without testimonie of miracle giue assurance to others that he is thus taught especially in such sort to make them forsake the teaching of the catholike Church which by plaine proofes and testimonies of Scripture they do know to be taught of God Nay they ought not in anie sort to beleeue him but rather to esteeme him as one of those of whom it is said Ezech. 13. Vae Prophetis insipientibus qui sequuntur spiritum suum nihil vident dicunt ait Dominus cum ego non sum locutus Neither is it sufficient that these men alledge words of Scripture for that which they say because euery sect-maister alledgeth Scripture for his opinion yea the diuell himselfe for his purpose bringeth words of Scripture Math. 4. The Answer 1 These two conclusions might easily be granted without further examinatiō if the Iesuit had not a further reach in them thē the words pretend For what Protestant thinketh that any priuate mā or any company of men how learned soeuer or any mans naturall wit and learning is the rule of faith which honour we giue to the spirit of God in the Scriptures only But the Iesuit aimeth at those which in cōparison of the rest of the world being but priuate men particular Churches haue examined refused the Romane faith as Wicklieffe Hus Luther and the Churches of England Scotland and Germany haue done that so hauing in his former conclusion pluckt the Scriptures from you he might also in these two bereaue you of such faithfull Pastors as God hath stirred vp from time to time to instruct you and when he hath done in his last conclusion obtrude vpon you his Papall consistorie If he meant Priuate men wits learning and companies as they are opposed to diuine and spirituall he said well for no such priuate men wits learning or companies may be heard against the present doctrine and this is well proued in the Iesuits discourse but vsing it in that sence as it is opposed to common and vsuall a Priuatum accipio vt opponitur communi spiritui Mart. Peres de Tradit part 2 assert 4. pag. 48. which the Papists alway do his conclusions are vntrue viz. that nothing may be receiued which priuate men or particular companies teach against that which is surmized to be the Catholicke Church For in matters of religion it maketh no matter whether the teachers be many or few publicke or priuate persons as long as they teach the faith and expound the Scriptures truly For a true exposition is publicke though the companie that giue it be priuate and a false exposition is priuate though the Church that vrge it be neuer so publick yea though it came from a generall Councell And so this is to be holden concerning priuate men and companies that they may sometime be infallibly assured of the truth against a publicke multitude as the Romane Church for example and hauing the Scripture for their foundation may teach and beleeue against it in which case though their persons and wit and naturall learning be not the rule yet as long as they follow the Scripture which is the rule we are bound to heare them This being all that we hold and that which the Iesuite in these conclusions girdeth at now I come to examine his arguments against it 2 First he saith all mens wit and learning is humane natural and fallible therfore no mans wit or learning can be the rule which must sustaine our faith diuine supernaturall and infallible Wherto I answer granting the whole argument for we say not any mans learning is the rule or any companie of men the foundation of our faith but the contrary as I haue said onely we hold they may be so assisted by the holy Ghost that they may interprete the Scriptures truly and infallibly against a company as big as the Romane Church And this is a full answer to the second conclusion 3 Next in his third conclusion he saith No priuate man can be this rule at least when he teacheth contrary to the receiued doctrine of the Catholicke Church because Saint Paul saith If any preach any other Gospell then then which we haue preached vnto you let him be accursed This text is b Rhem. vpon Gal. 1.8 commonly vrged against Luther and Caluin for preaching otherwise then the Romish Church beleeueth whereby you may see what the Iesuite driueth at in these two conclusions But I answer though this text proue that no priuate man is the rule of faith and that no teaching may be receiued against the Scriptures yet there is nothing in it against such as resist a false Church though they be men neuer so priuate For Saint Paul speaketh of the doctrine which he had taught not which euery Church calling it selfe Catholicke may possible hold and of it he saith Let him be accursed that preacheth otherwise Now c Phil. 3.1 Iren. l. 3. ca. 1. Niceph. Callist l. 2. c. 34. all that the Apostle preached is written in the Scriptures and so he accurseth none but such as teach against them forbidding all men to preach against the Churches doctrine consenting with the word But when any thing deflecteth from that it may and must be excepted against euen by priuate men else this very text accurseth them for consenting to it Thus d Contra lit Petiliā Donat. l. 3. c. 6. de Vnitate Eccles cap. 11. Austin expoundeth the place If we or an Angell from heauen declare vnto you either concerning Christ or his Church or any other matter belonging to our faith or life any thing but that which you haue receiued in the writings of the Law and the Gospell let him be accursed See Austine preferring the Scripture aboue all things expoundeth the place against such as teach any thing concerning faith and manners let the Iesuit mark this but that which is contained in the Scripture and the Iesuite begging the question talketh idlely of his Romane Church 4 His second argument to proue his third conclusion is that the priuate spirit is not infallible and plainly knowne Whereto I answer that this is false meaning priuate as the Iesuite doth I haue distinguished it for a smal company holding against a multitude as e 1. Reg. 22. 23. Michaiah did against 400. Prophets may be directed by the spirit of God in the Scriptures which are infallible plainly knowne But neither thēselues nor any other can be sure they are thus taught I answer this is vntrue for the Scripture is a light and knowne by the sons of light and by it they may be assured Now they that be thus assured are infallibly sure they are taught by the holy Ghost for f 2. Tim. 3.16 All Scripture is inspired of God and containeth the teaching of the holy Ghost But there is no promise in the Scripture to assure him he is thus taught Yes for the Scripture promiseth that euery doctrine is of God that consenteth with it and
whether it be true or no. But to examine the Churches faith he saith is absurd and thus he proueth it They which examine the particulars taught by the Church whether they be the truth or not with authority to accept or reiect make themselues examiners and iudges ouer the Church and preferre their owne liking and censure before the iudgement definition and censure of the Church But this later is absurd considering the Catholicke Church is a company of men wise learned and free from error Mat. 28.20 Iohn 14.16 16.13 Ergo the former is also For answer to this argument we do not hold that we haue authoritie to accept that which we like or which in our conceit seemeth right and to reiect whatsoeuer we dislike or which in our priuate iudgement seemeth not conformable neither do we admit any priuate conceit of any man as the Iesuite vntruly suggesteth but all authoritie thus expounded we disclaime and renounce And here I affirme against his odious suggestion that not we but himselfe and his Pope are guiltie of this presumption of whom they write a Sacr. Cerem lib. 1. tit 7. that all power is giuen him in heauen and earth b Innocent 3. de Concess praebendae c. proposuit And of the fulnesse of this power he may by right dispence beyond all right c Gloss ibid. §. supra ius Euen against the Apostles and their Canons and the old Testament and in vowes and othes d Sum. Angel voce Papa nu 1 And against all the commandements of the old Testament and the new For otherwise it might seeme that God had not bene a prouident father in his familie neither could it be said that the Pope is Gods generall Commissary assumed vnto him into the fulnesse of power Finally e De translatione Episc c. quanto in gl He is said to haue a heauenly iudgement that can make somthing of nothing and that to be the sence which is no sence because in such things as he will his will is insteed of a law Whence it cometh to passe that f Cusan ep 2. pag. 833. the Scripture is fitted to the time and the sence thereof altered as the time altereth g Id. ep 7. pag. 857. so that sometime it is expounded one way and sometime another h Alu. Pelag. de planct Eccles l. 1. art 6. ex Hostieni Neither may any Councell iudge the Pope for that if in any matter the whole world should iudge against him yet his opinion were to be receiued They that attribute all this and a great deale more to their Pope whom alone they make iudge of all in my minde may very ill vpbraid others with assuming authoritie to iudge c. 2 But this we say that it is lawfull and necessary for euery particular man i 1. Thess 5.21 to trie all things and hold that which is good and by the Scriptures to examine and iudge of the things which the Church teacheth him k Luc. 1.4 Col. 2.2 that he may haue the full knowledge and assurance of the things wherein he is taught The which triall because it is made by the Scriptures is no priuate iudgement but the publicke censure of Gods spirit that speaketh openly in the Scripture to all men And when a man in this manner reiecteth the teaching of a Church as great and good as the Romane Catholicke his conceit herein is not priuate as priuate is opposed to spirituall but onely as it is opposed against that which is common among others and so a priuate man may iudge For our Sauiour saith l Ioh. 7.17 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 If any man will do the will of God he shall know of the doctrine whether it be of God or whether I speake of my selfe m Act. 17.11 And the men of Beroea when they receiued the word of Paul and Silas searched the Scriptures daily whether those things were so And yet the teaching of the Apostles was more certaine and infallible then the doctrine of any Church since and their persons more holy and wise then any that haue liued after them 3 Therefore the true manner how the Churches teaching may be examined being thus expounded the proposition of the Iesuites argument is false wherein he saith They which examine whether the particular points which the Church teacheth be true make themselues iudges ouer the Church preferring their priuate conceits before the definitions of the Church c. For they examine and iudge not by their owne priuate humors but by the publicke word of God n Ioh. 12 48. which in the Scripture speaketh openly to all the world though the children of God onely know and beleeue it by reason o Ioh. 12 40. the vnbeleeuers haue their eyes and hearts blinded that they should not vnderstand And thus it is lawfull for all men to iudge the Churches teaching because else they cannot be certaine they liue in the true Church or haue true faith p Col. 2.2 which is ioyned with the full assurance of vnderstanding to know the mystery of God Chrysostome answering the obiection of such as pretended they could not tell what religion to be of there were so many opinions q In Act. hom 33. saith That seeing we take the Scriptures which are so true and plaine it will be an easie matter for you to iudge and tell me hast thou any wit or iudgement for it is not a mans part barely to receiue whatsoeuer he heareth Say not I am a scholler and may be no iudge I can condemne no opinion for this is but a shift c. Basil saith r Ethic. definit 72. pag. 432. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 It behoueth the hearers that are learned in the Scriptures to trie those things which are said by their teachers and receiuing that which agreeth with the Scriptures to reiect the contrary And Gerson one of his owne side Å¿ De exam doctr part 1. conâ—ess 5. writeth The examination and triall of doctrines concerning faith belongeth not onely to the Councell and Pope but also to eueryone that is sufficiently learned in the Scriptures because euery man is a sufficient iudge of that he knoweth 4 And in all this hitherto there is no wrong offered to the Church but onely that put in practise which was neuer misliked till a Church arose whose siluer being drosse and milke poyson might not endure the triall And whereas he saith it is a great absurditie to preferre a priuate mans iudgement be he neuer so witty or strongly conceited of himselfe before the iudgement of Gods Church herein he saith excellent well but will he expound the light and euidence of the Scripture to be nothing else but wit and conceit and will he leaue no roome for the full assurance of vnderstanding in the heart of man or is it absurd for a priuate man to preferre the truth of Gods word before the teaching of all the world I would not
next point containeth neuer a true word For not one of the persons named professed the Roman faith as it is now holdē a Trithem For Thaumaturgus liued in the yeare 240. Anthonie in the yeare 330. and Benet in the yeare 500. All which time the present religiō of the Romane Church was vnborne except a verie few points of small moment brought in by the superstition of a few and controlled by the generall doctrine of the Church as I shall clearely proue in the sections following Bernard liued later by 500. yeares but he knew not the present Romane faith He was indeed a Monke in many things superstitious what maruell liuing aboue a thousand yeares after Christ but he was a Papist in none of the principall points of the religion For he held the sufficiencie of the Scripture without traditions iustification by faith alone that our workes merite not that no man can keepe the Law that a man by the testimony of Gods Spirit within him may be certaine of grace that there is no such freewill as the Popish Schoolemen teach he stood against the pride of the Pope and the opinion touching the conception of the blessed Virgine without originall sinne as I will make good against the Iesuite or anie that will take his part Who if he would deale faithfully and to the point should not say Bernard professed the Romane faith and was a Monke but he should haue shewed that he professed the present Romane faith as the Councell of Trent and the Iesuits haue set it downe at least in the fundamentall points thereof which he can neuer do As for Francis of Assise who liued about the same time neither was he of the present Romane faith because it was not holden then as now it is though I cōfesse the matter be not great what that b Ecquis credat D. Franciscum pediculos semel excussos in seipsum solitum esse immittere Can. loc l. 11. c. 7. Lowsie Saint were 2 And as concerning the miracles whereby this Iesuite saith it pleased God to giue testimony of these mens holinesse I answer that what is reported of Bernard and Francis and Dominicke and others of that ranke are lyes and deuices Which I demōstrate by this that they are found no where but in the Legends and liues of Saints written by the Friers whose authoritie our aduersaries themselues despise as I will shew in the next Digression The things written of Gregorie Benet and Anthonie and some others of that time haue more antiquitie but no more certentie as I will likewise demonstrate in the same Digression though allowing much thereof to be true yet the Romane faith is not iustified thereby because as I said before they were done when yet it was vnhatched and Rome professed another religion 3 And whereas he saith diuerse of these were religious men and founded religious orders which Protestants reiect this is easily answered by telling him againe first that if they were religious men founded orders yet their so doing conuinceth not that they were of the same faith for there might be orders and professions erected in a contrary religion as the Essens for example had their peculiar order of religion and yet were I thinke no Papists who would be loath to be tyed to the rigor which they professed A solitarie nation c Plin. l. 5. c. 17. Solin Polyhist c. 38. saith the storie of them and admirable beyond all others in the world No woman among them nor venerie without money dwelling among the trees it is incredible to speake it the nation is eternall through thousands of ages wherein no man is borne so fruitfull vnto them is other mens repentance of their liues Next it followeth not because they founded orders of Monkes that therefore they were the same which the Church of Rome now retaineth for they may be altered as indeed they are by the confession of our aduersaries themselues Thirdly such as Anthonie and Benet and Eustathius were erecting professions and orders of life without warrant from the word or at least not by commandement thereof it was lawfull for vs to vse our libertie in putting them away againe without incurring the censure layed vpon vs by the Iesuite And yet he might haue remembred that a Cardinall of his owne Church was the first that put downe Abbeyes in England Digression 44. Answering that which the Papists obiect touching the miracles of their Church and the Saints therein 4 We denie not but the gift of miracles was in the Church at the first reuealing of the Gospell and long after verie commonly whose proper end was to reuoke the minds of men to the marking of the doctrine that accompanied them that by marking it which they would not so easily haue done had not the same of the preachers miraculous workes allured thē the efficacie thereof might lay hold vpon them and conuert them which it did Wherby it appeareth that all their strength arose from the doctrine confirmed by them in as much as it distinguished them from delusions and such like wonders as may be done by naturall causes and the conveiance of Sathan and assured the beholders that their concurrence with so pure and holy teaching shewed them to be of God For d Bell. de not eccl c. 14. de grat lib. arb l. 6. c. 1. our aduersaries confesse that No miracle can certainly be knowen to be so afore the Church approue it vnlesse the wil by some meane be inclined to beleeue it Whereby it appeareth concerning the purest miracles that euer were that although as a signe they inuited men to come and see yet the men being come were assured by the efficacie of the doctrine that what they saw was a true miracle and when God withheld this efficacie that it inclined not the mind then e As appeareth in the vnbeleeuing Iewes the men beleeued not but said they were delusions 5 This I say to shew our aduersaries that that they must not be offended if we examine the miracles offred by the doctrine of the Scriptures For if they confirme any other doctrine we may safely reiect them as lying wonders But we haue an other issue with them easier to be tried then this touching the credit and certaintie of their miracles such I meane as they haue to stand vpon For all that they can alledge for themselues are either the miracles of Christ and his Apostles or of the Saints in the Primitiue Church or of their Legends Touching the two first we answer in a word that they do but trifle away the time in talking of them till they haue proued their religion the same that those men taught for the miracles must be adiudged to that side that retains the same doctrine Whence it followeth that the Iesuit hath no portion in the miracles of the Primitiue Church because he is not of that faith the which if he will denie then the triall must be made by the
vniuersall doctrine of God of Angels of all other creatures specially of man of his first framing of his finall end and of all things pertaining to his nature of his fall by sinne of his reparation by grace of lawes prescribed vnto him of vertues which he ought to imbrace of vices which he ought to eschue of Christ our redeemer his incarnation life and passion and his coming to iudgement of the Sacraments and all other points that anie way pertaine to Christian religion The Answer 1 That the Iesuites Romane Church hath continually held the present faith it now professeth is false and confuted a Sect. 35. Digr 22. 23. alreadie And I wonder he might for shame say it For is any so mad as to beleeue his Popes supremacie his Latine seruice his reall presence hath alway bene visible from the beginning when there is not so much as any mention of them in antiquitie All that religion therfore which the Romane Church maintaineth against vs came in by peece-meale through the faction conueyance of certaine persons which in all ages corrupted the truth and increased the corruptions by degrees till at length they obtained the name of the Romane faith 2 Next whereas he saith it is proued Catholicke in place by this that it hath and alway had some in euery coast that communicate in profession with it we must distinguish the times For in the Primitiue Church and long after the Christian world indeed communicated with the faith professed in the Romane Church but then it was not the same it is now and so the present Church of Rome is not iustified by this communion but condemned rather Afterward the nations of the world ioyned in profession with it likewise as it degenerated and grew vp in corruption but marke how One part being the smaller and obscurer liued in the middest thereof and communicated with no more then was the truth excepting some small errors like b 1 Cor. 3.12 hay or stubble builded on the foundation and this is not properly any communion with the Papacie but with the true Church whereto the Papacie in the Church of Rome grew as a scab or as a disease Another part communicated with it in the errors also as they grew and embraced the Papacie c Apo. 17.2.4.15 13.14 18.9 2. Thess 2.11 but this was the seduced world which the whore of Babylon made drunke with the wine of her fornication and deceiued with strong delusions And yet this communion was not so great but that many famous Churches in the world refused it and departed from it as soone as the alteration into the faith it now holdeth began visibly to appeare as the Churches of Greece and Armenia for example which to this day would neuer communicate with it Maginus d Geogr. descr pag. 166. saith The Greekes long since departed from the Church of Rome and appointed themselues Patriarkes whom they acknowledge to be their heads and not onely the Greekes obey them but all the Prouinces also that follow the Greekes religion Circassia Walachia Bulgaria Moscouia Russia the more part of Pole Mingrelia Brosina Albania Illyricum part of Tartarie Seruia Croatia and all the Prouinces lying vpon the Euxin sea Whereby it is plaine that many famous countries and infinite people neuer allowed of the Romane faith but haue kept possession against it to this day though many reâ—eiued it as in times past many communicated with Arius and Mahomet and yet they are not proued Catholicke thereby 3 To the last point concerning the vniuersall doctrine taught in the Romane Church I answer that it is not the holding of certaine heads and articles of religion which maketh a Church Catholicke but the holding them truly according to the Scripture Which truth being remoued the more is holden the worse and lesse Catholick is the Church that holdeth them For as much therefore as the Romane Church by adding and detracting hath corrupted the vniuersall doctrine of Christian religion and especially the points mentioned by the Iesuite and patched thereunto innumerable abuses errors and superstitions to the certaine damnation of all that beleeue them it is not proued Catholicke by teaching all the doctrine of religion but manifestly Antichristian because it teacheth euery point vntruly § 47. Neither doth it at this day denie any one point of doctrine which in former times was vniuersally receiued for verity or the Catholicke Church The which if anie will take vpon him to denie let him shew and proue first what point of doctrine the Catholicke Romane Church doth deny or hold contrarie to that which by the Church hath bene vniuersally held as we can shew the Protestants do The Answer 1 The Iesuit needed not to haue bidden vs shew the points holden in his Church against that which the Church of Christ vniuersally held in former ages for we name and shew euery point of his faith wherein he dissenteth from vs and proue that it came in contrary to the doctrine of the Church through the conueyance of some therein being neuer vniuersally receiued of all but maintained and aduanced by the power and contention of some against the rest which either resisted it or receiued it doubtfully And I VNDERTAKE TO SHEW THIS IN ANIE QVESTION OF HIS RELIGION THAT HE WILL NAME VNTO ME BY PROVING THE SAME TO BE AGAINST THE SCRIPTVRE FIRST AND THEN CONTRARIE TO THE PRIMITIVE CHVRCH AND FINALLY TAVGHT BY THE SHOOL-MEN AND OTHERS IN THE ROMANE CHVRCH IT SELFE OTHERWISE THEN NOW THE IESVITES AND TRENT COVNCELL DELIVER IT This is enough to answer the present chalenge and I haue performed it in euery question handled in this booke and namely Digress 32. to 42. Digression 49. Obiecting eight points for example wherein the Church of Rome holdeth contrary to that which formerly was holden The conception of the virgin Marie Latine seruice Reading the Scriptures Priests mariage Images Supremacie Communion in one kind Transubstantiation 1 First touching the conception of the virgin Marie which all the ancient fathers beleeued to be in original sin and the elder Schoolmen vniuersally as I shewed vpon another occasion out of Dominicus a Part. 1. in Tho. q. 1. art 8. dub 5. Bannes and b De consecr d. 4 Firmissime nu 11. Turrecremata contrarie to c Sixt. 4. c. Cum prae excelsa Graue nimis in Extrau commun Concil Trid. sess 5. § Declarat tameÌ„ haec Galatin Arcan l. 3 pag. 490. the present beliefe of the Church of Rome 2 Next touching Latin seruice which is vsed in the Church of Rome against all antiquitie and the iudgement of many d 1. Cor. 14. The Apostle saith If an instrument of musicke make no distinction in the sound how shall it be knowne what is piped So likewise you except by the language you vtter words that haue signification how shall it be vnderstood what is spoken For you shall speake in the ayre I will pray and sing with the
bungling workmen that were not their crafts masters till the Smith the Carpenter and the painter came euery one in his place and shewed his skill First the Canonists like blacksmiths blew with the bellowes of their Decrees and hammered and heat it in the coles of the Popes Constitutions these smithes were Gratian Pope Iohn Gregory and Boniface with their prentises that serued them Hostiensis Innocent Panormitane and the rest of that profession Next the Carpenters that tooke it in hand were the Friers and Schoolmen which stretched their line ouer it and brought it into better shape Thomas and Scot and Alexander fashioned it with line and leuel they stretched out the line of Method ouer it and with the thred of a Distinction they plained it where it was rough and with the compasses of their Logick and Philosophy made it in the fashion of a man After that the great Lateran Councell about the yeare 1215. had polished it and giuen it strong ioynts to stand vpon not long after the Councels of Constance Basil and another Lateran hewed it ouer again and altered the fashion in certain points touching the Popes authoritie There some Cardinals Senensis and Cusanus thought the head stood too high aboue the shoulders and would haue had it bowed downe a little lower At last they brought it to Trent into the hands of their best workmen as y Absolutissima Trident. Synod Posseuin biblioth select pag. 18. A. they say who mended it from top to toe and set it vp againe when the wormes had welnigh consumed it since which time the third sort of workmen the Painters haue taken it in hand the Iesuits and their fellowes who neuer cease to paint it day and night There is no colour but they haue tried it to make it beautifull Some with varnish and plaister stop vp the crackes which the Sunne shining vpon it hath made that they might not be seene Bellarmine and his associates in that kind stirre all colours together and varnish ouer the smokie and dustie places so skilfully that a man can scarce tell what the colour is Surius and Baronius with other colours ground by Legendaries cast a shadow ouer it for seeming too youthfull but they haue painted a gray beard to a greene head the rest stand by such as are Sixtus Senensis Lindan Staphylus Posseuine like Censors commending the workmanship and flattering the workmen and extolling the idoll against them they call Lutherans and Caluinists Thus at the last haue they polished their Dagon and set it vp before the Lords Arke saue that it may not be forgotten that with some of it they warme themselues and rost their meate as Pardons the Masse and Purgatorie and laugh in their sleeues at such as turne the spit Ah I am warme I haue bin at the fire 6 This is the labor and workmanship that our aduersaries haue bestowed on their religion to set it forth whereby they haue made their Church so seeming Catholicke And indeed we haue alwayes obserued that there be two principall things which draw mens conceits to Papistrie The first is the Name and report that goeth of the Church of Rome while men perswade themselues that a Church so ancient and renowmed in all ages cannot but be the true Church of God The second is the rumour and opinion of our aduersaries learning as if it were vnpossible so learned men should be deceiued and their writings could be answered Neuerthelesse it is easie enough to see the truth through all this if men will consider of things attentiuely For touching the name and shew of the ROMANE CHVRCH it is but an empty sound of words and titles this present Romane being wholly departed in the questions controuerted from the ancient and retaining nothing but the title This should deceiue no man For the true ancient and Apostolicke Church of Rome so much commended by the Fathers and sought to by the world professed another kind of faith then this doth and the same that now we defend against them whereas this is fallen from it and yet skilfully retaining still the same Seate and Title imposeth maruellously vpon the world hereby Isidorus Pelusiota b L. 3. Epist 408. hath a saying that sheweth the likelihood of this In the daies of the Apostles and afterward when the Church florished and laboured as yet of no disease the diuine graces of God went as it were in a ring round about it the holy Ghost administring all things and all the Bishops thereof inciting and turning it towards heauen afterwards it grew diseased and was troubled with faction and then all those things flew away Thus the Church is like a woman fallen from her ancient happinesse and retaining onely some signes thereof She hath the sheathes and caskets where her ornaments lay but the goods themselues she is spoiled of Not through his carelesnesse and negligence that first enriched her but through their naughtinesse that gouerned not things as they should haue done This Doctor well perceiued that a Church may lose the faith and yet retaine her name still and he saw that in his time things fell to decay and the faith of Christ began to be altered To what purpose then should any man respect the name of the Romane Church when the true faith is changed or what do the prerogatiues and royalties of the ancient Church concerne this that is turned to another religion or who regardeth a house of stately building and honorable title or anticke memory since Iohn of Gaunt when the plague hath infected it and theeues possesse it Besides when it was at the best in the Apostles time and after yet other Churches were commended as well and counted as good as it c Meditat. Respons in iute Graecoroman tom 1. p. 449. These are the words of Balsamon The fiue Patriarkes of Rome Alexandria Constantinople Ierusalem and Antioch had identitie of honour d 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and obtained the roome of one head ouer the body that is the holy Churches of God And Nicephorus the Patriarke of Constantinople e Concil Ephesin pag. 307. in an Epistle to Leo the Bishop of Rome saith And we also who haue obtained the name of new Rome being built vpon one and the same foundation of faith the Prophets and Apostles where Christ our Sauiour and God is the corner stone f 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the matter of faith are nothing behinde the elder Romanes For in the Church of God there is nothing to be reckoned before the rest Wherefore let Saint Paul glory and reioyce in vs also and ioyning new things with old and comparing vs in doctrines and preaching let him glory in vs both alike For we as well as they following his doctrines and institutions wherein we are rooted are confirmed in the confession of our faith wherein we stand and reioice c. So that the Greeke Churches in the East thought themselues equall with Rome and the commendations of the
so strange First their custome and long continuance in blindnesse bindeth them in there being nothing harder then to breake an ignorant man of his custome b De Doctrin Christ l. 4. c. 24. Saint Austin coming to Caesarea where the people had an ancient custome once a yeare for certaine daies together to diuide themselues into parts and throw stones one at another whereby many were slaine found it an exceeding hard matter to disswade them from it Then the societie and alliance whereby they are linked one to another restraineth them being ashamed to depart with their acquaintaince and the things which long continuance of friends hath inured them to This is noted by S. Basil in the vulgar of his time seduced by Arius There is c Ep. 70. saith he small hope of reducing them to the truth who are linked to heretickes with the band of long amitie And Saint Austin yeeldeth the same reason why the Donatists could so hardly be reclaimed How many d Ep. 48. ad Vincent saith he being moued with the truth would euen presently haue bene good Catholickes and yet deferred it daily fearing the offence of their friends How many did not the truth but the heauy band of obdurate custome hold together who thought thâ— Church to be with Donatus because their security made them slouthfull and lazie in searching the truth How many were hindred by the rumours and slanders that went of vs How many stucke to Donatus because there they were borne and no man constrained them to depart thence and go to the Catholicke Church Finally they are in the hands of skilfull workemen and wary leaders that know how to entertaine and hold them and with faire words to deceiue the simple whos 's first worke when they seaze vpon a Proselite alway is to teach him foure conclusions before he go any further and I wonder their drift therein is not espied First that the Protestants are heretickes and their Church come vp but lately and therfore he must neuer heare any Protestant or regard what he saith in the matter of religion Next that the Romane Church is the true Church wherein onely saluation is to be found and this Church can erre and teach false in nothing Thirdly that the Scriptures are obscure imperfect troublesome and therefore it is not for simple men to meddle with them or once to hope that they caÌ„ therby come to any certain resolutioÌ„ And then lastly that in all things he must referre himselfe to his mother the Church and his ghostly father to whose cure God hath committed him whose directions if he will follow resolutely he may be carelesse in all the rest When silly creatures haue drunke in these principles which a wise man will examine before he beleeue what maruell is it if they be hardly conuerted and when their teachers haue thus hedged them in and taken away their eyes their eares their vnderstanding it is no wonder if they be easily trained into any thing 17 Who are againe and againe to be admonished that they looke into these things because no lesse then the saluation of their soules lieth vpon it and it is the foolishest thing in world in matters of such consequence to rely on the persons of men or our owne affection For which cause and for whose sakes I have penned this booke to shew the full triall of such motiues as they seeme to stand vpon And whosoeuer will reade it attentiuely shall finde therein a iust and complete answer to the principallest things that are obiected against our Church Yea he shal reape this benefit by reading it that he shall see the very point where diuers questions sticke that are much talked of but little vnderstood by many I haue done it moderately and with all the respect of my aduersary that I could I haue meddled with the persons of no man but onely debated the cause and followed the argument as it led me And I will freely confesse that my aduersaries kinde of writing which I much liked allured me to answer him because as it is schollerlike performed so it bringeth aboord the best questions reasons that are ordinarily discoursed His writing is borrowed wholly froÌ„ Gregory of Valentia his Analysis fidei tract de obiecto fidei who is as acute an aduersarie as any this day disputeth against vs. In my answer I hold this course throughout to lay the argument or question plainly downe and then to answer it directly and perspicuously that the reader may vnderstand what is said And because the iudgement of the ancient Church is much obiected against vs I haue indeuoured to cleare that point also by shewing in euery question as the cause requireth the practise of the Primitiue Church and the opinions of the fathers concer-cerning the points And although in their time they knew not of our questions the Papacy being risen since their dayes whereby they might speake directly as witnesses betweene vs yet teaching the truth of the Gospell which the Papists haue corrupted they shew who be the innouators and to this day strike the Church of Rome as if they liued and saw it wherein we are so well assured that we embrace that kind of triall which is by antiquity most contentedly and daily finde our aduersaries to be galled thereby e Sim. Metaphrast vit Epiphan The Legend telleth that Epiphanius being dead as he lay on the ground and one looking curiously at him gaue him such a blow with his foote that he strooke the winde out of his belly Thus the Fathers dead in their graues yet strike our aduersaries to the ground with their feete that if the Pope were not made interpreter to helpe at a dead lift they could not stand an houre Which is such a iest that no doubt themselues smile at it For if the Fathers rule the questions of faith and the Pope rule the Fathers and the Church of Rome the Pope this wil be like f Plutarck the merry conceite of a little boy in Athens the sonne of Themistocles that plâ—ying among his companions would tel them he could rule all Athens For saith he my father can rule Athens and my mother can rule my father and I can rule my mother 18. Againe in all the questions handled I haue confirmed our owne doctrine and expositions and confuted our aduersaries by the authoritie and testimonies of the Papists themselues which course I dare vndertake may be maintained in all the questions betweene vs and I haue obserued it principally to make it appeare that the Romish faith came in by the faction of some particular persons and was alway resisted as it grew and contradicted by learned men and that our aduersaries mouths may be stopped when they shall see some learned man or other in their owne Church to hold the same things that we do g Refert sed ipsa nosse quae messemnecant Zizaniorum se mina Prud. apotheos The Church of God hath alway
