A LITLE STONE Pretended to be out of the MOUNTAIN Tried and found to be a Counterfeit OR AN EXAMINATION REFVTATION OF Mr. LOCKYERS LECTURE Preached at Edinburgh ANNO 1651. Concerning the MATER of the VISIBLE CHURCH And afterwards Printed with an APPENDIX for Popular Government of single CONGREGATIONS Together with an EXAMINATION in two APPENDICES Of what is said on these same purposes in a LETTER of some in Aberdene who lately have departed from the Communion and Government of this CHURCH By JAMES WOOD Professor of Theol. in S. Andrews EDINBVRGH Printed by ANDRO ANDERSON for George Suintoun and Robert Broun and are to be sold at their Shops 1654. TO THE RIGHT HONOURABLE JOHN EARLE of CASSILS LORD KENNEDY My Lord WHat the wise observing King uttered long agoe that of making of Books there is no end was never more verified in any then it is in the present age wherein scribunt docti indoctique every smatterer and every fancie-full head must have the Presse travel to bring forth their froathy conceptions And Presses by many are made use of as engines to discharge revylings reproaches and blasphemies against the God of Heaven his blessed Truths wayes and Ordinances For my self I can say in truth it hath not hitherto been my ambition to increase wearinesse of the flesh by much Reading And that now I come this way to the worlds view 't is not of mine own meer choise but because a necessity was laid upon me The Author with whom I have to do in this ensueing debate having not only opened his mouth to Preach in the most eminent-place in this Land but also adventured to Write and Print against the Orthodox Doctrine touching the constitution and Government of the Visible Church of Christ revileing in speciall the Church in this Land yet through its side also stricking at all the Orthodox Churches in Europe as no Church but a dead carcasse having neither matter nor form of a true Church a nest of unclean birds idolatrous c. And thereupon charging with a great deal of confidence and big words all truely Godly to come out of it and to separate from it It was by some Reverend and Godly men thought expedient that altho there appear little or nothing in what is said by him which may brangle the mind of any judicious Reader Yet because it is a thing usuall to adversaries of the Truth if what they say be it never so weak get not an Answer to brag of it as unanswerable And unsettled minds that have not their senses exercised to discern good and evill are ready to be taken with any thing busked up with gay words and so to be carried about like weather-Cocks with every wind of Doctrine as many sad examples of this time prove an Answer should be returned to him lest truth should so much as seem to suffer prejudice any way And this taske they were pleased to lay upon me Who albeit I do and cannot but ingenuously acknowledge my self one of the least and weakest Servants of Christ and that many others there are in this Church who might far more worthily acquit themselves in this service Yet durst not withstand the motion having so clear a Calling and considering withall how I stand oblidged in my station to maintain the true Religion in Doctrine Worship Discipline and Government by the mercy of God established amongst us in common with the rest of the Lords people in the Land by Solemn Vow and Covenant and more particularly by the Lords bringing me who had been in my younger years educated as to many things in a contrary way to the acknowledgment of â—he truth in a very gracious manner with a strong hand and in much long-suffering patience whereby he waited to be gracious that he might be exalted in shewing mercy on me Haply it will be matter of talking to some that this of mine has been so long in coming forth after Mr. Lockier published his But it is not unknown to many who have been witnesses to my diligence that my Answer was in readinesse within a few Moneths after his Peece came to my hands and the task was laid upon me And had come abroad if several difficulties had not interveened Now when it is to be published I desire humbly to present it to your Lordship first and under your Honourable name to the view of the world I must spare to expresse all the great causes oblidging me so to do Because to expresse them would not only be haply inexpedient But also would be I know unsavoury to your self whom I have alwayes found desirous to aprove your self in reality of wel doing but never liking well to hear of other mens euges Only this much I cannot forbear and must begge your Lordships leave to say The personall obligations which you have laid upon me by a continued tract of undeserved respects ever since the first time I was known to your Lordship would require a worthier testimony of acknowledgment then is this mean present or any thing else my small store of abilities can afford But to speak truth it is not so much any personall concernment that hath engaged my heart to your Lordship as that which hath endeared you to all who know the truth and you That grace which God hath vouchsafed upon you to walk in tendernesse and closenesse with himself in your privat course and with constant zeal to improve your publick station wherein ye have stood for promoving the interest of Religion and righteousnesse and the good of Gods people without byasse or wavering in any revolution of times wherewith many turning upon the axletree of their own self-interests have whirled about the sweet fruit whereof I doubt not but you find in these glowmie dayes and trust shall abide with you to the end through the mercy of the Lord whose gifts and graces are without repentance I will not adventure upon such severe self-denyednesse to speak more of what I have had the happinesse to be acquainted with in your Lordship I hope this testimony of my sense of the obligation I ly under to honour your Lordship shal finde favourable acceptance at your hands I will not presume for indeed it were presumption to commend my work in it I pretend to nothing therein but that through the Grace of God I have ingenuously and in simplicity tho in much weaknesse spoken for truth But the matter it self is precious and of great weight consisting of two great interests of Christ Jesus his Visible Church which is his Visible Kingdom on earth The one touching the qualifications of the persons that are to be acknowledged members of his Visible Church and so in effect comes to be a Question de sinibus of the marches of his Visible Kingdom The other touching the matter and way of the externall Visible Government thereof As to the former my Author has so straitned the bounds of Christs Visible Church that by his sentence none are to be
acknowledged as members thereof and consequently to be under the Ministeriall dispensation of the publick Ordinances of Christ the ordinary means of saving souls but such as are already and antecedently found to be savingly converted regenerated and sealed of God for his by the Holy Spirit if not in the truth of the object which yet most part of his reasoning and discourse pleads for yet in the positive judgement of very spirituall and discerning men And that as some others of his way further lay out the matter upon triall and proof thereof given by a conversation led without the omission of any known duty or commission of any known sin A publick declaration of their knowledge in the fundamentalls and of other points of Religion necessary to lead a life without scandall together with a narration of the experimentall work of their Effectuall Calling unto Repentance and faith And all Churches that are not constituted of only such matter as this are to our Author wrong constitute In the former part of this Examination my labour is to discover the unwarrantablnesse and contrariety of this Tenent to the Word of God And to shew that all who being of years does seriously professe the Christian faith and subjection to be disciplin'd and governed by the Ordinances of Christ ought to be admitted into the fellowship of his Visible Church without any necessity of puting them to a triall touching their inward spirituall estate and judging upon the same whether regenerat or not as to that effect And are to be dealt with by Pastours and privat Christians in their respective wayes as these that are 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 within 1 Cor. 5. 12. Upon this point I have insisted the more largely because not so fully and of purpose handled by others before And it is of a truth of greater importance then many are awarre of 'T is far from my thoughts to charge our Independent Brethren with any perverse designe in taking up and following that opinion which I dispute against Many of them known to me by their writings especially these worthy Ministers in New-England Cotton Hooker Shepheard Norton c. I do from my heart reverence as godly and faithfull Servants of Christ and as burning and shining lights in the Reformed Church But I think verily the specious notion of a pure Visible Church has duzled their eyes and led them upon a way which in it self beside that it hath no warrand in the Word of God should it get footing in the world tends to the ruine loss of many souls and to the bringing of the greatest prejudice to the present Cause and Churches that any thing ever yet did since the first Reformation from Popery And I am perswaded that albeit the intention of those holy and reverend men abettors of it be honest and from simplicity of heart Yet Satan is under-board let no man offend at this I say Peters example teacheth us that Satan may abuse good mens zeal and intentions for Christ to wicked ends contrair to his Cause Satan I say is under-board driving that wicked designe For if that be the the rule and modell of constituting the Visible Church which they give us are not all the Reformed Churches by this means condemned of wrong constitution razed out of the account of true Visible Churches as not being conformed nor ever having been set up according to that modell And what could more gratifie the Roman Antichrist and his followers then to yeeld this Again is there not hereby a ground laid to Question all Administration of Ordinances that has been in them and to justifie the wilde fancy of Seekers denying that there is or hath been for many ages any Church or Ordinances in the world Moreover when as none of the Reformed Churches at this day are thus constitute if that modell should have place must not either all of them be dissolved and cast down to the ground that new ones may be reared up of some few precious ones picked out of their ruines or to the effect they may consist only of persons regenerated and sealed by the Spirit all other persons who albeit they professe the truth subject themselves to Ordinances yet come not up so far as to obtain a positive sentence that they are regenerat upon such 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 evidences as these men require must be all cast out and banished the Church put amongst those that are 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 without 1 Cor. 5. 12 left destitute of the custody of spiritual Discipline Pastorall instruction inspection and authority And so exposed to be a prey to Satan and his Emissaries Jesuits Hereticks and erroneous spirits whatsoever to be led away unto what soever pernicious soul-destroying errours or to turn black Atheists That this is no needlesse fear but a reall consequent of this way is too too clear by the sad examples of many in these times who living without the pale of true Visible Churches and not subject to the shepheards staffe and vigilancy are run out into so many wilde errours in Religion as never age of the Christian Church saw the like Touching the other head the Author in his Appendix pleadeth for two things 1. That the power and exercise of Church Government should be in the hands of the whole body or community of Professours as well as of the Officers appointed by Christ in the Church A Tenent not heard of in the Christian Church untill Morellius in France Anabaptists and Brownists fancied it and as contrary to the Word of God which to Ministers and other Officers appointed by Christ in his Church as contradistinguished from common Professours attributeth the name of Rulers injoyns the work of Ruling and prescribes the rules of right governing but never to the people so cannot but unavoidably draw after it much confusion and frequent schisms in the Church of God whereof experience affordeth plenty of examples 2. That this power of Government should be solely intirely â—nd Independently in a single Congregation A Tenent that besides the contrariety thereof to the Word of God and the very light of nature carrieth with it a multitude of gross absurdities and inconveniencies By this means let a particular Congregation of 30. or 20. or fewer 10. or 7. persons for of so few may a Church as our Brethren say be compleatly constitute run into never so grosse an errour as to Excommunicate a person unjustly to hold and maintain Heresie in Doctrine to set up idolatrous worship there is no Ecclesiastick authoritative remedy left under Heaven to rectifie it All Church-communion amongst the Churches of Christ is taken away The unity of Christs sheep-fold the Visible Church upon earth is dissolved and Christ should have as many visible bodies as there are particular Congregations A Minister could not perform any Ministeriall act out of his own Congregation Not Preach but as a privat gifted Brother Not Administer the Sacraments out of his own Congregation nor give the Sacrament
