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A27541	Ludlow no lyar, or, A detection of Dr. Hollingworth's disingenuity in his Second defence of King Charles I and a further vindication of the Parliament of the 3d of Novemb. 1640 : with exact copies of the Pope's letter to King Charles the first, and of his answer to the Pope : in a letter from General Ludlow, to Dr. Hollingworth : together with a reply to the false and malicious assertions in the Doctor's lewd pamphlet, entituled, His defence of the King's holy and divine book, against the rude and undutiful assaults of the late Dr. Walker of Essex.	Ludlow, Edmund, fl. 1691-1692.; Bethel, Slingsby, 1617-1697.; Charles I, King of England, 1600-1649. Reply to the pope's letter [of 20 April 1623]; Gregory XV, Pope, 1554-1623.	1692 (1692)	Wing B2068; ESTC R12493	70,085	85

mind that he met with hard Fate and such as had you been one of his Iudges with your present sense of things you should not have consented to So that it seems you cannot be confident but you might have been as wicked as Laud himself And by the discovery which you indiscreetly make of your self a little after of which more presently I have reason to suspect that you would have made the worst Bishop of the two and then I am sure you had been a very wicked Bishop indeed You say Let me tell you Sir Dr. Leighton was a great Transgressor and deserved a severe Punishment Must it be Persecution to call such a foul-mouth'd Person to an Account and to punish him But you of all Men Dr. Brazen-face ought to be very tender to justifying the severe punishment of a foul Mouth lest a Jury of your Neighbours should you be called to an account if for nothing more than your malicious slandering of that Reverend Divine Dr. Walker should find you to be a foul-mouth'd Person for in such a case according to your present sense of things I am something of the mind you would esteem it hard Fate to have your Ears cut your Nose slit to be branded in the Face stand in the Pillory pay ten thousand Pounds Fine and be perpetually imprison'd You proceed next pag. 15. saying I have look'd into the Case of Pryn Burton and Bastwick I do upon a full consideration of the whole wish from my Heart their Punishment had been some other way I do not think that the way of punishing these Persons was at all Politick or Prudent because not for the Interest as things then stood either of the King or the Church And if Bishop Laud had kept in his Study at that time and not appeared at all either to hear the Trial or assist in the Sentence it had been better for him and those Designs of Vniformity he had so much set his Heart upon Whoever weighs this last Paragraph must agree in what I but now hinted that you even you Doctor would have been a worse Bishop than Laud. You well approve the punishing of these three Persons but the way was not Politick or Prudent because not for the Interest as things then stood of King or Church Let you subtil Doctor alone for Mischief though you have a very unhappy Talent at writing in Defence thereof you would have done it as effectually but in a more cunning manner you would have been found as Arch and Crafty but a more close Youth like the Persecutors in Ancient Times whose Practices are most ingenuously express'd by Mr. Marvel in these words In Persecution the Clergy as yet wisely interposed the Magistrate betwixt themselves and the People not caring so their End were attained how odious they render'd him And you may observe that for the most part hitherto they stood crouching and shot either over the Emperor's Back or under his Belly But in process of Time they became bolder and open-fac'd and persecuted before the Sun at Mid-day Bishops grew worse but Bishopricks every day better and better You Politick Doctor in your great Wisdom would have taken a more prudent course than Bishop Laud you would in your Study have laid such a Scheme as this A Iefferies or a Wright should have been made Lord Chief Iustice a Graham and a Burton should have pack'd a Iury of London Tories to give such a Verdict as they should have directed Hereby these Gentlemen should have been Whip'd Pilloried Stigmatized and what else Bishop Hollingworth pleas'd and all by the Hands of the Laity and that according to Law the Bishop good Man neither assisting at Trial nor Sentence but close at his Book as innocent as a wild Boar and as harmless as a Tyger Well it had been better for Laud and those Designs of Vniformity which he had so much set his Heart upon And pray tell me Sir in all Love what Uniformity was this which thus run in Laud's Head and which you seem so much to approve It must certainly be the honest Design of coming to a due Temper to a uniting of Protestants No no nothing like it Mr. Whitlock was a good Man and you say pag. 14. That you do not in the least question the Truth of what he writes Take then his Account of this Monster rather than Martyr and you will see which way his Head turn'd Whitl Mem. pag. 97. In Arch-Bishop Laud's Diary under his Hand produced in Evidence against him at his Trial are Passages of his being offered to be made a