Containing a discourse of Saint Austins about mens errors against the Scriptures 10. 15. Shewing that priuate and particular companies may sometime be assured of the truth against a pretended Catholick company 12. 16. Shewing how the Papists pretending at euery word the Catholick Church yet meane nothing thereby but the Popes determination 13. 17. Wherein it is shewed is what maner the Church is said to be inuisible and that the Papists say no lesse concerning this matter then we do 17. 18. Prouing the true faith or doctrine contained in the Scripture to be a good marke to know the Church by 24. 19. Touching the place of Saint Austin contra Epist Fundam cap. 5. and the matter which the Papists gather from it 28. 20. Concerning the proceeding of the Trent Councell in determining the matters of faith 31. 21. Shewing that Gods true Church in all ages hath now and then bin troubled with contentions as great as are now among vs. 33. 22. Obiecting the behauiour of Papists toward the diuine Scriptures thereby to shew their varying frō that which in former times the primitiue Church of Rome beleeued 35. 23. Wherein by fiue examples it is shewed that the moderne Church of Rome is varied in points of faith from that which it beleeued formerly and since the time also that it began to be the seate of Antichrist 35. 24. Touching the contentions among the learned Papists of the Church of Rome and how the Papists liue not in that vnitie that is pretended 35. 25. Whererein it is shewed that in the Primitiue Church the Popes determination was not thought an infallible truth neither did the Christians for the maintenance of vnitie submit themselues thereunto 36. 26. Shewing that the Papists themselues do not so constantly and vniformly submit themselues to the Popes iudgement nor beleeue his infallible authoritie as is pretended 36. 27. Shewing that the Primitiue Church acknowledged not the Popes supremacy 36. 28. Shewing that the Pope is not of infallible iudgement but may erre and fall into heresie as any other man may 36. 29. Declaring the Pope not to be Saint Peters successor 36. 30. Wherein it is shewed that the Papists are not agreed among themselues to this day how Peters supposed primacie is proued or what it containeth but they are altogether vncertaine in expounding the maine texts of Scripture whereupon they build it 36. 31. Containing many complaints made by the Papists themselues against their owne Church and people whereby it appeareth their liues are worse then can be said of the Protestants 38. 32. Touching fasting and how we differ from the Papists therein and whether the doctrine of our Church be against it as the Papists charge vs. 40. 33. Concerning Auricular confession or Shrift to a Priest shewing the needlesnesse thereof and how it is an occasion rather then a remedy of sin 40. 34. Concerning the necessitie or requisite condition of good works for our saluation shewing that the Protestants hold it 40. 35. Touching the merit of our works and what is to be holden thereof 40. 36. Answering those that accuse the Protestants for holding that no man can keepe Gods commaundements and shewing what is to be holden concerning that matter 40. 37. Whether the Protestants thinke whatsoeuer we do is sinne 40. 38. Against the distinction of sinne into Mortall and Veniall 40. 39. Touching the satisfaction that men are bound vnto for their sinnes 40. 40. Wherein the doctrine of Iustification by faith onely is expounded and defended 40. 41 Intreating of Predestination and Freewill as the Protestants hold them and shewing that their doctrine concerning these points doth neither make God the author of sinne nor leade men to be carelesse of there liues nor inferre any absolute necessity constraining vs that we cannot do otherwise then we do 40. 42. Againe touching Freewill wherein the doctrine of our Church is methodically propounded and in euery point compared with that which the Papists hold that the seuerall questions betweene them and vs and the maner how and where they rise may be seene distinctly set downe 40. 43. Prouing that Gods children without miracles or extraordinary reuelation may be and are infallibly assured that they haue grace and shall be saued 41. 44. Answering that which the Papists obiect touching the miracles of their Church and Saints therein 42. 45. Touching Monkes and religious orders holden among the Papists which they say we haue reiected and forsaken 42. 46. Naming certaine points of the Papists faith which directly tend to the maintenance of open sinne and liberty of life 43. 47. Of the authoritie of the ancient Fathers in matters of our faith and religion wherein it is shewed what we ascribe vnto them and how farforth we depend vpon them and the practise of our aduersaries in contemning cluding and refusing both them and their owne writers is plainely discouered 44. 48 Containing a briefe and direct answer to our aduersaries when they say we cannot assigne a visible company professing the same faith in euery point that we do euer since Christ till now without intterruption 45. 49. Obiecting eight points for example wherein the Church of Rome holdeth contrary to that which formerly was holden The conception of the virgine Mary Latin Seruice Reading the Scriptures Priests mariage Images Supremacy Communion in one kind Transubstantion 47. 50. Of the conuersion of the Indies to the Romane faith by the Iesuites 49. 51. Naming seuen points of the Popish religion with the time when and maner how they gate into the Church thereby to shew that there is sufficient record to detect the nouelty of the present Romane faith 50. 52. Shewing that the present religion of the Romane Church was obserued and resisted in all ages as it came in and increased naming withall the persons that made the resistance and the points wherein and the time when from fiftie yeares to fiftie throughout all ages since Christ compendiously obserued out of history for the satisfying of their error that so much conceit the antiquitie of Papistry and thinke it was neuer controlled til Luthers time 50. 53. Obiecting seuen things against the outward succession of Popes in the Sea of Rome Whereby the same is clearely demonstrated to haue bene interrupted and not to be any certaine or infallible succession 55. 54. Containing a briefe narration touching the life and death of Martin Luther with the incredible reports therof made by his aduersaries shewing how sundry Popes in the Church of Rome haue liued and died worse then he though it were granted all reports made of him were true 57 55. Shewing how vncertaine and contrary the Papists are among themselues touching the power of their Priesthood in remitting sins and concerning the first institution of Shrift where it began De Iudice fidei admonitio Catholica ad Lectorem PVrus ab impuro num differt sanguine sanguis Differt iudicium laudo Galene tuum Ritibus in sacris secernitur hoedus ab agno Vox tua
secreti regula Pastor erit Roma suis magna suis Brittannia normam Pandit in incertum ne rapiare caue Consilium Medici Pastoris consule vocem Iudicium certum PAGINA SACRA dabit Le. Asshaw ar A BRIEFE DISCOVRSE CONCERNING FAITH BY WHICH IS euidently declared how euery one that hath a desire to please God and a care to saue his soule the which should be the chiefe desire and care of euery Christian man ought to resolue and settle himselfe in all points questions and controuersies of faith The Answer IF the Discourse had performed what the Title promiseth you had bene beholding to the man that bestowed it on you the rather because the coÌ„trouersies of the present time haue changed the sweet Spring of our Church into a stormy Winter But seeing the author thereof vnder colour of directing you in the controuersies goeth about to make another Eue of you by seducing your minde from the simplicitie that is in Christ you haue little cause to thanke him and a Deut. 27.18 he lesse to reioyce in his labour For his reasons whereby he thinketh to declare his matter so euidently all tend to perswade you that the Pope of Rome b Gregorius decimus tertius filiorum ecclesiae pater amantissimus Camp rat 5. apud Posseu bibl l. 7. c. 21. his fast frieÌ„d c Nomine Ecclesiae intelligimus eius caput id est Romanum PontificeÌ„ Gregor de Valent. in Thom. tom 3. pag. 24. Venet. is this verie Rule that must resolue you in these points questions and controuersies of faith An vnreasonable position voyd of all indifferencie when common sense teacheth that he which is a partie cannot be iudge and d Niceph. Gregor hist lib 10. cap. vlt. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that which it selfe is a thing wauering and inconstant cannot be the Rule to discerne the right by What father e Luc. 11.11 saith Christ if his sonne aske him bread will giue him a stone or if he aske a fish will giue him a serpent yet thus the Iesuite hath dealt with you But f Epicharm the heathen mans counsell is good Be sober and suspicious and g 1. Thes 5.21 the Apostles better Trie all things and sticke to that which is good Neither must you hope to learne truth in the schoole of lies for they that seeke Christ among heretickes shall lose him § 1. First it is to be suppoâ—ed and set downe for a certaine ground that there is but one faith which whosoeuer wanteth cannot possibly please God nor consequently be saued since none are saued which do not please God This is proued out of S. Paule who in one place saith Vna fides Ethes 4 and in another Sine fide impossibile est placere Deo Heb 11. The which two places make this sence in English Faith is but one and without faith it is impossible to please God Secondly this one faith without which we cannot please God must be infallible and most certaine because faith is the credite and inward assent of mind which we giue to the word of God the prime and first veritie which neither can deceiue nor be deceiued Fides saith the same S. Paule Rom. 10 ex auditu auditus per verbum Dei The sence of which words be that faith is bred in vs by hearing and yeelding assent to the word of Christ who is of God The Answer 1 Both these conclusions be true and you shall graunt them to be as himselfe calleth them certaine grounds wherein we all agree that there is but one faith wherein we can be saued and this faith must be infallible or certaine that is free from error and such as cannot deceiue vs beleeuing nothing that false is And this later is well proued Because faith is the assent of the mind that we giue to the word of God which word being the first truth neither can deceiue vs nor be deceiued it selfe This confirmation I say will serue meaning by the word of God the holy Scriptures for h Cyrill Hiero. fol. cat 4. the securitie of our faith ariseth from the demonstration of the diuine Scriptures i 1. Cor. 4.6 that no man presume aboue that which is written 2 But if by the word of God which cannot deceiue nor be deceiued he meane also the Constitutions of his Church and the Popes Decrees which they call Traditions then his confirmation is naught and we reiect it because the words thereof will be resolued into this sence That our faith or religion to this end that it may be infallible must be grounded partly on Traditions and partly on the Scriptures and the certaintie thereof dependeth no lesse on the former then on the later a point which no wise man will graunt considering that such Traditions are so farre from securing our faith that directly they leade it into a verie sea of errors and vncertainties and being once admitted euery Friers dreame and base custome of the Romish Church shall be thrust vpon you for an article of religion necessarie to eternall life And I dare vndertake the Iesuit in this place by the word of God of Christ meaneth these verie Traditions so farre that put him to it and before he wil forgo them or hazard the least of his Papall Decrees you shall see him k Vide as quaÌ„ti ponderis sit ipsa traditio vt ex ipsa noui testamenti scripta omnia authoritatem acceperint quam qui non admiâ—tunt ab ipsis etiam canonicis scriptis excidat necesse est Traditio est scripturarum fundamentum In eo scripturas excellunt quod illae nisi traditione firmentur non subsistant hae vero etiam sine scriptis suaÌ„ obtineant firmitatem Caes Baron annal tom 1. an 53. nu 11. verie strangely speake of the Scriptures as the l Demades Eras apop man of Athens that thought his countreymen should not by striuing for heauen in the meane time venter to lose the earth Digression 1. Prouing that the Papists grounding the doctrine of faith on Traditions make them equall to the written word 3 For the Trent Councell m Sess 4. decret 1. decreed they should be receiued with the same reuerence and affection wherewith we receiue the Scripture it selfe Canus n Loc. l. 3. c. 3. saith Many things belong to Christian faith which are contained in the Scripture neither openly nor obscurely o Confess Petric c. 92. Hosius saith the greatest part of the Gospell is come to vs by tradition very little of it is committed to writing p De Purgat cap. 11. Peltanus that many verities lye hidden in the Church which if she would reueale we were bound to beleeue with the same faith wherwith we beleeue the things reuealed in the Scriptures q Vaux Canisius English catech c. 1. The Popish Catechismes teach that Faith is a certaine light wherwith whosoeuer is enlightened he firmely agreeth to all such things as
God hath set forth by his Church to be learnâ—d of vs whether they be written or not written Doctor Standish in r Cap. 6. probat 3. his booke against English Bibles crieth out Take from them the English damnable translations and let them learne the mysteries of God reuerently by heart and learne to giue as much credit to that which is not expressed as to that which is expressed in the Scripture Å¿ D. 40. Si Papa in Annot. margin The Canon law newly set out by Pope Gregorie the thirteenth saith that Men do with such reuerence respect the Apostolicall seate of Rome that they rather desire to know the ancient institution of Christian religion from the Popes mouth then from the holy Scripture and they onely inquire what is his pleasure and according to it they order their life and conuersation So that you see howsoeuer the Iesuite say our faith cannot apprehend a falshood because it assenteth onely to the word of God yet by the word of God he meaneth Romish Traditions as well as the Scripture and so maketh those things of equall truth with it and then beareth you in hand that the certaintie of your faith and religion dependeth on their infallibility as much as on the infallibilitie of the Scripture a point which I would easily graunt him if the question were of the Romish faith for I confesse it dependeth vpon Traditions more then on the written word so farre forth that as t Andrad Orthodox explicat lib. 2. quam traditionum authoritatem si tollas nutare iam vacillare videbuntur pag 80. a Doctor of his owne side speaketh Many points therof would reele and totter if they were not supported with the helpe of Traditions But against this let the iudgement of u Regul contract 95. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pag. 502. Basil be noted by the way It is necessary and consonant to reason that euery man learne that which is needfull out of the Scriptures both for the fulnesse of godlinesse and lest they inure themselues to humane Traditions § 2. Thirdly the one and infallible faith without which we cannot please God must be also entire whole and sound in all points and it is not sufficient to saluation to beleeue stedfastly some points and not other some So saith Athanasius his Creed receiued of all Quicunque vult saluus esse c. Whosoeuer will be saued before all things it is needful that he hold the catholike faith which vnlesse euery one keepe entire and inuiolate without doubt he shall perish euerlastingly Againe to beleeue some points of faith and to denie others is heresie as not to beleeue anie point of faith at all is absolute infidelitie But it is certain euen out of Scripture that neither infidell nor heretick shall be saued For our Sauiour hath absolutely pronounced Qui non crediderit condemnabitur Marc. 16. And the Apostle S. Paule Gal. 5. putteth heresies among the workes of the flesh saying Manifesta sunt opera carnis quae sunt fornicatio fictae 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is in English heresies of all which he saith Qui talia agunt regnum Dei non consequentur Moreouer the reason why anie one point of faith is vnder paine of damnation to be beleeued by Christian diuine and infallible faith is because God almightie hath reuealed it and by his Church hath proposed it vnto vs and commanded it to be beleeued for otherwise they be not points of faith but of opinion or of some other kinde of knowledge Therefore all points of faith are vnder paine of damnation to be beleeued The Answer 1 This third conclusion toucheth a second propertie required in sauing faith and it must be granted him with the confirmation thereof in a true sence namely that we are bound to beleeue the points of saluation by obtaining a particular distinct knowledge of the same in our selues and so assenting to them that our faith may include an apprehension also and knowledge of the things beleeued as well as an assent to the proposition thereof If this be the Iesuites meaning in this place then I embrace it as the truth 2 But peraduenture his mind runs vpon a further matter which his Church teacheth about infolded faith and then you may note the grosse heresie that he thrusts vpon you in his smooth words For x Implicita fâ—des est credere secuÌ„dùm quod ecclesia credit Vnde noÌ„ omnis Christianus teneturillos articulos fidei scire explicitè sed tantùm clerici Iacob de Graf decis lib. 2. ca. 8. nu 16. the Iesuites and Schoolemen teach how the lay-people are not bound to know what the matters of their faith be y Fides meliùs per ignorantiaÌ„ quà m per notitiam definitur Bellar. de iust l. 1. c. 7. ignorance is better it sufficeth if they consent to the Churches faith whatsoeuer it be assuring themselues it beleeueth and knoweth all things necessary but what those things are they need not enquire thus excluding knowledge from the nature of religion and placing it in assent onely as sufficient to make it whole and entire This being a sottish conceit deuised for the nonce to suppresse knowledge yet marke how boldly these men presse it on vs with the style of an entire faith which I manifest further in the Digression following Digression 2. Shewing the infolded faith of the Papists and confuting the same as not entire 3 For howsoeuer the Church of Rome pretend this whole complete faith yet when the matter cometh to scanning she vtterly refuseth knowledge sendeth her children to schoole to the Collier of him to learne to beleeue as the Church beleeueth For first whereas z Mat. 22.29 Chrys ho 3. in Laz. prol hom in Rom. the ignorance of the Scriptures is the roote of all error and the cause of vnbeleefe a Index lib. prohib Reg. 4. the Church of Rome forbiddeth the reading of them among the people b Franc. Ouan Mogol breuilo in 4. sent D. 13. prop. 3. pretending the vulgar translations to be one principal cause of heresies and therefore c Linwood in constitut prouinc l. 5. titul de magistris cap. Quia when the law was in their owne hand they vtterly forbad them d Mart. Peres de trad pag. 44. One of them saith he thinketh verily it was the diuels inuention to permit the people to reade the Bible e Thyâ—rae de Demoniac cap. 21. th 257. Another writeth that he knew certaine men to be possessed of a diuell because being but husbandmen they were able to discourse of the Scriptures Thus theeues put out the candle that discouers them 4 Next f Nauarr. Manual cap. 11. nu 16. Iacob de Graff decis l. 4. cap. 24 nu 23. they make it heresie for a lay man to dispute in a point of faith and g Magin Geograph pag. 104. Linwood lib. 5. tit de Magist c. periculosa suffer no
Romish multitude and though their persons were not the rule yet when they followed that which is the rule we beleeued them § 13. The fourth and last conclusion of this question is that this infallible rule which we ought obediently to follow in all points of faith is the doctrine and teaching faith and beliefe of the true Church This I proue Because to this agree all the conditions which I said to be requisite in the rule of faith First this is a thing infallible as shal be proued Secondly it is a thing easie to be knowne Thirdly it is such a thing as may vniuersally resolue and determine vs in all questions and doubts and instruct all sorts of men in all points of faith And consequently whosoeuer will obediently yeeld assent to this rule in all points as we all professe in our Creed saying Credo Ecclesiam catholicam shall not erre in anie point That these three conditions of the rule of faith agree to the doctrine and teaching of the vniuersall or catholike Church I proue The Answer 1 We would not stand with the Iesuite about this conclusion but freely grant it if no more were meant thereby then the words make shew of that the doctrine and faith of the vniuersall Church is the rule of faith For that doctrine is onely the contents of the Scripture which we yeeld to be the rule For a In 1. Ep. Ioh. tract 3. Austin saith Our mother the Church giueth her children milk out of her two brests the old and new Testament But he hath a further reach and meaneth a higher matter First that the Churches word and authoritie is the rule without referring the same to the Scripture Secondly that the Church of Rome is this true and vniuersall Church Thirdly that all the authoritie and efficacy therof is in the Pope alone This is the plaine English of the conclusion howsoeuer the words be faire and cleanely and the Iesuite defending it must shew all the properties of the rule to appertaine to the present Church and Pope of Rome or else he doth but trifle and spend time Digression 16. Shewing how the Papists pretending at euerie word the Catholicke Church meane nothing thereby but the Popes determination 2 First howsoeuer these words be tollerable the doctrine teaching faith and beliefe of the true Church is the infallible rule in all points to be followed yet the Popish meaning is absurd that whatsoeuer the Church teacheth though it be not contained in the Bible must be accepted as matter of faith and that vpon her owne authoritie Yet thus they hold as I haue b Digress 1. c. 6.9 shewed and may further be perceiued by the Iesuites words in this section Whosoeuer will yeeld assent to the Church in all points as we professe in our Creed saying I beleeue the Catholicke Church shall not erre in any point Which words of the Creed meaning no more but c Ruffin expos Symbo that we beleeue there is one holy Catholicke Church whereof our selues are members he expoundeth of yeelding assent in all points to it which exposition may be further vnderstood by that which d Staplet def eccles potest adu Whitak l. 1. cap 9. Rhem. annot 1. Tim. 3.15 Bristo dem 44. other Papists say more fully I beleeue the Catholicke Church the literall sence whereof is that thou beleeuest whatsoeuer the Catholicke Church holdeth and teacheth are to be beleeued Which exposition is a glosse beside the text And yet this is tollerable in comparison of the next 3 For hauing deuolued all power ouer to the Church in the next place they define this Church to be the Romane company For e Mot. 12. in marg Bristo saith The Romane Church is the Catholicke Church and f Annot. Rom. 1 8. idem B. roÌ„ Annal. tom 1. an 58. nu 49. See Posseu bibl select lib. 4. c. 13. â— Interdum quoqueâ—aud sâ—â—iâ— the Rhemists The Catholicke and Romane faith is all one Wherein their meaning is to win authoritie to the Romish faction perswading men there is no saluation but in that religion and making roome for themselues in all those places of Scripture which commend vnto vs the Catholicke Church of Christ Which is a iest so grosse that it deserueth to be smiled at rather then confuted And yet it stayeth not here neither but goeth a degree further which me thinketh is a note aboue éla 4 For as they take all authoritie and sufficiency from the Scripture and giue it the Church so all the Churches authoritie they giue to the Pope So saith Gregory of Valence g Dispuâ— theo tom 3 â—isp 1. â—u 1. punct 1. p. 24. Item Cater 22 q. 1. art 9. 10. Dom. Ban ibid. apud D. Tho nam Pro eodem omnino reputatur authoritas Ecclesiae vniuersalis authoritas concilij authoritas sum mi pontificis By the Church we meane her head that is to say the Romane Bishop h Analys fidei pag. 136. In whom resideth that full authoritie of the Church when he pleaseth to determine matters of faith whether he do it with a Councell or without Thomas saith i 22. q 1. art 10. The making of a new Creed belongeth to the Pope as all other things do which belong to the whole Church k 22. qu 1 â— art 2.3 Yea the whole authoritie of the vniuersall Church abideth in him l Defens fid Triâ—ent lib. 2. Andradius saith All power to interpret the Scripture and reueale the hidden mysteries of our religioÌ„ is giuen from heauen to the Popes and their Councels Yea m Decis aur cas part 2 l. 2. c 7 nu 40 saith Graffius The common opinion is he may do it without them And so n De Christ l. 2 c. 28. saith Bellarmine Himselfe without any Councell may decree matters of faith And o Sum Syluest verbo fides nu 2. Syluester The power of the Catholicke Church remaineth all in him And p De Planctu Eccl. lib. 1. artic 6. Aluarus Pelagius We are bound to stand to his iudgement alone rather then to the iudgement of all the world beside And the canon Law saith q In Sext. extt. Ioh. 22 tit 14 c. cum inter in gloss It were heresie to thinke our Lord God the Pope might not decree as he doth r Dist 19. in Canonicis glos ibid. Yea his rescripts and decretall Epistles are canonicall Scripture Stapleton Å¿ Praefat. Princip fidei doctrinal saith The foundation of our religion is of necessitie placed vpon the authoritie of this mans teaching in which we heare God himselfe speaking And finally the Iesuite himselfe t §. hereafter saith All Catholicke men must necessarily submit their iudgement and opinions either in expounding the Scripture or otherwise to the censure of the Apostolicke seate and God hath bound his Church to heare the chiefe Pastor in all points By all which we see what is
meant by those importunate bragges of the Catholicke Church and why the Papists rely so much vpon it x Audito Ecclesiae nominâ— hostis expalluit Campian tat 3. apud Posseu bibl select lib. 7. c. 19. they make their vaunts that the very name of the Church appalleth vs and good reason if the Pope be it Gods enemie and ours But in the meane time themselues might blush thus to tell the ignorant a tale of the Church and will the foolish Protestants be wiser then the Catholicke Church y Nomen callide retinuit tem ipsam funditus desiniâ—ndo fustulit Camp vbi supra and yet this Church when things come to the reckoning is nothing else but the Pope § 14. And first that the doctrine of the vniuersall Church in all points is infallible thus I reason If our Sauiour Christ haue promised to any company of men the assistance of himselfe and of his holy Spirit for this speciall purpose to teach and instruct them in euery truth giuing withall peculiar commission to them to teach all nations and warrant and commandement to all to heare them and to do in all things according to their saying and further threatning that he that will not heare them and do in all things according to their saying should be accounted as an Ethnicke and Publican then certainly the doctrine and the teaching of this companie of men is in all points infallible and most true For looke what he promiseth must needs be performed and whatsoeuer he warranteth or commandeth to be done may safely and without danger of error be done nay must of necessitie be done especially when he threateneth those that will not do it and consequently if he promise to send his holy Spirit to teach anie companie of men all truth it is not to be doubted but that he sendeth this his Spirit and by him teacheth them all truth And since the teaching of this Spirit is infallible we haue not to doubt but that this companie to which this promise should be made should in all points be infallibly taught the truth If also the same our Sauior gaue warrant and commandement that we should heare and do in all points according to the saying of this companie of men being thus infallibly taught and hauing commission to teach we may not likewise doubt but that they shall infallibly teach vs the truth in all points For otherwise by this his commandement we should sometimes be bound to heare and beleeue that which were not true and to do that which were not right and good which without blasphemie to Christs veritie and goodnesse can no way be taught But so it is that Christ our Sauiour hath in holy Scripture promised giuen commission warranted commanded and threatened in maner aforesaid therefore we haue not to doubt but that a certaine companie of men there be to wit that companie which is called the true catholike Church which both is in all points taught infallibly by the holy Spirit and is in like maner to teach vs all truth The promise we haue Mat. vltim Ego vobiscum sum omnibus diebus vsque ad consummationem seculi I am with you all the dayes vnto the end of the world In which words is promised the continuall presence of Christ himselfe the maister of truth with his holy Church not for a while then nor for a while now but all the dayes vnto the end of the world Also we haue another promise Ioh. 14. Ego rogabo Patrem meum alium paracletum dabit vobis Spiritum veritatis vt maneat vobiscum in aeternum I will aske my Father and he will giue you another paraclete that he may remaine with you not onely for sixe hundred yeares but for euer And to shew vs for what purpose he would haue his holy Spirit to remaine with vs for euer he saith againe Cum autem venerit ille Spiritus veritatis docebit vos omnem veritatem Iob. 16. And when the Spirit of truth shall come he shall teach you all truth The commission we haue Mat. vltim Euntes docete omnes gentes The warrant also we haue Luc. 10. Qui vos audit me audit By which words appeareth plainely that our Sauiour Christ would haue vs to heare and giue credit to his Church no lesse then to himselfe The commandement we haue Mat. 23. Super cathedram Mosis sedent Scribae Pharisaei omnia ergo quaecunque dixerint vobis seruate facite Out of which words we may gather that we are commanded in all points to do according to the doctrine of the Prelates of the catholike Church though it should happen that their liues should not be coÌ„mendable or good For though in this place our Sauiour do onely speake of the chaire of Moses in which the priests of the old law did sit yet it must be vnderstood à fortiori of the chaire of S. Peter in which the Priests of the new law do succeed So did the ancient Fathers vnderstand and especially S Austin Epist 165. who saith thus In illum ordinem Episcoporum qui ducitur ab ipso Petro ad Anastasium qui nunc in eadem cathedra sedet etiamsi quisquam traditor per illa tempora subrepsisset nihil praeiudicaret Ecclesiae innocentibus Christianis quibus Dominus prouidens ait de praepositis malis quae dicunt facite quae faciunt facere nolite Into the order of Bishops which is deriued from S. Peter himself vnto Anastasius who now sitteth vpon the same chaire although some traitor had crept in for the time he should nothing hurt or preiudice the Church of the innocent Christians vnto whom our Lord prouiding saith of euill Prelates what they say do what they do do not The threats we may gather out of Luc. 10. where our Sauiour saith Qui vos spernit me spernit He that despiseth you despiseth me signifying what sinne it were not to heare but to despise the preaching of our Sauiour Christ himselfe that we should account it the same sinne to despise and not to giue heed and credite to his catholike Church insinuating thereby a threat of like punishment for the said contempt Also Mat. 18. the same our Sauiour saith Si Ecclesiam non audierit sit tibi sicut Ethnicus Publicanus Thus you see our Sauiour Christ hath promised vnto his Church the continuall assistance of himselfe and of his holy Spirit to teach vs all truth Moreouer that he hath giuen commission to it to teach vs yea and hath warranted and commanded vs in all points to heare and to do according to the saying of his Church and hath threatened greatly those that will not heare the Church which proueth that it pertaineth to this Church to instruct vs in all points of faith that we ought to learne of it in all matters of religion the infallible truth The Answer 1 The drift of all this section is to proue that the doctrine of the vniuersal Church in
all things is infallible which if it were granted yet were it too short to proue that therefore this Church were the rule of faith For euery infallible thing whose teaching is most true is not yet in the ordinance of God set apart to instruct vs. As the Angels of heauen for example are not the rule of our faith though a Fr. Suarez in Tho. to 1. disp 42. sect 1. they haue all the graces and glorie that a creature can haue and consequently the grace of infallibilitie Let this be noted in the first place 2 But yet the doctrine and teaching of the Church is not in all points infallible and most true neither meaning this doctrine not of the Scriptures but of the Churches ministery in propounding and following the same for in her ministery and manners she may and doth erre as shall appeare in my answer to the Iesuites reasons throughout this section But first the question must be made plaine For to say as he doth here and euery where in this question that the teaching of the vniuersall Catholick Church is infallible not subiect to error is an improper speech not incideÌ„t to the question because that Church comprehendeth all the triumphant Church in heauen which neither can be vsed neither do we charge it with error but confesse it to be b Ephes 5.27 glorious not hauing spot or wrinkle or any such thing All the question is of that part of the Catholick Church which dwelleth here on earth professing the name of Christ and liuing in warfare against the world and Satan called the Church militant Which so distinguished we hold to be subiect to error both in manners and doctrine And the Iesuite of necessitie by the vniuersall Church must vnderstand onely this part thereof because this part onely is apt to teach vs and hath ministerie in her hands or else he disputeth confusedly not distinguishing the termes of the question 3 This being noted now I come to the discourse which may all be concluded in this syllogisme that we may the better iudge of it That 1. vnto which Christ hath promised his owne presence and the presence of his spirit for euer to the worlds end 2. which hath commission from God to teach all nations 3. which all men are commaunded to heare in all things 4. they that heare it are warranted as if they heard Christ himselfe 5. they that heare it not are threatned as if they despised Christ himselfe that is free from error and the doctrine thereof in all things is infallible But such is the Church that concerning it Christ hath 1. promised 2. giuen commission 3. commanded 4. warranted and 5. threatned as is aforesaid Therefore the Church is free from error and the doctrine thereof in all things is infallible This is the summe of all this section whereto I answer by denying both propositions and the reason is for that they consist of Scripture falsly expounded and applyed and this my answer I set downe more particularly in that which followeth wherein I will examine euery text as it is alledged and make it plain that neuer a one of them proueth the conclusion 4 The first place is Mat. 28.20 Lo I am with you alway to the worlds end But I answer 1. this was a personall promise made onely to the Apostles and so cannot be extended to all the Church if we will speake of the words properly according to their immediate sence 2. To whomsoeuer it belongeth the meaning is c Iansen concord Eâ—ang cap. 149. that howsoeuer his bodily presence ceassed yet his prouidence should neuer faile to preserue comfort them in all their troubles and helpe them in all their actions and by degrees so enlighten them also that they should not perish in their ignorance but be led forward to more perfection This must needes be granted to be all that is meant First because Christ is not absent from his people euery time they fall into an error but remaineth with them still for all that either forgiuing it or reforming it Secondly this promise notwithstanding yet afterward d Gal 2.11 vide August de Baptism cont Donat. l. 2. c. 1. de agon Christian c. 30. Thom. in ep ad Gal. c. 3. lect 3. Peter one to whom the promise was made erred against the truth of the Gospell and was therefore by Paul rebuked and resisted to his face which thing could not haue fallen out if this promise had exempted the Church from all error Thirdly if it priuiledge the whole Church from error because it is made to it then consequently it priuiledgeth the particular Churches Pastors and beleeuers therein because it is made to them likewise but experience sheweth these latter may erre and therefore the meaning must needs be as I haue said Fourthly e See §. it is a ruled case among the Papists that the Pope may erre which could not be if these words of Christ meant the Church of Rome and that infallible iudgment which the Iesuite talketh of As for his glosse vpon the words that Christ in them should promise his continuall presence not for a while then nor for a while now but for euer it is altogether either idle and inept For he can name no Protestant that euer thought Christ was at any time absent but we all constantly beleeue he alway was is and shall be with his Church to the end 5 The second and third places are much like the first Iohn 14.16 I will pray the Father saith Christ and he shall giue you another comforter that he may abide with you for euer And Iohn 16.13 When he is come which is the Spirit of truth he will leade you into all truth But I answer two things First these words are properly extended to the Apostles promising f Act. 2.4 that which was performed immediatly after Christs ascention and ought not to be stretched any further Which being so they conclude somewhat for them but little for the Church because euerie grace belongeth not to the Church in all ages that was giuen the Apostles Secondly applying them to the Church also the meaning is that the holy Ghost should neuer forsake it but perseuere in teaching it all truh which is simply necessary to saue it according as the Church is able to learne it which he doth by meanes of the Scripture though not at all times alike perfectly but so as he endueth it with all holines and yet many sins are found in it This interpretation must needs be allowed for three causes first the Apostle saith of himselfe and the Church g 1. Cor. 13.9 Now we know but in part and prophesie in part Which were not true if these words of Christ had secured the Church in all things and in euery truth for the part cometh short of the whole Secondly this promise belongeth as well to one Apostle as another yea h 1. Ioh 2.20 to all the faithfull as wel as to the
it is from the world but we meane three other things First although it abide alwayes vpon the earth holding the whole faith without change and containing a certain number that constantly professe it yet this number may be very small and their profession so secret among themselues that the world and such as loue not the truth shall not see them they remaining so hidden as if they were not at all This point concerning the smalnes of the number is confessed by i Alexan. part 3. qu. vlt. nu 5. art 2. Dur. ration l. 6. c. 72. nu 25. Panorm de elect electi potest c. significasti Tur recrem de CoÌ„secr d. 2. semel Christus nu 4. theÌ„ that hold that about the time of Christs passion the true faith remained in none but onely the virgin Mary and by k Refert Fr. Suarez tom 2. difâ— 54. sect 6. pag. 649. such Catholicke writers as say that in the times of Antichrist the true faith shall perish throughout the whole world And the secretnesse of their profession is acknowledged by Pererius the Iesuite who l In Daniel pag. 714. writeth that in the time of Antichrist there shall be no sacrament in publick places neither shall any publicke honour be giuen it but priuately and priuily shall it be kept and honored And Ouandus the Frier m Breuiloqu in 4. Sent d. 18. prop. 3. p. 602. who thinketh the Masse at that time shal be celebrated but in very few places so that it shall seeme to be ceassed Secondly all the externall gouernement thereof may come to decay in that the locall and personall succession of the Pastors may be interrupted the discipline hindered the preachers scattered and all the outward exercise of gouernment and religion suspended whereby it shall come to passe that in all the world you cannot see any one particular Church publickly professing the true faith whereto you may safely ioyne your selfe by reason persecution and heresies shall haue ouerflowed all Churches as n Gen. 7.18 Noes floud did the world or obscured their light as the Sun is eclipsed or corrupted the sinceritie of religion as a leprosie or scab sometime groweth ouer the whole body of man and hideth euery member till by little and little it fall off againe Thus in effect say the Papists Acosta o De Temp. Nouiss l. 2. c. 15. saith All the light and reputation of Ecclesiasticall order lieth worne out and buried in the time of Antichrist the Priests lamenting the Church doores destroyed the altars forsaken the Church empty because there are none to come to the Lambes solemnitie And p Vpon 2. The. 2 3. the Rhemists It is verie like be it spoken vnder the correction of Gods Church and all learned Catholickes that this great defection or reuolt shall not be onely from the Romane Empire but specially from the Roman Church and withall from most points of Christian religion For that neare to the time of Antichrist and the consummation of the world there is like to be a great reuolt of kingdomes people and Prouinces froÌ„ the externall open obedience and communion thereof For the few dayes of Antichrists reigne the externall state of the Romane Church and publicke intercourse of the faithful with the same may ceasse q Aquipontan contra Sâ—hn de Antich pag. 23. Tho. Boz de Sign Eccl tom 3 l. 24 cap. 9.10 Others thinke that then the sacrifice of the Eucharist shall be taken away And r Dom. à Soto 4. d. 46. qu 1. art 1. some affirme The departure and reuolt of the whole world froÌ„ the sea of Rome shall be a signe of the end of the world the faith being extinguished by reason of this reuolt Thirdly Å¿ Apo. 13. 17. that which the world and the kingdomes thereof followeth as the Church may fall out to be the synagogue of Antichrist whose doctrine is poyson whose Pastours be Wolues in sheepes clothing and whose people be the bastards of the whore of Babylon that none can discerne the true beleeuers but such as are specially enlightened by Gods Spirit therunto Thus writeth Gregorie of Valence When we say the Church is alway coÌ„spicuous t Annal. fid l 6. c. 4 coÌ„ment Theol. tom 3. pag. 145. saith he this must not be taken as if we thought it might at euery season be discerned alike easily For we know that sometimes it is so tossed with the waues of errors schismes and persecutions that to such as are vnskilfull do not discreetly enough weigh the circumstances of times and things it shall be very hard to be knowne Which then specially fell out what time the falshood of the Arrians bare rule almost ouer all the world therefore we denie not but that it will be harder to discerne the Church at some times then at other some yet this we auouch that it alway might be discerned by such as could wisely esteeme things To the same effect u Relect. controâ— 1. q 3 pag. 30. writeth D. Stapleton 4 Whereby it appeareth that if our aduersaries would set contention aside the matter of the visible and inuisible Church were at an end for themselues thinke it may be driuen into the same straits that we complaine of as will appeare by examining the places alledged And no doubt they could haue bene contented to haue called it the inuisible Church too as we do buâ— that as in all other matters so in this it was their lucke to come after vs and we by euill hap vsed the terme before them and so matred x See Rhem. vpon 1. Tim. 6.20 2. Tim. 1.13 the Catholicke phrase that now it cannot relish in their mouthes But in the meane time let the Iesuite speake indifferently what fault we haue made that our Church must be condemned for no Church because it was sometime obscured and yet his be the Romane Catholicke Church though it be subiect to the very same inconueniences For though he say their Church is neuer thus obscured but in the times of Antichrist yet this granteth as much as we say that it may be hidden and then we reply that all those dayes of the Churches inuisibilitie were the dayes of Antichrist § 18. The second part to wit that Christs Church must as long as it is be alwayes visible I proue First because Christ our Sauiour ordained this his Church to be the light of the world according to these words Matth. 5. Vos est is lux mundi and to be a rule or meane by which all men at all times may come to an entire and infallible knowledge of the true faith as hath bene alreadie proued but how can it be the light of the world if it selfe be inuisible or how can it be a meane by which at all times the infallible truth in all points of faith should be made knowne to all sorts of men if it selfe at anie time could not be knowne of men Or if you
