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A07802 The dovvnefall of poperie proposed by way of a new challenge to all English Iesuits and Iesuited or Italianized papists: daring them all iointly, and euery one of them seuerally, to make answere thereunto if they can, or haue any truth on their side; knowing for a truth that otherwise all the world will crie with open mouths, fie vpon them, and their patched hotch-potch religion. Bell, Thomas, fl. 1593-1610. 1604 (1604) STC 1818; ESTC S113800 116,542 172

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may not onely truly but also iustly require reward at Gods hands in regard of his promise freely made vnto vs. But I euer denie withall that any reward is due to our best workes for any condigne merit or desert of or in our workes Gods free acceptation mercie and promise set apart For as Saint Austen grauely saith Vae etiam laudabili vitae hominum si remota misericordia discutias eam Woe euen to the best liuer vpon earth if thou examine his life thy mercy set apart Answere ô papists if ye can and if ye cannot then repent and yeeld vnto the truth for shame I challenge you I prouoke you to the combat I adiure you all ioyntlie and euery one of you seuerally for the credite of your cause for the honour of your Pope and the life of popish doctrine which now lieth bleeding and wil shortly yeeld vp the Ghost if some soueraigne remedie bee not speedily prouided for the same The sixt Article Of the Popish distinction of mortall and veniall sinnes ALthough it be true that all sinnes are not equall but one greater than another and although it be also true that in a good and godly sence some sinne may be tearmed mortall and some veniall which yet may more fitly be called sinnes regnant and not regnant neuerthelesse most true it is to the euerlasting confusion of all impenitent papists that euery sinne is mortall of it owne nature and onely veniall by way of Gods free acceptation and mercie for his owne name sake and merits of his deare sonne our Lord Iesus I prooue it first both briefely and euidently For Christ himselfe telleth vs in his holy Gospell that we must giue a straight account of euery idle word in the generall day of iudgement And for no other end doubtlesse must this account be made but onely because euery idle word is flatly against the law of God This the papists can neuer denie it is euident to euery child And yet must they likewise confesse that idle words be those sinnes which they call venials And consequently they must confesse against their wils and against their professed Romish doctrine that all sinnes are mortall that is to say against the law of God This doctrine of our Sauiour Christ Iesus is confirmed by the testimonie of S. Iohn his beloued Apostle where he telleth vs that euery sinne is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is the transgression of Gods law as is alreadie prooued at large in the fourth article of concupiscence And the Hebrew word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which signifieth a declining from the right way doth plainely confirme the same Secondly because our popish Rhemists confesse in plaine tearms that euery sinne is a swaruing from the law of God For doubtlesse that which swarueth from the law is truly said to be against the law but not agreeable to the law Thirdly because the famous popish Frier and Romish bishop Iosephus Angles teacheth the same doctrine in his booke dedicated to the Pope himselfe These are his own expresse words Omne peccatum veniale est alicuius legis transgressio Patet quia omne veniale est contra rectam rationem agere contra rectam rationē est agere contra legem naturalem precipientem non esse à regula rectae rationis deuiandum Euery sinne veniall is the transgression of some law This is cleere because euery veniall sinne is against right reason and to doe against right reason is to doe against the law of nature which commaundeth vs not to depart or swarue from the rule of right reason Loe euery veniall sinne is against right reason and against the law of nature which is giuen to euery one in his creation in his birth or natiuitie Fourthly because Durandus another famous papist confuteth the late receiued popish opinion of Thomas Aquinas which the Pope and his Iesuits hold to wit that veniall sinnes are preter legem non contra Besides the law but not against the law These are Du●ands owne words Ad argumentum dicendum quod omne peccatum est contra legem dei naturalem vel inspiratam vel ab eis deriuatam To the argument answere must be made that euery sinne is against the law of God either naturall or inspired or deriued from them And this opinion of M. Durand is this day commonly defended in the popish vniuersities and schooles So saith Frier Ioseph these are his words D. Thomas eius sectatores tenent peccatum veniale non tam esse contra legem quam preter legem Sequitur Durandus tamen alij permulti hanc sententiam impugnant affirmantes peccata venialia esse contra mandata Et haec opinio modo in scbolis videtur communior S. Thomas and his followers