to a member of another Congregation as Mr. Hooker ingenuously acknowledges Surv. Part. 2. admission and ejection of members should only be into and from a particular Congregation A child should be Baptized into a particular Congregation only and not into the Universall Church And one Excommunicated cast out only of a particular Congregation because the power extends no further Way is made to let in all errours and heresies and as many Religions as there are particular Congregations and none can hinder it in an Ecclesiastick way and many more absurdities should follow as Learned and Godly men have judiciously observed Contrair to those Assertions is my second Part imployed for vindication of the true way of Government which Christ has instituted in his Word and in great mercy set up in this Church to wit by his Ministers and Officers not Lording over the people of God in a Papall or Prelaticall way as this Author either mistakes or calumniats but Ministerially under Christ the only Lord of his Church Ruling them according to the Rule of his Word in a way of rationall obedience And that in a way of communion and association of Churches and subordination of lesser associations unto greater and larger as the Lord grants by his providence conveniency On this I have not insisted so largly as the matter it self might afforded occasion of discourse Because it has been by learned and reverend men already so fully debated the proofs of the truth so clearly made out and all contrary Objections so abundantly discussed and satisfied that I had little or nothing to adde Yet I trust I have through the Lords help in some measure discovered the insufficiency and invalidity of what is brought by this Author who I wonder much should have adventured to present the world with such a discourse upon the mater after so learned labours of others as are extant upon the same I have also in two Appendices taken into consideration what is said upon these same points by some in Aberdene lately turned aside from the truth in a Letter of theirs directed to some Godly men in the South May 1652. The reasons moving me hereto were 1. Because of their correspondence with Mr. Lockiers Peece and it seemeth they have been in a manner his proselytes Then having some time had more particular and intimat acquaintance with some of them it would be to me mater of much rejoicing in the Lord if I could be instrumentall to discover to them the we knesse of the grounds whereupon they have fallen from their stedfastnesse that so if possible which I wish from my heart they might be moved to remember whence they have fallen to repent and to do their first works And finally tâ—… what ever should be the effect as to them the irrelevancy 〈◊〉 the causes of their departure being laid open others might see no cause why any should be shaken with their fall And blessed be God there are not yet many in this Land that have followed them in this What may be afterward the Lord who sees the thoughts of mens hearts afar off knoweth Times indeed are sifting And the ignorance of many the base earthly time serving minds of others unadvised principles in some who may be sees not yet the far end of their consequences may prove an advantage to seducements produce more defection from the profession of the truth if temptations continue then as yet we have seen But let temptations and trialls be what they will the Cause of Christ even that part of it which I stand for here the order Government of this Church which he has appointed in his Word and thereby made known to this Church shal stand firm It has been a cup of trembling to all that have hitherto laid siege against it and a burdensome stone to all that have at any time burdened themselves wâ—…h it to cut them in pieces it will yet prove so to all who will adventure to do the like And turn their back upon it who will Christ will not want his witnesses to bear witness unto it Even if need be by not loving their lives unto the death And O but that man might count himself highly favoured of God whom he should honour with that dignity as that eminent servant of Jesus Christ Mr. Welsch spoke in relation to himself of suffering for some branches of the same cause wâ—…ged in his time But having detained your Lordship too 〈◊〉 I present this testimony I have given to it according to my weak measure to you commending it not only to your favourable acceptance but also to your judicious censure and your self unto the Grace of God who has called you unto the uâ—…ained love of the truth and is able to preserve you therein â—…lameable unto the end I am Your Lordsâ—… most humble Servant in the Lord James Wood. AN ADVERTISEMENT TO THE READER ALbeit it hath pleased Mr. Lockier to prefixe unto his Book two Epistles of his own and a third of three of his friends containing many sharp invectives against this Church and strange Commentaries upon the Lords dispensations toward us as striking against our Church constitution and Government Yet I shall not detain the Reader with scanning of the same being confident that upon the clearing and vindicating of the truth in the following Treatise these discourses will be found by the Godly and Judicious to be not only bitter against Brethren in affliction proving them to be Physitians of no value but injurious to God and his Truth in ascribing our calamities to our adhering thereto and judging of the truth of our Religion by the Lords outward dispensations toward us An Index of the Sections PART I. Concerning the Mater of the Visible Kirk SECT I. MR. Lockier his Analysis and explication of the Text Act. 15. 3. for laying a ground to his Doctrine concerning the Mater of the Visible Kirk considered p. 1. SECT II. His Doctrine pondered and the state of the controversie between us and the Independent Brethren touching the necessary qualification of Members of the Visible Kirk cleared p. 16. SECT III. His first Classe of Arguments from Act. 9. 26. and 2. 47. and Heb. 3. 5 6. brought as directly holding forth his Doctrine Answered p. 31. SECT IV. The Authors Texts which he calls hints and shadows of his Doctrine p. 40. SECT V. Examination of the proof of his Doctrine by induction p. 56 SECT VI. ExaminatioÌ„ of his proofs brought under the name of reason p. 83 SECT VII A short modest reply to the bitter use he maketh of his Doctrine p. 102. SECT VIII The Objections he maketh to himself and his Answers thereto considered p. 107. SECT IX Some Arguments confirming our Doctrine and everting the adverse opinion about the necessary qualification of Members of the Visible Kirk p. 127. APPEND Wherein is Examined so muc◠〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that Letter written by these of Aberdene who lately have sepâ—…ted from this Kirk upon the
there were wicked persons in these Churches therefore we may constitute Churches now in the dayes of the Gospel with good and bad with truely good and seemingly good such as make onely a profession though we know nothing of the power of Religion in them To this I Answ 1. Will you with Anabaptists have the Church under the New Testament constitute onely with truely good and not at all with seemingly good this indeed is your frequently repeated assertion in this lecture But first 't is contrare to the expresse judgement of some of the most judicious and advised of your own side how often hath Mr. Hooker this that these of whom the Church is constitute may be seemingly good not savingly not really gilt not gold Saints in the judgement of charity though they be not inwardly sanctified 2. It contradicts himself in his additionall qualification which sometimes he inserteth as farre at least as men can judge Well then a Church Visible now in the dayes of the Gospel may be constitute of any who are truely good as far as men can judge but many such are but seemingly good and really bad for mans judgement cannot discern the power of Religion in the heart neither intuitively nor yet by discourse from outward effects infallibly but only probably cui judicio potest subesse falsum it may be deceived and the object of it is but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which seemeth but is not alwayes what it is judged to be 2. We forme not our objection so naked and waterishly as you make it there were wicked persons in these Churches therefore c. But take it thus and answer it then In these Churches at least severalls of them there were persons whose wayes were such that they could not positively be accounted so far as men could judge truely gracious such as God could bear witnes to as sealed for his by his holy Spirit and the Churches are not required to un-Church and Excommunicate any upon that account that they were not such as might be so accounted and judged of c. Ergo c. But this is not the onely objection we have against this inductive argument he may find some others before this Now to his answer section 15 1. Sayeth he à facto ad jus non valet argumentum because such things are therefore they ought to be will not hold Because bad men were in the Churches the generall state of which in such a time of the world John speaks of Rev. 11. 1 2. therefore they should be there will not follow for then why is John bid cast out that which is without and not measure it what is allowed to abide is rather the Index shewing what is the allowed and proper matter the true constitution of Church-state Answ Here are a heap of things to be noted 1. If that maxime hold good à facto ad jus non valet argumentum because such things are therefore they ought to be will not hold then Mr. Lockier your inductive argument for any thing alleadged in it falls to the ground without force for all that you have alledged in it is a mater of fact and therefore I may retort upon you thus Because these Churches did consist of persons truely good so far as men could judge which is the only thing you can alledge from what is said in the Epistles to them and yet proves not therefore they should consist of such only and no other will not follow 2. You wholly loose your Argument taken from them again if you grant but that de facto there were other persons in them then truely godly as far as men could judge at that time when the Epistles were written to them For unlesse you assert that at that time they were constitute of persons all such you alledge the Epistles to no purpose because the Epistles speaks to them with relation to that very time they were written in 3. It is rashlie and inconsideratlie said by Mr. Lockier without exception limitation or qualification especially he being now speaking of maters of Religion à facto ad jus non valet Argumentum why then let all Arguments which Orthodox Writers have brought from the practice of the Apostles and Primitive Churches registrate in Scripture to prove they ought de jure so to do as in the mater of sanctifying the first day of the Week as the Christian Sabbath and many others in other matters be casten as null If Mr. Lockier say this he shall gratifie much the Papists for their Doctrine of the necessity of unwritten traditions but shall be disclaimed in this by all Protestant Divines who give us sundry cases in matters of Religion wherein it is good and solide reasoning from facts and practises registrate in Scripture to duty so such persons did and therefore so ought we to do especially in matters of Church Government hath this way of reasoning place the Lord having left many things belonging thereunto only in examples of practises let the Reader see concerning this purpose the Authors of jus divinum of Church-Government part 1. cap. 4. from which we are to gather and take our rule Now amongst other rules belonging to this head this certainly is one what was the practice of Primitive Churches registrate in Scripture in maters of Religion of common concernment to the Churches in all ages and is not dissallowed nor dissapproven in them especially when many other things are reproved in them nor is against a generall precept otherwhere in Scripture such a practice hath the force of a rule and we may well reason ab hoc facto ad jus See Perkins Heb. 11. 6. pag. in fol. 29. col 1. A so they did therefore so may we lawfully But I assume these Primitive Churches admitted and retained members all of which were not truely Godly and Saints as far as men could judge and were not reproved for this even when they were reproved for other things done by them Nor can their be a generall precept shewn in the word contrary thereunto Ergo c. 4. What may seem to be alledged by him from Rev. 11. 2. as containing such a generall precept is sufficiently discussed before The intention and scope of that place is not to hold forth a rule concerning the ordering of the constitution of the Church but to foretell an event that was to come to passe upon the Church in time of Antichrists prevalencie that which is without signifieth not persons but the face outward state of the Visible Church and casting out is not un-Churching of persons but judicial giving up the outward state of the Visible Church to Antichrist and his followers and by measuring there is not meant regulating of the constitution of a Society but a typicall prediction of the straitnesse that Orthodox and Godly Worshippers were to be at that time redacted unto 5. But what meaneth Mr. Lockier when being about to infringe the objection brought against his induction of these Churches viz.