the Iesuite so confidently beareth his friend in hand that the Gospels of the foure Euangelists cannot be knowne to be true Scripture more then those of Thomas and Nicodemus but by the authoritie of his Church Wherein possible he hath also the same meaning that Doctor Standish vttereth in the place alledged x In the letter b. a little before that those counterfeit Gospels bearing the titles of Thomas Nicodemus and Bartholomew were written by them in deed but his Church to shew her authoritie that this she can do hath repealed them A fat conceit yet some mens stomackes belike can digest it But if the Iesuite cannot conceiue how the Scripture may be discerned from other writings vnlesse we allow him the Churches authoritie let him hearken and learne of a rare man of his owne side Picus of Mirandula who speaking of the Scriptures y Refert Posseu bibl in Cicero c. 11. hath this memorable saying They do not moue they do not perswade but they enforce vs they driue vs forward they violently constraine vs. Thou readest words rude and homely but such as are quicke liuely flaming stinging piercing to the bottome of the spirit and by their admirable power transforming the whole man This admirable light shining in the Scripture it selfe shall assure vs it is the word of God better I hope then that Church whose tongue is sold to speake nothing but the Popes will § 29. Fourthly if to haue an entire faith in all particular points must be foreknowne as a marke whereby to know the true Church then contrary to that which hath bene alreadie proued the authoritie of the Church should not be a necessarie meanes whereby men must come to the infallible knowledge of true faith for if before we come to know which is the true Church we might by other meanes haue knowne which is the true faith in all points what need then is there for getting the true faith alreadie had to vse or bring the authoritie of the Church The Answer 1 Because this reason is the same with that which goeth before therefore it shall receiue the same answer That although we need the ministerie of the Church to teach vs the faith and this faith is not ordinarily knowne till the Church or some member thereof reueale it to vs yet may it be a marke whereby to know the Church as the effect is a marke of the cause that produceth it the fruite of the tree the teaching of the schoolemaister In which case the reuelation of the true faith whereby we come to know it is an effect or worke of the Church and so able and fit to assure vs that it is the Church Neither doth this suppose or imply that the faith is already had and knowne by other meanes before we vse the Church but onely that when the Church teacheth the faith thereof in the order of my vnderstanding is first knowne that is to say the Church and the faith being inseparably ioyned together yet the faith first cometh to my knowledge This I further explicate by a similitude For musick is the marke of a Musitian whereby to know him and to distinguish him from all other professions And though I must first be assured it is good musicke that he sheweth before I can be certaine he is a Musitian yet were it folly to reason as the Iesuite doth what need then is there for the getting of the musicke already had to vse the ministerie of the Musitian for the musicke is not already had but onely by his playing it cometh in order before himselfe into my vnderstanding and then I know him thereby So a 1. Reg. 3.16 two women laid claime both to one child and both pretended themselues to be true mother thereunto as the Church of Rome this day striueth with vs pleading for her selfe that she is our holy mother the Church and the child is hers in this contention we must find out the Church by the same markes that Salomon found out the true mother which was her tender compassion inclosed in her bowels and discouered by her words that she had rather part with her child then haue it cut in sunder And if the Iesuite should reason against Salomons iudgement that he had followed a wrong marke which was inclosed in the woman heart and needed great iudgement yea diuine illumination to find it the woman her selfe by her speech and behauiour made it knowne to him and if pietie and pitie were the note of a true mother whereby to know her then contrary to that which hath bene already proued the speech and behauiour of the mother should not be a necessary meanes whereby Salomon must come to the knowledge of this pietie c. If I say he should thus argue against Salomon he might do it with the same reason that he vseth against vs and possible with as good successe * V. vltim the spirit of God and the iudgement of all Israel in both alike equally condemning his sophistry For was not the womans pitie toward the child knowne to Salomons wisedome before he knew her to be the mother and yet her selfe was the instrument that made it knowne So true faith is the mark of the Church and known to me before the Church but yet by no other meanes but by the Church whose ministery is needful for the getting it as the cause is needfull for the obtaining of the effect and afterward it selfe is proued by the same effect Now the teaching of the truth is an effect of the true Church § 30. Fiftly if before we giue absolute infallible and vndoubted credit to the true Church we must examine and iudge whether euery particular point which it teacheth be the truth with authoritie to accept that which we like or which in our conceit seemeth right and conformable to Gods word and to reiect whatsoeuer we dislike or which in our priuate iudgement seemeth not so right or conformable then we make our selues examiners and iudges ouer the Church and consequently preferre our liking or disliking our iudgement and censure of the sence of Scripture before the iudgement definition and censure of the true Church But it is absurd both in reason and religion to preferre the iudgement of anie priuate man be he neuer so wittie or learned or neuer so strongly perswaded in his owne conceit that he is taught by the Spirit before the sentence of Gods Catholike Church which is a companie of men many of which both are and haue bin most vertuous wise and learned and which is chiefe is such a companie as according to the absolute and infallible promises of Scripture hath Christ himselfe and his holy Spirit continually among them guiding them and teaching them all truth and not permitting them to erre Matth. vlt. 10.14 16. vt supra The Answer 1 This is his last argument wherein he reasoneth thus that if the faith be a note of the Church then it must first be examined
the qq of the Armenians Armachanus against the Friers Marsilius and Occham against the Popes supremacie the Iesuits and Secular priests of late among vs one against another Catharinus against Caietan of whom a Loc. l. 2. c. 11. Canus againe giueth this censure He was a little too busie in carping at others and marked not that himselfe while he reprehended Caietan did many times and fowlly erre This Caietan though he were b Reuerendiss Thomae de Vio Caie S. Ro. Eccl Card. Theol. doctoris absolu tissimi The title set before his comments vpon Tho. reputed the most absolute and profound Doctor of his time c As appeareth by his opusc ad diuersorum quaesita much sought vnto for resolution of difficult questions yet afterward d Andrad defens Trid. l. 2. they suspected him to haue bene a Lutheran e Suaâ— to 3. d. 60 s 1. And this appeareth by coÌ„paring the new print of his commentaries vpon Tho. with the old edition printed at Venice An. 1523. and Pius Quintus caused a number of things to be put out of his bookes in a new impression that a man may know they are not all of one opinion So Catharinus and Soto haue written vehemently against each other and there is not one of the elder Papists such as were Pighius Gropper Bayus Peresius Cassander Hosius Almaine and the rest who in their time some three or foure score yeares since were the best pillars in the Church of Rome and taught the doctrine thereof as it was then held but now the Iesuits scornfully cast them off and confute them Who knoweth not f De grat l. 1. c. 3. saith Bellarmine that Pighius in many points was miserably seduced by reading Caluins bookes And of Gropper and the other Diuines of Collen he g De iustif l. 3. cap. 3. saith Their bookes haue need of the Churches censure in the same manner do they that are yet liuing deale one by another For nothing is more common in the bookes of Stapleton Bellarmine Gregory of Valentia Suarez Vasquez Molina Baronius and other moderne writers then to confute one anothers opinion and to determine in the questions depending as variably as euer did the schoolemen 18 And if any thinke I wrong them by reporting these things vntruly of them I demand why haue they razed purged so many of their books which were their owne Doctors why haue they put out that which they writ and put in what they writ not and so printed their bookes new ouer that now you cannot find in the new print those things which themselues printed in the old Thus they haue serued Caietan Gratian with his glosse Ferus Polydore Ludouicus Vines h See index lib. prohib and the indices expurg of all sorts Iun. Hispan Louan Posseuin apparat sacer tomis 2. and whom not if he had written neuer so little against the streame of the present time The Diuines of the holy inquisition i Biblio l. 2. c. 8. saith Posseuinus a busie meddler in all mens writings haue commanded certaine things to be razed out of Andreas Mazius his comments which sauoured of heresie And of Iansenius his Harmonie vpon the Gospels he k Lib. 2. c. 18. saith Many things are in it not allowed by learned men which with little ado might be supplyed or taken away Therfore it is plaine that among the learned of that side there is some opposition or else they would neuer geld one anothers bookes thus 19 And it is no sufficient answer to say The difference is not in dogmaticall points of faith but onely in matters not defined by the Church for it is in all the points of their religion wherein they differ from vs and wherin Papistry properly consisteth the certaine truth wherof is determined in the Scriptures and therefore it is against vnitie to disagree therein whether the Pope and his Councels determine of them or no. Besides it is a point of Atheism to say l Dico hactenus nihil esse in hac controuersia ab Ecclesia definituÌ„ ideoque sententiam nostrum non esse de side â— Fr. Suar. to 2. d. 3. l. 6. they are not matters of faith vnlesse the Church of Rome haue defined theÌ„ m Occham tract 2. part 2. c. 10 inde Anâ—otâ—ers for what God reuealed in his word and may be knowne thereby bindeth vs of it owne nature and though the Church haue power to propound matter of faith out of the Scripture and for the ending of controuersies to giue testimony with the truth yet hath it no authoritie to change the nature of things or to put any more veritie into them then was before In which regard the contentions of our aduersaries touch the faith in that they striue about things determined by the word of God and agree in nothing wherein they dissent from vs for in the same things wherin they differ from vs they also dissent one from another This I will shew in some few examples such and so many onely as the present opportunitie will permit and is fit for this place 20 First they agree not about the Popes supremacie For Ferus n Sixt. Senens biblioth l. 6. annot 72. taught against his dominion and principality in temporall things o Comment in Mat. l. 3 in c. 16. preaching that Christ gaue him the keyes not of the kingdomes of the earth but of the kingdome of heauen not any earthly power to giue take away or alienate kingdomes but authoritie to bind and loose c. And Marsilius p Defens pac part 2. c. 18. saith That vniustly yea besides and contrary to the demonstration of Diuinitie humanitie he ascribeth to himselfe fulnesse of power ouer Prince community or any singular person And Durand q De modo celeb concil queÌ„ refert Catolog test idem Gerson quem ita refert Fr. Victo relect 4. de pot Pap. Concil pag. 138. holdeth the Supremacie of the Romane Church should be declared and distinguished by the Ecclesiasticall and secular lawes neither ought the Pope to be called the Bishop of the vniuersall Church because Gregory hath forbidden it And it is a common opinion that a Councell is aboue him And Almayn r Qu. in Vesp pag. 133. saith It is not necessary we beleeue things determined by him And Cusanus Å¿ Concord l. 2. c. 12. saith that through vse and custome of his subiects obeying him he hath at this day gotten a great deale beyond the ancient sacred Canons Secondly touching prayer in an vnknowne tongue t Christ instruct pag 212. Contarenus a Cardinall saith The prayers that men vnderstand not want the fruite which they should reape if they vnderstood them for they might both specially intend their mind to God for the obtaining euen in speciall of that which with their mouth they begge and also through the pious sence of their prayer vttered they should
since Christ till now without interruption 2 Gregory of Valenza teaching that it is one property of the Church to be alway visible b Tom. 3. pag. 142. saith this troubleth vs exceedingly in as much as we are not able to shew any company of people which in times past was known in the world to hold that form of doctrine and religion that now we haue brought in And I haue obserued in all my acquaintance with persons affected to Popery in this country where I dwell that they obiect nothing against vs more willingly then this And therefore I will answer it fully and directly And touching the time immediatly after Christ and so forward til 800. yeares were ended I name the Primitiue Church and the other Churches throughout the world professing the faith of Christ and affirme that they were of our religioÌ„ though some corruptions especially laterward came in withall And if our aduersaries deny this we offer to make the triall by the new Testament and writings of all the said ages successiuely out of which we will shew that our faith is the same which the Apostles preached and the fathers for al that time beleeued whatsoeuer came in beside was resisted and disallowed all the difficultie is touching the ages following til Luthers time And we say that all that time also in euery age successiuely there was a Church of our religion Our aduersaries bid vs shew it and name the place and persons whereto I answer two things That touching the place the Church of Rome it selfe was it For in euery part thereof there were some that held our faith and that which was called the Church of Rome was but a contagion outwardly cleauing to it and by reason of the multitude preuailing against it in a sort and obscuring it Concerning the persons and particular companies we lay downe two things first it must needs be granted that such there were because the names of some are extant as for example the Waldenses Wickliffe and the Bohemians which agreed with vs in the substance of our religion Next we are not bound to shew an exact catalogue from time to time precisely of euery such person and companie so that vnlesse we do it we lose our cause for first it was the time of Antichrist wherein the Church must be persecuted and by that persecution be diminished and obscured which is the cause why the professors could not ordinarily possesse whole cities and countries wherein they might professe their faith openly but in all places they liued oppressed with the tyrannie and obscured with the greatnesse of Rome that their names and places with other circuÌ„stances whereby their memory should haue bene preserued could not so easily come vnto vs. Next it is certaine that the Church may be in places where none can see it as c 2. Reg. 19 18. in Elias his time there were seuen thousand in Israel and yet he saw neuer a one of them Whence it followeth that they argue but weakly against vs that say our religion was not because we can shew no professors for Elias could shew none and yet there were seuen thousand Thirdly the want of histories is a hinderance For things past can be shewed by no other meanes and the most of those times were exceeding barren of good writers Baronius d An. 90â— n. 1. noteth such want of writers in the nine hundredth yeare that therfore it is called the obscure age So that many things might appeare at those present times which for want of stories could neuer come to our knowledge And the consideration of this one point may iustly stay the discreete from being too confident against vs when they shall see many things to be done that are not written to the posteritie but he forgotten And more then this we assure our selues that the Church of Rome would in all those ages do her best to deface the memorie of any thing that might witnesse for vs whereby it came to passe that so little was written of the men of our religion For what they writ themselues it was easie for their enemies to suppresse and what their enemies wrote of them is of as much credite as that which the Iesuites write this day of vs. This that I say is more then probable For if at this day our aduersaries e Azor. instit tom 1. l. 8. c. 16. Posseu biblioth select pa. 130. a. wipe our very names out of bookes and commaund that no man shall name vs but in contempt and charge vs with horrible opinions that we hold not as that we make God the author of sinne denie fasting praying and good workes c. we may with good discretion assure our selues their ancestors haue done the like in former ages to the men of our religion Hence it cometh to passe that their memorie is very scant in Popish stories as the matters of the Iewes are rarely mentioned in the writings of the Gentiles though they were famous and where they are remembred it is with contempt and slander and hence it is that Wickliffe and the Waldenses are charged with such vile opinions For if the Iesuites thus charge and belie vs at this day why might not their forefathers belie them in like manner and deface their memorie The man that readeth but Wickliffes owne bookes and compareth them with that which Frier Walden most impudently chargeth him with shall finde this to be true that I say And euery bodie knoweth what monsters are written touching Ierom of Prage by his aduersaries and yet Poggius the Popes owne Secretarie that was an eye-witnesse of his death and triall at the Councell of Constance saith f Epist ad Leonard Aretin inter epist Pij 2 â—p 425. he was a man worthy eternall memorie there was no iust cause of death in him he spake nothing in all his triall vnworthy a good man and he maketh question whether the things obiected against him were true or no. So then the practise of the Papists this day with vs defacing our names belying our opinions burying our memorie corrupting our bookes suppressing the truth of things purging and razing all manner of euidence maketh vs assure our selues that in the same manner our ancestors were vsed and that it is a principall reason why we yeeld not so perfect a catalogue as else we might do 3 That which is more to be said touching this point shall be handled below sect 50. § 46. But the Romane Church is for it hath bene continually without interruptioÌ„ since Christ and his Apostles time still visible professing the same faith without change which now it hath and therefore is Catholicke or vniuersall in Time It hath had and hath at this day at least some of euery countrey where there are anie Christians which is almost if not absolutely euery where that communicateth and agreeth in profession of faith with it therefore it is Catholicke and vniuersall in Place It teacheth a most ample and
might be here in the sacrament yet it was not in the beginning so manifestly beleeued as concerning this conuersion o D. 11. q. 3. §. Quantum ergo ad istum But principally this seemeth to moue vs to hold transubstantiation because concerning the sacramēts we are to hold as the Church of Rome doth where in the margin it is noted that our faith as concerning this sacrament is onely by reason of the Churches determination And he p §. Ad argumenta pro prima addeth We must say the Church in the Creed of the Lateran Councell vnder Innocent the third which beginneth with these words FIRMITER CREDIMVS declared this sence concerning transubstantiation to belong to the veritie of our faith And if you demand why would the Church make choise of so difficult a sence of this article whē the words of the Scripture This is my body might be vpholden after an easie sence and in appearance more true I say the Scriptures were expounded by the same spirit that made them and so it is to be supposed that the Catholicke Church expounded them by the same spirit whereby the faith was deliuered vs namely being taught by the spirit of truth and therefore it chose this sence because it was true q Canon lect 41. Biels words are to the same effect Which sheweth the point was neither holden nor knowne vniuersally in the Church before the Lateran Councell and that then it began to be receiued as a matter of our faith And yet since that time these men enquiring so boldly into the congruēcie of the opinion and casting so many dangers about it they shew plainly that they mistrust the proceeding of the Councell though they may not disclaime it Durand r 4. d. 11. q. 1. saith It is great rashnesse to thinke the body of Christ by his diuine power cannot be in the sacrament vnlesse the bread be conuerted into it But if this way which supposeth the bread to remaine still were true de facto many doubts which meet vs about the sacrament holding that the substance of bread remaineth not were dissolued But forsomuch as this way must not de facto be holden since the Church hath determined the contrary which is presumed not to erre in such matters therefore I answer the arguments made to the contrary holding the other part which saith the bread is changed Would our aduersaries thus backwardly come into the opinion if they had seene it to haue bene holden in all ages before in the Church or is it not rather an infallible signe that it was brought into the Church by the strength of some mens conceits without all warrant either of Scripture or fathers the want whereof so dazled those that imbraced it that they could see no reason for it but are all glad to lay it vpon the necke of a silly Pope in his Lateran Coūcell Besides ſ Scot. 4. d 11. q. 3. Bell Euchar. l. 3. c. 23. they confesse There is no Scriptare to inforce it vnlesse ye bring the Church of Romes exposition that is to say the Popes authoritie in whom t Turrect tract 73. quest q. 49. they thinke the power of the vniuersall Church in determining matters of faith principally resides if not alone u 3. part q. 75. art 1. p. 153. Caietan laieth downe diuers opinions holden among the Schoolemen touching the conuersion neuer a one whereof reacheth the transubstantiation and disallowing such as expounded Christs words This is my body metaphorically he saith his reason is because the Church hath vnderstood them properly I say the Church saith he because in the Gospell there is nothing that compelleth vs to vnderstand them properly headdeth that the conuersion of the bread into Christs body we haue receiued of the Church Now put all this together that we beleeue transubstantiation vpon the authoritie of the Church and this Church was Pope Innocent in the Councell of Lateran before which time there was no certaintie nor necessitie of beleeuing it and the Councell might haue chosen another sence of Christs words more easie and in all appearance more true for there is no Scripture sufficient to conuince it and the contrary were liable to fewer difficulties let this I say be put together and it will plainly shew that this point came in contrary to that which was vniuersally holden in the ancient Church because things vniuersally holden were certainly knowne and expresly beleeued without all this ado § 48. Let him shew also what countrey there is or hath bene where Christian faith either was first planted or continued where some at least haue not holden the Romane faith as we can shew them diuerse places especially in the Indies Iaponia and China countreys where theirs is scarce heard of The Answer 1 This is answered before sect 46. nu 2. where I shewed that when countries were first conuerted frō Paganism which was for the most part in the Primitiue Church the present Romane faith was not knowne but the Church of Rome in those daies professed the same that we do and consequently the nations conuerted by it and professing the faith thereof were conuerted to our religion and professed it For the Iesuite deceiueth himselfe with the name of Romane faith wherewith in the beginning all nations indeed vnder heauen communicated but then it was not the same that now it is as I haue plainly demonstrated in the former sect digress 49. And although since the change many nations haue still retained the same faith with it yet that iustifieth not the faith because the said faith growing on by steps and peecemeale was a generall apostasie and the mysterie of iniquitie working throughout the whole Church so that of necessitie there must be some in all places to follow it As when a generall rebellion groweth throughout a kingdome the rebels haue partakers in euerie towne and yet the possession is not proued theirs by that but onely the greatnesse and strength of the rebelling faction is shewed The Papacy that is to say the Roman faith in as much as it differeth from vs is not imagined by vs to be in another Church distinct in place and countries from the true Church of Christ but we affirme it to be a contagion raigning in the middest of the Church of Christ it self and spreading throughout the parts therof wheresoeuer and annoying the whole body like a leprosie in which disease though all the parts be affected yet the inward and vitall parts retaine their operation and still worke to expell the leprosie which at the length they do In this case the man is possessed indeed with a vile contagion but yet the man remaineth there still though the contagion be not the man And the contagion possesseth euery part of him some more some lesse being vniuersally spread ouer the body and yet hereby it is not proued to be the true nature and sound constitution of the bodie but a preuailing humor and when
things first that if religion were among the Brittans and extinguished no where but in Kent where Austine arriued then he conuerted not the land but one poore countrey in it and must be called no longer the Apostle of England but the Apostle of Kent which compasse I thinke our ambitious aduersaries wil not be content with because it is too narrow for their turnes Next m Three conuers part 1. c. 11 n. 4 the busiest aduersaries that we haue in this matter say all the land was conuerted about that time For Austine conuerted the kingdomes of Kent the East Saxons and all the rest were conuerted within lesse then threescore yeares after being seuen States in all The which narration ascribeth the same want of the true faith to all the land that in the obiection is layd to Kent alone Whence it followeth that the faith was not extinct in Kent because it was remaining still in the other six kingdoms The which to be true appeareth by Bede who n L. 1. c. 8.17.21 writeth that afore Austins coming the Brittans were troubled with Arrianisme and Pelagianisme but Germanus Lupus and Seuerus three French Bishops deliuered them Whereby it is plainly proued that the whole land was not conuerted by Austine but had the faith long before he came Thirdly touching Kent it selfe where Austine arriued ouer and besides that it cannot be proued to haue wanted the faith any more then the rest of the land did Bede o L. 1. c. 25.26 saith that the Queene thereof was a French woman called Bertha a good Christian and had a Christian Bishop euen at that time when Austine came p L. 2. c. 2. And he addeth further that when he arriued he found diuers Brittan Bishops and learned men with a Monasterie at Bangor all which were Christians and refused Austine for his pride which they found in him contrarie to Christs humilitie And touching the Brittans our aduersaries q Three conuers par 1. c. 9. n. 1. write that from king Lucius time vntil the comming of Austine which was foure hundred yeares and more they did not alter their faith but it remained among them when he entred for r Lib. 1. c. 17. Bede saith that when a certaine Bishops sonne broached the heresie of Pelagius in the land yet the people would not receiue it Which constraineth vs to thinke that Austine brought not the faith into the land with him but found it there whē he came His errand as it may probably be thought was about the planting of certaine ceremonies and the dealing with our countreymen about the obseruation of Easter and ſ Cassand ordo Rom. praefat Gregory that sent him about that time was busie in changing the Liturgies vsed in these Western parts and did change them and thrust his new ones vpon all the places he could It may be this was a part of the Monkes businesse into Kent 3 And as the Iesuite vntruly ascribeth the conuersion of England to the Monke so hath he as absurdly written that the Protestants religion was vnhatched for I know not how many hundred yeares after Which he would not haue said but that Papists are famous for their aduentures For before the conquest t Homil. Saxonic A Elfrici Aelfricus an Archbishop of Canterburie caused the people of the land to be taught the same doctrine touching the sacrament that we hold and u H. Huntingd. l. 7. Fab. chron the Priests were maried as now they be and x Bed l. 1. c. 1. the Scriptures were vsed in the mother tongue And after the conquest liued Iohn Wickliffe and the Lollards who held the same faith that we do and suffered persecution for it 4 That which he saith of other countries conuerted by meanes of such as were members of the Romane Church proueth not Papistrie to be either auncient or vniuersall For the three first authors in the places alledged speake of the time within the first fiue hundred yeares when the Church of Rome was of our religion and that which they report is not of any whom the Bishop of Rome sent or procured to conuert the countries but this y Socr. l. 1. c. 19.20 Soz. l. 2 c. 24 that Frumentius being sent by Athanasius the Bishop of Alexandria conuerted the Indians z Niceph. l. 14. c. 40. and a captiue woman conuerted the Iberians and a sort of Iewes in Creet were conuerted by the inhabitants and the Burgundians instructed by a French Bishop In all which there is neither mention of the Church of Rome nor of the present faith now professed therein but our aduersaries thinke that whatsoeuer is found in antiquitie concerning the auncient Church of Rome should belong to them wherein they finde themselues deceiued as often as the matter is put to triall and this one example may shew it for allowing all these countries to haue bin conuerted by such as were members of the Church of Rome yet this was a thousand years ago when that Church was the same that ours is and so the conuersions were wrought by persons adhering to the Protestants faith The three last authors Platina Eneas and Baronius are Papists liuing one of them at this day the other within the memory of our fathers and therefore I regard not what they writ touching this question because we haue more auncient records against them And yet whatsoeuer they haue written the present Romane faith is not iustified thereby For hereticks may conuert nations to heresie as a Oros hist l. 7. c. 19. the Arrians and b Cedren compend pag. 347. Mahomet haue done Therefore it is necessary that first they proue their faith to be agreeable with the word of God by comparing them together afore they boast of their conuersions Digression 50. Of the conuersion of the Indies to the Romane faith by the Iesuites 5 But that which he vrgeth concerning the Indies must be a little further looked into For c Epist Indic Bellar. not eccl c. 12. Hard. confut apol p. 18. our aduersaries make much ado and tell wonders of their miracles and conuersions there But marke the words of Franciscus Victoria their owne writer It doth not d Relect. 5. pag. 200. saith he sufficiently appeare to me that the Christian faith hath hitherto bene so offered and preached to the Indies that they should vnder the pain of sinne be bound to beleeue it This I say because they are not bound to beleeue vnlesse the faith be propounded to them with probable perswasion But miracles or signes I heare of none nor examples of life so religious nay the contrary I heare of many scandals and villanies and many impieties Whence it appeareth that the Christian religion hath not bene preached to them conueniently nor godlily The which how true it is you may perceiue by that which followeth concerning the prodigious crueltie of the Spaniards and impious behauiour of the Priests in those countries euer since their first
Church though no man deny but that is needfull for the shewing and teaching of the rule to all that shall be saued expounding the said teaching of the ministerie wherby the faithfull are directed in the Church But he hath not proued the Church to be alway visible to the world nor those foure to be the Notes of the Church He hath said it but not proued it as appeareth by my answer 2 All which being considered his demands are soone and shortly answered that the Protestants admit the authority and doctrine of the Church though they thinke not the Papacie to be it nor the authoritie thereof to be aboue the Scripture And the grounds wherupon they perswade themselues to haue the sauing faith are so infallible that all the Papists in the world cannot cōfute them And our title to the true Church is sound when our aduersaries haue smattered and wrangled against it what they can for the doctrine of the Scripture which in all points we professe beleeue proue it And albeit those foure One Holy Catholicke and Apostolicke be not the markes of the Church but certaine qualities therein yet we haue them at least for anie thing the Iesuite hath said to the contrarie all whose discourse against vs pretending the want of these things among vs I haue fully answered in their proper places and retorted vpon himselfe whereby the iudicious reader may be satisfied And therefore when we say ours is the true faith we brag not but maintaine and auouch our lawfull title since as S. Austin saith the same is not to be found but in the bellie of the true Church which we are Whereupon we aduise all Papists whatsoeuer to renounce the Papacie if they will hold the truth and be saued For according to the saying of the same Austin afore-cited whosoeuer is separated from this bellie of the Church must needs speake false because out of the true Church there is neither true preaching nor lawfull sending such as should preach and I haue manifestly shewed that the Papacie is not the true Church but a disease that by the faction of some grew vnto it 3 Thus the whole discourse of this Section is briefly answered But where he saith our religion sprang vp of late the first founder being Martin Luther an apostata Frier a man knowne by his writings words deeds and death to haue bene a notable euill liuer this must be a little more stood vpon because it is the burden of euery song among the Papists And first it is to no purpose to say our religion sprang vp of late in Luther vnlesse our euidence whereby we shew it to agree with the Scripture and to haue bene taught in the Church of Rome it selfe many hundred yeares afore Luther was borne can be disproued Next we graunt Luther was a Frier and obtaining the knowledge of the truth renounced the profession which was no other apostasie or fault in him then it was in S. Paule when he renounced the profession of a Pharisee and became an Apostle both the professions being hypocrisie saue that of the Frier was of a deeper tincture as I haue shewed Digress 45. Then concerning his writings the Iesuite is no competent iudge For woe to him and all his Church if Luthers writings be good And therefore let them be examined by the Scripture the touchstone of all mens writings not by the witles preiudice of idle companions that neuer read them And if they containe some particular things that deserue reproofe yet what disgrace is that to the substance of his writings What fathers writing is so pure but it containeth some error Yea I challenge the Iesuit let him name if he can one writer of his owne side old or new Schooleman or Iesuite but some or other in the Church of Rome will except against something he writ Thomas Caietan Bellarmine and Baronius are controlled yea in the later editions the Councell of Trent hath purged in a manner all writers which maketh it cleare that some errors in Luthers bookes disaduantage vs no more then the errors purged and espied in their owne books disaduantage the Papists And yet the things that are most excepted against are no errors but the ancient truth maintained against Popish innouation And let the words of Erasmus a man able to iudge by a Antididag p. 58. Sur. cōment p. 288. Staplet discours p. 159. the Papists owne confession determine this matter b Epist ad Cardin Mogent He saith It is obserued of a truth that these men the Papists condemne many things in Luthers bookes as hereticall which in Austin and Bernard are read for godly and good Diuinity and he addeth That he seeth this the best men are least offended at his writings The which is most true it being their ordinary practise for the hatred of our persons to raile vpon that which by their owne confession the ancient fathers held before vs. So c Hosiand hist eccl cent 16. p. 837 Andreas Masius in the company of diuers acknowledged there was more Diuinitie in one page of Luther then sometimes in a whole booke of some father Let his writing therefore rest and come to his life and death Digression 54. Containing a briefe narration touching the life and death of Martin Luther with the incredible reports thereof made by his aduersaries And shewing how sundry Popes in the Church of Rome haue liued and died worse then he supposing all reports were true 4 In speaking of this matter that standeth altogether vpon witnesses I must put the reader in mind of a speech of Bellarmines d Not. eecl c. 14. §. Sed respondeamus That it is the part of a foole rather to beleeue Caluin and Illyricus touching ancient histories whereat they were not present then Bernard Bonauenture and Antonine that were present Let this law be kept then that Surius Lindan Pontacus and other railing Papists that were not present at Luthers life and death be not credited against them that liued with him saw him die and if any will beleeue them let him be the Iesuites foole Now touching his life Melancthon that was his companion and liued with him hath written it and commended it to say no more And Erasmus that was familiar with him e L. 11. Ep. 1. ad Card. Eborac in a certain Epistle to Cardinall Wolsey giueth testimony that his life was approued with great consent of all men And this saith he is no small preiudice that the integritie of his manners is so great that his verie enemies can finde nothing which they may calumniate As indeed to this day nothing can be produced against him that is substantiall They clamour of his doctrine because it was against them and produce some vehement speeches which his aduersaries by their iniuries prouoked him vnto as Saint Hierome often times vseth the like vehemency but what is that to his conuersation Let them shew his life to haue bene led otherwise then became