hold that a veniall sinne is not so much against the law as besides the law But Durand and many others impugne this opinion auouching veniall sinnes to be against the commaundements And this opinion seemeth now adaies to be more common in the schooles Here I wish the reader to note by the way out of the word modo now adaies the mutabilitie of Romish religion For in that he saith modo now adaies he giueth vs to vnderstand that their doctrine is now otherwise than it was of old and in former ages A note worthie to be remembred For the old Romane religion was catholicke pure and sound and with it doe not I contend but I impugne late Romish faith and doctrine which the Pope and his Romish Schoole-men haue brought into the Church Fiftly because their canonized martyr Iohn Fisher the late bishop of Rochester teacheth the same doctrine so plainely as euery child must needs perceiue the truth in that behalfe These are his expresse words Quod peccatum veniale solum ex dei misericordia veniale sit in hoc tecum sentio That a veniall sinne is onely veniall through the mercie of God and not of it owne nature therein doe I agree vnto you Thus saith our bishop And as he telleth me that he agreeth with Luther therein so doe I tell our Iesuites that I agree with him with Durand Almaine and the other papists that teach the same doctrine Sixtly because Gerson another famous popish writer holdeth the same opinion These are his expresse words Nulla offensa dei est venialis de se nisi tantum modo per respectum ad diuinam misericordiam qui non vult de facto quamlibet offensam imputare ad mortem cum illud posset iustissimè Et ita concluditur quod peccatum mortale veniale in esse tali non distinguuntur intrinsecè essentialiter sed solum per respectum ad diuinam gratiam quae peccatum istud imputat ad poenam mortis aliud non No offence of God is veniall of it owne nature but onely in respect of Gods mercie who will not de facto imputa euery offence to death though he might doe it most iustly And
THE DOVVNEFALL OF POPERIE Proposed by way of a new challenge to all English Iesuits and Iesuited or Italianized papists daring them all iointly and euery one of them seuerally to make answere thereunto if they can or haue any truth on their side knowing for a truth that otherwise all the world will crie with open mouths Fie vpon them and their patched hotch-potch religion Psal. 116. vers 10. Credidi propter quod loquutus sum LONDON Printed by A. Jslip for Arthur Iohnson and are to be sold at the signe of the White Horse ouer against the great North doore of Paules 1604. TO THE MOST PVissant Wise Vertuous Learned Iudicious and Religious Monarch James by Gods permission and holy ordinance king of England Scotland France and Ireland defendour of the auncient Christian Catholike faith and supreme gouernour within his said Realmes Kingdomes Territotories and Dominions next and immediately vnder God ouer all persons and causes as well Ecclesiasticall as Ciuile THe Truth is of such force most gracious and dread Soueraigne that it hath enforced the professed enemies of truth the cursed brood of English traitorous Iesuits and Iesuited papists I meane to testifie the truth against themselues The secular Seminarie priests the Popes owne deere vassals who professe the selfesame religion with the Iesuits and yeeld the selfe same obedience to the Pope tell vs plainly in printed bookes puplished to the view of the whole world a thing verie rare and greatly to bee admired of such brutish barbarous cruell villanous traytorous and most bloodie dealing practised not onely by their deere brethren the Iesuites but euen by themselues also though not in one or the same degree that my selfe doubtlesse could neuer haue giuen credit thereunto if their owne selues had not so written and so testified against themselues They affirme constantly in many printed bookes published to the view of the whole world that the Iesuits by treacherous practises and most bloodie complots haue long sought for the vtter ruine and conquest of noble England and that their owne hearts and hands had sometime beene imbrewed with the same They affirme against the Iesuits First that they are great lyers Secondly that they are proud men richly apparelled furnished with coaches and attended on with a great traine of seruingmen as if they were Barrons or Earles Yea it is constantly auouched that the Iesuit Gerard had two geldings in a gentlemans stable at thirtie pounds a gelding besides others else where and horses of good vse It is also set downe in print that a Iesuit had a girdle and hangers of thirtie pound price Thirdly that they trowle vp and downe from good cheere to good cheere commaunding their chambers to bee perfumed and gentlewomen to pull off their boots Fourthly that they are great statesmen and that matters of state titles of princes genealogies of kings right of succession disposing of scepters with other matters of like qualitie are their chiefe studies Fiftly that they threaten a conquest and promise great preferment to all that will execute their most traitorous