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A86484 A rejoynder to Master Samuel Eaton and Master Timothy Taylor's reply. Or, an answer to their late book called A defence of sundry positions and scriptures, &c. With some occasionall animadversions on the book called the Congregational way justified. For the satisfaction of all that seek the truth in love, especially for his dearly beloved and longed for, the inhabitants in and neer to Manchester in Lancashire. / Made and published by Richard Hollinworth. Mancuniens. Hollingworth, Richard, 1607-1656. 1647 (1647) Wing H2496; Thomason E391_1; ESTC R201545 213,867 259

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andrew_n thomas_n etc._n etc._n paul_n and_o barnabas_n assemble_v a_o whole_a year_n with_o the_o church_n at_o antioch_n though_o they_o do_v not_o covenant_v themselves_o into_o it_o be_v say_v to_o be_v within_o that_o church_n act_v 11.26_o cum_fw-la cap._n 13.1_o and_o therefore_o if_o implicit_a covenant_n agreement_n or_o combination_n do_v make_v a_o true_a church_n we_o be_v not_o deficient_a therein_o 5._o as_o for_o that_o of_o the_o sichemite_n be_v one_o people_n that_o be_v to_o say_v one_o church_n or_o one_o people_n to_o god_n as_o elsewhere_o you_o phrase_v it_o i_o conceive_v that_o simeon_n and_o levi_n do_v not_o pretend_v they_o to_o be_v one_o church_n neither_o will_v this_o have_v be_v a_o acceptable_a motion_n to_o a_o heathenish_a idolatrous_a people_n nor_o will_v circumcision_n alone_o have_v effect_v it_o edomite_n and_o other_o be_v circumcise_a and_o yet_o be_v not_o of_o the_o jewish_a church_n except_o they_o have_v renounce_v their_o idol_n and_o become_v proselyte_n 2._o i_o conceive_v the_o poor_a sichemite_n have_v no_o thought_n of_o alter_v their_o religion_n for_o a_o wife_n nor_o will_v the_o man_n of_o the_o city_n in_o all_o probability_n have_v so_o unanimous_o consent_v to_o it_o they_o may_v look_v upon_o circumcision_n as_o a_o national_a rite_n and_o by_o be_v one_o people_n they_o do_v interpret_v themselves_o to_o mean_v of_o a_o civil_a union_n viz._n dwelling_n trade_a marry_v one_o with_o another_o enjoy_v the_o cattle_n and_o substance_n one_o of_o another_o gen._n 34.21_o of_o any_o overture_n or_o pretence_n of_o simeon_n and_o levi_n or_o any_o desire_n or_o hope_v that_o the_o sichem_n tes_fw-fr have_v that_o they_o shall_v be_v one_o church_n one_o people_n to_o god_n partaker_n of_o the_o same_o sacrifice_n and_o ceremony_n there_o be_v no_o mention_n i_o conceive_v therefore_o it_o be_v but_o your_o gloss_n what_o covenant_n be_v involue_v in_o circumcision_n we_o shall_v show_v hereafter_o sect._n 2._o reply_n p._n 38._o relation_n and_o combination_n to_o domestic_a end_n and_o purpose_n be_v the_o form_n of_o a_o family_n unto_o politic_a and_o civil_a end_n be_v the_o form_n of_o a_o commonwealth_n etc._n etc._n and_o so_o relation_n and_o combination_n of_o so_o many_o saint_n as_o may_v well_o meet_v in_o one_o place_n unto_o the_o enjoyment_n of_o church-ordinance_n do_v make_v a_o church_n rejoin_v 1._o do_v you_o not_o mean_v that_o this_o agreement_n or_o covenant_n be_v only_o of_o they_o that_o be_v svi_fw-la juris_fw-la must_v every_o member_n of_o the_o commonwealth_n as_o mean_a man_n servant_n woman_n child_n per_fw-la se_fw-la at_o least_o implicit_o consent_n to_o their_o relation_n or_o combination_n in_o the_o commonwealth_n and_o every_o particular_a member_n of_o a_o city_n and_o family_n also_o or_o he_o else_o be_v not_o to_o be_v judge_v one_o in_o that_o commonwealth_n city_n or_o family_n and_o do_v you_o hold_v the_o same_o of_o church-relation_n 2._o 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that_o any_o former_a agreement_n or_o covenant_n make_v by_o our_o parent_n unto_o domestic_a politic_n or_o ecclesiastic_a end_n and_o purpose_n do_v not_o bind_v we_o their_o child_n and_o successor_n but_o notwithstanding_o the_o same_o we_o without_o a_o particular_a and_o personal_a consent_n be_v not_o of_o the_o same_o family_n city_n commonwealth_n or_o church_n that_o they_o be_v of_o i_o pray_v you_o express_v yourselves_o plain_o sect._n 3_o reply_n p._n 38._o a_o solemn_a express_v and_o verbal_a covenant_n or_o agreement_n we_o assert_v necessary_a to_o the_o purity_n and_o strength_n of_o a_o church_n how_o shall_v saint_n and_o they_o alone_o live_v promiscuous_o in_o the_o world_n have_v communion_n together_o without_o express_v verbal_a consent_n which_o yet_o we_o judge_v aught_o to_o be_v if_o the_o rule_n be_v well_o attend_v rev._n 22.27_o &_o 22.14_o and_o how_o else_o such_o looseness_n as_o in_o our_o parssh_n church_n from_o which_o we_o may_v remove_v into_o 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officer_n pay_v lay_n and_o tax_n assist_v officer_n and_o bear_v office_n if_o require_v do_v tacit_o agree_v that_o he_o be_v a_o manchester_n