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A58394 Reformation no enemie, or, A true discourse betweene the bishops and the desirers of reformation wherein is plainely laid open the present corrupt government of our church, and the desired forme of government plainely proved by the word of God.; Hay any worke for Cooper Marprelate, Martin, pseud.; Penry, John, 1559-1593. 1641 (1641) Wing R741; ESTC R34566 39,052 59

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it For many bookes heretofore printed had cum privilegio and yet were never authorized and againe that it were but a ●olly for him to sue to her Majesty the Office were very base and unfit for her And he might be well assured that Caiphas of Cant. would never authorize any thing for his behoofe and so it fell out And thus Martin hath proved you in this as in all other chings to bee lyars And what is it that you Bp. and your hangones will not say by Waldegrave whom you would hang if you could I will be briefe in the rest but so as the Reader may perceive that T. C. was hired to lye by commission I will stand to it that his grace accounteth the preaching of the Word page 46. being the only ordinary meanes of Salvation to be an heresie and doth mortally persecute the same page 47. his appellation to the obedient Clergy shall stand him in no steed when more worke for Cooper is published And there I will pay thee for abusing Master Wiggiugton and Mr. Davison whose good names can take no staine from a Bishops chops page 47. If his grace rejected Master Evans for want of conformity why is the quare impedit gotten against the Bishop of Worcester by the noble Earle of Warwicke his patron J hope he will see both the quare impedit and the premunire too brought upon the bones of father Edmond of Worcester page 48 49. It is a common bragge with his grace his parasites and with himselfe that he is the second person in the land More worke shall pay his grace for commending the Apocrypha 2 Esdras 14.21.37 c. a profane and a lying story in many places to bee unseparably joyned with the holy Word of God You grant D. Spark to have set his grace and your selfe T. C. page 50. at a non-plus for the septuaginta is contrary to the Hebrew and therefore you maintaine contrary translations and require men to approve both Martin hath marred Richard patriks Market for otherwise he was in good hope to have a benefice at his grace his hand and to be made a Minstrell Shamelesse and impudent wretches that dare deny Iohn of Canterbury to have bin at any time under D. Perne but as a fellow of the houre where he was master whereas all the world knoweth him to have bin a poore scholler in that house yea and his grace hath often confessed that hee being there a poore scooder was so poore as hee had not a napkin to wipe his mouth but when he had gotten some fat meate of O the followes table would goe to the Skrine and first wipe his mouth on the one side and then O the other because he wanted a napkin judge you whither this be not a meaner state then to carry a cloakbag which is not spoken to upbraid any mans poverty but to pull the pride of Gods enemy an ase lower Although we cannot beleeve D. Perne in the Pulpit yet in this point wee will not refuse his testimony I am glad Iohn of London you will not deny but you have the Dyars cloath page 51 52.53 54. make restitution then thou madest the Porter of thy Gate a Minister Iohn and thou mightest doe it lawfully Why so J pray thee why man because hee was almost blind and at Paddington being a small people hee could not starve as many soules as his master doth which hath a great charge I hope Mr. Madox will thinke scorn to aske Iohn of London forgivenesse page 55 56 The substance of the Tale is true I told you that I had it at the second hand Are you not ashamed to deny the elmes to be cut downe at Fulham Why her Majesties taker tooke them from Iohn of London And simple fellowes are you not able to discerne betweene a pleasant frump given you by a counsellour and a speech used in good earnest Alas poore Iohn O London doest thou thinke that Mr. Vice-chamberlaine spake as hee thought Then it is time to begge thee for a swagge And so it is if thou thinkest wee will beleeve the turncoate D. Perne speaking unto us in his owne name who like an Apostata hath out of the pulpit told so many untruthes And as it is lawfull to boule O the Sabboth as it is to cat page 57 58 and for you to make dumbe Ministers as it was for DAVID to eate of the shew bread page 110. or for the Machabees to fight on the Sabboth or for Moses to grant a bill of divorcement page 62. J perceive these men will have the good Divinity if it be to be gotten for money Yea and our Saviour Christ sware by his Faith very often How so