also heretofore tract 2. c. 2. sect 3. in the marâ—ent vnder the letters n. o. The other like examples of sundry articles of the Protestants faith mencioned and condemned in other confessed Heretickes as namely in PETER BRVIS Almericus the Albigenses and the Apostolici so plainely were the Protestants seuerall doctrines not purposely suppressed or passed ouer in silence but in all times euer as they appeared specially recorded and condemned now sithence taught by Protestants and heretofore seuerally profeâ—â—ed by soâ—e one or other perticuler coÌ„demned person of those times 3. Thirdly supposing with Protestants that their Church is a true Church it is against manifest scripture which testifieth of the true Church that (a) Esay 60 20. her sonne should not be set nor her moone hid that she (b) Daniel 2 44. should not be geuen to an other people but should stand for euer as (c) Esay 60 15 16. an eternall glorie and ioy from generation to generation 4 Lastly it is against the euident confession of our learned aduersaries who acknowledge their owne Church to haue bene in regard of externall profession for many hundreth yeeres past (d) See before tract 2. c. 1. sect 4 post medium inuisible and (e) See Mr. Iohn Nappeire vpon the reualatioÌ„s in c. 12. page 161. col 3 circa medium withdrawne from open assemblies to the hartes of particuler godly men THAT EVEN LVTHER HIM SELFE WAS no member of the English Protestants Church nor professor of their Religion SECT 10. LIKE as it appeareth by the premises that our aduersaries are not able to find out any testimonie or proofe of their Churches administration of the word and sacraments for so many seuerall ages before Luther their principall examples of Waldo Wicliffe Husse c. being heretofore discouered for altogether insufficient so likewise in further euidence we will now shew the like insufficiencie also euen in the very example of Luther him selfe concerning whom we will endeuour two speciall points the First that Luther neuer was of the Englishe Protestants now faith and religioÌ„ Secondly that though he were yet is his example therin of no force in this behalfe not for so much as for his owne time Now concerning the First namely that our aduersaries may not challenge Luther to haue bin of their now Church and religion appeareth by his sundry grosse and confessed errors wherin they are enforced to disclaime As for example 1 First coÌ„cerning the successe and preseruation of our Christian profession in generall he affirmed and taught to the great daunger therof that (f) Luther in assertionibus damnat per Leonem decimum Artic. 34. which was praeliari aduersus Turcas est repugnare Deo visitanti iniquitates nostras per illos And in explicat articuli 34. he saith emong his other defence therof Ite praeliamini contra Turcas vt resistatis virgae Dei cadatis sicut Achab cecidit And in epistola contra duo mandata imperialia he further saith Oro cunctos pios Christianos ne vllo modo sequamur vel in militiamâ—re vel dare aliquid contra Turcas quandoquidem Turca decies prudentior probiorque est quám Principes nostri to warre against the Turkes was to resist God visiting our sinnes by them the which opinion he did also afterwardes more at large defend concluding and saying (g) Luther in explicat Art 34. prope finem and hereof see the treatise against the defence of the censure page 230. ante med 231. initio Luther in his booke de bello contra Turcas affirmeth that the Deuill by Gods permission did gouerne hinder the Councells and assemblies of the Princes of Germanie for no other cause but that his article of not warring against the Turke might remaine in force and vncondeÌ„ned He that hath eares to heare let him heare and abstaine from the Turkish warres whiles the Popes name preuaileth vnder heauen I haue saide And wheras Doctor Fulke doth excuse all this as (h) Mr. Fulke in his Apologie of the professors of the Gospell c. against Peter Frarine page 31. initio meant of those Christians which were vnder the Turkes Dominion It is so directly against the scope and (*) His former mencion of God visiting our sinnes by the Turke and likewise of the Pope and also of the Princes of Germanie and the wholle passage of his treatise made therof at large auoideth this answere in so much as the author against the defence of the censure page 231. laboureth to excuse Luther otherwise circumstance of Luthers wordes that Roff nsis (i) Roffensis in confut Assert Luther printed 1523. Art 34. did therefore write speciâ—lly against this his foresaâ—d doctrine at large â—eciting and confuting his reasons which foresaid doctrine of Luther was also so knowne (*) Hereof see Belforest in Cosmogra l. 2. c. 7. col 579. gratefull to the Turke that as Luthers owne â—choller reporteth (k) Manlius in loc comun pag. 636. fine the Turkish Emperour to the great shame of Luther hearing therof demaunded our Christian Embassadour how oulâ— Luther was and wished him yonger promisiâ—g to be his good Lord. And the Duke of Saxony a professor of Luthers doctrine was accordingly charged (l) Hereof see SleidaÌ„ l. 18. fol. 277. ante med as being confederate with the Turke In so much has Erasmus whom our aduersaries thinke to haue bene indifferently (m) Act. mon. pa. 404. a. fine affected towards Luther saith hereof (n) Erasmus in epistola ad fratres inferioris Germaniae pag. 39. many of the Saxones following that first doctrine of Luther denied to Cesar and King Ferdinando aide against the Turke c. and saide they had rather fight for a Turke not baptized then for a Turke baptized therby meaning the Emperour 2 Secondly concerning the Canonicall scriptures it is euident that Luther denied sundry coÌ„fessed parts therof concerning the Apocalips Bullenger giueth testimonie saying (o) Bullenger vpon the Apocalips englished c. 1. serm 1. fol. 2. a. post med Doctor Martine Luther hath as it were sticked this bookâ— by a sharpe preface set before his first aedition of the new Testament in dutch for which his iudgmeÌ„t good and learned men were offâ—nded with him and concerning the epistle of S. Iames Luther saith therof (p) Luther prefat in epist Iacobi in aeditione Ienensi The Epistle of Iames is contentious swelling dry strawne vnworthy an Apostolicall spirit In so much as liliricus Luthers scholler expresseth and defendeth Luthers foresaid iudgment saying (q) Illiricus prefat in Iacobum Luther in his preface vpon S. Iames epistle giueth great reasons why this epistle ought in no case to be accounted for a writing of Apostolicke authoritie vnto which reasons I thinke euery godly man ought to yeeld which foresaid iudgmeÌ„t of Luther concerning these and other partes of the new Testament is yet to this day so continued and defended by Luthers owne
man R. Hoe 1599. The treatise against the defence of the Censure printed by Thomas Thomas V Vrsinus his Doctrinae Christianae CompeÌ„d sive ComeÌ„tarij Catechetici Lond. 1586. Vrsinus his booke entituled Comonefactio cuiusdam Theologi de S. caena eiusdem Comonefactionis consideratio M.D.LXXXIII Vrbanus Rhegius his Loci Comunes 1545. W Willet his Synopsis Papismi 1592. Whitaker contra Duraeum Londini 1583. Whitaker de Sacra Scriptura contra Bellarminum Herbonae M.D.XC. Whitaker de Ecclesia contra Bellarminum 1599. Whitguift now Lord Archbishop of c. his defence of the answere to the admonition against the reply of T. C. 1574. Willet his Tetrastilon Papismi c. 1599. Whitaker his Responsio ad Rationes Edm. Campiani c. printed Lichae 1604. Wicelius his Methodus concordiae Ecclesiasticae printed 1537. A TABLE OF CERTAINE FATHERS and of the Anno Domini in which they liued Anno Dom. Fathers 880. Adouiennensis 670. Agatho P. 120. Alexander Primus 140. Algerus 730. Alcuinus 380. Ambrosius 870. Anastasius Bibliothee 1080. Anselmus 300. Arnobius 430. Augustinus HipponeÌ„ses 600. August Ang. Episcopus 379. Athanasius 1450. Antoninus 130. Athenagoras 370. Basilius Ephesim 700. Beda Venerabilis 1120. Bernardus 1460. Bessarion 605. Bonifatius tertius P. 840. Bertram Presbiter 560. Cassiodorus 390. Chrisostomus 430. Cirrill Alexandrinus 510. Cirill Hierosol 240. Ciprian 80. Clemens P. 1. 180. Clemens Alexandrinus 1220. Cesarius Heâ—sterbach 240. Cornelius P. 370. Damasus P. 720. Damascen 90. Dionisius Ariopagita 380. Epiâ—hanius 520. Eusebius Emissen 520. Euagrius 520. Eusâ—bius Caesariensis 500. Ennodius 490. Gelasius P. 590. Gregorius Magnus 340. Gregorius Nazianzen 340. Gregorius Nissenus 570. Gregorius Turonensis 1060. Guitmundus 540. Gildas 1120. Glycas 790. Haymo 430. Hierom. 370. Hillarius Pictauensis 240. Hippolitus 1216. Honorius P. tertius 1320. Iohannes Zonaras 100. Ignatius 400. Inocentius P. 1. 170. Ireneus 630. Isidorus 130. Iustinus Martir 800. Ionas Aurelianensis 1100. Iuo Carnotensis 320. Lactantius 1050. Lanfrancus 440. Leo 1. P. 1300. Lyra. 540. Liberatus 50. Martialis 1440. Marcus Ephesinus 250. Methodus 580. Michaell Singelus 1060. Marianus Scotus 1250. Matheus Paris 230. Minutius Foelix 1300. Nicephorus Calixtus 1230. Nicholaus Methonens 860. Nicholaus 1. P. 230. Origen 350. Optatus 1170. Otho Frisnigensis 1170. Odo Parisiensis 390. Pacâ—anus 140 Poli rates 380. Prudentius 880. Paschasius 770. Paulus Diaconus 350. Philastrius 450. Prosper Rhegiensis 460. Proclus Constantinop 420. Paulinus Nolanus 860. Photius Constantinop 390. Possidonius 30. Philo. 1140. Petrus Lombardus 440. Primasius 1150. Petrus Cluniacensis 1050. Petrus Damianus 390. Rufinus 850. Rabanus Maurus 1120. Rupertus Tuitiens 380. Siricius Papa 1100. Sigebert GemblaceÌ„sis 420. Sozimus P. 430. Socrates Hist 450. Sozomen Hist 1482. Sabellicus 460. Sedulius 980. Suidas 320. Silvester Papa 220. Tertullian 370. Theodoret. 880. Theophilact 1380. Thomas Waldensis 1260. Thomas Aquinas 1490. Trithemias 390. Theophilus Alexander 170. Theophilus Antioch 180. Tatianus 420. Vincentius Lyrinensis 1220. Vispergensis Abbas 1482 Volateran 160. Victor Papa 480. Victor Vticensis A TABLE OF THE CONTENTS of everie severall Section TRACT 1. SECT 1 THAT Englishmen were aboue 1000. yeares since converted to the now professed Catholike faith pag. 2. SECT 2 That the same faith was vniuersally professed for sundrie ages then before and was also agreeable to that first faith whereto the Brittaines of Wales were converted in the Apostles times pag. 4. SECT 3 A further Demonstration by coÌ„fessed testimonie from the Fathers that it was taught in the Apostles times pag. 9. SECT 4 Another like Demonstration thereof by testimonies from the auncient Iewes pag. 23. SECT 5 That true miracles make a stronge argument and that the foresaid faith whereto the English were converted was confirmed with such miracles pag. 34. SECT 6 That his Maiesties Auncestors liued and died in that faith and that it is acknowledged by Protestants for sufficient to salvation pag. 39. SECT 7 That Protestants cannot proue that the Romane Church did change her religion sinâ—e her first conversion thereto in the Apostles times pag. 45. SECT 8 That Catholikes are able to proue the contrarie by testimonie even from the learned Protestants pag. 60. TRACT 2. deuided into two chapters CAP. 1. SECT 1 THAT Christs Church was by the predictions of the Prophets foretolde to become vniuersall and to convert with great encrease the Kings and nations of the Gentiles pag. 73. SECT 2 That the same was not performed by Protestants during either the first or second 300. yeares after Christ pag. 76. SECT 3 That Constantine our first Christian Emperour was not of the Protestants but of the Catholike faith pag. 77. SECT 4 That after the second 300. yeares after Christ the foresaide predictions were not performed by the Protestants Church and were yet accomplished by the Catholike Church pag. 81. SECT 5 That the knowne defect thereof in the Protestants Church advantageth the Iewes against them made Sebastian Castalio doubtfull of his faith and David George an Apostata pag. 84. SECT 6 A confutation of the Protestants obiections answeres concerning their Churches not accomplishment of the said predictions pag. 87. CAP. 2. SECT 1 THAT the true Church must haue her Pastors administration of the Word and Sacraments evermore to continue pag. 91. SECT 2 That Protestants to proue the answerable performance thereof for former ages in their Church doe alledge promiscuously both Catholikes and knowne heretikes as members of their Church pag. 95. SECT 3 That Waldo who liued Anno Domini 1220. was no Protestant that therefore the examples of Waldo and his followers is not sufficient to proue but so much as for their times a continuance of the Protestant Churâ—hes administration of the Word and Sacraments pag. 98. SECT 4 The like is shewed of Wiclyffe who liued Anno Domini 1370. and his followers pag. 105. SECT 5 The like is shewed of Husse who liued An. Dom. 1400. and his followers pag. 109. SECT 6 That though Waldo Wiclyffe and Husse had bin Protestants yet their examples are insufficieÌ„t in this behalfe pag. 111. SECT 7 That the examples of Bertram Berengarius and others who liued before Waldo are also insufficieÌ„t to answere in this behalfe for their times pag. 115. SECT 8 A confutation of those Protestantes who answere that their churches administratioÌ„ of the Word and Sacraments did during all those times continue in being and yet withall remaine as then invisible or vnknowne with solution to the vsuall obiectioÌ„ of Elias complaint that he was left alone pag 120. SECT 9 A confutation of those who answere that their Churches administration of the Word and Sacraments continued during all those severall ages in being and also knowne that as now through the iniurie of latter times no testimonie or notice thereof is to vs at this day remaining pag. 124. SECT 10 That even Luther himselfe was no member of the English Protestants Church nor professor of their religion pag. 126. SECT 11 That also during the twentie yeares nexte
in the Apostles times and agreeing so far with vs and against our aduersaries in so many principall points of faith is not obscurely signified that our now Catholicke Religion is that Primatiue faith which the Apostles them selues first planted in all nations A FARTHER DEMONSTRATION BY Confessed Testimonie from the Fathers that it was taught in the Apostles time §. 3. VVHICH antiquitie or prescription of our professed Catholicke Doctrine vp to those Apostolicke times is also made as yet much more probable or rather euident by that which our learned aduersaries them selues do yet further acknowledge and collect from the writings of the more ancient Fathers To goe through euery (*) concerning euery perticuler see more fully hereafter Tract 2. c. 1. sect 3. perticuler would be ouer tedious to your MAIESTIE and improper to this place Vouchsafeth therefore your HIGHNES that we may giue instance in such as be cheefe 1 First concerning vowes it is acknowledged that (a) Peter Martir de votis pag. 490. fine saith erant ergo Clementis aetate professiones castitatis vota fateor Iam tum inceperant homines deflectere a verbo dei c. the profession and vowes of Chastitie were extant amonge Christians in the time of Clement Bishope of Alexandria that (â‹) Peter Martir ibidem pag. 524. fine saith Scio epiphaniuÌ„ cum multis alijs ex patribus in eo errare quod peccatuÌ„ esse dicant votum huiusmodi violare cum opus fuerit male illum id referre in traditiones Apostolicas Epiphanius many other Fathers erred therin that (b) centur 3. c. 6. col 140. line 27 centur 3. c. 7. col 176. line 39. Tertulian and Ciprian taught vowes of Chastitie That the same haue bene vsed (c) Caluin institut l. 4. c. 13. sect 17. ab vltima memoria and antiquitus receptum that (d) Peter Martir de celebatu votis versus finem imediately after the Apostles times to much was attributed to vowes that Ignatius him selfe though their scholler signifieth in his epistles his (e) centur 2. c. 4. col 64. line 40. It is said ex epistolis Ignasij apparet homines iam tum paulo impensius caepisse amare venerari virginitatis studium nam in epist ad Antioch ait virgines videant cui se consecrarins to much liking of that profession and (f) Centur. 2. c. 10. col 167. line 24. de virginitate minus comode loquitur speaketh incommodiously of virginitie (*) Abraham Scultetus in his medulla theologiae Patrum pag. 450. circa med alleageth Ignatius saying ad Philadelp Saluto collegium virginuÌ„ wherupon he imediately inferreth Ergone in illo ecclesiae florâ— fuerunt quae castitatem continentiam perpetuam profiterentur Virgines fuerunt omninq c. saluting and affirming Colleges of Virgines and so plainely that our learned aduersaries doe there-vpon affirme how that euen (â‹) Scultetus vt supra in that flower of the Church there were Virgins that professed Perpetuall Chastitie that lastly S. Ambros and Epiphanius deriue (¶) Peter Martir de coelibatu votis pag. 543. paulo post med pag. 525. initio Professed Chastitie from the institution of S. Paule 2 Secondly coÌ„cerning the Reall presence of Christs body in the Sacrament the reseruation thereof and the mixture of water with wine in the Challice concerninge the first it is affirmed that Gregory the greate (1) Humfred Iesuitissimi part 2. tat 5. pag. 626. post med taught transubstantiation that (2( The Centurie writers cent 5. col 517. l. 23 say Chrisostomus transubstantionem videtur confirmare nam ita scribit c. Chrisostome is thought to confirme transubstantiation that (3) Centur. 4. c 10. col 985. line 30 Eusebius Emissen did speake vnprofitablely of transubstantiation that (4) Aothonie de Adamo in his Anotomie of the Masse fol. 221. a. fine see the centurie writers cent 4. cap. 4. col 295. l. 3 And oecolampadius in libro epistolarum oecolaÌ„padij Zuinglij lib. 3. p. 765. the bookes of Sacraments ascribed to Ambros affirme the opinion of Christs Bodely Presence in the Sacrament wherin Peter Martir likewise professeth to (5) Peter Martir in defens obiect Gardner part 4. pag. 724. And see also Peter Martirs further dislike of Cyrils sâ—yings in his epistles annexed to his coÌ„mon places in English his epistle there to Beza pag. 106. b ante medium where he saith I will not so easely subscribe to Cyrill who affirmed such a communion as therby euen the substance of the flesh and blood of Christ first is ioyned to the blessing for so he calleth the holy Bread c. And in his epistle to Caluine ibidem pag. 98. a. ante med he proueth further for this opinion Cyrill and some other Fathers dislike the Iudgment of Cirill that (6) In the treatise attributed to Vrsinus entitled Commonefactio cuiusdam theologi de S. caena eiusdem commonefactionis consideratio pag. 211. 218. In Ciprian are many sayings which seeme to affirme transubstantiation in so much as they do (7) The sermon of Cyprian de caena Domini which this foresaid testimonie concerneth is dedicated to Cornelius who was Bishoppe of Rome when Cyprian liued and to whom Cyprian him selfe l. 1. ep 1. ep 3. did write in so much that Mr. Fulke against the Rhemish testament in 1. cor cap. 11. fol. 282. a. circa medium alleageth testimonie from thence affirming that the Author de caena Domini was not in time much inferior to Cyprian vnworthely affirme that Sermon of his in which those sayings are extant to be counterfaite that lastly Ignatius (8) Mr. Whitgift in his defence against Carthwrightes reply pag. 408. ante med who was S. Iohns scholler liued in Christs time did as Theoderet 1200 yeares since them selues now do (9) Theodoret. dial 3. and Hamelmanus de traditionibus apostolicis c. col 746. line 18. 19. 22 23 c. alleageth not only Theodoret but also one Wydefortus alledging Anno 1396. this saying of Ignatius out of an auncient copie of that time affirme and as the Lutheranes do obiect (10) Vide recitationes de concilio scripti libri concordiae c. printed Lipsiae 1581. nona recitat p. 177. ante medium in proofe of their Reall presence say of the heretickes in his time they do not admitt Euchariste and oblations because they do not confesse the Eucariste to be the flesh of our Sauiour Iesus Christ which flesh suffered for our sinnes and one of our aduersaries confesseth accordingly that (11) Adamus Francisci in Margarita theologica p. 256. saith Commentum Papistarum de transubstantiatione mature in ecclesiam irrepsit TransubstantiatioÌ„ entred early into the Church and an other saith (12) Anthonie de Adamo in his Anotomie of the Masse pag. 236. a. ante med I haue not yet hetherto beene able to knowe when this opinion of the
