So it is as euident that their Religion cannot be proued true and infallible as true Religion is by euidences that in their proceedings ar doubtfull fallible or no holy canonicall scriptures but by them excluded from that number and sacred Canon CHAPTER V. OF THE INTEGRITIE AND excellencie of the Latine vulgare translation of scriptures vsed in the Romane Church and Protestants false corrupt and erroneous Translations in their owne Iudgment and Censure NOW lett vs entreate of the vulgare Latine translation of holy scriptures handled in the next Chapter for whose allowance by these Protestants I argue by them in this maner That Latine Translation of scriptures which is to be vsed in scholes and pulpits and for antiquitie to be preferred before all others was vsed in the Church thirteene hundred yeares agoe by S. Augustine preferred
before all others and both by the Iudgment of S. Isidore and these Protestants themselues is thought the best translation and to be preferred before all others is accordingely to be allowed esteemed and preferred But the vulgare Latine translation by these Protestants is such Therefore euen by them so to be allowed and preferred The Maior proposition is manifestly true for that which is so auncient in the true Latine Church and to be preferred before all others must needs be allowed and preferred The Minor proposition is proued as followeth first their Bishopp D Doue writeth in these words of this vulgare Latine translation Wee Protestants graunt it Doue persuas pag. 16. fitt that for vniformitie in quotations of places in schooles and pulpiâ—s one Latine text should be vsed and wee can be contented for the antiquitie thereof to preferre the olde vulgar translation before all other Latine bookes so much wee doe yeeld to the Councell of Trent D. Couell entreateinge of translations of scripture against Burges the Puritan Couell against Burges pag. 94. answeareth in these words Wee are readie to confesse whether you vnderstand the Italian or that which goeth vnder the name of S. Hierome that they were vsed aâ—nâ—iently in the Church a thowsand and three hundred yeares agoe one of them by S. Augustine preferred before all the rest the other highly commended by Beza and that of the vulgar though with Pagnin and Driedo wee thinke it not S. Hieromes but mixt yet wee can be content to say as Isodore doth of it Interpretatio eius this translation is to be preferred before others Hitherto this Protestant Doctor who with their Bishop Doue before haue graunted as much as the Councell of Trent a Rule to Catholicks decreed in this matter yf wee may giue creditt Feild pag. 258. to D. Feild citeing and alloweing Andradius writeing in this maner The Church doth approue translations not pronownceing that there is no thing amisse in them but that the diuine mysteries are therein truely deliuered and nothinge that concerneth faith Religion or good maners ignorantly or fraudulently suppressed The Councell of Trent defined that the vulgare Latine translation shall be holden authenticall but hee saith Andreas Vega whoe was present at the Councell reported that the Fathers of the Councell meant not to determine that it is not defectiue or faultie but that it is not erroneous and faultie in such sorte as that any hurtfull or pernitious opinion in matters of faith or manners may necessarily be deduced from it And that this was the meaneninge of the Cowncell hee saith Andreas Vega alleadged the authoritie of the Cardinall of Sainct Crosse afterwards Pope whoe deliuered so much vnto him Hitherto D. Feilds allowance which alloweth that his Protestants before haue testified as much for the vulgare Latine translation as the Councell of Trent defined and consequently as much as Catholicks doe hold in this question Further I argue thus That Translation of scripture which was vsed 1300 yeares age when the Church was in her best and florishing estate and from which no hurtfull or pernitious opinion can be deduced is to be allowed and preferred But the vulgare Latine is such Therefore to be thus allowed and preferred The Maior proposition is euidently true and before graunted and Couell def of Hook pag. 29. D. Couell saith God hath so linked his worde and his Churche that neyther can stande where bothe are not The Minor is also before proued by these Doctors their Bishop Doue D. Couell and Feild so nothing remayneth to be proued in this argument And so it is proued and allowed by these Protestants that of all translations it is to be preferred that it contayneth nothing against Faith Religion or good maners nothing that is erroneous which suffiseth for my purpose Now lett vs see how these Protestants can iustifie their Translations from such defects for they haue graunted before that this vulgare Latine vsed and allowed in the Romane Churche is to be preferred before all their Protestant Translations Latine English Welch Dutch French or whatsoeuer named translations I argue thus No translation whatsoeuer is authenticall But euery English and other Protestant translation is a translation Therefore none of them is authenticall The Maior proposition consisteth of the verie wordes of D. Couell Couell ag Burg. pag. 94. Doue persuas pag. 16. which be these No translation whatsoâ—uer is authenticall scripture D. Doue writeth thus all Traâ—slations haue many faultes The Minor is manifestly true for a translation cannot truly be saide to be no translation for so contradictories might be true which is vnpossible Further thus I argue No translation which is not well translated but requireth new translations is to be allowed But all English translations ar such Therefore not to be allowed The Maior is euidently true for things not well done ar ill done because Non datur actus indifferens in indiuiduo No act singularized is indifferent Therefore being ill is not to be allowed The Minor is proued by the Kings speach in the Conference at Confer pag. 46. Hampton where hee saith that hee could neuer yet see a Bible well translated into English but the worste of all hee thought the Geneua to be And therefore a new translation should be made for our English nation And so D. Couell also Couell ag Burg. wisheth Againe thus I argue No translation that is peruerred in many hundreds of places is inferior to the Turkes Alcaron and denyeth Christianitie is to be allowed But the English Protestant Common translation it such Therefore not to be allowed The Maior proposition is more then euidently true The Minor is thus proued by the Protestant Author of the booke called Aduertisement Aduertism in an 1604. his words be these The Bible is peruerted in eight hundred and eight and fourtie places in the olde testament The English Protestant Bible is inferior to the â—urkes Alcaron And so Christianitie is denied in England by publicke authoritie My next Argument is this No translation that hath many omissions many additions which sometimes peruerteth the sence is sencelesse and sometymes contrary is a true translation or to be allowed But the English receaued Protestant translation is suche therefore not true nor to be allowed The Maior is palpably true The Minor is proued by Mr. Burges in these wordes Burg. apol pag. 93. in D. Couells Answ of the approued English translation it is a Translation which hath many omissions many additions which sometimes obscureth sometimes peruerteth the sence beinge sometimes sencelesse sometimes contrary Thus I argue againe No translation that is corrupt hath grosse corruptions by leaueing out of wordes by putting to of wordes and which peruerteth the meaneinge of the holy Ghost is a true or sufferable translation But the vsuall English translation by Protestants is such therefore not true nor sufferable The Maior proposition is apparantly true And the Minor is thus proued by these Protestants The 22
and the Hebrue Greeke Apostles also as Athenians But now sixe yeares triall hath taught that it is one thinge to dreame of tongues an other to knowe them And now they are said to be at a stand And would willingly giue ouer but that the Kings authoritie requireth an end But that your most learned Maiestie may se what is to be hoped for from them least the Churches be forced to buy bables for the word of God I will in few words deleuer that it may appeace that such pore students are not to be suffered to lest with the Kinge and the flocke Hitherto this greate linguists oration his exceptions are to tedious to be recited Onely because these men haue so magnified the Hebrue text of the old testament in respect of the septuaginta and vulgare Latine now this greate searcher of Hebrue monuments can heare onely for hee neuer se either of them of two perfect Hebrue copies of the old testament in all the world and both they be in the Iewes custodye one in Hierusalem and the other at Nehardegh in Mosopotamia Veteris testamenti duo exemplaria tam accurata atque mens humana prouidere potuit seruantur à Iudaeis Hierosolymis alterum alterum Nehardeghae in Mesopotamia Then if wee haue no better comfort from these Hebritians for a true Hebrue text then that England neither hath had or can procure any and none is to be had but from our Enemyes the Iewes and yet if they could procure a true copie which they haue not done there is not any one in England by their owne Iudgments able truely to translate it and these last translators were weary of their entreprise and would haue giuen it ouer after sixe yeares experience of their disabilitie but that the Kings Maiesties pleasure was to haue one end or other wee may not easely admitt such translations for holy scriptures nor Religion deduced from them for a true Religion And â—his the rather because since the birth of this new translation it is condemned by their owne approued writeings I will omitt others and onely cite one place out of their late commended history of the world in these Histor of the world l. 1. cap. ◠§. 14. Chron 2. cap. 21. v. 16. The Protest new transl sup words The ill translation of Ethiopia for Chus is amonge other places made moste apparant in the second of Chronicles in these words So the Lord styrred vpp against Iehoram the spiritt of the Philistines and the Arabians which confine the Ethiopians The Geneua translation hath it which were besides the Ethiopians the new English readeth thus more ouer the lord stirred vpp against Iohoram the spiritt of the Philistines and of the Arabians that were neare the Ethiopians Now how farre it is betweene the Philistines and the Negros or Ethiopians euery man that looketh in a mapp may Iudge For hee Philistines and Arabians doe mixt and ioyne with the land of the Chusites and are distant from Ethiopia about two and thirtie or three and thirtie degrees and therefore not their next neighbours but all Egipt and the deserts of Sur and Pharan are betweene them And to aggrauate this matter the more these new Protestant translators takeing vppon them to translate the old testament out of the Hebrue and new out of the Greeke and onely alloweing those texts in words are so farre from performing it in deeds that in the old testament they haue forsaken the Hebrue text diuers thowsands of times as may be proued by their owne merginall obseruations of that matter my leasure was not to recompt them all but in Genesis the first booke they haue thus behaued themselues aboue two hundred tymes and after the same rate in all the rest As in the 5. 20. and 25. chapter of the booke of Iudges fourtye times Fyfteene tymes in Sam. l. 1. cap. 18. in the 2. Booke of Samuel in cap. 22. thirteene times in cap. 1. 7. 18 20. in fower chapters aboue fyfty times in the third booke of Kings And so they deale with the Greeke in the new testament and in the old testament where the scripture is written in the Chaldy and Hebrue mixed as in the time of captiuitie so they vse the Chaldy tongue as in Esra cap. 4. they forsake the Hebrue thrise and the Chaldye eleuen or twelue times in the second chapter of Daniel they leaue it thirteene times in the third chapter twelue times in the 5. chapter neyne times c. and in these and other places where they refuse the originall tonge as for example the Hebrue they doe it not many times to preferre either the vulgare Latine Septuaginâ—a or Syriacke but their owne conceipt and Imagination Yet in places where they forsake the originall to preferre any of the other it is euidently against their owne profession and Religion and in places of their former translations censured by Mr. Gregory Martyne or other English Catholicks they often times neither regard their owne or ours but giue vs new scriptures and reuelations of their owne thoughe not many times in greate matters and so in this multiplication and chaunge of scriptures they haue also multiplied and chaunged Religion deduced from them and for that one Article of their auntient creed I beleeue in the holy ghost may now say by such proceedings wee beleeue in the foure and fourtie English Protestant holy Ghosts For whosoeuer reiect all texts of scripture as their owne marginall obseruations tell vs they doe though as before often not in great things yet sometimes otherwise and deny vnwritten traditions of this kinde must needs be in such estate CHAPTER VI. PROVETH BY THESE PROtestants that the true and Iuridicall exposition of scriptures is against them and for the doctrine of the Romane Church AFTER these I am to entreate of the true lawfull and Iuridicall Exposition of holy scriptures And that it belongeth to the Church of Rome haueing both the true scriptures the true translation of them and it self haueing power and authoritie being the true Church of Christ to propose it to all Christians and not to these Protestants for no companie or congregation of men wanting and denying diuers bookes of scriptures in which diuers Articles of Religion as prayer to Angels their patronadge prayer and sacrifice for the Deade meritt of good workes c. are directly proued not so apparently taught in other scriptures besides followeing and alloweing erroneous and corrupt translations can haue the true and Iuridicall exposition of scriptures especially hauing no Iurisdiction ouer others by their owne graunt But the English Protestants are in this state Therefore they haue not this true lawfull and Iuridicall exposition of scriptures Bothe propositions are graunted before and so nothinge remaineth to be proued in this argument Further I argue thus No priuate Interpretation of scriptures by conference of places and such Rules as Protestants assigne for Interpreteinge scripture is bindeing or iuridicall But all Protestant Expositions in respect of true byndeing
things appertayning vnto God but their priuate Interpretations and deductions suteing with their humour is the worde of God aswell as if it were sett downe in scripture worde for worde as M. Wotton hath told vs before My next Argument is this No people or professors of Religion freely acknowledgeing that all Rules in their Religion though their best approued and moste publicke to be moste reuerenced and respected be subiect to error may erre and haue erred in things belongeing to God are erroneous vnconstant variable often recant and correct their publicke proceedeings in such things can be saide to haue the true and Iuridicall exposition of scriptures otherwise there is a lawfull and true Iurisdiction and power to bynde them of their Religion both to errors in things against God and misbeleefe in this life and to eternall damnation the peneltie thereof in the next But the Protestants of England are in this Condition by their owne Iudgment Therefore they haue not the true and Iuridicall exposition and Interpretation of scriptures The Maior is proued before and directly by M. Wottons Wotton sup words all matters concluded logically out of the scriptures are the worde of God as well as if they were expressely sett downe in it word for word But the worde of God neither is nor can be erroneous to be recanted amended corrected c. therefore the Maior is moste certainely true by these men And the Minor also is proued by them in this order They haue graunted before that a general Councell is the highest Iudge And yet in publicke and subscribed Articles haue these Articl of Relig. art â—1 wordes Generall Councells may erre and sometime haue erred euen in things pertayning vnto God Wherefore thinges ordeyned by them as necessarie to saluation haue neither strength nor authoritie vnlesse it may be declared that they be taken out of holy scripture Therefore no certayne Interpretation with them for they haue assured vs Feild pag. 228. that a generall Councell may expownd scripture and by authoritie suppresse all them that gaynesay such Interpretations to excommunication and Censures of like nature and is by them the highest Iudge hath no more priuiledge but to erre and be examined and controlled by inferior for none is higher as before Reprouers and particular Interpreters amonge them whome as they haue also taught before wee are not bounde to beleeue but be so vile corrupt and erroneous as they haue confessed there is none amonge them to decide things in controuersie or define a truthe And least any man should absurdely say that their Conuocation Parlament or any other pretendeing superiotie among them in these matters should be better able to Iudge and interprett scriptures then Bishops assembled in a generall Councell Willet Antilog first D. Willet writeth thus In England the temporall prince is gouernour Ruler cheefe ouerseer praef Engl. pag. 71. 120. 150. 43. Pref. 19 the Reader in Antill and steward of the Church to whose Iudgment and redresse the reformation of Religion belongeth Yet hee addeth Neither hee nor their Church hath any priuiledge from error but playnely protesteth they must take out a new lesson and learne to reforme their erroneous conceites Which their Bishop D. Doue alloweth to haue beene their state from the first originall of their Doue persuas pag. 31. protestancie in England his wordes and graunt are these When the Massâ— was first putt downe Kinge Henry had his English liturgie and that was iudged absolute without exception but when Kinge Edwarde came to the Crowne that was condemned and an other in the place which Peter Martir and Bucer did approue as very consonant to Gods worde When Q. Elizâ—â—eth began heâ— Raigne the former was Iudged to be full of Imperfections and a new was deuised and allowed by the consent of the Cleargie but about the middle of her Raigne wee were weary of that booke and greate meanes haue beene wrought to abandon that and establishe an other wee doe at the leaste at euery chaunge of prince chaunge our booke of Common prayers wee be so wanton that wee know not what wee woulde haue Hitherto this Protestant Bishop of the publicke proceedings in their Religion And hee freely confesseth errors in all these their states and chaunges And this their flitting from error to error findeinge no Center or hope of settleing in truth hath so perplexed euen their best learned that a late Protestant writer amonge them hath these wordes The late Archbishoppe of Canterbury D. Whiteguist as is credibly reported Suruey of the B. of com prayer pag. 159. 160. tooke such a greife when their communion booke was to be amended discouered by these or like wordes good Lord when shall wee knowâ— what to trust vnto that hee presently fell into his palssy was curryed from the Court and dyed shortely after And D. Morton D. Couell M. Wotton Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 315. Couell ag Burg. pag. 75. 43. Wotton def pag. 42. c. M. Middleton and now the vniuersitie of Cambridge teacheth it is a generall position there is none in their Church whose Iudgment is Infallible Then I conclude their Interpretations be false and their Religion erroneous vncertayne and false for they haue graunted before that the worde of God which is Infallible moste certayne and vndoubted is the grounde of true Religion and euery article in it so fownded But these their highest and best sentences in Religion being so erroneous to be corrected fallible deceatfull c. must needs be the worde of lyeinge and deceatefull men or the wicked spiritt and in no wayes the holy Infallible and moste certayne word of God who can neither be deceaued in himself or deceaue others Further thus I argue whosoeuer teach not onely that the whole Christian world may erre in things pertayning to God but are bownde to receaue such errors vnder payne of excommunication and like Censures and yet teach this from scriptures cannot be said to haue their true Interpretation But the Protestants of England by their owne testimonie are in this state Therefore haue not this true Iuridicall Interpretation of scriptures The Maior proposition is euidently true for so God that is iust should ordayne Iurisdiction and power to bynde men to things vniust such as errors in Religion be and these Protestants though to excuse or alleuiate their owne Heresies they affirme that any particular Church or a generall Councell may erre in this maner yet they deny it of the whole Churche in which cause D. Feild pag. 203. l. 4. c. 5. Feild writeth in these wordes wee thinke that particular men and Churches may erre damnably because notwithstanding others may worship God aright but that the whole Churche at one time cannot so erre for that the Churche should cease vtterly for a time and so not be Catholicke being not at all times and Christ should sometimes be without a Church Thus it is euident by these Protestants for the wordes wee