good Iohn I never heard that before why saith T.C. hee said Amen Amen very often and Amen is as much as by my faith page 62. horrible and blasphemous Beasts whither will your madnesse grow in a while if you bee not restrained M. Allen the Grocer is paid all save 10 pound for the use of that the Executors have Iohn O Londons blessing And J thinke they are reasonably well served page 58. If the tale of Benison be not true why was Iohn of London alotted by the counsell to pay him I thinke 40 pounds page 59. for his false imprisonment Iohn of London is not dumbe because hee preacheth sometimes thrise a yeare at Pauls Crosse Then we shall never make our money of it I see But I pray thee T. G pag. 6.61.62 how canst thou excuse his blasphemy of Eli Eli lamasabackthani there have beene two outragious facts amongst others committed in the world by those that professe true Religion the one was the betraying of our Saviour by Iudas an Apostle the other was the horrible mocking of his agony and bitter passion by Iohn Elmar a Bishop in this speech If he had bin in some reformed Churches the Blasphemer would have hardly escaped with his life And is it true sweet Boy indeed Hath Liecestershire so embraced the Gospell without contention and that by dumbe Iohns meanes Little doest thou know what thou hast done now how if Martin be a Liecestershire man hast not thou then set out the praise of thine owne bane For Martin I am sure hath wrought your Calaphas Chaire more wracke and misery then all the whole Land beside And therefore thou seest a man may be so madde sometimes that he may praise he cannot tell what The Bishop of Rochester in presenting himselfe to a parsonage did no more then Law allowed him And doe so againe good Iohn of Rochester page 63 and it will be for thy credit Fo these Puritans would find fault I thinke with Iohn of Cant. if he beleeving that Christ in soule went to Hell should hold it unlawfull for a man to pray unto Christ being in Hell And sweet Iohn of Cant. if ever thou prayedst in thy life for any bodies soule now pray for
the members thereof But it may be your Coopers no●dle profane T.C. doubteth for I know you to be as ignorant in these points as Iohn Whitgift or Deaue Iohn their selves Whether a lawfull Church officer in regard of his office be a member of the body of Christ which is the church Therefore looke Rom. 12. Verse 4 5. c. and there you shall see that whosoever hath an office in the body is a member of the body There also you shall see that he that teacheth which is the Do or he the exhorteth which is the Pastour he that ruleth which is the Elder hee that distributeth which is the Deacon as for him that sheweth mercy that is there spoken off hee is but a church servant and no church officer There I say you shall also see that these 4 Offices of Pastours Doctors Elders and Deacons are members of the body and 1 Cor. 12 8 28 you shall see that God hath ordained them Out of all which hitherto I have spoken T. C. I come vpon you your Bishoprickes with 4 or 5 yea halfe a dozen snd need bee such dry soopes as Iohn of London with his two hand sword never gave the like For they answere your whole profane booke First that the platforme of government by Pastours Doctors Elders and Deacons which you say was devised you know not by whom is the invention of our Saviour Christ For God ordained them saith the Apostle 1 Cor. 12 8 28 And therefore vnlesse yov will shew yourselfe either to be a blaspemer by terming Iesus Christ to be you cannot tell whom or else to be ignorant who is Iesus Christ you must needs acknowledge the platforme of government which you say was invented by you know not whom to have Christ Jesus for the author thereof Secondly that the word of God teacheth This T. Cooper gainfaieth pag. 2. of his Epistle that of necessity the government by Pastours Doctors Elders c. ought to be in every Church which is neither maimed nor deformed Because that church must needs be maimed which wanteth those members which the Lord hath appointed to be therein vnlesse the Lord himselfe hath by taking those members away shewed that now his body is to have no vse of them But as hath beene sayd God hath ordained Pastors Doctors Elders and Deacon to be in his Church proved out of Rom. 12 6 7 8. 