Christian Religion had also the inward work of gracious conversion and faith in their heart This had been contrary to truth for some of the converted Heathens no doubt had no more but the profession of Christianity the preaching of the Gospel being as a draw net that catches good fishes and bad together and the outward Kingdom of GOD as a field wherein are tares and wheat growing together Nor yet can it be said that Paul and Barnabas in that declaration meant that all and every one of these Gentiles they spake of were such viz. true heart-converts to their positive judgement and so far as men truely converted and very spirituall were able to discern This appears not out of the words of the Text for first I think the Apostle speaks of Conversion as including gracious heart-conversion in the verity of the thing or Object and not only in the charitative judgement of discerning men tho not restrictively Mr. Lockiers additament viz. According to what a Christian can discern of a Christian or in so far as men c. is his own and not the Texts yea I conceive 't is contrary to the intention of the Text because I no wayes doubt but the Apostles meant positively that there was amongst these Gentiles heart-conversion in the verity of the thing But that which Mr. Lockier sayes by his additament may be contradictorily opposite to that men may be accounted heart-converts in the charitable judgement of very discerning Christians and yet not be heart-converts indeed 2. Granting that to be the meaning which Mr. Lockier saith to be in his additament yet can any thing be alledged from the words that will import it must be understood universaliter de omnibus singulis i. e. universally of all and every one of these Gentiles and may not be understood as spoken only de multitudine communiter indefiâ—itè i. e. of the multitude of them yet forasmuch as Mr. Lockier hath not alledged much lesse proved the former hitherto he hath alledged nothing to his purpose in hand And yet although he hath both alledged and proven this much he had said but little to his purpose unlesse he could also prove that the Apostles in that declaration were speaking of these converted Gentiles with relation to stating in visible Church-membership which thing he onely supposeth but doth not so much as hint at a proof thereof from this Text. section 6 But go we on to consider his Arguments brought to prove his interpretation of Conversion here spoken of which yet he needed not prove for we have granted more of it then he craves that we may see if there be any thing therein making for his main purpose The 1. lyeth in these words Surely if the Brethren had apprehended no more in them i. e. the Gentiles of whom Paul and Barnabas spake viz. then a meer outside conversion they would have had little matter of great joy Answ 1. We say not that the apprehending of no more was the matter of this their great joy but will the Author say that unlesse they had apprehended more then outside conversion in all and every one of them which is a thing he must of necessity take along with him if he will say any thing to his purpose * For his minde is that these Gentiles are spoken of in relation and as matter of a visible Church his doctrin is that none other not one other no not in a whole Church are fit matter of a visible Church but such as are c. they would had little matter for great joy I think hee 'll be advised before he say so 2. Nor am I of the mind that outside conversion i. e. embracing of the Profession of the Gospel and Christian Religion is so litle a matter of joy to the people of God as the Author seems to make account Sure it could not but be matter of right great joy to the LORDS true people of the Jews for to see Japhet perswaded to dwell in the tents of Shem i. e. the Gentiles by embracing the profession of the Gospel added to the Common-wealth of Israel and fellowship of the Church of God And it shall be no small matter of joy to Gentile-Christians when they shall see the body of the Jews ingraffed again into the Church Even outward professing of and submitting to the Gospel is honourable to Christ in the world and so is spoken of in Scripture though it alone be not the full duty of men nor sufficient to save them section 7 I might ere I went on further note here that whereas the Author in the next words propounds the explaining of moe tearms then one of his Text for saith he let us take tearms as they ly and see how other Scriptures do explain them yet in the following discourse I find all runs upon one tearm viz. conversion or converted ones But to insist upon every such small thing is not worth the while Let us see what is said further upon that what these converted ones saith he were according to what Christian can discern of Christian is the thing to be inquired into pag. 3. Ans Nay not this only but two other things also ought to have been inquired into and made out 1. Supposing that true heart-conversion is understood here that the Apostles in their declaration affirmed this universally of all and every one of these Gentiles 2. That in declaring and affirming this they did speak with relation to their stating in Church-membership at least that the Historian Luke reports it in that relation Neither of which the Author proveth or so much as once undertaketh to prove so that what followeth tho granted makes little for the point he driveth at But we go on Paul and Barnabas who were master-builders and surely very seeing men that they might not make a meer report took of those converted ones with them were brought on by the Church We tell you as if they had said of such glad tydings touching the Gentiles but what they are see your selves here they are discourse with them see if they have not the same soul-complexion with your selves whether they have not received the same spirit of Adoption owning and experiencing the same grace of God which ye do Ans Here 's a pretty fiction or Poesie but nothing of Lukes Text yea but something quite contrair to it 1. The Author saith Paul and Barnabas that they might not make a meer report viz. touching the Gentiles conversion but might shew living present instances thereof took of those converted ones with them What hint can he give us from the Text for this it saith a farre other thing viz. first that they i. e. the Church of Antioch ordained some in joint commission for to go to Jerusalem about the question then in controversie and then that these CoÌ„missioners were brought on their way by the Church i. e. as Grotius exponeth it will aliquousque deducti à fidelium quibusdam i. e.
Gentiles converted to the Faith The Argument is clear and undenyable GOD the Searcher of hearts hath born witnesse to the Gentiles by giving to them the Holy Ghost as well as to the Circumcised Jews and without putting difference purifying their hearts through faith in JESUS CHRIST Preached by the Gospel alone without Circumcision and other Ceremoniall Performances Therefore it is his will that Circumcision c. bee not imposed upon them as not being necessary to Justification and Salvation This is the plaine and sole intention and drift of that Passage of Scripture But sure I am 't is to little or no purpose for Mr. Lockiers purpose For howsoever it be true that 't is clear from this Text that there was a work of effectuall saving grace amongst these Gentiles spoken of and I do agree with him this far that it were dangerous yea most clearly false and contradictory to the words of the Text to affirm that these expressions might not mean effectuall saving grace yet I say first that the Apostle Peter was not here speaking of this work of saving grace as the necessary qualification for constituting persons capable of Visible Church-membership 2. Albeit in these expressions spoken of the Gentiles there be not definitely a restriction to some only as M◠Lockier would seem to insinuate that we say yet the expressions are such as may be verified being understood of some only and not of all and every one because they are indefinitè Any Boy that hes learned the Rudiments of Logick knowes that there are enunciations particular which speaks of some of a kind definitely and enunciations universall which speaks of all and every one of a kind definitely and enunciations indefinitè which in their form speaks neither of some only nor of all and every one of a kind definitely but indefinitely of the kind and that such indefinite enunciations may be truely exponed either particularly of some only or universally of all and every one proratione materiae contingentis vel necessariae according as the nature of the things contingent or necessary leadeth us But now will the Author upon serious deliberation say that which he hes uttered here viz. that what the Apostle speaketh in the Text of the Gentiles indefinitly viz. that God had purified their hearts by believing must be understood universally of all and every one of them that were turned to Christianitie Nay I know he 'll salve the matter with his qualification according to what Christian can discern of Christian and so far as men c. But 1. This is an addition to the Text whereof there is not the least insinuation in the Text. 2. Yea the Text speaks clearly of such a purifying of hearts as is in veritate rei seu objecti i. e. indeed because it speaks of it in relation to the knowledge and Judgement of GOD the searcher of hearts whose Judgement is alwayes according to Truth But men esteemed to have hearts purified in the charitative judgement of men let them be the most discerning men may notwithstanding not have purifyed hearts indeed section 14 The Author having done with what we have hitherto been considering concludes and draws towards the Proposal of his Doctrine thus Having thus painfully and plainly laid the foundation by the Word and by a simple and sincere judgment thereupon without the least respect to any party or self-interest in the world as he knoweth to whom in this as in all my wayes I desire humbly to refer my self I build thereupon this doctrine c. pag. 7. To which It may be humbly conceived that the Author might have spared to speak of his painfulnesse and plainnesse c. and suffered the deed to speak alone for it self and other men to judge thereupon remembring that Let another man praise thee and not thine own mouth But to passe this grant that there has been some painfulnesse in the preceeding Discourse yet if therein there has been plainly or at all by the Word of God a foundation laid for the ensuing Doctrine I submit to be judged by any impartiall discerning man upon consideration of what hath been answered Thus I have done with the first Section wherein if I have been somewhat large yet I desire and hope the Reader will pardon it considering that the Discourse I have been examining is laid down as the foundation of the Doctrine following and that besides the Text sundry other Scriptures brought in to make the Text speak for it were to be considered SECTION II. Mr. Lockyers Doctrine pondered and the State of the Controversie between Us and the INDEPENDENT BRETHREN touching the necessary Qualification of Members of the VISIBLE CHURCH cleared section 1 MR. Lockiers determination touching the matter of a Visible Church is pag. 7. fine and pag. 8. propounded in these words The proper and allowed matter of a Visible Church now in the dayes of the Gospel is persons truly converted such as God who knoweth the hearts of all men can bear witnesse of as indeed sealed for his by his Holy Spirit thus far he hath in a different Character and then addeth it would seem by way of some explication I say this is the matter we ought now to take to raise again the Tabernacle of David and none other not one other no not in a whole Church so far as men truly converted and very spirituall are able to discern and judge section 2 First I desire humbly to know of the Author why he restricteth this Doctrine touching this point to the Visible Church now in the dayes of the Gospel For 1 I had ever thought it the received Doctrine of all Orthodox Reformed Divines that the Churches of the Old and of the New Test are of one and the same nature as to essentials and that the difference between them standeth in accidentals only 2. Why do many of his way-bring Arguments for this his Tenet touching the allowed matter of a Visible Church from Passages of the Old Test spoken in relation to the then Church 3. If the Visible Church in the dayes of the Old Test might have consisted of others as allowed matter then are described here which his restriction insinuateth i. e. of persons not truly converted c. then to borrow his Arguments brought afterward 1. Either Christ was not the Rock and foundation of that Church and that Church not a building being and bearing upon him as a superstruction or else then there might have been no Symmetrie but Antilogie and Antistasie no agreement but a fighting of the materials of the building with the foundation and one with another and yet the building might stand well enough such incongruous superstructions and unsuiteable to the foundation were good enough then 2. Either that Church was not the Church of the living God such as in which God lives dwels and walks or then God did live and dwell in dead persons who only make a Profession of Religion and then either the Church was
not a pillar and ground to bear up truth unto the world or dead persons who only made a Profession of Religion might have done that office well enough 3. Then either in the Church of God there was none at least there might have been a true Church offering and yet no pure offering no offering spiritualor then a pure offering i. e. service spirituall holy and acceptable unto God might have been offered by persons who only did professe Religion were dead stones having nothing of spirituality in them but meer formality and so hypocriticall and amongst the number of them that are most abominable Let the Author if he hold that difference intimated in his restriction between the Churches of the Old and New Testam extricate himself of these things which I am much deceived if he shall be able to do unlesse either he retract his restriction or otherwise shoar upon some Socinian and Anabaptistick Fancy concerning the ancient Church section 3 Secondly Let it be marked here that Mr. Lockier clearly asserteth that the necessary and essentiall qualification absolutely requisite to constitute persons matter or in a capacity to be Members of a Visible Church is true saving Grace known to God the searcher of hearts and that is such grace in the verity of the thing and not only in the judgment of charity Others in the Independent way have spoken more warily in this matter though indeed I confesse I do not see how considering their prosecution of the point and the Arguments they use in it they do not run into this same in the issue However it may hence appear it was not for nought that the Author said in his Epistle to the Reader That he has spoken with more plain dealing then some other of his Brethren who have wrote of this Subject section 4 But haply it may be said that he explaineth himself in the next words viz. so far as men converted are able to discern and judge Which seemeth to import a resolving of the matter into the judgement of charity Ans This seemeth not sufficiently to salve the mater for this additament seemeth to be brought in rather to expresse the mean whereby persons so qualified as is said before viz. truly converted c. are to be found out then to expresse any thing in the objective qualification of the mater of a visible Church And certainly the Arguments brought afterward by the Author to confirm his Thesis speak all for men godly in the truth of the thing as will appear when we come at them section 5 The third thing I would have marked in the Authors proposall of his Doctrine is this that the judges by whose estimation men are to passe as the qualified mater of a Visible Church are by him determined to be men truely converted and very spirituall All Writers of the Independent way have not I confesse come to my hand but of these I have seen I remember of none that saith this much so that it seemeth to be a new conception of his own touching which I humbly desire satisfaction in these particulars 1. By this when a person desireth to be admitted a member of a Church it followeth that his qualification is to be judged not by the estimation of the whole Church but of some speciall members thereof which is point-blank contrary to the Independent way of Government The consequence I prove 1. thus Either it must be said that all and every one of the Church are truely converted de facto or if that be not said this which we have said doth unavoidably follow but the former will