Cardinal which he said that he could not suffer till Rome were other than it is He wickedly and traiterously design'd that upon the Pope's yielding in some few Points as the Common Prayers to be continued in English and such other Tri●les he would deliver over the possession of these most noble Isles to the Prince of the Apostles Whitl pag. 92. It was proved against him that he should say The Pope was not Antichrist but the Head of the Church and that the Protestant Religion and Romish Religion were all one and if the one was false so was the other He chid Dr. Hall as in Whitlock p. 91. for giving the Holy Father the Epithets of Antichristian c. He held the Pope to be Metropolitan Bishop of the World He furnished the King's Chappel they are Mr. Whitlock's own words p. 85. ' that Seminary Priests would come thither for their Devotion and Adoration and some of them were instanc'd this was at his Trial still who said they knew no difference between their Churches and this Chappel and some other of our Churches as they were ordered To this I shall subjoin a few Words out of Rushworth's Third Collection Vol. 2. pag. 818. Arch-Bishop Laud endeavoured to advance the Power of the Council-Table the Canons of the Church and the King's Prerogative above the Laws of the Land and said that as long as he sat at the Council-Board they should know that an Order of that Board should be of equal Force with an Act of Parliament And at another time said That he would crush them to pieces that would not yield to the King's Power He stiled the Parliament Puritans and commended the Papists for harmless and peaceable Subjects He said That there must be a Blow given to the Church such as had not been given before it could be brought to Conformity Was not this a rare Head of the Church of England Why may not a Man for once and not practise it borrow your Words dear Doctor pag. 53. and say I cannot think Laud would have talked thus unless he had been acted by seven Devils worse thau himself and then I am sure they must be Devils indeed But no more of Laud in this place I return to you Mr. Chaplain at Aldgate Though you do not commend the doing of the Business of Pryn Burton and Bastwick in Laud's imprudent way and that for a weighty

Shrubs of the Laity to soar so high as you presume and I took mine to be a modest and inoffensive Dedication and do yet think it ought to be esteemed such though you snarl and in your gay or angry Humour make Distinctions if not a Schism and that in your own Parish and very prodigally throw out to Ludlow a good number of your old Benefactors because they do not believe that they were the only good Men who took part with the King against the Parliament who you say only did their Duties in standing by their Prince according to the Laws of the Land and the Oaths they had taken Now if this be not an inconsiderate and weak Way of arguing why did not you and your Brethren do your Duty and as the Iacobites query stand by King Iames to whom you were sworn And as to your Old Englishmen whom you cull out and set by for your self under the Notion of Lovers of the Government by King Lords and Commons I doubt not but there are of your Acquaintance a great many Pretenders thereto and yet if a Man could stand behind the Hangings at your Club at the Pye Tavern he might hear many of 'em keck at the Healths of King William and Queen Mary and yet be the first who will propose and urge the drinking the King's Health which every Boy understands is in their meaning Iames's To proceed Page 9. you tell me that I begin my Epistle with a prophane piece of Wit namely THE CHVRCH THE CLERGY but the best of it is but borrowed Now I hope we of the Laity may without committing the Sin of Sacrilege borrow and lend this Commodity amongst our selves and were all Clergy-Men as dull as your self Doctor 't would be as great a Sin to borrow of them as to rob a Spittle The piece of Wit which you here term prophane was only a seasonable Exhortation to you to shew a little regard to Sense Truth and Christianity in your future Writings and this your last Book demonstrates that of all the Scriblers of the Age you ought to have attended to this Caution But this was prophane Wit ay no doubt of it there 's no Salvation can there be any Wit out of the Church Wit is ever prophan'd say these Borderers upon it if any Man touches it but themselves However I will adventure to borrow again from my Old Lay-Friend the most ingenious Mr. Andrew Marvell Albeit saith he Wit be not inconsistent and incompatible with a Clergy-Man yet neither is it inseparable from them So that it is of concernment to my Lords the Bishops henceforward to repress those of 'em who have no Wit from Writing and to take care that even those that have it do husband it better as not knowing to what Exigency they may be reduced You say Pag. 10. I shall betake my self with all the brevity I can to consider your various Charges you so impudently draw up against the King and Queen's Grand-Father both in your Epistle and in your Book it self And Pag. 11. you fall thus to work In your Epistle you tell us of a Letter which the