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A49979	News of a trumpet sounding in the wilderness, or, The Quakers antient testimony revived, examined and compared with itself, and also with their new doctrine whereby the ignorant may learn wisdom, and the wise advance in their understandings / collected with diligence, and carefully cited from their antient and later writings, and recommended to the serious reading and consideration of all enquiring Christians, by Daniel Leeds.	Leeds, Daniel, 1652-1720.	1697 (1697)	Wing L914; ESTC R11241	77,230	166

to this Question viz. Why this following Doctrine so frequently preached form●rly by antient Friends is now let fall and not preached by any of you viz. I the Light will overturn Nations Kingdoms and gathered Churches that will not own me the Light in them I will make you knew that I the Light am the true Eternal God p. 1● Lig●t and L●●e c. Again News out of the North p. 15. I am the same Door that ever was says G. F. the same Christ to day yesterday and forever the Light is the Eye that sees it Again Quest. to Professors p 27. D●th not the Name Christ belong ●o the whole Body and to every Member of the Body aswell as to the Head Again News from the North say I speak the same Seed which is Christ says G. F. and if the Seed speak which is Christ be hath no other Name Again Saul's Errand to Dama●cus p. 7 8. If Christ be in you must ●e not say I am the Way the Truth and the Life And he that hath the same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead is Equal with God viz. the holy Ghost see great Mystry p. 66 127. To ●●e short I omit much more such Doctli●e from divers others Now I say seeing you have hitherto justified this as Gospel and Christian Doctrine in those who publisht it why do you not continue to preach it as they did seeing also 't is the Faith or Belief of all you Preachers in general That when you preach or pray 't is not you but Christ in you that prays I prove this to be your Belief by these two Reasons First You do never in your Meetings pray for Pardon or Forgiven●● of Sin Not that I have heard in Twenty years due attendance for seeing 't is Christ in you that prays there is no need of it he being without sin Secondly You do not pray to Christ because it being Christ in you that prays it is absurd for Christ to pray to himself But I 'll take leave to tell you and prove it too if need be That you are of a different Faith in these two things from the Apostles Saints and Martyrs yea your Faith or Principle herein is contrary to all the primitive Christians in general for the Scripture Church History and Book of Martyrs shew that then Religion led them to pray publickly for Pardon for their Sins and some even at the point of Death and also both Apostles and other Christians frequently prayed to Jesus Christ as well as to God the Father Indeed your Presumption in this Anti-christian Principle is to be lamented for when some of your Fellow Ministers have been guilty of Whoredoms Adulteries c. though not then openly known yet these men thus secretly guilty cannot stoop no more than you to pray for Pardon for their Sins but still keep to their common Form in Prayer and this is a Truth known to more than your selves Now I ask you Whether do you Believe 't is Christ that prays in these men too as well as in you who may not so be guilty Pray answer in Truth and Sincerity to this and the rest of the particulars or other ways ●e silent out I have cause to believe you will do neither but rather as G. W. has of late years done in answering Books as I have seen where he has not taken notice of scarce a twentith part of a Book out only send out something and call it an Answer to Please your People and that they may have something to say when people cry where is the Answer to such of such a Book Now I sincerely profess that I have done nothing herein but with an honest design not having wilfully or knowingly wronged either Books or Authors in any one passage Therefore I propose this to you Preachers who publickly accuse us that have lately printed calling us Apostates Lyars and that we have both abused you and your Friends Books in falsly citing Passages out of the same and wronging their sense and the like to come forth to prove these Charges in the face of the world and if it be found that we have indeed therein wronged you Errors of the Press and other causual Mistakes excepted which are incident to all you shall in justice and equity have publick Satisfaction Come S Jenings Come John Simcock Come John Rodman Juda Allen W. Gabitas and all other our Accusers appoint a publick Meeting at Philadelphia at a Months warning by a few Lines under your hands put at some publick places at Burlington and Philadelphia and giving me also under your hand that you intend no other and I promise in the behalf of my self and Friends to meet you if God permit provided it be in some publick place where all may hear how you prove your Charges Come forth I say fairly to prove your Charges and no longer lie backbiting belying and abusing of us in your own Meeting-houses as you do where you will give none leave to answer you But I must tell you ●lainly I know you so well that I expect no such fair dealing at your hands Therefore I 'll give the world a Sign by which they may know that you do not only abuse bely and Charge us falsl● in this case But also that your own Consciences tells you that you are guilty of so doing The Sign is this If you know and are conscious to your selves that you have and do so bely us c. then you 'll not come forth according to this Proposition But if you find you can get the least advantage of us by out-witting or otherways wording the matter tho' with never so much falsity Then you 'll come forth and be glad I give you this opportunity And by this SIGN shall you be Proved Thus my Conscience bears witness that I am clear of the guilt of your charge Therefore as says W. P. with Religious boldness ● subscribe your Friend Daniel Le●ds A COPY of A LETTER Sent to the Author by a Person of Note whose 〈◊〉 Name is left out because printed without his Knowledge Esteemed Friend D. L. I Have perused thy Book entituled News of a Trumpet sounding in the Wilderness● c. in which thou hast discovered and laid open the Mystery of Iniquity more clearly than I have seen done by any other And for thy labour and pain● therein I pray God of his Bounty to reward thee and also protect thee from the cruel Effects of the Envy of those People therein concerned who being Potent round about thee thou canst expe●t no other Protection Though perhaps the thoughts of the suddain stop that the Philadelphia Quakers met with when they were so hot at persecuting G. K. and his Friends may in some degree check them and hinder them from doing what otherwise they would Since I was with thee at Burlington in 16●2 I have thought God Almighty was then fitting thee for some purpose because of the suddain and Miraculous Recovery in