not be undertaken by the Author because it is point-blank contrary to plain Scripture telling us that many are called but few chosen and this is confessed by such as are most peremptory for his way of Church constitution * Barrow discov false Church p. â—…0 Ainsworth Objection Ay but all are true Converts in the judgment of charity Answ Such explanation is not mentioned or hinted by the Author when he speaketh to this point of the Judges by whose estimation Church-mater is to passe 2. I prove the consequence thus Mr. Lockier speaketh of such men to be Judges as are not only truely converted but also very spirituall Now very spirituall importeth I conceive in plain English if not a superlative degree yet certainly somewhat above the meer positive to be very spirituall is more yea much more then simply to be really and truely spirituall So that either he must of necessity say that a Visible Church must consist of such only who are not only simply true converts but also much more far advanced Christians and so new born Babes bruised reeds and smoaking flax must be held out crushed and quenched or that which we said must follow Now I suppose yet further that most part of the Congregation be spirituall but in the positive degree and onely two or three or a few number in comparison be very spiritual certainly this may be by our Brethrens way of constituting a Church for they grant such as have any thing the least thing in truth of Christ appearing in them are not to be excluded then the resolution and judging of the whole businesse must be devolved upon these few Nay I must presse it yet further Albeit it may be granted that when a Church is now compleatly constitute in its integrality and organized with all its members it cannot be well supposed but there will be therein some such men very spirituall at least Rulers whom if so be they had not of themselves while they were yet a gathering yet it may well be supposed that while they are yet but a gathering all of them are but spirituall in the positive degree For what hinders but such a company of persons may come together to gather into a Church Now I pray what shall be done in this case if Church-mater in point of fitnesse must passe by the estimation of men more then positive in spiritualitie Must it be said in such a case that though they be all satisfied in conscience concerning the truth of one anothers conversion Yet they are not fit mater to make themselves a Church I would see semblance or shadow of reason for this Yea it appeareth contrary to sound reason because in homogeneall bodies such as a Church is by the Doctrine of our Brethren in the instance and period we are now speaking to what is sufficient to constitute a part is sufficient also to constitute the whole Therefore if Conversion and spiritualnesse in the positive degree be sufficient for one member of the Visible Church its sufficient also for the whole I mean considered yet as totum homogeneum The Author would do well to assay a clearing and extricating of these things upon his Principles section 6 The fourth thing to be considered is that the Author hath chosen an ambiguous term to be the subject of his thesis not distinguishing nor shewing in what sense he takes
it which is not a little fault in determining contraverted points while as he speaks thus allowed mater of the Visible Church For mater of a Visible Church may be said to be allowed in a double sense or relation viz. either in regard of what is incumbent to a man himself by way of duty before God or in regard of what is requisite in him by way of qualification in the outward Ecclesiastick Court whereupon the Church may and ought to proceed in admitting him to the externall communion of the Church I confesse that none are mater of a Visible Church allowed in the former sense or relation but such as are not only so far as men most spirituall can discern or judge but also in very deed true converts and beleevers It s a mans duty in professing Christianity and adjoyning himself to the Church of Christ to beleeve with his heart as he professeth with his mouth otherwise he is matter not approven not allowed of God But I beleeve its another thing to enquire what is mater of the Visible Church allowed in the latter sense and thinks that advised men among our Brethren of the Independent way will say the same in the generall Yet I trow it shall be found afterward that the strength and stream of our Authors Arguments runs in the former and so are little to the purpose of the Controversie between us and our Brethren touching the mater of the Visible Church section 7 To make way for a more clear discovery of this and to the effect we may in the whole ensueing disput know what we are doing and not fight in the dark Andabatarum more it is necessary before we proceed further to open up and bound the state of the controversie which Mr. Lockier hes not done I cannot tell upon what intention or if upon any design at all and not rather out of pure neglect or some other such thing If he say he was Preaching to people and not Disputing in the Schoole and that therefore it was not needfull nor becoming Scholastically to state a controversie I Answ Whether in Pulpit or Schoole his purpose was to draw his hearers of this Nation from a Doctrine which they had learned and professed before the world to a new way Sure ingenuous dealing would have required that the Doctrine of this Church which he intended to refute and to take them off should been once at least plainly and simply propounded and presented before them This he doth not all along but in effect speaks so indirectly as if we allowed all meer professours whatsoever to be members of the Visible Church Well what he hes not done we shall endeavour according to our weaknesse to do and shall deal more liberally with his side then he hes done with ours Now then let these considerations be premised section 8 1. Let it be considered that this controversie is not about the Members of the Mysticall Invisible Church or of the Church according to its inward state but of the Members of the Visible Church as such or of the Church according to its external state The Church Mysticall Invisible or according to its inward state is the societie of men effectually called unto saving communion with Christ to which doth belong in the intention and purpose of God all the promises of spirituall blessings pertaining to life and salvation The Church Visible and considered according to its externall state is the societie of men professing true Christian faith and Religion for communion in the outward exercises of the Worship and Ordinances of God Admission of members into the Church Invisible is the work of God by the operation of the Spirit in Effectuall Calling and ingraffing men into Christ Admission of members into the Church Visible and according to its externall state is committed to the Pastors and Rulers of the Church who being men and so not seeing the inward constitution and condition of hearts must look at things obvious to the senses in their administration of this work Whence one may be orderly and lawfully admitted a member of the Church Visible who is not a member of the Church Invisible And about this our adversaries I conceive at least such as are most sound and intelligent amongst them will make no controversie Further it is to be observed that the question and controversie between us and the Independent Brethren much differs from that which is debated between the Papists and the orthodox concerning Church-members The state of thâ— controversie with Papists which they and namely Bellarmine involve with many Sophismes is truely and really this as the judicious Ames hes well observed Bellar. Enerv. lib. 2. de Ecclesia cap. 1. thesi 10 others have not so well considered whether the whole multitude of professours comprehending as well unregenerate hypocrites and reprobats as true elect believers be that Church of Christ to which properly doth belong all these excellent things spoken of the Church in Scripture viz. that it is redeemed by Christ the Body of Christ the Spouse of Christ quickened acted and led by tâ—e Holy Spirit partakers of all the spirituall blessings so that the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it Albeit Papists dare not state the question in these terms yet the affirmative thereof is the thing they intend that they might obtain a Catholick Visible Church at all times illustriously visible infallible and unfailable and that there Romane is it But it is a far other matter that is debated between us and our present adversaries viz. what persons are to be admitted and accounted to belong to the Church Visible according to its outward state So that these who shall make use of Arguments used by Orthodox Writers in shewing that not wicked hypocrites and reprobates but only the elect true beleevers are members of Christs Church against us for affirming that all who outwardly do seriously professe the Christian faith are to be admitted and accounted members of the Visible Church they are clearly in a great mistake and impertinency section 9 2. Consider we are to distinguish Visible Church-membership in actu primo and in actu secundo I must crave leave to use these terms and shall explain what I mean by them By the actus primus of Church-membership I mean such a state and condition of a person as makes that now he is not to be reckoned and looked upon by the Church Pastors or Professours as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 i. e. without but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not as a stranger and alien but as a Brother 1 Cor. 5. 11 12. And consequently may and ought to be overseen cared for and fed by the Pastours and Rulers of the Church as a part of the flock and by private professours dealt with in duties of Christian fellowship according to their and his capacitie The actus secundus of Visible Church-membership is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 fruitio i. e. the fruition and actuall use of Church priviledges ordinancâ—
and triall as is a sufficient ground whereupon the Church may and ought to esteem and judge the person truly gracious regenerate and endued with true saving faith and repentance in a word a true inward Saint or if somewhat else section 13 As for the Tenet of the Independent Brethren all of them speak not the same way Mr. Hooker Survey part 1. c. 2. pag. 20 21. confesseth that the expressions of some of his Brethren as well as those of the Separation are somewhat narrow at the first sight and seem to require exactnesse of the highest strain and so speaks for a candide interpretation of them to wit that when such Phrases of theirs occurre upon this Subject as these Onely the Saints faithfull called and sanctified are to be members of the Congregation such a construction as this be put upon these words persons visibly externally such to the judgement of charity not alwayes really and internally such by the powerfull impression of Gods free grace Certainly some of them have so roundly affirmed that none should be acknowledged members of the visible Church but such as are true internall Saints that hardly can such a construction be put upon their words See D. Holmes and Mr. Barclets expressions set down by Daniel Cawdry in his Schem of contradictions in the Independent way n. 17. And Mr. Lockiers expressions of this purpose along his Lecture can as hardly suffer such a construction Others of them indeed have spoken more warily and in a lower strain as Mr. Hooker himself stating the Question p. 1. pag. 15. tells us persons who may be are hypocrites inwardly yet if their conversations and expressions be such that we cannot but conclude in charity there may be and is some spirituall good in them we say and hope and are bound to conceive they are Saints these are fit mater of a Visible Church Only it is to be observed that it cannot be well discerned by his words whether he meaneth a * By a positive judgement wee meane the elicting of an act of the understanding whereby we affirme the man to be such and by a negative judgement the abstaining from affirmation of the contrarie negative judgment of charity or a positive his words as to this are so wavering and fluctuating and that very remarkably pag. 14. end and 15. begin he speaketh of the mater thus So far as rationall charity directed by rule from the Word a man can not but conclude that there may be some seeds of some spiritual work of grace in the heart Here if we look at these words A man can not but conclude one would think that a positive judgement were intended for that expression doth import a necessity of elicting positively an act of judgement affirming of the subject that form touching which the Question is But the next word which is but a may be nothing being more said there before he concludeth the description of Visible Saints seemeth to cast down that and to import lesse Then a little after he expresseth clearly a positive judgement we say and hope and are bound to conceive they are Saints Again in propounding the state of the Question the mater is involved in a cloud We cannot conclude but in charity there may be and is some spirituall good in them c. If we look at that we cannot conclude but c. one would think only a negative judgment were intended for these words import no more but a necessity of abstaining from an act of judgment whereby the form in Question is denyed of the subject or the contrair thereunto affirmed But when it is added there may be and is c this seems to speak for a positive Before it was we cannot but conclude and therewith there may be only Now it is we cannot conclude but and herewith there may be and is I verily think the godly man has been at a puzzle in his conceptions about the mater Of all the Brethren of the Independent way whose Writings I have had occasion to see Mr. Nortoun in his Answer to Gulliel Apoll. his Questions are most mâ—derate and come nearest to the truth In many particulars he cometh below that which is required by most part of all others of that way particularly in that expresly he asserteth that it is not a positive judgement but only negative that we are to have of the grace of Church-members c. 1. that we are not positively to judge ill of them section 14 But not to insist on these differences this in generall is their common Tenet that only such can be taken to be members of the Visible Church whether as foundationalls at the first gathering of the Church or as additionalls by admission into fellowship of the Church as may and ought to be accompted in the judgement of charity true heart-beleevers having reall communion with Christ and that upon sufficient evidences given thereof 1. By knowledge in the Fundamentall points of Religion and such other as are requisite and necessary to be known for leading a life without scandal 2. An experimentall work of Grace upon their hearts of Repentance towards God and Faith in the LORD JESUS CHRIST 3. A conversation not only without scandall and offence before men indeed Norton goeth no further but also without neglect of any known duty and commission of any known ill concerning which they must be a good space tryed first in a way privat if the Church be a gathering by one another mutually untill they be mutually satisfied in the judgement of charity touching the truth of the grace of each other If it be in the admission of additionall members the triall is first by the Ruling Elder or Elders both by way of diligent enquiry for information from others and by way of conference with and examination of the parties themselves Then all things being clear and satisfactory to the Elder the person being propounded to the Church the people also must as opportunity may serve them try their spirituall condition and that both wayes too If these find no realitie of satisfaction they present their dissatisfaction to the Elder or Elders which stayes the proceeding for the present But if satisfaction hath been gotten by Elders and People in this privat way then the persons to be admitted must further every one after another if it be at the first gathering of the Church make first a publick confession of their knowledge and faith in the grounds of Religion then a declaration of the experimentall work of their effectuall vocation 1. In Repentance from dead works 2. In their unfeigned faith towards the Lord Jesus and then must produce if required a testimony of their blamelesse conversation For a testimony to my faithfulnesse in this representation of their Doctrine I refer the Reader to these on the Margent * Hookers Survey p. 1. c. 2. pag. 14 15 24 25. p. 3. cap. 3. pag. 4 â— Brief Narrat of the pract of the Churches of N. E. pa.
