Selected quad for the lemma: religion_n

Word A Word B Word C Word D Occurrence Frequency Band MI MI Band Prominent
religion_n church_n faith_n prove_v 3,810 5 6.3590 4 false
View all documents for the selected quad

Text snippets containing the quad

ID Title Author Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication) STC Words Pages
A10446 A treatise intitled, Beware of M. Iewel. By Iohn Rastel Master of Arte and student of diuinitie Rastell, John, 1532-1577. 1566 (1566) STC 20729; ESTC S121801 155,259 386

There are 6 snippets containing the selected quad. | View original text

than_o their_o vulgar_a tongue_n and_o of_o the_o better_a sort_n how_o many_o there_o be_v which_o so_o know_v a_o other_o tongue_n beside_o their_o own_o that_o they_o be_v not_o much_o the_o wise_a for_o it_o you_o may_v see_v then_o how_o dangerous_a and_o sore_a a_o fellow_n m._n jewel_n be_v now_o concern_v other_o two_o proposition_n which_o m._n jewel_n have_v with_o like_a art_n gather_v out_o of_o d._n hardinge_n word_n about_o the_o latin_a tongue_n as_o he_o have_v do_v about_o the_o greek_a to_o make_v his_o craft_n more_o sensyble_a let_v d._n hardings_n own_o word_n be_v plain_o set_v forth_o after_o that_o these_o country_n 59_o harding_n fol._n 59_o say_v d._n harding_n speak_v of_o y_z e_z west_n church_n have_v be_v instruct_v in_o the_o faith_n as_o thing_n grow_v to_o perfection_n they_o have_v their_o service_n according_o no_o doubt_n such_o as_o be_v use_v in_o the_o church_n from_o whence_o their_o first_o apostle_n and_o preacher_n be_v send_v and_o because_o the_o first_o preacher_n of_o the_o faith_n come_v to_o these_o west_n part_n from_o rome_n direct_v some_o from_o s._n peter_n some_o from_o s._n clement_n some_o other_o afterward_o from_o other_o bishop_n of_o that_o sea_n apostolic_a they_o plant_v and_o set_v up_o in_o the_o country_n by_o they_o convert_v the_o service_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n or_o some_o other_o very_o like_a and_o that_o in_o the_o latin_a tongue_n only_o for_o aught_o that_o can_v be_v show_v to_o the_o contrary_n hereof_o may_v be_v gather_v two_o proposition_n the_o first_o service_n proposition_n serve_v to_o the_o question_n of_o public_a service_n the_o west_n church_n have_v such_o service_n as_o be_v use_v in_o the_o church_n from_o whence_o their_o first_o apostle_n and_o preacher_n come_v the_o second_o the_o first_o planter_n of_o the_o faith_n come_v to_o these_o west_n part_n from_o rome_n but_o how_o do_v m._n jewel_n conceive_v these_o matter_n he_o proufe_v say_v he_o for_o the_o latin_a service_n hang_v upon_o two_o point_n the_o first_o be_v that_o all_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o west_n part_n of_o the_o world_n come_v only_o from_o the_o byshoppe_n of_o rome_n first_o you_o be_v deceive_v in_o your_o number_n because_o this_o be_v not_o the_o first_o add_v jew._n 167_o m._n jew._n busy_a in_o change_v &_o sh●fting_v and_o alter_v and_o add_v but_o the_o second_o proposition_n by_o d._n hardinge_n account_v then_o in_o that_o second_o of_o d._n hardinge_n you_o find_v not_o these_o word_n all_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o west_n or_o these_o come_v only_a from_z rome_n for_o that_o have_v be_v nothing_o else_o but_o to_o geve_v you_o a_o occasion_n to_o slip_v away_o from_o the_o principal_a question_n and_o to_o enter_v into_o a_o endless_a &_o nedelesse_a talk_n about_o all_o the_o faith_n to_o come_v from_o and_o to_o come_v only_a from_o rome_n which_o because_o it_o be_v not_o give_v therefore_o you_o make_v it_o to_o yourself_o of_o your_o own_o wit_n and_o reason_n strong_o in_o y_z e_z matter_n y_fw-mi t_z the_o faith_n come_v not_o into_o these_o quarter_n only_a from_o because_o s._n paul_n plant_v the_o faith_n in_o england_n ●heasses_n nedelesse_a prove_n of_o m._n jew._n and_o full_a of_o ●heasses_n and_o also_o joseph_n of_o aramathea_n as_o be_v surmise_v by_o the_o british_a chronicle_n and_o because_o we_o the_o welshman_n you_o mean_v being_n yourself_o bear_v in_o devonsheere_n follow_v the_o church_n of_o grecia_n in_o keep_v of_o easter_n with_o such_o other_o mighty_a argument_n then_o for_o the_o other_o part_n that_o all_o faith_n come_v not_o from_o rome_n you_o press_v we_o sore_o with_o tertullians_n authority_n that_o jerusalem_n be_v the_o mother_n and_o the_o spring_n of_o religion_n as_o who_o shall_v think_v that_o jacob_n be_v not_o father_n of_o joseph_n because_o jacob_n himself_o be_v beget_v of_o isaac_n and_o that_o rome_n can_v not_o be_v mother_n of_o the_o west_n church_n because_o she_o herself_o have_v her_o parent_n out_o of_o jerusalem_n or_o as_o though_o d._n harding_n have_v stay_v upon_o the_o question_n of_o all_o faith_n and_o that_o only_a from_o rome_n which_o at_o all_o make_v no_o mention_n of_o all_o or_o only_o so_o loose_o you_o have_v behave_v yourself_o in_o your_o first_o point_n let_v we_o now_o consider_v your_o second_o the_o second_o be_v 167_o jew._n 167_o that_o the_o planter_n of_o the_o same_o faith_n minister_v the_o common_a seruyce_n every_o where_o in_o the_o latin_a tongue_n this_o be_v the_o first_o of_o d._n hardinge_n proposition_n though_o m._n jewel_n make_v it_o the_o second_o point_n and_o in_o d._n hardinge_n word_n there_o be_v special_a mention_n neither_o of_o latin_n tongue_n jew._n more_o change_a and_o alter_v of_o m._n jew._n neither_o of_o every_o where_o but_o general_o he_o say_v it_o that_o such_o service_n be_v in_o these_o west_n part_n as_o be_v use_v in_o the_o church_n from_o whence_o their_o first_o apostle_n and_o preacher_n be_v send_v and_o this_o may_v stand_v whether_o they_o come_v from_o jerusalem_n greece_n or_o rome_n wherefore_o he_o specify_v nothing_o until_o his_o second_o proposition_n where_o out_o of_o this_o principle_n he_o gather_v that_o because_o the_o faith_n come_v in_o to_o the_o west_n from_o rome_n and_o they_o have_v the_o latin_a service_n therefore_o it_o shall_v follow_v by_o good_a reason_n that_o it_o be_v also_o deliver_v in_o latin_a where_o they_o plant_v the_o christian_a religion_n consider_v now_o indifferent_a reader_n how_o shameful_o m._n jewel_n have_v disorder_v these_o matter_n of_o four_o plain_a and_o credible_a proposition_n he_o have_v make_v such_o a_o conveyaunce_n by_o add_v by_o take_v away_o by_o make_v of_o particular_n general_n by_o draw_v the_o general_n to_o special_a point_n by_o make_v that_o first_o which_o be_v second_o by_o promote_a y_o e_o inferior_a unto_o y_o e_fw-la superior_n place_n y_z t_z he_o have_v leave_v nothing_o as_o he_o find_v it_o but_z as_o it_o be_v of_o set_a purpose_n labour_v to_o make_v