THE WAY TO THE TRVE CHVRCH wherein The principall Motiues perswading to Romanisme and Questions touching the nature and authoritie of the Church and Scriptures are familiarly disputed and driuen to their issues where this day they sticke betweene the Papists and vs Contriued into an Answer to a Popish Discourse concerning the Rule of Faith and the marks of the Church And published to admonish such as decline to Papistrie of the weake and vncertaine grounds whereupon they haue ventured their soules Directed to all that seeke for resolution and especially to his louing countrimen of Lancashire By IOHN WHITE Minister of Gods word at Eccles. For the finding out of the matter and questions handled there are three Tables two in the beginning and one in the end of the Booke ¶ De hoc inter nos Quaestio versatur vtrum apud Nos an apud Illos vera Ecclesia sit August de vnit Eccles cap. 2. LONDON Printed for IOHN BILL and WILLIAM BARRET 1608. TO THE MOST REVEREND FATHERS IN GOD TOBIE THE LORD ARCHBISHOP OF YORKE HIS GRACE Primate and Metropolitane of England and to GEORGE Lord Bishop of Chester his very good Lords WHen I first peÌ„ned this Treatise which now I offer to your Lordships I did it for mine owne priuate exercise and the satisfying of certaine friends that desired it Afterward seeing some hope that it might doe good abroad principally in the countrey where I dwell and desirous if it were possible to do any thing that might helpe the seduced out of their errors and confirme the rest in the truth I was easily perswaded to put it forth and the rather for that the questions handled touching THE AVTHORITIE AND SENCE OF THE SCRIPTVRE and SIGNES OF THE CHVRCH are the profitablest that can be stood vpon and such as I haue alway obserued our people commonliest vse and most desire to looke into not being able to apprehend the difference or iudge of the reasons in other questions but presuming that if by certain marks they could find which is the true Church there would remaine litle difficultie in the rest forsomuch as therein they should find the truth in euery controuersie 2 The proper cause why our aduersaries put this deuice into the peoples heads was to dazle their eyes and delude their sences with the name of THE CHVRCH that when they should find the word of God and all discourse against their opinions yet that name should amaze them while they might beleeue nothing vntill they were perswaded by other marks that it came from the CHVRCH And no doubt this is the a Apollodor Bibliothec. li. 2. Gorgons head that inchanteth and oppresseth them euen the learnedst of them all and holdeth them in bondage to their errors hauing a conceit that they wil heare nothing against the Church which they presuming to be the Papacy though it be but AN IMPOSTVME BRED IN THE CHVRCH or A DISEASE GROWING TO IT will go no further All their speech is of the Church no mention of the Scriptures or God their Father but their MOTHER THE CHVRCH Much like as b Solin poly hist c. 33. they write of certaine Aethiopians that by reason they vse no mariage but promiscuously companie together it cometh that the children onely follow the mother the fathers name is in no request but the mother goeth away with all the reputation Let their talke be listened and their bookes perused and it will appeare this authoritie of their Church is at the end of euery question and striketh the stroke as c Philostrat in imaginib one saith pleasantly of Aesops Fables that therein the Foxe is the chiefe stickler of all the company The beasts seldom meet but he is among them and beareth his part with the busiest 3 This matter is handled in this Booke betweene my aduersarie and me For though others haue done the same before me yet I haue done it in mine owne method The water is all one but the vessell wherein I haue brought it is my owne And it was the iudgement of d Trinit l. 1. c. 3. de Mendacio c. 6. Saint Austine that In places infected with heresie all men should write that had any facultie therein though it were but the same things in other words that all sorts of people among many bookes might light vpon some and the enemie in all places might find some to encounter him The Iesuites which are the Popes Ianizaries that guard his person and were brought in now at the last cast when the state of the Papacie was at a dead lift to support the waight of the maine battell haue pestered the land with their writings and filled the hands and pockets of all sorts of people with their papers yea fannes and feathers are lapped vp in them wherein it is admirable to see how presumptuously they take vpon them in disgracing our persons belying our doctrine and coining and defending strange opinions of their owne neuer heard of afore as if Chrysippus schoole had bred them e Diog. Laert. in Chrysip who vsed to make his boast that many times he wanted opinions to aduance but if once he had the opinion he neuer wanted arguments to defend it whose writings seeing they cannot be suppressed pitie but they were effectually answered The applause that ignorant and vnsetled minds giue them and the conquest that of late yeares they haue made of a few Libertines and discontented persons hath so fleshed them that it is incredible how they brag and sing like f Auentin Annal lib. 2. the clownes of Germany when they had expelled the Franks Mille Francos mille Sarmatas semel occidimus Mille mille mille mille mille Persas quaerimus But I dare boldly say it that if the maner how they haue preuailed be looked into g Praescript Tertullians speech will fall out to be true It is the weaknesse of some that giueth them the victory being able to do nothing when they encounter an able faith Discontent and vanitie of mind voide of the knowledge and faithfull practise of religion are good dispositions to heresie They liue Gentiles saith Cyprian and die heretickes h 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Dioâ— Laerâ— in Epicur Epicurus in his time with teaching pleasure and libertie filled the most houses and cities with his friends But if we looke what the motiues were that led them away and what the Iesuites said against vs I presume three verses in i Pâ—â—â—â—ol Plautus will answer them Quid ait quid narrat quaeso quid dicit tibi Nugas theatri verba quae in comoedijs Solent lenoni dici quae pueri sciunt 4 A singular misery no doubt and aboue all other to be lamented that mans mind so free so ready so able with those helpes that God hath left him to search out the truth yet should not be satisfied nor rest contented with heauen and earth or any other thing that God hath reuealed for the finding
gods neuerthelesse he could not but pitie their state who must liue vnder him that would exceed the degree of a man The Popes Deitie therfore maketh them in a miserable case that liue vnder him that disdains the place that God hath allotted him The alliance they haue with the Church of Rome wil not let them see this though the former ages u Sigeb ann 1088. counted it nouelty and heresie and x Anna Caesarissa hist 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Refert Illyric with passion cried out of it For adultery is a foule sinne yet y Cael. Rhodigin l. 10. c. 35. among the old Arabians no man was reputed an adulterer if he were sib to the woman which is the reason why nothing is amisse among our aduersaries because the men that do it are sib to the Romane Church 6 There is but one way to preuent the danger that may he feared from this generation and their practises and that is that sinne be seuerely punished and a preaching ministery setled as much as is possible in all places of the land and painfull preaching effectually maintained against the manifold discouragements of this iron age whereby the subiect may be taught obedience and ignorance and superstition the roote of disloyaltie may be expelled that slie Papists specially those of the better sort be met with and not suffered with cunning and friendship to slide through the fingers of the Magistrate that besides all other courses vsed to bridle them they be reuoked to continual conference with such persons as are euery way fit to encounter the reputed learning of their Seminaries and to lay the vain rumor of it that finally his Maiestie and the State vpon all occasions be encouraged against the manifold dangers and troubles which to the exceeding griefe of all good subiects their gracious care ouer the Church and Zeale against false religion bringeth vpon them and that by deuoting our selues to their obedience and expressing our contentment in their gouernment they be encouraged to proceed and take heart for euer in the faith and profession which the sacred lawes of our land and the mercy of God haue hitherto vpholden to vs and vnder which we haue liued so happily and obtained such strange deliuerances against all our enemies The persons that must do this are your Lordships and the rest of your place the Fathers of the Church whose seates were first erected euen from the beginning for such very purposes No contradiction nor contentioÌ„ must weary you no peace must make you secure no opposition dismay you The chiefe magistrates of our state are properly in your hands to frame their conscience to direct their proceedings to stirre them to action the inferior sort of the Clergy meddle not with this charge it is your Lordships to whom the cure belongeth The vigilancy Zeale and courage of the Primitiue Bishops to say nothing of our Grindals Iewels Pilkintons and other famous Prelats of our time your Lordships predecessors was admirable in these businesses after God once blessed them with an orthodoxal magistrate to support them there could no heresie harbour vnder them but they draue it out They were faithfull Fathers to the Church and Tutors to Emperours and by their Zeale and courage made the names of METROPOLITAN and BISHOP the most gratefull and honorable titles in the world that euery toung pronounced them with ioy and euery heart affected them with contentment when the negligence and securitie of some that succeeded in after times gaue the first occasion to quarrell at it and depraue it 7 If this be wanting that God be not pleased but sinne increase and so much superstition remaine still in the land vnreformed y 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Georg. Pachymer NO HVMANE VVISEDOME CAN KEEPE OVT GODS IVDGEMENTS BVT THEY VVIL COME AT THE LAST VPON VS We haue bin often threatned and the world about vs amazed at our dangers wondreth how we haue escaped z Cedren hist pag. 542. When Nicephorus Phocas had built a mightie wall about his pallace for his securitie in the night he heard a voice crying 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Though he built as high as the clouds yet the citie might easily be taken the sinne within would marre all If the diuell had employed any wit against vs but THE FRIERS our feare should haue bin the lesse but all ages and this beyond all sheweth their practises to haue bin of extraordinary ascendencie It is not much lesse then 500. yeares since a Wickliffe in Tâ—ialog pa. 143. a Bishop of Lincolne gaue the Frier this definition Est cadauer mortuum de sepulcro egressum pannis funebribus inuolutum à diabolo inter homines agitatum There is nothing about him but it relisheth of the graue and destruction and God deliuer vs from him 8 There is a generation that thinketh there is no difference betweene the two religions but they may be reconciled and all this ado needeth not Two sorts of people say thus The first are certaine POLITICK ROMANISTS to extenuate the foulnesse of Popery and to hold mens conceits toward it in the meane time till oportunitie serue to set it wholy vp what time they wil change their dittie and say the difference is so great that they which hold our part must be burned at a stake The second are IGNORANT AND VNDERSTAND NOTHING but liuing voide of the knowledge and conscience of all religion are possible of his mind that Turonensis b Greg. Tuâ—on hist Franc. li. 5. c. 43. If both the one and the other were followed neither were is any hurt if going between the altars of the Gentiles and the Church of God a man should giue honor to both writeth of who said it was best of al si illa illa colantur neque esse noxium si inter Gentilium aras Dei Ecclesiam quis transiens vtraque veneretur Whom God in his iudgement giueth ouer to this opinioÌ„ to plague their sloth who minding nothing but Epicurisme earthly things and not enduring the paines and conscience to make triall of that which should saue their soules are seduced by this perswasion and plunged into Atheisme to thinke the iust defence of our faith to be nothing but the maintenance of contention Wherein at one breath they haue not onely censured our State restraining Papistry and all the Churches throughout the world insisting vpon the difference and the Church of Rome too that proclaimeth it and pursueth it but they haue also condemned the Primitiue Church and all the Doctors therof who would neuer yeeld I wil not say in an opinion but not so much as in a form of speech or in the change of a letter sounding against the orthodoxal faith The difference between the Councell of Nice and Arius was but in c 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a letter d Georg. Pachymer hist l. 5. The controuersie whereupon the Latine and Greeke Churches
brake touching the proceeding of the holy Ghost depeÌ„ded but vpon two prepositions 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The monstrous heresie of Nestoâ—â—â—s lay but in the change of e 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 one poore letter and f Concil Ephesin Graec. p. 10. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Cyril would haue him euen in that to gratifie the Church and when he would not g Dalmat apolog in Concil Ephesin six thousand Bishops rose vp against him for it so religious were they that had religion that THEY VVOVLD NOT EXCHANGE h 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Basil apud Theodorit l. 4. c. 19. A LETTER OR A SYLLABLE OF THE FAITH VVHEREVVITH OVR SAVIOVR HAD â—VT THEM IN TRVST Which is our iust defence that write in the controuersies against all our censurers 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 i Epist ad Cleric Constantinopol in Concil Ephes p. 72. saith Cyril 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Are we enemies to peace no we rather wil pul it to vs with violence so that the true faith withal may be confessed But when it cannot be obtained we cleare the truth and by expelling their errors labour to plucke the seduced out of the fire and bring them to knowledge that their soules may be saued and their life reformed and the State secured wherein they liue 9 And this my poore endeuour in this kind I humbly present to your Lordships vnder whose iurisdiction I exercise my ministery not in affiance of any thing therein worthy your reading whom our Church hath long since knowne to be the same that Eunapius saith of two other in his time 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 nor in hope to escape the disgracefull censures of intermedlers but in zeale to my countrey and assurance that it may do good therein going vnder so HONORABLE protection I am so meane a man and obscure euery way that I feared the truth would sustaine losse and be contemned for my obscuritie if some extraordinary fauor did not leade it forth And let it go forward indeed and shew it selfe abroad hauing THE TRVTH to support it and so acceptable an inscription to go before and the name of so VVORTHY PATRONS to leade it forth And so desiring pardon for this my boldnesse I humbly commit your Lordships to the mercifull protection of Almightie God who long continue your prosperous estate and make you happie instruments of much good vnto his CHVRCH Octob. 29. 1608. Your Lordships in all dutie IOHN WHITE THE PREFACE TO THE READER TOVCHING THE present controuersies betweene vs and the Romish Church IT is not as some thinke touching the questions between the Church of Rome and vs that there is no reall difference Would to God it were so But they that examine the points shall find it farre otherwise 1. Concerning the Scriptures the Church of Rome teacheth that a Can. loc pag. 251. Manie things appertaine to faith and Christian doctrine which neither openly nor obscurely are contained in holy writ b Totalis enim adaequata regula est Scriptura Traditio simul Deinde Traditio parem authoritatem habet cum Scriptura Becan circul Caluin p. 278. For the totall and full rule of our faith is Scripture and Tradition both together Tradition being of equall authoritie with the Scripture This assertion is directly against the doctrine of our Church and leadeth men into pernicious errors pretended to be deliuered by Tradition and withdraweth them from the obedience of onely Scripture to the following of vncertaine authoritie 2. Concerning the iustification of a sinner c Viguer Institut theol p. 286 whereby of a wicked vniust and vncleane person he is made cleane holy and simply iust it teacheth that this is done by the habite of our owne inherent righteousnesse and not by Christs Bellarmine expounding the Councell of Trent saith d De Iustif l. 2. p. 1032. c. Our owne inherent iustice is the formall cause of absolute iustification not the iustice of Christ imputed to vs and e Pag. 1071. d. besides the merits of Christ imputed to vs for our satisfaction there is in vs an inherent iustice which is the true and absolute righteousnesse whereunto by the iust iudgement of God not punishment but glorie is due This opinion containeth so reall a difference from the truth that S. Paule f Gal. 5.4 saith of it Ye are abolished from Christ ye are fallen from grace whosoeuer are iustified by the Law 3. Concerning the merite of our workes it holdeth g Mich. Bai. de merit oper p. 12 that when men hauing conuersed godlily and righteously in this mortall life to the end obtaine eternall life this is not to be deputed to the purpose of Gods grace but to the ordinance of nature appointed presently in the beginning when man was created Neither in this retribution of good things is it looked to the merite of Christ but onely to the first institution of mankind wherein by a naturall law it was set downe that by the iust iudgement of God the keeping of the commandements should be rewarded with life as the breaking of them is punished with eternall death Whereby we see that there is a plaine difference betweene the Church of Rome and vs in the principall article of our faith touching the saluation of our soules we beleeuing stedfastly that it is to be ascribed to the merits of Christ they expecting it for the merite also of their owne works 4. Concerning Images h Concil Trid. sess 25 it practiseth the hauing and worshipping of them yea i Azor. Instit tom 1. p. 737. the Diuines of that Church hold that euery Image is to be honoured with the same honour wherewith they worship the samplar No man can be so simple but he may see a substantiall difference in these points and the like may be shewed in aboue two hundred questions controuerted betweene vs though I will not denie that in many things the heate of the contenders hath deuised differences where there are none and to discredit one another they haue wrested that which might be well vnderstood 2 Besides the Church of Rome not onely requireth vs to professe her faith but also to do it k Bell. de laic c 19. p. 19 9 c. with subiection to the Pope and teacheth l Turrecr quaest ex S. Tho. q. 13. that this is absolutely necessarie to saluation A point so fully opposite to the gouernment of our Church that it can no way be reconciled forsomuch as we know the same to be a meere pretence to hide their tyrannie 3 And as the difference is reall and of long continuance so is there no hope to reconcile it The Papacie that standeth in opposition against vs was brought in by Satan at the first and is still continued onely to seduce the world and m 2. Cor. 6.14 what fellowship hath righteousnesse with
vnrighteousnesse what communion hath light with darknesse or what concord hath Christ with Belial or the temple of God with idols It is in vaine therefore to hope for reconciliation of things so farre vnlike vnlesse our aduersaries would wholly renounce their parts and embrace the truth which n 2. Thess 2.11 they will neuer do Many meanes haue bene vsed but neuer anie could preuaile The Emperours Ferdinand and Maximilian trauelled painfully herein and by their appointment Cassander a great learned Papist drew o Consult de Artic. controu ad Iâ—app a proiect to shew his iudgement And in the time of Charles the fift it was much laboured in Germanie to accord the sides both by Papists and Protestants And it is p Act colloqu Ratisbon an 2â—41 Lindan L de querela pacis Praefat. reported that at a meeting at Regenspurge there was an agreement made of many weighty points touching Free will Originall sinne Iustification Faith Merits Traditions the Masse c. but this held not neither indeed can the wit of man auoide that q 1. Cor. 11.19 2. Thess 2.8 inde which God will haue for the triall of his Church and manifesting of his truth There is in our aduersaries that refractarie frowardnesse that they seeke nothing but to be contrarie vnto vs and euen hate the name of peace This opinion r De Grat. lib. Arb l 5. c. 1. saith Bellarmine we imbrace and defend so much the more willingly by how much it displeaseth our aduersaries and especially Caluin Å¿ Maldon comment in Ioh. 6. Another expounding a place of Scripture saith Though I haue no author for my exposition yet I allow it rather then that of Austin and others though it be most probable because this of mine more crosseth the sence of the Caluinists 4 Hauing therefore to do with aduersaries so contentious with doctrine so pernicious with a Church so diseased it is a better way to examine the questions and betake our selues to the true part then to hope for that which will not be And this was the course that the Christians tooke when the Church in ancient times was vexed with Arianisme and Pelagianisme They were not indifferent which side preuailed but they claue fast to the truth they did not neutralize betweene both they did not idly sit and deride those that contended for the truth they made not the questions of religion the matter of their quarrels and rude discourse in Tauernes and streetes and euery base companie but with godly affection they lamented the Churches trouble and with zealous consciences and earnest prayer and religious endeuour they sought the faith This is the way that all men should take now when the rumor of the contention groweth so great 1. with HVMILITIE to craue at Gods hand the direction of his Spirit 2. then with DILIGENCE to reade and learne the Scripture whereby to iudge 3. and so with LOVE to the persons of the men and with a mind prepared to yeeld to the truth to trauell through the questions The want of which no doubt is the true cause why contentions grow and questions multiply and all things are vncertain For the preachings and writings of learned men are licentiously censured afore they be vnderstood the most people making the same onely a matter to cauill at neuer considering with what religious hands they ought to touch the questions of faith wherin whosoeuer erreth loseth no lesse then his soule thereby The questions of faith and all matters of religion require in such as will profitably exercise themselues therein three things Humilitie of mind because they concern the holy things of God Diligence in attending because they are spiritually discerned and strength of iudgement because enemies and seducers are exceeding cunning to beguile a slothfull examiner and deceiue him that considereth not attentiuely 5 Our aduersaries that manage the Papacie if euer any haue expressed this cunning and skill in perswading and setting forth their heresie so farre that it cannot be denied they haue omitted no art that might set it forth nor no diligence that might adorne it We reade strange things of certaine painters how admirably they cast and shadowed their workes but the skilfullest painters that euer were are our Iesuits and Schoolmen and others the workmen for the Church of Rome Not the famous Zeuxis t Plin. l. 35 c. 9. who wrote vnder his table when he had drawne it that men should sooner enuy then imitate him was to be compared to these painters not the ancient Polignotus nor Parrhasius not Mycon Timanthes Bularchus Phidias did euer bestow such pains on their images as these haue done on their idol the Papacie specially the Iesuite who as Plinie u Lib. 35. c. 10. noteth of Parthasius is soecundus artifex sed quo nemo insolentius arrogantius sit vsus gloria artis a workman full of deuice but no man vseth the reputation of his skil more proudly and arrogantly then he Zeuxis being to make the image of Iuno to hang vp in her temple chose out certain virgins to put the seuerall beautie of them all into his picture so haue these painters made choise of the exquisitest deuices that all the heresy in the world could yeeld to put the same into their religion no policie in Machiauell nor Sophistry in Aristotle nor eloquence in Rhetorick but they haue contriued it into their Image that saue truth and sinceritie there is nothing wanting Tertullian saith As the Gentiles with their hands so heretickes with their words are the makers of idols for euery lie that they speake of God is a kind of idolatry The Prophet Esay x C. 44. v. 12. setteth downe a liuely description of this matter The Smith taketh an instrument and worketh in the coles and fasteneth it with hammers and worketh it with the strength of his armes the Carpenter stretcheth out a line he fashioneeh it with a thred and plaineth it and pourtrayeth it with the compasse and maketh it after the figure of a man and according to the beauty of a man that it may remaine in a house He heweth him downe Cedars and Pine trees and Okes and he taketh thereof and burneth it and warmeth himselfe and baketh his bread yet he maketh a god and worshippeth it an idol and boweth downe before it he burneth the halfe of it in the fire and vpon the half of it he eateth his meate he rosteth it and is satisfied also he warmeth himselfe and saith Aha I am warm I haue bin at the fire and the residue therof he maketh a god euen his idol wherto he boweth yea he worshippeth and prayeth vnto it saying Deliuer me for thou art my god In which words the God of heauen deriding the Gentile doth very fitly shew vs the idolatry of Rome and the maner how the idol religion therof was framed and set on foote At the first it was but a rude block and ragged trunk rough hewne by
there is why they should disdaine vs supposing we had lesse learning then we haue Irenaeus f L. 2. c. 45. hath a saying which I commend vnto them when they thinke they haue so much vantage of learning against vs It is better and more profitable to be simple and of small knowledge and by loue to approach neare God then to thinke themselues to know much and to be of high experience and in the meane while to be found blasphemers against God 11 We know no cause therefore why we should not constantly and cheerfully go forward with our profession and confirme our selues daily more and more therin against all the premises and oppositions of the Romane Church whatsoeuer First we haue the Scripture in manifest places free from all ambiguitie on our side secondly we haue the principles of religion contained in the Lords praiers the Creed and the ten Commandements that directly leadeth to euery point of our faith Which is the true reason why the Church of Rome forbiddeth the reading and exercise of these things to the people lest they should see so much Thirdly we haue the ancient fathers in expresse termes in all things that they held constantly certainly with one consent I do not deny but our aduersaries in some smaller points as Purgatory praier for the dead may make shew of some particular opinions in the fathers but vpon triall it will fall out they held theÌ„ waueringly doubtfully that no certainty can be set downe touching their resolute iudgement Whereas in the principall points touching the Scriptures iustification merit of workes images and all the rest they write most clearely with vs. Fourthly and which may perswade any man not drunken with his owne preiudice we haue the mercies of God to pleade for vs whereby our Church hath bene miraculously vpholden when they threatned God defended vs when they practised and expected our vtter ruine God disappointed them when they wrought all maner of treasons yet God deliuered vs. Fiftly and this is our further assurance that we haue done nothing against the Church of Rome but innumerable people in all ages wished it long ago What ceremony what doctrine what custome what one parcell of their superstition haue we refused but the world long since complained of it yea the learnedst men that were groned vnder the very burthens that we haue haue shaken off g Evetusto quoâ—am libro refert Illyric catolog test tom 2. p. 805. It is written of Gerson the Chauncellor of Paris who liued about one hundred yeares before Luther that the Sorbonists expulsed him the Vniuersitie and in his old age depriued him of all his d gnitiesâ— because as it is like he misliked diuers errors in the Church of Rome What time he betooke himselfe to teaching of schoole wherein his manner was daily to cause all his schollers the little children to ioyne with him in this short praier My God my maker haue mercy vpon thy miserable seruant Gerson It should seeme by this that he tooke small comfort in those times when forsaking all confidence in the glory of his Church he would call for mercy at the hands of God rather in the company of a few poore childreÌ„ then in the societie of such as were reputed the Doctors of the world And it may easily be thought Gerson saw more then he either loued or liked because the moderne Papists reiect his iudgement h Resp Card. Bellar. ad resolut Io. Gerson confute his writings and i Fra. Victoria relect 4. p. 138. say This Doctor in all things was an enemie to the Popes authoritie and with his heresie infected many others His opinion touching this matter little different from schisme Yea at this day they see more errors then they will reforme O God saith k Naucler pag. 499. one of their Historiographers what will become of our age when our vices are grown to that that they haue scarce left vs any place with God for mercy What couetousnesse is therein Priests what lust what ambition what idlenes what pompe what ignorance both of theÌ„selues and of Christian doctrine how little religion and fained rather then true God haue mercy on vs. 12 And hâ—â—â— omitting the way that is by triall of arguments I offer certaine externall markes and sensible tokens whereby the falshood of the Romane Church may be discouered the most resolute Papist that liueth moued to misdoubt his owne religion for it is vnpossible that these things following should be found in the true Church or practised by men of the right faith The first is their enmitie with the sacred Scriptures the word of God whereof I haue spoken in the 22. Digression of this booke For the words l Esa 8.20 of the Prophet are cleare To the Law to the Testimony if they speake not according to that word it is because there is no light in them And one of their practises against it whereby they haue depriued it froÌ„ being the totall rule hath left theÌ„ vtterly voide of all meanes to secure their faith by and to find the truth For the Church the fathers the Councels the Pope which is all they can pretend are yeelded by themselues to be subiect to error And how can that giue them assurance of their faith which it selfe is not assured from error The second is the very face and outward state and gouernment of their Church cleane contrary to the first antiquitie How vnlike is their Pope to Peter their Cardinals to the Apostles their Prelates to the ancient Bishops in state in ambition in intermedling This is noted at large by many among themselues Zabarella Cusanus Marsilius Occham Duarenus How vnlike is their priuate Masse halfe Communion Latin Seruice Image worship to the ancient Seruice of the Church of God If it were the true Church no continuance of time could thus haue altered it age changeth the colour of a mans haire and the sound of his voice but not his complexion or the shape of his bodie The third is that THERE IS NO POINT OF OVR FAITH BVT MANY LEARNED IN THEIR OWNE CHVRCH HOLD IT WITH VS AND NO POINT OF PAPISTRIE THAT WE HAVE REIECTED BVT SOME OF THEMSELVES HAVE MISLIKED IT AS WELL AS WE And this may be demonstrated in all the questions that are betweene vs and they know it and for that cause haue purged and razed the principall bookes of the elder Papists and some of them they haue vtterly forbidden In the bookes of latter Catholickes also m Index librorum prohib p. 25. §. 3. saith the Index which were written since the yeare 1515. if that which needeth correcting can be amended by taking away or adding of a few things let the correctors see it be done but otherwise let it be wholly razed out The fourth is that the most points of Papistrie are directly and at the first sight absurd and against common sence and the law of nature For who can conceiue
that it should be the Popes right to Lord it thus ouer the Scriptures Fathers Councels Church and all the world What possibility is there that the kingdomes of the world should be subiect to him What likelyhood is there that Images should be worshipped our workes should merit heauen the cup should not be allowed to the people the Seruice should be in a language vnknowne the Body of Christ should be in ten thousand places at once the Priest should haue iudiciall power to forgiue sinnes the Saints in heauen should be made mediators for vs to God He that will indifferently compare these and many points more shall finde them manifestly against the principles of religion and the light of nature What man can thinke it to be the true Church that teacheth to equiuocate to murther the King to pay no debts to BLOW VP THE PARLIAMENT to dispense with murther and whoredome The fift is their intemperate and vnchristian proceeding against vs. For if they were of the truth they would not defend themselues and confute vs with grosse lying vncharitable railing and irreconcileable malice which are the weapons of darkenesse but with grauitie and sinceritie as becometh Christs Gospell Who will beleeue that any can be so impious that holdeth there is a God as to make him the author of sinne and yet n Posseuin bibl select p. 533. they shame not to say we do it Who can thinke that any man is so absurd as to deny the necessitie of good workes and a godly life and yet they say our Church doth it There is very little of our doctrine but maliciously they traduce and misreport it That we haue neede to put them in minde of Philoxenus the Poet o Hesych Illust vit philosoph in Arcesilao who hearing certaine Potters singing his verses vndecently brake their pots For saith he I breake your pots and you marre my verses What truth or sinceritie is it to publish abrode to the world that in England Catholickes so they call themselues vntruly are so cruelly persecuted p Nonnullae de castissimis virginib vestris in Lupanaria aliaque loca inhonesta praeclarissima in hoc Agnetis Luciaeque virginum exempla secutae protrusae sunt Alan consolat pag. 159. That young women which are found to be of that religion are put into the stewes and such like vntruthes mentioned thicke and threefold in their q Concert eccl Cathol writings r Aquiponta de Antichristo p. 110. post Sander visib monarch l. 7. p. 664 That ten thousand Churches and aboue are ouerthrowne more then two hundred Martyrs slaine an infinite multitude of all sorts and sexes imprisoned banished and bereaued of their goods One Cardinall three Archbishops eighteene Bishops one Abbot foure Priours foure whose Couents thirteene Deanes foureteene Archdeacons six hundred Priests seuentie seuen Doctors one Queene eight Earles ten Barons sixe and twentie Knights foure hundred Gentlemen What could they haue said more if Queene Elizabeth had bene as cruell as Queene Marie was against vs in her time Yea their hatred against vs is such that they hold vs to be ſ See Lindan de suga idol possesse◠not simply seduced but euen possessed by the diuell and thereupon when any of vs reuolteth to the Papacie and is reconciled to them they haue an order to exorcize the party t Pontifical Rom. pag. 206. who kneeling vpon his knees the Bishop saith I coniure thee vncleane spirit by the name of God that thou depart out of this seruant of God whō he hath vouchsafed to deliuer frō thy errors and to bring backe to his holy Church he cōmandeth thee thou cursed and damned spirit who suffered for the saluation of man c. Besides their malicious u Staplet promptuar moral aestiu pag. 493. Answer to the libel of Engl. Iust pag. 170. inde threatning of the peace of our Land euen then when it had the happiest time and vnnaturall treasons against vs shew the true sanctification of Gods spirit not to be among them which teacheth meekenesse and forbearance not rankor and impatience and rebellion Saue that hauing said x Id. They were but thriftlesse yonkers vulgar readers common persons that would not be perswaded our countrey and state to be in the greatest and most daungerous termes in the Queenes time that euer it was since or before the conquest and in far worse then any countrey in Christendome it pleased God by the coming of his Maiestie to deride these their Prophecies and in scorne thereof at this day we enjoy the very same peace and libertie that we then had 13 The sixt is the prodigious ignorance whereinto they fall that liue in Papistry For as their Church commendeth it so their people follow it most desperatly euen in the chiefest things touching their saluation I will not speake how vnable they are to render account of the faith to vnderstand the points of the Catechisme to iudge of things lawfull and vnlawfull and such like I will only mention what I saw and learned dwelling among them concerning the saying of their prayers for what man is he whose heart trembleth not to see simple people so farre seduced that they know not how to pronounce or say their daily prayers or so to pray as all that heare them shall be filled with laughter And while superstitiously they refuse to pray in their owne language with vnderstanding they speake that which their leaders may blush to heare These examples I haue obserued from the common people * The maner how the vulgar sort of people addicted to Papistry say their praiers the which I haue obserued by liuing and conuersing with them and set downe for no other purpose but to note the pitiful ignorance and confusion whereinto the Church of Rome plungeth her children Non verenda reteg◠sed inuerecūda resuto vtinam nobis reliquerint moderni Noc vnde à nobis possent aliquaten operiti Bern. ep 42. The Creed Creezum zuum patrum onitentem creatorum eius anicum Dominum nostrum qui cum sops virigini Mariae crixus fixus Ponchi Pilati audubitiers morti by sonday father a fernes sclerest vn iudicarum finis a mortibus Creezum spirituum santum ecli Cathóli remissurum peccaturum communiorum obliutorum hitam turnam again The little Creed Little Creed can I need Kneele before our Ladies knee Candle light candles burne Our Ladie prayed to her deare Sonne That we might all to heauen come Little Creed Amen This that followeth they call the White Pater noster White Pater noster Saint Peters brother What hast i' th t 'one hand white booke leaues What hast i' th t'other hand heauen yate keyes Open heauen yates and * Shut steike hell yates And let euery crysom child creepe to it owne mother White Pater noster Amen Another Prayer I blesse me with God and the rood With his sweet flesh and precious blood With his Crosse and his