1 2 8 9. Mr. Cottons way cap. 3. sect 2. pag. 54 55. sect 3. pag. 56 57 58. So in a word their Doctrine in this point is that none are to be received members into externall fellowship of the Visible Church but such as are already true heart-converts indued with saving grace and having reall internall fellowship with Christ in the judgement of charity grounded upon such triall and evidences as we have heard section 15 As for our judgement in the controversie I mean of the Church of Scotland at which the adversaries especially this with whom we have to do mainly hath an eye Albeit we know no Protestant Church in the world differing from us in this but the Independents scarcely shall you find any of our adversaries directly make a proposall of it what it is but for the most part as they give intimations thereof here and there would bear men in hand that we do allow any whosoever professe the Christian faith although their lives and conversations were never so wicked and prophane to be fit matter and members of the Visible Church Which is I must say much want of ingenuitie in them and great injurie done to us as will appear shortly So Mr. Lockier along this Peece intimating our Doctrine speaks alwayes of persons meerly professing the things of God But I wonder much how that did fall from the Pen of Reverend Mr. Hooker speaking of our judgement Surv. p. 1. c. 2. pag. 20. The pinch of the difference lyeth in this whether such as walk in a way of prophanenesse or remain pertinaciously obstinate in some wickednesse though otherwayes professing and practising the things of the Gospel have any allowance from Christ or may be accounted fit mater to constitute a Church this is that which is controverted and should have been evicted by Argument he is speaking to Mr. Rutherfurd Good Mr. Hooker where did you ever read such an assertion as this in Mr. Rutherfurd or any of ours I need not stay upon vindicating Mr. Rutherfurd in this he will do it ere long himself I shall only plainly propound our Judgment upon the Question in these two Conclusions section 16 1. Conclus True heart conversion regeneration sanctificatiâ—… inward saving grace in reality of existence or conceived at 〈…〉 to be in the judgement of charitie is not requisite as the qualification necessary in the Ecclesiastick Court in order to admitting persons to be members of the Visible Church Or thus to the same purpose it is not necessary nor requisite to the effect that persons be accounted fit mater of the Visible Church that they be such as upon tryall and approven evidences may and ought to be conceived in the judgement of charity by the Church already inwardly regenerate sanctified taken into reall fellowship with Christ And therefore we judge it altogether unwarrantable to put such as are desirous of the externall fellowship of the Visible Church to such tryalls touching the work of saving grace in their hearts in order to admitting into Church-fellowship and as antecedently necessary thereunto as is tanght and practised by Independents and set down summarly here a little before section 17 2. Conclus A serious sober outward profession of the faith and true Christian Religion together with a serious profession of forsaking former sinfull courses if the person be one coming out of heathenisme or some false Religion or an outward conversation free of scandall at least accompanied with obstinacy if he hath been a Christian in Profession before and a serious Profession of subjection unto the Ordinances of Christ A serious profession of these things I say as such considered abstractly abstractione simplici from the work of inward saving grace and heart-conversion by true Repentance and Faith is sufficient qualification in the Ecclesiastick Court to constitute a person fit mater to be received as a member of the Visible Church and accounted 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 i. e. amongst these that are within If it be asked what I mean by a serious profession I Ans Such a profession as hath in it at least a morall sincerity as practick Divines are wont to distinguish tho haply not alwayes a supernaturall sinceritie i. e. that I may speak more plainly which is not openly and discernably simulate histrionick scenicall and hypocriticall in that hypocrisie which is grosse but all circumstances being considered by which ingenuity is estimate amongst men giving credit one to another there appears no reason why the man may not and ought not to be esteemed as to the mater to think and purpose as he speaketh from whatsoever habituall principle it proceedeth whether viz. of saving grace and faith or of faith historicall and conviction wroâ—… by some common operation of the Spirit A man that hath such a profession as this and desireth Church-communion I say the Church ought to receive him as a member And albeit I deny not but where there is just or probable ground of suspition that the profession hath simulation and fraudulent dealing under it as in one new come from a hereticall Reâ—igion or who has been before a persecutor of the faith and professours thereof there may be a delay in prudencie and time taken to try and prove if he dealeth seriously and ingenuously but that tryall must not be to cognosce upon the truth of the work of saving grace in the heart Pastours indeed ought wisely and diligently try and acquaint themselves as far as they can with the spirituall state of all the members of their flock that they may the better know to divide the Word of God aright giving to every one their suitable portion that beginners may be promoved in the grace of Christ and such as are yet in a naturall state may be awakened to slee from the wrath to come But I utterly deny that such a tryall of persons touching the truth of the work of grace in their hearts is antecedently and in order to their admission necessary and in duty incumbent to the Church that is to admit them section 18 Having thus stated the Question and bounded the differences about it it would follow that we should in the next place bring Arguments to confirm what we hold for truth and to refute the contrary Which method we would have followed were we not upon the examination of a particular Peece of an adversary whose method we resolve to trace step for step Therefore proceeds now to consider his Arguments what force they have to confirm his or infringe our Doctrine Afterward having considered what Objections he brings against himself as ours and his answers to the same we shall adde some such other Arguments as may be satisfactory to Readers and the Author may if he think fit take to his consideration SECTION III. Mr. Lockyers first Classe of Arguments viz. Texts of SCRIPTURE Act. 9. 26. Act. 2. 47. Heb. 3. 5 6. brought as directly holding forth his Doctrine answered section 1 HIs Arguments are of four
did apostatize much and so forsook their assemblings and so their exhorting one another with all these means of grace and life which God hath instituted in this new house and so indeed grew worse and worse till at last they came as the rest of the Jewish Churches to nothing As long saith the Apostle as ye hold fast the practice and power of what you profess so long you are a Church but when you let go this you unchurch your selves and should it be persued upon you you should be thrown out as unhallowed mater but if others which should do it will not do it the Master himself who is faithfull will do it He wil cast such a Church wholly off which thus suffer his institution to be corrupted and so indeed he did write Loammi upon the first Churches quickly after the Apostles time for this thing section 7 Ans If this be not to force Scripture and make it speak what men please I know not what else is Let 's first mark some groundlesse Assertions and then we shall come to the main point of our Answer 1. I wonder at that rash assertion in the close of this and so indeed did he write Loammi upon the first Churches quickly after the Apostles time for this thing What and were the first Churches so soon casten off by Goâ— as no Churches What divine warrant is brought for this Assertion Sir produce the Bill of Divorcement given to them from the Lord. And was there never a Church since untill they were erected of the new Independent frame and model Were all the Christian Churches in Asia Africk and Europe in the times of the four famous Generall Counsels the first whereof was about three hundred years after the Apostles time now no Churches at all Here indeed look out the Donatists ubi cubas in meridie especially if we 'll consider upon what account the Author unchurches them because forsooth they admitted members into their fellowship which were not true Converts partakers of the sure mercies of David c. this is very Donatism in grain 2. The Author supposeth that the Apostle here is speaking to a Church of the Jews i. e. to one particular Congregation distinct from all the rest of the Jewish Churches This is but a bare Assertion without any proof or semblance of proof joined with it We know that some of the Learned Interpreters take this Epistle to have been written not to any particular Church or Congregation but to the whole multitude of the Jews professing Christian Religion scattered abroad through the world as were the Epistles of James and Peter and have for them an argument not improbable from that 2. Epist of Peter c. 3. v. 15. 'T is true that others think otherwayes upon consideration of what we read Heb. 13. 19. where the divine Author desires them he writes to to pray for him that he might be restored the sooner to them which seemeth to import a more limited compasse then the whole dispersion But granting this that it was not written to all the Jews why might it not be written to all the Christian Jews that were in Palestina and Judaea Most part Interpreters take it so but that it was written to one single Congregation of the Jews as Mr. Lockier would have it who will believe upon his bare word 3. He seems to suppose a clear untruth of these to whom the Apostle speaketh viz. that they did apostatize much forsook their Assemblies their mutuall exhorting with all the means of grace and life Indeed the Apostle warneth them to take heed of these things and speaks of some that did so but as for them he writeth unto he layeth no such thing to their charge as done by them but giveth testimony to the contrair c. 6. v. 9 10. cap. 10. v. 32 33 34 39. 4. The maine mistake groundlesse supposition here is this that when the Apostle saith whose house ye are if ye hold fast c. he meaneth this of an outward Visible Church-state So long saith he as ye hold fast c. so long ye are a Church he meaneth a stated Visible Church but when you let go c. you un-Church your selves c. And so as we see will have the words to involve a threatning of losing that visible Church-state upon failing of performance of that which is urged viz. holding fast the confidence c. contrary to the current of all Orthodox Interpreters * See Pareus Hyper. others in Morlorâ—t Excellent is Mr. Dav. Dickson a man of exercised senses in the Word of God his opening of these words N. 3. He the Apostle addeth a condition if we hold fast c. i. e. If we continue stedfast inward ly gripping the promised glory by hopâ— outwardly avowing by confession CHRISTS Truth Whereby he neither importeth the possibilitie of finall apostacy of the Saints nor mindeth to weaken the confidence of Believers more then he doubteth of his own perseverance or mindeth to weaken his own faith but writing to the number of the visible Church he putteth a difference between true believers who do indeed persevere and time-servers who do not persevâ—re to whom he doth not grant for the present the priviledge of being the house of God And then he hath this 2d. Doct. such as shall make defection finall are not a part of Gods house for the present howsoever they be esteemed I believe any judicious Reader will see this Interpretation somewhat more genuine then that of Mr. Lockiers who expone that whose house ye are of the state of grace and spirituall communion with Christ proper to the Mysticall Invisible Church in regard of which Christ dwells in the heart by faith and consequently conceive not the context of the verse to import a turning of them out of one state which now they were in into another estate upon non-performance of that duty which is required But to intimate that the non-performance thereof would discover that they were not in that state which they professed themselves and seemed to others to be in And I prove that it is to be Interpreted thus and not as Mr. Lockier will have it The Apostle meaneth the same here whose house ye are c. which he saith v. 14. We are partakers of Christ if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence c. So Interpreters agree that one and the same thing is said in both verses and the very purpose it self evidenceth so much But now is partaking of Christ nothing else but to be in a Visible Church state Yea for confirmation let it be observed that the Apostle saith not whose house ye are but we are so that he speaks of some what under the metaphor of house which he supposeth common to him and them together What was this Visible Church-member-ship of a certain we are not told where residing particular congregation of Jewes Mr. Lockier hes not heeded this or has purposely passed it over 5.