confusion_n only_o the_o sum_n of_o m._n jewel_n conveiaunce_n in_o ●oure_n proposition_n only_o all_o y_o e_o people_n of_o some_o country_n have_v their_o service_n in_o greek_a say_v d._n harding_n he_o will_v prove_v saithe_n m._n jewel_n that_o all_o the_o greek_a church_n have_v it_o whole_o &_o through_o in_o the_o greek_a tongue_n some_o whole_a country_n for_o y_z e_z more_o part_n understode_v not_o greek_a quod_fw-la d._n hard._n some_o whole_a country_n understand_v not_o greek_a quod_fw-la m._n jewel_n by_o his_o gather_n the_o faith_n come_v into_o the_o west_n from_o rome_n quod_fw-la d._n harding_n all_o the_o faith_n come_v only_o from_o rome_n say_v m._n jewel_n upon_o it_o the_o planter_n of_o y_fw-fr e_o faith_n set_v up_o in_o the_o country_n by_o they_o convert_v such_o service_n as_o then selue_o use_v quod_fw-la d._n harding_n the_o planter_n of_o the_o same_o faith_n quod_fw-la m._n jewel_n upon_o it_o minister_v the_o common_a service_n every_o where_o in_o the_o latin_n tongue_n what_o miserable_a shift_a and_o change_v be_v this_o what_o boldness_n in_o venture_v what_o ordinary_a course_n in_o deceive_v yet_o this_o in_o deed_n be_v y_o e_o way_n to_o save_v himself_o from_o take_v if_o he_o can_v bring_v the_o question_n to_o such_o a_o generality_n y_a t_o if_o he_o be_v drive_v from_o one_o place_n he_o mai_fw-gr flee_v to_o a_o other_o to_o make_v y_o ●_o adversary_n weri_fw-la of_o follow_v &_o the_o reader_n weary_a of_o look_v for_o suppose_v y_fw-es e_fw-es latin_a service_n be_v use_v in_o aphrica_n y_fw-es e_fw-it vulgar_a people_n not_o understand_v it_o yet_o that_o be_v not_o every_o where_o suppose_v it_o be_v use_v in_o france_n yet_o neither_o y_o e_o prove_v every_o where_o come_v near_a home_n to_o england_n and_o prove_v it_o to_o have_v be_v use_v there_o yet_o very_a much_o lack_v of_o every_o where_o and_o so_o may_v m._n jewel_n like_o a_o bishop_n in_o deed_n not_o of_o sarum_n but_o of_o the_o west_n church_n go_v from_o country_n to_o country_n in_o a_o strange_a visitation_n &_o never_o make_v a_o end_n of_o interrogatory_n &_o inquisition_n until_o d._n harding_n shall_v satisfy_v his_o lordship_n in_o all_o point_n and_o prove_v y_fw-mi ●_o every_o where_o in_o the_o west_n the_o service_n be_v minister_v in_o y_fw-es e_fw-es latin_a tongue_n which_o thing_n i_o do_v not_o say_v y_z t_z the_o catholic_n be_v not_o able_a to_o declare_v but_o be_v y_z t_z as_o it_o may_v be_v i_o note_v y_fw-fr e_o craft_n &_o cunning_a of_o m._n jew._n which_o will_v draw_v all_o thing_n to_o such_o a_o generality_n or_o preciseness_n of_o term_n all_o faith_n only_a from_z rome_n every_o where_o etc._n etc._n and_o in_o any_o part_n alter_v
of_o speech_n to_o a_o far_a other_o purpose_n what_o be_v y_o it_o he_o allege_v the_o word_n and_o then_o infer_v it_o may_v appear_v that_o chrysostome_n by_o these_o word_n mean_v a_o solemn_a prayer_n to_o conclude_v y_z e_o whole_a but_o how_o apply_v you_o now_o these_o thing_n to_o yonr_a purpose_n because_o s._n chrysos_n mean_v by_o benedicere_fw-la sancta_fw-la a_o prayer_n to_o conclude_v his_o liturgy_n do_v leontius_n understand_v just_a y_fw-mi e_o same_o by_o those_o word_n in_o what_o logik_n find_v you_o that_o consequence_n or_o by_o what_o manner_n of_o likelihood_n make_v you_o it_o probable_a mark_v it_o better_o m._n jew._n &_o you_o shall_v perceive_v y_z t_z which_o you_o will_v conclude_v not_o only_o to_o be_v unlikely_a but_o also_o impossible_a for_o y_fw-fr e_o benediction_n of_o which_o s._n chrysost_o speak_v be_v you_o say_v a_o solemn_a prayer_n to_o conclude_v y_z e_o whole_a but_o y_o e_o benediction_n of_o which_o leontius_n tell_v you_o be_v before_o the_o pater_fw-la noster_fw-la of_o the_o mass_n which_o prayer_n be_v use_v when_o the_o mystery_n be_v not_o yet_o receive_v therefore_o undoubted_o the_o meaning_n be_v not_o one_o in_o they_o both_o concern_v benedicere_fw-la sancta_fw-la which_o be_v refer_v to_o so_o distinct_a time_n and_n condition_n and_o your_o craftiness_n may_v be_v espy_v which_o will_v destroy_v one_o truth_n by_o a_o other_o the_o answer_n which_o m._n jewel_n make_v be_v this_o benedicere_fw-la sancta_fw-la signify_v in_o s._n chrysostome_n a_o solemn_a prayer_n make_v to_o conclude_v the_o whole_a ergo_fw-la benedicere_fw-la sancta_fw-la that_o be_v to_o bless_v the_o holy_a thing_n do_v not_o signify_v in_o leontius_n history_n consecration_n let_v we_o come_v to_o a_o other_o example_n petra_n the_o 4._o example_n matth._n 16._o petra_n our_o saviour_n say_v unto_o s._n peter_n thou_o be_v peter_n a_o rock_n and_o upon_o this_o rock_n will_v i_o build_v my_o church_n ergo_fw-la s._n peter_n be_v most_o fast_o set_v above_o all_o other_o in_o worthiness_n and_o he_o be_v a_o most_o sure_a and_o principal_a person_n in_o the_o build_n of_o christ_n his_o church_n such_o as_o by_o which_o all_o the_o faithful_a shall_v be_v stay_v which_o prove_v his_o singular_a prerogative_n but_o say_v m._n jewel_n christ_n be_v the_o rock_n 222._o jew._n 222._o who_o deni_v it_o again_o the_o confession_n of_o s._n peter_n be_v the_o rock_n neither_o this_o be_v deny_v and_o to_o prove_v this_o that_o no_o catholic_a deni_v he_o lack_v no_o authority_n but_o how_o follow_v this_o that_o because_o christ_n be_v the_o rock_n therefore_o s._n peter_n be_v not_o the_o rock_n or_o because_o y_z e_o church_n be_v build_v on_o the_o faith_n of_o s._n peter_n therefore_o it_o be_v not_o build_v upon_o the_o person_n which_o have_v that_o faith_n by_o like_a reason_n you_o may_v conclude_v confute_v by_o such_o argument_n all_o religion_n have_v be_v confute_v god_n be_v our_o king_n and_o our_o father_n ergo_fw-la we_o owe_v not_o supreme_a reverence_n in_o their_o kind_n to_o our_o prince_n or_o our_o parent_n which_o be_v nothing_o else_o but_o by_o one_o truth_n to_o destroy_v a_o other_o and_o for_o lack_v of_o understanding_n and_o abundance_n of_o presume_v neither_o to_o distinct_a duty_n and_o office_n according_o neither_o to_o refrain_v from_o determine_v that_o which_o we_o know_v not_o over_o hasty_o otherwise_o it_o be_v quick_o to_o be_v perceave_v that_o christ_n be_v the_o rock_n by_o merit_n s._n peter_n by_o mere_a mercy_n christ_n by_o absolute_a authority_n s._n peter_n by_o mean_n of_o legacy_n christ_n before_o and_o above_o all_o other_o s._n peter_n above_o all_o other_o but_o yet_o after_o and_o not_o before_o christ_n by_o which_o commodity_n of_o distinction_n those_o proposition_n which_o protestant_n feign_v to_o be_v contrary_a one_o to_o y_z e_z other_z will_v stand_v and_o agree_v well_o together_o the_o brief_a argument_n of_o m._n jewel_n be_v this_o the_o rock_n