Prince wrote to the Pope which from the beginning to the end savours of Popery and you mention your Particulars to prove it First You tell us that he professes nothing could affect him so much as an Alliance with a Prince that had the same apprehensions of true Religion with himself You are in the right I did say so and if I cannot make it out you deservedly stile me a foul-mouth'd scandalous and le●d Miscreant And a Man would think that you should not doubt your having caught me when you bespeak me in these confident Words For God's sake Sir read over the Letter again and tell 〈◊〉 where there is such a word or any thing like it I have the Letter now before me as it is in Rushworth and I assure you upon reading it again and again I find nothing like it and I hope I am not so dull but I understand common Sense and if it was not for the unmannerliness of the Expression I would I am justly provoked to say leave your L I must confess Sir this your Expostulation struck me with no small astonishment and your bold and confident Assertion would if possible have made me ready to suspect my self as you represent me for one of the vilest Impostors that ever appeared in the World for I never doubted but your Mother instructed you in the reading of English and he who hath attain●d thereto should not mistake in such a case as this But Upon my second reading you I observed that you say I have the Letter now before me AS IT IS IN RUSHWORTH this raised a Suspicion in me that you were conscious that it was elsewhere to be found why else should you say AS IT IS IN RUSHWORTH Turning to Rushworth which you were poring upon when you wrote your Defence I was confirmed in my Opinion for in the Margin to that Letter in Pag. 82. I read and you will see when you put on Impartial Specta●les this honest Intimation There is another Copy of the Prince's Letter to the Pope published by several Hands somewhat different from this Well though you affirm that you find nothing like what I charge I can see as you presently shall even in Rushworth several Things as like it as I have found a Doctor to be like a Dunce Indeed this Letter to the Pope is not found in Dr. Gauden's Famous Book called Eicon Basilice nor in the Works of King Charles neither is it in Pembrook's Arcadia in Heylin or in Nalson But you good Doctor may see it in a Book which you have in your Library for you quote it in your 13th Page 't is entituled Cabala Mysteries of State in Quarto Pag. 214. The Royal Words there which you could not or rather would not find are these I shall never be so extreamly affectionate to any thing in the World as to endeavour Alliance with a Prince that hath the same apprehension of the true Religion with my self The same thing is expressed by Mr. Rushworth in these Words Your Holiness's Conjecture of our Desire to contract an Alliance and Marriage with a Catholick Family and Princess is agreeable both to your Wisdom and Charity for we would never desire so vehemently to be joined in a strict and indissoluble Bond with any Mortal whatsoever whose Religion we hated You proceed in the Examination or rather as you affirm Derection of Ludlow's Lying in the Particulars excerpted from the King's Letter to the Pope 2 dly Quoth you What Sir you say That he calls Popery the Catholick Apostolick Roman Religion all others Novelty and Faction In what part of the Letter find you this Sir I tell you 't is false there is not one Syllable of this nature throughout the whole and I challenge the whole World of Malice to shew me any thing like it in the Letter And now again Sir

how the Mutinies and Disturbances in Scotland sprung from thence which truly I am very sorry for 'T is well we are agreed in this point that from the imposing this Liturgy the Scotish Troubles did arise so that hitherto there 's no Ungodliness in my Story But you proceed I am sure it had been better for them and the Christian Religion profess'd amongst them if they had submitted to the Vsage of that Book and continued it ever since This in truth Sir is ungodly and malicious all over you are sure it had been better for the Christian Religion c. Why not Protestant Religion CHRISTIAN RELIGION is indeed in its true and genuine Sense so good an Expression that a better cannot be found for the only true Religion but these Laudean Church-men the Papists in disguise must be narrowly watch'd for 't is notoriously known that they hold the roman-Roman-Church to be a true Church though we know 't is idolatrous We must hold them to the Shiboleth PROTESTANT when they pretend to tell us what is best for the Christian Religion Laud himself spoke at the rate which you crafty Turn-Goat here do his Letters expressed his fear of delay in bringing in the Common-Prayer-Book for the great good not of the Church of Scotland but of the Church My Lord Bishop of Salisbury may surely be allowed to be a more competent Judg in this matter than you He saith Pag. 30. of his Memoires The Liturgy had some Alterations from the English which made it more invidious and less satisfactory The imposing it really varied from their former Practices and Constitutions