man_n and_o yet_o we_o do_v not_o say_v he_o have_v enter_v into_o covenant_n or_o that_o none_o can_v be_v a_o manchester_n man_n but_o by_o covenant_n 5._o your_o solemn_a covenant_n be_v before_o the_o choose_n of_o officer_n which_o distinguish_v it_o from_o all_o such_o covenant_n as_o be_v make_v by_o a_o church_n have_v officer_n 6._o it_o bind_v man_n not_o to_o depart_v without_o leave-asking_a which_o though_o it_o be_v no_o ordinance_n of_o god_n but_o a_o politic_a invention_n yet_o it_o do_v infringe_v much_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o church_n member_n which_o the_o else_o in_o some_o case_n may_v lawful_o depart_v without_o leave_n ask_v 7._o if_o a_o man_n can_v in_o conscience_n consent_n to_o your_o covenant_n he_o shall_v be_v seclude_v from_o the_o sacrament_n though_o he_o be_v never_o so_o fit_a and_o holy_a 8._o your_o covenant_n do_v translate_v man_n and_o remove_v man_n out_o of_o our_o church_n into_o you_o and_o make_v they_o member_n of_o a_o distinct_a church_n whereas_o scripture-covenant_n at_o the_o most_o do_v but_o confirm_v if_o so_o much_o man_n in_o their_o church-state_n if_o you_o can_v show_v such_o a_o church-covenant_n as_o this_o in_o scripture_n or_o that_o have_v all_o the_o essential_o of_o your_o church-covenant_n than_o i_o shall_v incline_v to_o believe_v it_o not_o only_o lawful_a but_o necessary_a to_o the_o church_n welbeing_n but_o i_o can_v believe_v any_o thing_n to_o be_v necessary_a to_o the_o strength_n and_o purity_n of_o the_o church_n if_o it_o can_v be_v find_v in_o scripture_n some_o have_v say_v if_o set_v form_n of_o prayer_n have_v be_v lawful_a christ_n will_v have_v prescribe_v they_o i_o may_v much_o rather_o say_v if_o this_o church-covenant_n be_v so_o necessary_a christ_n will_v have_v prescribe_v it_o
their_o hand_n at_o the_o dissolution_n of_o abbey_n they_o may_v either_o give_v they_o to_o the_o ministry_n or_o dispose_v they_o to_o private_a person_n or_o possess_v they_o to_o the_o public_a use_n the_o present_a inhabitant_n or_o countryman_n have_v no_o more_o legal_a right_n unto_o they_o where_o they_o be_v assign_v to_o the_o ministry_n then_o where_o they_o be_v assign_v to_o other_o person_n and_o use_n for_o when_o they_o buy_v or_o take_v their_o land_n they_o do_v not_o think_v of_o buy_v or_o take_v the_o tithe_n or_o do_v the_o seller_n or_o setter_n think_v of_o set_v or_o sell_v they_o if_o they_o have_v they_o will_v have_v require_v more_o money_n for_o the_o sale_n or_o lease_n sect._n 6._o reply_v p._n 61._o there_o be_v great_a inequality_n in_o tithe_n and_o in_o all_o settle_a maintenance_n if_o not_o unrighteousness_n person_n who_o estate_n arise_v from_o trading_n and_o consist_v in_o good_n not_o have_v any_o land_n in_o some_o place_n pay_v nothing_o to_o the_o ministry_n out_o of_o duty_n and_o so_o the_o country_n maintain_v the_o ministry_n of_o the_o town_n though_o many_o chapel_n perhaps_o be_v rob_v thereby_o and_o person_n who_o be_v much_o poor_a in_o estate_n than_o other_o but_o have_v large_a land_n than_o they_o yet_o pay_v more_o because_o of_o their_o land_n than_o they_o and_o if_o house_n be_v rate_v or_o man_n present_a estate_n value_v and_o maintenance_n settle_v in_o the_o just_a proportion_n yet_o because_o man_n estate_n be_v like_o the_o moon_n some_o in_o the_o increase_n other_o in_o the_o decrease_n it_o will_v soon_o grow_v unto_o a_o inequality_n again_o beside_o man_n estate_n lie_v many_o time_n where_o their_o person_n inhabit_v not_o neither_o can_v inhabit_v and_o then_o their_o estate_n go_v to_o maintain_v a_o ministry_n to_o which_o they_o do_v not_o belong_v and_o they_o be_v so_o much_o the_o more_o disable_v i●_n support_v the_o ministry_n to_o which_o they_o do_v belong_v rejoynd_a 1._o be_v 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a_o great_a rent_n or_o a_o great_a chief_n than_o a_o rich_a man_n that_o have_v less_o 3._o you_o count_v it_o lawful_a for_o the_o state_n to_o allow_v settle_a maintenance_n how_o can_v they_o do_v it_o any_o way_n but_o there_o will_v be_v some_o pretence_n of_o inequality_n or_o unrighteousness_n if_o the_o state_n do_v allow_v a_o independent_a minister_n 40._o l._n 50._o l._n or_o 100_o l._n per_fw-la annum_fw-la out_o of_o the_o sequester_a tithe_n of_o a_o neighbour_a parish_n may_v not_o the_o people_n complain_v of_o inequality_n and_o injustice_n as_o well_o 〈◊〉_d if_o they_o be_v of_o a_o minister_n own_o parish_n and_o pay_v their_o tithe_n to_o he_o 4._o if_o any_o inequality_n or_o unrighteousness_n be_v now_o or_o hereafter_o the_o parliament_n may_v from_o time_n to_o time_n rectify_v it_o 5._o if_o tithe_n be_v so_o burdensome_a as_o you_o say_v they_o be_v to_o the_o poor_a what_o if_o it_o be_v possible_a to_o find_v some_o poor_a church-member_n to_o pay_v much_o 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