which_o christ_n speak_v of_o to_o s._n peter_n signify_v the_o confession_n of_o s._n peter_n faith_n ergo_fw-la it_o signify_v not_o s._n peter_n confess_v it_o an_o other_o example_n 12._o the._n five_o example_n ambr._n 2._o cor._n 12._o s_o androw_n follow_v our_o saviour_n before_o s._n peter_n and_o yet_o say_v s._n ambrose_n androw_n receive_v not_o primatum_fw-la the_o primacy_n but_o peter_n but_o 245_o jew._n 245_o m._n jewel_n auswer_v it_o be_v easy_a to_o be_v show_v that_o primatus_fw-la among_o the_o old_a father_n be_v far_o otherwise_o use_v i_o mean_v for_o any_o superiority_n or_o preferment_n before_o other_o primatus_fw-la primatus_fw-la and_o this_o he_o prove_v at_o large_a by_o phrase_n of_o speech_n use_v about_o esau_n about_o the_o heretic_n abbate_n eutyches_n or_o towards_o any_o of_o the_o four_o patriarch_n but_o what_o conclude_v he_o thinck_v he_o ▪_o because_o the_o primacy_n that_o esau_n lose_v for_o a_o dish_n of_o pottage_n be_v to_o wear_v a_o better_a cote_n than_o his_o fellow_n or_o to_o sit_v high_a at_o the_o table_n or_o to_o have_v thrice_o or_o five_o time_n more_o meat_n for_o his_o part_n than_o a_o other_o or_o any_o other_o such_o thing_n belong_v to_o the_o honour_n of_o the_o first_o bear_v that_o the_o primacy_n which_o s._n ambrose_n attribute_v to_o s._n peter_n may_v have_v the_o very_a self_n same_o sense_n in_o it_o or_o because_o eutyches_n have_v a_o primacy_n in_o his_o abbey_n may_v it_o therefore_o be_v lawful_a for_o we_o to_o imagine_v that_o all_o the_o apostle_n live_v in_o one_o cloister_n together_o and_o that_o s._n peter_n be_v no_o more_o than_o a_o abbate_n among_o they_o beside_o this_o if_o primatus_fw-la do_v signify_v any_o preferment_n it_o serve_v also_o to_o signify_v the_o supremacy_n and_o so_o as_o you_o wish_v that_o it_o shall_v be_v take_v in_o your_o sense_n so_o shall_v you_o just_o have_v provide_v for_o it_o lest_o it_o be_v take_v in_o a_o other_o sense_n and_o this_o true_o have_v be_v your_o part_n m._n jewel_n to_o prove_v that_o s._n ambrose_n do_v not_o mean_a by_o s._n peter_n primacy_n the_o general_n government_n over_o all_o the_o world_n as_o for_o the_o bare_a show_v of_o it_o y_z ●_o primatus_fw-la have_v diverse_a sense_n it_o be_v mete_v &_o convenient_a for_o a_o schoolmaster_n or_o maker_n of_o dictionary_n but_o in_o a_o answerer_n it_o be_v not_o reasonable_a except_o there_o follow_v a_o application_n thereof_o to_o his_o purpose_n you_o love_v always_o to_o drine_v the_o catholic_n to_o the_o prove_a side_n know_v it_o to_o be_v safe_a &_o easy_a for_o you_o to_o stand_v still_o at_o the_o denial_n of_o every_o thing_n and_o who_o so_o folishe_a that_o can_v not_o do_v so_o if_o say_v you_o this_o word_n primatus_fw-la must_v signify_v that_o power_n and_o government_n 145_o jew._n 145_o that_o m._n harding_n fantasi_v then_o must_v it_o follow_v of_o necessity_n that_o esau_n eutyches_n the_o bishop_n of_o antioch_n and_o the_o bishop_n of_o alexandria_n have_v the_o universal_a power_n and_o government_n of_o the_o whole_a world_n as_o who_o shall_v say_v that_o the_o question_n have_v be_v whether_o primatus_fw-la have_v any_o more_o signification_n than_o one_o or_o that_o d._n harding_n have_v take_v upon_o he_o to_o prove_v that_o primatus_fw-la where_o so_o ever_o it_o be_v find_v must_v needs_o signify_v the_o supremacy_n of_o the_o b._n of_o rome_n no_o m._n jewel_n let_v primatus_fw-la have_v as_o many_o diverse_a signification_n as_o you_o have_v devise_n to_o confound_v a_o truth_n d._n harding_n object_v you_o the_o testimony_n of_o s._n ambrose_n where_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o s._n peter_n have_v a_o primacy_n to_o this_o now_o make_v a_o direct_a answer_n not_o by_o tell_v a_o long_a tale_n &_o true_a enough_o of_o the_o signification_n of_o primatus_fw-la but_o in_o apply_v they_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o instruct_v we_o in_o what_o one_o sense_n it_o be_v to_o be_v take_v in_o s._n ambrose_n and_o if_o you_o dare_v say_v that_o he_o mean_v such_o a_o primacy_n as_o esau_n lose_v for_o a_o dish_n of_o pottage_n or_o such_o as_o the_o heretic_n eutiches_n have_v in_o his_o abbey_n then_o shall_v we_o provide_v a_o answer_n for_o you_o but_o whereas_o the_o very_a word_n themselves_o do_v geve_v it_o that_o it_o can_v not_o be_v so_o simple_a a_o matter_n for_o s._n androw_n as_o every_o other_o of_o y_fw-fr e_o apostles_n have_v authority_n give_v he_o in_o the_o whole_a world_n and_o yet_o the_o primacy_n be_v bestow_v upon_o s._n peter_n only_o of_o which_o it_o follow_v that_o among_o the_o chief_a he_o be_v the_o chief_a what_o help_v it_o you_o to_o the_o answer_v of_o s._n ambrose_n to_o declare_v that_o primatus_fw-la be_v take_v for_o any_o superiority_n or_o preferment_n again_o whereas_o
either_o of_o idle_a head_n for_o their_o fantasy_n or_o by_o adversary_n for_o some_o anger_n or_o of_o gentleman_n merchant_n for_o their_o pleasure_n or_o of_o man_n right_o worshipful_a upon_o sad_a report_n make_v unto_o they_o but_o yet_o what_o be_v any_o of_o these_o unto_o the_o question_n whether_o in_o the_o six_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n there_o be_v any_o sole_a receive_v or_o receive_v under_o both_o kind_n and_o so_o forth_o in_o any_o other_o of_o the_o challenger_n article_n nothing_o at_o all_o undoubted_o for_o be_v they_o true_a be_v they_o false_a because_o we_o will_v not_o spend_v much_o time_n about_o it_o they_o concern_v private_a man_n condition_n and_o not_o the_o catholic_a religion_n and_o they_o be_v as_o it_o be_v a_o spot_a coat_n upon_o a_o reasonable_a man_n back_n but_o they_o prove_v not_o that_o he_o have_v no_o reason_n at_o all_o which_o wear_v the_o coat_n wherefore_o it_o become_v not_o we_o so_o base_o to_o think_v of_o their_o judgement_n that_o consider_v of_o our_o book_n that_o because_o of_o the_o author_n small_a favour_n the_o book_n itself_o shall_v be_v out_o of_o favour_n or_o because_o the_o person_n be_v condemn_v that_o immediate_o the_o book_n be_v answer_v some_o cause_n therefore_o undoubted_o there_o be_v in_o the_o book_n themselves_o for_o which_o they_o be_v mislike_v but_o what_o be_v that_o be_v it_o for_o the_o untruth_n sake_n which_o be_v contain_v in_o they_o be_v it_o for_o the_o wrea_v and_o rack_a of_o the_o scripture_n be_v it_o for_o misallege_v reader_n jewel_n in_o his_o preface_n to_o the_o reader_n misconstrue_a corrupt_a or_o alter_v the_o holy_a father_n etc._n etc._n these_o thing_n in_o deed_n be_v direct_o object_v to_o d._n harding_n by_o m._n jewel_o but_o i_o trow_n the_o serche_n be_v not_o therefore_o appoint_v that_o no_o