Pag. 33. The Lords petitioned complaining against the Liturgy and Book of Canons offering under the highest Penalties to prove they contained things both contrary to Religion and the Laws of the Land Pag. 36. The Earls of Traquaire and Roxburgh by Letter to the King advised him to secure the People of that which they so much apprehended the fear of Innovation of Religion saying that they found few or none well satisfied Pag. 33. The Earl of Trequaire went to Court and gave account that all the Troubles were occasioned by the introducing the Liturgy with which scarce a Member of Council except Bishops was well satisfied neither were all these cordially for it for the Arch-bishop of St. Andrews from the beginning had withstood these Designs and the Arch-bishop of Glasgow was worse pleased See now what the Scotish Nation offered against this Liturgy which you Doctor are sure it had been better for them and the Christian Religion if they had received and used it Their Commissioners in their Charge against Laud exhibited in our Parliament in 1641 say Pag. 11 c. This Book inverteth the Order of the Communion in the Book of England of the divers secret Reasons of this change we mention one only In joining the Spiritual Praise and Thanksgiving which is in the Book of England pertinently after the Communion with the Prayer of Consecration before the Communion and that under the Name of Memorial or Oblation for no other end but that the Memorial and Sacrifice of Praise mentioned in it may be understood according to the Popish Meaning Bellar. de Missâ lib. 2. cap. 21. Not of the Spiritual Sacrifice but of the Oblation of the Body of the Lord. The corporal Presence of Christ's Body is also to be found here for the words of the Mass-Book serving to this purpose which are not to be found in the Book of England are taken in here Almighty God is incall'd that of his Almighty Goodness he may vouchsafe so to bless and sanctify with his Word and Spirit these Gifts of Bread and Wine that they be unto us the Body and Blood of Christ. On the other part the Expressions of the Book of England at the delivery of the Elements Of feeding on Christ by Faith and of eating and drinking in remembrance that Christ died for thee are utterly deleted Now one would think that if such a whissling Doctor as you are were not past all shame as you affirm me to be it would make you blush but we may sooner expect to see you burst that you who appeared but now very tender of passing a Judgment upon the Actions of the accused Star-Chamber should be found so pragmatical so arrogant as to censure King Charles the First who damn'd this very Book by Act of Parliament and the Kingdom and Church of Scotland in this Point and declare That you are sure it had been better for them and the Christian Religion if they had submitted to the Vsage of this Babylonish Book and continued it ever since But you are so inflexible that there 's little hope of reconciling you to that Nation I had almost said to the King and Queen unless this well-approved Liturgy be sent down once more and entertained there For then you say pag. 18. the Worship of God would be performed with Order and Decency and in a way suitable to his Divine Nature and Perfections And consequently could not have been nauseous to the soberly wise and seriously devout part of that Kingdom as now it is by reason of those rude and undigested Addresses those ex-tempore and unpremeditated Expostulations with God those bold and saucy Applications that for want of a good Book or a well-framed Form of Prayer of their own before-hand and committed to memory are so commonly made use of in their Pulpits too many of the accounts of which we have lately since the great Turn in Scotland received from very good Hands and undeniable Testimonies This is I am sure a nauseating if not an ungodly and prophane way of Talking You poor weak Man as you are run away with a gross Mistake that because there were Bishops in Scotland till the great Turn as you term the legal Settlement of that Church by their present Majesties they had also a Common-Prayer Book but believe me or let it alone as you please they had no such thing it was detested even by many of their Episcopal Clergy I shall not pretend to remark upon your most unbecoming and malicious Representation of the praying of the present Ministers of that Kingdom but 't is well known that their Divines are of good Ability and every way well qualified for the discharge of the Ministerial Function And whereas you pretend to recommend a well-framed Form of Prayer of their own before-hand and committed to Memory for the prevention of rude and undigested Addresses bold and saucy Applications I would fain know of you what Canon allows a Minister of the Church of England to frame his own Prayer and to mutter out a good part of it so as no body can tell what he says And then to rise constantly in his Voice when he comes to the Ox and the Ass But to talk seriously of this most serious Matter pray see what the Devout and Learned Bishop of Salisbury says of such Doctors as your self in his Sermon Ian. 30. 1680.