thinke be plurall That whosoeuer by their Interpretations should allowe such absurdities cannot haue the true interpretation of scriptures Now the Minor is easely proued by him also for all men are bownde to obey lawfull superioritie and authoritie such as hee saith a generall Councell hath ouer all Christians in these cases his wordes before cited be these They that haue supreame Feild l. 4. â— 16. pag. 228. power that is the Bishops assembled in a generall Councell may interpret the scripture and by their authoritie suppresse all them that shall gaynesay such Interpretations and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determination as they consent vppon to excommunication and Censures of like nature Wherefore seing generall Councells haue this bindeing and commaundeing power ouer all men by these Protestants and yet by their Article before may erre and haue Art 21. sup erred euen in things pertayning vnto God the whole Christian worlde with so many absurdities may be in this damnable error the Church might cease not be Catholicke Christ Feild pag. 203. should be without a Church which D. Feild before esteemeth greate absurdities Againe thus I argue They which straungely peruert bely depraue abuse and falsefye holy scriptures cannot be thought to be true interpreters of them But M. Parkes so testifieth of our Parkes ag lymbom def of the 1. 2. 3. testim English Protestants Therefore they cannot be thought to be true Interpreters of them Notheing remaineth in this Argument to be proued Further I argue thus No Interpreters or expositors of scripture whose Interpretations be partiall vntrue seditious sauoureing of Treason poysen the Ghospell c. are to be Iudged true and Iuridicall But the English Protestants hy their owne testimonyes be such Therefore not to be iudged true and iuridicall interpreters The Maior is true and euident And the Minor thus proued first by the Protestant Confer at Hampt pag. 47. conference in these wordes The notes annexed to the Geneua translation some are very partiall vntrue seditious and sauoureing toâ— much of daungerous and trayterous conceits Yet these were allowed and published as publicke and approued interpretations An other Protestant writeth in this maner The Bishops Aduerment An. 1604. notes betray our Lord and Redeemer and befoole the rocke of saluation they are the verie poyson to all the Ghospell M. Ormerod writeth thus of his fellowe Ormer pict purit q. 4. Protestants They fill the margents of their bookes full of places of scripture in a wronge sense that by this meanes they might more easely deceaue the simple people They neither care for Maior Minor nor Conclusion so they may say some thinge They point their margents with shamefull abuseing of scripture To these I might add more arguments as that by their owne testimonies they are Hereticks Scismaticks haue no ttue Churche no true Religion and the like as amonge other reasons from themselues why Catholiks may not communicate with them in spirituall and religeous affayres is proued in a late treatise against them I will therefore passe them ouer as allready proued CHAPTER VII WHEREIN BY THESE PROtestants is proued that vnwritten traditions lawfully proued are the word of God equally as the holy scriptures That many such are and all confirme the doctrine of the Church of Rome and condemne Protestants Religion AFTER this entreateinge of holy scriptures the written worde of God lett vs come to that parte of his sacred worde delyuered by traditions and vnwritten verities preserued and proposed to faithfull Christians by the holy spouse and Church of Christ whose Iudgment Rule and direction is so dignified aboue all Inferiour Iudgments by these Protestants before Concerninge the validitie and authoritie of truely proued traditions I argue thus All Rules Groundes and Authorities in matters of Religion that are equall with holy scriptures in the Iudgment of Protestants the highest Rule in such causes are â—eghely to be reuerenced and obeyed of all Christians But the holy traditions and vnwritten verities deliuered by Christ and Apostles being lawfully proued are of this nature Therefore to be reuerenced embraced and receaued The Maior proposition is euidently true for where there is absolute equalitie there is not inferioritie but paritie as is manifest in all equalities The Minor is thus proued in this maner first M. Wotton speakeing of such hath these Wotton def of Perk. pag. 405. pag. 436. supr words out of all question wee are bounde to keepe them and telleth vs that M. Perkins was of the same opinion D. Feild speaketh thus concerninge traditions In this question by tradition wee vnderstand such partes of Christian doctrine or Feild pag. 238. l. 4. cap. 20. discipline as were not written by them by whomâ— they were first deliuered For thus our Aduersaries vnderstand traditions which they diuide into diuers kindes First in respect of the authors so makeing them of three sortes Diuine Apostolicall and Ecclesiasticall Secondly in respect of the matter they concerne in which respect they make them to be of two sortes for either they concerne matters of faiâ—he or matters of manners and these later againe either temporall or perpetuall vniuersall or particular All these in their seuerall kindes they make equall with the words precepts and doctrines of Christ the Apostles and pastors of the Church left vnto vs in writeinge Neither is there any reason why they should not so doe if they could proue any such vnwritten verities For it is not the writeing that giueth things their authoritie but the worthe and credit of him that deliuereth them though by worde and lyuely voyce onely Thus the authoritie of Traditions is iustified by Protestants to be equall with the scriptures if they can be proued Now because Protestants mayntayneinge the sufficiencie of scripture for matters of faith deny traditions of that nature I argue in this maner All Articles and matters of faith are in Protestants Iudgment proued and deliuered to vs by tradition Therefore some articles and matters of faith are in their Iudgment or so must be graunted to be deliuered by tradition The consequence is euident for euery generall proposition includeth the particular The Antecedent is thus proued by them Whosoeuer doe graunte those things which by them conteyne all matters and Articles of faith to be delyuered by tradition must needs allowe traditions in matters of faith But these Protestants doe so Therefore they must allowe such traditions The Maior is euident for whatsoeuer conteineth all excludeth none and so comprehending all comprehendeth also some and the parts of that all The Minor is likewise proued in this maner supposeing the Common opinion of these Protestants set downe in the sixt Article of their Religion Articl of Relig. art 6. in these wordes Holy scripture conteyneth all things necessarie to saluation so that whatsoeuer iâ— not reade thâ—rein nor may be proued thereby is not to be required of any man that it should be beleeued as an Article of the
faithe or be thought requisite or necessarie to saluation Now to proue my second proposition D. Feild will testifie that both these scriptures and the right order of deductions from them in matters of faith are deliuered vnto vs by tradition onely his â—ordes be these Much contention there hath Feild l. 4. pag. 238. cap. 20. beene about traditions some vrgeing the necessitie of them and other reiecting them For the cleareing whereof wee must obserue that wee reiect not all for first wee receaue the number and names of the Authors of bookes diuine and canonicall as deliuered by tradition This tradition wee admitt The number Authors and integritie of the partes of these bâ—okeâ— wee receaue as deliuered by tradition Thus much for the scriptures that their number Authors partes and euery chapter verse and sentence is by tradition Then their pretended deductions from thence must needs be such for in euery theologicall Syllogisme they must needs take eyther the one or both propositions from this graunted tradition and their conclusion must much rather be tradition as also the maner of deduceing for they graunt they are not expressely in scripture and to decide this D. Feild wittnesseth againe in this order The Feild sup pag. 238. 239. seconde kinde of tradition which wee admitt is that summarie comprehension of the cheife heades of Christian doctrine conteyned in the Creede of the Apostles which was deliuered to the Churche as a Rule of her faith The orderly connexion and distinct explication as these principall Articles gathered into an Epitome iâ— rightly named a tradition And howsoeuer hee will contend that the Articles are in scripture or may thence be deduced in which his fellowes in Religion hereafter will giue him deniall for Christs discendeing into Hell communion of Saincts and others yet hee must needs graunt that the Creede of the Apostles being composed by them and deliuered to the Church as a Rule of her faith before the scriptures of the new testament wherein hee will say it is conteyned were written is absolutely a Tradition And yet hee maketh it so absolute a thinge that to vse his wordes in it are implyed and whence are inferred all conclusions Theologicall But that the Feild supr cap. 20. true explication also of scripture is a tradition hee wittnesseth in these wordes The third is that forme of Christian doctrine and explication Feild pag. 239. of the seuerall partes thereof which the first Christians receauinge of the same Aposiles that deliuered to them the scriptures commended to posterities This may right be named a tradition for that wee neede a playne and distinct explication of many things which are somewhat obsâ—urely conteyned in the scripture Therefore seing these deductions from scripture are not without tradition and thinges obscurely conteyned may not be receaued as articles of Religion by them without a playne and distinct explication by tradition and the playne things of scripture by them before as also that epitome of our faith the Apostles Creede are traditions it is manifestly proued that all Articles and matters of faith are by tradition by these their writeings Further I argue thus whatsoeuer doctrine is of that necessitie that the denyall Feild 〈…〉 obstinately is Heresie must needs be a matter of faith and necessarie to saluation But by these Protestants there is such doctrine onely by tradition Therefore some matters of faith and necessarie to saluation are beleeued onely by tradition The Maior proposition is euidently true yet further confirmed by these Protestants D. Couells Couell exam pag 202. Ormer dial 2. wordes be these Hereticks are neyther simple Infidells nor Idolaters but obstinately erringe in some fundamentall poynt M. Ormerod writeth thus hee is an Hereticke which so swarueth from the wholesome doctrine as contemning the Iudgment both of God and the Church persisteth in his opinion Thus wee see that Heresie is not without deniall of a matter of faith wherein both the Iudgment of God and the Churche is contemned The Minor is proued by D. Feild in this maner where first to vse his wordes hee alloweth for a cleare Instance not to be proued by Feild pag. 240. scripture the perpetuall virginitie of Mary and after confesseth that Hiluedius for pertinatiousely deniall thereof was condemned of Heresie In that hee saith this is no point of Christian faith but a Feild sup cap. 20. seemely truthe deliuered vnto vs by the Church of God fitting the sanctitie of the blessed Virgin and the honor due to so sanctified a vessell of Christs Incarnation as her bodie was hee speaketh truely in allowing it for a Tradition but denying it to be any point of Christian faith and yet telling vs that Heluidius for deniall of 〈◊〉 was condemned of Heresie hee both contradicteth himself the truth and his fellowe Protestants before assureing that Hereticks be they that obstinately erre in fundamentall points as D. Couell writeth or as M. Ormerod noteth swarue from the wholesome doctrine as contenininge the Iudgment both of God and the Church Where it is euident that a matter of faith is denied in euerye Heresie and also that things deliuered onely by tradition as D. Feild acknowledgeth the perpetuall virginitie of our blessed Ladie to be are the worde and Iudgment of God Further these Protestants seeme to condemne the Anabaptists and denyers of the necessitie to baptise Infants yet D. Feild writeth thus Feild pag. 239. The foarth kinde of Tradition is the coÌ„tinued practise of such things as neyther are conteyned in the scripture expressely nor the example of such practise expressely there deliuered Of this sorte is the baptisme of Infants which is therefore named a tradition because it is not expressely deliuered in the scripture that the Apostles did baptize Infants nor any expresse precept there found that they shoulde doe it And his wordes of the plurall signification The fourth kinde of traditions such things of this sorâ—eâ— c. are sufficient argument that hee alloweth diuers other Traditions of this nature That which he addeth wee fynde the scripture to delyuer the grounds of it is expressely Feild pag. 228. Couell def of Hook pag. 85. against himself before and D. Couell thus assureing vs in these wordes doctrines deriued exhortations deducted Interpretationâ— agreeable are not the worde of God and D. Feild Feild supr pag. 226. priuate Interpretation is not so proposed and vrged as if they woulde binde all others to receaue it Yet all men are bownde to receaue and firmely beleeue articles and matters of faithe Further D. Willet telleth vs that Vigilantius Willet Antilog pag. 13. was condemned of Heresie for denying reuerence to Relickes and yet Protestants generally teach that doctrine is not conteyned in holy scriptures D. Feild writeth Feild pag. 138. l. 3. cap. 29. in these wordes Aerius condemned the custome of the Churche in nameing the deade at the altare and offeringe the sacrifice of the Eucharist for them For this his