designements Sixtly that they are cruell tyrants and firebrands of all sedition Seuenthly that they are theeues and murderers and that the Iesuit Percie stole seuen and twentie pound of the common money by the consent of the other his fellow Iesuits Eightly that they haue a mint of counterfeit miracles with which they labour to seduce the world Yea that they endeuoured with a false miracle to persuade Sebastian the late king of Portugall to establish a setled law That from thence forward none might bee capable of the crowne of Portugall except hee were a Iesuit or chosen by their societie as at Rome the Pope is chosen by the Colledge of Cardinals Nninthly that the Iesuits are right Machiauels and that whosoeuer will adhere vnto thē must depend vpon the deuil of hell Tenthly that the Iesuits are flat cousiners and that their religion is nothing else but an hotchpotch of omnigitherum And to knit vp all in a word that they are the wickedst men vpon earth They confesse against themselues first that Sanders a secular priest was the architect of religion both in England and in Ireland Secondly that the same Sanders did too much extoll the rebels seeing they were executed by the auncient lawes of our countrey for high treason Thirdly that the Iesuits came into England by the instinct of the deuill and were the chiefest instruments of all traitorous practises against our late Soueraine of most happie memorie Fourthly that popish Seminaries are erected for treason Fiftly that the Iesuits and the secular priests expected a chaunge which now they haue indeed but God bee thanked to their euerlasting woe and griefe Sixtly that the Seminarie priests are sworne to be traytours against their dread Soueraigne and natiue countrey Seuenthly that all Iesuited papists must depend vpon the deuill Eightly that poperie is inseparably annexed with treason Ninthly that the hearts and hands of the secular priests had sometime beene as deepe in treasonable practises as the cursed crew of Iesuits Tenthly that the lawes of the land are iustly made both against the Iesuits and themselues and that they are not put to death for religion but for treason Eleuenthly that long hidden treasons are miraculously reuealed God so appointing it to be done All these asseuerations to be true most dread Soueraine I am readie to iustifie out of their owne printed bookes euen vpon the perill of my life if any of them vpon the like perill will challenge mee to haue charged them falsly in that behalfe This notwithstandlng the Iesuits Seminaries and other Iesuited papists doe still expect a tolleration to liue as they list within your Maiesties kingdomes and dominions that is in plaine English to bee rancke traytours as they haue beene For this end they neuer cease to buzze into mens heads and eares so to withdraw them from their due allegeance and to become popish vassals that the next parliament they shall not faile of their desire Against this cursed brood I haue published many bookes but to this day could I not receiue answere to any of them all Neither can they alledge for their excuse that they haue not seene my bookes or else they would haue answered the same For about a yeere agoe the masked Iesuit E. O. did publish a treatise against two learned writers of this age in which he taketh notice to the bookes which I have published against them and their late vpstart Romish religion which by piece meale and by little and little hath crept into the Church as I haue prooued at large in my former volumes These are the expresse wordes of the masked Iesuit To these former I was once determined to haue adioined a reformed brother of theirs one Thomas Bell who hath published certaine bookes against the Catholicke Church and vaunteth mightily and with insolent words braueth all Seminaries but I altered my purpose partly vpon other considerations but especially because the
confutation of his worthy workes is alreadie vndertaken and to bee published if it shall bee thought necessarie Thus doth the Iesuit write By whose wordes it is very apparant cleere and euident that they haue beene many yeeres buzzing about some answere either to all or some one of my bookes but neuer yet durst aduenture to frame any answere to any one of the said bookes and to publish it to the view of the world Their silence in not answering my said bookes hath reclaimed many a man from their popish faction and therefore would they gladly haue the the world to thinke that they are in mind to answere my said bookes but they seeme to meane nothing lesse in deed and why hee telleth vs forsooth That the confutation which hath beene long vndertaken must be published but with this addition If it shall be thought necessarie What a iest is this the Iesuits and Seminarie priests haue consulted now for the space of eight yeeres and aboue and haue all that time deuised how to frame some colourable answere at the least to all or some of the said bookes and in the end of the yeere 1602 haue vndertaken the confutation of my worthy workes as they scornefully tearme them but for all that cannot