were receiued n Bern. Senens ser 51. c. 3. Another saith that Christ was incarnate more for the redemption of the blessed virgine then for all mankind besides Bozius o De sign eccl tom 1. pag. 679. 681. saith The victory obtained ouer the diuell is to be ascribed altogether to Christ himselfe but by Christ it must also principally be ascribed to the virgine Mary Seeing the blessed Virgine is the most noble part of the Church it is chiefly referred to her to be Heuab which signifieth the mother of the liuing namely because by the vertue of Christ Marie principally giueth eternall life to mankind and through her we increase in the faith and are multiplied in charitie and replenish heauen By the two Cherubins vpon the Arke were signified Christ and Marie through whom God is mercifull and heareth our prayers There must needs be something in the Church to answer those old ceremonies Wherefore in the Church there must needs be some woman who being blessed with Christs gift and merits may beare all men to God and by whom God may be mercifull to vs. But this that Galatinus writeth deserueth the noting he saith p De Arcan Cathol verit pag. 489. that FOR THE LOVE OF IESVS AND MARY GOD CREATED THE WORLD For the loue of the vndefiled Virgine who is the wisedome of the world God made heauen and earth and it was not onely made for her loue but also preserued for it could no way stand our deeds are so euill BVT THAT SHE BY PRAYING FOR VS MERCIFVLLY VPHOLDETH IT * Pag. 515. Adam following sinne incurred death but the glorious Virgine and her Sonne being no partakers of Adams sinne and altogether free from originall sinne of right were to be impassible and immortall But forsomuch as the death of Christ was needfull for the redemption of mankind therefore it was necessary that the body of Christ should be passible and mortall and so likewise the immaculate Virgine being to beare a Sonne passible and mortall which was to be one flesh with her and that could not naturally be if she were impassible and immortall therefore she was also necessarily mortall and so both the mother and the sonne died THE DEATH AND PASSION OF CHRIST AND THE HOLY VIRGIN WAS FOR THE REDEMPTION OF MANKIND It was impossible she should haue died afore the passion of her Sonne The second reason is that SHE ALSO MIGHT COME BETWEENE God and vs FOR THE REMISSION OF SINNE seeing all things must come betweene for the remission that came betweene when Adam did it Thus they ioyne the virgine Marie with Christ in the very worke of our redemption and ascribe to her no lesse then to him the execution of all Gods mercies toward vs. Brigit in her reuelations q Pag. 21. saith the virgin Mary told her that AS ADAM AND EVE SOLD THE WORLD FOR ONE APPLE * Filius meus ego redemimus mundum quasi cúm vno corde SO HER SONNE AND SHE REDEEMED THE WORLD WITH ONE HEART Thus they haue ioyned a creature with Christ and giuen his honour to another yea that honour of redeeming and sustaining the Church which no creature is capable of And this idolatry they haue committed not with the blessed Virgine alone who is blessed and honorable though not to be worshipped but her selfe worshipped him that was borne of her flesh r Lib. 3. saith Epiphanius but euen with the basest of their Saints that we may know in what vile account they hold Christ the Sauiour ſ Lib. Conform Francis pa. 304. They say he imprinted his fiue wounds vpon Francis of Assise the Frier as if he also were to suffer for the world and redeeme mankind and market t Posseuin bibl select p. 295. the verses of Tursellinus the Iesuite concerning the same Exue Franciscum tunica laceroque cucullo Qui Franciscus erat iam tibi Christus erit Francisci exuuiis si quâ licet indue Christum Iam Franciscus erit qui modò Christus erat Strip Francis from his coate and cowle all nak'd and you shall see He that euen Saint Francis was to Christ will turned be Againe put Francis coate and cowle on Christ and marke the lier He that euen now was Iesus Christ will Francis be the Frier The same conceit or a worse u Boz de sign eccles tom 2. pag. 200. is thus expressed by another Iesuit Fr. Bencius Sancte patrum spirans Christi exspirantis imago Tempore quam nullo deleat vlla dies Quas etenim fers ipse manus fers ipse pedesque Has tulit ille manus has tulit ille pedes Nec minus teli transfixum cuspide pectus Quale tibi patulo pectore vulnus biat Cuncta estis similes illum qui fortè verentur Reddere te saltem cur imitentur habent O holy Francis that of Christ dying vpon the tree The very breathing image art for euer so to be What hands thou bear'st what feet thou hast such hands such feet had he And such a wound wide in his brest as in thy brest we see In all things you are both alike that he which is ashamed Him t' imitate may follow him at least and not be blamed Out of all this the Reader must obserue what the Church of Rome ascribeth to Saints and how farre they intrude them into the office of Christ and then take a scantling thereby of the religion and iudge whether it be the Church of God that offereth this iniury to his Sonne 15 Let people therefore open their eyes and view the Papacie a title better how it hath incroched vpon heauen and earth that not the God of heauen or the states of the world or the consciences of men haue escaped the malice thereof but it is busily doing with them all the which me thinketh should moue them if no other thing could be obiected For what tyrannie and vsurpation is it thus to loade the world with their traditions and fill the Church with more then Iewish idolatry and superstition Moreouer what had the Councell of Trent to do now after 1500. yeares to make a new Creede and profession of faith which euen the people of their owne Church were neuer bound to before This is a point worth the looking at that the Bishop of Rome should take vpon him to adde twelue more articles to the Creed and to bind men by oath and confession to receiue them This sheweth him to be the same x 2. Thess 2.4 that sitteth in the Temple of God exalting himselfe aboue all that is God and his people to be in a miserable state that must haue the matter of their faith increased diminished and changed at his deuotion I will let downe this new Creed word for word that such as haue not seene it may consider thereof and see the new faith which the Pope hath taught his children Thus it lieth in the Popes y Bulla Pij 4. super
bookes among them that examine their religion h Annot. on Act. 17. v. 11. The Rhemists say the hearers must not trie and iudge whether their teachers doctrine be true or no neither may they reiect that which they find not in the Scripture And this is also commonly defended by i Hosius de express Dei verb. Andrad defens Trident. l. 2. others And whereas k Prolegom cont Petrum à Sot Et Confess Wittenber cap. de sacr scriptur Brentius had written no lesse godly then truly that in the matters of our saluation we might not so cleaue to another mans opinion that we should embrace it without the approofe of our owne iudgement and it belongs to euery priuate man to iudge of the doctrine of religion and to discerne the truth from falshood l Bellarm. de verb. Dei lib. 3. c. 3. the Iesuites very scornefully reiect his saying 5 Thirdly they extoll ignorance to the skies and encourage their people to it m Rhem. annot â—n 1. Cor. 14. on Luk. 12. v. 11. They require no knowledge of the things we pray for but preferre ignorance nor yet abilitie to professe the particulars of our faith when possible we are to die in the defence of the same farre contrary to that which n 1. Pet. 3.15 the scripture so plainly teacheth And the rather to hearten the people in this blindnesse o Rhem. vpon 1. Ioh. 2. v. 20. they promise them a part in other mens gifts graces which haue knowledge p Conf. Petrie cap. 14. pag. 18. Hosius saith To know nothing is to know all things and ignorance in most things is best of all 6 This is the whole entire faith mentioned here in the Iesuites discourse whereby nothing is meant but the Colliars faith whereof q Apologie transtated by Staplet part 1. pag. 53. I spake and Staphylus writeth thus The Colliar being at the point of death and tempted of the diuell what his faith was answered I beleeue and die in the faith of Christs Church being againe demaunded what the faith of Christs Church was that faith said he that I beleeue in Thus the diuell getting no other answer was ouercome and put to flight By this faith of the Colliar euery vnlearned man may trie the spirits of men whether they be of God or no by this faith he may resist the diuell and iudge the true interpretation from the false and discerne the Catholicke from the hereticall minister the true doctrine from the forged I could scarce beleeue this to be their doctrine of entire faith vpon the report of so base a companion as Staphylus but when I saw the same conceit as grauely set foorth by r Hosius contra proleg Brentij lib. 3. pag. 146. Pigh hierarch lib. 1. cap. 5. Iacob de Graffijs decision part 1. lib. 1. cap. 26. nu 34. Antonin part 1. tit 5. c. 2. §. 1. skilfuller clearkes then he then I perceiued the Colliars faith was canonized for the Papists creed and the prouerb true that Like to like were the diuell and the colliar saue that it hath brought such a flood of ignorance vpon their people that Å¿ Imman Sa. aphor verbo Parochus pag. 298. a Doctor of their owne cries out vpon all the clergie for it Wo to our Parish Priests wo to our Bishops wo to our Prelates 7 And wo to them indeed from him that so plentifully in t Es 53.11 Ioh. 17.3 Ro. 10.14.17 Col. 3.16 Heb. 5.11 the Scriptures hath condemned this ignorance and in vaine did Christ u Ioh 5.39 commaund the people to search the Scriptures and x Rom. 15.4 Ioh 20.31 Paul and Iohn teach that whatsoeuer things are written were written for our learning and that we might beleeue if to assent to the Church without any knowledge thereof were a sound whole and an entire faith y Enarrat in Psalm 118. Hilary saith Many thinke the simplicitie of their faith shall suffice to accomplish their hope of eternall life as if the studie of innocencie according to the iudgement of the world needed not the precepts of heauenly doctrine It is written of z 2 Tim. 3.15 Timothy and a Basil Aschet prolog de iudic Dei Et epis 75. ad Neocaesar Basil that of children they were trained vp in the knowledge of the mysteries of religion And in the Primitiue Church b Iust Martyr apolog 2. Euse demonstrat euang l. 1. c. 6. Theod. de curand GraecoruÌ„ affect l. 5. the doctrines and seuerall points of religion were knowne and discoursed by the meanest of the people and c Chrysos hom 3. in Lazarum Orig in Num. hom 27. the Bishops exhorted them thereunto which practise declareth manifestly enough that in those dayes knowledge of the things beleeued was thought necessary to an entire faith though now the case be altered in the Church of Rome and the Iesuites owne reasons proue as much for d Thom. 22. qu. 1. art 10. 3. Athanasius creed is a rule of faith and therefore sheweth we are bound both to beleeue and know the things contained in it else he might as well haue pointed downe the Colliars creed Againe to what purpose should God propound all the points of our faith one as well as another vnlesse his will were that we should learne them all according to e Deut. 29.29 that of Moses Secret things belong to the Lord our God but the things reuealed belong to vs and to our children that we may do all the words of the law f In Ioh. tract 21. Austins saying is to be noted Some may obiect we do rashly in discussing and searching out the words of God but why are they vttered if they may not be knowne why haue they sounded if they may not be heard and why are they heard but that we should vnderstand them § 3. Fourthly as this one infallible entire faith is necessarie to the saluation of euery one as well the vnlearned as the learned so we must say that Almightie God Qui vult omnes homines saluos fieri ad cognitionem veritatis venire 1. Tim. 2. hath for proofe that this for his part is a true will prouided some certaine and infallible rule and meanes whereby euery man learned and vnlearned may sufficiently in all points questions or doubts of faith be infallibly instructed what is to be holden for true faith and that the onely cause why a man misseth of the true faith is that he doth not seeke and finde this infallible rule or hauing found it will not with an obedient mind captiuate his vnderstanding selfe-iudgement and contrarie opinion in obsequium Christi for the seruice of Christ and in all points yeeld infallible assent vnto it as euery Christian ought Credamus Deo saith S. Chrysostome hom 83. in Matth. nec repugnemus etiamsi sensui cogitationi nostrae absurdum videatur quod dicit Let vs beleeue God without
admonish one another that there is more strength to confute heretickes in traditions then in the Scripture yea all disputations with them must be determined by traditions so little hope haue they of receiuing any vantage by the Scripture Therfore Bristow dealt surely and circumspectly for his Romane faith a Mot. vltim where teaching his scholler how to deale with a Protestant he biddeth him first get the proud hereticke out of his weake and false castle of onely Scripture into the plaine field of traditions miracles Councels and Fathers and then like cowards they shal not stand For I dare vndertake on a Papists behalfe that put the Scripture to silence and set the Pope as iudge and giue him authoritie to make and repeale lawes to vse traditions approue Councels expound Fathers and Scriptures declare the Churches mind b Papa dicitur coeleste habere arbitrium sententiam quae nulla est facit aliquam De translat episco C. Quanto in Glossa make something of that which is nothing and to vse his will for a lawfull reason and finally as Stapleton c Princip doctr fidei in praefat speaketh let vs imagine that we heare God himselfe speaking in him and therefore vpon his authoritie teaching vs the foundation of our religion must be laid and as Bristow wisely foreseeth the Protestants shall be proued to be cowardly conuicted hereticks indeed Saue that he did not foresee how by confessing so much of his religion to rely onely on tradition and the credit of his Church he hath debarred himselfe and all Papists for alledging the text for it and any man of meane capacitie will easily conceiue what small comfort can be in that religion which is thus acknowledged to haue no warrant from the Scripture And we Protestants cannot but note their conscience and smile at their confidence which are so loud in alledging texts for that which they know and graunt cannot be proued but by tradition and D. Saunders was but in an Irish fit when he cried out so vehemently d Rock of the Church pa. 193. How vnhappie are men now a dayes that hauing most plaine Scriptures not such as possible needs the Churches declaration but most plaine and expresse Scripture not in some which e Multoque maxima pars euangelij peruenit ad nos traditione perexigua literis est mandara Hosius confess c. 92. vide Eck. ench c. 4. de scriptur other Papists could haue bene câ—ntent with but in all points for the Catholicke faith and none at all against the same yet they pretend by the very Scriptures to ouercome the Catholickes If this had bene true traditions should haue bene in lesse account then now they are and the Scriptures more allowed Digress 5. Wherin against the Iesuits conceit secretly implied in his first conclusion it is shewed that the Scriptures ought to be translated into the mother tongue and so read indifferently by the lay people of all sorts 9 If the Iesuite by his generall exception against our English translation meant also to gird at the reading of the Scriptures in the mother tongues and the permission thereof to the common people according to the conceit of f Bellarm. de verbo Dei l. 2. c. 15. Rhem. praefat Staphy apol Petes de tradit part 2. assert 3. pag 43. Ouand breuilo in 4. dist 13. prop. 13. l. edesima c. such as very odiously exclaime against it for that the translated Bibles be in the hands of euery husbandman artificer prentise boy girle mistris maid man c you haue at hand wherewith to answer him For in vaine were the Scriptures giuen vs g Mat. 4 4.7 10. Ephes 6.17 to be our armour against Satan if we might not be exercised in them in vaine are we commaunded h Deut. 6.7 13.12 Ios 1.8 Ioh. 5.39 to search them if they may not be translated for our vnderstanding in vaine are we taught i Col. 3.16 2. Cor. 8.7 2. Pet. 1.5 Heb. 5.12 to abound in knowledge and vnderstanding if the Scripture k Psa 19.7 Prou. 1.2 2. Tim. 3.15 the meanes thereof be holden from vs and in vaine haue the words of Christ and his Church called them l Digress 3. the Rule if we may not vse them or if as Duraeus m Confut. resp Whitak 1. â—at 5. pag. 148. writeth God had left vs not the bookes of the Scriptures but Pastors and doctors or as n Apolo part 2. transl by Stapl. pag. 76. Staphylus counselleth a Portesse containing I know not what parcels were sufficient or if Hosius the Cardinall lie not that o De sacr Vernac legend ignorance of the things we beleeue is worthy not onely of forgiuenesse but also of reward and p De express Dei verbo pag. 91. it is fitter for women to meddle with their distaffe then Gods word 10 But whatsoeuer the conceit of these men may be certaine it is and the Ecclesiasticall stories make it cleare that in the Primitiue church the word of God was not onely permitted the lay people to reade but also for that cause translations were prouided and they called vpon to be diligent in them of what estate soeuer they were q 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Socrat. l. 4. c. 33. Vlphilas a Bishop of the Goths translated the Scriptures into their language that so the barbarians might learne the words of God saith Socrates Auentinus r Annal. l. 4. sayth that Methodius translated them into the Slauonian tongue Å¿ Homil. 1. in Ioh. Chrysostome mentioneth Syrian Egyptian Indian Persian and Ethiopian translations yea others innumerable t De Curand Graecorum affect l. 5 Theodoret saith the Bible was turned into all languages vsed in the world Greeke Latin Egyptian Persian Indian Armenian Scythian Sarmatian which is also proued by this that diuers bookes and fragments of them are extant to this day And concerning our owne nation u Eccles hist gent. Angl. l. 1. c. 1. Bede sheweth that of old it had the Scriptures in all the languages thereof And finally x Rhem. praefac the Papists themselues cannot denie but this was the vse of those auncient times Let the testimonie of Austine be noted for the clearing of the point y De doctrin Christian l. 2. c. 5. It is come to passe that the Scripture wherewith so many diseases of mens wil are holpen proceeding from one tongue which fitly might be dispersed through the world being spread farre and wide by meanes of the diuers languages whereunto it is translated is thus made knowne to nations for their saluation the which when they reade they desire nothing else but to attaine to the mind of him that wrote it and so to the will of God according to the which we beleeue such men spake And what is more common with z Chrysos hom 3. de Laz. ho. 9. ad Coloss hom 2. 5. in Matth. hom 29.
in Gen. the Fathers then to call vpon the people to get them Bibles to reade them to examine that they heare by theÌ„ and sharply to rebuke the negligence of such as did it not 11 It is a common reproch layd vpon our people that they reade the Scriptures in their houses and the translations thereof be nothing else but profanations of the Bible and this gracelesse conceit like blasphemous Atheists they vrge as z Nunc haec Scripturarum profanatio verius quà m translatio non soluÌ„ zonaâ—ios bouilos pistores saitores sutores verùm etiaÌ„ zonarias bouilas pistrices sattrices sutrices facit nobis apostolas prophetissas doctrices Hos de sacro vernac legend pag. 162. rudely exclaiming withall a Alphons Castrens de punit haeret l. 3. c. 6. Ouand breuil in 4. d. 13. prop. 13. that this is a principall cause to increase heresie and such like all which being compared with the practise of the Primitiue and Apostolicke Church you may freely iudge how truly the Iesuite saith b §. afterward his Romane church neuer altered any one point of religioÌ„ For thus writeth c De curand Graecorum affect l. 5. Theodoret of his times You shall euery where see these points of our faith to be knowne and vnderstood not onely by such as are teachers in the Church but euen of coblers and smithes and websters and all kind of artificers yea all our women not they onely which are booke-learned but they also that get their liuing with their needle yea maidseruants and waiting women and not citizens onely but husbandmen of the countrey are very skilfull in these things yea you may heare among vs ditchers and neat-heards and woodsetters discoursing of the Trinitie and the creation c. The like is reported by others And what maruell for the laitie was accustomed to the text of the Bible as wel as the learned yong children and women as well as others and d Hosius de expres Dei verbo his doctrine that was president in the Trent conspiracie that a distaffe was fitter for women then the Bible was not yet hatched e Socrat. l. 5. c. 8 Nicep l. 12. c. 12. Nectarius of a Iudge was made Bishop of Constantinople and f Socrat. l. 4. c. 30. Nicep l. 11. c. 32. Ambrose of a Deputie Bishop of Millan g Photius epist ad Nicol. Pap. apud Baron to 10. an 862. nu 47. Gregorie the father of Nazianzene and Thalassius the Bishop of Caesarea of lay men were made Bishops which shewes how diligent lay men were in the word of God that they could be able to sustaine the office of a Bishop h Euseb lib. 6. c. 3. Origen from his childhood was taught the Scriptures and gat them without booke and questioned with his father Leonides a holy martyr who reioyced in it about the difficult sences thereof So i Basil epist 74. Macrina Basils nurse taught him the Scripture of a child after the example of Timothy and k Georg. Laodic apud Sozom l. 3. c. 6. Emesenus from his infancy was vsed to the word of God l Niceph. Callist l. 8. c. 14. Many lay men among whom was the famous Paphnutius being very learned came to the Nicene councell m Nazianz. orat funeb in Gorgon Gorgonia the sister of Nazianzene was well learned Hierom n Epitaph Paulae writes of Paula a gentlewoman how she set her maides to learne the Scripture and many of his writings are directed to women commending their labour in the Scripture and encouraging them thereto as to Paula Eustochium Saluina Celantia c. which he would not haue done if he had bene a Papist o Cyril Alexand contra Iulian lib. 6. It was the reproch that Iulian the apostata laid on the Christians that their women were medlers with the Scriptures and from him the Papists haue borrowed it But p Col. 3.16 the Apostles counsell is rather to be followed Let the word of Christ dwell in you plentifully in all wisedome teaching and admonishing your selues Vpon which place saith Hierom Hence we see that lay men must haue the knowledge of the Scriptures and teach one another not onely sufficiently but also abundantly And the Greeke scholiast Christ will haue his doctrine dwell in vs very plentifully and that by searching the Scripture § 6. First because they faile in the first condition which I said before was requisite For thee translations are not infallible as the rule of faith must be For neither were the Scriptures immediatly written by the holy Ghost in this language neither were the translators assisted by the same Spirit infallibly infallibly I say that is in such sort as it were impossible they should erre in any point Since therefore the translator as being but a man may erre to say nothing of that which by Gregorie Martin is proued by the often change and variable translations is shewed that some haue erred how can a man and especially an vnlearned man who hath not sufficient learning meanes nor leisure to compare the translation with the prime authenticall 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or originall be infallibly sure that this particular translation which I haue or you haue do not erre And if in some places it erre how can I he infallibly sure that in there places which do seeme to fauour your side it doth not erre vnlesse you will admit an infallible authoritie in the Church to assure vs that such or such a translation doth not erre of which authoritie I shall say more hereafter The Answer 1 This section containeth the Iesuites first argument to proue that the Scriptures translated into English cannot be the rule of faith and thus it may be concluded The rule is infallible and free from error But the English translation is not infallible and free froÌ„ error Therfore the English translation is not the rule Whereunto I briefly answer two things the first is that the conclusion may be granted for we do not thinke this or that translation to be the rule and iudge but onely that it is a means whereby the diuine truth which is the rule is made knowne to vs for we put a difference betweene the doctrine taught in the Scripture and the meanes whereby the doctrine is vttered to our capacitie as betweene things and words The former is the rule the latter the vessell wherein the rule is presented to vs which in the originall is perfect but in all translations defectiue more or lesse See my answer to § 5. nu 1. 2. 2 Next to the argument that our translations are not infallible I answer An edition or translâ—tion of the Scripture may be erronious many wayes and one way is in respect of the words onely and not of the sence for so it may be corrupt that is to say not altogether so perfect as it should be Now this doth nothing hinder the truth of the matter or the
point of the sence For we know the diuine doctrine to be one and the same in all translations immediatly in the originall and more obscurely in the translations and therefore we so vse them as that we examine all by the originall approuing the best and not hindering the mending of it if need require But this change implies no such error in the matter For one true sence may be vttered diuersly and though things be alwayes one and the same yet words be diuers In which sence our translations are of differeÌ„t sort and yet no materiall error As for example some playner or in phrase liker the original then othersome One translation is in verse another in prose one word for word another sence for sence one hath a higher obscurer phrase another a lower and playner yet how can it be inferred hereupon that therfore they be erronious when they all yeeld the same diuine sence Therefore Austins iudgement is more to be preferred who saith i De doctrin Christ lib. 2. c. 12. 14. the variety and multitude of translations doth not hinder vs from vnderstanding the text but very much helpe vs specially if we shall diligently compare them one with another And what shal become of the popish Authenticall vulgar if change and varietie be a signe of error which so often was changed before it came to that it is and since the Trent approbation hath so many different copies Yea what shall become of their Missals Portesses and Seruice bookes that so many times haue bin reformed and more should be but that the Seruice of the Church would be altered so farre that scarce any shew of the ancient Religion would be remaining in it k Loc. lib. 11. cap. 5. saith Canus a Popish Doctor 8 But the Iesuite obiecteth further that seeing the translatour being but a man may erre how shall an vnlearned man be infallibly sure that this or that translation erreth not or if it erre in on point that it doth not in another vnlesse the Churches authoritie be admitted to assure vs Whereto I answer l Psal 119 105. Prou. 6.23 2. Pet. 1.19 that the doctrine conteyned in the Scripture is a light and so abideth into what language soeuer it be translated and therefore the children of light know it and discerne it For m Ioh. 10.4 1. Cor. 2.15 1. Ioh. 2 20. Ioh. 7.17 14.16.17 God directeth them by the holy Ghost who openeth their hearts that they know his voice from all others and that the light of his truth may shine vnto theÌ„ Which light is of this nature that it giueth testimonie to it selfe and receiueth authoritie from no other as the Sunne is not seene by any light but his owne and we discerne sweet from sowre by it owne tast And for the opening of our eyes to see this light whereby our conscience may be assured we haue diuers meanes some priuate as skill in the tongues learning labour prayer conference c. Some publicke as the ministery of the word which is the ordinance of God to beget this assurance which act of the Church is not authoritie to secure me but ministery to shew me that which shall secure me which ministery is founded on the Scripture it selfe in that from thence it fetcheth the reasons that may perswade me and sheweth the light that doth infallibly assure me And thus we know our translations to be true Digression 6. Declaring how the assurance of our faith is not built on the Churches authoritie but on the illumination of Gods spirit shining in the Scripture it selfe 9 So then the vnlearned man is secured not vpon the Churches credit and authoritie but by her ministery which teacheth him he is directed to the light it selfe and this ministery we haue and vse for our translations but they that obey it know the translation and so proportionably all other articles of faith to be infallible because the matter therof appeares vnto them as a candle in a lanterne shewing it selfe in it owne light And that you may see the difference betweene these two the Churches teaching and the illumination of the spirit in assuring vs the spirit of God is an inward meanes the teaching of the Church an outward the spirit secureth vs by his owne authoritie the Church directeth vs by her ministery the spirit hath light in it selfe the Church borroweth hers from the Scriptures the spirit can secure vs alone the Church neuer can without the spirit But nothing can be playner to this purpose then the saying of Constantine the great in his epistle to the Persian n 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Theod. hist lib. 1. cap. 25. Marking the diuine faith I obtaine the light of truth and following the light of truth I acknowledge the diuine faith We need then a more certain authoritie then the voyce of the Church that may prostrate our mind with a lightning froÌ„ heauen and stand vpon his owne ground not drawing his resolution from any thing out of it selfe 10 This is not far from that which the learnedst of the Papists be driuen to acknowledge through the necessitie of the truth For thus writeth o Princip doctrinal lib. 8. cap. 22. Stapleton in that booke where he most defends the Churches authoritie The godly are brought to faith by the voyce of the Church but being once brought and enlightened with the light of diuine inspiration then they beleeue no more for the Churches voyce but because of the heauenly light And yet more plainely in p Triplicat inchoata aduers Gulielm Whittak in admonit ad Whitak the last booke that euer he wrote that one would wonder the Iesuite should see no authoritie to secure vs but the Churches The inward perswasioÌ„ of the holy Ghost is so necessary and effectuall for the beleeuing of euery obiect of faith q Nec absque illa quicquam à quoquam credi possit etsi millies Ecclesia attestetur per illam solam persuasiâ—nem quodlibet credenduÌ„ credi queat tâ—cente prorsus vel noÌ„ audita Ecclesia that without it neither can any thing by any man be beleeued though the Church testified with it a thousand times and by it alone any matter may be beleeued though the Church held her peace or neuer were heard Where is he then that saith we cannot be infallibly sure that this or that is doctrine of faith free from error vnlesse we admit an infallible authoritie in the Church to assure vs Digression 7. Wherein the Trent vulgar Latin and our English translation are briefly compared together 11 Which authoritie if we did admit supposing the Church were like theirs might we not speed possible as the Papists haue done in their authenticall vulgar and be assured of that which were starke naught For I thinke the Sun neuer saw any thing more defectiue maimed then the vulgar Latin yet r Concil Trid. sess 4. their Church hath canonized it for good
5 when he said I would not beleeue the Gospell vnlesse the authoritie of the Church did moue me For though the testimonie of the Church by reason of mens infirmitie afore they beleeue be requisite to draw them on to consent to the Scriptures as children afore they can go hold themselues by the side of a stoole and so learne to go yet is not the credite of the Church or authority of men the thing whereby we know and distinguish the Scripture from other writings but the authoritie of Gods spirit is it that by the help of the Church worketh faith in vs. Digression 19. Touching the place of S. August cont epist. fundam cap. 5. and the matter which the Papists gather from it 4 The Papists haue a principle among them that the Scriptures receiue all their authoritie from the Church meaning thereby g Rhem. Gal. 6.2 that they are not knowne to be true neither are Christians bound to receiue them without the attestation of the Church h Ioan. de Turrecr suê‘ dist 9. Noli meis nu 4. Which testimonie declareth vnto vs which be the Scriptures and which not i Baron annal tom 1. an 53. nu 11. so that by the tradition of the Church all the Gospel receiueth his authority and is built therupon as vpon a foundatioÌ„ and cannot subsist without it Yea k Bosius de sign eccl tom 2 pag. 439. some of them write that the Scripture is not to be reckoned among such * Principia principles as before all things are to be credited but it is proued confirmed by the church * Quasi per quoddam principium as by a certain principle which hath autority to reiect allow Scripture And l D. Standish Treat of the Script c. 6. probat 3. a countriman of ours hath left written that in three points the authoritie of the Church is aboue the authoritie of the Scripture The second is for that the Church receiued the Gospel of Luke and Marke and did reiect the Gospels made by his high Apostles Thomas and Bartlemew The which speeches of theirs when the Papists haue expounded how they can yet this will be the vpshot that in all discourses concerning religion the last resolution of our faith shall be into the Churches authoritie 5 For confirmation whereof they bring you see this of Austine I would not haue beleeued the Gospel vnlesse the Churches authority moued me In which words he speaketh of the time past afore he was conuerted and according to the phrase of his countrey putteth the preterimperfect tense for the preterpluperfect tense meaning thus I had not now beleeued the Gospell and bene a Christian but that the Church by her reasons perswaded me thereunto speaking onely of the practise of Christians who by their perswasions conuert many to the Gospell And that he speaketh of the time pâ—st when he was an vnbeleeuer it is plain not onely by viewing the place but by the testimonie of a learned Papist m Can loc l. 2. c. 8. pag. 34. who saith Austine had to do with a Manichee who would haue a certaine Gospell of his owne without controuersie admitted therefore Austine asketh what they will do if they chance to meet with one * Qui ne Euangelio quidem credat which beleeueth not the Gospell and by what arguments they will draw him into their opinion n Certè se affirmat non aliter potuisse adduci vt Euangeliâ—m amplectâ—retâ—â— quà m Ecclesiae authoritate victum Verily he affirmeth that â—e for his part could not otherwise be drawne to embrace the Gospel but being ouercome with the authorie of the Church therefore he doth not teach that the credite of the Gospell is founded on the Churches authoritie Whereby it is plaine that Austine propoundeth himselfe as an instance of one that beleeueth not which he could not be when he wrote this but by speaking of the time past And though it were throughly proued that he spake of himselfe being a Christian and in that estate said he would not beleeue the Gospell vnlesse the authoritie of the Church moued him yet were it not proued hereby that he meant the present Church as it runneth from time to time or the Church of Rome or any other place as it now standeth For if some Papists misse it not he meant the Church which was in the Apostles times which saw Christs miracles and heard his preaching Durand o 3. d. 24. q. 1. in litera o. saith That which is spoken concerning the approbation of the Scripture by the Church is meant onely of that Church which was in the Apostles time Of the same mind are p Dried de var. dogm l. 4. c. 4. Gers de vita anima Occham dial l. 1. part 1. c 4. others whereby he may see that Austine giueth a kind of authoritie to the Church but it is not that Church which should serue his turne Neither is the authoritie giuen large enough to reach the Popish conceit or the Iesuites conclusion if we had not the testimony of the Church we could not be infallibly sure that there were any Gospell at all nor know these bookes to be Scripture for Canus a Doctor of his owne q Vbi supra confesseth I do not beleeue that the Euangelist saith true because the Church telleth me he saith true but because God hath reuealed it And r Triplicat incho 〈◊〉 uers Whitak in Admon Stapleton The inward testimonie of the spirit is so effectuall for the beleeuing of any point of faith that by it alone any matter may be beleeued though the Church hold her peace or be neuer heard And Å¿ Comment theol tom 3. pag. 31 Gregorie of Valence The reuelation of the Scripture is beleeued not vpon the credit of any other reuelation but for it selfe And t qâ—â— Sent. 1 q. 1. art 3. pag 50. liâ—eta C. â—â—ce Greg. Arimin prolog n sent q. 1. art 3. pag. 4. Cardinall Cameracensis The verities contained in the Canon of the Bible onely are the principles and foundation of Diuinitie and receiue not their authority by other things whereby they may be demonstrated And therefore this testimonie of Austine proueth not that he beleeued the Gospel through the Churches authoritie as by a Theologicall principle whereby the Gospel might be proued true but onely as it were by a cause mouing him to credite it as if he should say I would not beleeue the Gospell vnlesse the holinesse of the Church or Christs miracles did moue me In which saying though some cause of his beleeuing the Gosp ll be assigned yet u Compare this wâ—â— the place of Bozius alledged in the beginning of this Digress letter a. no former principle is touched whose credite might be the cause why the Gospell should be beleeued These speeches of our very aduersaries which the truth it selfe hath wroong from them deserue to be obserued the more because