preists parsonall absolution from syn after confession Baptisme by priuate parsons in time of necessitie Confirmation profession of our faith to beleeue in the Father the Sonne holy Ghost ordination of Archbishops in their prouinces and Bishops in their dioces the Article of Christ discent to Hell the Apostles creede Baptisme of Infants the perpetuall virginitie of our blessed Ladie the celebrateing of our Lords day called Sonday for the sabbath in the old lawe the feastes of Pentecoste and Easter and their time when to be celebrated not answeareing to the Iewes and for denyall of which the quartadeciman Heresie was condemned and others are thus allowed by these Protestants to be true traditions or so esteemed in the primatiue Church by their testimonie Therefore they ought to haue allowance for true and indubitate Traditions The Maior is euident for against Protestants no better testimonie can be then from themselues and they haue graunted before that the primatiue Church is a true Rule in Religion and to be followed of vs. Now to proue the Minor I must ciâ—e these Protestants and if any of them in the Iudgment of some others in their Religion speake not allwaies to their likeinge or vnproperly as they thinke lett them try this combate with themselues it belongeth not to mee in this treatise First D. Couell and others teache That the signe of the crosse is Couell ag Burg. pag. 139. 124. 125. confer an apostolickall constitution and tradition And the Protestants against Puritans do not defend it by scripture The same D. Couell from the Couell ag Burg. pag. 122. auntient Fathers tell vs That the mixture of water with wine is an apostolicall tradition And as a generall Councell is of highest Iudgment by these men before so D. Willet writeth Willet Antilog pag. 169. thus the Greekes in a generall Councell held at Nyce confirmed and allowed the adoration of Imadges and it taught that Reuerence of Imadges is an Apostolicall tradition M. Middleton hath Concil Nyc 2. Middleton pap pag. 64. 45. 46. 51. thus testified S. Chrisostome taught it to be the Apostles ordinance to pray for the deade and confesseth it was a tradition in the primatiue Church receaued from the Fathers to pray for the deade and begg mercie of God for them The deade were prayed for in the publicke liturgies or Masses of Basile Chrisostome and â—piphanius The Greeke Gennad Schol. def 5. c. 3. Church so allowed by Protestants as before testifieth thus The doctrine of Purgatorie prayer and sacrifice for the deade was a Tradition of the Apostles M. Perkins Ormerod and others assure vs Perk. probl pag. 93. Ormer pict pag. â—7 Morton Apol. part 1. pag. 227. 228. Middleton pap pag. 134. Willet Antilog pag. 13. the auntient Fathers taught prayer to Saincts and D. Morton alledgeth how all antiquitie taught Inuocation of Saincts Then seing Protestants will not allowe it by scripture they must graunte it by Tradition M. Middleton telleth vs that the auntient Fathers so receaueinge it from them that went before them taught that vowes of chastitie and single life in Preists is to be obserued by tradition D. Willet graunteth that Vigiluntius was condemned for an Hereticke for deniall of reuerence to Relicks Then by tradition in the Iudgment of Protestants for they teache that it is not conteyned in scripture His Maiestie and the Protestant conference tell vs with Confer pag. 13. the Fathers and Apostolicke Churches that the particular and pâ—rsonall absolution from synne after confession is apostolicall and a verie godly ordinance And yet other Protestants there affirme that neither that nor others followeing are conteyned in scriptures D. Bilson Protestant Bishop of Winchester with consent Confer pag. 18. of Antiquitie teacheth That baptisme to be ministred by priuate persons in time of necessitie is an holy tradition His Maiestie and the saide Conference teach that Bishops be diuine ordinations Confer pag 35. 36. and confirmation is an apostolicall tradition How it ought by these men to be receaued Pag. 10. 11. for a sacrament shall be proued amonge other Sacraments hereafter M. Wotton writeth Wotton def of Perk. pag 465. 4â—6 that S. Basile did holde that the verie profession of our faith by which wee beleeue in the Father the Sonne and the holy Ghost is a tradition D. Couell wittnesseth thus that it was an Couell ag the plea. of the Innoc. pag. 104. Barlowe Ser. Sept. 21. An. 1607. part 3. cap. 2. apostolicall tradition or ordination to ordayne Archibishopâ— in their prouinces as Bishops also in their diocesse to rule the Church And yet many English Protestants to be cited hereafter deny such things either directly or consequently to be conteyned in scriptures and yet as before doe make true discipline and Regiment so essentiall a thinge in Religion that in their doctrine it is a note of the true Churche The Protestant Puritans vtterly deny alsoe that Christs discent into Hell can be proued out of scripture yet their Protestant Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson Bilson suru pag. 664. affirmeth That the Article of Christâ— discent to hell and the Creede wherein it is conteyned is an Apostolicall tradition deliuered to the Church by the direction and agreement of the Apostles To which D. Feild hath also giuen testimonie before Feild pag. 238. 239. And affirmeth the same of other particulars remembred in the Minor proposition amonge which that doctrine of baptizing infants is denyed by many of his English Protestant Church either to be conteyned or to be proued by scripture yet D. Feild Feild pag. 239. writeth thus Baptisme of Infants is named a tradition because it is not expressely deliuered in scripture that the Apostles did Baptize Infants nor any expresse precept there founde that they should so doe Then if wee should graunte more authoritie and giue greater credit to this Doctor that in his Iudgment against his fellowe Protestants before hee coulde probably deduce this doctrine from scripture which they deny yet it is but his priuate deduction and Interpretation and perhaps some few others which as before by his graunte bindeth vs not to receaue it as the doctrine of baptizing infants doth Of the perpetuall virginitie of our blessed Ladie to be a tradition I haue entreated before And Doctor Feild addeth thus The fift kinde of traditions Feild supr 239. comprehendeth such obseruations as in particulare are not commaunded in scripture nor the necessitie of them from thence concludeth Of this forte many thinke the obseruation of the Lent fast to be the fast of the fourth and the sixt dayes of the weeke and some other The custome of standeing at prayer on the Lords day and betweene Easter and Whitsontide was generally receaued as deliuered by Apostolicke tradition and when some began to breake it it was confirmed by the Councell of Nyce And if Concil Nic. can 20. to stand at prayers at such times of the Lords daye Easter and
Whitsontide was generally receaued as a Tradition deliuered by the Apostles then the times themselues not being either commaunded or directly exemplified in scripture must also be allowed by tradition And yet the Sabboth day in the old lawe which was abrogated by this tradition of the Sonday the Lords day as hee nameth it was so expressely commaunded by scripture that in order it is the third of the ten cheife commaundements and one of the first table belongeing to the worshipp of God Therefore a Tradition so powerable as to giue a ceaseinge to the expresse writteÌ„ worde lawe and commaundement of God must needs be of equall power And the Christians feaste of Easter likewise crosseing with and euacuateing the Pascha of the lawe written and without scripture onely by the prerogatiue of Tradition cannot be inferior especially seeing as before the Quartadecâ—mans denyers thereof were condemned as Hereticks by the primatiue Church for that cause And the like reason is of the feast of Whitesontide in the Church of Christ receaued by the same Rule of Easter onely by vnwritten tradition yet clearely abolisheinge and takeinge away the written lawe and word of God in that behalf Further I argue thus whatsoeuer is not a perfect and compleate Rule and Square in matters and questions of Religion without the help and dyrection of vnwritten traditions cannot be termed an absolute Rule in this kinde But the scripture and written worde of God by these Protestants is such Therefore by them no absolute and perfect Rule in matters of faithe The Maior is euidently true in the light of nature otherwise one and the same thinge in the same respect might be absolute and not absolute perfect and not perfect and two Contradictories might be true which is vnpossible The Minor proposition is thus proued by D. Feilde who speakeing of traditions Feild l. 4. cap. 20. pag. 239. vnwritten and yet allowed by him hath these wordes The third kinde of tradition is that forme of Christian doctrine and explication of the seuerall partes thereof which the first Christians receauing of the same Apostles that deliuered to them the scriptures commended to posterities This may rightly be named a tradition for that wee neede a playne and distinct explication of many things which are somewhat obscurely conteyned in the scripture Which is sufficient proofe that tradition vnwritten is the cause why many things are beleeued by faith grownded vppon tradition not written which the scriptures could neuer warrant vs to beleeue For things obscurely handled and not playnely and distinctly explicated which as hee saith is by tradition cannot be the formall obiect of faith by any possibilitie for seeing true certayne and vndoubted Reuelation from God euen by Protestants is the formall cause of beleeueinge things obscurely conteyned or taught cannot haue this priuiledge And yet by D. Feilds wordes many thinges be in this state without the assistance of tradition and yet firmely to be beleeued Therefore not the obscuritie in scripture but to vse his wordes a playne and distinet explication of many thinges by tradition receaued by the first Christians from the Apostles commended to posterities is the formall cause and reason of beleeueinge such verities Now to drawe to an end in this question of traditions D. Feild to his fowre before acknowledged kindes of traditions The holy scriptures the Creede of the Apostles the forme Feild pag. 238. l. 4. of Christian doctrine and explication of the seuerall parts thereof which the first Christians receaueinge of the same Apostles that deliuered to them the scriptures commended to posterities and the continued Feild pag. 239. practise of such thinges as neither are conteyned in the scripture expressely nor the example of such practise expressely there deliuered thoughe the growndes reasons and causes of the necessitie of such practise be there conteyned and the benefitt or good that followeth of it hee addeth the fift kinde in these wordes The fift kinde of traditions comprehendeth Feild supr pag. 239. such obseruations as in particulare are not commaunded in scripture nor the necessitie of them from thence concluded though in generall without limitation of times and other circumstances such things be there commaunded Of this sorte many thinke the obseruation of the lent faste to be the faste of the fourthe and the sixt dayes of the weeke and some other This supposed as also the Feild pag. 242. same Protestant Doctors Rules before to know true traditions the consent and doctrine of the Churche the moste renowned for learninge the constant Testimonie of the pastors of an Apostolicke Church amonge which next to generall Feild pag. 202. Councells bynding and commaunding all the Church of Rome is especially to be obeyed reuerenced and respected as moste priuiledged from error yt must needs be euident by these Protestants that Traditions whether deliuered in scripture to be deduced from them or to be receaued without scripture are to be adiudged for the Romane Churche for that before is proued by them to be the true Church of Christ the Pope of Rome to be the supreame commaunding Ruler in it that the scriptures receaued by it are Canonicall and the vndowbted worde of God and all true and Iuridicall expositions and deductions from them are onely for the doctrine of the same Churche of Rome And so their other grounted Rules of generall Councells and Learned Fathers to be handled in the next chapters doe also teach vnto vs the same doctrines by these Protestants for by their Iudgment they may not nor can proceede in such bâ—sines but by the holy scriptures and true expositions and deductions from them allreadie proued by these Protestants for the present Roman Church Therefore I conclude this question with this Arguments following Whatsoeuer doctrines in Religion generall Councells the highest binding and commaunding Rule and authoritie ouer all Christians in the Iudgment of Protestants haue defined by the Bishops and Fathers assembled in them in matters of Religion by traditions written or vnwritten are to be receaued and embraced of all But all or the cheefest Articles in question betweene Catholicks and Protestants are directly concluded by the grounte of these Protestants by the Councells and Bishops in them assembled at Nyce the seconde the greate Laterane Florence and Constance Basile cited and allowed for generall Councells by the Protestant Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson D. Willet D. Couell M. Bils Middlet papist â—9 119. 120. 124. 125. Willet synop cont 1. q. 7. Liniban ap Parkes and others in such maner as the present Church of Rome now teacheth Therefore they ought so to be receaued and embraced of all Christians bothe propositions are graunted before by these Protestants or in these citations Therefore nothinge remayneth to be proued in this Argument And because these Protestants Parkes pag. 137. 180. Couell def of Hook pag. 21. Parkes ag lymb pag. 176. Willet Antil pag. 178. c. Abbot ag Hill pag 38. 48. 49. 51.
teach that those doctrines are not conteyned in or to be proued by scriptures consequently they defined them by vnwritten traditions of equall authoritie with scripture by D. Feild before being so adiudged allowed and approued by that highest commaunding sentence in the Churche of Christ But of generall Councells I am to entreate in the next chapter In the meane time I vrdge onely this one particular of the highest authoritie and gouermnent in the Church by tradition as these Protestants assure vs and I argue thus Whosoeuer defend and teach that which they thinke to be the highest authoritie and function spirituall in the Church without which the word of God cannot be truelâ— preached nor Sacraments duely ministred the essentiall things of the true Church by the Protestants Religion to be an vnwritten Tradition needs must allowe of vnwritten traditions necessarie to saluation But these English Protestants case is such Therefore they must allowe vnwritten traditions necessary to saluation The Maior proposition is euidently true and the Minor thus proued by them The Protestant Author of the offer of conference Offer of confer pag. 12. writeth thus The Bishop of Rochester with the consent and by the direction no doubt of some of the cheefest Prelates hath published his sermon preached before the Kinge at Hampton Court the mayne drift whereof is to proue that the offiâ—e and câ—lling of Bishops is a diuine and Apostolicall ordinance And againe in these words vnwritten ordinances Pag. 34. sup aswell as written or dyuine and Apostoliâ—ke in the constitution of the cheefest office and ministery of the Church D. Couell hath testified the same for himself before and their Bishop Barlowe Barlowe Ser. Sept. 21. 1606. before the Kinge his words before the Kinge and with publicke applause are these of this matter First posuit actu hee acted it by the hands of the Apostles and so the Episcopall function is an ordinance Apostolicall hee hath enacted it for succeeding posteritie and so it is a canon or constitution of the whole Trinitie It is Geographia agraphos vnwritâ—en Housbandrie whereof there is no written precept or Rule from Christ Irenaeus calleth it an Apostolicall tradition manifest to all the worlde To these lett vs add some Protestant testimonies how from the first creation of the world all Articles of Religion for many hundreds of yeares and afterward many cheife and necessarie points thereof were taught and deliuered by tradition without scripture And I will onely cite their late worke Historye of the world much commended Histor of the world lib. 1. pag. 180. and approued amonge them Of the practice and deliuery of Religion thus they write That the Rule in generall was paternall it is most euident for Adam being Lord. Ouer his owne children instructed them in the seruice of God his Creator as wee reade Cayne and Abel brought oblations before God as they had beene taught by their parent the Father of mankinde Their sixt treatise or Paragrah in that first booke is Lib. 1 §. 6. pag. 78. thus intituled of the Patriarkes deliueringe their knowledge by tradition And write in these wordes if wee consider the curiositie and polecie of elder ages wee shall finde that knowledg was the greatest treasure that men sought for and which they also couered and hid from the vulgare sort as Iewells of inestimable price feareing the irreuerent construction of the Ignorant and irreligeous so as whatsoeuer was attayned vnto concerning God and his workeinge in nature the same was not left to publicke dispute but deliuered ouer by hart and tradition from wise men to posteritie equally zelous ex animo in animum sine literis medio intercedente Dion Areop verbo from minde to minde without letters by way of Tradition or worde of mouthe And it was thought by Esdras Origen and Hilarius as Mirandula conceiueth that Moses did not onely vppon the mount receaue the lawe from God but withall secretiorem veram legis enarrationem a more secrett and true explanation of the lawe which saith hee out of the same Authors hee deliuered by mouth to Iosuah and Iosuah to the Elders for to teach these misteries which hee called secretiora to the rude multitude were no other quam dare sanctum canibus to cast pearls before swyne In succeeding times this vnderstandinge and wisedome began to be written in Cyphers and Characters and letters bearing the forme of beasts birds and other creatures and to be taught onely to such as serued in their temples and to their Kings and preists Of the first the Cabala of the Iewes was Pag. 79. an imitation This Cabala importeth a lawe receaued by Tradition and vnwritten Cabala in Hebrue is Receptio in Latine and a receauing in English If then such as would seeme wisest in the vse of reason will not acknowledge that the story of the creation or begynning of all things was written by Inspiration the holy Ghost guiding the hand of Moses yet it is manifest that thâ— knowledge thereof might by tradition then vsed be deliuered vnto him by a more certaine presumption then any or all the testimonies which prophane antiquitie had preserued and left to their successors For leauing to remember that Adam instructed Seth and Seth his children and Successors which cannot be doubted of it is manifest that Mathusalem liued together with Adam himself 243 yeares and Noah with Mathusalem no lesse then 500 yeares and before Noah died Abraham was 58. yeares old from whence this knowledge by an easy and ordinary way might come to Israel and so to Moses And to cleare all doubts and obiections these Protestants proue vnto vs. That the very binding and obligatory precepts of God themselues were thus deliuered and obserued onely by vnwritten traditions They intitle the 8. § of their second booke Histor sup libr. 2. cap. 4. §. 4. in this maner Of the vnwritten lawe of God giuen to the Patriarkes by tradition And thus they add The Patriarkes of the first age receaued many precepts from God himself and whatsoeuer was first imposed by Adam the same was obserued by Seth who instructed Enos from whom it succeeded to Noah Sem Abraham Isaac Iacob Ioseph and Moses Yea many particular commaundements afterward written were formerly imposed and diliuered ouer by tradition which kinde of teacheinge the Iewes afterward called Cabala precept receaued from the mouth of their preists and Elders to which the Iewes after the lawe written added the Interpretation of secret misteryes reserued in the bosomes of their preists and vnlawfull to be vttered to the people But the true Cabala was not to be concealed from any as being in deed the diuine lawe reuealed to the Patriarkes and from them diliuered to posteritie when as yet it was vnwritten And entreating how after letters and writing was inuented and many reuealed misteries so recorded yet men must still maintayne traditions vnwritten and instruction from them they exemplifie in this order out of S.