4. also Oecolampadius in libro epistolarum Oecolampadij Suinglij l. 2. page 301. circa med saith hereof Parentum compatrum fides pueros sanctificat And Praetorius l. de Sacramentis page 108. saith Respectu fidelium parentum infantes fideles habentur c. Credunt igitur infantes sed in parentibus they are comprehended within the couenant of eternall life by meanes of the faith of theire Parents (*) In the propositions page 178 are for that cause to be Baptixed and that there-fore the Children of Iewes Turkes and such like professed Infidels are (u) In the propositions principles c. vbi supra sect 8. page 179. and mr Whitaker contra Duraeum l. 8. page 679. fine saith Infidelium liberos vt Turcarum Iudeorum Ethnicorum Caluinus meritò veré negat esse baptizandos and the like is taught by Kimnedoncius in his redemption of mankind l. 2. c. 15 page 167 fine and see mr D. Some in his defence against Penrye and refutation c. page 150. not to be Baptized as not being comprehended within the couenant by reason that their Parents do not beleeue All this yet notwith-standing they professe (x) Taught by mr Whit gifte in his defence c. page 623 ante med By mr Hooker in his ecclesiasticall policie l. 3. sect 1. page 131 by D. Some vbi supra page 149 150 and in the foresaide propositions and principles c. page 179. sect 9. It is saide by the Diuines of Geneua We are of minde that the children of Papists may be receaued vnto Baptisme to teach and practise their Baptizing of Infants Borne of Catholicke or as they terme Popishe Parents Not saith Mr. Hooker in regard of (y) mr Hooker vbi supra Gods promise which reacheth vnto a thousand generations for by this reason the Children of Turkes and as Mr. Hooker saith (z) Master Hooker ibidem all the worlde may bee Baptized in so much as no man is a thousand discents remoued from Adam But their saide Baptising of them is according to the other premises of their Doctrine by them selues practised and holden good though as Mr. D. Some affirmeth (a) mr Some in his foresaide defence c. cap. 22. page 165 167 to Penry they were the Children of Popishe west-Indians whose other former auncestors neuer knew the Christian faith and though saith hee those West-indians (b) Master Some ibidem page 167. were Baptized by Popish Shauelings yet they receaued true Baptisme and were ingraffed into Christ and for this reason because there is a Church in Popery for saith he (c) mr Some ibidem p. 149 post med saith And Amandus Polanus in partic theologic page 305 post med saith Hodierna Ecclesia Romana est adhuc Ecclesia Christi sed omnium impurissima c. alioquin ij qui in papatusunt baptizati extra ecclesiam Christi ac proinde nec baptismo Christi fuissent baptisati c. If there were no Church at all in Popery then the Infants of Papistes were not to be Baptized in any reformed Church By which premisses of their confessed practise it appeareth 1 that the Children of Catholicke or Popish Parents are to be Baptized 2 as being comprehended within the couenant of eternall life 3 and that by reason of their parents Faith So euidently in their Doctrine and practise is the faith of the Catholicke or Popish Parents houlden for auaileable to his Childe And shall it then be thought damnable to him selfe or houlden worthy to be yet further persecuted by our so implacable and vnrelenting aduersaries THAT PROTESTANTS CANNOT proue that the Romane Church did change her Religion since the first Conuersion thereto in the Apostles time § 7. AND for so much as it is your HIGHNES â‹ In the summe of the Conference before the Kings Maiestie pag. 75. circa med Constant and resolute opinion that no Church ought further to seperate it selfe from the Church of Rome then shee hath departed from her selfe wheÌ„ shee was in her florishing best estate In further probabilitie therfore of the Premisses we do presume hereby most humbly to submitte to your MAIESTIES most learned Iudgment this briefe discourse had thereof in the two sections next ensuing it is generally confessed that the Romane Church was once the true Church and professed the right faith whereto the (p) I thanke my God for you c. because your faith is renowned throughout the wholle worlde Rom. 1 8. To all that be at Rome the beloued of God called to be Saintes grace to you Rom. 1 7. That which is common to vs both your faith and mine Rom. 1 12. Your obedience is published in euery place Rom. 16 19. Apostle him selfe giueth full and assured testimonie where-vpon it euidently followeth that if the Romane Church haue not sithence changed her religion then she still retaineth and persisteth in the right faith Now as touching her supposed change we will breifely examine what our learned aduersaries who haue purposely and seriously laboured in discouery or proofe of this pretended change do most materially obiect in that behalfe 1 First then (q) Mr. Whitaker contra Duraeum l. 7 page 480 initio and mr Fulke in his answere to a counterfeite Catholike p. 36. post med the first saith Mr. Whitaker and Mr. Fulke That exercised Iurisdiction vpon forraine Churches was Victor whereto we answere as doth the Lord Archbishope of Canterburie concerning womans Baptisme saying to Mr. Carthwright (r) mr Whitgifte in his defence page 510 prope finem you say in the margent that Victor Anno. 198. did first appointe that women might Baptize by this you do add more credit to the cause then you are aware of for Victor was a Godly Bishope and Martir and the Church at that time was in greate Purity as not being longe after the Apostles whereto we further add that whereas Victor in the example now vrged did vpon occasion (s) The occasion hereof was that the Churches of Asia minor had receaued of S. Iohn the Euangelist to obserue our Lordes Pasch or Easter day not alwaies vppon Sonday but with the Iewes in regarde of theire knowne weakenes vpon the 14. of the moone as in like sorte vpon the same grouÌ„d was for the time tollerated Circumcision Act. 16 3. and abstinence from bloode and that which is strangled Act. 15 20. The Bishops of Rome who had receaued of S. Peter and Paule the other manner did accordinglye tollerate the Churches of Asia til such time as that certaine of them in Asia made this their obseruation necessarie in so much that the other manner was condemned by the Iudaizing hereticke Bâ—asius Tertulian de praescript circa finem and centur 2. c. 5 col 107. l. 12. hereupon Victor thought good to tollerate them no longer and therfore prescribed the Bishops of Asia to be excomunicated vnlesse they conformed them selues to the latine Church in the obseruation of
sacrament was vsed long before the time of Honorius the third So also it is as euident and confessed by Protestantes and namely by Mr. Foxe act mon. pag. 896. b. fine and after the aedition of Anno 1596. pag. 1276. a. line 14. that if this Honorius did not beginne the same the first beginning thereof is then so sarr from being found that we cannot saith Mr. Foxe finde it to come in by any other Add but now here-vnto the aunswerable testimonies of Austine in Psalm 98. of Ambrose de spiritu Sancto l. 3. c. 12. of Theodoret dial 2. of Chrisostome in 1. cor hom 24. of Basill de spiritu Sancto cap. 27. of Nazianzen in Epitaph Gorgoniae and of Dionisius Areopagita de Eccles Hierach c. 3. which are so plaine and agreeable with our externall adoration of Christ in the Sacrament that our aduersariâ— Chemnitius doth for such alleadge sondry of them against our aduersaries the sacramentaries in his examen Concil Trident part 2. p. 92. adoring the sacrament for God much more in so many other pointes of faith haue bene so brought and devulged into so many Christian Nations nere and remote and not once testified or remembred so much as by any one of the Churches enimies neither hereticall nor prophane were the Churches owne pastors her home enimies and strangers to her Religion all of them silent herein THAT CATHOLICKES ARE ABLE TO proue the contrary euen by Testimonie of the learned Protestants § 8 AND although the proofe of the ROMANE Churches supposed change of her religion lying on our aduersaries part and hitherto wanting might be matter in this behalfe sufficient to offer vnto your HIGHNES learned Iudgment yet will we our selues in surplusage exhibit futher demonstratioÌ„ of her not change in any needefull article of faith by manifest testimonie from our learned aduersaries First then it is heretofore fully proued by euident confession of the learned Protestants aswell in generall (a) This is fullie confessed heretofore Tract 1. Sect 1 paulo post initium and Mr. Fulke in his answere to a counterfaite Catholicke pag. 36. initio affirmeth also that the religion of the Papists came in and preuailed in the yeare of our Lord 607. as also concerning euery point of faith in perticuler (b) This is hertofore proued Tract 1. Sect. 1. in the margent at the letter d. that in the time of Gregorie the great Bishope of Rome the Romane Church professed our now Catholicke or as they terme it Popishe faith and that shee hath perseuered in profession thereof euer since that time is confessed likewise by our aduersaries and made so euident by all histories as that to vndertake further proofe thereof were tediousnes both (c) Confessed hertofore tract 1. sect 2. in the margent at the letter l. and also at this marke * And Mr. Fulke in his aunswere to a counterfaite Catholicke pag. 27. circa med speaking of Boniface the third who was Bishope of Rome the 2 yeare after the death of Gregorie the greate teste Anastasio l. de vitio Pontificum saith the Popes from Boniface the 3. were all blasphemous haeretickes Antichristes And he affirmeth the same in his confutation of Purgatorie pag. 344. post med And he likewise affirmeth Boniface the third to be Antichrist and that vnder him The Papistes religion preuailed in his foresaid aunswere to a Counterfaite Catholicke pag. 36. and in his confutation of Purgatorie pa. 194. paulo post med vide Whitakerum l. de Ecclesia pa. 260. fine 261. improper and needelesse This (d) This is manifestly affirmed and collected from the Ecclesiasticall writers of euery age and by our aduersaries the Centurie writers in euery of their seuerall Centuries Gregorie liued somwhat within the first 600. yeares after Christ so that hauing now hereby already proued the continued profession of the Romane Church in our now taught Catholicke faith for all these last thousand yeares The only difficultie and doubt least to be examined is whether that shee did make change of her faith during these other foresaid first 600 yeares next after Christ This being the maine pointe or issue of this present controuersie we will now first examine for how many hundreth yeares next after Christ the Church of Rome is confessed to haue perseuered with-out reuolt or chang in the faith first to her deliuered In discouery whereof whereas our writers do obiect how that Tertullian prouoked the heretickes of his time with the succession of the Romane Bishopes Mr. D. Fulke aunswering thereto affirmeth the reason thereof to be for that saith he (e) Mr. Fulke in his confutation of Purgatory p. 374. post med The Church of Rome reteined by succession vntill Tertullians dayes that faith which it did first receaue of the Apostles With whome agreeth herein Mr. D. Whitaker (f) Whitaker de Ecclesia pa. 278. post med speaking of certaine Apostolicke Churches emongst them of Rome by name saith vnde intelligimus cur ad illas Ecclesias prouocaret Tertullianus nimirum quia tum DoctrinaÌ„ Apostolicam perpetua successione tenebant and Hierome (*) Zanchius de vera relig p. 148. circa med Zanchius and where one of our writers vrgeth (g) In Mr. Fulkes confutation of purga p. 372. ante med the succession of the Romane Bishopes by example of Ireneus Ciprian Tertullian Optatus Hierome Austine and Vincentius Lirinensis Mr. Fulke aunswereth thereto saying (h) Ibidem p. 373. paulo ante med that these men specially named the Church of Rome It was because the Church of Rome at that time as it was founded by the Apostles so it continued in the Doctrine of the Apostles And Mr. D. Rainoldes being prouoked in the same kinde acknowledgeth in like manner that (i) Mr. D. Rainoldes in his confereÌ„ce with M. Harte pa. 442. post med the succesâ—ion of the Romane Bishopes was a proofe of the true faith in the time of Austine Epiphanius Optatus Tertullian and Ireneus c. And the like acknowledgment or aunswere thereto is made by many other (k) Ridley in Mr. Foxe actes and Monuments p. 1359. b. circa med saith The Patriarche of Rome in the Apostles time longe after was a greate maintainer setter forth of Christs glory in the which aboue all other Countries and Regions was Preached the true ghospell the sacraments were most duly administred c. After the Emperors became Christians the ghospell there florished most And Mr. Iuell in his reply to M. Harding pa. 246. ante med saith Aswell S. Austine as also other godly fathers right lie yeelded reuerence to the sea of Rome c. For the puritie of religion which was there preserued a longe time without spoâ— And pag. 628. paulo post med he further saith the godly Fathers of those fore saide times sought to the Church of Rome which then for puritie in religion and constancie in the same was most famouse aboue all others learned Protestants only we will
ad Caelestinum A little before them was Pope Damasus of the Communion had with him read Hierom. Epist 57. ad Damasum And see the further Communion had betweene Damasus and the Greeke and Lattin Fathers specially reported and confessed by Crispinus in his booke of the state of the Church page 137. before and after (y) Concerning the reuerend aestimation had of the Romane sea in the times next after the foresaide 160. yeares it is generally confessed yet for more certainetie reade the Centurie writers Cent. 7. c. 10. and how reuerently this our Nation of England thought as then thereof Vide Bedam in hist l. 2. c. 8. c. 10. c. 17. 18. 19. the same professed to reuerence and Ioyne in Communion of faith with the then Romane Bishopes wherby also it is in our opinion most euidently yet further proued that during all that meane time of the foresaide 160. yeares the Bishopes of the Romane Church did not come to the profession of our now religion by meanes of any their then deuised Innouation or change in faith Thirdly this point is as yet made furthermore demonstratiue in that it is euident and by our learned aduersaries confessed that sondry euen of the chiefest Articles of our faith as namely (z) See heretofore Tract 1. Sect. 3. subdiuision 2. Reall presence (a) See heretofore Tract 1. Sect. 2. subdiuision 3. and hereafter in the margent at the letter 1. Tract 3. Sect. 1. Sacrifice (b) See heretofore Tract 1. Sect. 3. subdeuision 5. Free-will (c) Ibidem Tract 1. Sect. 3. subdiuision 6. 7. Merit of workes (d) Confessed by Mr. Bilson in his dooke of the full redemption of man-kinde pa. 188. fine By Danaeus contra Bellarmine pag. 176. Paulo post medium By Mr. Whitaker contra Duraeum l. 9. pag. 773. initio And by Iohannes Lascitius in the booke entituled de Russorum Mascouitarum Tartarorum religione page 122. initio And see heretofore Tract 1. Sect. 3. subdiuision 4. Limbus Patrum (e) Heretofore Tract 1. Sect. 3. subdiuision 4. And see also heretofore Tract 2. Sect. 7. subdiuision 6. Praier for the dead (f) Heretofore Tract 1. Sect. 3. subdiuision 7. And see the Centuâ—ie writers Centur. 3. col 84. line 23. Centur. 3. col 83. line 47 Centur. 4. col 1183. Centur. 5. col 1009. initio And Mr. Fulke against the Remishe testament fol. 443. a. paulo ante med And against Purgatory pag. 310. ante med Praier to Saints (g) Hereafter Tract 2. c. 1. Sect. 3. l. q. r. s. Monachisme (h) Heretofore Tract 2. Sect. 3. initio And hereafter Tract 2. c. 1. Sect. 3. l. p. Vowed Chastitie (i) Heretofore Tract 1. Sect. 7. example 1. 2. 5. And heretofore Tract 1. Sect. 3. subdiuision 10. Popishe Primacie (2) See heretofore Tract 1. Sect. 3. subdiuision 8. The grace and necessitie of Baptisme (3) Vide ibidem The Ceremonies of Baptisme (4) Vide ibidem subdiuision 9. And see also heretofore Tract 1. Sect. 7. in the margent at the letter c. Confâ—sâ—ion of sinnes and absolution (k) Heretofore Sect. 7. example 3. The vnmarried life of Priests (l) Confessed by Iâ—bbertus de Principijs Christian dogm l. 2. c. 10 p. 675. ante med 678. fine 674. prope finem And by Mr. Whitaker de sacra scriptura pag. 678. paulo posi med 668. fine 690. post med 670. post med And by Carthwright in Mr. Whitgittes defence c. pag. 103. ante med hertofore tract 1. sect 3. subdiuision 11. 12. Vnwritten Traditions And to omitt many other (â‹) Hereafter tract 2. c. 1. Sect. 3. most of our (m) See heretofore tract 1. sect 3. l. y. Dionysius mencioning sixe of our Sacraments Sacraments are plainely found to haue bene professed and publickely taught in the writings yet extant of sondry (*) See hereafter Tract 2. c. 1. Sect. 3. of the confessed Doctrines beleeued and taught in the fourth hundreth yeares after Christ aunc ent Fathers who liued before the foresaide 160 yeares now in question In so much that Mr. Iohn Napeire though our greate aduersarie affirmeth and confesseth the like aunswerable continuance of our religion before that foresaide meane time of 160. yeares Affirming to that end most plainely that from (n) Mr. Nappier vpon the reuelations proposition 37. pag. 68. post med the yeare of Christ 319. which was before the saide time now in question the Antichristiane and Papisticall Reâ—gne hath begunne reining vniuersally and without any debatable Contradiction 1260 yeares last past And that from (o) Mr. Nappeir ibidem in c. 12. pag. 161. col 3. circa medium the yeare of Christ 316. God hath with-drawne his visible Church from open assemblies to the hartes of perticuler godly men c. During the space of 1260. yeares (p) Mr. Nappeir ibidem in c. 11. pag. 145. col 3. finâ— The Pope and his Clergy hauing pâ—ssessed the outward visible Church of Christians euen 1260. yeares (q) Vide ibidem p. 191. initio The true Church abiding so longe Latente (r) Vide ibidem p. 161. col 3. circa medium pag. 156. ante med 237. paulo post med 23. fine and inuisible with which his opinion or computation (s) Mr. Brocard vpon the reuelations fol. 110. a. 123. b. Mr. Brocard also professeth to agree whereby it is more then euident that our religion being thus publickly professed in the Romane Church both before and eâ—er since the foresaide 160. yeares coulde not therefore be any matter of Innouation of change newly brought in or diuised by the Romane Church either then or afterwards Which point is also made as yet otherwise more manifest by that which hath bene heretofore confessed by our aduersaries concerning the conuersion (2) See heretofore Tract 2. Sect. 1 in the marg at the letter d. and in the texte at the letter c. and ibidem l. f. g. of vs Englishmen vnto our now professed Catholicke faith by S. Austine then sent from Gregorie Bishope of Rome Concerning also the vndoubted conuersion of the (3) See heretofore Tract 2. Sect. 2. l. m. and in the marg there at the letter m. Brittons of Wales in the Apostles times and their perseueraÌ„ce (4) See heretofore Tract 1. Sect 2. in the margent there at this marke ¶ in that faith till Austins commâ—ng And the foresaide euident (5) hereof see hertofore Tract 1. Sect. 2. l. 1. y. z. agreement of Austine and of the Brittones of Wales in all substantiall points of faith So plainely is that faith which the Romane Church now professeth the very same whereto the Romanes were conuerted in the Apostles times A thing so euidentlie true that our aduersarie M. Bunny though vsing all warines to acknowledge or vtter more then of necessitie he must confesseth yet as enforced and saith