answer_n shall_v come_v in_o against_o they_o yet_o except_o this_o only_o be_v the_o cause_n wherefore_o else_o be_v the_o bring_n in_o of_o they_o so_o dangerous_a be_v there_o any_o thing_n in_o they_o against_o the_o obedience_n and_o fidelity_n due_a to_o a_o sovereign_n be_v there_o any_o one_o blast_n in_o they_o against_o the_o government_n of_o woman_n do_v they_o move_v the_o commons_n to_o take_v weapon_n against_o the_o nobility_n or_o do_v they_o instruct_v the_o nobility_n how_o to_o let_v the_o commons_n of_o their_o liberty_n in_o one_o word_n to_o speak_v it_o do_v we_o meddle_v with_o the_o proper_a matter_n of_o weastminster_n ilaule_n parleament_n house_n or_o cyvile_a policy_n and_o not_o only_o entreat_v of_o article_n propon_v in_o school_n meet_v for_o convocation_n and_o general_n to_o all_o christendom_n take_v for_o example_n any_o one_o what_o so_o ever_o you_o will_v of_o the_o article_n propon_v by_o m._n jewel_o he_o deny_v we_o affirm_v he_o contrari_v we_o we_o again_o resist_v he_o before_o any_o man_n encounter_v with_o he_o he_o reign_v in_o peace_n and_o be_v magnify_v it_o be_v think_v no_o man_n be_v ever_o able_a to_o match_v he_o and_o therefore_o for_o very_a despair_n of_o any_o succour_n many_o submit_a themselves_o unto_o he_o but_o now_o sense_n there_o have_v ben_fw-mi find_v which_o have_v meet_v with_o he_o it_o be_v perceave_v that_o he_o have_v no_o certain_a victory_n and_o if_o it_o seem_v so_o before_o yet_o now_o the_o battle_n begin_v a_o fresh_a there_o be_v stir_v up_o a_o close_a attention_n in_o every_o man_n mind_n to_o mark_v how_o true_o it_o be_v fight_v and_o in_o mark_v diligent_o he_o be_v now_o and_o then_o find_v to_o be_v just_o note_v of_o hypocrisy_n foly_n heresy_n and_o other_o fault_n now_o they_o which_o read_v not_o the_o book_n can_v not_o mark_v so_o much_o yet_o they_o also_o of_o other_o that_o have_v reader_n and_o consider_v may_v learn_v it_o cum_v then_o at_o length_n to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o many_o and_o the_o very_a nature_n of_o truth_n or_o disposition_n of_o man_n so_o geve_v it_o many_o be_v confirm_v many_o be_v warn_v many_o be_v trouble_v every_o one_o be_v move_v some_o see_v it_o manifest_o m._n jewel_n be_v confute_v other_o look_v not_o so_o narow_o but_o say_v i_o will_v better_o think_v of_o these_o matter_n other_o be_v loath_a to_o change_v their_o opinion_n and_o be_v grieve_v to_o hear_v of_o aught_o say_v against_o he_o so_o that_o somewhat_o be_v wrought_v i_o think_v in_o every_o man_n one_o way_n or_o other_o about_o these_o matter_n this_o by_o likelihood_n then_o be_v the_o sedition_n which_o our_o book_n be_v say_v to_o move_v they_o confirm_v some_o in_o the_o truth_n that_o they_o be_v not_o light_o remove_v from_o it_o they_o direct_v other_o unto_o the_o truth_n that_o they_o pretend_v not_o lack_v of_o instruction_n they_o confound_v and_o confute_v other_o by_o the_o truth_n that_o they_o may_v take_v less_o pride_n in_o their_o chivalry_n and_o they_o stir_v up_o a_o general_n attention_n to_o mark_v on_o who_o side_n the_o truth_n shall_v stand_v and_o who_o shall_v most_o faithful_o behave_v himself_o in_o the_o mater_fw-la be_v the_o author_n then_o of_o this_o manner_n of_o sedition_n â–ª_o to_o be_v punish_v or_o the_o book_n by_o which_o lie_v deceit_n and_o heresy_n be_v detect_v be_v they_o to_o be_v condemn_v if_o protestant_n may_v be_v suffer_v to_o write_v as_o large_o as_o they_o will_v shall_v they_o be_v permit_v also_o to_o write_v as_o false_o as_o they_o will_v or_o if_o no_o privilege_n be_v it_o never_o so_o special_a do_v license_v they_o to_o print_v any_o slander_n or_o lie_v yet_o if_o afterward_n they_o be_v find_v out_o and_o mark_v in_o their_o book_n may_v no_o man_n free_o tell_v they_o of_o it_o but_o he_o shall_v incur_v the_o danger_n of_o the_o law_n and_o further_a displeasure_n sure_o this_o case_n be_v very_o hard_a to_o call_v first_o into_o question_n those_o truth_n of_o which_o the_o catholic_a church_n will_v have_v no_o doubt_n fear_v and_o then_o to_o grant_v the_o protestant_n such_o favour_n that_o he_o may_v always_o deny_v and_o still_o drive_v the_o catholic_a to_o prove_v and_o further_a as_o long_o as_o the_o catholic_a make_v a_o stay_n of_o yield_v so_o much_o to_o his_o adversary_n to_o draw_v that_o to_o a_o argument_n of_o a_o weak_a cause_n and_o a_o faint_a hart_n and_o to_o incline_v to_o the_o new_a gospeler_n side_n and_o now_o last_o of_o all_o when_o the_o catholic_n answer_n they_o and_o so_o answer_n that_o they_o make_v the_o other_o every_o day_n more_o and_o more_o to_o be_v take_v in_o their_o craft_n and_o heresy_n now_o i_o say_v to_o forbid_v the_o catholic_n to_o answer_n for_o themselves_o or_o to_o speak_v any_o more_o against_o such_o fault_n as_o they_o find_v this_o sure_o be_v a_o case_n very_o strange_a and_o hard_a so_o hard_o undoubted_o that_o what_o to_o answer_n unto_o it_o we_o can_v not_o tell_v for_o if_o our_o adversary_n will_v have_v the_o matter_n try_v by_o learning_n our_o divinity_n the_o end_n shall_v declare_v it_o be_v much_o true_a than_o they_o but_o if_o they_o will_v now_o defend_v themselves_o by_o force_n of_o authority_n one_o extraordinary_a argument_n make_v by_o a_o new_a and_o fresh_a searcher_n shall_v more_o dissuade_v than_o a_o whole_a shiplode_v of_o our_o book_n can_v move_v when_o the_o read_n of_o they_o it_o take_v away_o but_o be_v it_o not_o possible_a to_o find_v favour_n in_o his_o sight_n which_o have_v the_o order_v of_o these_o matter_n commit_v unto_o he_o yea_o very_o possible_a enough_o if_o the_o sure_a for_o it_o be_v notus_fw-la pontifici_fw-la and_o favour_v of_o the_o superintendents_n lovanians_n then_o must_v hold_v their_o peace_n but_o the_o apology_n of_o england_n i_o trow_n may_v be_v hear_v why_o what_o say_v it_o marry_o for_o man_n to_o be_v careless_a what_o be_v speak_v by_o they_o and_o their_o own_o matter_n etc._n etc._n be_v the_o part_n doubtless_o of_o dissolute_a and_o reckless_a person_n england_n the_o apology_n of_o england_n and_o of_o they_o which_o wicked_o wink_v at_o the_o injury_n do_v unto_o the_o name_n of_o god_n again_o all_o law_n and_o nature_n own_o voice_n do_v command_v we_o to_o defend_v our_o own_o cause_n and_o innocencye_n again_o the_o ancient_a christian_n etc._n etc._n put_v up_o supplication_n and_o make_v mean_n to_o emperor_n and_o prince_n that_o they_o may_v defend_v themselves_o and_o their_o fellow_n in_o open_a audience_n loe_o how_o well_o the_o maker_n of_o that_o apology_n can_v speak_v for_o themselves_o and_o how_o well_o it_o serve_v our_o purpose_n at_o this_o present_a yet_o the_o odds_n be_v exceed_v great_a for_o the_o catholic_n have_v continue_v time_n out_o of_o mind_n in_o a_o consent_n and_o certainty_n of_o their_o faith_n may_v well_o take_v