3. adhuc in sua permaneret pertinacia c. And when Dioscorus continued in his obstinacie Paschasinus Bishop and with him Lucentius Bishop and Bonifacius Priest holding the place of the moste holy and moste blessed Archbishopp of the Apostolicke See the elder Rome Pope Leo pronownced sentence A Bill Conc. Calcod Act. 3. was preferred to the Councell with this Title Sanctissimo beatissimo vniuersali Archiepiscopo c. To the moste holy and the moste blessed vniuersall Archbishop and Patriarke of greate Rome Leo and to the venerable Synode of Calcedon The Concil calced Act. 1. ex nou trans Church of Rome is there called Caput omnium ecclesiarum The heade of all Churches And graunted if any Councell was called without Authoritie of that See Nunquam ritè factum est nec fieri licuit It was neuer rightly done nor lawfull to be done The Councell writeth to S. Leo then Pope to confirme their decrees Concil Cacled epistol ad S. Leon Leo epistol 53. 54. 55. 59. 60. 61. And he confirmeth them excepting the precedencie of Constaminople before Alexandria and Antioche Further in this greate generall Councell of 630. Fathers more Ecclosiasticall Orders then Protestants allowe are assigned their marriadge disallowed Can. 6. Can. 11. Can. 15. Can. 23. except lectors For Monkes or sacred virgins to marry is excommunication Likewise for temporall men to lyue in and possesse Monasteries and Religeous howses The fist generall Councell held at Constantinople wholly proceedeth against errors of that time and handleth nothing now in Controuersie yet both that the sixt generall following and all others before are confirmed by Pope Leo the second in these Lee 2. epist ad ConstaÌ„tin 4. Imperat seff 18. concil 6. wordes Because this sixt Councell hath moste fully taught the definition of true faith which the Apostolicke See of blessed Peter doth reuerently receaue Therefore wee also and by our office this venerable see Apostolicke agreeably and with one minde consenteth vnto the things which by it are defined and by the authoritie of S. Peter confirmeth them as vppon a firme Rocke c. And receauing all these sixe Councells by name and approuing them decreeth that the Fathers in them assembled are to be numbred Inter fanctos Ecclesiae Paires atque Doctores amonge the holy Fathers and Doctors of the Churche The same generall Councell writeth Epist 6. synod ad Agathon 1. ppam to Pope Agatho in this Wee referre vnto thee standing vppon a firme rocke as to the Ruler of the cheefe See of the vniuerfall Church what is to be done yeelding to the letters of true confession sent from your fatherly blessednes which wee acknowledg Epist Agasess 4. synod 6. as sent from the highest heade of the Apostles written by diuine instinct by which wee haue driuen away the lately risen hereticall sect of manifold â—rrors c. In which so much applauded Epistle these wordes are conteyned concerning the See Apostolick of Rome This is the Rule of true faith which both in prospiritie and aduersitie the Apostolicke Church of Christ hath liuely held which by the grace of God shall be proued neuer to haue erred from the pathe of Apostolicke Tradition neither hath shrouke depraued with Hereticall nouelties because it was saide to Peter I haue asked for thee that thy faith saile not and thow sometime conuerted confirme the bâ—ethren Here our Lord hath promised that the faith of Peter should not faile and hee admonished him to confirme his brethren which all men knowe the Apostolicke Popes predecessors of my meannes haue allwaies confidently done And because these Protestants doe so freely acknowledg the Trullan Canons to be the decrees and Canons of this sixt generall Councell allowed by them first in the second Canon are approued Can. 2. so manie prouinciall Councells and writings of the auntient Fathers vtterly condemning Protestant Religion In the third Canon is taught how the custome of the Church of Rome for an vnmatryed Can. 3. Cleargie is the true obseruation of the Ecclesiasticall Canon therein And for the Church of Greece it self deposeth Preists Deacons and Subdeacons marrying after Orders And to shew both the Ecclesiasticall Orders which Protestants condemne and disable matrimonies of votaries against these men thus they decree If any Bishop or Can. 4. Preist or Deacon or Subdeacon or Reader or Cantâ—r or Ostiarius shall haue companie with a womam dedicated to God lett him be deposed as hee that hath violated the spouse of Christ But if a lay man doe it lett him be excommunicate The maner of the consecrating and receauing Concil Carth. 4. can 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12 Concil 6. gener supr can 2. can 6. Bishops Preists Deacons Subdeacons Acolythiteâ— Exorcists Lectors Ostiariers Psalmists Nonnes Widowes c. Is conteyned in the 4. Carthagenean Councell confirmed in this sixt generall Councell Their 6. Canon defineth thus Because it is saide in the Canons of the Apostles of those that be not marryed are promoted to the Cleargie onely Readers and Singers may marry weâ— also obseruing this decree that from henceforthe is he lawfull for no Subdeacon Deacon or Preist to contract marriadge and if hee shall dare to doe it â—etâ— him be deposed And concerning Bishops thus begynneth the 12. Canon It alltogether commaundeth that Bishops after they are Ordered departe Can. 12. from their wyues They receaue and allowe those formes of Masses that be attributed to S. Iames the Apostle and S. Basâ—le Can. 32. and affirme them to be the true Authors of them The monasticall single life with the Can. 39. 40. 41. 42. 43. 44. 45. 46. 47. Can. 48. Rules of Monasteries are set downe in diuers Canons And when a Bishop is chosen that was marryed hee is seperated from his wife and shee put into a Monasterie far from him Vxor eius monasterium ingrediatur proculab Episcopi habitatione extructum They define thus for lent Visum est Can. 56. c. It seemeth good that the whole Church of God which is in all the world should keepe faste following one order and obstayne from eggs and cheese as from the flesh Creatures c. Honor to the signe of the crosse is thus concluded Vt ei pâ—r quam ab antiquo lapsu saluati summ c. Seeing the viuificant Can. 73. Crosse hath shewed vnto vs that saluation wee ought to vse all diligence to giue due honor to that by which wee are saued from our old fale Whereuppon giuing adoration vnto it both in minde in worde and sence wee commaunde that the figures of the Crosse made by some on the grounde and pauement be blotted out least that which is the Trophee of Victorie vnto vs be iniured by the treading of them that goe vppon it The vse and Reuerence of holy Imadges is sufficiently approued when they call them Venerabilium Imaginum picturas Can. 82. The pictures of
of his nature is righteousnes onely mans transgression syn Which might also be sufficient for an other Argument for if onely transgression of the lawe is synne and vniustice then good workes the keeping of the lawe must needs be Iustice And in an other place thus the same Author speaketh of prayer a part of good workes Prayer is the best meanes both to Couell modest examinat pag. 176. testifie our dutifull affection and moste effectuall to obtayne whatsoeuer wee wanting can desire at Gods hands D. Sutcliffe thus commendeth this good worke By prayers wee obtaine remission of Sutcliff ag D. Kellison pag. 72. 73. sins By prayers wee obtayne Gods grace And yet it is euident euen in Protestants doctrine that they which haue remission of syns and Gods grace are iust and righteous in their phrase of speakeinge Good deeds done in grace meretoreous by English Protestants Now that good deeds done in grace are also meritorious thus I argue Whatsoeuer is rewarded rewardable bindeth an other to giue for it was by antiquitie and now also properly called meritt is meritorious But good workes done in grace are such Therefore they are meritorious The Maior is euident And the Minor thus proued first by D. Couell which speaketh thus That Couell def of Hooker pag. 51. 52. workes of perfection to which wee are not bownde haue greater reward then keeping of the precepts Then bothe the one and other must needs haue their reward the one greate and the other greater and consequently be so meretorious and deserueing for euen in our vulgare language and proprietie of speache reward is not but where deserueing is signifyeing a Retribution or payeing againe for a thinge Againe the same Protestant Doctor writeth thus in Coueli sup pag. 40. 44. playne termes Rewards doe allwayes presuppose such duties performed as are rewardable It was the phrase of Antiquitie to call our vertuous attaynment by the way of meritt The phrase of the Latine doth properly make one to meritt of an other and as it were to binde him to him who doth any thinge which pleaseth and delighteth him for whome it is done Which sufficiently proueth that second proposition And from this graunt this matter is thus further demonstrated by their Articles to which they haue all subscribed Articl of Relig. Articl 12. where it is thus defined good workes which are the fruites of faith ar pleaseing and acceptable to God in Christ Vppon which words good workes doe please God their publick glosse is in these Rogers in art 12. prâ—pos 1. pag. 53. words God hath commaunded them to be done and requireth righteousnes not onely outward of the body but also inward of the mynde and hath appointed for the vertuous and godly rewards both in this life and in the world to came and to the wicked punishments spirituall corporall and of body and soule eternall in the pitt of Hell And for this doctrine cite these scriptures Matth. 5. 16. Ioh. 15. 12. Phil. 2. 14. c. 1. Thess 4. 3. c. 2. Tim. 2. 19. Iames 2. Matth. 5. 22. 26. c. And all these Protestant Confessions Heluetia Basile Boheme Fraunce Belgia Ausburge Saxonie Wittemb Sueue Therefore wee need not be doubtfull of it by Protestant proceedings But to make it further and without all exception moste apparantly true I further argue in this maner That which was taught by the true primatiue Church in this point is true doctrine But meritt of good workes was then taught by it Therefore it is true doctrine The Maior is euident before And the Minor is proued thus by these Protestants D. Morton from Caluyn acknowledgeth Morton apolog part 1. pag 275. 276. Couell modest exam pag. 120. Sutcliff subuers pag. 50. that the word meritt was vsed of the Auncient Fathers in obtayning rewarde D. Couell assureth vs thus Diuers both of the Greeke and Latine Church taught freewill meritts and inuocation of Saincts as Catholicks doe D. Sutcliff telleth vs that within the first 600. yeares time of truth with him and other Protestants the doctrine of meritts and good deeds was taught And M. Wotton acknowledgeing that the auncient Fathers vsed the name of meritt in this question concludeth thus The doctrine of meritts as it was held and taught by the auncient Christians wee acknowledge and embrace Therefore seeing Protestants as M. Wotton generally Wotton def of Perk. pag. 339. vndertaketh in their name acknowledg for true the doctrine of the Fathers concerning meritts and as before by Protestants the Fathers and the present Romane Church agree in this poynt Protestants also must subscribe vnto them And not to make these Protestants singular in this consent I will add M. Bell to their number hee Bell tryall of the new Religion cap. 9. writeth thus True it is I freely graunt that the holy Fathers doe often vse the word meritt and doe often call the workes of the faithfull meretorious And doth not onely yeeld that to be worthie and meretorious is all one but that such workes of the faithfull are rewarded with heauen I Argue againe in this order workes that are rewarded in heauen may or ought to be done in respect of reward and bringe a speciall worthines vnto the workers of them are meretorious But the good deeds of Christians done in grace be such Therefore they are meretorious The Maior is euident before both by the description of reward by the graunt of Protestants and in respect that M. Bell last cited hath assured vs that to be worthie and to be meretorious is all one The Minor is thus proued first M. Ormerode writeth thus You meaning Catholicks Ormerod paganopapis pag. 53. doe notoriously slaunder vs Protestants beareing the world in hand wee teach that none ought to doe good in respect of reward be it knowne vnto you wee are farre from teacheing that a man ought not to doe good in respect of reward M. Wotton hath these words God will reward the Wotton def of Perk. pag. 302. pag. 334. leaste good worke of any of his children And agayne They that are iustified shall haue a speciall worthynes in themselues when they shall come to receaue their inheritance because they shall be truly and fully sanctified Where not onely a reward is graunted to good workes but that they make the doers of them meritinge and worthy of their eternall inheritance and that this worthynes is caused by grace and Iustice whereby they are iustified and bringe forth workes of such worthe value and deserueinge And to cleare further this name of reward which some of them would violently wrest from the true and proper meaneing thereof in this question Thus I argue againe whatsoeuer is so effectuall that reward or stipend cannot be denyed vnto it without iniustice is meretorious But good workes done in grace are such Therefore they are meretorious The Maior is manifest for that which is due by iustice is due by Title and
Neither in Catholicke or Protestant proceedings can deceaue vs The Minor is proued by the very words of the Protestant Doctors before cited Therefore I will conclude with this Argument following Whatsoeuer Church or congregation graunteth so many workes and estates of perfection as before they haue recompted Pouertie Chastitie and Obedience and yet in life and execution do not practize any one of them in any condition company fraternitie or congregation in any one place or contry in so longe time as Protestancie hath Raigned but spoiled abandoned persecuted or ouerthrowne all Monasteryes howses and communities liuing in such perfection neither is nor can be the true and perfect Church and spowse of Christ but that which proceedeth in the contrary course But the Churche or congregations of Protestants are in this case as all men knowe and the Romane Catholicke Church in the contrary disposition and state Therefore the Protestant Religion is not true but onely the Catholicke How holy and Religeous this our Kingedome hath beene in this high degree of sanctitie in tymes of Catholicke Religion how many hundreds of Monasteries were fownded to such purpose how many glorious Kings Queens and Princes forsakeinge their Kingedomes Diadems and Honors haue embraced this state of perfection in chastitie pouertie and obedience and became Monkes and Nunnes may in sort be gathered out of the Protestant late Theater where you shall finde the number to greate to be cited I will onely alledge their words in one place to giue some triall of it which are these Not onely preists Tâ—â—at of gr Britan. pag. 305. n. 16. 17. and lay men vowed and performed pilgrimadges to Rome But Kings Queens and Bishops also did the like So greate a deuotion was in their harts and so holy a Reuerence held they of the place Kinge Egbert succeeded his vncle Ceolnuph in the Kingedome ruling with peace and piâ—tie twentye yeares foresooke the woâ—ld and shore himself a monke as diuers other Kings in those dayes had done as Inab Ethelred Kenred Sigebert Sebbi Offa Cronulph c. Some Pag. 17. 25. 37. 47. 298. 301. 308. 338. 351. 360. of the Queenes were these Q. Aelfrith Cuthburga Elemner Andrye Quinburge Eadburge Eue Segburge Ethelburge Cuthburga Oswith Kinswith Ethelwith Eâ—fride Eanifled Erminhild Ethelswith Edgiua Elfgine with others The examples of the sonnes and daughters of Kings with such greate princes would requier a volume to giue them due remembraunce I will onely recite two or three relations from these Protestants how honorably these works of perfection with their vowes were then esteemed and how barbarous a thinge it was then to violate them They write of Kinge Etheldred in these words The remorse of conscience for the Pag. 341. n. 4 blood hee had spilt and the places of Oratoryes by him destroyed besides his Intrusions into an other mans Right strucke so deepe a wounde into Kinge Ethelreds breast that eâ—er hee bethought him what recompence to make First then building a goodly Monastery at Bradney and that moste fruitefull seated in the countie of Lincolne thought that not sufficient to waâ— awâ—â—â—he scarrs of his fowle offence but determined in himself to forsake the world for that was the terme attributed to the monasticall life But such was the Religion then taught and the goldy zeale of the good princes then raigneinge whose workes haue manifested their vertues to posterities and faith in Christ the saluation of their soules in whose paradise wee leaue them and Etheldred to his deuent intent who to reconcile himself first vnto Kenred bequeathed the Crowne solely to him allthough hee had a sonne capable thereof then putting on the habit of Religion became himself a monke in his owne monastery of Bradney where hee liued in a regular life the terme of twelue yeares and therin lastely died Abbot of the place when hee had raigned 30. yeares Chelred the sonne and heire apparant of this Kinge Ethelred entered into Religion when hee Pag. 341. n. 6. was of sufficient yeares to haue succeeded his Father in the Kingedome Of the miraculous victory of Kinge Osway by his vowe to dedicate his daughter to Christ in perpetuall virginitie they write in this maner Penda the mercilesse Pagan Kinge inuading Kinge Oswy refuseing all Pag. 338. n. 4. 5. Iuells and offers of peace Kinge Oswy seeketh help of God by prayer And with such zeale as was then embraced vowed his yonge daughter Elfled to be consecrated in perpetuall virginitie to him with 12 farmes and their lands to the erection and mayntenance of a monastery And his enemyes army beinge thirtye times his and of well appointed and old tryed souldyers Penda loste his life with discomfiture of all his mercian power Of Ethelwald sonne of Ethelbert Pag. 360. n. 3 thus they write He entereth now rebellion and besides the alleadgeance due to his prince in sacriledgeius maner brake the hests of holy Church in deflowring and taking a votarist to wife But fearing the Army of K. Edward bad in the night winborne which hee had taken and his Nunne adue flyeinge to the Danes in Northumberland Where wee se that this point of Protestant doctrine is by their owne sentence sacriledge a breaking of the hests of holy Churche Ioyning it self against God and contry with Rebellion and infidelitie And a thinge though vsed by Infidells yet a monster and seldome hard of amonge Christians for of those Infidell Danes they add in these words Hungar and Pag. 354. cap. 35. n. 5. Hubba began with fier and sworde to lay all waste before them spareing neither parson sexe nor age The places respected for publick good and sacred temples consecrated onely to God which all other Tyrants haue forborne the sauadge men as the earthes destroyers cast downe and trampled vnder their prophane feete amonge which for note were the goodly Monasteryes of Bradney Crowland Peterborough Ely and Huntington all layed in leuell with the grounde and their votaryes aswell the Nunnes as the Monkes murthered with their inhumane and mercilesse swords to auoide whose barbarous pollutions the chaste Nunnes of Coldingham deformed themselues to their lasciuious eyes by cutting of their vpper lipps and noses but to euerlasting remembrance they remayne moste fayre and well beseeminge faces of puer virgins Then if the glory and honor of such vowes workes of perfection their vowers votarists and professors are so greate and estimable with God and good men euen in the Iudgment of these Protestants And those that haue though but in small things in respect of these Protestants afflicted and persecuted them are worse then tyrants sauadge men earthe destroyers and prophane what is become of those Protestants that destroyed so many hundreds of holy Temples Monasteryes and places consecrated to God which all other tyrants haue forborne And what hope can be to these that lyue persisting in those stepps of their forerunners and dayly adding new and more afflictions to the sacred Preists and holy professors of that