and want of their Churches Pastors and Doctors of administration of the Word and Sacraments for and during the age next before Luther wherevnto we further add that the Protestants Doctrine of Iustification by onely faith which them selues affirme to be (l) Mr. Charke in the Tower disputation the fourth daies conference Arg. 1. dâ—nii the Soâ—lâ— of the Church (m) Mr. Foxe act mon. pag. 402. a. circa medium the onely principall â—â—gine of saluation and (n) The Confession of Bohemia in the Harmony of Confessions pag. 253. ante medium of all â—hâ—r pâ—ints of Doctrine the chiefest and weightiest was so vnknowne in the age before Luther that the contrary Doctrine of Iustification by Mâ—rrit and Workes which Protestants terme (o) Mr. Penrie in the booke entituled Mr. Some laid open in his colours page 29 30. the very hart life and soule of Poperie was defended not onely by the (p) See this heretofore for the Waldenses at pag. 90. i. l. and for Wicliffe at pag. 97. f. for Husse at pag. 101. g. Waldenses Wyclâ—ffe and Husse but also by all other nearer Luthers time in so much that Mr. Foxe hauing spoken of the tâ—mes next before Lutâ—er and of the learned writers then liuing concludeth onely of Luther that (q) Act. mon. pag. 402 a. circa med and the Deuines of the Confession of Augusta alledged by Luc. Osiander in epitom hist ecclesiast centur 16. pag. 157. paulo ante med confesse the same likewise saying Cum igitur doctrina de fide quam oportet in Ecclesia praecipuam esse tam diâ— tacuerit ignota quemadmoduÌ„ fateri omnes necesse est c. he gaue the strâ—akâ— and pluckte downe the fâ—undation of our Catholicke faith and all by opening one vaine lâ—ng hid before which is our free Iustification by our faith onely in Christ so plainely also by Mr. Foxe his confession was this chiefe article of the Protestants faith vnknowne and vnheard of during the age next before Luther And thus much briefely to shewe that whereas it is euident and confessed from the Scriptures that the true Churches pastors her administration of the Word and Sacraments must euermore continew yet our aduersaries Church religion administration of of the Word and Sacâ—aments are not knowne so much as but to haue beene in being during the xx yeares next before Luther Whereupon we are to resist and say to them as did the ancient (*) Tertulian in libro de praescript saith Qui est is vos vnde est quando venistis vbi taÌ„ diu latuistis and Augustine l. 3. de Baptismo contr Don. c. 2. saith Vnde ergo donatus apparuit de qua terra germinauit ex quo mari emersit de quo coelo cecidit And Aug. de Vtilit Cred. c. 14. saith to the Manichees vos autem tam pauci tam turbuleÌ„ti tam novi nemini dubiuÌ„ est quoniam nihil dignum auctoritate proferetis Optatus l. 2. contra Parmenianum saith Vestrae Cathedrae originem ostendite qui vobis vultis sanctam Ecclesiam vendicare and Hillarie l. 6. de Trinitate ante med saith tardè mihi hos Pijssimos doctores aetas nunc huius seculi protulit c. and Hierom contra Luciferianos in fine saith ex hoc ipso quod posterius instituti sunt eos se esse indicaÌ„t quos futuros apostolus praenuÌ„ciauit Fathers in like manner to the Heretickes of their times and as did (¶) Luther in Lutheri Loc. Comun class 5 c. 15. pag. 50. ante med saith of the SacrameÌ„taries Sine nobis ante nos nihil erant ne hiscere quidem audebant nunc nostra victoria inflati in nos vertunt impetum Luther him selfe vpon this like ground to our aduersaries the Sacramentaries A FVRTHER DEMONSTRATION Otherwise of the Protestant Churches defection SECT 12. BVT forbearing as now further to prosecute the foresaid euident defection of the Protestantes Church her administration of the Word and Sacraments by reason of the heretofore alledged disparetie or rather contrarietie in doctrine betweene our now Protestants and the foresaid examples of Waldo Wicliffe Husse Luther c. all those other whom our aduersaries haue as hath bene (2) See heretofore for Waldo tract 2. c. 2. sect 3 for Wicliffe sect 4. for Husse sect 5. for Luther sect 10. and for others see sect 7. heretofore perticulerly proued iniustlie pretended to be of their Church we will as yet in further proofe otherwise of their Churches no lesse vnanswerable defection but briefelie put youre MAIESTIE in minde of one onely other point worthye of a much more laboured discource the which being hereby but signified rather then at large entreated of we do neuerthelesse â—n full confidence of the manifest and vnanswerable clearenes therof presume humblie to offer vnto your HIGHNES more retired and seriouse consideration We haue heretofore shewed how that supposing Waldo had bin a ProtestaÌ„t yet was he before his first preaching against the Pope originally a knowne and professed member of our Catholicke Church and the like we haue discouered in Berengarius Peter Bruis Wycliffe Husse Luther c. all whose followers as namely the Berengarians Waldenses Wyâ—leuistes Hussiâ—s Lutheranes â— are in their forenamed seue all Sectmasters from whome they are knowne to haue discended most plainely reducâ—d to a knowne Catholicke begin ng As were in like manner the Aâ—râ—ans Donaâ—ist s Nâ—stâ—rians knowne to haue had their like first begining in Catholickes as in Aâ—ius Dâ—natus Nâ—â—torius who all together with Berengarius Waldo Wy liffe Husse Luther c. were professed members of our Catholicke Church before such time as they (3) 1. Ioh. 2 19. went forth from vs the peculier marke or stigâ—a wherewith the (4) 1. Ioh. â— 19. It is said of heretickes they went out from vs. And Act. 15 24. it is likewise said of them Certaine that went forth froÌ„ vs And Act. 20 30. Out of your owne selues shall arise men speaking perverse things in so muâ—h as our Sauiour forwarneth vs against this departure or going out saying If therefore they shall say vnto you behold he is in the desert goe you not forth Mat. 24 26. See S. Austen vpon these words heretofore tract 2. c. 2. sect 1. in the margeÌ„t at the figure 2. Scriptures (5) Optatus lib. 1. saith herevpon against the Donatistes videÌ„dum est quis in radice cum toto orbe manserit quis foras exterit quis cathedram sederit alteram quae ante non fuerat c. And S. Augustine tom 8. in Psalm 106. saith quid est ergo seduxit eos dimisit eos in inuâ—o non in via quomodo enim in via homines qui partem tenent totum relinqunt quomodo in via quae est ergo via Aut vbi agnoscitur via Deus inquit mâ—sereatur nostri â— vt agnâ—scamus in terra vtam tuam in qua terra in
paulo ante medium By Haukes Act. Mon. pag. 1150. b. initio and 1151. a. circa medium By Melancthon in concilijs theologicis pag. 628. By Peter Martyr in his discourse hereof recited in Melancthons foresaid treatise of Consil theolog pag. 634. 635. By Martine Bucer alledged ibidem pag. 632. and 633. and 634. By Iohn Caluine alledged ibidem pag. 635. fine and 636. and by the Divines of Germanie alledged by Sleydane in his Comentaries Englished lib. 7. fol. 87. a. circa medium writers is neverthelesse iudged in vs a kind of froward and superfluous remorse and accordingly taxed with a confiscation or waist of our goods and yearely revenue wherevnto might be added our sundry other losses contumelies imprisonments and publike disgraces heretofore susteined whereat though we doe all mourning plaine yet complaine we will not THE PROTESTANTS OBIECTION OF Catholickes disloyaltie retorted vpon themselues SECT 2. AND for somuch as sundry of our vncharitable aduersaries who are nothing moued with our foresaid calamities do out of their inueterate and implacable hatred daily seeke to auert from vs your HIGHNES most gratious and Princely dispositioÌ„ inclined otherwise to commiserat all such as are afflicted and do therefore to make vs more odious often inculcate the doctrine wherewith certaine our writers are charged concerning the Popes vndertaking in some cases to despose Princes pretending with all what greate danger may at last hence ensue when by reason of your Maiesties mercie in the meane time to vs exteÌ„ded our estats shall be bettered number increased Vouchsafeth your HIGHNES before we enter into petition for our selues graciously to weigh with equall consideration that which herevnto wee shall alledge aswell coÌ„cerning our adversaries who thus charge vs as in answere for our selues that are so charged First then concerning our aduersaries wee say that they in their thus vrging or but remembring of this point against vs doe of all others shewe themselues most indiscreetely malicious for quis tulerit grachum de seditione loquentem c. or how can it be decorum in any to charge others with imputation of that wherin themselues are further chargeable And although we for our partes doe altogether dislike all acerbitie and gall of in vectiue writing being yet thus provoked to such iust and necessarie recrimination as our owne defence and safetie requireth we say from theÌ„selues as followeth 1 First concerning the Lutheranes doth not Sleydane Luthers owne Scholler make full reporte of the seditious doctrine of the Divines of Magdenburge maintaining and publiquelie (d) In Sleydane in English hist l. 22. fol. 345. a circa medium the Divines of Magdenburg thus teach thereof If it so fortune that the Magistrate passe the boundes of his authority and commaund any thing that is wicked c. If hee attempte any force he should be resâ—sted c. and seeing the case standeth tâ—us there can no rebellion of right be obiected vnto vs. And ibideÌ„ fol. 345. b. initio It is further said The Minâ—sters of the Church set forth a writing wherein they recite the confession of their Doctrine and declare how it is lawfull for the inferior Magistrate to defend himselfe against the the superior compelling him to forsake the truth teaching in defence of their rebellion that in case of religion it was lawful for subiects even with force to resist the Prinâ—e doth not Chitraeus a learned Lutheraine (e) Chitraeus in Chronic. Anno 1593. 1594. pag. 74. fine and 75. saith hereof tandem rex flecti se sibique persuadere passus est vt assentiretur se religionem cultum Dei in verbo Dei Augustana confessione comprehensum c. solam in regno conseruare ac tueri nec templa in vrbibus vlla alteri quam Augustinae confessionis reliâ—ioni destinare velle nec aditum in senatum regni vel ad vlla râ—gni officia publica alijs quam Augustinae confessionis doctrinam retinentibus concedi debere regem veâ—o ipâ—um ad suae religionis Pontificiae exercitium sacellis arrium in quibus habitabit contentum fore c. repo t how the King of Suethland being a Catholike was by hiâ— subiects the Lutheraines vrged to asseÌ„t to the deâ—ree that no Catholike should beare any ofâ—ice in that kingdome and that the King should content himselfe with his Catholike service to be Celebrated only in his own private Chappell was not the force attempted by the Germaines (*) Of the Germaines insurrection against their Emperour see further hereafter in this tract in the margent at the figure 4. against theiâ— Emperour in defence of their Lutherane religion so publiquelâ— mâ—de knowne to the world with lamentable effusâ—on of much Christian blood throughout Germany as that the same is muâ—h more wortâ—ie oâ— pittie tâ—en remeâ—bran e Seâ—oâ—dlâ— concerning tâ—e Calâ—inisteâ— doth not Caluine him selfe teach hereof that (f) Calvine in Dan. c. b. vers 22.25 saith abdicaâ—t se potestate terreni Principes dum insurgunt contra Deum immo indigni sunt quicenscantur in hominuÌ„ numero potius ergo conspuere oportet in illoruÌ„ capita quaÌ„ illis parere c. earâ—hly Prinâ—es doe beâ—eaue hâ—m selue oâ— authâ—ritie when they erect thems lues against God yea that they are vnworthie to bâ— accompted in the number of men and therefore we must rather spitt vpon their faces then obeie them c. doth not Sâ—inglius likewise say (g) Suinglius lib. 4. epistolarum Suinglij oecolampad epist Cunhardo Somio Symperto c. pag. 868. post medium pag. 869. saith Promittendum est Caesari officium debitum si modo fidem nobis permittat illibatam c. Romanum Imperium imò quodque Imperium vbi religionem sinceram opprimere ceperit nos illud negligentes patimur iam negatae aut contemptae religionis non minus rei erimus quam illi ipsi oppressores exemplum est apud Hieremiam 15. vbi exterminium cominatur Deus Israeli quod Manastem permisissent impunè esse pessimum due lâ—ialâ—ie is to be promised to Cesâ—r iâ— so that he p râ—nt to vs our rel gio in violablâ— if the romaine Empire or what â—â—her souerai nâ— sâ—euer should opresse the sincere religion and we nâ—gligently further the same we shal be charged with contempte no lessâ— then the oppressors thereof them sâ—lues whereoâ— â—aith he abusing therein â—he Scriptures most gâ—oâ—ely we haue an example in the 15. of Ieremie wher the distruction of the Peâ—plâ— is prophâ—sied for that they suffred their Kings Maâ—â—ss s â—eâ—â—g vngodly to be vnpunished And doth he not aduise to haue this Doctrine priuately with respect (h) Ibidem pag. 869. post medium Prudenter igitur ac paulatim ageÌ„da sunt huiusmodi atque cum paucis quibus credere possis quae ardua sunt Coâ—municated vnto certeine chiefe peâ—sons of credit did not also the Caluinists of Embden as a brother of tâ—eâ—r oâ—ne (i) Gerhardus Giesekenius
happie Reigne presume with all hâ—mble respect to demaund it The many yet standing monuments of sacred Churcheâ— Colledges erected by our Catholike auncestors for the oneâ—y profession of our fa th now since impropriated to our adversaries make in their kinde most religious and mournefull intercession for it The doctrine of so many learned Protestants who teach (n) M. Hayward in his answere to R. Dolman dedicated to your Maiestie cap. 9. paulo post medium sâ—ith all the cheâ—fe writers of our age are nowe reduced to the former opinion affirming with Tertulliâ—n Lactantiuâ— Cassiodorus Iosâ—phus Bernard others that religion must bee perswaded not enforced Tindall in the Acts Monuments pag. 1338. a. initio saith the new Testament of Christ wil not suffer any law of coÌ„pulsioÌ„ but onely of councell and exhortation And ibidem pa. 1337. b. post mediuÌ„ And ibidem pag. 1152. b. fine Haukes saith to Bisâ—op Boner where proue you that Christ or his Apostles did kill any man for his faith Alâ—o Iacobus Acontius stratagematuâ—â— satanae libri octo â—iscourcing at large of this point saith consequens ergo est manere quidem suo in vigore veteâ—â—m legem aut certè renouarâ—â—si â—ilem possâ— nâ—que tâ—men â—ermitti haereticorum supplicia quia videlicet aliâ— sit apostatae â—lia haerâ—tici câ—â—sâ— pag. 158. initio And further Dominus profecto definitè declâ—â—uit magistratus non esse idonâ—os dogmatum Iudices interdixitque illis talis Iurisdictionis vsu â—mni pag. 160. circâ— med and pag. 161. circa med hee farther saith hereof haec quidem Iudiciorum genâ—râ—â—d magistratum non pertinent sed ad solum Dei filium qui in nouissiâ—o die per angeâ—os sâ—os seperatuâ—â—s sitâ—â—t itico zâ—zanâ—â— with much more against all punishment fâ—r Chrâ—stian religion And Vrbanus Regius iâ— loc theolog fol. 117. c. â—aâ—th hereof Christianorum Spiritus combuâ—it tantum igne châ—ritâ—tis â— Deus non docet comburâ—re eâ—â—antâ—s ouiculas sed Ezechiâ—l 34. sanare infirmas maâ—ilâ—tâ—s pascere c. And Luther in assâ—rtionibus art 33. de non comburendis haereticis maâ—eth a speciall dâ—sâ—oursâ— in proofe thereof And Castalio in his Preface vpon the Bible to K. Edward the sixâ—e affirmeth the same doctrinâ— so â—ikwise dâ—th Coelius Secundus Curio in libâ—o de amplitudine regni Dei lib. 2. pag. 216. And â—rancisâ—us Gomaâ—us in speculo vâ—rae Ecclâ—siae pâ—g 227. 229. And M. Marbecke in his Comon places pag. 483. 484. that no man ought to bee compelled or suffer for his faith prescribeth it The graver Iudgment of our forenamed learned adversaries who acknowledge our Catholike Church to bee a true (1) See heretofore pa 4â— e. f â—h Church and oâ—r religion for sâ—fficâ—ent (2) Hâ—retofore pag. 40 at m.n. to salvation maketh â—ost clearely fâ—r it The poâ—icy of the time and succesfu l event vpon like examples (3) See in Luc. â—siander â—â—epâ—tom hist eccl centu 16. sundrie eâ—aâ—ples of tolloration as namely in Fraunce pa. 1135. fine 1136. initio pag. 816. 713 750. 735 fine 718. And in Liuonâ—a pâ—g 950. initio and in Geâ—m â—ie pag. 629. 630. pag. 598. Anâ— of Gâ—â—manie see farther the Protâ—stant wrâ—ter Dresserus in paâ—te secuÌ„da Millenâ—rij texti wâ—ere he saith pag. 659 initio Anno 52. pax profitentibus Augustanâ—m Confessionem perpâ—tua concâ—ssâ—â—st c. And pag. 661. ante medium heâ— further saiâ—â— it was agreede vâ—â—â— ea quidem lege conditione vt Pontificij qui ante in sectati religioneÌ„ Evangelicam erâ—â—â— insâ—ctari desisterent contra Evangâ—lici qui religonem Pontificiam abroâ—arant deâ—â—â—â—s à tali abrogatione abstinerent caueretque vtraque pars ne in suis dominijs quenquam ad iuâ—ae religionis professionem cogat aut à religione quam profâ—tetur contra ipsius conscientiâ—m â—vocâ—t â—ut depâ—llat And pag. 666. ante med he saith in allowance thereof neâ— hic metuo eorumâ—â—e â—â—hensionem qui putant non nisi vnam religioneÌ„ esse ferandaÌ„ c. And M. D. â—â—lke lib. dâ—sâ—ccessione Ecclesiastica c. pag. 285. 286. giueth very many examples of tolleration gâ—uen by Catholike Magistrates to Protestants in so much as hee doubteth not to say fuâ—ther Hâ—ipâ—niâ—rum Rex vnicus est inter omnes Europae reges tam alienus à nobis vt nec foueat nec pâ—lâ—m coire ecclesias permittat in suis ditionibus ibid. pag. 285. fine And see further Châ—traeus in his Chron. An 93.94 95. pag. 74. 75. 76. coÌ„cerning tolleratioÌ„ in the kingdome of Suecia and concerning like tolleration in Fraunce see l. edit du roy sur la Pacification des trobles deâ—â—roy â—â—me Anno 1576. And see likewise the Kings edict published in Paris 25. Februarie 1599. â—â—giâ—â—d and printed Anno 1599. And see the like example of tolleration in Heluetia in the booke entituled Centuriâ— Epistolâ—â—um theologicarum Epist 39. Martini Buceri pag. 123. and 1.4 wherevnto might be added the knowne example of like tolleration in Poland had of tolleration in other countries stroÌ„gly perswadeth it And aboue all the generall care of Chrâ—stian pâ—ofession and long desired peace of so many ChristiaÌ„ kingdome disturbed to the Turkes great advancemeÌ„t (o) concerning couÌ„tries which the Turke hath gotten by our discention for former times read the oration of the FreÌ„ch Embassador in M. Sleydanes Comentaries in English lib. 14. fol. 187. a. b. And M. D. Humfrey in Iesuitismi part 2. rat 3. pag. 286. And for latter times see Chitraeus his Chronicon Annâ— 1593. 1594. And see the treatize entituled ad Principes populumque Christianum de Bello adversus Turcas gerendo c. Guilielmi Brusâ—ij coÌ„cilium Lipsiae 1595. hinderance (p) M. Foxe in his Actes and Monuments Printed 1576 in his Alphabetical table at the word discorde sheweth with particuler references thereof to his booke that discord brought the Turke into HuÌ„gary 727. 695. And giueth him st eÌ„ tha aâ—st ChristeÌ„dome 712. 998. spoileth Germanie 317. Christendome 314. of Christians with intestiue division for the appeasing and reconcileing whereof to the full enabling of a most holie and needefull (4) Concerning the important necessitie hereof reade the oration mâ—de by Dressâ—â—us a learned Protestâ—nt entituled de bello Turcico oratio mathaeâ— Dressers in Accademia â—â—â—sica printed 1598. And sâ—e the treatize intituled the Ottoman of Lazaro Soranzo published in english by M. Abr. Hartwell An. 1603. in his epist dedicat to the L. Archbish of Câ—ntâ—rbury â—irca mâ—d â—â—m see in the treatize part 3. c. 33. fol. 106. b. 107. a. vndertaken warre against that hatefull monster to â—od man whose proceedings Luther and some other Protestantes haue over indisretely if not favoured yet (5) hereof see heretofore tra 2. c. 2. sect 10. initio pag 127. furthered your Maiestie being in happy league with theÌ„ all is therefore and otherwiâ—e the