not to the cleargie but to the people And the reason added why they should trie the spirits maketh it plaine who the parties be that should trie them for many false Prophets are gone out they must trie the spirits that are in danger to be seduced by false Prophets and such are the people and therefore they must examine them as Christ saith a Math. 7.15 Beware of false Prophets by their fruites that is by their doctrine ye shall know them and yet they cannot be knowne by their doctrine vnlesse it be first examined And Saint Basil b Eth. definit 72. pag. 432. Graec. Bas saith It behoueth the hearers which are learned in the Scriptures to examine the things which are spoken by their teachers and receiuing those things which are consonant with the Scriptures to refuse the contrary 2 And whereas the Iesuite auoucheth his conceit by a text of Ephes 4.11 wherein it is said that Christ hath left to his Church Pastors and Doctors that henceforth we be no more children wauering and caried about with euery wind of doctrine the Apostle saith not that our Pastors were giuen vs that henceforth we should no more trie the spirits but for the worke of the ministery for the gathering together of the Saints for the building of the body of Christ all which dutie of theirs is much furthered when the people vnder them trie all things and hold that which is good and by examining their teaching find them to be Doctors of the truth And if Saint Paul had misliked this then the men of Beroea had not bene c Act. 17.11 commended by the spirit of God for examining his doctrine neither would he haue d Heb. 5.14 warned the Hebrewes that through long custome they should haue their wits exercised to discerne both good and euill And to reply that they discerne it because the Church telleth them what it is is too grosse for they cannot tel whether the Church say true or no till they haue examined what it saith 3 In the second place he answereth that the spirits which must be tried are not the spirits of the Church which are of God but onely such spirits of which we may doubt whether they be of God or no then the which he could haue spoken nothing more vnaduisedly because if it be lawfull to trie such spirits as are suspitious or false then is it also lawfull to proue the true for two contrary spirits be relatiues so that we cannot proue the one to be false but we must needs withal proue the other to be true Againe when we doubt whether the spirit be of God then we are not certaine and if the false spirit be not certainly false then neither is the true spirit certainly true in my vnderstanding till I haue tried it Moreouer there is nothing so true in it selfe but it may be doubtfull to vs till we haue tried it and therefore the purest spirits are not exempt from examination specially considering that it is no iniury to the truth which loueth to be sifted if ye proue it by his word e Ioh. 18.37 that was borne to beare witnesse to the truth and the more ye trie it the clearer it is neither can it be grieuance to the spirit of God who f 1. Thess 5.21 calleth vpon vs to trie all things and hold that which is good and biddeth vs haue our wits exercised to discerne betweene good and euill 4 And his conclusion that when it is certaine the spirit is of God then we must no longer doubtfully examine it but obediently accept it saith very well for g 2. Tim. 3.7 the Apostle rebuketh such as are alway learning and neuer come to the knowledge of the truth but he forgetteth that so it neuer is till we haue tried it and therefore we may first examine it that afterwards we may be certaine and obedient And though it be most certaine that the spirit of the true Church is of God yet hence it followeth not that we must seeke this Church by other markes and not by her teaching for those other markes which the Iesuite meaneth are of God too as well as the teaching is and yet he will allow them to be examined And first to examine and trie and then obediently to beleeue are not contrary but subordinate and the one the way to the other And Christ was of God yet h Ioh 5.39 he bad men search the Scripture for his triall and all we being naturally the heires of vnbeleefe cannot haue this certaintie in our selues till the discourse of Gods word haue created it in vs. And if there were nothing else to leade vs yet the experience which we haue had of the Church of Romes dealing were sufficient to warne vs that we neuer giue ouer Saint Iohns lesson Beleeue not euery spirit but trie them whether they be of God Digression 20. Concerning the proceeding of the Councell of Trent in the determining matters of faith 5 For the Papists i Bone Deuâ— quae gentium varietas qui delectus episcoporum totius orbis qui reguÌ„ rerum publicarum splâ—ndor quae medulla theologorum quae sanctitas quae lacrymae quae iciâ—niâ— qui flores academici quae linguae quanâ—a subtilitas quantus labor quam insinita lectio quantae virtutaÌ„ studiorum diuitâ— t aug â—stuÌ„ illâ—d sacraâ—ium impleueruntâ— Posseuin biblioth pag 4â—2 commend their Trent Councell to the skies perswading themselues this very Church was there whose bare authoritie should leade vs and yet marke what course it tooke in the triall of religion For first none was admitted to haue any voice there but onely such as were fast to the Papacie and not all such neither if they were not pliable enough in euery matter to the Popes mind for some were remoued out of the Councell and sent away because they began to speake something freely and to make sure work there were more Bishops of Italy then of all the world beside who might ouer-rule the rest if need required of which matter k Claud. Espencae in epist ad Tit. c. 1. a Popish Bishop confesseth This is that Helena which of late ruled all at Trident besides l Innocen Gen tillet examen Concil Triden pag. 32. Nota quod holie multi sunt Episcopi sine administratione episcopatuum vt sunt isti qui vulgariter appellantur Nullatenenses Panor de offic ordin c. quoniam there were some that had the titles of Archbishops as Vpsalensis Armachanus which yet had neither church nor Diocesse but were created to fil vp the number m Id pag. 251. and wheÌ„ yet vpon a time the Pope wanted voices to sway the matter he sent a fresh supply of forty Bishops newly made as euery base towne in Italy hath his Bishop And when the Protestant Diuines required audience they could not be admitted vpon any equall termes but n Illyr protest contra Concil Trid Fabric recus
8. c. 22 Zosim l. 5. Socr l. 6. c. 18. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p. 262. The Cathedrall Church at Constantinople with the Senate house were set on fire burned to the ground in the pursuit of reuenge The people were robbed of their Pastors and the Pastors themselues persecuted each other and pursued their people most vnmercifully Caesar Baronius beginning to intreate of this contention z Annal tom 5 An. 400. nu 51. hath these words A shamefull contention in the Church the lamentable narration wherof I now take in hand wherein shall be described the bickering and cursed persecution not of Gentile against Christians or heretickes against Catholickes or wicked men against good and iust men but which is monstrous and prodigious of Saints and holy men one against another The which words make it plaine that this contention was among Gods owne children in the true Church The like is written of the Bishops in the Councell of Nice a 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Sozo l. 1 c. 17. accusing one another to the Emperour as soone as they were assembled of whose iarres that famous speech of Constantine made vnto them vpon that occasion giueth witnesse wherin among many other things b Soz. ibid. Niceph l 8. c. 16. idem in Conc. â—y â—apud Niceph l 8. c. 50. Euseb vit CoÌ„stant l. 3. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 he telleth them that he thinketh this worse then all the euils to be vttered that he seeth the Church of God dissenting by contentions and contrary opinions Yea Sozomen c 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 lib. 1. c. 16. saith The contrarietie of opinions among the learned at that time was so scandalous that it turned many from embracing the Christian religion So likewise in a Councell holden at Constantinople for the deposing of Nazianzen he thus admonisheth the Bishops d Vita Nazian praefixa operibus eius Graecè editis Basil It is a shame ô my fellow Pastors of the sacred flocke of Christ and not befitting you if while you teach others peace your selues fall to warre and how shall you perswade others to vnitie your selues being at variance In the second Councell of Ephesus Flauianus the Bishop of Constantinople was deposed e Liberat. breu c. 12. Niceph. l. 14. c. 47. pitifully murthered f Euagr. l. 1. c. 10 Niceph. l. 14. c. 47. with him were also deposed Eusebius Dorilaeus Ibas Theodoret Domnus Daniel Aquilinus and Irenaeus all Catholicke Bishops and this was not done by the faction of Dioscorus alone g Baro. An. 449 nu 97. 98. 105. but by the Catholicke Bishops themselues all which saith Baronius Consented both to the restoring of Eutyches and deposing of Flauianus and the rest There was in this contentious Councell aboue 132. Bishops whereof the foure Patriarkes beside the Popes Deputie were part yea it was an Oecumenicall Councell lawfully assembled of Catholicke Bishops yet through the conueiance of cunning aduersaries they were set one against another For the godly men of those times had secret enemies grieuous wolues in sheeps clothing who tooke all occasions to abuse their simplicity and set them at variance among themselues For so do men vse h Sozo l. 6. c. 4. saith an old historie speaking of this matter as long as strangers wrong them to hold together but when they are deliuered frâ—m outward troubles then they fall out among themselues Thus the policie of the Arrians kindled those contentions that among the Catholickes brake out in the cause of Athanasius and by strange deuices nourished them wherby they drew godly Bishops into their faction against the truth as i Haer 68. Epiphanius noteth of the Meletians * Primas fereÌ„tes tum in pietate tuÌ„ in vita Meletiani qui summam iustitiam veritatis demonstrabaÌ„t Godly men that being mingled with the Arrians though they abode in the true faith yet were they not free from some contagion which they gathered in that societiâ— and one part hereof was k Atha orat 1. contr Arrian their standing with others against Athanasius This was it that bred the troubles among the Bishops in the Councels of Seleucia Syrmium Antioch Tirus Lampsacum Ariminum and many other wherin euermore something was practised euen by Bishops of the true faith against their fellow Bishops and the faith it selfe The Councell of Ariminum is famous for this wherein there were aboue 400. Bishops of the West all Catholicke l Athan. de Synod but 50. or therabouts that were Arrians and yet they relented from the faith of the Nicen Councel towards Arrianisme and gaue occasion of infinite broiles in the Church afterward by their inconstancie 5 And long before this Saint Cyprian lamented Church-contentions and m L. 4. Ep. 4. thinketh God sent the persecutions of his time for no other cause These euils saith he had not come vpon the brethren if they had bin linked together in brotherly concord And a little after the persecution of Iulian was ouer the stories n Sozo l. 6. c 4. Niceph. l. 10. c. 40. tell how the Church-gouernours againe moued questions and disputations about the dogmaticall points of faith And Eusebius beginning to intreate of the bloody persecution which the Church suffered vnder Diocletian saith the contentions of the learned therein was the cause o Lib. 8. hist c. 1 these are his words They also saith he which seemed to be our Pastors casting off the rule of piety inflamed themselues with mutuall contentions each against other they increased nothing but strife threats enuy and quarels euerie man with all tyranny pursuing his ambition Neither did the persecution ensuing stay this dissention but as soone as euer peace came to the Church they fell to it againe p Euseb vit Constan l. 3. Gela. CyzeceÌ„ Act conc Nic. l. 2 c. 7. 8. that the good Emperour which brought this peace had much ado with all his authoritie to appease them wherupon Basil the great maketh this sorowfull complaint In other arts and sciences q Aschet proae de iudic Dei p. â—89 Graec. The like complaint made by the Emperour Theodosius of the Catholicke Bishops in his time 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Concil Ephes pag. 235. saith he I haue seene much concord among the professors thereof onely in the Church of God I haue obserued so much diuision and so exceeding great dissention of many both among themselues and against the holy Scriptures and that which is most horrible the Bishops themselues haue stood in such difference among themselues both of mind and opinion and contrary to the commandements of Christ haue vsed such contrarietie that thereby the Church of God hath bene vnmercifully drawn in sunder and his flocke troubled without all care and pitie A heauy complaint and such as chargeth the Church with a foule blemish euen as foule euery way as that wherewith the Iesuite and the rest of our enemies this day vpbraid the Church
Iesuite now beginneth to auouch concerning the vnitie of his Romane Church is all vntrue as I will sufficiently shew in the three next Digressions and shall haue occasion further to manifest a Digress when I come to handle the note of Vniuersalitie This is the truth and all that can be said for it b Isid Pelus ep 408 lib. 3. which Pelusiota noteth in all heretickes that the name of peace is indeed euery where but the thing it selfe no where and as c Aug. epist 162 contra pertin Donatist it was among the Donatists They sacrifice in schisme and dissention and greet the world with the name of peace whom they driue from the peace of their saluation This their vnitie is of seuen sorts d Illyric de sect Whitak controu 2. de eccle q. 5. c. 8. as some learned men among vs haue sent them word and we thinke our iarres such as they be are better then it 2 The first is the vnitie of darknesse in that they are prouident to maintaine outward peace lest their kingdom should come to nought e Mat. 12.16 such an vnitie there is in hell and one Beare they say will lie with another f Petr. Martyr decad l. 3. c. 5. and the very Cannibals vse not to eate them of their owne countrey The second is a heathenish vnitie when men for their credite wiâ—l not seeme contentious as it is very certaine they see innumerable abuses in their Church and doctrine and yet may be content to agree in all lest the world should despise them The third is brutish vnitie when their people consent because they are beastly ignorant and know not their ownâ— abominations so g Staphyl apol part 1. the Colliar said he was of the same beleefe the Church is and yet he knew neither the Churches nor hâ—s owne beleefe The fourth is Iudas his vnitie who kept companie with the other Apostles because he gained by it as many cleaue to the Romane Church and agree thereiâ— because it enricheth them and now then as a sanctuary freeth them from the danger of their sensualitie The fift is tyrannicall vnitie when men by feare are constrained to agree the Popes Consistory and Spanish Inquisition preuaile more with their people then the conscience of religion as would soone appeare if they were taken away The sixt is Herods vnitie for as he and Pilate which were secretly foes yet agreed together to crucifie Christ so these men consent in one against the truth and conspire together more to suppresse vs then to establish any sinceritie among themselues The last is the vnitie of h Iudg. 15.4 Sampsons foxes which were tied together by the tailes but all their heads were loose and euery one looked a sundry way so these men sticke together by the tailes in their religion all embracing one conceit of Poperie but in the maintenance and exposition of the same looking and thinking as many wayes as there be heads among them onely the Pope and his gouernement they all professe because it is their vantage and in him all their tailes meete together This is the vnitie of the Iesuites Church and the true genealogie thereof which we are content to acknowledge vnto them Digression 22. Obiecting the behauiour of the Papists toward the diuine Scriptures thereby to proue their varying from that which in former times the Primitiue Church of Rome beleeued 3 But whereas he saith the Romane Church hath not swarued from any point which formerly it held this is vntrue because it is declined from the doctrine of the Scriptures which the old Romane Church till Antichrist brake into it held inuiolably and for proofe hereof I will not now stand to compare the present Romane faith with the Scriptures but onely touch certaine practises of the Papists about the Scriptures which are euident signes and cleare demonstrations of that I say And first their canonizing now after 1500. years of the vulgar Latine against the Hebrew and Greeke originals for i Sess 4. the Trent Councell chargeth all men to vse it as the authenticall text in all their readings disputations sermons and expositions and that they do not reiect it vnder any pretence whatsoeuer Yea k Galatin de Arcun l. 1. c. 8. Leo Castrens apologet lib. 2. and others the learned men among them accuse the Hebrew and Greeke of corruptions manifold and their generall opinion thereof may be discouered by the Bishop of â—oledoes conceit l F. Simen bibl Complut in prolog who putting forth the Bible in diuers languages and therein printing his Latine in the middest betweene the Hebrew and Greek saith he hath placed them as the two theeues on either side but the Romane or Latin Church he hath put in the middest betweene them as Iesus Christ And yet this their Latine so swarmeth with monstrous corruptions that m Lin la. de opt gen interp l. 3. ca. 4. Reg. bibl tom 6. in var. lect lat bibl edit vulg themselues complaine of it as well as we and n Molina in 1. Tho. pag. 399. Andrad defens Trid. lib. 4. Alph. Mendoz. controu theol q. 7 pag. 514. diuers of them iustifie with vs against their fellowes the Hebrew and Greek and some that mislike it yet confesse o Posseuin bibl select l. 2. c. 6. Sixt. Sen. bibl sanct l 8. pag. 318. b. the errors supposed to be therein are not of such weight as that they touch the perfection of the Scripture in things pertaining to faith and good manners Now it is vnlikely they would striue thus about an edition against all antiquitie and probabilitie but that they see some euidence in the originals which by their Latin they hope they can auoide 4 Next p See Digr 1.9 they complaine against the Scriptures that they containe not all things needfull to saluation but the best part of true religion is made knowne to vs by vnwritten tradition which if you take away many points of the faith will reele and totter which they might neuer say for shame if they were not declined from the Scripture and had not deuised this shift of tradition to flie vnto when the Scripture is pressed against them 5 Thirdly q See Digr 2. 3. they forbid the people to reade the Scripture and will not haue it translated into the mother tongue which is a signe they mistrust their faith and doubt lest the people by reading should find it departed from the Scripture 6 Fourthly r See Digr 16. they make the Pope iudge ouer the sence of the Scripture Å¿ Concil Trid. sess 4. forbidding all other sences then such as agree with the Church of Rome and that which is prodigious they blush not to say t Cusan ep 2.3.7 The Scripture is fitted to the time and variably vnderstood the sence thereof being one while this and againe another while that according as it pleaseth the Church to change her iudgement
are as ridiculous and sottish in answering the matter For what say they to all this when it is obiected against them Bellarmin h Tom. 1. praefat in gymnas Rom. answereth If a Catholicke man fall into sinne if he commit theft adulterie murther yet notwithstanding the foundation of his building abideth still he hath many and great furtherances to his saluation he walketh not in the darke he knoweth his Physitian he may through the faith that is in him call vpon God c. Happy Church where no mans sins may preiudicate him this I beleeue is it that maketh the world runne so fast to it for sanctuary But Staphylus more groslly after his maner As for the life of the Clergy i Apol. part 1. in fine saith he God is their iudge For as of maidenhead so of Priesthood man cannot iudge And the Canon law worst of all k 11. q. 3. Absiâ— in glo If a Priest embrace a woman it shall be construed that he doth it to blesse her And a Priest embracing a woman is presumed to do well Now if this be so there is no more to be said but that in silence and astonishmeÌ„t we adore the prerogatiues of this Roman Church and admire her liberties when they that will liue therein may without any danger steale the horse but professing the Protestants religion they must be hanged for looking ouer the hedge § 39. But chiefly their Church is not holy because there was neuer yet any Saint or holy man of it approued to be such by miracle or any other euident token as by reuelation from almightie God The Answer 1 This is false that the Iesuite saith there was neuer any Saint or holy man of our Church approued so to be by miracle reuelation or any other euident token For first the Prophets and Apostles and holy men of the Primitiue Church were all of our religion in euery point and beleeued not one article of the present Romane faith as we shew in euery question and I haue purposely declared in other places Now the Iesuite will not deny but these were Saints and by miracles approued so to be Next we haue true beleeuers iustified and sanctified by the blood of Christ who by vertue of their calling are Saints or holy men as a Rom. 1.7 1. Cor. 1.2 14.33 the Scripture calleth them though their name stand not written in red letters in the Calendar And we proue them to be such first by the miracles and reuelations wherewith their faith was confirmed when the Apostles began to teach it For the men and the miracles are theirs whose the doctrine is Secondly by the fruits of sanctification and the doctrine it selfe which they beleeue the former yeelding as perfect obedience to God in all things as this sinfull life will admit the later b Tametsi dicunt remissionem non pendere à conditione operuÌ„ neque poenitentiam aut fidem aut vllum actum nostrum esse causam aut meritum iustificationis tamen non negant requiti fidem poenitentiam fidem viuam poenitentiaÌ„ setiam sine his neminem iustificati Bell. de iustif l. 3. c. 6. euen by the confession of our aduersaries binding men to a liuing faith and true repentance the which doctrine cannot be without effect and that effect can be no other then the making such holy as entertaine it Thirdly we haue c Col. 2.2 5. Rom 8.16 the full assurance of vnderstanding and stedfast faith in Christ concerning our redemption obtained partly by the reuelation of the promises in the Gospell and partly by the Spirit of God bearing witnesse with our spirit that we are the children of God and sanctified by the holy Ghost And this is a sufficient token of our holinesse and herby we know our selues to be the Saints of God the which if the Iesuite will deny then let him proue either that we teach not true iustification and sanctification or if we teach it and haue it yet it is no argument of true holines or if it be yet that it is not euident enough without miracles to demonstrate the Church or if miracles be so necessary then let him shew we haue no part in those which the Apostles did others after theÌ„ The which he cannot do but by examining the doctrine that all men may see how idly and circularly they dispute against the Protestants that do it by making holinesse or miracles the notes of the Church 2 But the Iesuites minde runneth vpon his Calendar and golden Legend wherein he thinketh to finde Saints and miracles to serue his turn But he is deceiued For let theÌ„ be examined and vpon triall it will fall out that one part were no Papists another part were not at all in rerum natura neither they nor their miracles but are meere deuices fictioÌ„s a third part consisteth of vncertainties that no man for his life can be sure it is true The last and the least part are canonized indeed and were Papists but that was of late and by the Popes doing whereupon no man that wise is will ground his faith 3 And touching this canonization because the Papists alway meane it when they talke of their Saints I obiect two things sufficient to discredit it First that it was the Popes owne inuention d Bell. de Sanct. beatit l. 1. c. 8. §. Dices 800. yeares after Christ at the least set abroach continued in policy for the confirmation of certaine idolatrous superstitions which he laboured thereby to aduance and now are made e Bell. vbi supra c. 7. the seuen points wherein the canonization consisteth setting them in a Calendar with red letters praying to them in the Church seruice erecting Churches and altars to them ministring the Eucharist and saying Canonicall houres in their honor dedicating holidaies setting vp images and worshipping their relickes Secondly f Sum. Rosell verbo Canonizâ—tio Can. loc l. 5. c. 5. q. 5. concl 3. Platin. in Bonif. 8. themselues cannot deny but it is subiect to error that is to say the Saint canonized may be no Saint and the miracles whereupon his canonization is grounded may be false as g Tract de concept de indulgent refert Catharin adu nou dogm Caiet p. 127. Caietan and others confesse disputing about the miracles pretended for the virgin Maries conception without originall sinne whereupon it followeth necessarily as h Si vnus sanctus vocatur in dubium etiam caeteri vocari possunt Quare veraces essent haeretici qui dogmatizant esse periculosum inuocare sanctos Catha vbi supra some Papists also complaine that all the Popes Saints may be doubted of and no man can inuocate or worship them without manifest perill of idolatry So that we see it is a weak kind of reasoning to proue their Church by such Saints And I am firmly perswaded themselues mistrust it in that many times they shake off as trifles
Scriptures and he must no longer say we haue the true faith because it was confirmed by miracles in the Primitiue Church but he must proue the faith of the Primitiue and his present Romane Church all one that afterward he may boast of the miracles This I say touching all those miracles that are true and were done indeed in the Primitiue Church 6 The things therefore whereupon with most probabilitie they can stand and wherein indeed they put most confidence are the miracles of their Legend Saints Anthony Benet Francis Dominicke and such like which thicke threefold they vse to alledge against vs. But we except two things against them First that supposing much thereof were true yet the Romane faith is not necessarily proued thereby to be the truth for heretickes yea pagans may do wonderfull things to confirme their error D. Stapleton f Promptuat moral part aestin pag. 627. saith that for the more triall of the godly not onely Antichrist himselfe and his forerunners but all heretickes also may do true miracles by the permission of God as the sorcerers of Pharaoh did The which is proued to be true by all stories diuine and humane That which Pharaohs sorcerers and Simon Magus did is well knowne g Baro. An. 68. n. 22. The stories adde touching Simon that he made images to walke and would lye in the fire without hurt and flie in the aire and make bread of stones He could open dores fast shut and vnloose bands of iron and had many shadowes following him as it had bene men c. h Tacit. l. 4. The Emperour Vespasian at Alexandria restored a blind man to his sight i Holy â—h in vit Philoâ—oph Empedocles the Philosopher raised vp a dead woman to life k 〈◊〉 ostâ— l. 4. The like did Apollonius Tyaneus of whom l Lib 4 5. Philostratus and m Compend pag. 202. Cedrenus report great things that he could deliuer cities from scorpions serpents and earthquakes and that being dead many miracles were wrought at his graue And Cedrenus addeth that the same time there was one Manetho which in these workes went beyond him and by his verie words could do what he listed These things I grant as the same author affirmeth were done by the efficacie of Satan God permitting him for the triall of mens faith and punishing of their sinnes yet do they well proue that the false Church may haue as strange miracles in it as the Church of Rome hath and therefore such things are but a weake argument to proue the truth by vnlesse the euidence of the Scripture go before 7 Secondly we think the Legends that report these miracles to be lies the meere deuises of mens idle wits the which is proued by this that I cannot remember one writer of that sort whom the Papists themselues do not challenge for a lier And though at the first my speech may seeme hard yet let the reasons be looked into whereupon I say it and it will proue it selfe againe to be the truth Claudius Espencaeus n 2. Tim. 4. digr 21. saith No stable is so full of dung as the legends are full of fables yea very fictions are contained in their portesses o Loc. l. 11 c 6. Canus hath a whole discourse of this matter among other things he writeth as followeth The Pagan Historiographers write more truly then Christians haue done the liues of Saints and Suetonius with farre lesse corruption set forth the liues of the Emperours then Catholicks haue done the facts of Martyrs Virgins and Confessors they either follow their affections so or of set purpose deuise so many fictions that it not onely shameth me but irketh me to see them It is certaine also that all their narration is deuised either for gain or error and it is a iust complaint of Ludouicus Viues touching certaine histories deuised in the Church who wisely grauely reproueth such who thought it a great part of pietie to coine lies for religion and following ouermuch their affection to write things not as the truth but as their fancie told them they present vs now and then with such Saints as the Saints themselues if they might would not be The Church of God therefore is greatly hurt by these men who thinke they cannot sufficiently set forth the liues of Saints vnlesse they decke them vp with fained miracles and reuelations Wherein their impudencie hath spared neither the blessed Virgine nor our Lord himselfe To this day I could neuer yet see one storie that I could allow neither do I sift the author of that storie which is called the Golden legend for in him you may read monsters of miracles rather then true miracles he that writ this was a man of a brasen face and a leaden heart Let it be noted well what this man saith of all the Saint-stories without exception and then see vpon what goodly grounds the reuelations of Francis and the rest are builded that they should be such an infallible testimonie for the Church of Rome And let any Papist shew if he be able that their miracles are written in any better authoritie then this that Canus chargeth with lying falshood Would our aduersaries haue vs such fooles as to beleeue what themselues beleeue not For I make this offer to the Iesuit freely that if he can proue his Saint-miracle by such an author as the learned of his owne side giueth credit to in all things and refuseth in nothing the said miracle shall be admitted and all the consequences thereof but if himselfe thinke his author faultie in some things I may by the same libertie refuse him in others 8 And I adde further that there is nothing more common with our aduersaries then at home among themselues to reiect these verie miracles which abroad in the Faire of fooles they set out to sale so buisily p Opusc de concept virg c. 1. Caietan saith It cannot be knowen infallibly that the miracles whereupon the Church groundeth the canonization of Saints be true by reason the credit thereof dependeth on the report of men who may deceiue others and be deceiued themselues And I haue shewed before that a vision of Bernard and another of Briget being obiected in the question of the virgin Maries conception q Part. 1. tit 8. c. 2. Antoninus the Archbishop of Florence answereth they are fantastike visions and mens dreames And marke what Canus r Loc. l. 11. c. 6. saith of Gregories Dialogues and Bedes Historie reputed to be of the best sorts of stories that they haue The same saith he may I say of Gregorie and Bede truly and rightly they misse it now and then c. who writ miracles talked of and beleeued among the vulgar which the censours of this age will thinke to be vntrue For my owne part I could better allow those stories if the authors with seuerity of iudgement had ioyned more care in choise This censure
touching Gregorie and Bede may well be inlarged to many things written of Anthonie * As that which Gregorie Nyssen writeth touching Thaumaturgus how the virgin Maerie Saint Iohn came down from heauen to him and taught him his Creed Nyssen orat de vit Greg. Thau and others of elder time though the men that writ them if the bookes be theirs whose titles they beare were godly men For is it likely to be true that Å¿ Vit. Pauli Ierome writeth how Anthonie trauelling in the wildernesse to seeke out Paul the hermite met with a Centaure halfe a man and halfe a horse who spake to him and shewed him the way And by and by when the Centaure was gone meeteth him another monster like a Satyre with a hooke nose and hornes on his head the lower part of his bodie like a Goat offering him a branch of palme whom Anthonie asking who he was he answered I am a mortall creature an inhabitant of the wildernesse such a one as the Gentiles deluded with error call Satyres and I come as an Embassadour from my flocke to beseech you to pray to God for vs whom we know to be come for the saluation of the world whose sound is gone through out the earth If the Iesuit thinke it reason we beleeue this for it is a part of Saint Anthonies miracles and that such monsters of beasts should be and beleeue in Christ let vs play the good fellowes and beleeue all the rest too t Baron an 1028. n. 5. that the virgin Marie came from heauen to visit Saint Fulbert when he was sicke and gaue him her breasts to sucke u Vit. Bern. l. 1. c. 13. and that she visited Bernard likewise in his sicknesse being attended with Saint Laurence and Benedict And that Saint Francis x Lib. confor Anton. 3. part tit 24. c. 2. §. 8. Boz de sign l. 15. c. 3. had the fiue wounds of Christ made in his flesh by an Angell with the nailes sticking therein and continually bleeding till his dying day That he vsed to ride in the ayre in a fierie chariot talking with Christ and Marie and Iohn and accompanied with innumerable Angels That the image of the crucifix vsed to speak to him Francis go repaire my house y Boz de sign l. 14. c 3. That he had a cade Lambe which vsed to go to masse and would dulie kneele downe and adore at the eleuation z Gold Leg. That he vsed to preach to birds instruct them which heard him with great deuotion a Anton. part â—â—â—t 23. c. 1. §. 1. And that a little afore Frier Dominicke was borne there were found two Images in a Church at Venice the one of Dominick the other of S. Paul on Pauls image was written By this man you may come to Christ on Dominicks But by this man you may do it easilier because Pauls doctrine led but to faith and the obseruation of the commandements but Dominicke taught the obseruing of Councels which is the easier way b Boz vbi supr Bellarm. That Antony of Padua conuerted an hereticke by making his horse adore the hoast c Boz ib. pa. 129 And that a certain deuout woman to cure her Bees of the murren and to make them fruitfull put a consecrated hoast into the hiue and when after a time she took it vp she not only found a miraculous increase but saw also that the bees had built a chappel in the hiue with an altar and windows and doores and a steeple with bels and that the Bees had layd the hoast vpon the altar and with a heauenly noise flew about it and sung their Canonicall houres and kept watch by night as Monks vse to do in their cloisters These and others of the same straine are part of the miracles whereby the holinesse of the Romane Saints is testified and it wil not serue the turne to reply these are the basest part which is now put out of the stories or that the Church alloweth them not or that there is better stuffe then this for this as vile as it is hath the same authors that the other hath and in the dayes of Popery was read and preached publickly to the people and at this day is alledged by our aduersaries in their books against vs and remaine in the stories as before And no doubt they possesse the mindes of the vulgar as much as euer they did who among them is of the same mind that Canus d Loc. pag. 336. saith he knew a Priest of who was fully perswaded that nothing could be false that was once put in print Yea e Brist mot 6. they shame not to write and our countreymen beleeue it because it is printed that these very miracles of Thomas Aquinas Thomas Becket Bernard Francis Dominick and the rest cannot be checked though Canus checked them afore Bristo was hatched No man being able to put any difference betweene the miracles of Christ with his Apostles and of these men Polybius a heathen author f Hist l. 16. mentioning in his story some such like wonders as these Legend miracles are which the Gentiles beleeued saith they seemed to him altogether childish absurd and impossible yet notwithstanding saith he as long as they nourish in the vulgar pietie toward the gods the writers must be pardoned though they speake monsters This belike is the policie of the Church of Rome to coine lies for religion as I noted out of Canus and to beare with monsters of miracles for pieties sake 9 But leauing them to do with their owne what they wil let the discreet reader now remember where the cause sticketh namely at the certaintie and credit of the Legend miracles For other they haue none which they can properly challenge and these are grounded on such authoritie as not onely shameth it selfe but also is discredited by the learnedst among themselues And so stil for any thing our aduersaries can alledge the Protestants faith is better proued by the consent thereof with the Scriptures then their aduersaries is by the miracles of Antonie and Francis Digress 45. Touching Monkes and religious orders holden among the Papists and which they say we haue reiected and forsaken 10 First our aduersaries are bound to proue that the law of God and course of true religion bindeth vs to follow these professions for if some priuate men in the Primitiue Church began such a thing without commandement onely vpon their owne voluntary libertie it is lawfull for vs by the same libertie to leaue it againe Next let them shew if they can that pouertie chastitie and obedience as they define them are counsels of such perfectioÌ„ that they cannot be fulfilled as much as God requireth but by going to a Cloister and turning Frier or that a man vnder the pretence of following such counsels may lawfully forsake his parents and calling wherein God hath placed him to liue in an Abbey professing a rule deuised by
men The which things we say God hath tied no man to neither by word nor example in all the Scripture Thirdly the disgracing of religious orders as this Iesuite speaketh began not in the Protestants but themselues as I will shew presently and the first that moued and effected the plucking downe of Abbeys in England was not the Protestants but Cardinall Wolsey g Onuphr vit Pont. Sand. de schism Angl. the scum and scandall of mankind and what the Protestants afterwards did the vncleannesse of the Monks deserued 11 And though we grant that Antonie and Benet and others of that time practised a certaine kinde of Monachisme and liued solitary yet were they Monks of another kind as far from these of the Church of Rome as the time is distant wherin they liued Their religion was not the same their manners were better their conuersation euery way was of another sort And the religious orders among the Papists haue nothing of theirs but the names onely whereby as the Asse with the Lions skin on his backe they gull the ignorant that thinke euery thing is the same that hath the same name For those ancient Monkes betook themselues to solitude at the first not with any opinion of perfection but h 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Soz. l. 1. c. 12. Niceph. l. 8. c. 39 to escape persecution and to hide themselues And when they found by experience that the life fitted their austeritie and rid them of many worldly cares they increased it the more and followed certaine rules for study and behauiour religious exercises much like as is vsed this day in Colledges In which course of life i Antidida Colon pag. 131. Dion eccl hier c. 6. some were lay men not medling with Ecclesiasticall matters k Athan. ep ad Dracont some were maried and liued in that state l Eras vit IeroÌ„ they bound themselues with no vowes m Aug. de mor. eccl l. 1. c. 33. Niceph. l. 9 c. 14 nor made any distinction of meates n Vitas patrum part 2. § 51. Niceph vbi supra they laboured with their hands o Sozo l. 1. c. 12 Ieron ep 13. ad Paulin. and liued not in cities but alone and remote from men with many other customes which the Monkes of this time obserue not whereby they proue themselues to be as far from Antony and Benet as we are Yea diuers among themselues complaine p Polyd. hist Angl. l. 6. that it is incredible to speake how much they are degenerated And q Alua. Pelag. planct pag. 130. though they haue the likenesse of the Apostles yet they are remoued far from their life Let the Church lament her Monkes and say Where be my ancient Monkes which founded the Church and held the holy life of the primitiue Church This sheweth * Liber pater praeponitur libro patrum Calicibus epotandis non codicibus emendandis indulget hodie studium monachorum quibus lasciuam musicam Timothei pudicis moribê° aemulam non verentur adiungere sicque cantus ludentis non planctus lugentis officiuÌ„ efficitur monachale Greges vellera fruges horrea porri olera potus patera lectiones sunt hodie studia monachorum Rich. Dunelm Philobibl c. 5. the religious men of the Romane Church are of another cut then in the time of Antony and Benet they were and therefore disgracing them we touch not the old Monks of that time but birds of another fether 12 And if we haue thought and spoken hardly of them touching their conuersation and so disgraced them what maruell when the very sauour of their cloisters bewrayed them and the stinke of their hypocrisie was such that all the world was annoyed with it and their owne writers chronicled it Must the holinesse of Monks and Nunnes be a signe of the true Church and layd in as an argument against vs and must we be condemned for suppressing them and yet may we not be allowed to looke a little into it and see if it were so indeed or otherwise I see no reason but we may lawfully and without any suspition of malice examine that holinesse that vpon so great termes is put vpon vs and see whether it be so or no and let the shame be theirs that are guiltie and the fault be layd vpon them that first cold the tales out of the schoole For we for our parts are confident that in all their Church they could haue found no holinesse which they might worse haue stood vpon then this of their cloisters of whom their own r Inuent l. 7. c. 5. Polydore saith It were behouefull that these dregs of men were cut off and burnt that with their filth they should no longer defile Gods seruice And Aluarus Pelagius Å¿ De planct l. 2. ar 2 73. 83. writeth of such things done in them as are not meet to be named and I think shal neuer be met with again but in hell or in another cloister 13 I would haue stirred this dunghill no further but that as I was writing these things there came to my hands t Rule of good life a little booke made by a Papist such as our country is full of to seduce the vulgar vnder pretence of exercising them in deuotion wherein teaching his Catholickes how to bring vp their children I must u Cap. 9. pag. 74 saith he tell them often of the Abbeys and the vertue of the old Monks and Friers and Priests and the religious men and women and of the truth and honestie of that time and the iniquitie of ours And therefore accordingly let vs tell our children a little more of this matter and let none tell it but Papists themselues that the children may beleeue them Clemangis a Doctor of Paris that liued 200. years ago when the old time was x De stat eccles pag. 47. inde saith Concerning Monks and Abbeys what can I say that is commendable being so slippery indisciplinated dissolute vnquiet running vp and downe into common and dishonest places hating nothing so much as their cels and cloisters their reading and praying their rule and religion Monks they are in externall habit but in life and works far from their professed perfection This of Monks And touching Friers he saith * pag. 53. They are worse then the Pharises rauening wolues in sheepes clothing who in words pretend the forsaking of the world and in deeds with all possible fraud deceit and lying hunt after it making semblance in outward shew of austeritie chastitie humilitie holy simplicitie but secretly in exquisite delicates and varietie of pleasures going beyond the luxuriousnesse of all worldly men and like Bels priests deuouring the oblations of the people and though not with their wiues yet with their brats filling themselues greedily with wine and good cheare and polluting euery thing with lust whose beate burneth them And of Nuns he saith * pag. 56