1 Cor. 12.8 28. Ephe. 4 12. And he hath not taken these officers away out of his church because the church hath continuall need of them As of Pastors to feed with the word of Wisedome Of the Doctors to feed with the Word of knowledge and both to build vp his body in the vnitie of faith of Elders to watch and oversee mens manners of Deacons to looke vnto the poore and church treasurie Therefore where these 4. Officers are wanting there the Church is imperfect in his Regiment Thirdly T● Cooper saith in his page second Epistle that this government cannot be inconvenient for any State or Kingdome For is it inconvenient for a State or Kingdome to have the body of Christ perpect therein Fourthly that every Christian Magistrate is bound to receive this government by Pastors Doctors Elders and Deacons in the Church within his dominions whatsoever inconvenience may be likely to follow the receiving of it Because no likelihood of inconvenience ought to induce the Magistrate willingly to permit the church vnder his government to be maimed or deformed Fifthly that the government of the church by Lord Archbishops and Bishops is a government of deformed and vnshapen members serving for no good vse in the church of God Because it is not the government by Pastors Doctors Elders and Deacons which as I have shewed are now the onely true members that is the onely true Officers of the visible body Sixtly and lastly That they who defend this false and bastardly government of Archbishops and Bishops and withstand this true naturall government of the church by Pastors Doctors Elders and Deacons are likely in a while to become Mar-prince Mar state Mar-law Mar-Magistrate Mar-common wealth As for mar-Mar-church and mar-Mar-religion they have long since proved themselves to bee These sixe points doe necessarily follow of that which before I have set downe namely that it is not lawfull for any to abolish or alter the true and lawfull government of the church Because it is not lawfull for them to maime or deforme the body of the church And I chalenge you T. C. and you Deane Iohn and you Iohn Whitgift and you D. Coosins and you D. Copcot and all the rest that will or dare defend our established Church government to be tryed with me in a Judgement of life and death at any barre in England in this point Namely That you must needs be not onely traytors to God and his word but also enemies unto his Maiestie and the land in defending the established church government to be lawfull You see the accusation which I lay to your charge and here followeth the proofe of it They who defend that the Prince and state may bid God to battell against them they are not onely traitors against God and his word but also enemies to the Prince and state I thinke Iohn of Glocester himselfe will not be so sencelesse as to deny this But our Archbishops and Bishops which hold it lawfull for his Majestie and the state to retaine this established forme of government and to keepe out the government by Pastors Doctors Elders and Deacons which was appointed by Christ whom you profane T. C. call you know not whom hold it lawfull for his Maiestie and the state to bid God to battell against them Because they bid the Lord to battell against them which maime and deforme the body of Christ viz. the church And they as was declared maime deforme the body of the church which keep out the lawfull offices apointed by the Lord to bemembers therof and in their steed place other woodden members of the invetnion of man Therefore you T. C. you Deane Iohn and you Iohn Whitgift and you the rest of the beastly defendors of the corrupt church government are not onely trayters to God and his word but enemies to her Maiesty and the state Like you any of these Nuts Iohn Canterbury I am not disposed to jest in this serious marter I am called Martin Mar-prelat There be many that greatly dislike of my doings I may have my wants I know For I am a man Bot my course I know to be ordinary and lawfull I saw the cause of Christs government and of the Bishops Antichristian to be hidde n The most part of men could not be gotten to read any thing written in the defence of the one and against the other I bethought me therefore of a way whereby men might be drawne to doe both perceiving the humours of men in these times especially of those that are in any place to be given
the Summer Lord with his May game or Robin Hood with his Morice daunce going by the Church out goees the boye Good Glibery though he were in the pulpit yet had a mind to his old companions abroad a company of merry grigs you must thinke them to be as merry as a vice on a stage seeing the boy going out finished his matter presently with Iohn of Londons Amen saying ha ye faith boy are they there then ha with thee and so came downe and among them he goes Were it not then pitty that the dignity of such a Priest should decay And I would gentle T. C. that you would take the paines to write a treatise against the boy with the red cap which put this Glibery out of his matter at another time For Glibery being in the pulpit so fastened his eyes vpon a boy with a red cap that he was cleane dasht out of countenance in somuch that no note could be hard from him at that time but this