THE APOLOGIE OF THE ROMANE CHVRCH DEVIDED INTO THREE SEVErall Tractes whereof 1. The first Concerneth the Antiquitie and continuance of the Catholike Romane Religion ever since the Apostles time 2. The second That the Protestantes Religion was not so much as in being at or before Luthers first appearing 3. The thirde That Catholickes are no lesse Loyall and dutifull to their Soveraigne then Protestantes All which are vndertaken and proved by testimonies of the learned Protestantes themselues Esay 19 2. And I wâ—ll sette the Aegyptians against the Aegyptians so everie one shall fight against his brother IHS Printend with licence Anno Domini 1604. AN ADVERTISEMENT to the Reader FRENDLY Reader thou art hereby to be aduertised that in regard of the many and great difficulties which accompany Catholickes in the impressioÌ„ of their bookes in England it was houlden the safest course to committe this worke to straingers laboure by reason of whose ignorance in our language and want of due asistance to him in his printing hereof it falleth out that many wordes are mistaken and other errors committed of all which thou art to afford thy fauourable and patient consideration And wheras the letters or other markâ—s of reference occurring in the text are not for the reason aforesaid asserted alwaies in their due and proper place Let thus much serue once for all to admonish thee that if at any time thou parceiue by the sence of the place that the said letters or markes of reference cannot as they should relate to the wordes next following in the text then art thou in such places to referre them to the other wordes of the text going there next before And where also the foresaid letters or markes of reference haue not somtimes their answerable citation or authoritie alledged in the margent of that page or folio thou art then to enquier therefore in the margent of the folio which is next before or next following Thus much but remembred and well obserued will be sufficient to deliuer thee from many mistakings Thus wishing thy Good as mine owne I bidd thee most hartely farewell This first of Aprill 1604 I. B. A TABLE OF CERTAINE PROTESTANT WRITERS AND THEIR PARTICVLER WRITINGS WHOSE folio or page are for more readie and certaine direction specially alledged in this discourse and of their severall editions or yeare of Printe according to which they bee so alledged vnlesse it be otherwise noted in the margent A ACCADEMIAE Nemausensis brevis modesta responsio ad professoruÌ„ Turnoniorum societatis Iesu assertiones Londini Anno 1584. Adamus Francisci his Margarita theologica c. VVotebergae 1602. Anthonie Sadel de rebus gravissimis disputationes theologicae c. Cantabrigia 1584. Acta Colloquij AldeburgeÌ„sis Lipsiae 1570. Alison his coÌ„futation of Brownisme Printed 1590. Anthonie de Adamo his Anatomie of the Masse printed anno 1556. Amandus Polanus professor in Basile his Sillogethesium theologicarum c. Basiliae M. D.XCV.II Amandus Polanus his Partitiones theologicae Basiliae M. IC.CI Andraeas Crastouius his duo libelli de opificio missae c. contra Bellarminum Basiliae M.D.XCIV Antichristus siue prognostica finis mundi Basileae per Petrum Pernam Apologia ad acta conuentus quindecem theologoruÌ„ torgae nuper habit Genevae 1575. Aretius his Loci Comunes Geneuae 1589. Andraeas Althamerus his Conciliationes locorum Scripturae qui specie tenus pugnare videntur Norimbergae Anno 1535. Abraham Scultetus his Medulla theologiae Patrum Ambergae 1603. Acta Theologorum WirtembergensiuÌ„ Patriarchae Constantinop D. Hieremiae c. Witerbergae 1584. B Baro his Treatize of Gods provideÌ„ce c. Englished by I.L. printed by Iohn Woulfe Baro his foure sermons and two questioÌ„s disputed ad clerum in S. Maries Church in Cambridge Englished by I.L. printed by Iohn Woulfe Bale his pageant of Popes printed 1574. BertraÌ„ de loque his discourse of the church traÌ„slated into English by T.W. printed 1582. Bale Scriptorum illustriuÌ„ maioris Britanniae c. Catallogus c. Basileae apud Iohâ—â—nem Oporinum Bancrofte now Bishope of London his Survey of the pretented holy discipline printed 1593. Beacon the second part of his bookes sette forth Anno 1560. Benedict Morgenstern Pastor Grandentinus in Prussia tract de Ecclesia c. Francofurtie M.D.XCVIII Beza ad acta colloquij Montisbegardensis responsio Anno 1589. Beza in his sermoÌ„s vpoÌ„ the Canticles Englished 1587. Bilson now Bishope of Winchester his true difference betweene Christian subiection vnchristian rebellion Anno 1586. Bilson his perpetual GovernmeÌ„t of Christs Church Anno 1593. Bilson of the full Redemption of mankind by the death and bloode of Christ Anno 1599. Bridges his defence of the Government c. Anno 1587. Bullinger his sermons devided into decades and translated into English Anno 1587. Bullinger his hundreth sermons vpon the Apocalippes Englished and printed 1573. Brocard vpon the Revelations Englished and printed Anno 1582. Barlowe his defence of the Articles of the Protestants religion ce printed 1601. Bartholomeus Keckermanus his Systema SS Theologiae Hanoutae 1602. Bell his Motiues printed 1593. Bucanus his Loci Comunes printed M. D.CII C Carlile his booke that Christ desceÌ„ded not into hell printed 1582. Chemnitius his Examen Concilij Tridentini Anno 1578. Chemnitius his Enchiridion c. An. 1590. Cowper late Bishoppe of Winchester his Chronicle printed Anno 1565. Chitraei Chronicon Anni 1593. 1594. c. printed Lipsiae Anno 1595. Camden his Britanniae c. printed Francofurti 1590. Carion his Chronicon expositum auctum à MelaÌ„cthone Peucero printed Bernae 1601. Couel his examinatioÌ„ of some things vsed in the Church of England c. printed 1604. CassiaÌ„der de officio Pij viri in hoc religionis dissidio Anno 1562. Coelius Secundus Curio de amplitudine regni Dei Anno 1554. Caluin Institutio impress ArgeÌ„torat 1539. Colloquium Altenburgense Anno 1570. Centuria Epistolarum theologicarum c. à Melancthone Bucero Peâ—â—â—ano alijs ab Anno 1519. vsque 1540. printed 1597. Centurie writers their Centuries printed at Basile per Iohannem Oporinum the 6. Centurie being printed there 1562. the 7. printed there 1567 and thother â—uâ—â—ormer Centuries being printed there certaine severall yeares beâ—ore Castalio his defensio suarum translationuÌ„ c. Basileae per Iohannem Oporinum Conspiracie for pretended reformation printed 1592. Crispinus his discourse of the estate of the Church Englished and printed 1602. Couel his defeÌ„ce of M. Hooker printed 1603. D De RussoruÌ„ Muscouitarum tartarorum religione c. spiâ—ae libera ciuitate veterum nemetum 1582. Deering his readings vpon the Epistle to the Haebrewes Dent his Exposition vpon the Revelations Anno 1603. Danaeus his Isagoges Christianae parte quarta Geneuae Anno 1586. Dangerous Positions published in this Iland vnder pâ—etence of reformation and for the presbiteriall discipline 1595. Downham his treatize concerning Antichrist 1603. Danaeus his responsio ad disput Bellarmini part 1. Geneuae 1596.
before Luther which are yet in memorie of this present age no example can bee alledged of the Protestants but onely of the Catholike Churches administâ—ation of the Word and Sacraments pag. 141. SECT 12 A short plaine and vnanswerable further demonstration of the Protestant Churches defection and the Catholikes Churches continuance pag. 150. SECT 13 That therefore Protestants for the preservation of Christs Church in being doe acknowledge the Catholike Church to haue beene the true Church the religion therof for sufficient to salvation pag. 154. SECT 14 A briefe repetition of the premisses of this second chapter pag. 156. TRACT 3. SECT 1 CONCERNING the confessed antiquitie of Catholike Priesthood Confession AbsolutioÌ„ Masse c. and of the Penall lawes made against them pag. 158. SECT 2 The Protestants obiection of Catholickes disloyaltie retorted vpon them selues pag. 163. SECT 3 A repetition of confessed examples prouing the loyaltie of English Catholickes pag. 168. SECT 4 A like repetition of confessed examples proving the loyaltie of forraine Catholickes pag. 173. SECT 5 A protestatioÌ„ of the now English Catholickes pag. 175. SECT 6 That the argument drawne from the confessioÌ„ of the aduersaries is strong with a breife repetition of the principall points throughout all these seuerall tractes proued all of them by testimony and coÌ„fession of learned protestants with an humble petition for priuate tolleratioÌ„ pag. 177. SECT 7 Concerning the euident incertainety and disagrement of Protestants in theire faith and the reason and perticuler examples thereof with a like humble petition thereupon for disputacion pag. 183. TO THE RIGHT HONORABLE LORDES AND OTHER THE KNIGHTS AND BVRGESSES ASSEMBLED IN THE HIGH AND MOST HONORBLE Court of Parliament houlden this present yeare 1604. FOR so much right Honorable as the Catholickes subiectes of this Nation beeing though distressed members yet truely members of that politicke Body which this high and honorable court of Parliament doth represent haue now for a great part of this last declining age bene contrarie to all example of former times excluded from their accustomed places and voices therin and continuing yet vnder such estate are therby depriued of all ordinary meanes to moue or answere for them selues when and where it doth most concerne them It cannot I hope seeme iustly greeuous or offensiue to any that being in these straights and destitute of all other aduocates they should mediate the appeasing of their former pressures and calamities by their owne most humble and earnest intercession Amongst which their sundry endeuours thus vndertaken to be made knowen vnto his Maiestie as to a most Roiall and euer flowing fountaine of all grace and mercie The treatise hereunto annexed was specially one being at first penned with intention to haue the same deliuered vp to his Highnes But wheras afterwards his Highnes being in the meane time ouercharged with multitude of petitions so formerly exhibited by Catholickes and others his princely pleasure was thereupon at last signified not to be further troubled or impoâ—tuned in that kind the author of this treatise did thervpon not only alter his first intention coÌ„cerning the deliuery therof vp to his Highnes but also seriously laboured by all carefull meanes direction for the vtter suppressing therâ—f In whiâ—h â—ourse of his said labour wheÌ„ I perused ouer the orâ—ginal writen copie hereof which casuallye and without his knowledge came vnto my handes and had fully considered the sobrietie of stile therein so carefully obserued and continued without all occasion of offence and the peculâ—er and choice methode therof togither with the sundâ—ie important reasons enlarged and set downe therein not so much with ornamente oâ— riches of wordes as with correspondence sequell of matter and that somewhat perhaps more (*) The Author hath signified his painefull allegation of testimonies to haue bene vndertaken not ambitiously to paint his margent with multitude of authorities but only in regarde of the aduersaries tergiuersation and bould deniall concerninge any pointe not pleÌ„tifully and plainly proued and to the end that what is through his affected breuitie wantinge in the text may in further satisfactioÌ„ wher it sâ—all seeme needfull be founde more fully in the margent painefully endeuoured in this then in some other like treatise formerly published howsoeuer I could not but commend his foresaid care and good discretion in not presuming by deliuerye of this treatise to his Highnes to become offensiue or further tedious to so great a Maiestie Yet could I not but censure his other intendment of suppressing the same for no lesse then extreame and fitt to be preuented as houlding it vnworthy that so great paines of such publicke profite should for his priuate satisfaction be wholly suppressed and buried in silence For which cause I haue aduentured though in regard of the reason before signified not to offend or trouble his Maiestie therwith yet to dispose therof in an other course and so publishing the same without the Authors assent to offer it with all humble and due respecte to your most honorable and graue considerations For whom other may we in the coÌ„fidence and equitie of our cause importune rather then your selues being the honorable Peers and graue Sages of our noble Nation vpon whom next vnto his MAIESTIE the charge of redressing our miseries is most properly incumbent Vouchsafe therfore I humbly beseech you to view euen with charitable and Christian commiseration our present estate condition described to you in this treatise and in like maner to waigh the reasons and motiues to the contrarie therin set downe which are many and important As first that our affliction heretofore for so many yeeres susteyned hath bene for persisting constant in that Faith wherto we Englishmen were aboue a thousand yeeres since (1) See hereafter tract 1. sect 1. conuerted that also the same faith is (2) ibid. sect 2. initio sect 3. confessed to haue bene the generally receaued faith of all Christian countries for sundrie hundreth yeeres before those times that likewise it was â—onfirmed (3) tract 1. sect 5. with true and vndoubted miracles and those reported not from the Apocriphall testimonie of any pretended fabulous Legend but from the constant assertion of learned Protestants them selues That also the same faith is deduced (4) tract 1. sect 2. circa post med tract 1. sect 3 subdiuision 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. c. vp to the Apostles times In more full demonstratioÌ„ wherof it is likewise yet further shewed as well that Protestants are not able (5) tract 1. sect 7 to proue that the Romane Church hath changed her Religion since her first profession therof in the Apostles times as also that Catholickes haue proued (6) tract 1. sect 8 the contrarie euen by sundry arguments demonstratiuely vnanswerable Furthermore that wheras according to S. Austines (*) Aug. in Psal 30. con 1. faith obscurius dixâ—runt Prophetae de Christo quaÌ„ de ecclesia Puto propterea quia
videbant in spiritu contra ecclesiam homines facturos esse particulas de Christo non tantam litem habituros de ecclesia magnas conteÌ„tiones excitaturos ideo illud vnde maiores lites futurae erant planius predictuÌ„ est apertius prophetatum est c. assertion the holy Ghost foreseeing the contentions that would arise about the Church did therefore by his Prophets speake more plainelye therof then of our Sauiour him selfe there is in this treatise accordingly described (7) tract 2. cap. 1. sect 1. cap. 2 sect 1. the propheticall historie of the true Church with like proofe of the succeeding answerable euent therof to be most euidently wanting (8) tract 2. cap. 1. sect 2. 3. 4. 5. tract 2. ca. 2. sect 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 10. in the Protestants Church and yet fulfilled (9) tract 2. cap. 1. sect 3. 4 in ours In so much has the more sober and learned Protestants in preseruatioÌ„ of Christs true Church vpon earth for many former ages in which theirs was wanting are enfoâ—ced to acknowledge (10) tract 1. sect 6. post med tract 2. ca. 2 sect 13 circa post medium our now Catholicke Romane Church to be the true Church and the profession therof for sufficient to saluation charging therfore their other inconsiderate and headstrong brethren who affirme the contrarie euen with ignorant (11) tract 2. ca. 2. sect 13. fine zeale These with sundry other important reasons being contained in this treatise and all of them made plaine and confessed not by doubtfull ambagie of words neither by onely sentences of Scriptures or Fathers though in them selues neuer so manifest for that course is specially and of purpose forborne as being in regard of our aduersaries endles tergiuersation no other then as it were a vast Ocean wherin we can hardly restraine them to any cert intie of fight But for their more full conuincing by those speciall testimonies whether of Scriptures or Fatheâ—s whose euident sense on our behalfe is accordingly and for such acknowledged euen by their owne learned writers and those not fewe or vulgar but many and of great estimation I haue in respect of such their frequent and plaâ—ne testimonies so fully alleaged in iustificacion of our Church and religion entitled this treatise The Protestants Apollogie of the Romane Church How effectuall that kind of argument is which is thus taken froÌ„ the confession of the aduersaries I shall not need to shew seing the force therof is not onely acknowledged (12) hereof see hereafter tract 3. sect 6. initio by Mr. D. Whittaker and other Protestant writers but is also of it selfe manifest euen to common vnderstanding For how can it be denied but that they who in liking of their owne opinion doubt not to preferre and maintaine the same against the vniforme and confessed iudgement to the contrarie of the auncient Fathers of our now Catholike writers and of their owne learned brethren are to be giuen ouer as being desperately incureable much more worthie of conteÌ„pt then answere These thinges being thus premised the conclusion of my most humble request is that you will not forget to remeÌ„ber these knowne principles of your owne schooles as namely that you are but men and subiecte (13) tract 3. sect 7. paulo post initium no lesse then the Fathers were or then we yet are to error ouer-sight and misvnderstandinge of the Scriptures that therfore you would resolue to (14) 1. Iohn 4 1. trie the spiritts if they be of God and (15) 1. Thessal 5 21 proue all things houlding that which is good And that accordingly you would read ouer this treatise not being traÌ„sported with preiudicate (16) Dauid Pareus a Protestant writer in libro de simbolis sacramentalibus p. 17. post med coÌ„fesseth the preiudicate conceit of many Protestants saying illud vero ego intelligo multos doctrinam Papae damnare qui eam non intelligunt damnant vero tantum nominis odio conceit of your former opinions but as led the to with indifferent and equall censure Let not the sway of times or our miseries preuaile to make you so regardles or vs dispiseabâ—e that therfore you should be vnmindfull either of your owne soules or our present â—onditâ—on Thus much but obtained I doubt not but you will in the end awake from all former spirituall drousines of opinion therupon confesse say of our Cathol ke Church as Iacob at his bodily awaking said of the place where he dreamed (17) Genesis 28 12 16 Surely the Lord was in this place and I was not aware The eternal God according to whose will all lawes shold be made direct you accordingly in your making of lawes and incite or stirre vp (18) act 5 34 35 38 39. if any as God forbid not yet satisfied with our former troubles shoulde vrge or moue for our further continued calamitie some one or other well enspired hart to perswade and preuaile as did the honorable Gamaliel when he vpon the like occasion said (18) Act. 5 34.35 38 39. Men of Israel take heede what you intend to do touching these men c. refraine your selues and let them alone for of this workâ— of theirs be of men it will fall away but if it be of god you are not able to dissolue it TRACT 1. TO THE KINGS MOST EXCELLENT MAIESTIE IHS AMONG so many and so important reasons most Gratious Soueâ—aigne as are preuailing more thâ—n ordinary in question of the truth ther doth none occur of greater satisfaction then such as is graced with answerable (*) Mr. Whitaker de ecclesia coÌ„trou 2. quaest 5. cap. 14. initio pag. 366. saith firmum sit necesse est argumentum illud quod sumituâ— ex aduersariorum confessione c. efficax eniÌ„ erit aduersariorum ipsoruÌ„ contra ipsos testimonium c. et quidem fateor veritatem etiam e suis inimicis testimonium extorque re c. acknowledgement of the learned aduersarie And seeing it is the honourable priuiledge (¶) Hereby wee vnderstand the Puritane preachers their complices of our CATHOLICKE faith to be so Iustified by her enimies of whom neuerthelesse many to make vs more odious and deiected haue of their inueterate hatred busied them selues in their daily Sermons and other-wise neuer more then now of late publikely to depraue our professed religion with all vnworthy and scandalous calumniation perplexing so against vs euen the more sober and quiet iudgements with a dispersed contagion of their sophisticated to vs most dangerous incantations we cannot therfore in so greate necessity of times in our owne defence vse either a more proper Antidote to expell the poison of such their intemperate and impurest language or lesse offensiue meanes to your MAIESTIE for the appeasing of our former continued calamities so farre as to your PRINCELY and Christian wisdome may seeme requisite then if in this our