c Caiet 22. pag 144. Tolet. Sum p. 700. Graff part 1. p. 349. As that prisoners may breake the iayle and vse what meanes they can to escape though they be lawfully committed A point well practised by Priests in England That d Tolet. Sum. pag. 548. children may marry without consent of parents e Greg. à Val. tom 3. p. 1090. That parents cursing or banning their owne children sinne but venially as long as they do it without deliberation f Tolet. p. 583. That women or seruants scolding or rayling one at another sinne not g Tolet. p. 540. That it is lawfull on the Sabboth day to follow fuites trauell hunt dance keepe faires and such like This is it that hath made Papists the most notorious Sabboth breakers that liue Infinite other doctrines of this sort might be added but I will end with that which a h Coâ—nel Agripp de van c. 64. Papist himselfe saith of Shrift because the Iesuite standeth so confidently for the holinesse of it and offereth it for so soueraigne a medicine I could saith he by many examples fresh in memorie shew how fit this shriuing is for baudry for Priests Monkes and Nunnes haue this speciall prerogatiue that vnder pretence of religion they may go vp and downe when and whither they will vnder colour of confession talke with any woman whom they oftentimes entertaine but homely And thus closely they go to the Stewes rauish virgins and widowes yea many times which my selfe haue seene and knowne runne away with mens wiues and carrie them to their fellowes And thus whose soules they should win to God their bodies they sacrifice to the diuell 7 By this you may see what doctrine lieth in the Church of Rome veiled with the title of the Catholicke faith whereby their hypocrisie is noted that so blasphemously haue charged the truth of Christ which we professe with libertie And whosoeuer shall attentiuely consider the whole course of Papistry I meane the doctrine and gouernment both in the Church of Rome with the rising and progresse thereof and the manner of aduancing it forward shall finde it to be nothing else but a very iest wittily deuised to delude the world and in euery point prouiding for the satisfying of the ambition couetousnesse and sensualitie of such as should haue the greatest stroke in that Church And let any man make the triall compare one part of the religion with another marking the coherence and how one point issueth out of another and the policies whereby the world is inhibited to listen to it and they shall easily perceiue it driueth all at this to make the Pope and his clergy absolute Lords of the world and of all the greatnesse and pleasures therein For the effecting whereof it was an easie matter for them to set learned men aworke and with faire rewards to make them shew their wit in perswading men which they haue done in all ages accordingly but neuer better then now of late by the Iesuites Hence it is that in the course of Poperie you see the Pope himselfe Lord of all his clergie aboue the temporalty his Bishops the peers of Princes i See Palmer Floren. Chron. ann 1334. touching the wealth of Iohn 22. his treasurie richer then any in the world beside the consciences of men at his deuotion their substance obedience and very lookes at his command and to effect this first he slideth into the consciences of men vnder the faire pretence of being Saint Peters successor then he blindeth their eyes by taking away the Scriptures and preaching and stoppeth their eares by disswading them from hearing any but himselfe Then he plotteth them a religion fitting mens carnall affection euery way the greatest part whereof standeth in easing them from taking any pains in spiritual things which of all other are most burthensome to flesh and blood They must indeed serue God if they should say otherwise no man would beleeue them but there be wayes to dispense and to turne the spirituall seruice into corporall which is easier And sinners must haue Gods pardon or they cannot be saued but the dispensation thereof is committed with the keyes to Christs vicar who hath power to release them by applying the sacraments of the Altar and Penance to their sinnes Nothing in all the religion but it standeth them in good stead Their Latin seruice and praiers to blindfold men for seeing the fraude The massing pompe and Church musicke to delite the senses the images and relickes and Pilgrimages to bring in their offerings the shrift to discouer the secret inclinations of people which would serue theÌ„ for a thousand purposes whereof this was one that therby the Pope knew the counsels of kings and secrets of euery state and wrought vpon them Their fasting dayes and prohibition of mariage to some persons to draw mony for dispensations Their merits to make men franke toward religious houses their purgatory to supply the Popes kitchin Their holidaies to please youth and renew their offerings their pardons to deliuer men from the feare of sinne and to draw money when they would And the stirre they keepe with writing and pleading in their schooles and abroade about religion is lest the world should thinke they haue no religion § 44. Thirdly the Protestants Church is not Catholicke that is to say vniuersall neither in Time nor in Place for it came vp but of late and is but in few places of Christendome Neither in points of doctrine for it consisteth chiefly of Negatiues that is to say in denying of diuerse points of doctrine which haue bene held for truth in all former ages by the ancient Fathers as appeareth by the Chronicles made by the Magdeburgenses the Protestants owne Doctors who confesse in their Centuries that the Fathers held this and that which they denie The Answer 1 That our Church came vp of late the Iesuite saith but sheweth not as the Iewes a Ioh 8.57 said to Christ Thou art not yet fiftie yeares old and hast thou seene Abraham And b Nunc dogma nobis Christianum nascitur post euolutos mille demum consules Prud. Peristep hym 10. the Gentiles to the Christians that Now after I know not how many thousand yeares their religion was sprong vp But against his speech I reply two things First that our faith is in all points the same that is contained in the Scripture and so consequently of the same antiquitie and therfore all they that say it came vp but of late should first proue it contrary to the word of God or else hold their peace SecoÌ„dly as it agreeth with the Scriptures so hath it had in all ages those which haue professed it as I haue shewed c Sect. 17. digr 17. already and more distinctly will shew in the fiftieth section In the meane time let it suffice for this place which our aduersaries themselues vnawares haue written The first is Bristo who d Mot. pref
mot 45. saith The truth is that some there haue bene in many ages in some points of the Protestants opinion in so much that scarce any peece or article there is of our whole faith but by one or other first or last it hath bene called in question and that with such liking for the time that they haue all in a manner drawne after them great heards of followers I know Bristo meaneth they were hereticks that in all ages did this but that can he neuer proue yet in the meane time belike he saw some that were of the Protestants faith before of late The second is Reynerius that liued three hundred yeares ago who discoursing of the Waldenses a people for substance of the Protestants religion e Refert Illyric catal tom 2. p. 543. saith They are in all the cities of Lombardy and Prouince and other countries and kingdomes They haue many followers and dispute publickely we haue numbred fortie Churches of theirs and ten schooles in Parish No sect hath continued so long some say it hath bene since the time of Syluester some since the Apostles and there is almost no country wherein it spreadeth not They haue great shew of pietie liuing vprightly before men and beleeuing all things aright concerning God and all the articles in the Creed onely they hate and blaspheme the Church of Rome c. In this testimonie of Reynerius you may see our Church was Catholicke both in place and persons and time and doctrine and that the Church of Rome was resisted and the religion thereof refused afore Luther The true cause why it was not so frequent and publicke as now it is either in place or persons was the persecution of the Pope and the generall corruption of the Papacie which as a leprosie infected and as a mist obscured welnigh all places and persons that sometimes not the true beleeuers themselues such I meane as are come to our knowledge were void of error in euery point though they firmly held the foundatiō as these Waldenses did And if it pleased God in processe of time to giue more libertie to the persons and more puritie to the doctrine what iust occasion is this to say we are not all one Church when the true faith of Christ is not alwayes alike visibly and purely professed Minutius Felix f Octau pa. 401. saith Why are we vnthankfull and why enuie we if the truth of God hath grown ripe in our age let vs enioy our good and let superstition be bridled and wickednes expiated and true religion maintained 2 The next point that our Church is but in few places of Christendome is both false and impertinent First impertinent for if it were so yet were it no hindrance to the note of vniuersalitie For Gods Church vnder the law was shut vp within the narrow bounds of Iudaea and g Digr 17. nu 31 the Papists say theirs in the dayes of their supposed Antichrist shall be openly seene but in few places and h Dried dogm eccl l. 4. c. 2 par 2. Bellar. not eccl c. 7. confesse it is not required to the vniuersalitie of the Church that of necessitie there be at all times in euery countrey some beleeuers it sufficeth if there be successiuely Whence it followeth that if only one prouince did retaine the true faith yet should it truly and properly be called the Catholicke Church as long as it might be shewed that it were the same which it was at other times in other places of the world the which we can shew of our Church how small soeuer the compasse thereof may fall out to be at some time Next it is false for there is no place in Christendome but there are some of our religion therein as not onely experience but our aduersaries owne reports beare witnesse wherein they i Boz sign eccl l. 19. c. 1. Bell. de Rom. Pont. praefat li. 3. c. 21. item de verb. Dei praefat habit in Gymn Rom. complaine how our heresie so heretickes style it possesseth many and large prouinces England Scotland Denmark Norwey Sweden Germanie Pole Boheme Hungary Prussia Lituania Liuonia whereto they may adde France and the Low countries yea Italy and Spaine it selfe where the barbarous Inquisition dayly findeth the profession of our religion euen at their doores 3 The third point that our Church is not Catholick in doctrine neither is as ill proued as the former For negatiue doctrine so farre as it is euil standeth not in denying some points which the fathers held but in denying that which they held according to the Scriptures and which they taught and maintained to be certain and necessary matter of faith deliuered in the Scriptures wherein neither we nor the Centuries euer refused them Neither haue we denied any one point which they held in all ages for the truth as our aduersaries haue For though the Centuries reiect this and that which the Father 's held yet they deny neither this nor that which was holden for the truth in all ages as appeareth by their historie wherein they shew the succession of our faith in all ages and note how it was many times corrupted and mistaken euen by some of the ancient Fathers which is all for substance that the Magdeburgenses can be charged with wherein they haue neither denied the doctrine of the Catholicke Church nor offered the Fathers any wrong to say they had some errors as all men haue and themselues confesse which gaue occasion to others to erre likewise which errors the Centuries sometimes more then was cause noting they did not thereby notwithstanding accuse the whole Church of error because euery thing was not the Churches doctrine that some particular men therein held and what they noted of some particular Fathers must not be stretched to be meant against them all as their censuring somtimes ouermuch of many together for some things written against the truth must not be expounded to be the deniall of all they held beside for if it be and the Centuries be thus censured let this Iesuite say directly without shrinking why doth k Cathar tract de concep virg Suar. to 2. disp 3 sect 6. the Church of Rome hold the virgin Marie was conceiued without sinne l Capreol 3. d. 3. Ban. par 1. p. 75. Paul Cortes in sent which all the Fathers with one consent deny Let them looke my demaund in the face that thinke it heresie to deny the Fathers yea all the fathers consenting in one Digression 47. Of the authoritie of the ancient Fathers in matters of our faith and religion Wherein it is shewed what we ascribe to them and how farre forth we depend vpon them And the practise of our aduersaries in contemning eluding and refusing both them and their owne writers is plainly discouered 4 But this is a point that must be further looked into and not suffered to passe away thus Our aduersaries neuer make an end of boasting of the Fathers and by
the bodie after a long time hath shaken it off and looked through it by reason the vitall parts kept out the poison we do not call it a new bodie for that were absurd as our aduersaries call the Protestants a new Church but a bodie recouered and deliuered from a leprosie In the same manner we compare the Church and the Papacie 2 To the second part wherein the Iesuite saith he can shew diuers places where our religion is scarce heard of specially the Indies Iaponia and China I answer he doth wisely to carrie his Reader into his new world because he knew the old world hath Protestants in euery part of it as I haue said and a Engl. voyage◠the Spanish Inquisition hath found some there too and may daily find more for any thing they know yet the time being vnder 120. yeares since their first discouerie And if the Iesuite were well put to it it would be exceeding hard for him to shew so many of his Romane faith in those countries as is pretended The Spaniards I grant that dwell and traffick there professe it but the questiō is of the inhabitāts For I hold him a weak man and easie of beliefe that giueth any credit to the Iesuits reports and their Indian newes concerning this matter the which I say vpon euident grounds For Franciscus Victoria in his publicke lectures at Salmantica b Relect. 5. pag. 201. affirmed that the Barbarians by warre could not be moued to beleeue but to faine they beleeued and receiued the faith which is horrible and sacrilegious c Pag. 200. and he addeth that the Christian religion was neuer yet sufficiently offered them And Bartolomaeus Casas that was a Bishop in the Indies and saw all that was done d Span. Colon◠informed the king of Spaine that the crueltie of the Spaniards toward the people and the leudnesse of the Priests was such that the Indians beleeued nothing but mocked at al that was shewed them of God being rooted in this conceit that our God is the worst and the most wicked and vniust of all gods because he hath such seruants But I will handle this point at large in the 50. Digression where I doubt not but to giue the Iesuite enough of his Indies conuersion 3 And whereas the Iesuite saith our faith was scarce euer heard of among the Indians this is rashly spoken and more then he knoweth For Bishop Iewel hath e Def. Apolog. pag. 37. shewed out of Vesputius that in the East Indies there were many godly Bishops and sundrie whole countries conuerted and baptized before the Portugals came there or the Popes name was heard of And if it be true that f Osor gest Eman l. 3. pag. 83. 107. Fred. Lumnius de extrem Indic l. 2. c. 8. Sur. cōmen an 1565. Baron an 57. n 113. the Iesuites owne histories report that the Apostle Thomas lieth buried in a citie there and that he conuerted them to the faith of Christ and that the people of the countrey by his doctrine haue Bishops and Patriarkes to this day and maried Priests and the Scriptures and the Eucharist in both kinds then belike there were at least some steps of the Protestants religiō there afore the Popes authoritie was heard of And vnlesse he can proue out of the scriptures that Saint Thomas was a Papist which is hard to do he must graunt also that their first conuersion was to our faith for Saint Thomas conuerted them and we beleeue the same that he preached § 49. Nay euen our owne Chronicles can beare witnesse that our deare countrey England was conuerted by Austin a Monke sent from S. Gregory the Pope and continued in that faith without any knowledge of the Protestants religion which then was vnhatched for diuerse hundred yeares The like record in other countreys conuerted by meanes of those onely who did communicate and were members of the Romane Church we may finde in other histories See Socrat. l. 1. c. 29. cap. 28. 30. Sozom. l. 2 c. 23. Niceph. l. 14. c. 40. Platina in vitis Pontificum Steph. 7. Adrian 4. Aeneas Syluius de origine Bohemorum cap. 16. Baronius his Annales the Indian and Iaponian histories letters other particular histories of peculiar Christian countries The Answer 1 Touching the conuersion of England by Austin the Monk wherewith our aduersaries make so much ado I answer two things First that supposing he did conuert it yet was it not to the present Romane faith but to that which was the faith at that time For neither was Gregorie that sent him such a Pope as now the Pope is inuested with his supremacie nor his doctrine in the chiefe things sutable to that which is now holden as may be shewed by that which he hath left written against a L. 4. ep 76. 80. 83. l. 6. ep 88 194. Images b L. 7. ep 109. the supremacie c Super 7 psal poenitent the merit of workes and diuers other points though I will not denie but the contagion of some errors were got in in his time and Austine arriuing in England might do his best to scatter them Which being granted our aduersaries are neuer the nearer that they shoote at because we can shew the said things so brought in to be errors and different from that which the Church beleeued long before Austins coming And for triall hereof let any man set downe what Austine taught in this his imaginated conuersion of the countrey and contrarie to our faith and I will demonstrate it to haue bene against the teaching of the Primitiue Church before him 2 Secondly I say he conuerted not our countrey at all excepting the planting of some trifling ceremonies For Gildas d An. 580. Polyd praefat ad Tonstal praefixa Gildae Austin came an 597. Baro an 597. n. 20. who liued afore Austins coming writeth that the Brittans receiued the Christian faith from the first beginning And this appeareth to be true in that the Apostles themselues or some of that time preached in the countrey Baronius e An. 58. n. 51. thinketh Saint Peter was here Theodoret f De Curand Graec. affect l. 9. saith Saint Paule Nicephorus g L. 2. c. 40. saith Simon Zelotes h Baron an 35. n. 5. Some Ioseph of Arimathea but whosoeuer they were certaine it is that very timely in the Primitiue Church the Gospell was planted for so i Tertul. aduers Iudae Origen hom 4. in Ezek. Theod. hist l. 4. c. 3. the auncient writers agree whereby it appeareth that Austine is not the Apostle of our land as k Three conuers par 1. c. 8. some vainly giue it out It is l Alan Cope l. 5. c. 18. 19. obiected that the faith thus planted at the first was extinguished againe by heresie and paganisme in that part of the land which was inhabited by the English Saxons whom Austine conuerted Whereto I answer three
m Pag. 83. In Peru aboue foure millions And this proportion belike holdeth throughout all the West Indies For they seeke not to win the people to God as our foolish Priests giue it out but to get gold and roote out the naturall inhabitants whom most vnmercifully they weare out in the mines Sequanus n Praefat. ib. pag. 16. telleth their manner that when the Indies which haue bene labouring al day in the gold mines come home in the euening in stead of their supper they are stripped naked and bound hand and foote to a forme and whipped with whipcord or a Buls pizle Thē scalding pitch or oile is powred vpon them and lastly their body thus rent with stripes and scalded is washed all ouer with salt water and so they lie saue that sometime to heale them againe as their maisters in derision will tell them they are put into the ground in a hole vp to the necke and so stand all night This is the manner of the conuersion of the West Indies by the Papists owne report that saw it and detested it In the relating whereof I want words of mine owne to lament it I will vse the words of o Niceph. Greg pag. 254. a good Historiographer O heauens open your doores and send thunder that may worthily sound out this horrible calamitie astonish the nature of things awhile that the nature of things senselesse may feele and all Gods creatures may helpe this vnhappy nation to bewaile their misery For no mortal tongue is sufficient and the Iesuites increase it by giuing it out that all this while they are in conuerting and the Priests are baptizing them into the Romane faith when the Spaniards are butchering them as p Paul Fag annot in Chald. paraph. Leuit. 18.21 the Priests of Moloch when they burned mens children to the Idoll danced and plaide vpon drums to make a noyse that no body should heare the pitifull crie of the child frying in the fire 8 And the Priests themselues that are sent ouer to conuert them are worst of all For Acosta the Iesuite q De Ind. salut procur l. 4. c 3. saith They teach the Indies to no purpose but twise or thrise a weeke repeate vnto them the Creed and a few praiers in the Spanish tongue wherof they vnderstand not a syllable And this he saith is the exquisitest manner that is vsed to teach them a forme of Catechisme in the Indian tongue without either explaning it or examining the partie what he learns Their teaching is but a iest and a shadow like as whē one singeth a song to get money and careth not greatly what he singeth nor how soone he getteth it done so he may haue his mony So the Priests greatly care not whether the Indian hearken his catechizing or no whē he hath gotten his mony And he saith further of them that they follow couetousnesse dicing hunting whordom concubinage and such like whereby baptisme is made a scorne among the Indians insomuch that many times they are faine to be baptized against their wils Hereupon it was r Pag. 11. saith Sequanus that the king of Spaine was counselled that he should suffer no more Priests to go into America because of their vnbridled and dissolute life whereof the Bishop whom I mentioned before writeth more at large ſ Pag 12. He saith they which take vpon them the cure of soules are commonly all idiots and vtterly ignorant and barbarous and extremely couetous and vicious t Pag. 107. And he telleth of one whom himselfe examined so fantasticall and ignorant that he could not tell how to blesse himselfe and being demanded how he taught the Indians committed to his charge he said he gaue them to the diuell and that it was enough for him to say Per signum sancti crucis and yet this man had a towne in commendam to ouersee their soules He telleth u Pag. 4. that millions of the people die without faith or sacraments and x Pag. 93. that from the beginning they haue had no more care to procure the people to be taught in the faith of Christ then if they had bene dogges but haue forbidden it rather so that there is no more knowledge of God throughout the Indies except it be in Hispaniola then there was an 100. yeares since Yea y Pag. 111. he saith the Spaniards haue purposely and effectually hindered the teaching of religion and driuen away such as should haue done it z Pag. 19. and he sheweth how they taught it for when they went a forraging to rob and spoile the countrey people when they came neare any towne they vsed to make proclamation O yes you Indians be it knowne vnto you that there is one God one Pope one king of Castile who is Lord of all these lands come in and do your homage c. The which being done they would runne vpon the towne and most cruelly burne it and all therein men women and children before euer they knew of their approach This is it that made Victoria in his publicke readings in Spaine to say the faith was neuer as yet sufficiently offered the Indians to conuert them 9 And that we might yet more certainly know what kind of persons they be who are boasted to haue conuerted the new world where the Protestants religion is scarce heard of he saith they are such gluttons a Pag. 5. that one vseth to eate and spoile in a day as much as would suffice 3. housholds a month accoūting ten persons to a houshold and b Pag. 40. writeth that armies of Spaniards did liue sometime like Cannibals eating nothing but the flesh of the Indians for the prouision whereof an ordinary shambles was kept in the campe of the flesh of men and yong children which they roasted and fed vpon and many times men must be cruelly butchered onely to haue their hands and feet which the Spaniards counted a daintie dish And touching their fleshlinesse c Pag. 5. he saith any Captaine durst aduenture to rauish the greatest Queene or Lady in the country d Pag. 48. some among them made a practise to get as many of the countrey women with child as they could to the end that being with child they might sell them the dearer for bondslaues yea e Pag. 108. some had 14. wiues apeece or more And so greedy were they of gold f Pag. 78. that he thinketh if the diuell had any for them they would set vpon him to rob him g Pag. 51. for the obtaining whereof an infinit sort haue turned Pagan renounced Iesus Christ By which execrable behauior saith the Bishop h Pag. 111. in stead of religion they taught the people many odious vices which before they knew not blasphemy vsury lying so that the cōmitting them to the Spaniards is the giuing them ouer to such as destroy both their bodies and their soules And briefly i Pag. 108. saith
of Christs continuall presence no assurance of his holy Spirits infallible assistance yet it is not possible that such a grosse heresie could arise and ouerwhelme the whole world without some resistance The Bishops and Pastors could not be so simple or so vnmindfull of their dutie but they would first note such an euident contrarietie to the ancient and vniuersally receiued faith and noting it would with common consent resist contradict and finally according to S. Paules rule Gal. 1. accurse it If therefore this could not happen nor neuer did at anie time in like case that any such grosse error or heresie did or could arise without noting and resisting what reason can anie one haue to say that this hath happened at Rome and yet can bring no writer that did note the thing the time and person and what opposition was made against it as in all heresies that haue truly sprong vp of new we can do If there could not a little ceremonie be added to the Masse but that it was set downe in historie when and by whom how could the whole substance of the Masse which consisteth in consecration oblation consumption of the sacred hoast be newly inuented and no mention made when where or by whom or that there was such an inuention at all If also historiographers were not afraid to note personall and priuate vices of Popes which they might well thinke those Popes would not willingly haue had published why should they haue feared to haue recorded anie alteration in religion which if it had bin had bene a thing done by themselues publikely in the view of the whole world So that we may well conclude that if Christian religion had since the Apostles time altered in Rome it would haue bene recorded in histories as other such alterations are and if they should now happen would be But no mention being made in anie storie that such an alteration was it is sure no such was at all no such change of religion being at all it is euident that the same faith and religion which was in S Pauls time hath alway continued and is there now that which was there then was the true faith as appeareth by that high commendation which S. Paul hath left written of it therefore that which is there now must needs be the true Catholicke faith and that company which professeth it must needs be the true Catholicke Church The Answer 1 It must be remembred that the point which the Iesuit in this place driueth at is to proue his Romish Church Catholicke that is denying no point of doctrine which in former times was vniuersally receiued of the Catholike Church but holding the very same without any change To proue this he hath here furnished a popular speech well conceited it seemeth by himself and much reported I perceiue by the vulgar of his side and because it fully expresseth the conceit of our countrie Papists touching the antiquitie of their religion and containeth many speeches vsed by them in maintenance of their heresie and omitteth nothing of that which can be said against vs in this point therefore I will answer it from point to point plainly and directly desiring the reader to marke me diligently and intreating my aduersary whosoeuer he be in the cause not to shut his eyes against reason when it is ready to conuince him nor to mistake any thing that I shall say but to apply it and compare it to that which is obiected as all Christian and moderate minded men in pursuite of the truth and peace ought to do 2 The whole is thus contracted There neuer was in times past nor neuer shall be in times present or to come any alteration from the true faith to grosse heresie such as the Roman religion is supposed to be but foure things fall out withall 1. Some space of time may be shewed in which the said heresie was not visibly known 2. The time may be assigned when it began to rise and the truth to faile 3. The persons are recorded that brought it in 4. The Bishops and people are knowne that note it resist lament and curse it But there is no record extant that any of these things happened to the faith of the present Church of Rome Ergo It is the ancient Catholicke faith without any change I answer that both the Propositions are false The first because many times the truth hath bene changed into error where the circumstances mentioned cannot be giuen The second because in many things holden by the Church of Rome at this day we can out of good records assigne the time of the alteration with the circumstances This my answer I will apply particularly to all that the Iesuite saith as it lieth in order and so confirme it reducing euery thing to one of the Propositions whereto it belongeth 3 First he requireth vs to shew some space of time wherein the Romane Church was not visibly knowne euer since Christ as he can shew many hundred yeares wherein our Church was not This demand is satisfied already in the 47. sect and shall be further answered in that which followeth where that which he saith to proue it is disproued And though the Protestants confesse their Church to haue bene inuisible as I haue expounded Digression 17. yet that will do the Iesuite no good because we obiect more against his Church then so which obiection he may easily assaile with bragges and confidence but can neuer answer with truth and good diuinitie as shall appeare 4 Next he biddeth vs shew when the Romane Church failed in the profession of the ancient faith which once it had Rom. 1.8 and who began the new wherto I answer that these two circumstances when and by whom may be shewed in diuers points which is sufficient to disproue all the rest See below nu 8. inde where I name both the time and persons that changed some points which being so there is no reason why the remainder of that religion the authors whereof are vnknowne should be iustified vnder pretence that we shew not the precise circumstances of the alteration for we giue sound and sufficient reason why we need not do it and to prepare the Iesuite and his partakers to the hearing thereof I propound a Plutarch that famous probleme which in times past the Greekes debated so curiously The ship Argos wherein Iason sailed for the golden fleece at his returne the voiage being ended was laid vp in the road for a monument where decaying by little and little they alwaies peeced it anew where it wore away till in the end the whole substance of the old vessell was gone and nothing remained thereof but onely the reparations successiuely made in the roome of the old Now the question was this whether this ship say it were Saint Peters to gratifie the Iesuite were the same that he sailed in when he liued or another new one diuers from it And whether my wise Athenian could precisely tell when
stood not disputing the matter as the Iesuite doth here with quo tempore quo Pontifice qua via qua vi quibus incrementis Were the workmen all asleepe were they all so cold and negligent For by this argument the tares might haue bin proued to be good corne but it was sufficient for him to espie them when he came into the field and to discerne them from the wheate and to giue charge to his seruants that they should not bind them vp therwith And thus came the change of religion into the church of Rome as these tares were sowne in the husbandmans field 7 Thus I haue sufficiently shewed that forsomuch as we finde the Romish faith to be against the Scriptures we haue iustly condemned it as heresie against the Catholicke faith though we were not able to note any time when it began or person that first deliuered it or people that resisted it But we haue another issue with our aduersaries about the second proposition wherein the Iesuite you see with much confidence assumeth it that there can be no proofe made of any time or persons wherein his Church altered the ancient faith He biddeth vs shew who brought in the profession of a new faith and when the old failed He asketh at what time vnder what Pope what rumors what lamentations did it breed what resistance was made against it what historiographer writ it did none oppose themselues and so concludeth that no mention being made in any storie that such an alteration was it is sure there was no such at all In which words containing the summe of all that remaineth in this section he requireth vs to shew two points first when the Church of Rome changed her religion and who they were therein that brought in a new faith Next what resistance was made against her when she did so Wherein I am resolued the Iesuite speaketh against his owne knowledge onely to set a good face on the matter For is it possible he should be so ignorant as to imagine these demaunds cannot be satisfied Such as he is may speake boldly and peremptorily but they that trust them wil be deceiued as I wil plainly shew in the two next digressions wherein I will out of sufficient records make direct proofe first that the beginning of many principall points of the Romish faith may be shewed both concerning the time and the persons that began them Secondly that in all ages the corruptions of that Church haue bene resisted as they came in The shewing of which two points will fully answer all that is contained in this section Digression 51. Naming seuen points of the Popish religion with the time when and maner how they gate into the Church thereby to shew that there is sufficient record to detect the noueltie of the present Romane faith 8 This point in the matter of PARDONS is so cleare that it cannot be denied for the most learned Papists that are acknowledge the vse of them to be come very lately into the Church Which being so it must necessarily be granted there is some thing altered and begun among them since the Apostles time Durand l 4. d. 20. q. 3. saith There are few things to be affirmed for certaintie concerning Pardons because the Scripture speaketh not expresly of them and the Saints Ambrose Hilary Austin Ierome speake not of them at all Caietan m Tract de Indulg c. 1. saith there can no certaintie be found touching the beginning of Pardons there is no authoritie of the Scripture or ancient fathers Greek or Latin that bringeth it to our knowledge Alphonsus n Haeres verbo Indulgen saith Their vse seemeth to haue come but lately into the Church And Henriquez the Iesuite o Sum. moral l. 7. c. 3. Scol saith There be certaine late Diuines which affirme it is no rashnesse if a man say the vse and practise of Indulgences is not from the Apostles times If there be no mention of them in the Scriptures nor Fathers nor in the ancient Church how can it be shifted off but they had a late beginning and so are not Catholicke 9 The beginning of THE POPES SVPREMACIE vsurped ouer other Bishops was in Boniface the third For Fr. Duarenus a Papist p De sacris eccl benefic l. 1. c. 10. writeth that with great ado he obtained of Phocas that he might be made the vniuersall and oecumenical Bishop which authoritie saith he his successors haue wonderfully enlarged whereas in the beginning as q Respons de priuileg patriar charum in iure Graecoroman tom 1. Balsamon a Greeke writer witnesseth the fiue Patriarks were of equall honor and stood all in steed of one head ouer the whole bodie of the vniuersall Church The beginning of his supremacie ouer Councels was of late since the Councels of r Sess 4. 5. Constance and ſ Sess 2 18. Basil decreed within these hundred yeares in the Councell of t Sess 11. Lateran by a few Italian Bishops whereas in the ancient Church it was otherwise For Cedrenus a Greeke historiographer u Annal. p. 361. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 writeth that the oecumenicall or generall Councels were so called for that by the commaund of the Emperour the chiefe Bishops throughout the Romane Empire were assembled And x Concord l. 2. c. 25. Cusanus a late Cardinall of the Church of Rome saith how all the eight generall Councels were gathered by the Emperour The beginning of his supremacie claimed ouer Princes was but of late For Sigebert mentioning the Popes proceeding against Henry the Emperour about 300. yeares since y Chron. ann 1088. pag. 129. Idem Auentin annal Boio l. 5. pag. 470. saith Be it spoken with the leaue of all good men this noueltie that I say not heresie had not as yet sprung vp in the world that Gods Priests should teach the people that they owe no subiection to euil Princes and though they haue sworne alleageance to him yet they owe him no fidelitie neither shall be counted periured which thinke against the King yea he that obeyeth him shall be counted for excommunicate and he that doth against the King shall be absolued from the guilt of iniustice and periury In which words we see how a Frier of their owne 300. yeares since calleth that noueltie and heresie that now is cherished among our aduersaries and maintained for a peece of the Catholick faith and the Iesuite possible calleth Campian a glorious Martyr because he was tied vp for the practise thereof For it is well enough knowne that neither he nor any other Priest were euer executed in the Queenes time but onely for publishing and practising that which here you see Sigebert calleth Noueltie Besides the Popes clawbacks is it because they are beggerly both in wealth and learning as Fr. Victoria z Relect. 1. de potest eccles pag. 39. noteth of them now adayes publish in print a Carer potest Rom. Pont. l 2.