Religion and perfection therin God of his infinite mercy graunt them true penance and turne away his so much deserued vengeance from this nation And that as these men haue much exexceeded the Infidell Danes in offendinge so they may in some kinde imitate them in satisfaction and repentinge for they themselues in this Theater are wittnes that their Theat of gr Britt pag. 391. 392. greatest Kinge Canutus whome I chuse to exemplify in for satisfaction of such his syns Went on pilgrimadge to Rome to visit the sepulchre of S. Peter and Paule Built many Churches and Abbeyes greately reuerenced S. Benett whose Monasteryes were so persecuted hee offered vp his crowne vppon the Martyrs S. Edmunds Tombe Most rich and royall Iewells hee gaue to the Church of Winchester whereof one is recorded to be a crosse worth as much as the whole reuenewe of England amounted to in one yeare Hee set his crowne on the heade of the picture of our Sauiour on the crosse at Winchester neuer weareinge it more Vnto Couentry hee gaue the Arme of Saint Augustine the Doctor which hee bought at Papia in his returne from Rome and for which hee payed an hundred Talents of syluer and one of gold With his owne hands hee did help to remoue the body of Saint Alphegus at the translation of it from London to Canterbury whome the Danes not withstanding his Archiepiscopall and sacred calleing before had martyred at Greenewich Gunhilda daughter of this Kinge and Emma his wife was the first wife of Pag. 393. n. 24. Henry 3. Romane Emperor her surpassing bewtie bredd in the Emperour Ielousy of her Incontinencye the matter to be tryed by combatt her champion was her page but a youth brought out of England against agyantlike man but the page cutt of his heade The Emperesse refuseth the Emperors bedd and tooke the holy vayle of a Nunne in Flaunders where shee spent the rest of her life O how happy had it beene for K. Henry 8. and his daughter Q. Elizabeth themselues for vs and all posterities in England if as in synninge they imitated and exceeded the vnbeleeueing Danes so in repenting and satisfaction they had beene Imitators of their pietie CHAPTER VIII WHEREIN THE CATHOLICKE doctrine of the distinction betweene mortall and veniall syns is proued by these Protestant writers IN this Question thus I breefely make demonstration for the Catholicke doctrine by these Protestants All men that graunte and doe not deny this difference of syns some to be mortall depriueing of grace others veniall not depryueing of it but consisting with it doe graunt this distinction and doe or ought to agree with Catholicks therein But these English Protestant Doctors and writers doe thus Therefore they doe or ought to agree with Catholicks therin The Maior is euident For as matters of faith may neuer without that greate horrible offence of deniall of a mans faith be denyed so they ought according to the obligation and dutie of some tymes professing our faith be also some tymes confessed But the rest of the Maior which is sufficient in this argument is expressely affirmed and the Minor thus proued First the publick Protestant Conference at Conference pag. 41. Hampton Court assureth vs thus Amonge syns some be greuous or mortall which depriue of grace others veniall or which doe consist with grace Which is the same which the Church of Rome teacheth in this Question And D. Feild entreateinge of this matter writeth Feild pag. 116. thus in the name generally of Protestants Wee doe not denye the distinction of veniall and mortall syns but doe thinke that some syns are rightly sayde to be mortall and some veniall some doe exclude grace out of that man in which they are fownde and so leaue him in a state wherein hee hath nothinge in himself that can or will procure him pardon others doe not so farre preuayle as to bannish grace Couell def of Hooker pag. 56. D. Couell disputing against the Heresies of English Puritane Protestants vseth these words Your three false conclusions seeme to establish a threefold error contrary to the doctrine of all Churches that are accompted Christian First that all syn is but one syn Secondly that all syns are equall Thirdly that all syns are vnited The first making no diuision of the kindes of syn the second no distinction of the qualities of syn and the third no difference in committing synne Against these wee say and wee hope warranted by truthe that syns are of diuers kinds of diuers degrees of diuers natures From which thus I argue againe Whatsoeuer doctrine is contrary to the doctrine of all Churches accounted Christian is erroneous and in the contrary to that which is warranted by truthe is not true But that Protestant doctrine which denieth the diuers kynds degrees and natures of syns is such Therefore it is not true The Maior is manifest for true doctrine cannot be contrary to all Christian Churches to truthe nor can be erroneous opposite to truthe The Minor is expressely in playne words proued by D. Couell before who maketh it so odious that in his opinion none accompted or to be accompted a Christian will defend it And the same doctrine of distinction of syns thus hee confirmeth in these wordes Yt is not all one to be â— foote Couell def of Hooker pag. 57. 58. and a rodd wide And therefore the lawe that forbad but one thinge thow shalt not kill forbad three things as Christ expowndeth it Anger to thy Brother to call him foole to offer him violence these hauing euerye one as their seuerall degrees so their seuerall punishment This Heresie then wee leaue to his first Authors Iouinian and the rest From which sentence thus I argue agayne Nothing that is Heresie and was for such condemned in the Heretick Iouinian and others for such can be true doctrine But this Protestant puritane doctryne here confuted by D. Couell in his Iâ—dgment is such Therefore it cannot be true The Maior is euident for true doctrine and Heresie be contrary The Minor is proued in the last Protestant citation Lastely I argue thus That doctrine which hath scandalized all Churches and leaueth many followers of that Religion wherein it is taught ill satisfied cannot be true But the doctrine of diuers Protestants in this question is such Therefore it cannot be true The Maior is euident for truthe cannot scandalize all Churches nor leaue the Professors ill satisfied The Minor is proued by the Protestant Relator of Religion who entreating of this Relation of Religion cap. 48. and other such Protestant paradoxes writeth thus Touching the eternall decrees of God the qualitie of mans nature the vse of workes some of their cheife Authors haue scandalized all other Churches withall yea and many of their owne to rest verie ill satisfied Therefore the former Catholicke doctrine in this poynt is true and Orthodoxe euen by these Protestants Which shall suffyce in this question perhaps not so generally receaued
by English Protestants especially in the Articles of their Religion to which they haue subscribed CHAPTER IX WHERE THE DOCTRINE OF the Romane Church concerninge the vse and reuerence of holy Imadges is proued by these English Protestant writers NEXT vnto these Questions so nearely concerninge the Internall sanctitie Iustice and sanctification of man I would willingly giue contentment to my contry Protestants from their owne Doctors and Professors in Religion in those Articles which they moste dislike in the Romane Churche Wherefore as is it sufficiently knowne that the Protestant Relator of Religion is by his profession in his writing both a professed Enemy vnto Catholicks and amonge Protestants a man of reputed worthines and taking vppon him an experimentall knowledge of Religeous causes so I hope no exception will be taken vnto mee if I first make Answere and giue satisfaction vnto his demaunde which to make an vnion betweene Catholicks and Part. 1. cap. 2. Relation of Religion cap. 48. Protestants in onely on the behalf of Catholicks as I haue also before remembred is thus set downe in his owne words To giue ouer worshippinge of Imadges offering supplication to Saincts offensiue Ceremonyes Indulgences and vseinge of straunge languadge not vnderstand in our deuotions These be all which hee willeth Catholicks to relinquish in their Religion amonge so many controuersyes in essentiall things as their stiled Professor D. Willet and other of their writers haue registred And consequently willeth Protestants to conforme themselues to the Romane Church in all the rest To whome I will Answere in euery particular euen by his English fellowe Protestant writers and himself also And first in generall vppon his owne graunt and desire I argue thus When two Churches are at difference in Religion and by graunt of both one is the true Church of Christ and differ in many greate questions and many of essentiall poynts by the graunt of Protestants being one of the Churches and the other Church by their Iudgment onely to haue an vnion needeth to relinquish fyue things and none of them essentiall but dispensable all and the other Church to submitt in all others then by thas doctrine which Protestants haue taught vs in the first chapter of the first parte of this worke about the Infallibilitie of the true Church and generally that it cannot erre in any essentiall thinge that Church which is by the Aduersaries confession in this state of truth in all things essentiall is the true Church and the other false But by the Protestant Relator before the Romane Church is in this state of truthe and the Protestants Church in the contrary Therefore the Romane Church is true and that of Protestants false Both the propositions be euidently true and proued before Therefore lamentable is the condition of that Protestant Religion defectiue and to be reformed by their owne sentence in so many and essentiall Questions And this Protestant Relator and all Protestants with him may certaynely knowe considering what they haue written of the true Churches priuiledges Part. 1. â— 1. from error before that their so deformed congregation is a false Church and the Church of Rome which so longe time hath beene accused by Protestants of a generall Reuolt and Apostasie and now by her enemyes Iudgment needeth to amend onely fyue dispensable things so small a blemishe and spott to be washed away doth also want those deformities and Protestants eyes are dazeled as well in those few now as in so many before now recanted But to giue him and all other Protestants of England particular satisfaction by their owne writings both in those fyue and all other cheefe questions betweene vs I will now first begyn with that which hee nameth first worshippinge of Imadges as hee termeth it The Councell of Trent entreating how holy Imadges are to be vsed and kept in Churches expresseth the reuerent respect to be obserued towards them in this maner Not because it may be beleeued there is any diuinitie Concil trident sess 9. or vertue in them for which they are to be worshipped or that any thinge is to be asked of them or any trust to be placed in the Imadges as of old it was done of the gentils which placed their hope in their Idolls But because the honor which is giuen vnto them is referred to the Prototypa which they represent So that by the Imadges which wee kisse and before which wee putt of our hats and kneele downe wee adore Christ and reuerence the Saincts whose similitude they beare Which is that which is established against oppugners of Imadges by the decrees of Councells especially the seconde Synode of Nyce Hither to the opinion of Catholicks in this question being the same and no other but that which the second Nicene Councell had decreed 900. yeares agoe Wherein a relatiue worship or Reuerence of holy Imadges was defined Then supposeing what I haue cited before from D. Feild D. Morton D. Sutcliffe D. Willet and others that a generall Councell hath the highest bynding Part. 1. c. 6. Iudgment and that neither the Protestant Church in England or all places of Europe where it is euer had or can haue any such Councell by their owne confession but euery Rule they haue or can haue Prince Parlament or Conuocation is fallible and hath erred as is proued in the first part of this worke This I say supposed thus I argue That which is confirmed and allowed by a generall Councell the highest commaundinge Rule in the Church is to be obserued and receaued before any Protestant article or position allowed by no such but by a deceitfull Rule But this Catholicke doctrine was so confirmed and allowed and the contrary of Protestants onely by a fallible and deceauing Rule Therefore the doctryne of Catholicks and not of Protestants in this Question is to be obserued The Maior is euidently concluded forth of these Protestants before and so much of the second proposition that the Protestant doctrine of these men neither in this or any one Article hath been allowed by any such highest or bynding Rule That which remayneth to be proued is onely this that by Protestant testimonie this Catholicke position hath beene allowed and confirmed by generall Councell which is performed by D. Willet writing thus The Greeks in a generall Willet Antilog pag. 169. Councell held at Nyâ—e confirmed and allowed the Adoration of Imadges about the Time of Adrian the first And their Theater hath lyke words Againe thus I argue That doctrine which the true Churche by Protestants Iudgment embraceth is by them to be receaued and beleeued But the doctrine of the Romane Church is the same in this poynt with that of their true Church the Greeke Church Therefore it is to be receaued and beleeued of them The Maior is proued before And the Minor by the Relator of Religion Relation of Religion cap. 54. himself who seeketh this Attinement for speaking of the Christian Gretians hee writeth thus They holde
the pictures of the Cherubyns Then if the pictures of Cherubins being mere Creatures were publickly in the temple worshipped how much more is the picture and Imadge of their and our Lord Iesus Christ to be had in reuerence and so to be vsed And so of Imadges of his seruants and Saincts in their due proportion Because the Saincts themselues may be honored and prayed vnto as I am to proue by these Protestants in the next chapter And this is further proued by these Protestant Theat of gr Britt pag. 342. n. 2. Bishop in their Theater where they testifie in these words By the cleargie that are accompted the light of the worlde in a Councell at Rome held vnder Pope Constantyne the first it was decreed and commaunded that carued Imadges should be made to the memoriall of Saints and should be set vp in Churches with respectiue adoration Which is to be referred vnto and terminated in the prototypa Saints represented by such Imadges and by such Images yeelded vnto them and in them ended And in an other place they call such Imadges Monuments of Christian Religion and sufficiently proue they were euen from the time of Christ both vsed for the memory and reuerence of Christ or his Saints whome they represented Their words of the miraculous Imadge erected in honor of Christ by the woman in the Ghospell cured by the hemm of his garment touched and reuerenced by her testified by Eusebius and others are these Iulian the Apostata destroyeth all monuments of Theat pag. 266. Christian Religion amonge others the Imadge of Christ made of brasse at Caesarea Philippi where the miraculously curing herbe grewe And they condemne him for this wickednes in ouerthrowing that Imadge erected to the honor of Christ and miraculously confirmed both to be religeously erected to his honor and so continued But let vs come into our owne nation where they will giue vs some light though by them misted what they can in what reuerence these haue beene vsed in this Iland euen from the first conuersion of the Brittaynes and euer after both with Kings and subiects Of Subiects thus they write In Diocletian his time a thowsand Saints suffered Martyrdome at Lichfeild in Theat pag. 206. n. 19. memorye whereof the citye beareth armes to this day in an Eschacheon of Landskip sondry parsons diuersly martyred Of our Christian primatiue Kings Pag. 207. n. 22. first they write thus Our Kings ranked for sanctitie before all other potentates of the earth as Vincentius Pag. 206. n. 20. recordeth Then thus The virgin Mary with her sonne in her Armes in the ensigne of Arthur so often desplayed for Christ doth shewe the badge of that ages Christianitie And againe In Pag. 207. n. 21. the auntient Charters of the fowndation of Glastenbury it is called Origo Religionis in Anglia in an other Tumulum Sanctorum ab ipsis discipulis Domini aedificatum fuisse vener abilem The beginninge of Religion in England that it was a graue of Saints builded by the disciples of our Lord and vener able Kinge Arthur benefactor vnto it his Armes there an Escucheon whereon a crosse with the virgin Mary in the first quarter is set and held to be the Armes of that Abbey And further of our English Kings in this order from the yeare of Christ 643. they testifie how they honoured these holy Imadges in their moste honorable Ensignes and badges of honor Kinge Oswy giueth Pag. 385. n. c. a playne crosse in euery part a Lyon Rampant The next Kinge Wlfhere a S. Andrewes crosse So these Kings following Kinge Ethelred Kenred Chelred Ethelbald Offa Egfride Kenwolfe to the yeare 800. And so they recompt after of Kinge Egbert Ethelwolfe Ethelbald Ethelbert Ethelred Elfred Edward syrnamed the elder Ethelstan Edmund Edred Edwy Edgar Edward syrnamed the Martyr Ethelred Edmund syrnamed Ironsyde and Edward the Confessor And of these English Kings in an other place they write in this maner The Saxons before Kinge William his time vsed onely Pag. 424. n. 60. to signe their Charters with guilt crosses and such markes So greate and respectiue regard our blessed Kings of that happy age bore vnto such Imadges signes and remembrances of our Sauiour and his holy Saints that euen in their temporall actions they euer had them in presence and memory Much more in Churches and places of holy worshipp where they vsed them in as religeous respects as the Romane Church doth at this time as wee may gather by the very words of these Protestants in this booke where they write of Kinge Inas esteemed a Saint by these men themselues in these Theat pag. 298. 299. words Kinge Ine buildeth the renowned Abbey of Glastenbury moste stately to the honor of Christ Peter and Paule where formerly stood the old cell of Ioseph of Aremathea which this Kinge Ina after a most sumptuous maner new built the chapell whereof hee garnished with gold and syluer and gaue rich ornaments thereto as Altare Chalice Censor Candlesticks Bason and holy water buckett Imadges and pale for the Altare of an incredible value And how these Imadges were vsed so placed in cheefest place of adoration and with such other Instruments of Catholicke worshipp wee cannot make a question If wee should they will direct vs and make it euident that such reuerence as Catholicks now vse was then vsed vnto them Their words of Kinge Canutus are these Canutus the Danes Theat pag. 205. n. 17. greatest Kinge so soone as hee became a Christian in England held it his cheefest maiestie to be the vassall of Christ And with such deuotion as then was taught crowned the Crucifixe at Winchester with the crowne hee wore and neuer after through all his Raigne by any meanes would weare the same CHAPTER X. WHEREIN THE CATHOLICKE doctrine of prayer and honor to Saincts and Angells is proued true by these English Protestants writers NEXT I must by the Protestant Relator his order entreate of Supplication to Saints and to Angells consequently Of this matter thus wee reade in the Councell of Trent The holy Councell doth commaunde Concil trident sess 9. all Bishops and others which haue the office and chardge of teaching That according to the vse of the Catholicke and Apostolicke Church receaued from the primatiue times of Christian Religion and the consent of holy Fathers and decrees of holy Councells cheefely that they diligently instruct the faithfull of the Intercession of Saincts Inuocation honor of Relicks and lawfull vse of Imadges teaching them that it is good that the Saincts which raigne with Christ offer their prayers to God for men and that it is profitable humbly to call vppon them and to fly to their prayers ayde and helpe to obtayne benefites of God by his sonne Iesus Christ our Lord who alone is our Redeemer and Sauiour Hitherto the doctrine of Catholicks in this Question Now let vs argue from these English Protestants to the same purpuse First I