skill and experience foreseeth the comming of the said effects to which kinde the foresaide Doctrines of Re ll Presence and Sacrifice cannot in any soâ—te be reduced by reason they cannot be saide to hâ—ue bene then depending vpon any naturall or other cause then past or in being saue only the imediate sacred will of God This therefore so plâ—ine foresaide pâ—ediction mâ—de by the auncient Rabbines before Christs tâ—me in behalfe of Reall Presence and Sacrifice demonstrating it selfe so euidently to haue proceeded not from any secondarie cause but only from a diuine instinct yeeldeth thereby a most strong argument in behalfe of the saide Doctrines 13 Thirtenthly and lastly to omitte other pointes as concerning the finall ending of controuersies not only scripture but a certaine visible and liuely Iudge vpon earth was appointed and acknowledged To omitt all other proofe thereof the Lawe of Deutronomie was that when there did (â‹) Deutron 17 8 9 11. arise any matter to hard for the people in Iudgment they were appointed to goe vp to the place which God had châ—sen and to come to the leuiticall Priâ—st and to the Iudge in those daies and to aske of them the sentence of Iuâ—gement and to do according to â—he Iudgment which they did tell not declining neithâ—r to the râ—gâ—t hand nor to the lefte it being yet further saide of him that did (*) Deutron 17 12. presumptiously refuse to obay the commaundement of the Priest thaâ— by the decree of â—he Iudge that man should diâ— Now that the sentence grounded vpon this Lawe was not subiâ—ct to new question vnder colour of appeal ng to the scriptures but was definitiue and finall and concerned aswell Ecclesiasticall as Ciuill Causes is in it seâ—fe plaine and for such (p) Doct. Rainolds in his confereÌ„ce pa. 251. circa med saith The lawe of Deutronomie was made to establish a highest Court of Iudgement in which all harder causes Ecclesiasticall Ciuill should be determined without appeall further and Mr. Whitaker de sacra scriptura p. 466. prope finem saith Respondeo verba ista intelligenda esse c. de authoritate tantum definiendi difficiles lites ac coÌ„trouersias siue ecclesiasticas illas quidem per ministrum siue politicas et foreses per magistratum vt esset semper in vtrisque aliquis a quo prouocare non liceat alioqum enim nullus esset litigandi finis vide ibidem pag. 470. paulo post med And Mr. Bilâ—on in his perpetuall gouerment of Christes Church pag. 20. post med saith hereof that the same did conscerne such matters as were of greatest momeÌ„t both Ciuill and sacred and their sentence by Gods law no man might refuse without punishment of death And see the like assertion in Mr. Hooker in his preface before his bookes of eâ—clesiâ—sticall policie pa. 26. fine 27. 28. fine confessed by Mr. D. Rainolds Mr. D. Whitaker Mr. D. Bilson and Mr. Hooker Where-vpon it is euident that not only scripture which they of the olde Testament had as well as we now haue but besides that a certaine visible Iudge was then appointed to determin coÌ„trouersies And for so much as the occasion to haue controuersies ended is as greate now as during the olde Testament the doubts of religion being as now many moe and the daunger of error no lesse greuous whether therefâ—re may it be thought that our (q) Haeor 8 6. Testament which is established in better promisses is wantâ—ng of this priuiledge and so therby the Ecclesiasticall policie of Moyses time to be preferred herein before that other which succeeded by Christ With which only laste reason the Puritanes doubt not to (r) Penrie in his supplication to the high Courte of Parliament p. 21. fine saith That forme of gouerment which maketh our Sauiour Christ Inferior vnto Moyses is an impious vngodly vnlawfull gouerment contrarie to the word c. See him further p. 22. 23. peruse the occasion and circumstance of this his reason and it will appeare to houlde much more stronge in this point then in that other for which he vrgeth it presse their other Protestant Brethren in matters of much smaller importance By which so many foresaide examples of our Cathoâ—icke Faith thus affirmed by the auncient Iewes that liued before Christs comming it is made further probable that our religion is not new or lately deuised but most auncient and vndoubtedly apostolicke which point is made as yet much more cleare by that which is hereafter (s) See hereafter tract 〈◊〉 sect 7. 8. alleadged concerning the Romane Church being conuerted in the Apostles time and her not being sithence changed in religion THAT TREW MIRACLES MAKE a strong argument And that the aforesaide faith whereto the Englishe were conuerted was confirmed with such Miracles § 5. AND like as in those firster times of the Churches infancie our Sauiour did make manifest the truth of his Apostles Doctrine with vndoubted Miracles to serue as (a) 〈◊〉 cor 12 12. signes of theire Apostleshipe to that end (b) Marc. 16 20. Confirming the word wiâ—h sâ—gnes followinge So likewise this vertue or power of Miracles not ceasing but as our aduersaries confesse (c) Whereas our Sauiour Ihon. 14 12. saith Hee that beleeueth in mee the workes that I do he shall do and greater In the Marginall Notes of the Englishe Bibles Printed 1576. it is there-upon saide this is referred to the wholle Body of the Church in whome this vertue doth shine for euer shininge in the Church for euer the necessitie thereof being one and the same in all succeeding ages to the conuersion of the heathen who contemning the scriptures are nothing moued with the Miracles thereof mencioned our Sauiour did in like maner confirme our now faith so then taught by Austâ—ne with like manifestation of Miracles not such only as Antichrist or the Diuell can by the power of nature or secondarie causes bring to passe which may be (d) Thes 2 9. lying signes against which wee are forewarned but with Miracles exceeding the power of nature and done imediately by God which by the Doctrine of learned Protestants (e) Vrsinus in CoÌ„mentar catech pag. 21. fine saith Etsi Ethnicorum nonnulla miracula commemorantur ac de Antichristo pseudoprophetis dictum est edituros esse signa c. tamen caneque numero neque magnitudine paria sunt miraculis Ecclesiae c. primum enim ea miracula quae iactantur ab hostibus ecclesiae sunt eiusmodi quae ordine naturae non mutato hominum vel diaboloruÌ„ fraudibus possunt effici c. miracula vero quibus Deus ecclesiaÌ„ ornauit opera sunt preter aut contra naturae causarum secundarum ordinem ac proinde non nisi diuina potentia facta And the like is affirmed by Zanchius in D. Pauli epistolas ad Philipenses Colloss Thessai pag. 241. 242. By Danaeus in Isagoges Christianae part 4.
slaundred me to the contrarie And yet is he commended by Mr. Foxe to dye as (8) Act. mon. page 598 b. post med a valiant Souldier and Captaine of Christ as also the Church vnder the raigne of King Henry the .8 is by Mr. Fulke affirmed to be a true (9) Mr. Fulke against Heskines Sanders c. pag. 564. sect 80. 82. Churâ—h and the King him selfe acknowleged in like manner for (10) Fulke vbi supra sect 82 and see D. Humfrey in Iesuitismi part 2. rat 3 page 304 circa med a member of the Catholiâ—ke Church of Christ In like sorte (11) Osiander cent 12. pag. 309 post med S. Bernard liued some 400 yeares since as Mr. Iewell confesseth euen (12) Iewell in his defence of the Apologie printed 1571. page 557. paulo ante med and see Whitaker contra Duraeum l. 2 page 154 ante med in the middest of the Pope rouâ—e and tyrany And as we do not finde that he was then troublede or gainesaid so much as in an one article diffe eÌ„t f om the doctrine of the Romane Church of that timâ— so we find confessed to the contrarie that he acknowleged euen (13) Bernard l. 2 de considerat ad EugeniuÌ„ vide epist 125. 131 ep 190 ad InnocentiuÌ„ and see this confessed by mr Fulke against the Rhemishe Testament in Luc. 22. sect 11. fol. 133. b. post initium and by Mr. Whitaker l. 2. contra Duraeum pag. 154. ante med the Popes Supremacie was so conformable to the doctrine of the Romane Church that he was made (14) Osiander in epitoÌ„ c. cent 12. page 309. and Symon de voyon in his catalog c. pag. 926 Abbot of Claireuaux being also (15) Osiander vbi supra page 309. fine saith Centum quadraginta Monasteriorum author fuisse creditur and Danaeus in primae partis altera parte contra Bellarminum page 940. saith Hieronimus Bernardus fuerunt monachi istius erroris authotes fautores author of many monasteries In so much as our aduersaries alledging him to vs do call him Sanctus vester (16) Gomarus in speculo ecclesiae pag. 23. fine our S. and (17) Whitaker in respons ad rat Campiani rat 7. pa. 105. ante med saith Bernardus ecclesia vestra multis annis vnum tulit pium virum a man brought forth by our Church who in regard of Christian communion was deerely (18) Osiander Centuria 12. page 305 post med familiar to Malachias whom our aduersaries reiecte for a confessed (19) Osiander ibid. See his wordes heretofore sect 5. in the margent at the figure 3. initio Catholicke or papist And yet this his knowne religion notwithstanding our aduersaries do acknowledge him for (20) Whitaker de ecclesia page 369 paulo post med saith Ego quidem Bernardum vere fuisse Sanctum existimo And see thee like in Whitaker against mr William Rainoldes page 125 126 a true Sainte (21) Osiander Cent. 12. page 309 post med a very good man (22) See this in Pasquils returne into England page 8. 13. a good Father one of the lampes of the Church of God In like maner S. Bede who liued about 900 yeeres since was so euidently of our religion that our aduersary Osiander therfore saith of him (23) Osiander in epitom c. cent 8. l. 2. c. 3. pag. 58. initio Beda was wrapped in all the popish errors wherin we at this day dissent from the Pope for he admired and imbraced the worshippe of Images the popish Masse inuocation of Saintes c. which thing appeareth also yet more vndoubtedly to omitt his euident writinges by his (24) See mr Foxe act monu printed 1576. p. 128. 129 confessed credite and estimation had with the Popes of that age and yet is he all this notwithstanding acknowleged by our aduersaries to haue bene (25) Osiander cent 8. p. 58. ante med a good man (26) mr Couper in his Chronicle at the yere of our Lord 734. fol. 171 b. renowned in all the world for his learning godly life for which he was also priuileged with the surname of (27) Of this title see Hollensheds Chronicle at the yeere 735. and mr Couper in his Chronicle at the yeere 724. fol. 168. b. and mr Foxe act mon. printed 1576. pag. 128. b. vide 129. a. Oecolampadius in libro epistolarum Zuinglij Oecolampadij p. 654 post med Reuerend and by D. Humfrey specially registred among (28) Humfredus in Iesuitismi part 2. rat 3. p. 326. initio the godly men raised vp by the holy Ghost Hitherto also appertaineth the like examples of Gregory and Austine both of them heretofore acknowleged for (29) hereof see heretofore tract 1. sect 1 d. 2. 3. e confessed popish Catholickes and yet th' one of them called by our aduersaries (30) hereof see before in this section at d. That Blessed and holy Father S. Grego the other (31) before in this section at b.c. S. Austine our Apostle where-vnto to omitte others might be added the foremencioned example of your HIGHNES Dearest Mother whose vndoubted Saluation her knowne religion notwithstanding was euen in that oposition of time by the learned aduesarie as before (32) before in this section at z. publickly acknowledged What now can our aduersaries answere vnto these confessed examples Is there (33) Iames. 1 17. with God variablenes or (34) Ephes 6 9. deutro 10 17. Rom. 2 11 1. Peter 1.17 any acception of persons or is he (35) Numer 23 19. as the sonne of man that he should change so as one and the same religion which was before in them holy should now be in vs damnable And thus much breifly concerning certaine vndoubted examples of this kinde 3 Thirdly to make this point more euident as yet by the like answerable practise of almost all Protestant reformed Churches Whereas they hould that (p) In the propositions and principles disputed in the vniuersitie of Geneua page 166. sect 25. the Sacraments are only to be administred to those that are taken for knowne members of the Church Which no man can be with-out faith because that (q) Hebr. 11 6. without faith it is impossible to please God For which cause they teach concerning Infants who in their opinion haue not (r) That children haue not faith is affirmed by master Carth write in mr Whitgifts defence pa. 611. And in the propositioÌ„s principls disputed in the vniuersitie of Geneua p. 178. sect 4. by Iacob Kimedoncius in his redemption of mankind l. 2. c 15. page 164 fine and by mr Whitaker contra Dureum lib. 8 pag. 682. faith which as the scriptures witnes (s) Rom. 10 17. commeth by hearing which Infants cannot accomplish that (t) So saye the Deuines of Geneua in the foresaid propositions and principles disputed page 178. sect
Aerius and contradicted in him by Austine haer 53. and by Epiphanius haer 75. And yet afterwards in both these doctrines they conformed them selues to Rome as is reported by Mr. Sparke vbi supra and by Osiander cent 15. page 477. and by Crispinus vbi supra pag. 451. In like manner theire defence of mariage of Priestes was contradicted against Theodorus by Chrisostom in epist 6. ad Theodorum Monachum and against certaine other by Epiphanius haer 59. ante med Also their deniall of the holy ghost proceeding from the Father and the Sonne was begunne and gaine saide about Anno 764 as witnesseth our aduersarie Keckermanus in sistem theolog pag. 68. the deniall of vnleauened bread in celebration of the Sacrament was begunne about Anno Domni 1053 as appeareth by Leo the .9 in epst ad Michaelem Episcopum Constantinop c. 5. and by Osiander cent 11. page 156. post med And by the centurie writers cent 11. c. 8. Like example might be giuen of their other but few and lesser errors the which Anno Domini 870. consist as appeareth by testimonie of Chrispinus in his discourse of the estate of the Church page 253. initio but only in the Primacie and the diuersitie of Ceremonies All which notwithstanding they do vehemently professe to detest the Protestants religion as appeareth by the two seuerall treatises translated lately into lattine the one made by Hieremias Patriarch of Constantinople the other entituled responsio Ioanâ—â—s Basilij magni ducis Muscouiae c. Anno 1570. And published and replied vnto by Ioannes Lasicius a Protestant writer of Poland and extant in the booke intituled de Russorum Muscouitarum Tartarorum religione c. printed 1582. And it appeareth in the treatise set forth euen by the Protestant diuines of witteberg entitled acta theologorum witebergensium Hieremia Patriarchae constantinop de Augustana confessione c. Printed witeberga Anno 1584 that the Greeke Church yet to this day professeth and teacheth Inuocation of Saintes and Angells pag. 55. fine 102. ante med 128. initio Reliques pag. 243. fine 368. post med worshipping of Images pag. 243. initio 244. circa post med 247. ante med 251. fine Transubstantiation pag. 86. initio 96. initio 100. circa med 240. post med 318. Sacrifice pag. 102. 104. post med The signifying Caeremonies of the Masse pag. 97. Circa med And see the marginall note thereupon And pag. 99. 100. Auricular Confession in prefat ante med in libro pag. 87. initio 130. post med Enioyned satisfaction pag. 79. 89. post med Confirmation with Chrisme pag. 78. initio 238. fine Extreame vnction pag. 242. initio 326. ante med And all the seauen Sacraments pag. 77. Circa med 242. Also Praier for the dead page 93. post med 102. ante med 109. post med Sacrifice for the dead page 95. circa med 104. post med Almes for the dead page 93. post med 109. circa med Freewill page 224. circa med 296. ante med 367 circa med Monachisme page 132 ante med 257. ante med Vowes of chastitie page 111. circa med 129. post med 135 post med The fast of Lent and other sett fasting daies page 126 fine That Priestes may not Marry after orders taken page 129. circa med and lastly to omitt many other that the tradition and doctrine of the Fathers is to be kept page 131 fine 138. initio 142. so plainely in all these chiefe points doth the greeke Church yet to this day remaine vnchanged GREEKE CHVRCH to vs though in comparison strangers thereto at this day yet discouerable And coulde then our home neighbour Rome only Rome caste of her primatiue faith and in liew thereof set abroach pretended errors not few but many not small but of importance not of beleefe only but also of practize as praier for the dead Praier to Saintes Pilgrimage Vowed Chastitie Monachisme Offering of externall sacrifice to God and aboue all to omitte many other the externall adoring as protestants thinke of Bread and Wine for God neither keepe these priuate to her selfe but therewithal infect so many Christian Nations (12) Nappeire vpon the reuelations page 68. Reignening vniuersally and all this as Mr. Napeire confesfeth (13) Nappeire ibidem without anie debateable contradiction (14) Ibidem page 239. ante med neuer suffering for the space of a 1000. yeares after Siluester the first nor before for any thing that is alleadged so much as any to be seene vouchable or visible of the true Church to match or encounter her whereas yet our aduersaries them selues do acknowledge and reporte (15) Reported at large by the centurie writers in the fifthe Chapter of their seuerall Centuries of euerie age the confessed and knowne heretickes who in euery of the foresaid ages haue in other points openly and bouldely contradicted (16) This is testified by the centurie writers vbi supra and by the other ecclesiasticall writers of euery age and see hereafter tra 2. c. 2. sect 9. l. 2. the ROMANE Church And though we shoulde suppose all this so strangely to haue hapned coulde yet so great and strange a wonder but so much as in that one foresaide example of (17) Wheras our aduersaries pretend that Honorius the third who was Pope Anno. 1220. did first bring in the adoration of the Sacrament it is a meere fiction for no writer of that age did gainesay or so much as charge him with Innouation therein onely he did ordaine that Priestes should admonish the people against theire neâ—ligence in that behalfe Before this Honorius Odo Parisiensis who liued 1175. in synodicis constitutionibus cap. 5. de sacram Altaris saith in like maner Frequenter moneantur Laici vs vbicunque viderint deferri Corpus Domini statim genua â—â—ectant tanquam Domino creatori suo iunctis manibus quoadusque transierint orent also Algerus Anno Domini 1060. l. de sacram Eucharist l. 2. c. 3. fine saith Hac fide ipsuÌ„ sacramentum quasi diuinum quiddam rationabile alloquimur rogamus Agnus dei qui tollis peccata mundi miserere nobis quia non quod videtur sed quod verè est Christum ibi esse credimus Also Antonius Praetorius a learned Caluinist in libro de sacramentis pa. 288. prope initium Telling how Damascene taught Transubstantiation with all further saith Anno. 735. Subseâ—â—â— est Panis adoratio ac si ipse Christus esset And so accordingly Carion in his Chronic. pag. 451. prope initium doth not only charge Damascene most expresly with transubstantiation but doth also ibidem pag. 476. circa med 477. paulo ante med place Artolatria That is to say saith he the odoration of the reserued and eluated Bread sequentibus Annis quingentis c. within the second fiue hundreth yeares after Christ By which only premisses as it is cleare and confessed that adoration of the
