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A33205 An answer to the representer's reflections upon the state and view of the controversy with a reply to the vindicator's full answer, shewing, that the vindicator has utterly ruined the new design of expounding and representing popery. Clagett, William, 1646-1688.; Clagett, Nicholas, 1654-1727. 1688 (1688) Wing C4376; ESTC R11070 85,324 142

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