implyes a mans own personall experience of things 2. We say the Apostle in these titles of beloved of God Saints Beleevers meaneth true saving grace truely existing and not in the judgement of charity only But speaketh there not of all the Romanes universaliter distributivè as we say all men are sinners but communiter collectivè confusè i. e. in common collectively and confusedly because undoubtedly saving grace was amongst them and he could not take upon him to determine whether moe or fewer of them were endued with it and as it seems knew nothing to the contrary of any of them particularly but they might be such Thus verily I think the Apostles writing to whole Churches and calling them generally by the name of Saints faithfull c. may well be understood and no other thing can be demonstrate of their meaning Take herewith the judgement of the Learned Commentators on the place all of which do unanimously determine that these titles of Saints faithfull and the like are given by the Apostles to the Churches partly in respect of the end of their calling and the duty of every one in the Church viz. that the end of their calling and their duty is to be such and partly by a denomination taken à parte potiori from the better part because there were true reall Saints and beleevers amongst them And I think it is a worthy and solide consideration which my worthy Collegue in the Ministry and my Reverend Superior in the Colledge I live in hath in his due right of Presbytery pag. 259. in answer to Mr. Cotton upon this same Question and Argument the styles given to the Church of Corinth are too high to be given to hypocrites such as many of Mr. Lockiers truely godly so far as men can judge may be and often are but these styles are not given to that Church precisely as Visible and as a professing Church but as an Invisible and true Church of Beleevers He Writeth to a Visible Church but he doth not speak of them alwayes as a Visible Church but as of an Invisible when he calleth them Temples of the Holy Ghost c. section 4 What we have said ro his alledgeance concerning the Church of Rome is applicable to what is said to the most part of the rest so that we shall not insist much on them Only a word or two of some of them And 1. For the Corinthians after he hath set down what is spoken to them chap. 1. vers 2 4 5 6 7 8. and chap. 4. 15. he subjoyneth persons having such grace in them as shall be confirmed to the end as keepeth them waiting to the coming of the Lord Jesus as are the comfortable seals of a faithfull Ministry that all this should signifie but an outward Profession or to say that this Church should constitute and Congregate together upon any other account but as there was the true grace of God evident as far as men could judge I cannot indeed see Answ 1. Let it be marked how in citing the place chap. 4 15. he maketh an addition to the Text for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you all this all is put in as the Apostles word when as in the Text there is no more but I have begotten you This is a gross foule slip I will not say it hath been done out of designe may be it hes been done inconsiderately without present turning over to the place however adding to the Word of God is a dangerous practice 2. As for that to say that this Church did constitute and gather upon another account c. we have noted on it sufficiently before I adde now this by what Mr. Lockier saith here and indeed by the Doctrine of all the Independent Brethren of his way in this mater of the constitution of the Visible Church it appeareth that their conception about the order of gathering the Visible Church by the Apostles was this that men being first turned to the Profession of Christian Religion there was a tryall made of their evidences of true inward saving grace and such as evidences satisfactory of this were found in these were gathered in and the rest casten by which I dare say is a meer fiction of which not the least vestige can be shown in Scripture and never man dreamed of untill these sad times broodie of many new fancies under the name of new lights 3. I confesse persons having such grace in them as shall be confirmed to the end as keeps them waiting for the coming of Christ as are the comfortable seals of a faithfull Ministry are not outward Professours only but are reall Saints and Elect and thence I conclude it cannot be understood universally of all and every one of the Visible Church of Corinth Will he say that all and every one were reall Saints Elect to be confirmed unto the end and so eternally saved if he say yes in Pauls judgement so far as he could judge upon evidences of true grace I say 1. That is an addition to the Text Paul saith simply he shall confirm you unto the end c. not so far as I can judge he shall confirm you Yea 2. It enervats the comfort held forth by the Apostle to them he speaks to for it imports no more upon the mater but this possibly ye may be confirmed to the end and so when all is done ye may be possibly not confirmed to the end mans judgement can go no further and is contrary to the strain of all the Orthodox writing against the Remonstraints in the Article of perseverance who understand the place of Saints and the Lords effectuall gracious preserving them in veritate rei and so make use of the place and presse it against the Remonstrants But let Mr. Lockier rid himself here if he will have Paul to speak thus of all and every one of the Visible Church of Corinth either he must conceive it spoken only with relation to the state of that Church as its first up-setting or also in relation to what it was at the present time of the Writing of this Epistle The former cannot be said because it s most evident all along that Passage Chap. 1. he is speaking of it as still at the time of his writing standing in that condition he expresseth in his words albeit some of the Verbs be used in the preterit perfect tense no man can deny this who hath any judgement If he say the latter the very Epistle it self will confute it wherein to wit so grosse wickednesses and impieties are discovered to have been amongst them and laid to their charge schismes contentious suits of Law fornications communion and fellowship at Idolatrous Tables drunkennesse at the Sacrament of the Lords Supper deniall of the Resurrection Will any man say that the Apostle knowing such things to be amongst them speaks of all and every one of them as reall inward Saints as far as men can judge section 5 For the
fairer shew of an argument even as it is meet for me to think so of you all because I have you in my heart in as much as both in my bonds and in defence and confirmation of the Gospel ye all are partakers of my grace Here indeed I acknowledge is a judgment of charity passed upon them all at Philippi as truely gracious and such as God would perfect his Work in and thinks not that it can be exponed so as to be understood only of that whole Church collectively for as it is well marked by judicious Amesius on the place now cited the Apostle in this v. putteth in the Universall particle All which he hath not in the former wherein he expresseth a certain assured judgement of faith 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 being perswaded of this very thing of perseverance of these he speaks of and therefore that being spoken indefinitely this must be understood universally of all and every one of them it is very evident that in the following vers where that particle is put in though the act of judgement be lesse intensive but a judgement of charity a hoping and probable estimation and indeed the word is changed it is here 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 yet the object is of larger extension and must be understood of them universally Then will you say do you not yeeld the point in contraversie to Mr. Lockier Answ No wayes 1. Remember what we said â—…e main point which Mr. Lockier should have proven to make out his generall Doctrine or Thesis was that these particular Churches did gather that is receive in persons to their visible society formally upon this account and no otherwise that they were truely Godly so far as men could judge or as others say in the judgement of charity But all that I grant here of the Church of Philippi is that they were all such de facto quoad eventum and no more can be proven from the Text. 2. Though this much be granted of this Church yet his induction is not made out no not as to this much Because neither hath he proven nor can be proven so much of the rest of the Churches which he named Yea this is only the Church mentioned in the Epistles that hath so high and generall commendation as this except it be that there is an hint of the like title given to the Thessalonians 1 Thess 5. v. 5. Ye are all the Children of the light Yet this expression is much different from that spoken of the Philippians and may well suffer that exposition given of it by the Learned Nether-Dutch Interpreters in their notes ye are all namely all who beleeve in Christ And indeed it is not likely he should be Interpreted to speak so of all and every one of the members of that Church seeing he not only intimateth in both the Epistles but in the second positively affirmeth that he heard there were among â—hem some that walked disorderly working not at all but busie bodies Obj But he bids them not keep company with them that they may be ashamed i. e. as some expone it Excommunicate and cast them out of the Church Ans He requires not this to be done to them but in case of obstinacy Now I suppose they had not proven obstinate but left that disorderly walking in taking themselves to work for their living in some calling so they would escaped the infliction of that censure but would that been ground sufficient presently to hold such who had been so walking before for truely gracious so far as men can judge I doubt much if any man will assert it section 12 Mr. Lockier slips the Colossians in the proof of his induction but what might been alledged of it is alike with what was cited for the Ephesians For the Churches of the Jews first concerning that at Jerusalem he referreth back to what he hath said already out of the Epistle to the Hebrews and we refer the Reader to what we answered thereunto Next for them altogether he citeth 1 Pet. 1 2 3. 1 Pet. 5. 13. with Gal. 1. 22. And then to the 1 Thess 2. 13 14. and then addeth the Church of the Jews were such Professors as indured persecution sharp tryalls for the truth and were eminently exemplary to the World this way as indeed Profession did then generally expose unto though now not and so voluntary Profession there signified a great deale more than the forced Profession of the Gospel which now we make under such powers as call for and countenance these things doth which should be observed and allowed by them which compare Profession then with Profession now if they dealt equally in this Controversie Ans 1. The Apostle Peter clearly writeth to the Elect truely regenerated who have obtained the like precious faith with himself are kept by the power of God to salvation rejoiced in the hope thereof though they had not seen Christ yet loved him beleeving on him rejoiced with joy unspeakable and full of glory already in the first fruits and undoubted interest received the end of their faith the salvation of their souls What Are these things that use to be given or attributed to hypocrites such as Mr. Lockiers Visible Saints may be and that in such a positive way Or were there never a hypocrite in these Visible Churches of the Jews 2. The place of the Thessalonians speaks of the Churches in Iudaea indefinitely and collectively not universally saith not that all and every one of them endured such persecution and trialls again suppose they did so after they were Church members this is nothing to the point in hand the Question is upon what account they were taken in It seemeth he saw this and therefore subjoyneth that Profession did then generally expose unto such trialls But undertaking of a profession of ReligioÌ„ exposing to trials if there be not actuall assaulting is no sufficient ground or evidence positively to hold a man truely gracious so far as men can judge 3. Such wonders and signes as the Gospel was accompanied with then may be as forcible to draw men without change of heart unto the profession of it as we see in Simon Magus as a Magistrats call and countenancing of it when there is no such miracles and signes and therefore there is not such inequality between profession then and now nor such inequall dealing in comparing the one profession with the other as Mr. Lockier imagines section 13 After this induction neither full in the enumeration for there be other Churches in the New Test mentioned beside these as the Churches of Asia beside Ephesus Rev. 2. and 3. which I think he did forbear to bring in his induction because their case would spoken too clear against his undertaking nor made good in the particulars as to the thing affirmed of them he formeth an objection at his own pleasure against himself and assayes to answer it Let us consider both section 14 If it be objected sayeth he that
