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A53688 The doctrine of the saints perseverance, explained and confirmed, or, The certain permanency of their 1. acceptation with God & 2. sanctification from God manifested & proved from the 1. eternal principles 2. effectuall causes 3. externall meanes thereof ... vindicated in a full answer to the discourse of Mr. John Goodwin against it, in his book entituled Redemption redeemed : with some degressions concerning 1. the immediate effects of the death of Christ ... : with a discourse touching the epistles of Ignatius, the Episcopacy in them asserted, and some animadversions on Dr. H.H. his dissertations on that subject / by John Owen ... Owen, John, 1616-1683. 1654 (1654) Wing O740; ESTC R21647 722,229 498

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not incumbent on him to prove those with whom he hath to do are of another mind although by this time some Alteration might be attempted yea there was as else where shall be shewed and so much for Ignatius his Archi-Episcopacy The example of Alexandria is urged in the next place in these words idem de Alexandriâ de quâ Eusebius Marcum 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ecclesias in plurali primum in Alexandriâ instituisse Has omnes ab eo sub nomine 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 administrandas suscepisse Annianum Neronis anno octavo idem Eusebius affirmat quibus patet primariam Alexandriae Patriarchalem cathedram fixam esse ad quam reliquae provinciae illius ecclesiae à Marco plantatae ut ad metropoliticam suam pertinebant doubtless for 1 There is not any passage in any ancient Author more clearly discovering the uncertainty of many things in Antiquity then this pointed to by the Doctour in Eusebius For first the sending of Mark the Evangelist into Egypt and his preaching there at Alexandria what he had written in the Gospel is but a report Men said so but what ground they had for their saying so he relates not And yet we know what a foundation of many Assertions by following Writers this Rumor or report is made to be 2 In the very next words the Authour affirmes and insists long upon it in the next Chapter that Philo's book 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 was written concerning the Christians converted by Mark 's preaching at Alexandria when it is notoriously known that it treateth of the Essens a Sect among the Jewes amongst whole observances many things were vaine superstitious and foolish unworthy to be once applauded as the practise of any Christian in those dayes that same Philo as far as can be gathred living and dying in the Jewish Religion having been employed by them with an Apology to Rome in the daies of Caligula But 3. Suppose that Marke were at Alexandria and preached the Gospel there which is not improbable and planted sundry Churches in that great and populous City of Jewes and Gentiles and that as an Evangelist the care of those Churches was upon him in a peculiar manner nay and adde farther that after his death as Hierome assures us the Elders and Presbyters of those Churches chose out one among themselves to Praeside in their convocations meetings If I say all this be supposed what will ensue why then it is manifest that there was fixed at Alexandria a Patriarchal Chaire a Metro-political Church according to the Appointment of Jesus Chirst by his Apostles Si hoc non sit probationum satis nescio quid sit satis If some few congregations live together in love and communion and the fellowship of the Gospel in a City he is stark blind that sees not that to be an Arch-Bishops See The reason is as cleare as his in the Comedian for the freedome of his Wife Sy utinam Phrygiam uxorem meam unâ mecum videam liberam Dem Optimam mulierem quidem Sy Et quidem nepoti tuo hujus filio hodiè primam mammam dedit haec Dem herclè verô serio siquidem primam dedit hand dubium quin emitti Aequam siet Mic ob eam rem Dem ob eam and there is an end of the contest The Doctour indeed hath sundry other Sections added to these foregoing which as they concerne times more remote from those who first received the Apostolical institutions so I must ingeniously profess that I cannot see any thing wheron to fasten a suspition of a proof so far as to call it into examination and therefore I shall absolve the Reader from the penalty of this Digression The truth is when I first named Ignatius for a witness in the cause I am pleading for I little thought of that excursion which I have occasionally been drawn out unto When first I cast an eye some few months since upon the Dissertation of the Learned Doctor in defence of Episcopacy saw it so Cheker'd with Greek and Latine so full of quotations divine humane I began to think that he dealt with his Adversaries hastisque clypeisque saxis grandibus that there would be no standing before his showre of arguments but after a little ferious perusal I must take leave to say that I was quickly of another mind with the reason of which change of thoughts could I once obtaine the leasure of a few dayes or howres I should quickly God willing acquaint them who are concerned in Affaires of this nature In the meane time if the Reader will pardon me this digression having given him an account of my thoughts concerning the Epistles of Ignatius I shall in a procedure upon my first intention bring forth some Testimonies from him valeant quantùm valere possunt He seemes in the first place to speak sufficiently clearly to the death of Christ for his Church for Believers in a peculiar manner which is one considerable bottome and foundation of the truth we plead for Epist ad Trall 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and againe Epistolâ ad Philad by Christ saith he 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with many the like expressions His confidence also of the Saints perseverance for whom Christ thus dyed he doth often profess Speaking of the faith of the Gospel he addes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And againe more clearly and fully to the same purpose Epist ad Smyrn 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. And this confirmation and establishment in believing he ascribes not to their manly considerations but to the grace of Christ exclusively to any of their own strength Epist ad Smyrn 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 saith he of him selfe 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 To the same purpose and with the same confident perswasion he speakes Epist ad Ephes. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. And againe in the same Epistle 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And in his last Epistle he gives us that noble Expression of his own assurance 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 where we leave the holy soule until the same God gather us to him the rest of the spirits of just men made perfect And this was the language these were the Expressions of this holy man which what they discover of his judgment to the case under consideration is left to the learned Reader to consider This I am certaine our Adversaries have very little cause to boast of the consent of the Primitive Christians with them in the doctrine of Apostacy there being in these most antient writers after the Apostles about the things of our Religion not the least shadow cast upon it for it's refreshment Adde in the next place the most Antient of the Latines Tertullian that great store-house of all manner of learning and knowledge saith he Quemadmodùm nobis arrhabonem spiritus reliquit ita à nobis arrhabonem carnis accepit vexit in Coelum pignus totius summae illuc redigendae Tertullian de Resur