Reason because you would have done it better You proceed pag. 16. saying The Iustice of the Nation ought not to be afraid of accounting with such bold Men as they shew'd themselves Mr. Burton speaking of the Bishops instead of Pillars calls them Caterpillers instead of Fathers Step-fathers O horrid is this true Why this was almost as bad as his laying open the Innovations in Doctrine Worship and Ceremonies which had lately crept into the Church and wishing the People to beware of them which I mention to be charg'd upon him and I question whether his Eares and 5000 l. Fine would have paid the Reckoning if Hollingworth had been in Laud's place But what then would have aton'd for Dr. Bastwick's Transgression He say you in his Answer to the Information against him inserted these words That the Prelates are Invaders of the King's Prerogative Contemners and Despisers of the Holy Scripture Advancers of Popery and Superstition Idolatry and Profaneness Also they abuse the King's Authority to the Oppression of his Loyal Subjects and therein exercise great Cruelty Tyranny and Injustice and in Execution of those impious Performances they shew neither Wit Honesty nor Temperance nor are they either Servants of God or of the King but of the Devil being Enemies to God and of every living Thing that is good And concluded that he the said Dr. Bastwick is ready to maintain these things thus put down Now seeing that they cut off his Ears for these Expressions without bringing the Point to trial I will put my self in his place and stake mine against yours that I will make good every Syllable in this Charge against that Caterpiller Laud and some of his Brethren when I see you take it to pieces and say in your Rhetorical Flights This is false That 's a Lie And I will give it under my hand into the Bargain that I will prove that these Bishops were a Generation of Vipers which on any terms would have eaten their way to Preferment through the Intrails of either Church or State you may make your best on 't Doctor In your 17 th Page you affirm That these three Men suffered for Libelling the Government and putting Indignities and Affronts upon the then legal Administrators I have shown you the heinous Transgressions of Dr. Bastwick and Mr. Burton but you leave us in the dark as to Mr. Pryn's therefore pray let this put you in mind when you write next to tell the World what those Indignities and Affronts were for which Mr. Pryn suffered because I have been told 't was for publishing a Book which Dr. Buckner Chaplain to the Arch-bishop I do not mean the Villain Laud but that excellent Pattern for Bishops Dr. Abbot did approve and license to be printed Having finished your Vindication of the Punishment of these Persons you dismiss it thus pag. 17. And so much by way of Answer so that part of your Book by which you have endeavoured to blacken the good King's Reign and to run down the Reputation of Bishop Laud and to express your Indignation against me for saying otherways he was a very good Man I see a Man cannot for his Heart prevail upon this Hare-brain'd Doctor to let Laud alone but whether we will or not he will go on to murder the Reputation of this his Martyr You run on thus without Fear Wit or Honesty I say still he was a good Man and have a very good Man to back me Iudg Whitlock a Man of a clear Credit and sound Iudgment who as his Son tells me in his Memoirs said of him that he had too much Fire but was a just and good Man This is to purpose if it hath the necessary Ingredient of Truth But I observe now that when you have a sure Second one upon whom you can depend you constantly quote the Page as well as Author but you left me here very unkindly to turn over a large Folio to find Judg Whitlock's Character of Laud and at length I pitch'd upon it in the Mem. pag. 32. in these very words Laud was more busy in Temporal Affairs and Matters of State than his Predecessors of late times had been Iudg Whitlock who was anciently and throughly acquainted with him and his Disposition would say he was too full of Fire though a just and good Man and that his want of Experience in State-Matters and his too much Zeal for the Church and Heat if he proceeded in the way he was then in would set this Nation on fire But this you intended to conceal And now I think that the Iudg did not only speak like a very good Man but like a Prophet and I wish you much Joy of Mr. Whitlock's Authority whom some will tell you you had much better have let alone Well that I may once for all rid my hands of this troublesome Bishop such you make him to this day I will give you his Character from another very good Man a Person of clear Credit and sound Judgment we all know that is Sir Harbottle Grimston 't is in his Speech upon the Arch-bishops Impeachment in 1641 which you will find printed in the Continuation of Rushworth's Collections now published We are saith he fallen upon the great Man the Arch-bishop of Canterbury look upon him as he is in his Highness and he is the Sty of all pestilent Filth that hath infected the State and Government of the Church and Common-wealth look upon him in his Dependencies and he is the Man the only Man that hath raised and advanced all those that together with himself have been the Authors and Causers of all the Ruins Miseries and Calamities we now groan under Who is it but he only that brought in the Earl of Strafford a fit Instrument and Spirit to act and execute all his wicked and bloody Designs in these Kingdoms Who is it but he only that brought in Secretary Windebank the very Broker and Pander to the Whore of Babylon Who is it but he only that hath advanc'd Bishop Manwaring the Bishop of Bath and Wells the Bishop of Oxford and Bishop W●en the least of all but the most unclean one These are Men that should have fed Christ's Flock but they are the Wolves that devoured them It was the Happiness of our Church when the Zeal of God's House did eat up the Bishops glorious and brave Martyrs that went to the Stake in the defence of the Protestant Religion but the Zeal of these Bishops hath been to eat up and persecute the Church He hath been and is the common Enemy to all Goodness and good Men. So much for this otherways good Man What have we next You say Pag. 18. I come now to make some Reflections upon your Scotch● Story which you have told with so much Venom and Partiality that you have every ways acted like your malicious and ungodly self You begin with a Relation of Bishop Laud 's what more of Laud still composing a Common-Prayer-Book for them and tell us