that there were wicked persons in them and saying that because bad men were in the Churches it doth not follow therefore they should be in them he casteth in that the generall estate of which in such a time of the World John speaketh Rev. 11. 1 2. what meaneth he I say by such a time of the World wherein the generall state of the Churches were such if he mean that time wherein the Epistles were written to the Churches 1. That passage of the Revelation is impertinently alledged for be the meaning of it what it will it speaks in relation to another time long afterward to come 2. It is certain 't is the alledgeance in his own induction that these Epistles importe that then they were all constitute of truely good ones so far as men could judge If he mean another time then that he speaks this as impertinently for the objection speaks of these Churches in relation to the time when the Epistles were written to them 2ly Saith he in his answer Churches may be negligent and not so strict to their rule to examine and prove the grace of God in such as offer to joyn themselves as the Church of Jerusalem did if Churches do not mind diligently their rule they may have evil persons among them enough and yet not be able to maintain that it should be so 't is like the Asian Churches and most of the first quickly after the Apostles time grew faulty in this kind Ans 1. Reader see here pretty Logick Mr. Lockier in his induction undertook to prove and conclude a rule from the examples of these particular Churches that because these particular Churches were constitute of persons truely good therefore all Churches ought to be constitute only of such persons it is objected there were many other persons then such in these Churches and now he answereth Churches he must apply it to these Churches else he is extraâ—oleas may be negligent and not so strict to their rule is not this a running in a round These Churches were constitute of such members Ergo so ought all Churches generally to be if they were constitute of any other it was because they were not strict to their rule i. e. in plain Language because they were not constitute as Churches ought to be 2. But let go this and the inductive Argument for it is clearly quite here and refuge had to the generall rule I say where is that rule of examining and proving the grace of God in such as offer themselves to joyn that they were not so strict to as they should And where have we an instance of the Church of Jerusalems greater strictnesse to that rule then these other Churches Thus to set down naked assertions is it not to despise hearers and Readers 3. To what purpose do ye speak of the Churches of Asia and other first Churches their pâ—actice after the Apostles time The objection speaks of these Churches even as they were when the Apostles were living and did write to them these Epistles out of which you labour to instruct your induction of them 3ly Or Churches saith he though very diligent and duely strict in this mater yet are not infallible and therefore hypocrits may deceive a Church for a time and so get in where they have no right to be the Apostle Jude doth confesse so much v. 4. not only persons may thus creep into the Church but also into office and still escape the first judgement made upon them by the Churches of which they are The Apostle doth intimate this to Timothy lay hands suddenly on no man and his charge on this may make a man tremble 1 Tim. 5. 21 22. We are as appears by this compared with other Scriptures to use all care as much as in us lyeth to prevent by the first judgement of the Church all that are not godly from coming to a state to which they are not approved by God but if men by subtilty creep in where they should not be they are to be cast out by the after judgement of the Church which is Excommunication when it doth evidently appear that they are hypocrites though not drunkards and such kind of bodily-sinners which is far lesse simply considered then hypocrisie which after-judgement is an Ordinance to cleanse the house of God and keep it pure And doth strongly confirme the point I am on that the mater of the Visible Church should be reall Saints Ans 1. All this is just nothing to the purpose in hand Mr. Lockier to prove his generall Doctrine that a Church Visible ought to be constitute in its matter of such as are truely Godly at least so far as men can judge had undertaken to shew by induction that these particular Churches were constitute of persons all such It was objected that they had in them some others Now here he tells us in answer that Churches not being infallible may be deceived and consequently so might thir be in taking in such as ought not to be within Once granting that it was so in these Churches hes he not quite again his alledgeance concerning them in his inductive Argument and taken him to the generall rule which was the thing he undertook to prove and but begs the thing in Question But to the mater in this branch of the Answer Then 2. When he saith hypocrites have no right to be in the Church or as afterward should not be there if the meaning were that men though they make a profession of Religion yet continuing hypocrites and gracelesse in their hearts do sin in adjoyning themselves to the Visible Church and that they have no right in foro interiori this we should not deny but if his meaning be that no hypocrits have a jus Ecclesiasticum and in foro exteriori to be in the Visible Church we deny it and he shall never be able to prove it 3. 'T is true that Jude saith that such men creept in unawars into the fellowship of the Church who afterward kythed to be such as I shall not deny they ought to have been casten out But Jude saith not that these when they made a Profession of Religion and did not vent such abominations had no jus Ecclesiasticum to be admitted by the Church into their fellowship 4. All that Mr. Lockier here bringeth in concerning admitting persons into Offices in the Church is idly and impertinently alledged to the point in hand We acknowledge that none ought to be put in such Offices but such as give evidences of all manner of godly conversation We have an expresse and full rule for this 1 Tim. 3. And hands ought not to be laid upon any man without a foregoing tryall and proofe of these things But where will ye shew us in all the Scripture from the one end to the other such a rule requiring such qualifications in persons and such a tryall of them before and in relation to their admission into the fellowship of the Visible Church And
to be under Pastorall care and the Ministry of the Word If he could shew us this either in precept or approved practice we should soon yeeld and be at an end of this controverâ—…e But this he cannot nor ever will be able to shew and therefore the reasoning from the care and acuracy to be used in trying persons who are already in the Church in relation to admitting them to places of office unto admission of persons into the society of the Visible Church is unreasonable 5. When he saith that men are to be cast out by Excommunication when it doth evidently appear that they are hypocrites though not drunkards c. I desire 1. That it may be observed that an hypocrite may be taken in a double sense First for such an one as grossely and knowingly counterfeits a Profession of Christianity and so indeed is nothing else but an histrionicall stage-professor Secondly more largly for any that hath a profession of Christianity wherein may be he is morally serious but hath not within a Principle of true supernaturall saving grace Such are all unregenerate persons in the Church such an one was that young Man in the Gospel whom our Lord is said to have loved and the Lawyer of whom he said thou art not far from the Kingdome of Heaven Now if we speak of hypocrites in the former sense if men appear to be such I shall confesse that if they have been within they are to be cast out by Excommunication yet in the order that Christ hath prescribed after due admonition and evidence of obstinacy and incorrigiblenesse in the evill and of this I shall say more then Mr. Lockier viz. that it is far greater not only then drunkennesse and other such bodily sins simplie in genere peccati in the nature of sin But if it evidently appear also in genere scandali in the nature of scandall which is the ground and consideration upon which censure proceedeth because it is a very mocking of God in the highest degree But if we speak of hypocrites in the latter sense We deny utterly that every man appearing to be such is to be Excommunicated and casten out of the Societie of the Visible Church If a man professe seriouslie Religion submitting himself to Ordinances though there were appearance yea though it were revealed by God that yet he were not Regenerate and indued with true supernaturall Grace I say such an one were not to be excommunicate Let Mr. Lockier or any for him shew a warrand of Scripture for Excommunicating a man for non-regeneration The Doctrine of all Orthodox Divines hither till concerning the object of Excommunication and that grounded upon the Word of God is that which is shortly expressed by the Learned and Reverend Professours of Leyden Synop. pur theol Objectum circa quod exercetur haec Disciplina Ecclesiastica sunt illi qui fratres nominantur causa verò est vita prava vel Doctrina perversa nec ideo statim ubi quis frater nominatus in hujusmodi scandala incidit a corpore Ecclesiae excludi debet quemadmodum quibusdam Anabaptistis in usu est Sed post privatas demum publicas Ecclesiae admonitiones contemptas rejectas sicuti Christi verba aperte significant Mat. 18. disp 48. thes 25 26. And though drunkennesse and such like bodily-sins be lesse then hypocrisie in this sense i. e. non-regeneration simply and in genere peccati in the nature of sin yet it is not lesse in genere scandali in the kind of scandall and offence unto the Church Nay this hath not the nature of scandall at all 6. Yet Mr. Lockier according to the genius of his Doctrine ought to say not only men when it doth evidently appear that they are hypocrits but even if it doth not evidently appear that they are truly gracious and we cannot discern in them the power of godlinesse they are to be Excommunicate For his Doctrine is that none are fit mater to be admitted or permitted to constitute a Visible Church but such as are truely Godly so far as men truely Godly can judge and discern I beleeve most of the Independent way will disclaime him in this 7. Excommunication is an Ordinance to keep the house of God pure and according to what it ought to be in point of duety in foro exteriori and in order to salvation this we grant only in this sense that it is an Ordinance tending towards this as a means for this is an end of Excommunication that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus but not in this sense that the Church is obliged thereby to effectuate it quoad eventum this belongeth to God alone Excommunication is an Ordinance to keep the Church pure and according to what it ought to be in point of qualification in foro exteriori in order to externall Visible Church-state even quoad eventum But now what this qualification in foro exteriori in order to Church-state is is the thing in Question So Mr. Lockier in his reasoning from Excommunication to his Doctrine either alledgeth nothing to the purpose taking his antecedent in the former sense or begs the Question taking it in the latter 8. In the conclusion as propounded here First note If only reall Saints be the proper mater of a Visible Church and saving grace the complexion of it then all Saints so far as men can judge are not fit mater for these are not necessarily reall Saints simply 2. When as he saith not one known to be otherwise he should have said answerably to the former words no not one not known so far as men can judge to be such 3. Can justifiably enter may be conceived either in point of duty incumbent to themselves who enter and so the meaning is this men joyning themselves to the Visible Church and making profession of Religion without true faith and repentance are not justifiable in this before God or it may be conceived to be spoken of the Churches active admission of men into externall Church-communion and the sense is this it is not justifiable that men not having saving grace should by the Church be admitted to enter into the fellowship of the Visible Church If in any thing certainly in propounding Doctrines stating controversies forming conclusions ambiguities should be shun'd We grant the former sense but the latter we deny and it is not yet proven This much of the inductiâ—… Now come we to the fourth way of probation by reasons SECTION VI. Examination of Mr. Lockyers proofs brought under the name of reason section 1 HIs reasons are four which because they ly loose out of form and are somewhat prolixely pro pounded I shall labour to take up the strength of them as far as I can see ingenuously in form that we may both with the more shortnesse and clearnesse to the greater satisfaction of the Reader consider and answer them section 2 The first reason so far as I can possibly see may
by most impertinent Citations What is there in this place to the purpose of the constitution of the Visible Church as to its matter or Members the Apostle here ver 10 11 12 13 14 15. is speaking of Doctrines fundamentall and superstructed and that these ought to be suitable and agreeable to that what is this to the mater of the Visible Church Ay Yes by Analogie would he say first because the Apostle useth the same medium and argues as I do that if Christ be layed as a foundation c. Ans And must that hold Universallie because one using a medium in one mater reasons truelie and solidlie therefore another using that medium in another mater and reasoning that same way for forme must also reason truelie and solidelie What if this other erre in the application of the medium and if some of his premisses and principles whereof his argument consists be false upon the matter so it is here The Apostle reasoneth well and concludently upon that principle that the superstructure should be suitable to the foundation that Teachers should take heed what Doctrines they teach in the Church Because he assumeth well that Christ or the Doctrine of Christ is the foundation-point of Doctrine in Religion and all other Doctrines are the superstructures But Mr. Lockier assumeth amisse that the Visible Church as such is the superstructure built upon Christ as the Foundation The Scripture sayeth no where so a Visible Church-state or to be received unto or to be in the Visible Church state is not to be built on Christ as a Foundation but is to be taken in under or to be under the means of being built either first or in a further degree of advancement on Christ as a Foundation But further sayeth he see how he applyes this ver 16 17. incongruous superstructions if in point of Doctrine c. Ans This is somewhat spoken in the mist but for ought I can conjecture or conceive the meaning seemeth to be this that wrong Doctrines taught in the Church makes persons unholy and so unfit mater for the Church to consist of and so destroyes or defiles the Temple of God which is as he conceiveth the Visible Church And thus he will have the Apostle v. 16 17. to apply that which he had been speaking in the preceeding verses Now if this be not a forceing of the purpose and meaning of these two verses let any understanding man in the Christian World judge The plain genuine intention and purpose of the Apostle in these verses is to warne and dehort the Corinthians from defiling and laying waste the Church either by corrupt idle or curious Doctrine not suitable to the foundation Christ or by Schismaticall addicting themselves to this or that man who were teachers among them which was the purpose whereupon he began this discourse v. 4. or both and that upon these three grounds 1. The consideration of the dignity they were advanced to that they were the Temple of God consecrated by the indwelling Spirit to him 2. That such things did defile and lay them waste 3. That God would severly punish such as any wayes defiled and destroyed them that were a Temple consecrated to him Ay but 3. Saith he it is added for the Temple of God is holy which Temple ye are i. e. such arâ—â—he Temple of God which are holy which hath the Spirit of God dwelling in their hearts and none else Ans 1. Mr. Lockier then conceiveth that these