Minor now thus proued by them M. Perkins speaching of the doctrine of that time in the Church in this matter speaketh thus There was in the Church Intercessio singularium Perlins probl pag. 89. prosingularibus Intercession to Saincts in particular for men or things in particular This hee testifieth for inuocation to Saincts and their prayers for men in particular for hee had with other Protestants graunted before a generall Intercession of the Saincts for those that lyue Pag. 88 sup And citeth for particular inuocation the histories of Eusebius and Palladius And addeth further thus The auncient Fathers were wont in their Masses In liturgijs to recite the names of Pag. 89. sup Martyrs and Saincts requiring further and asking our Lord that hee would graunt this or that by their prayers or intercessions Hee might haue Pag. 93. sup added more with truth if it had pleased him that those Auncient Masses or liturgies had diuers particular prayers vnto Saincts And this doctrine of particular prayer and inuocation of Saincts was so generally vsed both in the publicke Masses and by the Fathers of that time That this Protestant writer both freely acknowledgeth it and calleth it syn and sacriledge in them his words be these The auntient Fathers especially Perkins sup pag. 93. after 400. yeares of Christ did syn in the inuocation of Saincts yea were guiltie of sacriledge And for this doctrine so chargeth amonge others these holy and learned Fathers S. Pag. 94. sup Paulinus Fortunatus S. Leo S. Ephrem S. Fulgentius P. Damianus Prosper c. And this is the straunge Idolatrie wherewith some of these men haue so fondly accused Catholicks and therefore notwithstanding all their shewe of desire to be tryed by the Fathers M. Ormerod seeing how they Ormerod pict pap pag. 26. condemne Protestants for deniall of this prayer and inuocation speaketh thus of those holy and learned Fathers They did not ponderously consider of this question Is not this a ponderous consideration of so worthie a Protestant writer to condemne all antiquitie of want of consideration when the lett not with his humour and yet hee writeth further thus Allthough the Auncient Fathers Pag. 27. sup had all ioyntly embraced this opinion yet are not wee therefore bownd to receaue it Where hee dealeth as old Protestants were vsed to doe not to regard any Authoritie but what pleaseth them But to proue by the confession of Protestants that this was the doctrine of the primatiue Church this is sufficient Yet I add M. Middleton who writeth Middleton papistom pag. 129. thus Austin teacheth vs That Christians celebrated the memories of Martyrs for these two intents That wee may be associate to their meritts and holpen with their prayers And D. Morton alledgeth Morton Apol. part 1. pag. 227. 228. how all Antiquitie taught inuocation of Saincts Lastely in this Question I argue thus No doctrine which denieth any Article of our Creede is true or to be receaued But the deniall of Angells and more strongely of Saincts whose Communion is in the Creede to offer vpp our prayers which wee in earth make is to deny an Article of our Creede Therefore it is not true nor to be receaued The Maior is euident by Protestants The Minor is thus proued by D. Couell Couell against Burges pag. 89. who disputing against Burges the puritane who called this an vsurping vntruthe and taxed the Booke of Tobias because there the Angell saide hee was one of the seuen holy Angells that offer vp the prayers of the Saincts of God Answereth Couell sup pag. 90. in these words If it be an an vsurped vntruthe for the Angells to offer vp the prayers of the Church vnto God in the mediation of his sonne wee shall peraduenture depriue our selues of a greate parte of their Ministery and dissolue that communion of Saincts which wee professe to beleeue as an Article of Gods truthe Therefore I will by these Protestants conclude in this matter that the doctrine of the Romane Church herein is Orthodoxe and true and the contrary heretofore taught by Protestants false and impious And the rather because it seemeth by the Kings Canons to be excommunication Kings Canons An. 1604. can 8. to deny this Catholicke doctrine for in these Canons it is excommunication Ipso facto to affirme or teach that the forme and maner of making and consecrating Bishops Preists and deacens conteyneth any thinge in it that is repugnant to the word of God And yet the Protestant Author of the booke called Abridgment thus Abridgmēt An. 1605. pag. 30. testifieth of the oathe in that Booke of ordination The oathe of supreamacie is thus concluded so helpe mee God and all Saincts and the holy Euangelists Which the late edition by Barker Booke of Mak. Bish c deacons Oath sup hath left out The Churches that were dedicated to Saints in this Kingedome euen in the time of the Christian Britaynes and Saxons after the honor and worship that was done and due vnto them how they are named euen by Protestants the Tutelar patrons of our nation there be to many Theat of gr Britan. Examples in the late Theater to be recited CHAPTER XI WHEREIN IS PROVED BY these English Protestant writers that the Ceremonies of the Romane Church so much heretofore impugned by them are now contrariwise in their Iudgment adiudged holy auncient reuerent decent c. THE third thinge which the Protestant Relator in this his desired Attonement requireth the Church of Rome to giue ouer is to leaue their offensyue Ceremonies as hee termeth them what they be in particular hee doth not expresse but by the writings of others his Associates in Religion wee may iustely suppose hee moste aymeth at the ceremonyes vsed in the holy sacrifice of Masse crossings candells and such as I will iustifie by themselues in this Chapter particularly reciting them or the cheefest which I now omitt in this place to auoyde Repetitions to which I am often forced And first concerninge Ceremonyes by what Authoritie they may be ordayned and being so duely ordayned of what authoritie and reuerent estimation they ought to be ensueth thus by these Protestants Their publicke Articles haue thus Articul Relig. 20. sentenced The Church hath power to decree Rites or ceremonyes and authoritie in controuersies of faith Then much more must that her authoritie needs extend to accidentall things in Religion such as these ceremonies are D. Couell Couell modest examinat pag. 64. 65. telleth vs they be to be had in such Respect that to vse his words The primatiue Councells haue condemned them as Hereticks onely for being stiffely opposite in this kinde And entreateth Couell sup pag. 56. of them in these words following Wee call them Ceremonies properly all such things as are the externall Act of Religion which haue their commendation and allow ance from no other cause but onely that in Gods worshipp they are vertuous furtherances of his
in his Iudgment the Indulgence or release as the nature thereof requireth must be free and liberall and not a commutation or chaunge for guifts or money which in Protestants denying the enioyninge of penance must needs be wicked and Symoniacall Fourthly thus I argue Whosoeuer graunt and allowe Authoritie to absolute penitents in confession both a paena culpa from the punishment and guilt of synne must mayntaine the doctrine of Indulgences But these English Protestants graunt authoritie to absolue both from the guilt and punishment of synne therefore they must mayntayne the doctrine of Indulgences The Maior proposition is often proued and allowed before The Minor is thus demonstratiuely confirmed out of the communion Booke receaued in the Kings Canons where in the Com. Booke Tit. visitat of the sicke treatise of the visitation of the sicke their Rule and direction is sett downe in these wordes Here shall the sicke parson make a speciall confession if hee feele his conscience troubled with any weightie Matter After which confession the preist shall absolue him after this sorte Our Lord IESVS CHRIST whoe hath left power in this Church to absolue all sinners which truely repent and beleeue in him of his greate mercie forgiue thee thine offences and by his authoritie committed to mee I absolue thee from all thy sins in the name of the Father and of the Sonne and of the holy Ghost Amen Where wee see not onely a Iuridicall and authoritatiue absolution from all sins giuen by Protestants diuinitie by the Preists as there they call their Ministers expressed in these Iudiciall and iuridicall words the Preist shall absolue him Christ hath left power in his Church to absolue all sinners by his authoritie committed to mee I absolue thee from all thy sins c. But also as full and powerable authoritie arrogated and vsurped of them to giue plenatie pardons and Indulgences of the seueritie due for sin before by their owne confession and that in more lardge illimited and ample order then the Pope himself teacheth or practizeth For first they generally hold that notwithstanding any punishment or seueritie that such a parson had deserued for his sinnes yett after their such absolution and authoritatiue Indulgence without any penance to bee performed either in this life or in Purgatorie which they deny presently after the separation of his soule from the bodie hee is in heauen and euer dureing happines Secondly their Rubricke and Religion is to giue these plenarie pardons to all requesting them Thirdly euery priuate minister is allowed to giue these plenaries which neither Preists nor Bishops themselues with vs can ordinarily doe Fourthly they giue these there plenary Indulgences without any iust cause or any cause of pietie at all which the Pope himself neuer doth concerning Bull. Martini Extrau vnigenitus such punishments for sins as are payed in purgatorie or the like as is euident not onely by the writings of all moderne Catholicks of this time but by these lawes Clementâ—â— 6. Bonau d. 20. 1. p. q. vlt. Ric. ibidem q. 1. ma. q. 2. Gabr. lect 57. in can Missa GersoÌ„ q. de hacre Aug. de Ancon in summa q. 30. ar 4. 5. Adr. Ca. Sot Cord. Ledesm q. 20. c. Canons and former Catholicke Doctors here cited and others Lastely thus I argue whosoeuer teach the distinction of mortall and veniall sins depriuinge not depriuing of grace allowe seueritie punishmeÌ„t for sinne both coÌ„mitted and remitted denying purgatorie say all the elect presently after death are in heauen must needs teach the doctrine of Indulgences and in more ample maner then catholicks doe But the English Protestants before and commonely soe teache Therfore they must so allowe of Indulgences Bothe propositions are euidently true and confessed by Protestants and neede no probation Therefore the catholick doctrine of Indulgences may not bee denied by English ProtestaÌ„ts They theÌ„selues though in words denying yett in practice exercisinge it in an higher measure then is vsed by the Pope himself as I haue proued before And may further add from their communion booke where it is registred in these wordes In the Com. Booke tit commination § Brethren primatiue Church there was a godly discipline that at the begynninge of Lent such parsons as were notorious synners were putt to open penance and punished in this world that their soules might be saued in the day of the Lord and that other admonished by their example might be the more afraide to offend That the said discipline may be restored is a thinge much to be wished Where they graunt not onely a punishment for example of others to take heed to offend and to satisfie their congregation but to satisfy God for their syns committed against him by their words to be putt to penance and punished in this worlde that their soules might be saued in the day of the Lorde For as their frend M. Higgons publickly preached and with priuiledge printed As Theoph. Higg ser 3. Mart. An. 1610. there is a death in syn and a death to syn so there is a double resurrection the first à culpa from syn the second à paena from the punishment which followeth therevppon Therefore these men graunting such temporall punishments due for syn euen when and where the culpa syn or guilt is forgiuen and yett not exercising any such discipline or punishment for syn must needs in their owne proceedings allowe of Indulgences in a farre more large ample or rather prodigall and presumpteous maner then is or at any time was vsed in the Church of Rome CHAPTER XIII Of the publicke Seruice of the churche in Latine or greeke and not in the vulgare Tonges NOW lett vs speake of the Relators laste scruple a straunge Tonge in deâ—â—tions as hee termeth our latine church seruice which allthough it bee both in it self and his Iudgment a matter ceremoniall in Religion and soe entreated of and proued before yett I will breefely iustifie it by these Protestants themselues in particular and argue thus That which was the practice of the churche of Christ from the first conuersion of nations vnto him vntill this age of Protestants is still to bee obserued or lawfully may But the publicke church seruice to bee in the latine tonge in this part of the worlde wherein wee liue was euer soe vsed and practized Therefore still it ought or may bee soe lawfully continued The first proposition is euidently true and before often graunted by these Protestants The seconde is thus proued by D. Doue Protestant Bishop of Doue persuasion Pag. 23. 24. cap. of prayer Peterboroughe his words bee these Vntill of late sc these dayes of protestancie throughout the west part of the worlde publicke prayers were in Latine in the east part in Greeke euen amonge those nations to whome these languadges were no mother tonges And this the confesseth to haue beene the custome from the first conuersion of nations For these two
there by them esteemed truly worthie of honor And how honorable such holy Relicks haue euer beene especially in this nation from the first conuersion thereof to Christ these Protestants themselues in their Theateâ— though so much as they can suppressing all honor and memory of such things will sufficiently testifie Concerninge the often and frequent pilgrimadges to Rome to visitt and reuerence the holy monuments and relicks there they haue told vs before in these words Not onely Preists and lay men vowed and Theat pag. 305. performed pilgrimadges to Rome but Kings Queenes and Bishops also did the like And in particular in these words Kinge Kenred abandoned both crowne Pag. 307. and contry and went to Rome where of Pope Constantine hee receaued the tonsure and habit of a monke at the Apostles tombes Kings Cadwallader and Pag. 164. Chodwald if not both one abandoned their kingedoms about the yeare 682. touke habitt of Religion in Rome so Kinge Iuor a Brittaine and Kinge Iue a Saxon. Ceadwalla King of the west Saxons goeth on Pag. 298. pilgrimadge to Rome Kinge Inas after hee had raigned Pag. 298. in greate prosperitie 37. yeares and odd moneths professing voluntary pouertie went to Rome where in the habitt of a Religeous man hee ended his life in pore estate Kinge Osroy vowed a pilgrimadge to Rome Pag. 338. 345. Pag. 391. Kinge Offa in greate deuotion went to Rome I haue spoken before how Kinge Canatus went on pilgrimadge to Rome to visitt the sepulchres of S. Peter and S. Paule And so of others And Pag. 285. for Hierusalem so farr and daungerously distant thus they write Yt was an auntient custome to goe to Hierusalem on pilgrimadge with a redd crosse worne on their backe whence the name crosse-backe or in old English crouche-backe was to them attributed Whence Edmund Earle of Lancaster second sonne to Henry 3. gott that name So the crouched or Pag. 92. crossed friers And of Princes in particular thus they write Lagman Kinge of man gaue ouer his kingdome tooke the crosse wento to Hierusalem They tell vs also of Q. Helena a most vertuous religeous Pag. 205. c. 258. brittish Lady Mother to Emperor Constantine the greate her pilgrimadge to Hierusalem And agayne Offa heire to the crowne of Eastangles vppon Pag. 311. a Religeous deuotion tooke his pilgrimadge to the sepulchre of Christ And agayne Swayne eldest sonne Pag. 400. of Earle Goodwyn so potent against K. Edward the Confessor vppon a remorse of Conscience vndertooke a pilgrimadge to Hierusalem and in his returne dyed in Lycia Of Robert Father to Kinge William the Pag. 413. first they write in this maner Seeing at the city phalesia in Normandy a moste bewtifull damsell called Arlett tooke her to his bedd he begatt on her William his onely sonne and after vppon a remorse of Conscience vndertooke a pilgrimadge vnto Hierusalem from whence hee neuer againe returned Duke Robert intending his pious pilgrimadge vnto the holy Land assembled all his nobilitie caused them to sweare fealtie vnto his sonne William beeing then but seuen yeares old Entering Iury not able to trauayle was borne in a litter vppon the Saracens sholders and neare vnto the cytie meetinge a returning pilgryme desired him to report in his contrie what hee there sawe which is said hee I am caried to heauen vppon the deuills backe And to leaue forreine contries with their holy places and relicks thus reuerenced this our owne nation as it visited other contries in this respect so in the same also it was visited and frequented of them Thus they write Charles Kinge of Fraunce congratulated Pag. 345. Kinge Offa with letters of Gladnes both for his victories and Christian piecie in his land embraced desiring of Offa safe conduct for such his subiects as come to his contry in deuotion to God In which amonge other places Glastenbury was renowned for â—hat Rectory to vse their words was in the Pag. 207. charters of Edgar Edmund Elfred Edward Bringwalthius Kentwin Baldred Ina Kenwall the Conqueror Rufus and others continually termed THE GRAVE OF SAINCTS THE MOTHER CHVRCH THE DISCIPLES FOVNDATION Of the hand of Kinge Oswald thus they write After his death Pag. 337. it neuer consumed but was shrined in siluer in S. Peters Church at Bedda now Bambrough with worthy honor was worshipped for the miracles and cuers that Pag 364. it did as likewise the earth wherein his blood was spilt They tell vs also of the pilgrimadge and reuerence to the Relicks of S. Ihon of Beuerly Pag. 391. both by Kings and subiects Kinge Canutus before offered vp his crowne vppon the Martyrs Saint Edmunds tombe And honored the body of S. Elphegus at the translation 392. Pag. 83. of it from London to Canterbury The Relicks of S. Cuthbert at Durham were visited in pilgrimadge and reuerenced by our Kings and others They tell vs how the bodies of Pag. 294. the two yonge Princes Nephewes to K. Egbert were miraculously reuealed their names Ethelred and Etherbert and greately reuerenced Of K. Kenelme thus they write Pag 307. 308. Murthered obscurely buried but miraculously knowne and afterwards with greate honor and ceremony translated to the Monastery of Winchcombe which his father founded And so of that glorious and noble Saint Neote supposed to bee the sonne of Pag. 351. 352. Kinge Ethelwolfe brought vp at Glastenbury Hee planted a Monastery in Cornewall whereunto hee vsed for deuotion and studious meditation beeing one of the first diuinitie Readers in Oxford often to withdrawe himself which of his aboade there was afterwards called NEOTESTOKE and when hee was deade his body was with greate honor interred in the countrie of Huntington at a place then called ANVLFESBVRIE and afterward in regard of his Interment Saint Neotes and now Saint Needs And in the same shire of Huntington at S. Iues Pag. 57. they tell vs that S. Iue a Persian an Heremite beeing buryed his body was vncorrupted in Robes Episcopall Had in greate honor and the towne tooke denomination of him And so of others to many to bee recited CHAPTER XV. Of the reall presence of Christ and transsubstantiation in the blessed Sacrament of the Altare BECAVSE I would bee loath to omitt any one question especially of moment wherein these Protestants take exceptioÌ„ against the doctrine of the Church of Rome I will next make recitall what their two greate writers D. Sutcliff and D. Willet most dislike therein and Answere it vnto them and all others in whatsoeuer not before allowed and iustified by their owne writers D. Sutcliff making mention of those Articles Sutcliff Subu pag. 44. which hee supposeth wee cannot iustifie onely reciteth these that followe Reall presence Transsubstantiation the sacrifice of Christs bodie for the quicke and deade halfe communion Popes supreamacie Indulgences worshipping of Imadges and Purgatorie D. Willet as before assigneth these that Willet Antil pag. 264.