yet tell whether it be expedient to publish the said confutation or no. Are these men the great Statists of the world are these men the skilfull Polititians that must manage all Europe are these our learned Diuines are these they indeed vpon whose doctrin and guiding all Lay-papists do depend and on their shoulders do hang their soules and saluation doubtlesse they may preach this goodly sermon to wise men but onely noddies and starke fooles will beleeue them In regard hereof most dread Soueraigne and because I greatly desire once during my life to receiue answere to some part of my labours published against our English Iesuited papists that so wee may valianly fight the combat my selfe so hauing occasion to reply vpon their answere which would bee to mee melle fauo dulcius I haue compiled and couched in a small roome a fewe distinct articles for answere whereunto I once againe challenge Robert Persons that traitorous Iesuit George Blackwell that seditious and late start-vp archpriest and all other English Iesuits Seminarie priests and Iesuited papists whosoeuer and wheresoeuer ioyntly and seuerally daring them all ioyntly and euerie one of them seuerally to answere either all my bookes or some one of them or these few articles or at least to confesse plainely that they cannot answere because I hold and defend the truth These my late studies most gratious Soueraigne I haue presumed to dedicate vnto your Maiestie in congratulation of your most happie raigne ouer vs whom God of his great mercie hath raised vp in our greatest necessitie to continue his holy Gospell among vs and to abolish all idolatrie and superstition out of his Church It is not such a present I confesse as beseemeth your most royall excellencie yet such a one as my small talent is able to affoord I most humbly beseech your Highnesse for to accept it as our Lord Iesus Christ did accept the two mytes of the poore widdow and withall for to protect and patronize the same against the traitorous Iesuits and Iesuited papists within your Maiesties Realmes who seeke by might and maine as I am credibly informed not onely to impaire my good fame and name with their malicious tongues but also to take away my life with their bloodie hands The Almightie blesse your Maiestie with long prosperous and happie raigne in this world and with euerlasting life in the world to come Amen From my studie this fourteenth of Ianuarie 1603. Your Maiesties loyall subiect and faithfull seruant Thomas Bell. To all English Iesuits Seminarie priests and Iesuited papists in England Scotland or wheresoeuer els I Haue written many times at large in larger volumes heartily and instantlie desiring to haue receiued some answere from you either from all ioyntly or from some of you seuerallie In my first booke published in the yeare 1593 I promised to yeeld if any of you could conuince me either to haue alleadged any writer corruptlie or to haue quoted any place guilefullie or to haue charged any author falslie since that time I haue challenged you againe and againe to answere me but Ne gry quidem will be had no answere can you make or dare you make In regard hereof I haue at this present compiled a few articles couched in a small roome challenging you once againe to frame the best answere you can vnto the same if you can sieceerelie and trulie confute these articles or any one of my former bookes I promise herewith and I protest before God to performe it to subscribe vnto your doctrine If you therefore shall refuse to answere me because you cannot for if you can you will vndoubtedlie performe it all wise men which haue any care of their saluation will without all peraduenture after notice hereof made knowen vnto them crie Fie vpon you and your religion Answere therefore ô papists if ye can if ye cannot so doe then repent for shame and yeeld vnto the truth Farewell THE FIRST ARTICLE of the falsely so supposed soueraignetie of the Bishop of Rome YOu Papists tell vs that your Pope the Bishop of Rome is aboue all powers and potentates on earth that he can depose kings and emperours from their royall thrones and translate their empires and regalities at his good will and pleasure But this doctrine is false absurd and nothing els but a meere fable and consequently late Romish religion consisteth of meere falshoods fables and flat leasings The proposition the Iesuit Bellarmine that late Romish Cardinall setteth downe in these words Si ergo princeps aliquis ex oue aut ariete fiat lupus id est ex Christiano fiat haereticus poterit pastor ecclesiae eum arcere per excommunicationem simul iubere populo ne eum sequantur ac proinde priuare eum dominio in subditos If therefore any prince of a sheepe or ramme become a wolfe that is to say of a Christian be made an heretick then the pastors of the Church the Pope forsooth may driue him away by excommunication and withall commaund the people not to obey him and therfore depriue him of his dominion ouer his subiects Thus we see that when any prince is not or ceaseth to be a Papist for that with this Iesuiticall Cardinall and all others of his brood is to be an hereticke then the Pope forsooth may depose such a prince from his royall scepter and absolue his subiects from their alleageance to him This is the common doctrine of all Iesuited papists as I haue proued in my anatomie of Popish tyrannie The assumption is prooued by the flat testimonie of their famous Pope Gregorie the great in these words Ego quidem iussioni subiectus eandem legem per diuersas terrarum partes transmittifeci quia