wherefore_o do_v you_o moan_v this_o question_n whether_o within_o six_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n any_o communion_n be_v minister_v unto_o the_o people_n under_o one_o kind_n do_v you_o it_o not_o to_o this_o end_n that_o you_o may_v conclude_v there_o upon_o if_o no_o man_n will_v answer_v you_o that_o christ_n institution_n be_v now_o break_a of_o the_o catholic_n which_o minister_v otherwise_o then_o they_o do_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n ergo_fw-la the_o mark_n which_o you_o look_v unto_o be_v christ_n institution_n which_o to_o prove_v to_o be_v with_o we_o or_o against_o we_o we_o therefore_o consider_v the_o do_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o because_o example_n be_v find_v enen_fw-la in_o y_z e_z age_n &_o such_o record_n as_o yourself_o dare_v not_o yet_o deny_v by_o which_o we_o know_v y_fw-mi e_z receive_v under_o one_o kind_n be_v many_o time_n use_v we_o conclude_v in_o y_fw-fr e_fw-it principal_a y_z t_z it_o be_v not_o against_o christ_n institution_n to_o receive_v under_o one_o kind_n do_v you_o deni_fw-la y_fw-fr e_fw-la consequent_a how_o can_v you_o which_o have_v so_o appele_v to_o the_o primitive_a church_n as_o though_o you_o will_v be_v content_a &_o quiet_a if_o good_a testimony_n of_o that_o time_n can_v be_v allege_v against_o you_o what_o say_v you_o they_o to_o y_z e_z antecedent_n you_o confess_v it_o in_o plain_a word_n y_o e_o some_o receive_v then_o under_o one_o kind_n 132._o jew._n 132._o say_v neither_o do_v i_o deny_v that_o ever_o any_o one_o man_n receve_v the_o communion_n in_o one_o kind_n but_o yet_o you_o reply_v it_o be_v a_o abuse_n i_o here_o you_o well_o but_o that_o be_v another_o question_n shift_n the._n viij_o shift_n and_o it_o be_v another_o shift_n also_o much_o foul_a they_o any_o of_o the_o forname_v remember_v yourself_o m._n jewel_n i_o pray_v you_o and_o let_v we_o conclude_v our_o matter_n in_o order_n the_o first_o question_n shall_v have_v be_v ▪_o whether_o christ_n institution_n do_v stand_v with_o receive_v under_o one_o kind_n the_o first_o w_n t_o you_o but_o the_o second_o rather_o w_n to_o we_o be_v whether_o any_o communion_n be_v then_o minister_v unto_o the_o people_n under_o one_o kind_n we_o prove_v &_o you_o confess_v y_fw-mi ●_o some_o have_v hen_n minister_v ergo_fw-la it_o be_v time_n you_o yield_v &_o subscribe_v a_o iij._n question_n now_o &_o if_o you_o will_v shall_v be_v whether_o it_o be_v a_o abuse_n in_o y_fw-es e_fw-es primi_fw-la tive_fw-it church_n to_o receve_v under_o one_o kind_n and_o so_o forth_o in_o many_o other_o according_a to_o the_o circumstancy_n of_o person_n time_n and_o place_n but_o before_o we_o come_v to_o they_o do_v you_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n as_o you_o promise_v for_o we_o have_v prove_v y_o it_o which_o you_o deny_v again_o either_o yield_v or_o take_v better_o hold_v fast_o and_o begin_v again_o if_o you_o strive_v &_o say_v you_o mean_v y_o t_o it_o be_v not_o open_o receive_v under_o both_o kind_n &_o ordinary_o than_o what_o a_o trifler_n or_o wrangler_n be_v you_o to_o challenge_v we_o about_o circumstance_n before_o we_o be_v agree_v upon_o y_o e_o substance_n of_o y_fw-es e_fw-es mater_fw-la yet_o if_o you_o will_v needs_o have_v open_o which_o it_o his_o fellow_n put_v in_o them_z begin_z again_o &_o speak_v more_o plain_o for_o as_o you_o have_v propon_v y_o e_fw-la mater_fw-la you_o ace_n overcomme_n and_o yet_o before_o you_o begin_v which_o it_o those_o cirunstance_n i_o warn_v you_o it_o will_v be_v to_o no_o purpose_n because_o ourselves_o may_v confess_v unto_o you_o y_z t_z we_o can_v not_o gain_v say_v it_o &_o you_o shall_v conclude_v nothing_o against_o we_o by_o it_o for_o y_o e_o church_n cause_n be_v sufficient_o defend_v if_o receive_v under_o one_o kind_n may_v be_v prove_v by_o any_o ancient_a example_n which_o tout_fw-fr any_o exception_n make_v by_o you_o thus_o it_o may_v be_v again_o see_v how_o m._n jew._n speak_v in_o all_o this_o second_o article_n to_o no_o purpose_n if_o he_o make_v the_o question_n so_o circumstantial_a as_o he_o have_v labour_v to_o have_v it_o on_o the_o other_o side_n the_o catholic_a cause_n be_v sufficient_o defend_v both_o by_o our_o own_o witness_n and_o by_o confession_n of_o our_o adversary_n because_o it_o be_v prove_v sundry_a way_n that_o receive_v under_o one_o kind_n be_v know_v and_o use_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o therefore_o undoubted_o it_o be_v not_o repugnant_a to_o christ_n institution_n the_o three_o article_n ⁂_o concern_v this_o question_n of_o the_o common_a prayer_n whether_o in_o the_o six_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n they_o be_v in_o a_o strange_a tongue_n which_o the_o people_n do_v not_o understand_v what_o can_v any_o catholik_n of_o these_o part_n of_o the_o world_n say_v more_o then_o that_o they_o be_v in_o the_o greek_a tongue_n or_o latin_a tongue_n only_o for_o whereas_o neither_o authority_n of_o scripture_n command_v it_o neither_o verity_n of_o tradition_n confirm_v it_o neither_o report_n of_o history_n witness_v it_o neither_o yet_o any_o token_n or_o memory_n signify_v it_o that_o the_o public_a service_n of_o the_o church_n easte_n or_o weaste_n be_v within_o the_o compass_n of_o the_o first_o six_o hundred_o year_n in_o any_o other_o tongue_n than_o greek_a or_o latin_a what_o lightness_n must_v it_o be_v to_o forsake_v the_o order_n which_o we_o have_v and_o take_v other_o i_o can_v not_o tell_v what_o 14._o 1._o cor._n 14._o the_o apostle_n make_v a_o express_a distinction_n between_o the_o idiot_n and_o he_o that_o supply_v the_o place_n what._n it_o be_v no_o wisdom_n to_o change_v that_o we_o have_v for_o a_o other_o thing_n no_o man_n be_v sure_a what._n of_o the_o idiot_n concern_v the_o common_a prayer_n he_o geve_v no_o precept_n of_o the_o other_o he_o say_v how_o shall_v he_o that_o supply_v the_o place_n of_o the_o idiot_n answer_v amen_o upon_o thy_o blessing_n now_o by_o tradition_n we_o have_v receive_v no_o other_o but_o latin_a or_o greek_a service_n of_o the_o change_n of_o the_o vulgar_a tongue_n into_o any_o of_o these_o two_o greek_z or_o latin_a or_o of_o set_v up_o of_o these_o in_o stead_n of_o the_o know_v and_o vulgar_a tongue_n there_o be_v no_o mention_n in_o any_o writer_n and_o last_o of_o all_o there_o can_v be_v show_v no_o token_n or_o sufficient_a similitude_n that_o the_o service_n of_o old_a time_n be_v in_o the_o vulgar_a tongue_n ergo_fw-la