of the whole time since the Apostles to this present that (¶) See Mr. Bunny in his treatise tending to pacificatioÌ„ Sect 14. circa med pa. 89. the Church of Rome hath euer continued after a sorte in the profession of the faith since the time that by the Apostles it was deliuered to them c. and hath also in some manner preserued and hitherto maintained both the word and the sacraments that Christ himselfe did leaue vnto vs which surely saith he is a very speciall blessing of God an euident worke of the holy Ghost c. And thus much briefly whether that the Romane Church professing the right faith in the Apostles times hath at any time since euer altred or changed the same against our foresaid discourse wherof grounded vpon seuerall truthes confessed euen by our aduersaries if any boulder forehead shal wilfully oppose it selfe shall without other answere or respecte had to that which his learned brethren haue heretofore coÌ„fessed and we otherwise proued leape ouer al the foresaide proofes and ages iumping per saltum vp to the Apostles then tell vs (*) So Mr. Whitaker l 7 Contra Duraeum pa. 478 ante medium saith Nobis sufficit ex PontificioruÌ„ dogmatuÌ„ scripturarum collatione discrimen dissimilità dineÌ„â—gnoscere historicis liberum relinquimus scribere quid vâ— lint that howsoeuer we proue from histories Fathers or other testimonie of their owne writers concerning euery of the ages since the Apostles times yet the scriptures theÌ„selues are in his (¶) Hereof see hereafter Tract 2. c. 1. Sect. 1. initio in the margent at the letter p. and 〈◊〉 q. opinion contrary in many points to that faith which the Romane Church now professeth and that therein therefore she hath changed the faith which was first to her deliuered Besides that this is a most needie and miserable begging of the thing in question against which we doe vehemently contest as being more then perswaded that our aduersaries cannot truely alleage from the first of Genesis to the last of the Reuelations so much as any one texte of scripture which maketh with them and against vs. Let that man all other of his minde yet also further consider that for so much as the sacred SCRIPTVRES them selues do as before (t) See heretofore Tract 1. Sect. 8. l. n. o. and hereafter Tract 2. c. 2. Sect 1. prope initium affirme that the Churches true Pastours must euermore continew and withstand all innouation of false doctrine euen with open reprehension The answerable performance wherof in perticuler being matter of fact can be to vs at this day no otherwise made knowen then vpon the onely credite of humane testimonie commended to vs by historie (u) Mr. Whitaker Contra Duraeum l. 7. page 472. saith Quicquid de Ecclesiae Propagatione Amplitudine gloria veteres Prophetae predixerunt id perfectum esse historia Luculentissime testatur ita vatic inijs Prophetarum Ecclesiasticam historiaÌ„ suffragari nulla controuersia est the force of which testimonie our very aduersaries acknowledge (*) Mr. Hooker in his Ecclesiastical Policie l. 2. p. 115. initio saith The strength of mans authoritie is affirmatiuely such that the weightest affaires in the world depend there-vpon And ibidem pag. 116. ante medium VVhatso-euer we beleeue concerning saluation by Christ although the scripture be therin the grounde of our beleefe yet is mans authoritie the keye that openeth the dore c. The scripture coulde not teach vs these thinges vnlesse wee beleeued men c And ibidem l. 1. page 86. ante medium Of thinges necessarie the very cheefest is to knowe what bookes we are bound to esteeme holy which point is confessed impossible for the scripture it selfe to teach And l. 2. Sect. 4. page 102. fine for if any one booke of scripture did giue testimonie to all yet still that scripture which giueth credit to the rest would require an other scripture to giue credit vnto it neither coulde we euer come to any pause whereon to rest our assurance vnlesse besides scripture there were some thinge which might assure vs. c. vpon which ground l. 3. Sect. 8. page 146. fine he saith VVe all knowe that the first out-ward motiue leading men so to esteeme of the scripture is the authority of Gods Church And Mr. Whitaker aduersus Stapletonum l. 2. c. 4. page 298. post med saith non nego traditionem Ecclesiasticam esse argumentum quo argui conuinci possit qui libri sunt canonici qui non And ibidem page 300. ante medium Hoc semper dixi sensique vide ibidem l. 1. page 25. ante medium And in his booke against Mr. VVilliam Rainoldes page 44. circa med In so much as the Protestant author of the treatise of the scripture and the Church so greatelie commended by Bullinger in his preface before that booke doth after the Englishe translation thereof cap. 15 page 72 say we coulde not beleeue the ghospell were it not that the Church taught vs and witnessed that this Doctrine was deliuered by the Apostles And see further there cap. 19. page 74. 75. that there-fore the same SCRIPTVRES do therein most euidently perforce reduce them to this foresaid triall by historie and Fathers whereto if they stand their ouerthrow they see is certaine and in refusing the same their flight is shamefull As for the further extremest bouldnes of such who are in these straites resolued not to acknowledge the (â‹) Iohannes Regius in libro apologetico c. page 192. post medium and 193. being vrged to shew wherein the Romane Church changed her faith and not able to giue any one perticuler example thereof betaketh him-selfe to this extreemest bouldnes answering page 193. post medium Sed denique licet verum esset Romanam Ecclesiam in sua religione nihil mutasse an propterea mox sequetur eam esse veram Ecclesiam Non opinor In defence whereof he is not ashamed to alleadge sondry impertinent reasons vnworthy of rehersall Romane Church to be a true Church though it were true that she had not changed any thing in religion We passe the same ouer as being most absurde and much more worthy of contempt then answere THE SECOND TRACT FIRST CHAPTER SECT 1. THAT CHRISTS CHVRCH VVAS BY the Predictions of the Prophets foretolde to become vniuersall and to conuert with great increase the Kinges and Nations of the Gentiles AND for so much most GRATIOVS SOVERAIGNE as it hath bin the course of certaine our aduersaries vnder the pretence of onely scripture to vnder take libertie of reiecting all our former confessed proofes drawen from the authoritie of Mirâ—cles though neuer so true of Fathers though neuer so auncient and so thereby in the end making them selues and euery of their vulgar followers Iudges (p) Luberius in libro de principijs christian dogm l. 6. c. 13. page 563. antâ— med saith Omnes publicos Iudices vt interpretando
47. col 1293. line 25. Bigamus or he that hath bene twise married may not be Priest also with Consecration of religiouse (i) Cent. 4. col 874. line 11. women and their religiouse habite with (k) Cent. 4. col 873. fine col 874. initio Deacons Subdeacons Acolites Exorcistes Readers Dorekeepers and the speciall rites vsed in making of them with (5) Cent. 4. col 497. line 50. Sumptuouse Churchâ—s consecrated and superstitious insolencie in celebration Of the Massâ— appointed to be said in no places but such as were hallâ—wed by a Bish ppe with affirminge (6) Cent. 4. col 555. line 30. col 557. l. 45. col 558. line 54. 1250. line 2. the Church to be built vpon Peter and fâ—rther teaching (7) Centur. 4. col 551. l. 31. col 556. line 15. 1074. line 13. Peters â—â—macie And lastly euen with sondry noted examples of (8) Centur. 4. col 549. line 39. col 550. line 26. col 551. line 36. col 529. liâ—e 20. Primacie in the Bishope of Rome In so much as certaine Protestants doubt not to deale plainely with vs herein affirming that Helene mother to Constantine was (l) Centur. 4. col 458 line 5. a superstitiouse woman and the visible Church in his time (m) Mr. Iohn Nappeir vpon the reuelâ—tions pag. 68. post medium Antichristian and papisticall Whereuâ—on we doubt not in behalfe of our religion to say now to our aduersaries as did your MAIESTIE most religiously to the Puritanes in defence of the Crosse in Baptisme vsed in Constantines time (¶) In the summe of the Conference before his MAIESTIE had with the Bishopes and other of his Clergie page 69. post med Is it now comen to that passe that we shall appeach Constantine of superstition if then it were vsed I see no reason but that still we may continue it So cleare it is by the premisses that the foresaide predictions of the Prophetes were not accomplished by the Church which continued the 300 yeares next after Constantine and that though we should admitt they were it was that Church not protestant but Catholicke THAT AFTER THE SECOND 300. yeares after Christ the foresaid predictions were not performed by the Protestants Church and were accomplished by the Catholicke Church Sect. 4. NOvv for the third namely the wholle residue of time froÌ„ Bonifacius the third till Luther which conteine the last 100. yeares in which for that time the predictions of the Prophetes concerninge the Churches increase and continuance of Kinges and Pastors were most euidently fulfilled that the same were not yet during that time fulfilled otherwise then in and by our (*) The centurie writers mention the Conuersion of sondrie Nations wrought since the time of Gregory the first and Boniface the third by our Catholicke Romane Church as of Germanie cent 8. c. 2 col 20. Of the Vandalls cent 9. c. 2. col 15. Of the Bulgarians Sclauonians Polonians the Danes and Morauianes cent 9. c. 2. col 18. and of sondry Kings and Kingdomes cent 10. c. 2. col 18 19. and of a greate parte of Hungarie centur 11. c. 2. col 27. and of the Norueigians centur 12. As also the Protestant writer Osiander in his Epitomes hist Ecclesiasticae Centuriae 9.10.11.12.13.14 15. mencioneth the like Conuersion of sondry Nations performed by our Catholicke Church since the times of Gregorie and Boniface As namely of the Danes page 16. initio 94. fine the Morauians p. 16. fine the Polonians p. 36. circa med the SclauoniaÌ„s p. 36. circa med 16. post med the Bulgares p. 36. post med the Hunnes p. 37. initio the Normanes pag. 72. post med the Bohemianes pag. 77 fine the Suecians pa. 21. circa med 90. post medium The Noruegianes Liuonians and Saxones pag. 86. circa medium Tee Vagarians pag. 104. circa med The Rugij Thuscanes pag. 99. post med of Scandia p. 111. circa med Maiorâ—a p. 341. circa med of Tunes in Africa p. 377. fine of sundry other Nations p. 342. ante med Whereunto might be added sondry other like testimonies mencioned by Osiander in his Epitome cent 7. pa. 73. 168. cent 8. pa. 48. 112. 121. 127. and the like knowne conuersion of sondry Nations wrought in this age in the East Indies the VVest Indies and Africa confessed by our aduersarie Simon Lithus in respons Altera ad AlteraÌ„ gretsert apolâ—giam p. 331. where he saith Iesuitarum seges c. paucorum annorum spacio c. non contenta europae finibus Asiam Aphricam Americam suis idolis compleuit A thing so euidently performed only by our Catholicke Church that Mr. VVintaker answering therunto l. de Ecclesia contra Bellarminum p. 336. ante med saith Respondes illas Conuersiones tam multarum gentium post tempora Gregorij de quibus hic Bellarminus loquitur non puras integras fuisse sed corruptaâ— And Danaeus in respons ad disput Bellarmini part 1. pa. 780. fine answereth thereto in like manner saying Propogatio autem illa quam Gregorius primus Conon Zacha â—â—s alâ— Grâ—goriâ— secerunt sâ—it iâ—â—riatio meretricis mâ—n facta de qua est apoc 17. versiâ— 4. 18. versâ—â— 3. As concerning examples to be giuen of Protestants coÌ„uerting heâ—theÌ„ Nations we finde one only endeuour of the Caluinists lâ—boring to preach to the Indians but their labour tooke no effect as is confessed by their Francisâ—â—â— Gâ—narum in sâ—â—culo verae Ecclesiae page 161. fine 168. post med And see further thereof Villagag con Caluin and Epistolae Iudicae Catholicke Church is in it selfe so certaine and withall so euidently confessed by our learned aduersaries as that we will not seeke for other proofe therof To this end one of them affirmeth that Anno (n) See Symon de Voyon his discourse vpoÌ„ the Catallog of Doctors c. in the epistle there to the reader post medium 605. when Pope Boniface was Stalled in his Papall throne then falsehood got the victorie c. then was the wholle world ouerwhelmed in the dregges of Antichristian filthines abhominable superstitions and traditions of the Pope Then was that vniuersall apostasie from the saith foretould by Paule To this end likewise saith Mr Parkins (o) Mr. Parkins in his expositioÌ„ vpon the Creed page 400. We say that before the daies of Luther for many hundreth yeeres an vniuersall apostasie ouerspred the wholle face of the earth and that our Church was not then visible to the world and that (p) Mr. Parkins vbi supra page 370. during the space of nine hundredth yeeres the popish heresie hath spred it selfe ouer the wholle earth In so much that wheras it is (2) Heretofore tract 2 c. 2. sect 2. 3. heretofore confessed as euident that the foresaide predictions of the Prophetes concerning the conuersion of so many foretould Kings and kingdomes of the Gentiles neither were nor could
Lombards Hunnes or Vandalles haue so helde still their owne c. could shew theire originall and history set forth in most true writting and being euery where dispersed as they were coulde neuertheles keepe their owne ordinances which for so much as it contineweth among the Iewes is vndoubtedly a singuler worke of God c. If now then Godes worke be such in the dispersed reprobate Iewes afrer the time of their Sinagoges decay shall it not much the rather bee more Gloriouse in his Church of the new testament which according to Paule haebr 8 6. Is established in better promises Then euer was the other of the Iewes euer before the dissolution and end thereof And see Peter Martir vbi supra pa. 328. b. fine 329. a initio visible in the most notable prouinces of the world as Greece Italy Spaine France Germanie England c. And therfore here also againe we do submit to your MAIESTIES learned iudgement whether we or they be the men that can against the obiections in this kind of the doubtfull and misbeleeuing Iewes maintaine that before Luthers time the foresaid predictions of their Prophetes haue bene fulfilled and so consequently that our Sauiour is the true Messias which falleth necessarily into great daunger of further doubt with them if so many of their Prophecies as went of the Messias and his Church haue for so many ages before Luther bene lefte vnaccomplished Neither may the scandall or scruple hence arising be a stumbling blocke onely to the Iewes but such as hath also distracted certaine of our learned aduersaries To alleage some few examples therof and withall to omitt the straites and laborinthes into which certaine principall Protestant (b) Caluin in Daniell c. 2. vers 44. and Luther tom 7. printed at Witteberg Anno 1557 lib. de Iudaeis c. writers haue bene driuen in their disputation had of this matter against the Iewes Sebastian Castalio professor at Basill (*) Osiander in Epitom histor Eccles cent 16. pa 753. initio calleth him Sebastianus castalio vir apprime doctus Caluinista tamen Linguarum peritissimus c. And Pantalion in his Chronographia p. 125. placeth him there in his catalog of the Fathers and lightes of the Church saying further that for such Guilielmus Farellus Petrus Viretus Sebastian Castalio agnoscuntur a very learned Caluinist and highly (c) Castalio coÌ„mended by D. Humfrey de rat interpret l. 1. pa. 62. 63. and 189. And by Gesnerus in bibliotheca SebastiaÌ„ Castall And by Fridericus Furius alleadged in Sebast Castal defens suarum translat pag. 236. commended by D. Humfrey and others hauing recited sondry of the foresaid Prophecies concerning the conuersion of Kinges and the Churches foresaide happie estate and continuance and looking to the accomplishmeÌ„t thereof writeth thus perplexedly thereof to our late Soueraigne Lord King Edward the sixte (d) SebastiaÌ„ Castalio in his preface of the greate Lattin Bible dedicated to Kinge Edward the sixte saith Equidem aut haec futura fatendum est aut tam fuisse aut Deus accusandus mendacij quod si quis fuisse dicit quaeram ex eo quando fuerint si dicet tempore Apostolorum quaeram cur nec vndiquaque perfecta fuerit tam cito Exoleuerit dei cognitio ac pietas que aeterna marinis vndiâ— abundantior fuerat promisse Verely we must confesse either that these thinges shall be performed hereafter or haue bene already or that God is to be accused of lying If any man answere that they haue bene performed I will demaund of him when If he say in the Apostles time I will demaund how it chaunceth that neither then the knowledge of God was altâ—gither perfect and after in so short space vanished away which was promised to be aeternall and more aboundant then the floodes of the sea So plainely doth he more then insinuate this perilous scruple and which is most dangerous withall leaueth the same not explained or answered but perplexed and doubtfull saying yet further thereof (e) Castalio vbi supra saith Quo magis librâ—s sacrâ—â— coÌ„sidero eo minus hactenus praestitum video vtcunqueâ—ra â—â—la â—lla intelligas the more I do peruse the scripturâ—s the lesse do I finde the same performed howsoeuer you vnderstand the said Prophecies But much more greeuous is the example hereof in Dauid George the hollander who for many yeeres continued at Basill professing there the Protestants religion and by them well estemed of till in the end he became a most blasphemous Apostata and affirming our Sauiour to be a Seducer drew secretly many to his opinion the principall motiue of his reuolt being that (f) Historia Georgij Dauidis printed at Antwerpe 1568. in Octauo the Diuines of Basill published his historie Si Christi Apostolorum doctrina vera perfecta fuisset c. If the doctrine of Christ and his Apostles had bene true perfâ—â—t the Church which they planted c. shâ—uld haue continued c. But now it is manifest that Antichrist hath subuerted the doctrine of the Aposâ—lâ—s and the Churche by them begunne as is euident in the papacie thâ—rfore the doctrine of the Apostles was false and imperfect Thus far that wretched Apostata By which two foresaid examples of Castalio and Dauid Geâ—rge and other the premisses is fully discouered not onely the not fulfilling of the foresaid Predictions in the Protestants Church but also the dangerous sequell which thence ensueth against theire wholle Church and religion in generall A CONFVTATION OF THE PROTEstants obiections and answeres concerning their Churches not accomplishment of the said predictions Sect. 6. AND we may not here dissemble but referre like wise vnto your MAIESTIES graue iudgmeÌ„t the colours rather then answers wherwith certaine our aduersaries do in these straites seeke to vphold them selues and their Church 1 First some woulde enforce that the vniuersalitie which is foretould of the Church was to be accomplished but after (g) The Author of the booke entituled Antichristus siue Prognostica finis mundi pag. 12. fine saith spiritus qui annunciat futura non operatur nisi eunte Euangelio quod sub finem ex confesso Lutherus primus inuexit And pag. 13. post medium he further saith Non manifestatur auteÌ„ perseudoprophetarum surrectio nisi Euangelio quod inde a primatiuo Apostolorum Euangelio ante Lutherum vt diximus nunquam iuit ne quis autem Hussiticum Euangelium pertinere huc putet id prohibet quod Christus illud Euangelium edicit quod sub finem per vniuersum orbem esset iturum porro Hussiticum Euangelium Bohemis tantum venit signo ergo esse non potest nam coÌ„mune orbis EuangeliuÌ„ signo esse voluit non illud vnius gentis Lutheri Euangelium per orbem volat tam voce tam praelo Luthers ghospell preached which long intermission til Luthers time as it implieth a manifest breach of Gods foresaid