Take away red cap there take away red cap there it had beene better that he had never beene borne he hath marred such a Sermon this day as it is wonderfull to thinke The King and the Counsell might well have heard it for a good Sermon and so came down An admonition to the people of England to take heed of boyes with red caps which make them set light by the dignity of their Priests would doe good in this time brother T. C. you know well Reverend T. C. The cause why we are so spighted You may hereby perceive that T. C. is a Bishop is because we doe endeavour to maintain the lawes which his Majestie and the whole state of the Realme have allowed and doe not admit a new platforme of government devised I know not by whom Reverend Martin Why T. C. say Eulojin for Eulogein as often as you will and I will never spight you or the Bishop of Win. chester eyther for the matter But doe you thinke our Church government to be good and lawfull because his Maiestie and the state who maintain the reformed religion alloweth the same Why the Lord doth not allow it therfore it cannot be lawfull And it is the fault of such wretches as you Bishops are that his Maiestie and the state alloweth the same For you should have otherwise instructed them they know you not yet so thorowly as I doe So that if I can prove that that the Lord disliketh our Church government your endeavours to maintaine the same shew that thereby you cannot chuse but bee traytors to God and his word whatsoever you are to his Maiestie and the State Now T C. looke to your selfe for I will presently make all the hoopes of your Bishopricks fly assunder Therefore Our Church government is an vnlawfull Church government and not allowed in the sight of God Because That Church government is an vnlawfull Church government the Offices and Officers whereof the civill magistrate may lawfully abolish out of the Church marke my craft in reasoning brother T. C. I say the Offices and Officers for I grant that the Magistrate may thrust the Officers of a lawfull Church governmēt out of the Church if they be Drotrepheses Mar●elmes Whitgifts Simon Magustes Coopers Pernes Renoldes or any such like ludases though the most of these must be packing Offices and all but their Offices must stand that the same may be supplyed by honester men But the Offices of Archbishops and Bishops and therefore the Officers much more may be lawfully abolished out of the Church by his Maiestie and our state And truely this were brave weather to turne them out it is pitty to keep them in any longer And that would do me good at the hart to see Iohn of London and the rest of hi● brethren so discharged of his businesse as hee might freely run in his cassocke and hose after his bowle or florish with his two hand sword O t is a sweet trunch fiddle But the Offices of Archbishops and Bishops may be lawfully abolished out of the Church by his Maiestie and the state as I hope one day they shall be Therefore marke now T. C. and cary me this conclusion to Iohn of Lambehith for his breakefast our Church government by Archb. Bishops is an vnlawfull church governmēt You see brother Cooper that I am very courteous in my minor for J desire therein no more Offices to bee thrust out of the Church at one time but Archbs and Bishops as for Deanes Archdeacons and Chancellors I hope they will be so kind vnto my Lords grace as not to stay if his worship and the rest of the noble clergie Lords were turned out to grasse I will presently prove both maior and minor of this syllogisme And hold my cloake there some body that I may goe roundly to worke for I le so bumfeg the Cooper as it had beene better to have hooped halfe the tubs in Winchester then write against my worships pistles No civill Magistrate may lawfully either maime or deforme the body of Christ which is the Church but whosoever doth abolish any lawfull Church Officer out of the church government he doth either maime or deforme the Church Therefore T. C. no civill Magistrate no Prince no state may without sinne abolish any lawfull Officer together with his office out of the government of the Church and per consequens the Offices of Archbīshops and Lordbishops which his Maiestie may without sinne lawfully abolish out of the Church are no lawfull Church Officers and therefore also the Church government practised by Iohn Whitgift Iohn Mar-elme Richard Peterborow William of Lincolne Edmond of Worcester yea and by that olde stealecounter masse priest Iohn of Glocester with the rest of his brethren is to be presently thrust out of the Church And me thinkes this geare cortons indeed my masters And I tould you T. C. that you should be thumped for defending Bishops Take heed of me while you live The minor of my last ●yllogisme that whosoever