priuiledge graunted from this emperour wrested their neckes from the emperours subiection Let these words of Platina be well remembred because he being a famous papist must needs be of good credit against them I let passe the petite step when the emperor Phocas made Rome the head of all churches which for all that is of some moment The fourth step was the great amitie betweene Zacharie then Bishop of Rome and Pipine gouernour of France vnder Childerich the king for Pipine purposing to defeat his lord and soueraigne of the kingdome and to inuest himselfe therein sent his embassadours to Zacharie then Bishop of Rome and his bounden friend to demaund this question of him viz. VVhether he were more worthy to be king which was king only by name and naturall succession or els he who bare the whole burthen of the kingdome alone yet lacked the dignitie of a king The Pope vnderstanding the parable right well and respecting his owne future aduancement likely to ensue thereupon answered roundly I will not say clerkely but like a right doctor of the Romish rout that it was more rightfull forsooth that he which tooke the charge of all things should be called king Vpon this iudgement so clerkely yeelded Pipine forthwith presumed to depose Childerich and made himselfe king that done saintlesse not sackles Zacharie the Bishop of Rome that antichrists forerunner might be known assoiled Pipine and the other Frenchmen of their oath of allegeance and fealtie made to Childerich and confirmed Pipine the traitor in the kingdome of France This was indeed a step not of Iacobs ladder nor of Scala coeli but of Scala inferni Scala Antichristi and of the ladder of the master deuill of hell Yet is not our Iesuit and Cardinall Bellarmine the mouth of all papists and of the Pope himselfe ashamed to publish the same as a ground of the popish religion For these are his owne words Childericum deposuit Zacharias in eius locum Pipinum Caroli magni patrem creari iussit Cuius causa fuit quia propter socordiam Childerici religioni regno in Gallia extrema ruina imminere videbatur Pope Zacharie deposed Childericke and commaunded to place and inuest Pipine father to Charles the great in his throne the cause whereof was this because forsooth through the slouthfull and negligent gouernment of Childericus the kingdome and religion in Fraunce seemed to be in great danger This is the deepe diuinitie of the Pope and his clergie by which we may learne many worthie lessons 1 First that the Pope may set vp and pull downe kings at his pleasure by Iesuiticall doctrine and late Romish religion 2 Secondly that the Pope and Iesuites are the grand-masters and architects of seditions rebellions and most bloudie treasons 3 Thirdly that it is very true which the secular priests haue written concerning the traiterous proceedings of Iesuits and Iesuited papists 4 Fourthly that the Pope commaunded to depose the Soueraigne and to inthronize the subiect in his place 5 Fiftly that all this was done because forsooth the king did not rule after the Popes fansie and pleasure Hereupon I inferre this necessarie correlarie viz. that it behooueth Christian kings to be vigilant and in due time to expell all traiterous papists out of their dominions And if the Bishop of Rome shall send any seditious popeling into their kingdomes and territories with his thunderbolts buls and excommunications then to deale with the messengers as king Philip the faire dealt with pope Boniface his nuncioes in France whom he committed to prison and caused the Popes buls to be burnt in the fire And as Charles the sixt when Bennet the 13. did interdict his realme sitting in the throne of iustice in his high court of parliament the 21 of May in the yeere 1408. gaue sentence that the bull should be rent in pieces and that Gonsalue and Conseleux the bearer thereof should be set vpon a pillorie and publickely traduced in the pulpit The storie is set downe at large by the French papists in their booke intituled the Iesuites catechisme and the same is recorded in my anatomie of Popish tyrannie The fift step was the decay of the empire in the East about the yeere 756. For when Aistulphus or as some write Aristulphus king of the Lombards besieged the citie of Rome for the space of three whole moneths exacting an huge tribute of the Romanes then Pope Stephanus the second made suite to Pipinus king of France to stand their good master and to defend the citie from the furie of the Lombards King Pipine willing to gratifie his good friend the Bishop of Rome came with a mightie armie against Aistulphus and besieged him in Pauie and then and there constrained