which latter they were also called (4) Act. mon. page 41. b. circa med see Simon de Voyon in his discource vpon the Catallog of the Doctors of the Church p. 134 insabalistes They also further taught (5) Illiricus in Catal. testium veritatis p. 731. fine 745. ante med 730. circa med 732. initio 740. ante medium that Layemen women might Consecrate the Sacrament preach That (6) Illiricus ibid. page 729. circa med 747. post medium 760 circa med Cleargie men should haue no Possessions or propertie that (7) Illiricus ibid page 729. post medium there should be no diuision of Parishes nor Churches for (8) Ibid. page 749. initio 733 circa med page 760 fine a walled Church they reputed as a barne â— alleaging textes against (9) Ibid. pag 749 initio Churches made with handes that (10) Illiricus ibid. page 735. ante med 756. ante med 752. initio men ought not to swere in any case (11) Ibid. page 731 circa med 743 post med they condemned the Sacrament of marriage affirming that those (12( Ibid. married persons mortally sinned who accompanied togither without hope of issue they held (13) Ibid. page 746. ante medi. 731. post med all thinges done aboue the girdle by kissing touching wordes compression of the pappes c. to be done in charitie and not against continencie That also (14) Ibid. page 760. circa med 740. ante med and teste Osiandro in epitom histor Eccles ceÌ„t 9. 10. 11. c. page 440 post med neither Priest nor ciuill Magistrate being guiltie of mortall sinne did enioy their dignitie or were to be obeyed (15) Illiricus in Catall test Ver. page 735. post med 755. post med They condeÌ„ned Prince Iudges (16) IbideÌ„ page 730. fine They affirmed singing in the Church to be an infernall clamor And to omitt sondry other they taught that they might dissemble their religion so accordingly (17) Ibid. page 734 paulo post med they went to the Catholicke Churâ—h dissembling and offered confessed and Communicated dissâ—mblingly By reason of which their dissimulation they secretely increased in sondry places to a great number before they could be discouered for which our aduersarie Illiricus (18) Illiricus ibidem page 722. ante med faith of them Non est quidem id omnino probandum quod in multis locis diù sine vlla publica Confessione fuerint not vnworthelie reproueth them And if Protestants will not beleeue the writers of those times reporting these and sundry other grosse errors of them why then may they not excuse in like manner Peter Bruis Almericus the Albigenses and the Apostolici or Henricianes all which liued in that age and are confessed to haue held (n) Peter Bruis denied Transubstantiation Masse Praier for the dead the single life of Priestes and Monckes Veneration of the Crosse Church musicke c. Osiander centur 12. page 282. 283. and see Catallog testium veritatis printed 1597 tom 2. page 561. 562. Almericus denied the Reall Presence Câ—nsing of Churches with frankencence he also taught that euery faithfull person ought to beleeue his owne saluation as surely any article of his faith Hereof see Vincentius in speculo historial and Bernardus Lutzemb de haeresibus Osiander centur 13. page 327. Also he denied Images Foxe act mon. fol. 70. vpon the A. side col 1. ante med and denied likewise TraÌ„substantiation Aultars and praying to Saints herof see mr Mores Table page â—74 fine And Pantaleon in Chronograph page 98. the Albigenses denied Praier for the dead Purgatorie Confession Extreme Vnction the Popes authoritie Images Pardons Ceremonies and Traditions Hereof see Foxe act mon. fol 71. vpon the B. side col 2. post med And Cesareus Hesterbachius l. 5. c. 21. and Antoninus 4. part tit 11. c. 7. the Apostolici or Henricianes Burned Crosses denied the Reall presence and Sacrifice of the Masse Also Festiuall daies consecration of Chrisme and Oyle Purgatorie and Prayer for the dead Prayer to Saintes c. Hereof see Petrus â—â—â—naâ—â—â—sis lib. contra haereses c. S. Bernard serm 66. in Cantic And Bernardus Boâ—aualensis vitae S. Bernardi l. 2 c. 5. and Osiander in Epiâ—om c. Centur. 12. page 291 ante med and Pantaleon in Cronograph page 92. sundry of the Protestants opinions as well as did the Waldenses and are yet neuerthelesse by learned Protestants reiected and reputed for (o) The Apostolici are censured for Heretickes by mr Fulke in his retentiue against Bristow c. page 124. and by Osiander centur 12. page 291. ante med And Mr. Iewell in his defence of the Apologie page 48. disclaimeth in Almaricus the Albigenses and Apostolici saying expresly of them they be none of ours And Peter Bruis is censured for an Hereticke by Osiander centur 12. page 282. 283. And see the seuerall absurd errors of Almaricus reported by Osiander in epitom hist Eccles centur 9. 10. 11. c. page 326. and of the Apostolici reported by Osiander ibidem page 291 ante med and of the Albigenses reported by Osiander ibid. page 329. and oâ— Peter Bruis reported by Osiander in cent 12 page 282 283. and see further heretofore tract 2. c. 2. sect 2 in the margeÌ„t at the letters q. and r. And Hospinianus in historia Sacramentaria lib. 4. page 361 post medium saith Henricus quidam cum Petro Bruis circa Annum Domini 1140 docere caepit semel tantum in ipsa vltima Domini caena Apostoli Christi corpus vere datum sub specie panis deinceps autem â—â—eram deceptionem esse quod Sacerdotum ministerio dicitur aut creditur testis est refutator huius erroris Petrus Cluniacensis qui eodem tempore floruit in tractatu de Sacrificijs Heretickes in regard onely of those sundry other most absurd hereticall opinions wherwith the writers of those times do in like sorte charge them Or why also may not the now succeeding ages say as much hereafter in like excuse as well of Barrowe Browne Hacket Ardington c. as also of (p) Mr. Fulke in his answere to a counterfaite Catholicke page 62. the horrible heresies of the Anabaptistes Libertines Swenfeldianes and such otherlike of this age as haue sprong from Protestâ—nts holding as yet most of their opinions Or with what credit can Protestants them selues al eage the same writers to proue that the Waldenses held certaine points of theiâ— faith for if they depend vpon their testimonie in that how can they vpon meere supposall make it doubtfull in the other considering it is euident that in those former times the saide reporters indifferently and alike condemned all those opinions wherin the Waldenses did as then dissent from the Romane Church as not foâ—eknowing which of those opinions we of this age would a low or reiect This point is yet
made much more euident by example of the foresaide Albigenses whose execrable errors are specially acknowledged and (2) Osiander in centur 13. l. 1. c. 4. page 329. initio saith Exorta est haeresis Albigentium c. Dogmata haec illis attribuuntur duo esse principia Deum viz. bonum Deum malum hoc est Diabulum qui omnia corpora creet bonum autem Deum creare animâ—s c. Baptismum abijciunt ire in Ecclesias vel in eis orare nihil prodesse c. Matrimonia damnabant promiscuos concubitus eosque nefarios sanctos ducebat Corporum resurrectioneÌ„ negant c. Quod Christus non fuerit verus homo nec verè comederit c. And a little after there he further saith Hae propositiones cum sint absurdae impiae hereticae c. Cum Albigenses admonitiones non admitterent sed in erroribus sceleribus persisterent Adhortante Pontifice Romano magistratus polliticus collecto exercitu duabus vicibus aliquot millia Albigensium truâ—â—darunt multi etiam Capitibus truncati cremati leguntur qui hinc inde sunt deprehensi fuit enim Albigensis furor Anabaptisticus qualis Anno 1534. nostro seculo Anabaptistarum monasterientium erat See also further hereof the centurie writers of Magdeburg centur 13. c. 5. and mr Marbecks common places page 22. may now mr Foxe and Chrispinus alledge these thousands thus slaine in their Catallogue of Protestant Martirs reported by sundry Protestant writers and they theâ—eupon reiected for confessed (*) Mr. Iewell in his defence of the Apologie page 48. disclaimeth in the Albigenses and others there named saying expresly of them they be none of ours and Osiander cent 13. page 329. saith as is before alledged that their opinions were absurd wicked and hereticall that they admitted no admonition but persisted in their errors and wickednes and calleth them yet further an anabaptisticall furie And Pantaleon in chronographia page 98. numbreth them amongst Heretickes And so likewise doth Mr. Marbecke in his common places page 22. Heretickes Now these Albigenses liued in the same time with the Walâ—eâ—sâ— and were as Mr. Fulke and other Protestant writers do acknowledge (3) Mr. Fulke de successione ecclesiastica contra Stapletonum page 332. ante medium saith of the Waldenses Iam dixi a Papistarum vulgo nomen hoc iâ—lis inditum vt aliás dicti sunt pauperes de Lugduno Leonistae Albigenses quicquid placuit Antichristi Scurris And ibid. page 333. circa med he saith Quae Antoninus etiam Matheus paris de Albingensibus quos eosdem esse cum Waldensibus illa Archiepiscoparum epistola probat c. vide ibid. page 359. post medi. And Mr. Sparke in his answere to mr Iohn d'Albines page 58. saith to Albines concerning the Waldenses your frendes call them Waldenses Albigenses pauperes de Lugduno c. changing their titles and names according to the diuersitie of places and times they liued in howsoeuer their religion was all one of the same secte with thâ—m bâ—ing therfore by him and others challenged (¶) Hereof see heretofore tract 2. c. 2. sect 2. in the margent at the letter q. as members of the Protestants Church and called Albigenses onely of the countrey (4) Mr. Sparke vt supra and Simon de Voyon in his defence vpon the Catall of the Doctors of Gods Church page 138. initio saith they inhabited the CouÌ„trie about Tholouse Albi. in which that company remained as in like resemblaÌ„ce the Hugonottes of France and Puritanes of Scotland and England professe to be of one religion notwithstanding the diuersitie of name wherby they be diuersly called or knowne in those seâ—erall countries Hereunto we could in further explanacion of this point also add the sundry confessed and knowne doctrines rebellions of the Waldenses of latter times condemned by Protestants and testified by Melancthon (q) Melancthon in concil theologic part 2. pag 152. ante med in an epistle to a frend of his who ministred the Communion to Infants saith Gaudeo te de summa doctrinae nobiscum sentire Waldenses scio dissimiles esse quidem nimis morosé defendant quaedaÌ„ de quibus aliquaÌ„do cuÌ„ eisrixatus sum quidaÌ„ nolunt absolue re Lapsos qui ad poeniteÌ„tiam redeunt negant coniugium suis Sacerdotibus and other Protestant (r) Benedict Morgenstern in tract de ecclesia page 79. paulo post med saith Diâ—i autem possunt noui Waldenses ex seipsis nati vel participantes quia partem capiunt a Papistis partem a Sacramentarijs partem meliorem a Lutheranis vel fratres quo nomine valde gaudent sed falsi vel certé ignorantiae quia lucem doctrinae diuinitus accensam hoc saeculo supercilio se neglexeruÌ„t errores crassissimos etiaÌ„ ab ipso Luthero An. 1523 monstratos c. clam scriptis apud suos mordicus defenderunt id quod demuÌ„ post obitum Lutheri innotuisse D. D. Ioannes Hedericus scribit c. And ibid. pa. 124. he saith to them Antichristi institutum de numero sacramentorum confirmatis licet id quidem saepius in alijs articulis fecistis vt in doctrina de celibatu votis sacra scriptura bonis operibus Iustificatione Baptismo paruulorum nec non de Purgatorio Et vide ibid. pag. 154. 226. fine See Seluecerus his testimonie of the Waldenses false doctrines and grosse errors not to be suffered And in the booke de Russorum Muscouitarum Tartarorum religionis pag. 96 Lascitius a Protestant writer affirmeth the calling of their Clergie to be by casting of lottes Persuasi Deum moderatorem sortis futurum writers euen after that they were altred (s) Laconici Antisturmij Spongia aduersus Lamberti Danaei Antiosiandrum pag. 35. initio mencioneth their being altred by Luther in many things by Luthers instruction Vpon which premisses concerning Waldo and his folowers for so much as it is made euident therby 1 First that imediately before his first appeaâ—ing he was a Catholicke and not member of any other Church to him then knowne or in being a matter furthermore so manifest that the Protestant writers do therfore affirme his first proceeding to haue bene in time of (¶) Crispinus in his discource of the estate of the Chucch page 338. paulo post medium thicke darkenes and as a first and litle beginiâ—g of the instauration of the Christian religion 2 Secondly that he was then also but a lay man and so wanted calling 3 Thirdly that his opinion concerning Iustification and sundry other pointes of faith were Catholicke 4 Fourthly and lastly that he and his followers held sondry grosse and damnable errors We do humblie as now submitt to your MAIESTIES learned iudgement whether that Protestants may alledge this example of the Waldenses as sufficient to continue and vphould the administration of their Churches Word and Sacraments But so much as at and since that foresaid time
omnibus gentibus salutare tuum vtique tâ—les vt minâ—antur vt pauci fiâ—nt hinc exeunt A multitudine vnitatis omnes exieruÌ„t siâ—ut Pâ—ulo ante coÌ„memoraui dictuÌ„ de illis ex nobis exierunt c. And Aug. trâ— 3. in ep Ioâ— saith omnes Haeretici omnes Schismat ex nobis exieruÌ„t id est ex ecl exeuÌ„t Fathers and (6) See M. Alâ—sâ—n in hâ—s confutacioÌ„ of Browâ—â—sâ—â—e pag. 1. initio Protestants doe not without euident reason note the sectemasters of their times For seeing that truth is auncient to heresie the which is but a deniall of some part of the truth then in being and professed and that the summe of our Christian religioÌ„ was accordingly at first established and continued in and by the Apostles (7) See M. Bâ—â—sons words alledged heretofore tract 2. c. 2. sect 6. at z. a. and their Successors There neuer (*) This is evidently seene in the examples of Arius Novatus Donatus c. And all other Arch heretikes or sect-masters of every age neither can our adversaries give any one example to the contrarie was therefore nor possiblie could bee any Arch Hereticke or sectmaister who dâ—d not by his the secoÌ„dary InnovatioÌ„ in denial of some truth deuide himselfe from the Catholike Churches the visible societie whervpon as it followeth by necessary sequele that it sufficeth not our adversaries to affirme with such needy begging of the thing in questioÌ„ no lesse peremptory assuming iudgemeÌ„t vnder preteÌ„ce of that forbiddeÌ„ (¶) 2. Peter 1. private interpretation whâ—ch (8) Hereof see heretofore tract 2. cap. 1. initio in the margent at the letter p. q. themselues do frame vpon the Scriptures that we haue departed frâ—m God vnlesse withall they can shewe from what other knowne companie of Christian to vs then elder in being we did devide our selves betaking vâ— so thereby into an other singuler societie as did in their several times Wâ—lâ—â— Wiâ—liâ—e Husse Luther Calvin c. in their departing from our Catholike church the like whereof to haue hapned by any such departure made by our Church f om any other knowne â—ompay of Christ ans to it then ancient and in being in any age or nation since the Apostles times our learned adversaries are (â‹) Wheras the proof hereof lieth on our adversaries part their most materiall obiections in this behalfe are examined answered heretofore tract 1. sect 7. the contrarie by vs proved tract 1. sect 8. not able to shew a thing in regard of the reason befoâ—e alleaged worthy of all speciall due observation So likewise which is no lesse worthie also to be observed although it be manifest grouÌ„ded that the true Church must vndoubtedly evermore (9) Hereof see hereafter tract 2. cap. 2. sect 13. initio in the margeÌ„t at the letter r. continue with (10) Hereof see heretofore tract 2. ca. 2. sect 1. lit tâ—â— x. y. Z. b. c. administration of the Word and Sacrament Yet to avoide the example of the Primitiue Church being as made by our adversaries vnworthily questionable by vs heretofore even from themselues sufficiently (11) Concerning testimonies of our nâ—w Catholike doctrine to have beene taught in the Primitive Church see heretofore tract 1. sect 2. 3. tra 2. c. 1. sect 3. cleared and withall to restraâ—ne theÌ„ to an other no lesse large certaine knowne time they are not able to name froÌ„ Anno Dom. 700. for other 700. yeeres then next after following a time long larg enough so much as but any one (*) The Waldenses Wicleâ—â—stes Hâ—ssites Lutherans admitting they were all Protestants the contrarie wherof is heretofore prooved are yet in their forenamed severall sect-masters as are also the Calvinistes in Calvine reduced to a Catholike beginning And as for other examples our adversaries caÌ„noâ— giue instance so much as of any one other man whom they can pretend to haue been originally a Protestant and not a Catholike And if they flee to the examples of such other as themselues cannot but acknowledge for confessed heretikes it is ridiculously impertinent and sheweth their full conviction herein other persoÌ„ living during any part of althat time in any one nation of the earth whom they can but with any coulor pretend to haue beene at first no Catholike but originally a Protestant As we haue before said Waldo Wicliue Husse Luther Caluin c. from whom haue sprong the Waldenses Wiclevistes Hussites Lutherans Caluinistes c. were each of them originally Catholickes as likwise were for former times Arius Nouatus Pelagius Nestorius c. Let now our aduersaries peruse though most carefully the seuerall writings of their own most painful writers in this behalf as nâ—mely M. Fox his Acts monuments Il iricus his Catalogus testium veritatis Simon de voyon his Discourse vpon the Catalâ—gue of the Doctors of Gods Church also the century writers of Magdeburge and they shall not in all or any of them or in any other find instance or example of any one other man named to the contrarie of that which wee now vrge if then our learned adversaries be not able to giue vs neither instance of any departure made by our Church froÌ„ any other knowne coÌ„pany of Christians to it then ancient and in being yet neither also example as it is before required during the time before limited so much as but of any one man liuing in any part of the world who was at first no Catholike but originally a Protestant If these things be plaine evident not to be excepted against by our learned adversaries what then can be more cleere to proove a manifest interruption and discontinuance of their Churches Pastors adminstration of the Word Sacraments that as our Religion is vndoudtedly that (12) Math. 13 24. Good seede which Christ the good husband man first Sowed in his field So also their aduerse doctrines are those forewarned (13) Math. 13 25. tares which the enemie afterwards came and sâ—wed among the Wheate went his way And thus much concerning the Protestants apparent defection of their Churches Pastors administration of the Word and Sacraments THAT THEREFORE PROTESTANTES for preseruation of Christs Church in being doe acknowledge thâ— Catholickâ— Church to haue bin the truâ— Church and the Religion thereof for sufficient to Salvation SECT 13. WHICH saiâ—le defection or wante of their Churches Pastors administratioÌ„ of the Word and Sacramentes carrieth with it such an evident scandall or rather scroople by reason of the confessed doctrine to the contrarie of all men conâ—erning the true Churcâ— which according to (r) M. Whitaker against M. Raynoldes in his answere to the preface pag. 33. saith Wee beleeue to the comforte of our soules that Christs Church hath continued and neuer shall faile so long as the world endureth we accompt it a prophane heresie to teach otherwise And the same is yet