doth abolish the Office of any lawfull Church Officer out of the church he either maimeth or deformeth the church I can prove with a wet finger Because every lawfull Church Officer even by reason of his Office is a member of the body of Christ Iesus which is the church and being a member of the body if the Magistrate doth displace him by abolishing his Office and leaveth the place thereof voide then the Magistrate maimeth the body if hee put another Office vnto an Officer in stead thereof he deformeth the same Because the Magistrate hath neither the skill nor the commission to make the exembers of the body of Christ Because hee cannot tell to what vse the members of his making may serve in the Church Doe you thinke T. C. that the Magistrate may make an eye for the visible body of the Church For you must vnderstand that we all this while speake of the visisible body can he make a foot or a hand
State to practize the contrary be not outragious wicked men and dangerous enemies of the state it cannot be denyed but they are Because the contrary practize of any the sormer points is a way to worke the ruine of the state Now our Bishops hold the contrary vnto them all save the 3 and 2. points wherevnto it may be they will yeeld and cause our estate to practize the cōtrary whence at the length our destruction is like to proceed For 1 They deny Christ Iesus to have set downe as exact and as vnchangeable a forme of Church government as Moses did For they say that the Magistrate may change the church government established by Christ so could he not doe that prescribed by Moses 2 In holding all offices of the church to be members of the body for if they be not members what should they doin the body they hold it lawfull for the Magistrate to attempt the making of new members for that body 3 The altering or abolishing of these members by the Magistrates they hold to be lawfull And therefore the maiming or deforming Now you wretches Archb. and L. Bishops I meane you Mar-state Mar law Mar-Prince Mar-magistrate Mar-commonwealth Mar church and mar-Mar-religion Are you able for your lives to answere any part of the former Syllogisme whereby you are concluded to be the greatest enemies unto his Majesty and the State You dare not attempt it I know For you cannot deny but they who hold it and defend it lawfull yea enforce the Magistrate to maime or deforme the body of Christ are vtter enemies vnto that Magistrate and that state wherein this order is practized You cannot deny your selves to doe this vnto our Magistrate and State because you beare them in hand that a lawfull Church government may consist of those offices which the magistrate may abolish out of the Church without sinne and so that the Magistrate may lawfully cut off the members of Christ from his body and so may lawfully massacre the body You are then the men by whom our estate is most likely to be overthrowne you are those that shall answer for our blood which the Spaniard or any other enemies are like to spill without the Lords great mercy you are the persecutors of your brethren if you may bee accounted brethren you and your hirelings are not onely the wound but the very Plague and pestilence of our Church Yow are those who maime deforme vex persecute grieve and wound the Church Which keep the same in captivity and darkenesse defend the blind leaders of the blind flander revile and deforme Christs holy government that such broken and woodden members as you are may bee still maintained to have the roomes of the true and naturall members of the body Tell me I pray whether the true and naturall members of the body may be lawfully cut off by the Magistrate If you should say they may I know no man would abide the speech What May the Magistrate out off the true and naturall members of the body of Christ Oh impudency not to be tolerated But our magistrate that is his Maiesty and our state may lawfully by your owne confession cut you off that is displace you and your Offices out of our church Deny this if you dare Then indeed it shall appeare that Iohn of Canterbury meaneth to be a Pope indeed and to have the soveraignty over the civill Magistrate Then will you shew your selfe indeed to be Mar-prince Mar-law and Mar-state Now if the Magistrate may displace you as he may then you are not the true members Then you are as indeed you ought to be thrust out unlesse the Magistrate would incurre the wrath of GOD for maiming and deforming the body of the Church by joyning unnaturall members thereunto Answer but this reason of mine and then hang those that seeke reformation if ever againe they speake of it if you doe not I will give you little quiet I feare you not If the Magistrate will be so overseene as to beleeve that because you which