him to appeale to his mercie and to yeeld vp the exerchate of Rauenna and Pentapolis into his hands This being effected king Pipine whom Pope Zacharie of a traitour had made king as is alreadie prooued gave vp the gouernment of Italie into the Popes hands And the king had reason so to doe for as we know one good turne requires another So now the lieutenants of the emperours of Constantinople ended their whole power in Italie who aforetime had their seats at Rauenna and now was he taken out of the way who as the Apostle telleth vs did hinder the comming of Antichrist for Pope Stephen in way of gratitude confirmed the inheritance royall of the kingdome of France to the said Pipine and to his posteritie for euer Here began a new progenie of the kings of France for Childericus was the last king of the stocke of Meroneus who was the first king Christian of France This truth is apparant by the testimonie of many renowned Chronographers it cannot be denied The sixt step was the translation of the Romane empire from the Greeks to the Frenchmen or Germans in the person of magnificall Charles as the Iesuit Bellarmine tearmeth him The truth is this as popish Chronographers doe record and testifie to the world viz. That when the Romanes had driuen from among them Pope Leo the third he appealed to Charles then king of France who came to Rome and examined the matter and in the end appeased the Romanes and restored the Pope to his place and dignitie againe For this good worke and kind fauour of the king the Pope and people of Rome hauing now a long time in mind and affection reuolted from the emperour of Constantinople and seeing a fit opportunitie offered to accomplish their long wished desires did with vniforme consent and ioyfull acclamation proclaime Charles the great the emperour of Rome giuing him the imperiall names of Caesar and Augustus and setting the royall diademe vpon his head by the hands of Pope Leo. And for the better credit of mine assertion I will here recount the very words of Sigebertus a famous Chronographer and popish monke who therefore must needs be of credit with
I find these expresse wordes Sic Papa dicitur habere caeleste● arbitrium ideo etiam naturam rerum immutat substantiam vnius rei applicando alij de nihilo potest aliquid facere So the Pope is said to haue celestiall arbitrement and therefore doth he alter the nature of things applying the substantiall parts of one thing to an other and so can make of nothing something Thus the papists write of their Pope and he is well pleased therewith And yet the truth is that as man can in some cases at some time make one thing of an other so in all cases at all times to make some thing of nothing is proper to God alone The Popes parasites write thus of his power in generall Sicut non est potestas nisia deo sic nec aliqua temporalis vel ecclesiastica imperialis vel regalis nisi à Papa in cuius foemore scripsit Christus rex regum dominus dominantium Like as there is no power but of God so is there neither any temporall nor ecclesiasticall neither imperiall nor regall but of the Pope in whose thigh Christ hath written the King of kings and Lord of lords Loe here gentle reader two things are proper to God alone the one to be King of kings and Lord of lords the other to be the author of all power both which you see here ascribed to the Pope The Pope himselfe from his owne pen Gregorie the ninth deliuereth vs this doctrine Ad firmamentum coeli hoc est vniuers alis ecclesiae fecit deus duo magna luminaria id est duas instituit dignitates quae sunt pontificalis authoritas regalis potestas sequitur vt quanta est inter solem lunam tanta inter pontifices reges differentia cognoscatur To the firmament of heauen that is of the vniuersall church God made two lights pontificall authoritie and power royall that we may know there is asmuch difference between Popes and kings as there is betweene the sunne the moone The glosse setteth downe precisely how farre a king is inferiour to a Pope that is to any bishop of Rome in these words Restat vt pontificalis dignitas quadragesies septies sit maior regali dignitate It remaineth that the dignitie of the Pope is fourtie times seuen times greater than the power of the king Now touching the kissing of the Popes feete I answere that some Christian kings and emperours vpon a blind zeale not grounded in knowledge humbling themselues to the Bishop of Rome and yeelding vp their soueraigne rights to him opened the window to all antichristian tyrannie For in short time after as is alreadie prooued the Romish bishops became so lordly and insolent that they tooke vpon them to depose the emperors to translate their empires and to dispose at their pleasures of their royall scepters and regalities Much more might be said in this matter but for that the Pope hath made it sacriledge to dispute of this I will here onely tell thee gentle reader what the Popes deere frier Sigebertus hath written of his holines These are his expresse words Vt pace omnium honorum dixerim haec sola nouitas non dicam haeresis nondum in mundo emerserat vt