how_o shall_v a_o reasonable_a man_n condemn_v that_o which_o himself_o see_v so_o general_o use_v and_o follow_v another_o unknowen_a manner_n to_o which_o he_o be_v uncertaine_o refer_v s._n augustine_n say_v it_o but_o of_o ceremony_n 118._o august_n ad_fw-la januar_n ep_v 118._o that_o if_o the_o whole_a church_n throughout_o the_o world_n do_v observe_v any_o thing_n to_o dispute_v thereof_o it_o be_v a_o point_n of_o most_o insolent_a madness_n and_o if_o it_o be_v so_o in_o ceremony_n be_v it_o not_o much_o more_o so_o in_o public_a service_n for_o in_o ceremony_n because_o of_o indifferency_n of_o they_o in_o themselves_o and_o infirmity_n of_o some_o person_n which_o be_v over_o curiouse_a against_o they_o many_o point_n may_v be_v reason_v upon_o and_o if_o manifest_a need_n require_v be_v omit_v yet_o if_o the_o whole_a church_n use_v they_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v no_o question_n but_o in_o public_a service_n which_o perteyn_v to_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n and_o in_o which_o the_o move_a of_o any_o doubt_n cause_v the_o whole_a religion_n to_o be_v shake_v how_o be_v it_o to_o be_v suffer_v that_o she_o shall_v be_v oppose_v or_o that_o any_o private_a person_n without_o reason_n or_o authority_n shall_v call_v that_o into_o question_n which_o be_v general_o receive_v the_o heretic_n of_o this_o age_n say_v that_o the_o latin_a service_n for_o example_n in_o all_o the_o west_n church_n have_v not_o come_v from_o the_o six_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n frome_n whence_o come_v it_o then_o who_o be_v the_o planter_n of_o it_o who_o be_v the_o mainteyner_n if_o they_o do_v it_o w_o t_o consent_n of_o all_o the_o west_n country_n that_o be_v a_o great_a prejudice_n against_o your_o contentionsnesse_n unlikely_a how_o unlikely_a if_o they_o do_v it_o by_o force_n or_o violence_n will_v no_o man_n complain_v of_o it_o present_o or_o put_v it_o in_o writing_n for_o instruction_n of_o the_o posterity_n sure_o this_o can_v not_o be_v but_o a_o great_a wonder_n y_z t_z the_o common_a service_n of_o the_o west_n church_n be_v not_o general_o in_o latin_a every_o where_n at_o y_fw-es ●_o begin_v and_o that_o so_o many_o thousand_o church_n in_o so_o many_o several_a and_o diverse_a country_n thereof_o shall_v altogether_o most_o faithful_o hold_v and_o keep_v the_o same_o and_o no_o man_n yet_o tell_v
&_o supremacy_n over_o all_o christendom_n y_fw-fr t_o you_o dare_v both_o speak_v &_o do_v y_z e_z contrary_n to_o y_z t_z which_o have_v be_v ever_o more_o say_v &_o practise_v for_o what_o if_o private_a prayer_n have_v never_o be_v call_v common_a yet_o y_fw-mi it_o shall_v not_o let_v but_o you_o will_v at_o your_o pleasure_n name_v they_o so_o when_o you_o be_v dispose_v and_o therefore_o d._n harding_n as_o it_o seem_v to_o i_o speak_v very_o wary_o in_o refer_v the_o matter_n to_o your_o meaning_n only_o say_v if_o you_o mean_v m._n jew._n by_o y_z e_z people_n common_a prayer_n etc._n etc._n again_o but_o if_o by_o y_z e_z common_a prayer_n you_o mean_v y_fw-mi e_o public_a service_n &c_n &c_n as_o if_o he_o shall_v say_v m._n jewel_n have_v y_o e_o upper_a ground_n above_o we_o what_o he_o deni_v y_fw-fr ●_o must_v we_o prove_v what_o he_o affirm_v y_z t_z be_v well_o prove_v &c_n &c_n &_o therefore_o i_o will_v put_v this_o matter_n to_o his_o own_o meaning_n &_o make_v my_o distinction_n accordingli_fw-la byside_n this_o they_o may_v for_o some_o cause_n continue_v private_a be_v call_v common_a although_o which_o negative_a be_v very_o hard_a for_o you_o to_o prove_v they_o be_v never_o heretofore_o so_o name_v for_o in_o england_n now_o at_o this_o present_a i●●ne_o shall_v say_v the_o aue_fw-la maria_n be_v a_o common_a prayer_n as_o at_o rehearsal_n whereof_o thousand_o among_o y_o e_o people_n do_v lift_v up_o their_o mind_n towards_o god_n though_o it_o be_v not_o common_o use_v in_o your_o public_a service_n for_o special_a &_o pure_a fear_n perchance_o lest_o our_o lady_n shall_v be_v to_o much_o remember_v &_o christ_n less_o regard_v yet_o do_v he_o not_o speak_v true_o &_o ꝓpre_o y_o ●_o do_v so_o say_v you_o think_v not_o i_o trust_v y_fw-es ●_o it_o be_v a_o salutation_n &_o prayer_n for_o holy_a day_n only_o or_o church_n only_o or_o lord_n &_o lady_n only_o &_o what_o fault_n they_o be_v it_o in_o speech_n when_o it_o be_v common_o use_v to_o call_v it_o a_o common_a prayer_n i_o will_v say_v more_o not_o only_o private_a prayer_n be_v common_o say_v mai_fw-gr be_v &_o be_v call_v common_a prayer_n &_o differ_v from_o public_a service_n but_o also_o those_o self_n same_o prayer_n which_o be_v make_v open_o in_o the_o hear_n and_o sight_n of_o other_o &_o unto_o which_o they_o answer_v amen_o be_v of_o a_o other_o sort_n &_o kind_n than_o the_o common_a prayer_n as_o it_o be_v take_v for_o public_a service_n as_o when_o the_o apostle_n in_o the_o company_n of_o a_o hundred_o and_o twenty_o person_n together_o 1._o act._n 1._o pray_v that_o god_n will_v show_v whether_o of_o the_o two_o joseph_n or_o mathias_n he_o will_v choose_v to_o take_v the_o place_n of_o y_fw-fr e_o ministry_n &_o apostleship_n from_o which_o judas_n the_o traitor_n have_v false_o depart_v be_v not_o that_o a_o common_a prayer_n yet_o can_v you_o not_o prove_v i_o believe_v that_o it_o be_v a_o part_n of_o their_o ordinary_a &_o common_a service_n byside_n this_o also_o when_o the_o christian_n meet_v together_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n among_o other_o gift_n which_o be_v plentiful_o they_o give_fw-ge by_o the_o holyghost_n y_z e_z gift_n of_o prayer_n be_v one_o that_o be_v some_o one_o of_o the_o company_n and_o he_o not_o always_o of_o the_o clergy_n graciouse_o inspire_v utter_v in_o the_o audience_n of_o the_o rest_n that_o form_n or_o matter_n of_o prayer_n which_o the_o other_o shall_v learn_v and_o follow_v be_v yet_o to_o seek_v how_o to_o do_v by_o themselves_o and_o this_o be_v in_o true_a speech_n a_o common_a prayer_n yet_o be_v it_o not_o their_o common_a service_n for_o in_o public_a service_n the_o ecclesiastical_a minister_n do_v go_v before_o &_o pronounce_v it_o but_o this_o be_v such_o as_o lay_v man_n sometime_o do_v utter_v also_o in_o public_a service_n the_o order_n be_v appoint_v and_o set_v but_o in_o this_o case_n of_o which_o i_o speak_v the_o prayer_n be_v not_o know_v before_o it_o be_v geaven_v and_o they_o be_v not_o every_o day_n sure_a of_o the_o geve_v the_o holyghost_n always_o dispose_v it_o by_o more_o or_o less_o according_a to_o his_o bless_a inspiration_n see_v therefore_o that_o these_o kind_n of_o common_a prayer_n be_v so_o distincted_a