into it and that Christs Soul dyed when the Body dyed For this see at Numb 37 38 39. where they deny the Body to be Christ that it was Christ that ●●od yea they declare That Christ in that Body dyed or was crucified And that both Soul and Body was sacrificed see Numb 42 2dly That Muggelton holds That the Godhead Life dyed That when Christ dyed God dyed Now see above whether they do not hold the same for at Numb 39 11 G. W. says It was Christ ●●at dyed and ● P. says Christ is of an Eternal Nature and his flesh and bones are of his Nature for nothing is Eternal but God Mark that and compare it with their holding That Christ in the Body dyed 3dly That Muggleton holds That Christ being God imbodied with flesh and bone one Person without us cannot be in the Quakers For this see at Numb 35 36 12. where they hold Christ remains a Man consisting of Spirit Soul and Body the same Body that dyed and that the Body of Christ is not so much as in any one 4thly That Muggleton holds That God was born of Mary For this see at Numb 33 51. where they declare Christ to be true God born of Mary also That God the Father took humane or Mans Nature 5thly That Muggleton holds That the Devil became Flesh Blood and Bone For this see the Preface to G. W 's Judgment fixt where he says of some seperate Quakers That they are Devils incarnate viz. made flesh or become Man which is flesh blood and bone Le● G. W. otherwise demonstrate this if he can seeing he says The Lord laid a necessity on him to write it Thus it appears how far their Doctrine agrees with what G. W. calls Mu●gletons false and blasphemous Opinions Therefore as G. W. in p. 20. of the same Book says to the Baptists Pray you Baptists says he before you conclude a final Sentence upon us agree upon a consistent Creed that you intend to stand by if you intend to impose upon us to believe as you believe upon pain of Damnation So now the Baptists and other Professors may face about and say to the ●uakers Pray you Quakers tell us why did you not agree upon a consistent Creed that you intend to stand by if you intend to impose upon us to believe as you believe before you sentenced us to Damnation as many of you have done as G. W. has done in his Book called Ishmael c. p. 11 12. in these words viz. Sensless natural brute Beasts MADE to be DESTROYED Reserved in EVERLASTING Chains under Darkness for everlasting Fire Dogs Sorcerers shut out from God with many more such dreadful Sentences or Quakers Complements which agree well with Muggleton's Curses at which George has been an Artist in his day and his Brother Penn follows him close for he avouches the most cruel of these sort of Complements in Reas agt. Railing p. 165 as if these Quakers had a Patent to revile and pronounce People Damned But pray look upon G. W 's other co●fident face in his Apost Incenta●y p. 4. where he says As ●or our confessing that ●E are the Church o● the first born let OUR ●O●TRINE TESTIMONY LIVES and SU●FERING's bear witness To which I say SO BE IT let thei● D●ctrine and Testimony before cited bear witness and let their Lives bear witness for let their preaching against the Delight ●ashions of the world and against REVILINGS Envy Pride Covetousness and other Deba●che●ies bear witness while the world sees them guilty of an these things as well as others Now let them come forth and give a better Demonstration than their bear Say-so that they are the Church of the first born more than other Professors of Christianity or else who do they think will believe them And lastly As to their Sufferings bearing witness that they are the Church of the first born I say if they will have Sufferings to be a Demonstration then is the Church of England whom they have so much condemned the Church of the first born for they have really out-done the Quakers in Sufferings as all the imp●rtial will judg● fo● how many of them have expire● in the ●●ames how many strange cruel Torturers and bloody Massacrees in divers places have many of them suffered for Religion and doubtless God would enable them to endure he like Sufferings again rather then they would renounce their Religion The like may be said of the Reformed Churches beyond Sea what cruel ●ufferings have they undergone Thus my Old Friends you may perceive how willing I am that you should see that you ●re at higher but upon even ground with other Christ an Pro●essors whom you condemn yea certainly you have exceeded a●● that I yet ever knew in Equivocation hiding o● Sin Reviling c. 'T is my Prayer to God that I may be Instrumental to bring you down from despising your Fe●low Creatu●es Professors of Ch●ist as well as you But G. W. to prove the Quakers to be indeed the true Church and not the Baptists says in Qrs. plainness p. 33. We have a Record in Heaven and also in many Consciences c. Now Mark does not the Baptists say the same in their Book called A way to Zion So that here one b●ings as good Proof as t'other one says and t'other says yet G. F. unchristians all Professors but themselves for in his Professors Catechism his very first words are Come you Vnchristians let us talk with you But to face about again W. Penn in his Perswasive to Moderation pag. 46. calls them all Christians and says They only differ in the Comment all allowing one Deity Saviour and Judge good Works Rewards and Punishments But the same W P turns again and in his Rejoynder p. 339 says Oh! the Dreadful Darkness that over-spreads the hearts of the called Christians Therefore says S Fisher p. 773. Now this not the other anon it s either Then by and by its both and neither CHAP. III. A short Summary of Citations from the Quakers Books shewing they deny Jesus of Nazareth to be the Christ. SEe at Numb 36 20. where they hold those to be false Ministers who preach Christ without ●id People believe in him as he is in Heaven above And that the Light within is Christ and is ONLY and principal and admits not of another Also at Numb 15 51 where they deny a God imagined to be beyong the Stars And deny God and Christ to be a Man in one Person Now he who is the Christ of all true Christians is Jesus of Nazareth who is God and Man in one Person and this Person is without all men in Heaven above yea and beyond the Stars too and cannot be in any man But he who is the Christ of these Quakers they here shew is not without man not in Heaven above not beyond the Stars not God and Man in one Person but that the Light within is Only their Christ and