sacerdotes illius qui regnarefacit hypocritā propter peccata populi doceant populum quod malis regibus nullam debeant subiectionem licet ei sacramentum fidelitatis fecerint nullam tamen debeant fidelitatem nec periuri dicantur qui contra regem senserint imo qui regi pa●●erit pro excommunicato habeatur qui contra regem fecerit noxa iniustitiae periuris absoluatur To speake by the fauour of all good men this sole noueltie I wil not say heresie was not yet known in the world that his priests who maketh an hypocrite to reigne for the sinnes of the people should teach the people that they owe no subiection to wicked kings and that although they haue taken the oth of fealtie yet doe they owe them no allegeance neither are they periured that thinke ill against the king yea he that obeyeth the king is this day reputed an excommunicate person and he that taketh part against the king is absolued from the crime of iniustice and periurie This is our very case gentle reader this day in England so liuely painted out in best beseeming coulours as if the writer had bene liuing euen now amongst vs. So then wee haue to obserue here for our instruction That the Popes owne monkes and friers haue thought as ill of the Popes dealings in former times as we thinke of his procedings in these latter dayes As also That popish religon hath alwaies bene condemned euen of great learned papists that liued in the Popes Church VVhereof none can be ignorant that will seriously peruse my bookes of Motiues and Suruey And this shall suffice for the first article to which if their hearts doe not faint them or their consciences condemne them the papists will frame some answere vndoubtedly The second Article touching the erroneous doctrine of the Popish masse The first member Of the impossibilitie of their supposed reall presence AQuinas the Iesuit Bellarmine the councell of Trent Melchior Canus Iosephus Angles and the rest of the Romish brood hold constantlie as an article of their christian faith That the true organicall and naturall bodie of Christ Iesus which was borne of the Virgin Marie which was crucified and nayled on the crosse which rose againe the third day from death and is circumscriptiuely and locally in heauen is also truelie really and substantially vnder the forme of bread and wine in the sacrifice of the popish masse But this is impossible as which implieth flat contradiction and consequently late romish religion consisteth of impossibilities falshoodes and contradictions The doubt hereof is onely in the assumption for proofe whereof I set downe this supposall with our Cardinall Bellarmine viz. That we are not bound to beleeue any thing which implyeth contradiction And because I will proceed sincerely yee shall heare his owne words thus doth he write Neque fides nostra ad id nos obligat vt ea defendamus quae euidenter implicant contradictionem Neither doth our faith bind vs so that wee must defend those things which implie euident contradiction But so it is that the popish imaginarie being of Christs bodie in a little round cake implieth in it selfe euident contradiction and cannot possibly be brought to passe For example no power vpon earth or in heauen can bring to passe that a bodie being three cubits long and one cubit broad remaining still so long and so broad shall be contained in another bodie of two cubits length and halfe a cubite breadth The reason hereof is euident because so to containe and be so contained implieth flat contradiction And this is the case now in controuersie concerning Christs supposed being in the round popish cake For if Christs naturall and
enim fere de illis obscurit atibus eruitnr quod non planissime dictum alibi reperiatur For almost nothing is contained in obscure places which is not most plainely vttered in some other place The same father in an other place hath these wordes Nec solum vobis sufficiat quod in ecclesia diuinas lectiones auditis sed etiam in domibus vestris aut ipsi legite aut alios legentes requirite libenter audite Let it not be enough for you onely to heare Gods word in the Church but also read it your selues in your houses or else procure others to read it and heare you them willing Out of these wordes of this holy writer and antient father we may learne many godly lessons First that all things needfull for our saluation are plainely set downe in the scriptures Secondly that things which are obscurely touched in some places are plainelie handled in other places Thirdly that the scriptures are obscure in some places to exercise our wits and to cleanse the loathsomenesse of our stomackes Fourthly that we must read the scriptures at home in our houses not heare them read in the Churches Fiftly that if we cannot read them our selues then must we procure others to read them to vs and marke diligently what they read and heare them with desire and alacritie of mind Saint Hierome is consonant to Saint Austen and Saint Chysostome affirming that in his time which was about 1200 yeeres agoe both monkes men and women did contend who could learne moe scriptures without book