Church who seeth not this to be a retiring backe againe to the question when that is brought to maintaine the question which is the question it selfe § 51. Neither do I see what answer can with probabilitie be forged against this reason For to say that the errors of the Church of Rome crept in by little and litle and so were not espied for the littlenesse of the thing or for the negligence of the Pastors that liued in those dayes is refuted alreadie For first those matters which the Protestants call errors in the Romane Church be not so little matters but that lesse in the like kind are ordinarily recorded in stories Nay some of them in their conceits and consequently if men of old time had bene Protestants they would haue bene so also in their conceits as grosse superstition as was in paganisme it selfe namely to adore Christ as present in the Eucharist which Protestants hold Really to be but a bare peece of bread also their vse of Images which they account to be idolatrie and say verie ignorantly and maliciously that we adore stockes and stones as the painims did the which things could not haue crept in so by little and little but they must needs be espied Neither could the Pastors of anie time be so simple or ignorant so sleepie or negligent but they must needs haue seene and seeing must needs in some sort haue resisted as before I said For to imagine all the Pastors of anie one age at once to haue bene in such a deepe Lethargicall sleepe that they could not onely not perceiue when the enemie did ouersow the cockle secretly in the hearts of some but also when it grew to outward action and publike practise and so could not be but most apparent as the cockle secretly sowen when it grew and brought forth fruite did appeare and was well knowne and perceiued Matth. 13. I say to imagine all the Pastors to be so simple and sleepie not to marke it then or not to resist it is rather a dreame of a proud man in his sleepe who is apt to thinke all fooles besides himselfe then a iudiciall conceit of a waking man of anie vnderstanding who ought to thinke of things passed either according to the verity recorded in stories or when this faileth by consideration of the likelihood of that which he thinketh was done by men of that time with that which most men would now do in the like case Finally if this were so that the Church did vniuersally erre Neglexerit officium Spiritus sanctus as Tertullian speaketh lib. de praescript refuting the same cauill of heretickes the holy Ghost should haue neglected his office which is as we haue out of Scripture not to permit the vniuersall Church to fall into anie errour but to suggest all things that Christ said vnto it and to teach it all truth The Answer 1 The Iesuite hath said that if religion had altered in Rome since the Apostles time it would haue bene recorded in some story that such an alteration was But there is no mention in any story of any such alteration Therefore it is sure no such was at all In which argument I haue shewed both Propositions to be false in my answer to it in the whole former section But the Iesuite supposeth onely two things can be obiected against it either that the errors as they grew were small coming in by litle and litle and so were not espied for their smalnesse or else that the Pastors which should haue espied them were all asleep which he saith could not be Whereunto I answer 2 And first to his last exception For I grant the Pastors nor people neither were not all asleepe but waking and saw the corruptions at least when they came to publicke practise as I haue shewed by induction of al ages in the former section Onely we say the number both of Pastors and people decaied daily through the Popes tyranny that after eight hundred yeares were expired increased exceedingly and oppressed the true seruants of Christ Which oppression vsed against the Saints ioyned with his strong delusions and the multitude seduced thereby caused that the warning they gaue could not be heard and what was heard could not be credited and what was heard and credited could not the one halfe come to our eares that liue now so long after them It is one thing therfore to say the Pastors were asleepe and saw it not when the enemy first meditated and deuised the point of Papistry that was sowen and another to thinke they were all asleepe when it grew vp and shewed it selfe The former we grant the later we vtterly deny Againe it is one thing to say the world was asleepe when the Pastors gaue warning and another thing to hold the Pastors were all asleep that shold giue warning This later is but the Iesuites conceit for we neuer said it the former is the truth and he cannot disproue it Whence it followeth that still the holy Ghost performed his office and euermore led the Catholicke Church into all truth and gaue it warning of error and suggested the words of Christ vnto it but the Papacy was not that Church whose children had no eares to heare and receiue the warning 3 Next to the first exception I answer the Iesuite hath falsified our saying for we do not say the corruptions were not espied for the littlenesse of the things as if they had bene so small that they could not be seene for by that reason as himselfe well obserueth the worship of the sacrament and images should be no small matter but we affirme that these great corruptions and all the rest whatsoeuer came in first one after another not all at once And secondly were broached not in their full perfection at the first but by degrees as come at the first sight beareth no eare and plants in the first spring shew neither fruite nor blossome in which sence we may say the corne and fruite came in by little and little For who dreamt images should haue bene worshipped when they were first brought in for memory or who suspected the sacrament shold haue bene adored when they first vsed kneeling at the communion Therefore when we say the errors of the Romane Church came in by litle and litle this is our meaning and thus our words must be expounded Which is a sufficient reason why some things thus coming in were at the first the lesse excepted against when no great danger was misdoubted by their entrance 4 But if it were granted that some lesser alteration consisting in ceremonies and Church-canons came in vncontrolled or some points of doctrine hauing at the first no shew of euill yet were it not proued thereby that the godly then liuing allowing them were of another mind then we For if our selues had then liued and seene no more danger ensuing vpon them then they did we would possible haue said as little against them as they did Prayer for the
dead the signe of the crosse the opinion of freewill at the first coming in were so farre from being applyed to those vile purposes whereto the Church of Rome now bendeth them that they might endure them and we refuse them and yet be both of one religion 5 But why doth the Iesuite assume adoration and images for examples of that which came in without controllement was he disposed thus to prostitute his owne cause was there no example he could make choise of but these when the world neuer knew any innouation more famously and visibly noted then these Did not a Can. 36. the Elibertine Councell and b Epist ad Ioan. Epiphanius sufficiently point at the coming in of Images And when the Nicen Councell had allowed them to be worshipped did not Charles the great in a generall Councell of three hundred Bishops holden at Frankford abrogate the decrees of Nice againe and writ a booke against them And did not c An. 794. nu 39 by Baronius his owne confession the most learned men and famous of that age speake against the Nicen Councell Walafridus Strabo Ionas the Archbishop of Orleance Hincmarus the Archbishop of Rhemes yea another whole Synode vnder Lewis the first I know he excuseth it and d Geneb chronol an 744. Bellar. â—mag c. 14. others with him by this that the Councels of Frankford and Paris and these learned men did mistake the definition of the Nicen Councell but this is a bankrupt shift confuted by e Suar. tom 1. d. 54. sect 3. Vasqu adorat l. 2. nu 228. as learned of their owne side as themselues And therefore the Protestants condemning the worship of images follow the ancient Church that resisted it 6 And wheÌ„ we say the vse of images in the Church of Rome is idolatry and that the Papists worship stockes and stones as the Painims did this is neither ignorantly nor maliciously spoken Not maliciously though merily for f Adâ— valen c. 6 Tertullian saith touching such like absurdities of the Valentinian hereticks the matter it self somtime requireth that we laugh at it Many things deserue to be conuinced that with our graue doing therof we seeme not to reuerence them Vanitie and mirth are neare sib Let the truth laugh because she is ioyfull and iest with her aduersaries because she is secure that when we say merrily the Papists worship stockes and stones our words be not taken as vttered in malice And we speake not ignorantly but know what we say and can giue a reason for it For g Exod. 20.4 Deut. 4 15. Rom. 1.23 to erect and worship images of the inuisible God is idolatrie or if that be denied yet vnlawfull by h Duran 3. d. 9. q. 2. ad 4. Peres de tradit part 3 pag. 222. the confession of learned Papists themselues though i Bell. imag c. 8. the Church of Rome now vse it 7 Againe I thinke no Papist will deny but his crosse and crucifixe for example is a stocke or a stone or such a like mettall and yet the Iesuites say k Coster Ench. that all the honour that is due to the samplar is giuen to the image l Bell. imag c. 22 and it is so giuen that the image staieth and limiteth it in it selfe as it is an image and not onely as it representeth the samplar m Greg. Val. tom 4. 345. themselues after their maner being properly * Terminus the compasse of the worship though not of themselues but in respect of the samplar and thus the images of Christ must be adored with diuine honour per aliud The which is now the current doctrine of the Church of Rome saue that n Bell. imag c. 22. Suar. tom 1. d. 54. sect 4. some wiser then other some and possible their conscience checking them thinke it no wholesome forme of words for the pulpit Againe in the Masse-book is a praier to the crosse All haile ô crosse our onely hope c. Wherein some things being spoken which can be meant of nothing but the very wood it selfe as this Thou onely wert worthy to beare the ransome of the world ô faithfull crosse only thou art the noble tree among all it is plaine that euen a blocke and a stocke is adored with Gods honor as was vsed among the Painims For euen they in much of their idolatrie did no more in that many of their idols were the image of the true God and so reputed and worshipped by them respectiuely o Act. 17.23 and with relation to God For p Baâ—o an 52. nu 9. Peres tradit part 3. pag. 225. the altar at Athens was dedicated to p Baâ—o an 52. nu 9. Peres tradit part 3. pag. 225. the same God whom Paul preached and it is the profession of q Dion Chrys ser 12. Olymp. Sozo l. 7. c. 15. Athenag Leg. pag. 20 the learned Gentiles that their images were dedicated to the true God the author of life and giuer of all good things the common Father and Sauiour of mankind whom in those images they worshipped reputing the images themselues but stockes and stones Seneca r Qu. natural l. 2. c. 45. saith By Iupiter standing in the Capitoll with lightning in his hand they vnderstand the Preseruer and Gouernor of all things the Soule and Spirit the Master and Maker of all the world to whom euery name agreeth Few or none among them Å¿ Vbi supra saith Peresius thought the matter of their idols so grauen to be Gods They had many idols whereby they represented the true God Yea t Ortho. expl l. 3. pag. 289. saith Andradius many among them vehemently abhorred the multitude of gods and in their mind and thought religiously worshipped that one God whom with daily meditation and all the power of their mind they sought in him they put all their hope him they alwaies studied to please With this conceit the Painims worshipped their images u Rom. 1.23 and yet are condeÌ„ned of idolatrie Now I assume But the Papists do the very same in the worship of their images acknowledging them indeed to be but images of God and his Saints but yet worshipping theÌ„ as much as the Gentiles did theirs The Papists therefore in the vse of their images commit idolatry and worship stocks and stones as the Gentiles did 8 But the Iesuite needeth not take this vnkindly For his x Vasqu adora l. 3. disp 1. c. 2. 3. Iesuites write that not an image onely or a holy thing may be worshipped with the same adoration that is giuen to God but euen any other thing in the world whether liuing or without life As for example an Angell a man the Sunne Moone and Starres the earth yea * Ipso ligno Lapides de modulo straminis a stocke a stone or a little straw that the Iesuite no longer scorne the imputation of worshipping stockes and stones Yea Cornelius Agrippa
reports of railing Papists touching him may be aduertised of the credit thereof when this was set abroad long before his death i Lonicer theatrum p. 246. A horrible miracle such as was neuer heard of before that God who for euer is to be praised in the fowle death of Martin Luther damned in body and soule shewed for the glory of Christ and the amendment and comfort of the godly When Martin Luther fell into his disease he desired the body of our Lord Iesus to be communicated to him which hauing receiued he died soone after And when he saw his end approch he desired that his bodie might be layd on the altar and worshipped with diuine honors But God willing at the length to make an end of horrible errors by a huge miracle warned the people to desist frō the impietie that Luther had brought in For his body being layed in the graue on the sudden such a tumult and terror arose as if the foundation of the earth had bene shaken Whereupon they that were present at the funerall grew amazed with feare and lifting vp their eyes saw the holy hoast hanging in the aire Wherefore with great deuotion they tooke it and layed it in a holy place which being done this hellish noise was heard no more The next night after was heard a noise and cracking about Luthers tombe much louder then before which waked all that were in the citie out of their sleepe trembling and almost dead for feare Wherefore in the morning opening the sepulcher where Luthers detestable body was layed they found neither body nor bones nor clothes but a stinke of brimstone coming out of the graue had welnigh killed all the standers by By the which miracle many being terrified reformed their liues to the honour of the Christian faith and the glory of Iesus Christ This merry conceit being spread ouer Italy at length a copie came to Luthers hands which hauing perused he writ these words vnder I Martin Luther by this my hand writing confesse testifie that vpon the 21. of March I receiued this fiction concerning my death as it was full of malice and madnes and I read it with a glad mind and a chearful countenance but yet detested this blasphemie whereby a stinking lie is fathered on the diuine maiestie of God As concerning the rest I cannot but reioyce and laugh at the diuels malice wherewith he and his rout the Pope and his complices pursue me And God conuert them from this diuellish malice But if this my prayer be for the sinne that is vnto death that it cannot be heard then God graunt they may fill vp the measure of their sinne and with such lying libels as this let them delight themselues one with another to the full Hitherto the libell with Luthers answer whereby it appeareth of how shall credit the Papists reports are touching Luther and what the practise of the Romane Church is against the persons of all that embrace not her errors and the Iesuite is admonished hereby that Luthers life and death reported by his enemies is no indifferent motiue why any man should mislike the Protestants religion the more for it For this report is made the more incredible because it walked abroade afore he was dead and the Reader may the easilier beleeue that I say because within our owne memory the like was done by Caluin and Beza in their life time 9 But what needed the Iesuite labour thus to discredit vs by Luthers manner of death and euill life For supposing he were culpable in some things yet he might be a Saint in comparison of diuers Popes who are of greater regard in the Romish Church then he could be in ours For the world neuer bare such monsters as the Popes haue bin that were a man desirous to represent the most cōplete villanie that could be imagined his next way were to make the picture of a Pope whose transcendent wickednesse is not our report as Luthers life is theirs but the constant narration of his owne subiects the Papists themselues They write of Syluester the second that m Martin Polo an 1007. Platin. in Silu 2. Fasci temp ann 1004. being a Monk he forsooke his monastery and giuing himself to the diuell followed him and did homage to him that all things might prosper according to his mind which thing the diuell promised him And so by bribery he obtained the Archbishopricks of Rhemes and Rauenna and at last the Popedom also by the help of the diuel vpon this condition that after his death he should be his body and soule In the end as he was saying Masse by the noise of diuels about him he vnderstood he should die whereupon confessing his sinne before the people he desired all the members of his body wherewith he had serued the diuell to be cut off and the trunke of his bodie to be layd in a wagon and buried where the horse would draw it And Caesar Baronius that laboureth to excuse him n An 991. nu 7. yet confesseth that he forsooke his monastery and became a courtier and in talking babling slandering detracting flatterie and doublenesse of mind being made to deceiue he outwent all men Touching Boniface the seuenth o Baron anu 985. n. 1. they write that he was a very villaine and a church robber a sauage theefe the cruel murderer of two Popes the inuader of Peters chaire that had not so much as a haire of a Pope but were to be reckoned among the ransackers and spoilers of their countrey such as were Sylla and Catiline which were not comparable to this theefe that murdered two Popes Haue you heard a man thus set forth as the Pope is here by his owne Cardinall yet he is no body to Iohn the twelfth whom p Platin. in Ioā 13. Naucler an 956. the stories call a monster of a man q Platin. in Ioan. 13. one from his youth vp defiled with all vice and turpitude more giuen to hunting then praier when he could tend it for lechery r Sigon reg Ital l. 7. an 963. accused and detected before the Emperour in a Synode of Bishops of murthers adulteries incests periuries and other vices of all sorts ſ Onuph annot Plat. an Ioan 8. Luitpran d. l 6. c. 6. 7. quem refert Baron an 963. His whores that he kept are named Reynera a widow Stephana his fathers concubine and her sister Ioan Anne and diuers others He turned the Pallace of Lateran into a stewes He would forcibly rauish wiues widowes maids that came from other places to Rome on pilgrimage the fame whereof made them afraid to come He would giue them Saint Peters golden challices and crosses for a reward He vsed hunting openly and dicing and drinking At dice he would call vpon the diuell to helpe him drinke healths to the diuell set mens houses on fire reuell it vp and downe the citie in armour He ordained a Deacon in his stable among his
Paule in the foresaid place that those that come to it must not take the honor to themselues but must be called vnto it as Aaron was to wit visibly and by peculiar consecration and must come to it in this ordinarie maner which our Sauiour termed to enter in by the doore Ioh. 10. to wit by Christ who visibly sent his Apostles saying Euntes docete omnes gentes baptizantes eos c. Matth. vlt. and Ioh. 20. vsing a peculiar ceremonie Qui sufflauit in eos he breathed vpon them saying Accipite Spiritum sanctum quorum remiseritis peccata remittuntur eis quorum retinueritis retenta sunt and are not forgiuen them By which words visibly was giuen to the Apostles both power to absolue from sinnes and a vertuall commandement to the people to make confession to them of all their mortall sinne since without this confession they could not tell what to remit and when to retaine sinnes The which Apostles being thus visibly by our Sauiour called consecrated and sent did visibly by imposition of hands ordeine others their successors and these others from time to time without interruption vntill this present men who now are Priests and Pastors in the Catholicke Romane Church These therefore I say enter in by Christ the doore and therefore are true Pastors and whosoeuer entreth in anie other way our Sauiour in the same place hath told vs how to account of them where he saith Qui non intrat per ostium in ouile ouium sed ascendit aliunde fur est latro who cometh not to feed the sheepe but to steale kil and destroy them So that we haue not to expect any to be sent of God to teach and instruct vs in faith but such as come in this ordinary maner as it is certain Luther and Caluin did not come The Answer 1 In this place the Iesuite to shew we haue not the Church excepteth against our Pastors and particularly against Luther and Caluin as if they had no lawfull calling to preach as they did And indeed it is a certaine truth that all true Pastors in the Church of God taking vpon them to instruct his people must haue a calling thereunto and be sent of God as the texts alledged do well proue Heb. 5.4 2. Chron. 26.18 Mat. 28.19 Ioh. 10.1 and 20.22 And if anie man leape out of the Church forsaking that company wherein lawful succession vndoubtedly is and with the succession lawfull sending froÌ„ God he must be reputed a hireling that cometh to destroy For this is the touchstone whereby true teachers are discerned and the contrarie discouered And by this we know the Pastors of our Church against whom the Iesuite excepteth to be legitimate For the God of heauen sent them and when they came they leaped not out of the Church otherwise then the wheate doth out of the chaffe when it is winnowed neither did they teach anie thing that was new or contrarie to the Church but continued and reformed the ancient doctrine which the Papacie in the Church had corrupted And let the reader remember which I haue often answered in this booke that the Popish religion and abuses of all sorts in processe of time grew as a leprosie vpon the Church and as I may say incorporated themselues therewith by reason whereof things good euill were mingled together Gods word with mans traditions the true Sacraments with mans errors and the externall calling of Ministers with foule corruptions in which case Luther and our teachers renouncing the said errors traditions and corruptions and retaining the rest cannot be said to haue gone out of the Church but to remaine perfectly in it still because that which they left was not vniuocally of the church but only in conceit was reputed so In the Church of Rome knowne by that name and in no other in these Westerne parts were the true Scriptures Sacraments Callings and Successions euery part of true faith and necessarie doctrine but these things were not the Papacie against which we go the Papacie was and is that which ouer and besides was by degrees added to them And therefore our Pastors leapt not out of the Church which alwayes goeth with the truth but out of the Papacie and preaching by vertue of that externall mission which they receiued in the Papacie they had the vndoubted commission of Christ whereto they had right And euen as when a faire poole of water becometh in time corrupted weedes grow the mudde increaseth and frogs creepe into it the owner thereof cutteth a channell and leauing the corruption drawes the water to another place and so occupieth it without danger and the frogs remaining must not complaine the water is theirs because the pit wherein they remaine is it that first ingendred it no more may the Papacy accuse vs for going out of the church of Rome as long as we left nothing behind vs but the frogs and weedes and that which was the ancient water before they came we are whose growing vpon vs was the cause that we separated although they succeeded in the Church as the weeds and frogs did in the poole 2 The Iesuite obiecteth that God hath planted a Church to endure in all ages wherein he will haue a visible succession of teachers preserued from failing in the true faith therefore none are sent of God but such as come in this ordinarie maner called and succeeding visibly and with peculiar consecration which Christ termeth entring in by the doore The Antecedent whereof is false For though Gods ordinance be that he haue a Church and teachers therein in all ages succeeding one another and standing in the truth yet he hath made no law that this succession shall be visible or with peculiar consecration as the Iesuite meaneth them For by visible he vnderstandeth conspicuous at al times to all the world which is a foolish assertioÌ„ a § 17. And so forward to the 24. confuted in it owne place where he disputed it It is sufficient that the succession of the Pastors in the Church be visible to the children of the Church And by peculiar consecration b Dom. Bann he meaneth the Popish ceremonie of Orders which is a priuate inuention of the later times and the proper corruption that grew to the outward ordination and calling of Ministers which God appointed Let these false definitioâ—s be remoued and the succession and calling and consecration be expounded as God meant them when he said they should alway be in the Church and our Pastors haue them as I haue answered c §. 52. n. 5. §. 53. and so forward before Yea our verie aduersaries denie not but a man may be a lawfull Minister though a Bishop neuer consecrated him and whereas the common opinion in the Church of Rome is that a Bishop differeth not from a Priest in order but in iurisdiction onely hence it followeth vnauoidably that iure diuino a simple priest in some cases may ordaine because
there was any hope from his errors Num tu solus sapu Art thou onely wise The Answer 1 The Protestants will readily yeeld that we ought to giue more credit to the vniuersall company of Catholickes that haue bin in all times spread ouer the world in all places then to one priuate man or some few his fellowes as the Iesuite requireth but when they haue done they will tell him again that he and his faction is not that company nor Luther and themselues those priuate men I grant the Papacy was spread ouer the world as the frogs were spread ouer all Egypt and the multitudes great that followed it but the Catholicke company is not defined by that as Luther and we are not proued to be priuate men either because we were but a few or because we stood opposed to the Church of Rome 2 But the next point is false Vox populi est vox Dei It should be Vox populi Dei est vox Dei but then the Iesuite will be troubled to assure vs that he and his people are this populus Dei They are a Apoc. 17.15 populus turbae gentes linguae But that will do them no good maruell if it condemne them not But yet he hath englished his vox populi false For all men say it not that Papistry is the truth but as I haue shewed in all ages many haue misliked it and at this day do and most heauily complained vnder the burthen of it and long wished for the reformation that God wrought in Luthers time Who opposed himselfe I grant against many but not against all in his time and much lesse against the generall voice of ancient times which saw not the Papacy And the obiectiō mētioned by Luther to haue bene made vnto him in his minde when he began against the Pope was not any worke of Gods spirit to reclaime him from his error which was none but it was the temptation of the flesh that set before his eyes what iudgement the world would giue of his doings which alwaies pleadeth for the multitude and stumbleth at the litle flocke of Christ The which thought his heart apprehending but not following his case was all one with b Exod. 4.1.10 Moses c Ier. 1.6 and Ieremie that were not a little troubled when God would send them so few against so great multitudes Luther wanted neither the diuel nor men to hinder him § 61. Luthers words be these Praefat. de abroganda Missa priuata ad fratres August ord in Coenob Wittenberg Quoties mihi palpitauit tremulū cor reprehendens obiecit fortissimum illud argumentum Tu solus sapis Totne errant vniuersi Tot secula ignorauerunt Quid si tu erres tot tecum in errorem trahis damnandos aeternaliter How often said he did my trembling heart pant and reprehēding me did obiect that most strong forcible argument Art thou alone wise Haue there so many vniuersally erred Haue so many ages bene blind liued in ignorance What rather if thou thy selfe erre and drawest so many after thee into errors who for this cause shall be damned eternally This did almightie God obiect to Luther and this may well be obiected to anie priuate man or anie few that leauing the Kings streete or beaten way of the Catholike Church will seeke out a by-path as being in their conceit a better and easier and more direct way to heauen to them I say may be said Are you onely wise Are all the rest in all former ages fooles Haue you onely after so many hundred yeares after Christ found out the true faith and the right way to heauen Haue all the rest liued in blindnesse darknesse and errors And consequently are you onely them that please God and shall be saued Sine fide impossibile est placere Deo Without the right faith it is vnpossible to please God Heb. 11. And were all the rest so many millions of our forefathers and ancestors manie of which were most innocent and vertuous liuers and some of which shed their bloud for Christ his sake were I say all those hated of God And did all those perish Were all those damned Shall all these endure vnspeakeable torments in hell for euer O impious cruell and incredible assertion The Answer 1 Luthers words alledged were nothing else but a suggestion wherby Satan laboured to hold him still in ignorance by putting feare into his heart when he should consider the generality and antiquitie of the errors against which he was to deale and the poore conceit that the world ouergrowen with the said errors would haue of him d Ier. 20 7. So said Ieremy O God thou hast deceiued me and I am deceiued Thou art stronger then I and hast preuailed against me I am in derision all day long and the whole people mocketh me The which to be the sence of his words appeareth by looking into the place And if Luther had not apprehended the motion in this sence it had bene small discretion for him to reueale it Besides there is nothing in the words sufficient to induce any man of reasonable vnderstanding to Papistry which is a certaine token that Gods spirit did not suggest thē to draw him thereunto For if the Papacy were the truth God would moue men therunto by such reasons as were effectuall Here is the argument e Symmach relat apud Prud. Ambr. that the Pagans vsed in defence of their Idolatrie word for word If long continuance may bring authoritie to religions our faith made to so many ages must be obserued and let vs follow our forefathers who so happily haue followed theirs but who seeth not the weakenesse of such kinde of reasoning 2 Moreouer supposing that which the Iesuite saith might be obiected to priuate men leauing the beaten way of the Catholicke Church to seeke out a by-path of their owne yet we deny the Papacy to haue bin that beaten way or the religion of the Protestants any by-path It was I grant much troden bare worn with trauell but let all Papists take heed of that and be well aduised who were the trauellers f Mat. 7.13 For wide is the gate and spacious is the way that leadeth to destruction and many there be that go it Other high way then this we haue forsakē none But whē the Church of Rome led men out of that way wherein Christ and his Apostles walked the whole Primitiue Church after them into a new way of her owne so craftily misleading them that few in comparison saw the error the rest whom God directed had good reason to call them backe againe into the true way of the Church which though it were much growen vp and made difficult for want of vse yet was it the old way still for all that wherinto God himselfe calleth men g Ier. 6.16 Stand by the waies behold and see and aske for the old paths which is the good way and walke
therein and you shall find rest to your soules 3 The which thing when Martin Luther and our fathers did they found out no new way of their owne but opened the old which the Papacy had forsaken Neither do we thinke they onely were wise and they onely found the true faith but acknowledge the same wisedome and the same faith to haue bene in all ages before them as I haue shewed Onely as that company how great or how small soeuer which embraced our religion is distinguished against the other which liued and died in the practise of Papistry so we say confidently it onely was wise and in the right way and it onely had the true faith and pleased God leauing the other side to his iudgement that best knew what they were 4 And whereas the Iesuit vrgeth the matter touching our forefathers so importunately Were so many millions of our ancestors many whereof were innocent and vertuous liuers and some whereof shed their blood for Christs sake were all these hated of God did all these perish were all these damned I answer not one of them perished that was thus qualified but they were vndoubtedly saued euery mothers sonne of them that liued thus vertuously and innocently shedding their blood for Christs sake But is the Iesuite or any man so fantasticall as to thinke these millions were Papists what Tridentine and Iesuited Papists when the moderne Papacy complete as it is is not yet an hundred yeares old but yonger then Martin Luther himselfe But whosoeuer they were that so followed the corruptions of the Church of Rome that they liued and died in the practise of all the points thereof and hated and persecuted the faith contrary thereunto we say as Saint Paul doth h 2. Th. 2.10 They perished because they receiued not the loue of the truth that they might be saued and therefore God sent them strong delusions to beleeue lies that they might all be damned which beleeued not the truth but had pleasure in vnrighteousnesse and forsomuch as the State of the Papacy the Pope and his religion is Antichrist we say all that obeyed the same are eternally damned For the Scripture teacheth i Apoc. 14 9. That if any man worship the Beast and his image and receiue his marke in his forehead or in his hand the same shall drinke of the wine of the wrath of God and shall be tormented in fire and brimstone And this assertiō is neither impious cruell nor incredible because God hath spoken it whose iust iudgement regardeth not multitudes if they liue in heresie and idolatrie refusing and persecuting the truth offered them be they neuer so great and frequent as it spared not the old world or Sodom or the Iewes in the wildernes or the Gentiles that knew not God whose number farre exceeded those of the Romane Church 5 Againe for a further answer to this question Were all our forefathers liuing vnder the Papacy damned we must distinguish For the errors of the Church of Rome are of two sorts Some capitall and substantiall not onely contrary to the fundamentall articles of our faith needfull to saluation but also hindring the meanes and way which God hath appointed partly without partly within our selues for the bringing vs thereunto Of which sort are the giuing Gods honor to images iustification by workes merits the abolishing of the Scriptures and preaching and such like Some are not so principal but consist onely in the deniall of smaller truths like the hay and stubble which Saint Paul k 1. Cor. 3.12 mentioneth that is built vpon the foundation and of their owne nature other circumstances remoued destroy no article of faith as praier for the dead pilgrimages fasting daies vowes and all those customes that stood onely in rites and ceremonies Againe it is one thing to hold an error wilfully and obstinately ioyning the profession thereof with the hatred and persecution of the truth and another thing to erre ignorantly being seduced by such as teach him with a mind notwithstanding alway ready to embrace the truth whensoeuer he shall be further enlightened These distinctions being premised I answer that in all the time of the Papacy the most people erred in the later kind the greater errors being either not generally receiued or not distinctly knowne by the people As for example in the daies of king Henry the fift f Sacramental tit 1. c. 7. Waldensis noteth that the merit of workes was little knowne And although by reason they wanted teaching they erred in many things followed the custom of the times yet again they saw misliked many things whē they died because they mistrusted the present courses they wold renounce all confidence in Saints crosses images merits such like confesse they looked to be saued by Christ alone which is a signe that they held the foundation Besides they saw into many things that were then done and in their iudgment condemned them carrying a mind alway ready to be taught though the streame of time carried them away m Illyric catal tom 2. p. 867. Thus Domitius Calderinus a learned man when he went to Masse had an vsuall saying Let vs go to the common error and all stories are full of things shewing this to be true They saw the Popes tyranny noted the couetousnesse pride and ambition of the Clergy they espyed the packing of their Priests and Friers they groned vnder innumerable grieuances which they could not redresse and very few among them all held Papistry in forme Whereupon neither hath the Iesuite any reason to say all were Papists such as himselfe neither are we bound to condemne them all but as Saint Cyprian n Epist 3. saith in a certaine Epistle If any that went b fore vs either of ignorance or simplicitie hath not obserued that which the Lord commanded his simplicity through the Lords indulgence may be pardoned But we whom the Lord hath taught instructed cannot be pardoned Out of which words we see what to iudge of such multitudes as erred of ignorance and went after the the Pope o 2. Sam. 15.11 as Dauids subiects did after Absolō in his rebellion in their simplicitie knowing nothing As for the rest that both erred in the foundation and hated the truth as our aduersaries in our countrey this day do blaspheming the way of God hating instruction stopping their eares against the word that we offer them and carrying themselues obstinately and maliciously against vs and so dying in the armes of the whore of Babylon we say without impiety they are gone to eternall fire according to that which God in his word hath reuealed § 62. Nay surely I am rather to thinke that you are vnwise who pretending to trauell toward the happy kingdome of heauen and to go to that glorious Citie the heauenly Ierusalem will leaue the beaten street in which all those haue walked that euer heretofore went thither who by miracles as it were by letters sent from
42.11 Mortall sinne Digress 38. See Sin Monasteries were first throwne down by Papists 42.10 Of vile report in their time 42.12 The testimonies of diuers old writers touching the liues of cloisterers Digress 45. A bragge that the Papists make touching the order of Bennet 42.13 N NEcessitie of good works expounded and handled Digress 34. Notes of the Church See Church O OBscuritie of the Scripture not so great as the Papists obiect Digress 8. Why they make folke beleeue they are so obscure Digress 9. See Scripture Occham the Schoolman 50.35 Onely faith See Faith onely Opinions Variable exceedingly among the Papists 35.21 The saying that they vary not in dogmaticall points answered 35.19 Originall sin No agreement among the Papists touching the nature of it 50.17 Originall text of the Bible is the Hebrew and Greeke which is free frō all corruption 6.11 and 35.3 P PAinter The Painters iest 38.6 Painting Christs armes for what vse 40.35 Papists famous for controlling reiecting censuring and purging one another 44.14 An example of their impudent deniall of all antiquitie 44.15 50.18 They wipe our names out of bookes 45.2 Papistry is a complete doctrine of liberty and a meere witty deuice for the maintenance of their ambition and pleasure 43.3 and Digress 46. A new religion 48.1 Pardons when and how they came in 50.8 They release all satisfaction 40.33 The treasury whence they rise nu 34. A view of long pardons granted for short seruice nu 35. Penance The Papists cannot tell whē it was ordained nor by what Scripture it is proued Digress 55. Peter receiued no more power ouer the Church then the other Disciples did disputed 36.12 inde The Papists are not agreed how his supremacie is proued or what it containeth 36.39 inde Pope made iudge of our faith 5.8 and ouer the Fathers 44.11 His iudgement was not receiued as the rule in the primitiue Church Digress 25. but be was resisted ibid The Papists themselues will not yeeld to his iudgement 36.8 Manie Popes deposed nu 8. What kind of men they commonly are nu 9. He was tyed to his owne prouince in the primitiue Church 36.26 He may erre See Erre He calleth him selfe S. Peter 36.38 Popes what kind of men how they haue bene chosen 55.9 Manie at once nu 10. The liues of some of them described 57.9 How the Popes sinne is excused 57.11 Popes succession He is not S. Peters successor Digress 29. If the Pope be not effectually proued to succeed S. Peter in the conceited primacie all Papistrie will fall 36.24 Prayer in Latine misliked by some Papists 35.20 Long pardons promised to short Prayers 40.35 Predestination Our doctrin touching this point is belyed by the Papists 40.43 The doctrine thereof layed down n. 44. It imposeth no naturall necessitie vpon the second causes ibid. The reconciliation of it and Free will nu 45 46. The Papists make the will of man as subiect to Gods decree as we do num 46 47. It is not for works foreseene num 49. Presidencie ouer Councels belonged not to the Pope of old 36.29 Priests power to remit sinne denied by learned Papists 35.20 This power handled Digress 55. Their mariage allowed in ancient times 47.4 The foulenesse of their liues noted in the Papacie 38.5 A sillie Priest that beleeued all was true that was printed 42.8 Purging of bookes the Papists practise 35.18 Puritanes That name doth properly belong to Papists 40.19 Q. QVestions of faith must be decided by the Scriptures Digres 3. No end of Questions among the Schoolemen 35.21 R. REading the Scriptures forbidden by the Papists 2.3 The lay people did reade them in ancient time 47.3 Rebaptization a point wherein there was much contention 36.4 Reprobation not for works foreseene 40.49 Religious men Orders See Monks Resolution of our faith See Faith Romane Church How the world in former times communicated with it 46.2 The Greeks refuse it ibid. How it increased 47.1 When the faith of the ancient Roman church began to be altered into that which now is therein 50.4 inde Resistance made against the change nu 5. One meanes whereby it may euidently be demōstrated that the Romane Church hath changed the old faith nu 15. A full demonstration of the resistance made in all ages against the Romane Churches alteration Digress 52. The obiections that are made against the catalogue are answered nu 40. The Romane Church altered the faith by little and little how it is meant 51.3 How the Fathers praised the Romane Church 56.1 How the faith of the Roman Church grew 58.1 The Papists absurdly call the Catholicke Church the Romane Church 13.3 Rule of faith is certaine 3.1 Such a rule is simply necessarie ibid. but not reuealed to all ibid. It hath fiue properties 4.1 The Scripture is it ibid. and the Papists cannot denie it 4.6 How we call the translated Scriptures the rule 6.1 The rule is easie though some meanes be needfull to learne it 7.2 and 8.10 How the doctrine or teaching of the Church may be called the rule 13.1 See Church S. SAcrament Seuē Sacraments merrily prooued in a Sermon at the Councell of Trent 8.15 How the Sacraments are a marke of the Church See Church Sacrament in one kind against antiquitie 35.11 and 47 7. In both kinds best 35.20 Our doctrine touching the Eucharist layed downe and how Christ is present therein 51.10 The Papists haue no certaintie of the presence of Christ in the Sacrament 47.9 Saints What kind of Saints the Protestants haue 39.1 and what kinde the Papists 39.2 41.1 Obiectiōs against the Popes canonizing of Saints 39.3 The Papists claime kindred of manie Saints that neuer knew the Popish religion 42.1 Saluation A man may be assured thereof 35.20 by what meanes 40.39 The Papists not able to denie this 41.10 Sanctification of life absolutely necessarie to saluation Digress 34. Satisfaction What kinde of Satisfaction we require and teach Digres 39. and what kind the Papists ibid. The true state of the question touching Satisfaction 40.28 Note what the Papists teach concerning the Satisfaction of our workes nu 30. Our workes satisfie not nu 31. The Papists play with their Satisfaction nu 33. Pardons release all Satisfaction num 30. A view of the Papists vncertainties and contradictions in this question of Satisfaction num 34. Scripture The people allowed to read it in ancient times 47.3 The Scripture is a letter sent from God to man 62.2 The Papists forbid the reading of them 2.3 and disputing of them num 4. The knowledge thereof needfull num 7. They are easie to such as haue the meanes 4.2 It onely is the rule of faith 4.1 and 10.1 and 34.1 The true cause why the Papists disable the Scripture from being the rule Digress 4 It must be Translated See Translations It is not obscure 7.2 Digress 8. but onely in two cases 8.1 How the sence thereof is attained 8.2 It containeth all things needfull nu 3. Why learned men varie