are the maime of the church are spoken against therefore they namely our Prince and state which are Gods Lieutenants shall be in like sort dealt with this credulity will be the Magistrates sinne But I know their wisedome to be such as they will not For what reason is this which you profane T. C. have used page 103. The sinfull the unlawfull the broken unnaturall false and bastardly governours of the church to wit Archb. Bishops which abuse euen their false Offices are spoken against Therefore the true naturall and lawfull and just governours of the Common wealth shall bee likewise shortly misliked Ah senslesse and undutifull beasts that dare compare your selves with our true Magistrates which are the ordinances of God with your selves that is with Archbishops and Bishops which as you your selves confesse I will by and by prove this are the ordinances of the Divell J know I am disliked of many which are your enemies that is of many which you call Puritans It is their weaknesse J am threatned to be hanged by you What though I were hanged doe you thinke the cause shall be the better For the day that you hang Martin assure your selves there will 20 Martins spring in my place I meane not now you grosse Beasts of any commotion as profane T. C. like a senslesse wretch not able to understand an English phrase hath given out upon that which he calleth the threatning of fister Assure your selves I will prove Marprelat ere I have done with you I am alone No man under Heaven is privy or hath bin privie unto my writings against you J used the advice of none therein You have and do suspect divers as Master Pagget Master Wiggington Master Vdall and Master Penri c. to make Martin If they cannot cleare their selves their sillinesse is pittifull and they are worthy to beare Martins punishment Well once againe answer my reasons both of your Antichristian places in my first Epistle unto you and these now used against you Otherwise the wisedome of the Magistrate must needes smell what you are And call you to a reckoning for deceiving them so long making them to suffer the Church of Christ under their government to be maimed and deformed Your reasons for the defence of your Hierarchie and the keeping out of Christs government used by this profane T. C are already answered They shew what profane Beasts you are I will heere repeate them But heere first the Reader is to know what answere this T. C. maketh unto the syllogismes whereby I prove all L. Bishops to bee petty Popes and petty Antichrists I assure you no other then this he flatly denyeth the conclusion wheras he might if he had any learning in him or had read any thing know that every Dunsticall Logician giveth this for an inviolable precept that the conclusion is not to be denied For that must needs be true if the Major and minor be true he in
omitting the Major and minor because he was not able to answer thereby granteth the conclusion to be true His answer unto the conclusion is that all Lord B. were not petty Popes Because page 74 Cranmer Ridley Hooper were not petty Popes They were not petty Popes because they were not Reprobates As though you block you every petty Pope and petty Anti-Christ were a reprobate Why no man can deny Gregory the great to be a petty Pope and a petty Antichrist For he was the next immediate Pope before Boniface the first that knowne Antichrist and yet this Gregory left behind him vndoubted testimonies of a chosen child of God so might they and yet be petty Popes in respect of their Office Profane T. C. his first and second reason for the lawfulnesse of our church government And what though good men gave their consent vnto our Church government or writing vnto Bishops gave them their Lordly titles Are their offices therefore lawfull Then so is the Popes office For Erasmus was a good man you cannot deny and yet he both allowed of the Popes office since his calling and writing vnto him gave him his titles So did Luther since his calling also for hee dedicated his booke of Christian liberty vnto Pope Leo the tenth The book his Epistle vnto the Pope are both in English Heere I would wish the Magistrate to marke what good reasons you are able to afford for your Hierarchie Thirdly saith profane T. C page 75. All Churches have not the governmene of Pastors and Doctors but Saxonie and Denmarck have L. Bishops You are a great State man vndoubtedly T. C. that vnderstand the State of other Churches so well But herein the impudency of a proud foole appeareth egregiously As though the testimony of a silly Schoolemaster being also as vnlearned as a man of that trade and profession can bee with any honesty would be beleeved against knowne experience Yea but Saxonie and Denmarck have Superintendents what then ergo L. Archb. and