first_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o commons_n of_o they_o though_o the_o use_n be_v private_a according_a to_o devotion_n second_o for_o the_o open_a communicate_v of_o they_o according_a to_o y_z e_z holyghost_n inspiration_n three_o because_o of_o the_o order_n &_o continuance_n of_o they_o according_a to_o the_o catholic_a churchs_n law_n &_o constitution_n why_o do_v m._n jewel_n find_v fault_n with_o distinction_n or_o that_o which_o be_v grant_v to_o be_v true_a in_o the_o first_o and_o second_o why_o will_v he_o have_v it_o to_o be_v like_a in_o y_fw-fr e_fw-la third_o kind_n and_o because_o the_o people_n understode_v with_o it_o they_o pray_v private_o or_o some_o other_o what_o they_o utter_v by_o the_o holyghost_n gift_n spiritual_o how_o can_v he_o conclude_v therefore_o that_o the_o common_a service_n be_v also_o in_o a_o tongue_n know_v unto_o all_o the_o people_n undoubted_o how_o can_v he_o deny_v y_fw-mi ●_o first_o how_o do_v he_o nor_o consider_v y_fw-fr ●_o second_o how_o much_o abuse_v he_o his_o adversary_n and_o his_o reader_n in_o the_o three_o for_o while_o he_o will_v have_v it_o beleve_v that_o common_a prayer_n be_v no_o other_o thing_n to_o say_v then_o common_a service_n of_o the_o church_n what_o so_o ever_o either_o scripture_n and_o ancient_a father_n do_v prove_v word_n craft_n in_o double_a understanding_n of_o a_o word_n concern_v common_a prayer_n that_o it_o be_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n in_o a_o know_a tongue_n that_o he_o draw_v to_o common_a service_n of_o the_o church_n and_o against_o all_o forewarn_n and_o distinction_n and_o reason_n he_o will_v triumph_n thereupon_o and_o crake_v that_o it_o be_v every_o where_n in_o a_o tongue_n know_v to_o all_o the_o people_n for_o which_o cause_n this_o distinction_n be_v the_o better_a to_o be_v mark_v lest_o m._n jew._n through_o his_o confusion_n trouble_v the_o clerenesse_n of_o the_o matter_n now_o therefore_o concern_v the_o other_o part_n of_o d._n hardings_n distinction_n in_o which_o he_o declare_v unto_o you_o whereupon_o he_o mind_v to_o join_v with_o you_o in_o this_o three_o article_n what_o say_v you_o thereunto_o his_o word_n be_v plain_a if_o you_o mean_v by_o common_a prayer_n the_o public_a service_n 72._o hard._n 72._o some_o understode_v it_o and_o some_o understode_v it_o not_o here_o unwares_o he_o impli_v a_o repugnance_n in_o reason_n 15●_n jew._n 15●_n and_o a_o manifest_a contradiction_n why_o so_o may_v not_o both_o there_o proposition_n stand_v together_o when_o your_o self_n do_v preach_v m._n jewel_n some_o i_o believe_v understande_v you_o not_o and_o some_o understand_v you_o for_o many_o stand_v a_o far_o of_o &_o some_o near_a unto_o you_o &_o some_o understand_v not_o all_o fine_a english_a yet_o some_o understand_v it_o well_o enough_o i_o will_v say_v further_o yourself_o i_o think_v sometime_o understand_v yourself_o and_o some_o time_n you_o do_v not_o yet_o here_o be_v no_o necessity_n of_o contradiction_n for_o they_o need_n not_o to_o be_v contrary_a say_n one_o to_o the_o other_o in_o which_o sometime_o you_o know_v where_o you_o be_v some_o time_n you_o speak_v you_o can_v not_o tell_v what_o as_o in_o the_o declaim_n against_o the_o sell_v and_o byinge_v of_o mass_n you_o know_v what_o you_o speak_v but_o in_o declare_v of_o christ_n presence_n in_o the_o sacrament_n to_o be_v reallye_o very_o substantial_o not_o by_o imagination_n etc._n etc._n and_o yet_o by_o faith_n only_o m._n jewel_n himself_o understand_v not_o m._n jewel_n yet_o this_o be_v no_o contradiction_n neither_o shall_v that_o be_v the_o fault_n which_o i_o will_v thereupon_o object_n unto_o you_o but_o this_o rather_o that_o you_o go_v about_o to_o destroy_v the_o religion_n itself_o because_o of_o the_o evil_a manner_n of_o they_o which_o profess_v it_o or_o that_o you_o which_o have_v no_o master_n worth_n the_o hear_n who_o you_o can_v or_o dare_v name_n unto_o we_o presume_v to_o reach_v the_o catholic_a church_n divinity_n how_o prove_v you_o then_o a_o contradiction_n to_o be_v imply_v herein_o and_o a_o contradiction_n of_o m._n hardings_n where_o he_o say_v some_o understode_v the_o common_a service_n some_o understode_v it_o not_o for_o even_o in_o england_n itself_o when_o the_o latin_a service_n be_v of_o late_o use_v as_o it_o have_v continue_v hundred_o of_o year_n together_o it_o be_v true_a in_o lesser_a city_n by_o many_o degree_n than_o london_n or_o yorck_n that_o some_o understode_v it_o some_o understode_v it_o not_o
place_n which_o you_o so_o oft_o and_o thick_a miss_v expound_v your_o own_o meaning_n if_o we_o m._n 〈◊〉_d have_v miss_v do_v bring_v against_o the_o pope_n be_v odious_a at_o the_o first_o hear_v but_o when_o they_o shall_v be_v consider_v and_o answer_v either_o they_o shall_v he_o find_v not_o to_o be_v so_o as_o you_o report_v either_o else_o to_o have_v a_o true_a and_o christian_a sense_n in_o they_o therefore_o to_o press_v we_o w_n to_o they_o out_o of_o place_n &_o season_n that_o we_o shall_v not_o intend_v to_o answer_v they_o that_o they_o so_o 〈◊〉_d away_o for_o the_o present_a without_o answer_n may_v hinder_v our_o cause_n in_o the_o judgement_n of_o many_o a_o reader_n it_o be_v crafty_o do_v and_o unhonestlye_o as_o on_o the_o other_o side_n if_o you_o god_n wot_v mean_v no_o harm_n at_o all_o but_o without_o all_o immoderate_a affection_n or_o crafty_a cumpasse_n go_v plain_o and_o direct_o forward_o in_o your_o matter_n only_o that_o your_o reply_n may_v be_v full_a then_o have_v you_o do_v grosselye_o and_o unorderly_o to_o be_v short_a whatsoever_o and_o howsoever_o the_o cause_n be_v the_o indifferent_a reader_n may_v judge_v of_o y_fw-fr e_o effect_v and_o perceive_v that_o they_o be_v undoubted_a digression_n which_o you_o have_v make_v from_o the_o question_n to_o canon_n and_o the_o gloss_n upon_o they_o and_o which_o i_o burden_v you_o withal_o and_o i_o burden_v you_o herewithal_o so_o much_o the_o more_o just_o and_o earnest_o digression_n m._n jew._n fin●●th_o fault_n with_o digression_n because_o yourself_o be_v so_o rigorous_a upon_o less_o occasion_n or_o none_o at_o all_o against_o d._n hardinge_n for_o when_o he_o in_o the_o article_n of_o private_a mass_n do_v put_v it_o as_o a_o sure_a ground_n that_o the_o mass_n or_o vnbloudye_a sacrifice_n be_v so_o many_o way_n to_o the_o prove_v that_o you_o can_v not_o withstand_v the_o catholykes_n therein_o 25._o hard._n fol._n 25._o and_o towch_v shortelye_o in_o a_o leaf_n and_o a_o half_a the_o authority_n which_o dydde_v serve_v that_o purpose_n of_o which_o he_o may_v have_v make_v a_o just_a treatise_n and_o never_o have_v go_v byside_o his_o purpose_n yet_o that_o little_a