thought the sanctified and consecrated Elements to bee the bodie of Christ Where hee plainely confesseth that those primatiue Fathers ment as they spoke and both spake and ment as Catholicks now doe that Christ is really present there And that there was a substantiall chaunge or transsubstantiation of the breade and wine into the bodie and blood of Christ Secondly D. Downame tolleth vs Downame l. 2. Antich pag. 110. that S. Ambrose one of his cited Authors speaketh thus Wee adore in the misteries that flesh of Christ which the Apostles adored in the Lord IESVS Then if the same flesh of Christ which was adored of the Apostles is both present in this Sacrament and to bee adored that Doctor did speake of a true and substaÌ„tial conuersion and mutation Thirdly hee is so cleare in this point for Catholicks that M. Middleton not knowing how to glosse him yett more then inconsiderately angry with that holy and Learned Sainct and Doctor for that his doctrine speaketh of him in these prophane termes Hee is guiltie of presumptuous Middleton papistom pag. 61. and desperate blasphemie Fourthly M. Perkins before citeth and numbreth with the other auncient Fathers Algerus who Alger l. contra Bereng wrote expressely against Berengarius in the question of transsubstantiation and in his booke extant in that matter handeleth and confuteth the obiections of carnall reason against it in the some order as the present scholemen doe And it is so manifest that hee taught this doctrine of transsubstantiation which the other as then an Hereticke denied that M. Middleton confesseth that Berengarius Middleton papistom pag. 94. 95. in his Recantation beginning Ego Berengarius c. did so far aknowledg the real presence Transsubstantiation that hee thinketh the Catholicks of this time rather suppose hee confessed to much then to little in that Matter And the present Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury speaketh of him in these words Berengarius in deed was onely called Abbots against D. Hil pag. 60 in question for denying of Transsubstantiation in the Sacrament and hâ—e yeelded once or twice to recant and abiure the doctrine which hee held Then they which write against him and all those Learned Fathers cited by M. Perkins before consenting with them as hee confesseth must needs maintaine the reall presence of Christ and Transsubstantiation And those Protestants of England which defend the contrary must needs bee Heretiks for that cause as is thus by a new argument proued from their owne Protestant Archbishop Whosoeuer maintayne a doctrine publickly and Iuridically recaÌ„ted abiured be Hereticks But al English Sacramentaries bee such Therefore they bee Hereticks and the contrary is true Catholicke doctrine The Maior is euidently true And the Minor proued before by their cited Archbishop teaching which they all confesse that the recanted and abiured heresie of Berengarius is the same which they defend Againe thus I argue whatsoeuer thinge beeing Christs bodie when it is receaued of vs and is with deuotion to bee receaued because it is his bodie and is after an ineffable maner his bodie and by grace made Christs bodie and is his bodie present in the sanctified elements is the true bodie of Christ But the B. Sacrament of the Eucharist is so Therefore it is the true bodie of Christ The Maior is manifestly true And the Minor thus proued by these Protestants First D. Doue Protestant Bishop of Peterborough Doue persuas pag. 28. writeth thus As often as wee bee made partakers of the Lords Table wee recreaue the Lords bodie because hee hath said it his owneself Wee receaue it with reuerence and deuotion because it is his bodie And approueth the Catholick doctrine of Bishop Gardiner and others saying with allowance thus Stephen Gardiner and the learned of their Church were wont to say it was his bodie ineffabili modo after an vnspeakable maner after such a maner as mens tonges could not vtter And so say all Catholicks at this day numbering this amonge the greate mysteries of Christian Religion as the auncient fathers did Whereby the sacramentaries are confounded For to say or thinke that breade and wyne may bee figures of Christs bodie and blood as many other things are and diuers things bee figures of others is neither vnspeakable or not able to bee vttered but a thinge so easie to bee conceaued and spoken that euery ignorant man can both without difficultie conceaue and vtter it Againe the same Protestant Bishop thus writeth of Catholicks in Doue supr England If they will receaue at our hands wee will not bee ouer hastie with them to examine them how they doe expound the words Hoc est Corpus meum this is my bodie Which no man of conscience and learning can write much lesse a pretender to bee a Bishop and Pastor except hee doth inwardly thinke the Catholicke doctrine of Transsubstantiation and the reall presence to bee true otherwise hee should admitt both men that bee vnworthy in some of their IudgmeÌ„ts Idolaters to the greatest SacrameÌ„t which cannot bee excused from moste heynous sin To him I add M. Middleton speaking Middleton papistom pag. 106. in this maner Though breade by nature bee but a prophane common Element appointed of God to feede our bodies yett by grace it pleaseth the Lord to make it his bodie D. Feild as before writeth thus â—he Feild pag. 1â—0 bodie of Christ is present in and with the sanctified Elements Therefore there is a reall presence and Transsubstantiation Further thus I reason That which by the omnipotencie of God is made Christs bodie and is that in which Christ is really present and in which there is probably taught transsubstantiation of breade into Christs bodie that which by antiquitie was said to bee made Christs bodie and is the flesh which was giuen for the life of the worlde is verely and truely the bodie of Christ But the Eucharist is thus Therefore it is the true bodie of Christ The Maior proposition is euident And the second thus proued by D. Couell whose words of this sacred misterie bee these The omnipotencie of Christ maketh Couell def of Hooker pag. 276. it his bodie Wee all agree in a reall presence And speakinge of the maner how Christ is miraculously made present there hee writeth thus Wee must truly beleeue that Christ is there Couell def pag. 116. 117. sup present Which because some irreligeous men at the first doubted men haue beene driuen to finde out these reasonable satisfactions or rather satisfactions to humane reason from his omnipotencie transsubstantiation or such like whereas in deede wee knowe that in many misteries of our faith it is sufficient to beleeue the thinge though wee cannot comprehend the maner how And citeth there the highe misterie of the Trinitie the Resurrection and this blessed Sacrament to bee of that kinde Then seeing by this allowance it is so certaine that Christ is really present there that it is Irreligion to doubt
this Iland amonge the brittans The Altar was called the seate of the Theater pag. 317. sup n. 6. celestiall sacrifice And againe whereas D. Morton hath graunted before That Sacrifice and preisthood are Relatiues which bee of an vnseperable nature Both hee and all others that now so earnestly contend to haue themselues accounted Preists must as much labour for this externall sacrifice which as hee affirmeth is vnseperable from preisthood Otherwise if they shall agayne fly vpp and downe to their fantasied spirituall preisthood and sacrifice Queene Elizabeth if her prayers and deuotions had beene as greate was as good a Preist As S. Peter was and D. Mortons Mother grandmother beldame and all women of his kiudred or in the world if their vertue were equall were as good Preists as hee if hee were a true Preist which I deny And yet they all agree that all woman sexe and kinde is vncapable of holy preisthood Againe D. Morton with his frend Theodore Bibliander Morton App. pag. in sacrif assuer vs that the Rabbins before Christ did teach that those which receaued the Messias should in place of the sacrifices of Moses lawe haue an externall sacrifice in breade and wine and called it Thoda Which is sufficient for this place purpoÌ„se where I onely proue that there is in Christian Religion an external sacrifice to succeed the sacrifices of the Lawe for that this sacrifice though begun in breade and wyne is the blessed body and blood of Christ I haue proued by these Protestants in the former chapter And this which I contend in this place is playnely graunted vnto mee by Casaubon wrighting in Casaub resp ad Card. Per. pag. 51. 52. c. our Kings name and by his commaund as hee protesteth and in these words neither is the Kinge Ignorant nor denieth that the fathers of the primatiue Church did acknowledge one sacrifice in Christian Religion that succeeded in the place of the sacrifices of Moses Lawe And accordinge to this it is confessed by other Protestants allowinge also the doctrine of the primatiue fathers for a Rule to vs The words of M. Middleton are these The sacrifice of the Altare Middlet Papist pag. 92. 113. and vnbloody sacrifice were vsed in the primatiue Church and the auntient fathers called the sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ a sacrifice And agayne The primatiue Church did offer sacrifice at the Pag. 49. sup Pag. 137. 138. 47. 45. Altare for the deade Sacrifice for the deade was a â—radition of the Apostles and the auntient fathers Then if this was from the beginninge true and Catholick doctrine to offer sacrifice and say Masse for the deade much rather for â—he liuinge and so both for the lyuing and the deade in Protestants Iudgment And so both the forme of our holy preisthood Receaue power to offer sacrifice in the Church for the liuinge and deade And also holy sacrifice of Masse offered for such purpose by a duely consecrated Preist is holy and acceptable before God And all English Protestants that shall deny it ar not onely within the Anathema of the Councell of Trent in these words If any man shall say that in the Masse a true and CoÌ„cil Trid. Sess 6. cap. 1. de Sacrif Miss proper sacrifice is not offered lett him bee Anathema But subiect to the cursse and condemnation of the primatiue Church against Aëâ—ius the Hereticke and his complices as their owne Doctors Feild and Couell are wittnesses in this maner Aërius condemned the custome of the Church Feild pag. 138. l. 3. cap. 29. Couel Exam. pag. 114. in naminge the deade at the Altare and offeringe the sacrifice of Eucharist for them and for this his rash and Inconsiderate boldnes and presumption in condemninge the vniuersall Church of Christ hee was iustly condemned How much more then are these present Protestants worthie condemnation who do not onely contemne the doctrine and custome of the present Romane Greeke and vniuersall Church of Christ in this so greately concerning question but against their owne Iudgments with rash inconsiderate boldnes and presumption condemne the vniuersall primatiue Church anâ— confederate themselues with Hereticks iâ— their owne Iudgment iustly condemned against it And contrarywise this holy Catholicke doctrine of Masse or Sacrifice foâ— the liuing and deade by our Enemies allowance a Tradition of the Apostles vse and custome of the vniuersall Church of Christ in the primatiue and best florishing estate thereof and euer since continued is inuiolably to bee maintayned CHAPTER XVII OF THE SINGLE AND CHASTE life of Preists and vowes of chastitie NOw lett vs come to that doleful and heauie Question to these maried Protestant Church men To proue by them also the auncient and true Catholicke doctrine and practice of the single and chaste life of Preists and vowes of chastitie The contrary wanton licentious and sacriledgeous libertie vnto this and other works of perfection whillfull pouertie and obedienâ—e as it first made way for Protestant hereâ—es into the world as appeareth by their Apostle Luther and the rest presently vppon â—heir reuolt for chastitie pouertie and obeâ—ience which they had vowed for the most â—art giuing themselues ouer to their contraâ—es Lust Riches Rule so it is to this day â— vnpleasing a thinge in this Epicurean â—ct that they cannot endure to follow the â—nons either of the Latine Church vnder whose obedience they should bee if thy will shew any at all or to the Greâ—ke Church eyther as will appeare in this chapter howsoeuer they will seeme to allowe thereof especially in this Article of later dayes vsing more libertie therein then other Churches But to omitt all things of discontentment to this people I argue thus That doctrine and practice which is a worke of perfection profitable vnto or making perfect the members of Christs misticall bodie his Church ought to bee allowed and practized of them that call themselues the perfect and reformed Church especially in that sorte of people or some greate part of them that are or would bee esteemed the moste perfect reformed guides and directors to others as their ministers pronounce themselues to bee But the doctrine and practice of single and chaste life and vowes of chastitie Bee such Therefore to bee embraced and allowed of these Protestants otherwise they haue not the perfect and reformed but vnperfect and deformed Church The first proposition is euidently true and in the light of nature too grosse absurdities doe followe in denying it The second proposition is at lardge proued by these Protestants in the chapter of precepts and Cap. 7. sup counsailes before from whence at this time I will onely shew by D. Couells testimonie that it is so absurde to deny it that hee would free all Protestants from it His words of the workes of perfection bee these In these points all haue not holden the same opinions Couell def of Hooker pag. 52. some thought the counsailes to bee of the some necessitie
is also the other being one and the same The second proposiâ—ion Doue persuas pag. 27. 28. is thus proued by D. Doue Protestant Bishop of Peterboroug in these words Concerning the number of Sacraments wee will not dispute for accordinge to their Catholicks definition of a Sacrament there bee seuen Then much more as I haue demonstrated there must bee so many by Protestants definition of Sacraments As for his ouerplus number more then seuen which hee addeth if hee can proue it hee shall deserue better then in writing that booke in findeing forth more holy instruments of grace and sanctification then hitherto haue beene knowne in the meane time God graunte him more and better knowledge with grace But in that hee graunteth our number of seuen Sacraments according to our definition it is as much as wee contend and all which hitherto they haue denyed for when Catholicks entreate of Sacraments their number grace forme matter Character c. they speake of them accordinge as they are defined and taken in the Catholicke Churche and schooles and come not to Protestants either to define or determine them or any other question in Religion Yett as before except I am to old to remember my Logicke or this Bishop neuer did or now will not vnderstand it if the definition of Catholicks more particulare and limited extendeth to seuen Sacraments That of Protestants more lardge or generall will stretch as farre and further except the lesse is greater then that which is greater then it two more then three the Species more ample in Logicke then Genus and in grammar our degrees of comparison bee altered the positiue turned into the comparatiue superlatiue and contrary I argue againe in this maner wheresoeuer in controuersie of any question in Religion betweene two societies whereof one is in the truthe the aduerse parte it self doth graunt that their opinion is not true by their owne proceedings There the contrary is to bee adiudged true otherwise against the supposition neither should haue the truthe but both be in error But in this questioÌ„ this is the case between Catholicks and Protestants the Protestants acknowleding more Sacraments by their proceedeings then twoe Therefore the Catholicke doctrine of seuen Sacraments is true The Maior is infallibly true and so proued by Protestants graunteing generally either their Religion and doctrine or that of Catholicks Petition of 22. preachers excep 3. against comm Booke Suruey of the Booke of comm prayer pag. 117. quaest 26. pag. 134 135. 132. 133. 120. to be true The Minor is proued by the 22. preachers of london in their petition who resolutely affirme that Protestants must needs yeeld to more then two by their proceedings Therefore to the Catholicke doctrine of seuen Sacraments els their supposition should be false and all Religions in error in so greate a Question Which is further confirmed by the Protestant Surueyors of their communion booke teacheing the same doctrine and expressely iustifyinge it in Confirmation Penance and Matrimonie And to shew their opinion and censure in this thinge to be iust I demonstrate both them and the rest to bee Sacraments by English Protestant proceedings in this maner by the thinges they require to a Sacrament Whatsoeuer is a visible Signe or ceremonie ordeyned of God or a visible signe with grace is a Sacrament But all those seuen taught by Catholicks are such therefore they are Sacraments The Maior is the Protestants definition of a Sacrament as the same 22. 