These are his expresse wordes Solent viri solent monachi solent mulierculae hoc inter se habere certamen vt plures ediscant scripturas in eose putant esse meliores si plures edidicerint Men women and monkes vse to contend one with another who can learne moe scriptures and herein they thinke themselues better if they can learne more The same Saint Hierome in an other place speaking of the education of a yoong maid of seuen yeeres old hath these wordes Matris nutum pro verbis ac monitis pro imperio habeat Amet vt parentem subijciatur vt dominae timeat vt magistram Cum autem virgunculam rudem edentulam septimus aetatis annus exceperit caeperit erubescere scire quid taceat dubitare quid dicat discat memoriter psalterium vsque ad annos pubertatis libros Salomonis euangelia Apostolos prophetas sui cordis thesaurum faciat Let her mothers beck to her be in steed of wordes admonitions and commaunds Let her loue her as her parent obey her as her ladie and feare her as her mistris And when the rude and toothlesse girle shall bee seuen yeere old and shall begin to be bashfull to know when to be silent and when to speake then let her learne the Psames by heart and without booke and till she be twelue yeeres of age or marriageable let her make the bookes of Salomon the Gospels Apostles and Prophets the treasure of her heart Thus writeth Saint Hierome out of whose golden words I note these golden obseruations First that both men and women in his dayes did studie and read the scriptures as diligently and painfully as the monkes Secondly that in his time they thought themselues the happiest people who could con by heart the most texts of holy scripture Wheras amongst the papists they are deemed most holy that can by heart no scripture at all but absteine from the reading thereof as from the poyson of their soules Thirdly that yong women being but seuen yeeres of age must be acquainted with the holy scriptures learne by heart the booke of Psalmes Fourthly that from seuen yeeres vpward vntill puberty that is to say vntill the twelft yere of their age they must read seriously the bookes of Salomon the Gospels Apostles and Prophets and set their whole delite therein And the same holy father in his Epistle to the godly matrone Celantia doth perswade her for the best course of her life to be continually conuersant in the holy scriptures These are his wordes Sint ergo diuinae scipturae semper in manibus tuis iugiter mente voluantur Let therefore the holy scriptures be alwayes in thy hands and let them be vncessantly tossed or rolled in thy mind Saint Theodoretus telleth vs with good liking thereof that in his time the scriptures were translated into all maner of languages that they were not onely vnderstood of doctors masters of the Church but euen of the lay-people and common artificers His expresse wordes I will alledge which are these Hebraici vero libri non modo in Graecum idioma conuersi sunt sed in Romanam quoque linguam Aegyptiam Persicam Indicam Armenicaque Scythicam atque adeo Sauromaticam semelque vt dicam in linguas omnes quibus ad hanc diem nationes vtuntur Sequitur paulò inferius fossoresque adeo ac bubulcos inuenias plant arumque consitores de diuina trinitate rerumque omnium creatione discertantes The Hebrew bookes are turned not onely into the Greeke tongue but also into the Roman language also into the Aegyptian Persian Indians Armenian and Scythian as also into the Sauromatick tongue to speake all in a word into all tongues which this day are in vse amongst nations And after hee hath told vs that the Church-doctrine is knowne to all maner artizans of both sexes he addeth that we may find ditchers deluers neatheards and gardiners disputing euen of the blessed trinitie and of the creation of all things VVhereupon it is euident that in the auncient Church and in the time of old religion as the sillie foolish papists call their Romish inuentions which is in deed a newly inuented religion as I haue proued in my Suruey of poperie euery nation had the holy scriptures in their vulgar language and that in those dayes all the Christians did read the holy scriptures so seriously that both men and women of all trades and conditions were able to dispute of the holy trinitie and of the creation of the world VVhich two points doubtlesse are the most difficult obscure hard and intricate articles in the whole course of theologie The Iesuit Bellarmine a wonderfull thing to be heard and a most incredible sauing that the truth must needes in time haue the vpper hand confesseth so much vnawares as is able sufficiently to prooue and conclude my intended scope and proposition These are his expresse wordes His notatis dico illa omnia scripta esse ab apostolis quae sunt omnibus necessariae quaeipsipalam omnibus vulgo praedicauerant alia autem non omnia scripta esse These obseruations being marked I answere that all those things were written by the Apostles which are necessarie for all men and which the Apostles preached openly to all the vulgar people but that all other things were not written Thus writeth our skilfull Iesuit who