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A88107 The nevv quere, and determination upon it, by Mr. Saltmarsh lately published, to retard the establishment of the Presbyteriall government, examined, and shewed to be unseasonable, unsound, and opposite to the principles of true religion, and state. Whereunto is annexed a censure of what he hath produced to the same purpose, in his other, and later booke, which he calleth The opening of Master Prinnes Vindication. And an apologeticall narrative of the late petition of the Common Councell and ministers of London to the Honourable Houses of Parliament, with a justification of them from the calumny of the weekly pamphleters. / By John Ley, one of the Assembly of Divines at Westminster. Ley, John, 1583-1662. 1645 (1645) Wing L1885; Thomason E311_24; ESTC R200462 96,520 124

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for_o as_o much_o as_o profane_v swear_v and_o curse_v be_v forbid_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n ibid._n p._n 1403._o in_o the_o 21._o of_o k._n james_n c._n 20._o 1427._o 20._o nothing_o more_o acceptable_a to_o god_n than_o the_o true_a and_o sincere_a service_n and_o worship_n of_o he_o according_a to_o his_o holy_a will_n and_o that_o the_o holy_a keep_n of_o the_o lord_n day_n be_v 2_o principal_a part_n of_o the_o true_a service_n of_o god_n ibid._n p._n 1427._o in_o the_o first_o of_o k._n charles_n c._n 1._o &_o 1434._o &_o for_o as_o much_o as_o the_o lord_n day_n common_o call_v sunday_n be_v much_o break_v and_o profane_v by_o carrier_n &c._n &c._n to_o the_o great_a dishonour_n of_o god_n reproach_n of_o religion_n etc._n etc._n ibid._n p._n 1434._o in_o the_o three_o of_o k._n james_n c._n 1._o last_o the_o present_a parliament_n have_v do_v the_o like_a already_o for_o some_o part_n of_o the_o reformation_n authorize_v as_o for_o the_o ordination_n of_o minister_n 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