22. Preachers in petition sup excep 2. Protestant preachers testifie euen from their approued bookes of Articles and Communion and the Booke of Articles it self to which all Ministers subscribe testifieth in these words Sacraments ordeined by Articles of Religion artic 25. Christ be certaine suer wittnesses and effectuall signes of grace and Gods good will towardes vs by the which hee doth worke inuisibly in vs c. All which being not onely graunted by Catholickes but further expressely that to the worthie receauers they conteyne and giue grace ex opere operato of themselues where due preparation and disposition is as the Councell of Trent hath declared CoÌ„cil TrideÌ„t decret de Sacram. sup which is all and more then Protestants ordinarily require to Sacraments it must needs followe by D. Doue his graunt before that all those seuen esteemed by Catholicks for Sacraments conteyne all those things which these Protestants require vnto Sacraments because they agree as hee hath confessed with the Catholicke Doue supr persuas pag. 27. 28. definition of Sacraments which as before conteyneth all and more then Protestants demaund Further thus I argue All of those other seuen accompted amonge Catholicks for Sacraments which haue a visible signe or ceremonie ordeyned of God as Baptisme and Eucharist haue bee Sacraments as they are But all those other fyue reiected by Protestants haue such visible signe or ceremonie ordeyned by God Therefore they bee Sacraments The Maior is the graunt of their owne subscribed Article wherein Articl of Relig. sup art 25. admittinge Baptisme and the Eucharist for Sacraments in these words There are twoe Sacraments ordeined of Christ our Lord in the Ghospell that is to say Baptisme and the supper of the Lorde They refuse the others for this onely cause as followeth Those fyue commonly called Sacraments that is to say Confirmation Penance Orders Matrimonie and Extreme Vnction are not to bee compted Sacraments of the Ghospell for that they haue not any visible signe or ceremonie ordeined of God So that all I haue to proue by this highest Protestant sentence to proue them Sacraments is that they haue a visible signe or ceremonie ordeyned of God For which I produce D. Doue againe graunting our definition to agree with these for our schooles put a Sacrament in genere signi and so farre hold that they are all instituted by Christ that the Councell of Trent defineth thus Si quis dixerit Sacramenta CoÌ„cil Trid. decret dâ— Sacram. nouae legis non fuisse omnia a Iesu Christo domino nostro instituta aut esse plura vel pauciora quam septem videlicet Baptismum Confirmationem c. Anathema sit If any man shall say that all the Sacraments of the new lawe were not instituted of Iesus Christ our Lord or that there bee more or fewer then seuen that is Baptisme Confirmation Eucharist Penance Extreame Vnction Orders and Matrimonie or els that any of these seuen is not truely and properly a Sacrament lett him bee Anathema Againe these Protestants will further tell vs in particular how euery of those fyue hath a ceremonie visible or externall ordayned of God and so to bee Sacraments and first for Confirmation thus I argue Whatsoeuer hath an externall ceremonie Confirmation proued a Sacrament by ProtestaÌ„ts instituted by Christ signifyeing or giucing grace is a Sacrament But by these Protestants Confirmation is such Therefore a Sacrament The Maior is at lardge proued and graunted before The Minor is
impressed in the soule that is a certaine spirituall and indeleble signe that they may not bee iterated For proofe of which doctrine by English Protestants I argue in this Maner That doctrine which is taught by the Greeke Church neither hereticall nor Scismatical but orthodoxe by these Protestants ot by a generall Councell whose decree and sentence bindeth all is to bee allowed by them much more if both those their Rules so confirme it But the doctrine of this Indeleble character in the Sacraments of Baptisme Confirmation and Orders is taught and approued both by the Greeke Church and a generall Councell that of Florence for such allowed by them before Therefore it ought to bee embraced by them The Maior is euidently true by their graunt before And the Minor thus proued First the Greeke Church by Hieremias their Patriarke in their Censure Hierem. in censur cap. 11. vppon Protestants in the eleuenth chapter hath so censured And the generall Councel of Florence with the assert of the same Greeke Church Armenians Iacobines and all Christendome hath defined it in these words Inter haec Sacramenta tria sunt Baptismus Cōcil Flor. in vnion Arm. Confirmatio Ordo quae Characterem i. spirituale quoddam signum à caeteris distinctum imprimunt in anima indelebile c. Among these Sacraments there are three Baptisme Confirmation and Order which impresse in the soule a Character that is a certaine spirituall signe distinct from others indeleble wherevppon they are not Iterated in the same parson but the other fowre do not Impresse a Character and admitt Iteration To bee breife I argue thus once for all That doctrine which is generally maintained not onely by all professors of it but also acknowledged and defended by them that bee esteemed learned among the enemies thereof and professe the same Religion with them is true But this doctrine of a Character is such Therefore it is true The Maior is euidently apparēt for no more then frends and Aduersaries learned can consent to any truth The Minor is thus proued by these Protestant Doctors following Ioyning in Religion with them that impugne and persecute the Church of Rome First D. Feild Feild l. 1. cap. 15. acknowledgeth a Character in Baptisme and to remayne euen in the excommunicate And so indeleble D. Couell affirmeth the same of Baptisme and Orders and seemeth to insinuate it of Confirmation Hee writeth of it in these words It is not amisse both termed a kind of Marke Couell def of Hook pa. 87. 88. 91. or character And confesseth it to bee Indeleble And for Orders hee addeth thus For ministeriall power is a worke of seperation because it seuereth them that haue it from other men maketh them a speciall order consecrated vnto the seruice of the moste highe in things wherewith others may not meddle I call it indeleble because they which haue once receiued this power may not thinke to putt it of and on like a cloake as the wether serueth And againe in this maner Where there is a chaunge of estate with an Sup. pag. 91 Impossibilitie to returne there wee haue reason to account an Indeleble Character to bee imprinted This saith the Church of Rome is in Baptisme Confirmation and Order This forme figure or Character is called Indeleble because that is not to bee reiterated as Protestants confesse of Baptisme Confirmation and Orders from whence it cometh The Character of Order is an actiue power as the schoolemen speake which giueth an Abilitie publickly to administer the Sacraments vnto those whome the Church hath esteemed fitt The Character of Baptisme is a passiue power which maketh men fitt to receaue the rest And from hence not onely is proued in as playne words as any schooleman or other Catholicke can speake the Catholicke opinion of a Character but also that Orders and others besides them allowed for Sacraments are to bee so esteemed as his last wordes the rest insinuate And this sufficeth of this Question CHAPTER XXI PROVING BY THESE PROTEstants that the Sacraments of the Ghospell giue grace and as the schooles speake ex opere operato by the vvorke vvrought CONCERNING the validitie and grace of Sacraments The Councell of Trent defineth thus If any Cōcil Trid. Sess 7. man shall say that the Sacraments of the new lawe do not giue grace by the worke wrought opere operato but that onely faith of the promise of God sufficeth to obtaine grace lett him bee Anathema And to demonstrate that the present Protestants of England are or by their owne writings ought to bee of the same opinion thus I argue Whatsoeuer Catholicke doctrine of the Romane Church is confirmed both by the publicke proceedings and priuate writings of the Protestants of England ought to bee allowed and embraced by them But the doctrine of the Romane Church concerning the efficacie of Sacraments that they cause grace in the worthie and duely disposed Receauers of them and that ex opere operato as the Councell before and our schooles speake is such Therefore it ought to bee allowed and embraced by them for true The Maior is euidently true and cannot bee denied for no man may or can hold against his owne opinion or that publicke Rule and Authoritie to which hee hath subscribed and submitted himself in Religion The second proposition is thus proued and first by that cheefe Rule their booke of Articles Booke of Articl of Relig. art 25. to which they haue all subscribed where it is thus defined in their Religion Sacraments ordeyned of Christ are effectuall signes of grace and Gods good will towards vs by the which hee doth worke inuisibly in vs. And againe in their newly reformed communion booke in these words By this words Sacrament I meane an Comm. Booke refor titul Catechis outward and visible signe of an inward and spirituall grace giuen vnto vs ordeyned by Christ himself as a meanes whereby wee receaue the same Therefore beeing graunted by the greatest Rules of Religion which English Protestants haue that Sacraments bee effectuall of grace and Gods fauour giuing grace and meanes whereby wee receaue grace And all English Protestants Ministers haue subscribed to these doctrines in those bookes They must needs graunt that Sacraments bee causes of grace for among causes the efficient and effectuall is not onely a cause but of extrinsecall causes by many degrees the cheifest And beeing allowed for such Instruments and meanes by which God worketh inuisibly in vs and giueth grace and wee so receaue grace as their words bee They must needs bee true instrumental causes of grace and such worke in vs. And their same practicall Rule of their Religion the Communion booke hath the same doctrine concerning Baptisme and consequently of all others proued by them to bee Sacraments one and the same reason beeing of all for in the Treatise of Baptisme thus it prescribeth the Minister to speake vnto God By the Baptisme of Comm. Booke Titul publick
themselues to the Church of Rome and doctrine thereof as hee hath before aduised CHAPTER XIIII CONCERNINGE REVERENCE of holy Relicks WHEN I entreated before of the religeous vse of holy Imadges I would also haue spoken of this question the reuerence of holy Relicks being so neare and symbolizing doctrines had not the Relator of Religion before referred mee to an other course Therefore I will now speake thereof in which case the Catholick doctrine expressed in the Councell of Trent is this CoÌ„cil Trid. Sesi 9. Veneranda esse à fidelibus c. The bodies of Martyrs c. Are to be reuerenced of the faithfull According to which thus I argue in this Article by these Protestants That which was the doctrine of the primatiue Church in this question is true and what it coÌ„deÌ„ned for Heresie is false But the primatiue Church taught reuerence of Relicks as the present Romane Church now dothe and condemned the contrary of Protestants for Heresie Therefore the Catholicke doctrine is true in this controuersie and the contrary of Protestants false and Hereticall The Maior proposition is euidently true by often graunte before And the Minor is thus proued First D. Willet citeth and approueth S. Ambrose thus speaking Willet Antill pag. 201. Sutcliff Subu pag. 27. Pag. 50. of Valentinian deceased I will honor his Relicks and commend his gratious memorie D. Sutcliffe wittnesseth that S. Gregorie and S. Augustine that conuerted this nation esteemed much the relicks of Saincts And in their time Churches were built in the honor of Saints and their relicks worshipped And D. Willet with others Willet Antil pag. 13. acknowledge as they needs must that Vigilantius was condemned of heresie for denyall thereof in the primatiue Church and by the authoritie thereof Secondly I argue thus againe That which was the custome and doctrine of the primatiue Church may or is still to bee kept and defended But to pray at the monuments of Saincts and reuerence their Relicks was the custome and doctrine then Therefore still to bee kept and defended The Maior is euident and the Minor thus proued First M. Wotton Wotten def of Perk. pag. 9 hath these words It was the maner of the primatiue Church to pray at the Tombes of Martirs and the Christians assembled ordinarily where the Martirs were buried And to shew what they did there which hee would willingly haue concealed for hee loueth not prayers to Saints nor reuerence of their Relicks for which causes the primatiue Christians so there assembled hee citeth S. Hierome writing Wotten sup pag. 544. in this maner of holy Paula shee went into the Sepulchre and kissed the stone of his Resurrection which the Angell had remoued from the dore of the Tombe the place of his bodie where the Lord had lien as if shee had thristed for the desired waters shee liâ—kâ—d with her faithfull tonge D. Downame writeth the like of the holy pilgrimadge of that blessed woman And to giue moste conuincing instance and proofe in this matter M. Perkins in his Problema writeth thus Primitiua Perkins problem pag. 81. Ecclesia honorauit veneratione prosecuta est reliquias mortuorum The primatiue Church did honour and prosecute with reuerence the Relicks of the deade Thirdly thus I argue That vsadge and behauiour which was lawfull to the Iewes and practized of them towards their Reliks is now in the time of grace giuen by Christ as lawfull for Christians towards their holy Relicks and things But the true faithfull Iewes lawfully vsed reuerence and honour to their Relicks Therefore it is lawfull to Christians to doe the like The Maior is euident this beeing no ceremoniall or legall thinge abrogated by Christ but rather confirmed by making the things of his lawe and Ghospell more reuerentiall then the figuratiue was The Minor is thus proued by M. Wotton in these words You bringe diuers Wotton def of Perk. pag. 581. proofes that the Arke was had in greate reuerence all needlesse for whoe denies it and againe The Iewes saith Hierome in foretimes worshipped the holy of holies because there were the Cherubins and the propitiatorie and the arke of the testament Manna Aarons rodd and the golden altare and further in this maner Hee speakes not of worshippinge the Pag. 581. 582. Arke but the holy of holyes because of the things that were in it Hee makes the Propitiatorie Manna Aarons Rod and the golden Altare causes of that worship as well as the Cherubins In the words followinge hee counts the Sepulchre of our Lord more worthie of worâ—hip Then seeing those Relicks vnder the lawe and before Christ the meritorious cause of all grace and such excellencie were so worthie of worshipp and reuerence that they were not onely reuerenced in themselues but other things were worshipped and reuerenced because of them and yett by this Iudgment the Relicks in Christianitie as the Sepulchre no part of Christ but the place of his sacred bodies some few howers lyeing there are more worthie of worship as this Protestant writer confesseth wee may not deny this Reuerence and the Catholick doctrine thereof to bee holy euen by English Protestants sentence Lastely thus I argue from the generall practice of English Protestants if it is lawfull to giue ciuill reuerence to the bodie of a noble man or woman deceased because they were noble and honored when they liued much more reason there is to giue religeous and spirituall Reuerence to the bodie of a Saint holy and honored by God and man when hee lyued and now in Ioyes in heauen truely and for euer honorable But the Antecedent is true by English Protetestants whoe by their Heralds of armes allowe and practice that all Inferiours shall giue and yeeld the same honour to the bodie of the honorable parson deceased that was due vnto him lyuing his soule and bodie beeing vnited and this though in all morall Iudgment the soule of such an one is damned And this is the custome and ceremonie not onely with Heralds but vsed in Court ratified by their Bishops Doctors and Vniuersities as many and late examples teache which I will vrge no further but desire all may liue and die well that they may leaue behinde them sufficient or some motiue eyther to bee honored or helped by the prayers and deuotions of the lyuinge The consequence is euidently true and thus demonstrated for as excellencie is the cause of honor and ciuill excellency of ciuill and terrene honor so spirituall or religeous excellency of spirituall and such honor And much more for the ciuill honor and motiue thereof is onely ens rationis an inuention worthines and attribute of men and nothing at all Inherent in the bodie or soule of the partie so honored when the other excellency and cause of honor is both permanent and an Inherent dignitie as is proued before of inherent Iustice and for euer remayneth in the soule glorified in the presence of God his Saints and Angells in heauen and