lib. de veritate Corporis Christi in Sacra caena pag. 256. paulo post medium saith Embdensâ—s illustrem dominuÌ„ suum mota seditione advocato peregrino milite fere non solum civitâ—te sed tota ditione pepulissent pacti etiâ—m sunt ne potâ—stateÌ„ habeat dictus illustris comes vllius religionis nisi Câ—lvinistae exercitium subditis in Civitate Embdâ—na coÌ„cedere tamen liceat quod magnae est gratiae facere in aula coÌ„cionatorem qui sit Augustinae coÌ„fessionis Hâ— sunt fructus fidei vestrae c. reporteth by force expell the Civill Magistrate being a Luâ—herane and inforce that the eâ—ercise of the Calvinistes religion should be publique and â—he other but priuate to the Magistrate in his oâ—ne house Is there not also like further â—epoâ—t or mention made by the Protestant writer â—riâ—tuus of the (2) Crispinus in his booke of the Churches State pag. 509. initio Sâ—dition at Basile betwixte the Bu geâ—â—â—s and certeine of the Senators for the cause of religio and that the Burgâ—sses hauâ—ng taken armes cast downe the Imagâ—â— in the Templâ—s and cauâ—ed the Senaâ—e to agree to what they demaunded and that herevpon twelue Senators favâ—uriâ—g Papâ—strie were deiected out of the Senate and that in this sort the Masse was then abolished through all that Signorie Wherevnto might be added the knowne confessed example of like (3) Osiander in epitom-hist Eccl. centur 16. pag. 801. post med 803. ante medium impatient furie at Antwerpe and certaine other placâ—s of Holland Zelland c. as also of (4) Testified by Crispinâ—â— vbi supra pag. 627. finâ— and by Osiander centur 16. pag. 959. And Sarauia in defens tract de diversis gradibus ministrorum c. cap 2. pag. 74 ante circa medium saith quid his verbis D. Beza siâ—nificare velit quando pios expectare non aâ—quum censet donec lupi publica auctoritâ—te expellantur quidam dubitant videre privata auctoritate lupos illos posse expelli sicut in Belgio alijs loâ—s factum est vbi templa monasteria cum Monachis Episcopis vniuâ—rsoque clero paâ—istico spoliâ—ta diruta sunt populari tum vltu militari licentia invitis summis magistratibuâ— contra fidem datam Petrus Datâ—enus and others chiefe of the Congregation in Gaunt who Anno 1578. stirred vp the Cittizens there to thrust out all thâ— Mâ—sse Priestes and Monckes out oâ— the Cittie and put their goods into their treasurie c. doth not Mr. Doctor Suâ—clyffe accordinglie confesse that (k) M. Sutclyffe in his aunswere to a certaine Lybell Sapplicatorie c. pag. 75. paulo post medium Bezain his booke de iure magistratum in sâ—bditos doth arme the subiectes against the Prince in these causes that this (l) M. Sutclyffe vbi supra pag. 192. post medium booke ouerthroweth in effect all the auctority of Christian Kinges and Magistrates Doth he not likewise further affirme (m) M. Sutclyffe vbi supra pag. 75. post medium that the author of the booke which is intituled vindiciae contra tyrannos whom saith he many affirme to be Beza or Hottoman doth giue power to the subiectes not onely to resist but also to deâ—ose and kill the Pri ce if he impugne Gods relâ—gion did not Iohn Knoxe alledge in proofe of his owne seditious opinion (n) Hereof see the historie of the Church of Scotland printed by Vautrouilier pag. 213. and M. Sutclyffe vbi supra pag. 192. ante med Caluine and certaine other ministers then residing at Geneua teaching that it is lawfull for subiectes to reforme religion wheÌ„ Princes will not yea rather then faile euen by force of armes do not our aduersaries themselues acknowledge accordingly that the Protestants (o) Hereof see Bodinus de republica pag. 353. and Calvine to Sadolet pa. 172. and M. Sutclyffe vbi supra pag. 194. initio and the L. Bishop of London in his Survey of the preteÌ„ded holy disciplin pa. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. of Geneua did depose their Leige Lord and Prince from his temporall right there from which yet to this day they keepe him by force excluded In so much as the Lord Bishope of London and Mr. D. Sutcliffe proâ—esse without any couerture of wordes plainely to dislike (p) See the foresaide Sâ—rvey c. pag. 14. circa med and M. Sutclyffe in his said answere pag. 194. initio the diuinitie which was pretended in defence thereof by the Ministers of Geneua (3) Conâ—erning the Lowe Countries see Osiander in epitom hist eccles centur 16. pag. 941. fine where he saith Belgici publico scripto Domino regi suo Philippo omnem obedieÌ„tiam subiectionem renunciant And see there further pag. 801. post medium and 803. ante medium and 805. prope finem Thirdly to forbeare aswell the confessed example of Ioannes (*) See Osiander in his Epitom centur 16. pag. 802. fine Functius a prime Protestant publiquely executed for his offence of this kinde as also for some respect what is or may bee further saide conceâ—ning the Protestant Subiectes of (2) For Fraunce see Peter Mâ—rtir in his epistles annexed to his comoÌ„ places in English pag. 157. b. and Osiander in epitom hist Eccles centur 16. pag. 697. initio 708. circa medium and 804. post mediuÌ„ and 809. initio And see Crispinus in his booke of the estate of the Church pag. 614. post medium and 615. and 616. fine and 619. post medium and 611. fine and 613. fine and 625. post medium And see the Historie of the civill Warres of Fraunce gathered from Anno 1585. till 1591. Printed at London Anno 1591. of the Kinges royall auctoritie ioyned with the Leaguers pag. 91. initio and 168. fine and of resistance after made thereto by them of the reformed religion pag. 48. and 49. fine and 51. circa medium and 104. and 135. post medium and 143. circa med and 144. ante med and 165. paulo post medium and 169. post medium and 172. c. Fraunce and the Lowe (3) Concerning the Lowe Countries see Osiander in epitom hist eccles centur 16. pag. 941. fine where he saith Belgici publico scripto Domino regi suo Philippo omnem obedieÌ„tiam subiectionem renunciant And see there further pag. 801. post medium and 803. ante medium and 805. prope finem Countries many other (4) See these other examples in Osiander centur 16. pag. 115. circa med and 735. initio circa med 599. paulo ante med and 692. fine and 802. fine and 942. and 125. ante med and 523. initio and 350. ante med and 1120. fine and in Crispinus in his booke of the estate of the Church pag. 636. circa medium and 682. ante medium And see the Protestant writer Dresserus in parte secunda millinarij sexti where he acknowledgeth and reporteth concâ—rning Gâ—rmanie pag. 656. ante medium saying
therefore immediately and next vnder God we are by all lawes divine and humane obliged in the highest degree of all earthly alleageaÌ„ce To the inviolable observing whereof against the ambitious claime or coÌ„petencie of all pretenders whatsoever forraine or domesticall we do hereby as in the presence of God and his Angels most seriously and sincerely protest vpon our soules most humbly this one for ever imploring of your Maiestie that whereas the auncient enemie of our Catholike faith obseruing the weakenes of such as are most apte to bee seduced will in dâ—scredite of our religion still busie himselfe with (s) Math. 13 24. Sowing of tares amongest the whâ—ate If therefore as God forbid and we strongly hope the contrarie any one or other vnquiet spirit should arise and (t) 1. Ioh. 2 19. Act. 15 24. goe forth from vs as amongest the (u) Iohn 6 70. chosen twelue one was a divell whose least error or indiscretion our politicke adversaries over greedy of our discredit would drawe on and agravate against vs with all tragicall immoderate amplification your HIGHNES would yet in your Princely and rightfull Iudgment distinguish the fault from the religioÌ„ retorning which we wish most severely the offence and punishmeÌ„t therof vpon the offender himselfe according to the lawes in that behalfe p ovided without imputation thereof to vs or further scandall to our profession THAT THE ARGVMENT DRAWNE frâ—m the Confession of the Adversaries is stronge with a brâ—ef repetitioÌ„ of the principall points throughout al thâ—se severall tractes all of them proved by the testimony confession â—f lâ—arned Protestants with an huÌ„bâ—e Petâ—tio for private tolleration SECT 6. FOâ— so much as our leâ—â—ned aduersaries do afâ—â—rme â—h t (x) Academiae Nâ—mansis respons ad professorum â—urnoniorum Societatis Iesu assertionis c pag. 84. saith magnae profâ—ctâ—â—nâ—ustriae â—st ex ipsius aâ—versarâ—â— erbis adversarium convincere it sâ— grâ—ate â—eeâ—e of wo k to coâ—uince the adueâ—â—aâ—â—e from himseâ—â—e And M. D. Whitaker saith â—ccordingly (y) M. Whitaker de Ecclesia Controu 2. quaest 5. cap. 14. initio pa. 366. saith Decimam tertiam notam statuit Bellarminus adversariorum coÌ„fessionem firmum certè sit necesse est argumentum illad quod hinc sumitur c. efficax enim erit adversarioruÌ„ ipsorum contra ipsos testimonium c. et quidem fateor veritateÌ„ etiam suis inimicis testimonium extorquere c. the argument must needes be strong which is taken froÌ„ the confession of the aduersaries for the confession of the adversaries against themselues is effectuall and truely saith he I do acknowledge that the truth enforceth testimonie from her enemies And since also most gratious Soueraigne that we haue in this dâ—scourse forbearing oâ—r other plentifull helpes restrained our selues to this inequality or precisenes of Method â—riâ—ging so forth as the Proâ—het saith (*) Esay 19 2. the Aeâ—iptians against the Aâ—g ptians haue to the more euident setting forth of the equitie of this ouâ— most humble supplication accordingly shewed euen by the frequent and manifest â—onfession of our learned aduersaâ—ies First that we English men were aboue a thousand (z) Heretofore tract 1. sect 1. initio yeares since conuerted by Gregorie and Austinâ— to our now professed Catholicke faith 2 Secondly that the same faith was as yet much more ancient and long (a) Tract 1. sect 2. pag. 5. initio before that time vniuersally professed 3 Thirdly that it carrieth with it great (b) Tract 1. sect 2. ante post medium sect 3. probabâ—lities to haue begun euen in the Apostles time is so thereby cleared from that note of noueltie which your (¶) For my part I know not how to answere the obiectioÌ„s of the Papists wheÌ„ they charg vs with novelties but truelie to tell them that their abuses are new in the Summe of the ConfereÌ„ce before the Kings Maiestie pag. 73. ante medium Maiesty most religiouly seemeth to dislike in what profession soeuer 4 Fourthly that the argument of true miracles is (*) Tract 1. sect 5. paulo post initium strong and certaine and that our faith is confessed to haue beene accordingly (c) Tract 1. sect 5. pag. 35 and in the margent at the maâ—ke * confirmed with such 5 Fiftly that the hopefull promises of (d) Tract 1. sect 6. pa. 40. 41. 42. 43. 44. saluation do appertaine to it 6 Sixâ—ly that the Romane Church being conuerted in tâ—e Apostles time did neuer (â‹) Heretofore tract 1 sect 7. sect 8. since make change of her religion Since also we haue by like testimonie of our adversaries further shewed in the 2. tract of this discourse 1 First that the Prophets do foretell how that Christs true Church mâ—st after her first incâ—ease (e) Tract 2. c. 1 sect 1. pag. 74. 75 at a. b. c. d. contâ—nue Cathol cke and â—niversall mâ—st likewise wâ—th greâ—t and prosperoâ—s successe convert (f) Heretofore tract 2. caâ— 1. sâ—ct 1. pag. 74. pag. 75. at q. many nations â—nd Kâ—ngs of tâ—e Gentiles fâ—om paganisme to the faith of Châ—ist 2 Secondly that dâ—ring the first 300. yeares after Christ these predictioÌ„s were (g) Heretofore tract 2. cap. 1. sect 2. initio pag. 76. not performed by reaâ—on of the persecutions that as then raged 3 Thirdly that the performaÌ„ce of them was begunne but (h) Tra. 2. c. 1. sect 2. circa post med pa. 76. et 77. not accomplished during the second 300. yeares after Christ and howsoever it were as then either begunne or accomplished yet was it done by our (i) Tract 2. c. 1. sect 3. pa. 77. 78. 79. 80. Catholike and not their Protestant Church 4 Fourâ—hly that after the saide second â—00 yeares euen till Luthers time the protestants Church was so farre from performing the saide predictions that during all that time and long before it is confessed to haue remained (k) Heretofore tra 2. c. 1 sect 4. pag 81. 82. 83. inuisible our Church neuerthelesse during all the saide time conuerting the (l) Tract 2. c. 1. sect 4. pa. 81. in the margent at the marke * and pag 83. at q. r. and 82. at n. o. p. Kings and nations of the Gentâ—â—es 5 â—ifâ—y that the manifest and confessed defect of the protestants Church in not performing of the saide predictions aduaÌ„tageth the (m) Tra. 2. c. 1. sect 5. ante medium pag 85. Iewes against them in so much as it made their learned (n) Tra. 2. c. 1. sect 5. paulo post med pag. 86. at d. e. Castaliâ— to stagger in his faith and David (o) Tra. 2. c. 1. sect 5. prope finem pag. 86. at f. George to revolte frâ—m them to plaine apostasie Since also in the same seâ—ond tract we haue likewise further shewed from the like testimonie of our learned adveâ—saries 1 First that Christs true Church can never
(p) Heretofore tra 2. c. 2. sect 1. initio pag. 91. at z. a. b. c. d. want Pastors and Doctors that these shall (q) tract 2. c. 2. sect 1. circa med pag. 92 at p. q. r. alwaies resist f l e dâ—ctrine with open reprehension that also the true Church can never be without (r) Tra. 2. c. 2. sect 1 paulo p st medium pag. 92. at y. the administration of the Word and sacraments that (s) Iâ—idem pag. 92. at z. the onely absence of them dâ—th make a nâ—ll tie of the Church and that (t) Ibidem prope finem pa. 93. at c. thâ—se notes are needefull to distiâ—gâ—ish the true Church from the false that men careful of â—heir salvatio may know where the true Church is a d tâ— which companie they o ght to aâ—here 2 Secondly that thâ— comâ—on in s anâ—â—es or examples of (u) Tract 2. cap. 2. sect 3. pag. 98. Waldo (x) Tract 2. cap. 2. sâ—ct 4. pag. 105. â—â—ic iffe (y) Tract 2. cap. 2. sect 5. pag. 109. Huse (*) Tâ—act 2. cap. 2 sect 10. pag. 126. 127. c. at s ct 11. Luther tâ—eir followers alledgâ—d â—â—â—al yâ—â—â—â—râ—oâ—mance hereof are fouÌ„d insufâ—cient to proâ—â— a continuance of these prem sses but so much as for those times in which they first begunne or lâ—ued and that no (*) Heretofore tra 2. c. 2 sect 7. pag. 115. 116. 1â—7 118. 119. 120. sufficient example thereof during those times and sundry other ages before can be giuen 3 Thirdly that in steed of example in this kinâ— to be alledged it is confessed to the contrarie that the Protestants Church hath during all those ages many other before remained (z) Heretofore tract 2. cap. 1. sect 4. ante circa med pag. 83. at t.u. pag. 82. at o. Latent and invisible and that our Church hath neverthelesse during all the same time continued (a) Tract 2. cap. 1. sect 4. pag. 83. at r.s. visible reigning vniversally c. 4 Fâ—urt ly whâ—ch only point is sufficieÌ„t to coÌ„vince our adversaries that no known example can bee fâ—unde hereof but during the last (b) Tract 2. cap. 2. sect 11. twentie yeareâ— next before Luther whâ—ch are yet in the memorie of this presentage our adversaries acknowleeging to the contrarie that (c) Heretofore tract 2. cap. 2. sect 11. pag. e. the truth was at that time vnknowne and vnheard of and that as then (d) Vide ibidem an vniuersal apostasie over spread the whole face of the earth (e) Ibidem all Churches being as the overwhelmed with more then CimeriaÌ„ darkneâ— 5 Fifthly that therfore for the preservation of Christs true Church which is confessed (f) Heretofore tra 2. c. 2. sect 13. initio and in the margent there at the letter r. never to faile so much as for any one moment of time sundrie of our learned adversaries doe acknowledge that Luther thoâ—gh being before his first preaching against the Pope a confessed earnest Catholike did yet neverthelesse after his saide preaching against the Pope not (g) Heretofore tra 2. c. 2. sect 13. y. also in the margent there at the letter y. ibideÌ„ in the margent at the letter z. erect any new Church or become member of any other Church theÌ„ before not in being but remained stil a member of he same Catholike or Popish Church without (*) Heretofore tract 2. cap. 2. sect 13. b. c. departing from it so withall that the Popâ—sh Church (h) Tra. 2. cap. 2. sect 13. versus finem tra 1. sâ—ct 6. post medium pag 40 e. f. is the Church of God and the religion th reof sufficient to (â‹) Tract 1. sect 6. versus finem pag. 40. at m.n. Salvation All whiâ—h premisses haâ—e beene heretofore proved froÌ„ the fâ—equeÌ„t â—â—fessâ—on of our learned adversaries Since alâ—â— we for our â—arts do hereby most seriously and as â—n the presence of God professe according to your Highnes gra e and meâ—orable (i) Basilicon doron in praefat prâ—uision to content our selues sobâ—â—ly and quâ—eâ—ly with our owne opinions not resisting aâ—thority but to pâ—sessâ—ur sâ—â—les in peace c. and are accordingly in good hope that there will appeare to your Maieistie iust cause to moue your highnes in your Princely wisedome so much the rather to obserue towards vs this worthie and kingly saying (k) Ibidem that it can no waies become to pronouÌ„ce so â—gh be sentence in so olde a controversie By how much it is by so many confessed premises made evideÌ„t that our doctrinâ— is vndoubtedly more olde then was any question of that other doctrine or in comparison rather innovation whereto your Maiestie voâ—chsafed this gracious favour Since Lastlie the obiection of disloâ—alty vrged against vs by our adversaries is retorted (l) Heretofore tract 3. sect 2. fully vpon themselâ—es we found (m) Heretofore tract 3. sect 3. 4. 5. to deserue at the least as wel as they some part of that princely favour which they without our repyning thereat in â—reater measure doe enioy therefore all pâ—ostrat before your royal Maiestie we do most huÌ„blie pray even by our holy communioÌ„ of faith with her whose soule is now blessed in heauen her memorie vpon the earth to your Maiestie most deare and to vs reverend and by the most humble intercessiâ—n of our allegeance and ever resolved loyaltie that your Highnes would of your princely clemencie graunt vs so much favour as the vndoubted example of all former and present times and the coÌ„fessed Doctrine both of Fathers and Protestantes (â‹) Hereof M. Covell in his examination c. pag. 199. post med saith Concerning the Iewes a Prince may lawfully permitte them to dwell in his kingdome c. the lawes of the Emperours haue permitted the like and some of the fathers but speciallâ— S. Austine was so favourable to them that he alledgeth severall reasons for the doing of it c. And Peter Martyr in his Comon places in Engliâ—â— part 2. pag. 329. b. fine affirmeth likewise that they may be tollerated among Christians haue also Sinagogâ—es c. But it is not lawful to grant vnto Turkes religâ—ous assemblies affordeth eveÌ„ to the misbeleeuing Iewes vouchsafeing so for our humble thoughts presume no higher but that we might adore (*) Act. 3 13. the God of our Faâ—â—ers with our private freedome and libertie of coÌ„science The integritie of our ancieÌ„t Cathoâ—ike faith and confessed current of so many former ages spent in profession thereof from the time of our Countries fiâ—st câ—nverâ—â—on with all honour to your Maiesties most noble auncestors can in our opinion no lesse then claime it The distressed and miserable condition of so many your Catholike and Loyall subiectes altogether needeth it our long contâ—nued hopes of your princely clemencie with cheerefull expectation of milder times to ensue vnder your Highneâ—