Bishops I deny it Though other Churches had L. Archb. and Bb. this proueth nothing else but that other Churches are maimed and have their imperfections Your reason is this other good Churches are deformed therefore ours must needes bee so too The Kings sonne is lame therefore the children of no subjects must goe vpright And these be all the good reasons which you can bring for the government of Archb and Bishops against the government of Christ You reason thus It must not be admitted into this Kingdome because then Civilians shall not be able to live in that estimat●on and wealth wherein they now do Carnall and senslesse Beasts who are not ashamed to preferre the outward estate of men before the glory of Christs Kingdome Here againe let the Mogistrate and other Readers consider whether it be not time that such brutish men should be looked unto Which reason thus The body of Christ which is the Church must needes bee maimed and deformed in this Commonwealth because otherwise Civilians should not be able to live Why you enemies to the state you Traytors to GOD and his Word you Mar-prince Mar law Mar-magistrate Mar-Church and Mar-common wealth doe you not know that the World should rather go a begging then that the glory of God by mayming his Church should be defaced Who can abide this indignity The Ptince and state must procure God to wrath against them by continuing the deformity of his church and it way not be otherwise because the Civilians else must fall to decay I will tell you what you monstrous and ungodly Bishops though I had no feare of God before mine eyes and had no hope of a better life yet the love that I owe as a Naturall man unto his Majesty and the state would inforce me to write against you his Majesty and this Kingdome whom the Lord blesse with his mighty hand I unfainedly beseech must endanger them selves under the perill of Gods heavie wrath rather then the maime of our Church government must be healed for we had rather it should be so say our Bishops then wee should be thrust out for if we should be thrust out the study of the civill Law must needs goe to wracke Well if I have lived sometimes a Citizen in that old and ancient though Heathenish Rome and had heard King Dejotarus Caesar yea or Pompey himselfe give out this speech namely that the City and Empire of Rome must needes be brought subject unto some danger because otherwise Catelin Lentulus Cethegus with other of the Nobility could not tell how to live but must needs goe a begging I would surely in the love I ought to the safety of that state have called him that had vsed such a speech in judicium capitis whosoever he had beene and I would not have doubted to have given him the overthrow And shal I being a christian English Subject abide to heare a wicked crue of ungodly Bishops with their hangones and parasites affirme that our King and our state must needs be subject unto the greatest danger that may be viz. the wrath of God for deforming his Church and that Gods Church must needes bee maimed and deformed among us because otherwise a few Civilians shall not be able to live Shall I heare and see these things professed and published and in the love I owe unto Gods religion and his Majeity say nothing I cannot I will not I may not bee silent at this speech come what will come of it The love of a Christian Church Prince and State shall I trust worke more in me then the love of a Heathen Empire and State should doe Now judge good Reader who is more tolerable in a Common-wealth Martin that would have the enemies of his Majesty removed thence or our Bishops which would have his life and the whole Kingdomes prosperity hazarded rather then a few Civilians should want maintenance But I pray thee tell me T. C why should the government of Christ impoverish Civilians Because saith he page 77. the Canon law by which they live must be altered if that were admitted Yea but Civilians live ●y the Court of Amralty and other courts as well as by the Arches viz. Also the Probats of Testaments the controversies of Tythes Matrimony and many other causes which you Bishops Mar-state do usurpingly take from the Civill Magistrate would be a meanes of Civilians maintenance But are not you ashamed to professe your whole government to be a government ruled by the Popes Canon Lawes which are banished by statute out of this Kingdome This notably sheweth that you are Mar-prince and Mar-state For how dare you retaine these Lawes unlesse by vertue of them you meane either to enforce the supremacy of the Prince to goe again to Rome or to coure to Lambeth It is treason by statute for any subject in this Land to proceed Doctor of the Canon law and dare you professe your Church government to bee ruled by that law As though one