which_o he_o speak_v greeve_v you_o so_o much_o that_o you_o say_v it_o be_v a_o simple_a kind_n of_o rhetoric_n 12_o jew._n p_o 12_o to_o use_v so_o large_a digression_n from_o the_o matter_n before_o you_o once_o enter_v into_o the_o matter_n as_o who_o shall_v say_v that_o the_o author_n of_o a_o treatise_n may_v not_o take_v what_o order_n he_o will_v or_o that_o to_o speak_v of_o the_o mass_n be_v a_o impertinent_a thing_n to_o private_a mass_n or_o that_o in_o the_o discuss_n of_o a_o compound_n it_o be_v not_o lawful_a to_o open_v the_o nature_n of_o y_fw-fr e_o simple_a or_o when_o two_o thing_n be_v at_o one_o time_n yet_o covert_o impugn_a to_o show_v that_o the_o one_o of_o they_o stand_v upon_o sure_a ground_n thereby_o to_o discumforte_v the_o adversary_n after_o like_a sort_n of_o quarrel_v whereas_o d._n harding_n conclude_v that_o single_a communion_n be_v not_o only_o suffer_v in_o time_n of_o persecution_n 38._o hard._n 38._o but_o also_o allow_v in_o quiet_a &_o peaceable_a time_n even_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n itself_o where_o true_a religion_n have_v ever_o be_v most_o exact_o observe_v &_o caet_fw-la m._n jewel_n great_o offend_v herewith_o all_o and_o merueilinge_v as_o it_o be_v at_o the_o matter_n but_o why_o do_v m._n hardinge_n say_v he_o 5●_n jew._n 5●_n thus_o out_o of_o reason_n rush_v into_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n that_o be_v long_o ago_o but_o why_o say_v you_o so_o m._n jewel_n do_v not_o the_o argument_n which_o he_o make_v require_v that_o he_o shall_v commend_v that_o see_v for_o rome_n itself_o allow_v say_v he_o pai●ate_a mass_n ergo_fw-la it_o be_v the_o less_o to_o be_v doubt_v of_o which_o argument_n because_o it_o will_v at_o these_o day_n seem_v the_o worse_a the_o more_o that_o it_o depend_v of_o the_o authority_n of_o that_o see_v can_v he_o do_v less_o then_o bring_v one_o testimony_n in_o the_o praise_n thereof_o and_o call_v you_o this_o a_o rush_v in_o thereto_o out_o of_o season_n but_o what_o shall_v he_o have_v do_v by_o your_o fine_a advice_n marry_o say_v you_o season_n see_v the_o malice_n to_o speak_v ill_a of_o rome_n he_o take_v it_o to_o be_v to_o some_o purpose_n and_o to_o speak_v well_o thereof_o he_o compt_v it_o out_o of_o season_n it_o have_v be_v more_o to_o the_o purpose_n to_o have_v view_v the_o state_n of_o the_o same_o church_n as_o it_o stand_v now_o have_v it_o so_o and_o you_o be_v so_o malicious_o and_o wicked_o dispose_v will_v the_o authority_n thereof_o as_o it_o be_v now_o have_v prevail_v with_o you_o let_v any_o indifferent_a man_n be_v judge_n whether_o it_o have_v be_v apt_o do_v of_o d._n harding_n in_o warrantinge_v of_o sole_a receavinge_v as_o allow_v in_o rome_n to_o commend_v y_fw-mi ●_o consequence_n by_o tell_v the_o fault_n which_o may_v be_v find_v in_o that_o city_n now_o rather_o than_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o bishope_n of_o all_o gallia_n which_o within_o the_o six_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n acknowlege_v that_o from_o thence_o come_v the_o fountain_n and_o spring_n of_o their_o religion_n again_o let_v any_o indifferent_a man_n judge_v whether_o m._n jewel_n have_v answer_v this_o praise_n of_o the_o bisshoppe_n of_o gallia_n geaven_v so_o long_o ago_o unto_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n by_o his_o accusinge_n of_o bisshoppe_n cardinal_n and_o priest_n or_o by_o lamentinge_v the_o case_n of_o rome_n as_o s._n bernarde_n do_v or_o by_o make_v of_o proverbe_n upon_o it_o as_o euripides_n sometime_o do_v of_o the_o city_n of_o athens_n sure_o in_o this_o very_a place_n spirit_n be_v this_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o gospel_n or_o the_o charitye_n of_o your_o spirit_n where_o without_o cause_n he_o reprove_v his_o adversary_n for_o commendinge_v out_o of_o season_n as_o he_o judge_v the_o see_v of_o rome_n it_o be_v a_o great_a shame_n to_o rush_n into_o discommendation_n of_o bisshoppe_n cardinal_n and_o priest_n attendinge_v upon_o that_o see_v and_o to_o like_v it_o better_a to_o examine_v and_o judge_v the_o present_a 〈◊〉_d of_o rome_n then_o to_o remember_v the_o ancient_a dignity_n and_o virtue_n thereof_o to_o confirmation_n of_o such_o point_n as_o in_o those_o day_n be_v by_o it_o allow_v other_o place_n and_o sign_n th●re_o be_v out_o of_o which_o i_o do_v gather_v that_o m._n jewel_n can_v not_o abide_v digression_n as_o when_o he_o say_v this_o question_n be_v out_o of_o course_n 149_o jew._n 149_o we_o may_v well_o suffer_v m._n hardinge_n to_o wander_v at_o large_a in_o matter_n that_o relieve_v he_o nothing_o 153._o 153._o i●_n it_o be_v lawful_a for_o other_o so_o to_o do_v it_o be_v no_o great_a mastery_n to_o write_v book_n again_o these_o be_v none_o of_o the_o matter_n that_o lie_v in_o question_n m._n harding_n make_v a_o long_a discourse_n of_o the_o apostle_n &_o caet_fw-la 155._o 155._o if_o he_o have_v show_v to_o what_o end_n we_o may_v the_o better_o have_v know_v his_o purpose_n but_o to_o what_o end_n 160._o 160._o for_o neither_o it_o be_v deny_v of_o we_o nor_o it_o be_v any_o part_n of_o our_o question_n which_o thing_n neither_o be_v deny_v by_o i_o 180._o 180._o nor_o any_o wise_a touch_v the_o question_n by_o these_o i_o be_o persuade_v that_o he_o will_v have_v y_z e_o matter_n itself_o follow_v and_o love_v not_o to_o have_v the_o time_n id_o bestow_v now_o though_o i_o be_o able_a to_o declare_v that_o doctor_n hardinge_n in_o these_o point_n have_v do_v no_o otherwise_o then_o he_o lawfullye_o might_n yet_o to_o let_v that_o pass_n i_o conclude_v against_o 〈◊〉_d jewel_n that_o of_o all_o thing_n it_o be_v most_o absurd_a in_o he_o that_o be_v so_o precise_a with_o other_o measure_n unequal_a measure_n to_o be_v wide_a and_o large_a towards_o himself_o in_o the_o self_n same_o kind_n of_o thing_n for_o which_o though_o uniustlye_o he_o reprove_v other_o and_o if_o 153._o jew._n 153._o as_z m._n jewel_n confess_v it_o be_v no_o great_a mastery_n to_o write_v book_n if_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o wander_v at_o large_a in_o matter_n that_o relieve_v not_o let_v no_o man_n wonder_n at_o the_o worthiness_n of_o he_o which_o have_v write_v so_o mighty_a a_o reply_n consider_v that_o he_o run_v so_o far_o into_o common_a place_n and_o rush_n so_o foul_o into_o dispraise_n of_o pope_n cardinal_n priest_n and_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o neither_o make_v the_o new_a gospeler_n the_o honest_a man_n neither_o destroy_v the_o present_a and_o ancient_a faith_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n ¶_o of_o a_o third_o kind_n of_o common_a place_n worse_o than_o any_o of_o