words are brought in as a reason why he that teacheth wrong or incongruous Doctrines defiles or destroyes the Temple of God To this sense the Visible Church consists of such as are holy and hes the Spirit dwelling in them and none else therefore men by teaching incongruous Doctrine making men in the Church incongruous mater i. e. unholy destroyes the Temple i. e. the Visible Church A meer forgerie contrary to clear shining evidence of the Apostles context wherein any man that is not blind may see that these words for the Temple of God is holy are given as a reason why these that defile the Temple will be severly punished of God the reason of which consequence clearly intimate in the words is because God will not indure the defiling or violating of that which is holy and consecrate to himself 2. True indeed such are the Temple of God which are holy and none else So Mr. Lockier supposeth but without reason or proof Sure the Apostle borroweth this denoâ—…ation from the typicall Temple of Jerusalem but that was no type of a Visible Church but of Christs Mysticall body and every member thereof And hence I reason thus the denomination of the Temple of God is such as is competent to and predicable of these to whom it is attributed not only collectively i. e. to the whole society of them but also unto every one severally * Martyr in loc non solum fidelium caetus qui Ecclesia dicitur templum Dei dicitur sed unusquisque credentium in Christum reperitur ita cognominatus nam postea de fornicatione agens Apostâ—lus cap. 6. corpus cujusque credentis vocat templum spiritus Sancti But if it be taken for the Visible Church it could not be attributed to every member thereof Every one in it is not a Visible Church 3. If such only be the Temple of God in Mr. Lockiers sense i. e. a Visible Church which are holy and has the Spirit of God dwelling in their hearts and none else he may seek such a Visible Church in the new world of the Moon In the end of this paragraph he prompts us another Argument equivalent to this first from this that Christ is called the Head and the Church the Body In form it must stand thus If Christ be the Head there must be an homogenealnesse in the Church to him he meaneth they must be truely gracious and endued with true saving faith But Christ is the Head and the Visible Church his Body Therefore c. The reason of the connexion of the first Proposition is because else there can be no mutuall derivation from one to another Ans 1. Protestant Divines will with one consent deny your assumption as Popish and tell you that it is the Church of the Elect that is the Body of Christ the Head See but Whittaker de Eccles q 1. c. 13. pag. 449. in fol. Yet 2. For more clear and particular answer we are to consider that Christ may be said to be the Head and the Church his body either in a politicall sense as a King is called the Head of the Common-wealth and the People are called his Body Or to speak so in a physicall sense according to the similitude of mans body Now we grant that Christ is a Head to the Visible Church and the Visible Church hath unto him the relation of a body in the former sense Christ is a King of the Visible Church and the Visible Church is his politicall Body
But hence it followeth not that there must be such a homogenealnesse in the Church Visible as Mr. Lockier meaneth that it be endued with true faith and have the Spirit dwelling in their hearts And as to the reason of the connexion of the proposition we answer such a homogenealnesse is not requisite for such a derivation as is from a head politicall to its politicall body this derivation being only morall by commands prohibitions and the like morall actings But Christ is not a Head in the latter sense as the head in the naturall body is to the Church Visible as such nor is the Visible Church a body to him in this sense but only vocatione activâ and in externall profession Neither is that derivation from Christ unto the Church whereby it groweth up in the Lord unto the Church as a Visible Church or considered according to its visible constitution But unto the Church Invisible internall Mysticall as such section 5 His 2d Reason is thus shortlie If the Visible Church be the Church of the Living God the pillar and stay of truth and consequently such as should bear up the truth into the World and be a stay to truth holding it out firmly and faithfully in the midst of all tryalls and such as in which God lives and dwells and walks Then none can be mater or members of the Visible Church but real Saints For why Doth God live and dwell in dead persons who only make a Profession of Religion Will such persons be a stay to truth and the things of God Will they be a stay to truth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 firmamentum as the firmament to the stars who fall from Heaven themselves And so how can God have glory in the Church throughout all ages But the Visible Church is the Church of the Living God the pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim. 3. 5. in which God lives dwells walks Ergo c. Ans Mr. Lockier still in this as in all his other Arguments shews that in propounding his Doctrine he added that qualification truely gracious so far as men can judge but dicis causa and in shew to avoid for a while the odium of the greatest Anabaptists Tenent of the mater or members of the Visible Church For such as may be gracious and Godly so far as men can judge mens judgement being not infallible in this as himself confesseth may be destitute of the power of Godlines in their hearts and so such as will not hold out truth firmly in the midst of all trials may be but dead persons and so such as in whom God doth not live walk and dwell 2. As to that first property and character attributed to a Visible Church from 1 Tim. 3. 15. by Mr. Lockier First I would aske him if in good earnest he meaneth that to be a property of a Visible Church rightly constitute in its mater as it should be that it will bear up the truth and things of God firmly and faithfully to the world in the midst of all trials Sure this is the very thing that Papists alledge from this place for the unerrabilitie and indefectibilitie of the Visible Church against which all Protestant Divines disputes Yea it is much more for Papists attribute this only to the Catholick Church Visible acknowledging that all particular Visible Churches may erre and make defection and let the truth and things of God fall down excepting only the Roman Church because they make it to be the Catholick Church virtually but Mr. Lockier acknowledges no Church Visible but an Independent Congregation and will have this to be the property of any particular Visible Church and therefore propounds the subject of his conclusion here thus a Church Visible i. e. any Visible Church now let me put him further to it either there was never a Church Visible rightly constitute for mater from the beginning seeing all the first constitute Churches have made defection and let truth fall down which if he say besides that it is absurd in it self I ask why then did he a little before bring us paterns of right constitute Churches from these first mentioned in Scripture Or if they were right constitute how comes it that they made defection and did not bear up and hold out the truth and things of God but did let them fall If he answer that came to passe because they kept not a right constitution for their mater I repone that taks not away the force of the Question For that same if it was so was a not bearing up and holding out firmly and faithfully the things of God and so the Question returneth upon this 2. But to answer directly to the place though Interpreters have some variety amongst themselves about the meaning of it Yet never one of them acknowledges that Interpretation which Mr. Lockier gives but opposeth it and refuteth it in Papists Some indeed expone the attribute the pillar and ground of truth much as he doth but these by the Church to which it is attributed undâ—rstand not the Visible Church but the Invisible of Elect. So Whittaker de Eccles q. 3. c. 2. illa quidem Ecclesia quae est columna firmamentum veritatis nunquam potest deficere Sed quod assumit adversarius illam Ecclesiam esse Visibilem illud affirmo esse falsissimum Invisibilem enim esse affirmo demonstro c. and often otherwhere Others again understand the subject as he doth by the Church to be meant the Visible Church of Ephesus but these expone the attribute the pillar and ground of truth not of what the Church Visible will do alwayes de facto but what is its duty and dignity elogium hoc Ecclesiae dignitatem officium describit Non autem quod in ea perpetuâ luce fulgeat Gomar specul ver Eccles c. 2. So Wal. loc com de Eccles milit Resp 1. Hoc dicitur de Ecclesia Ephesinâ que tamen periit 2. Ergo respectu officii sic vocatur See more concerning this place in learned Gomar in the place cited also in his commentar upon the Gallatians c. 2. in the second Tome of his works pag. 244 245. where you have an excellent discourse of the diverse Orthodox Interpretations thereof both ancient and moderne Divines We passe here Camer Interpretation of this place joining these words pillar and ground of truth not with that which goeth before but that which followeth section 6 For the 2d property and character out of the 2 Cor. 6. 16. We Ans With all Protestant Divines that it is not the Visible but the Invisible Church that is the Temple of the living God in which he liveth dwelleth and walketh See Whittaker de Ecâ—ces q. 1 c. 11. pag. 442. To omit many other Arguments for proof of this take but this one from the Text the Temple of the Living God in this place is taken in such a sense as that it is spoken and praedicated of singular persons
such matter i. e. Members as are all truely Godly But the former is true Ergo c. and if thus then we deny the connexion or consequence of the first Proposition And my reason for the denyall thereof is this Because I may say if the Churches Visible be de facto such that all or most part of their Members be truely Godly and shining in the Power of Godlinesse at the time wherein God hath decreed to bring in the Jews that will be sufficient for provoking the Jews although it be not constitute by a Rule or Precept that the Church in admitting Members into externall Church-fellowship admit none but those that are truely Godly And why may we not say that the Lord will at some time for carrying on a design decreed by himself in the way of the dispensation of his efficacious Grace make his Visible Church at least in most part the Members thereof better as to the reality and Power of Religion then he requires them to be by way of Rule relating to Ecclesiastick proceeding with Persons in admiting them to externall Visible Church-communion In a word the futurition of the provocation of the Jews by the Power of Godlinesse in Gentile Professours proveth only that God is to make the Gentile Professours such de facto or at most what they ought to be in point of their duty for serving and glorifying God But proves not that they ought to be such in point of qualification in foro exteriori Ecclesiae and in relation to admission to the externall society of the Visible Church section 11 Or Secondly It may be formed thus If the Jews shall be provoked to turn unto the Lord and imbrace Christian Religion by the glory and purity of his Worship and Worshippers then the Visible Church or Churches use which ye will now shall be constitute or consist of such as are truely Godly But the former is true Ergo the latter also And I answer 1. Suppose the consequent be granted in as large an universality as it can be taken in Yet it speaks nothing to the Question in hand Why Because only of what is to be de facto quoad eventum by dispensation of effectuall Grace in the Visible Church And not what ought to be by rule of necessity that the Church Visible may be rightly constitute in its Visible Church-state and the Question is about this latter not that former And dispensations of effectuall Grace are not our rule in this 2. Nor yet doth it follow of necessity that even de facto the Church Visible shall be so constitute as to its matter in every difference of time but only that it shall be at that time that the Jews are to be brought in and converted to the Christian Faith Yea nor doeth it follow that de facto even at that time the Church Visible shall be so constitute in its mater that all and every Member thereof shall be truely Godly and shining in the manifestations of Purity and the Power of Godlinesse but that so it shall be for the most part and commonly in the Visible Church I acknowledge that a means of awaking up the Jews to come unto and imbrace the Christian Religion will be a more glorious full Reformation of Christians both in point of Worship and in point of conversation Now Superstition and Antichristian Idolatry amongst those that are called Christians which are these they only see for the most part is a stumbling block to them that ly in their way at this day and I will not say but the impurity and unrighteousnesse of Christians is also a stumbling block to them Albeit I think they do not so much stumble at this as at the former considering that which is well known in the places where they live how much notour and known unrighteousnesse is amongst them generally being for the most part most covetous exorbitant usurers cheaters c. most evidently the deadest formall slight in performance of their way of Worship as mine eyes have been witnesses of any people in the World Yet I say I will not deny that this may stumble them and they may be do pretend it also Therefore Babylon the Mother of fornications must and will down And the Princes of the earth that have given up their power to that Whoore will hate her burn her flesh with fire and the Lord will purge and reforme his Worship and Ordinances and the Christian World from Superstition and Idolatry And I believe also that their is a time coming when there shall be also a more general and shining Reformation of the lives of Christians that both these shall concur as means to provock the Jews to fall in love with the Christian Religion and to seek unto Jesus Christ But that all and every Professour in the Visible Church shall be truely Godly or shining so gloriously in the Power of Godlinesse for indeed it is not Godlinesse simply so much as a more then ordinary shining and eminency of it that will be the means of this great work which Mr. Lockier has not heeded well in this Argument or that if any in the Visible Church be not such convincingly though otherwayes professing the truth and pure Worship and living without scandall shall be casten out neither the necessity of that effect doth require nor can there be warrant of Scripture produced to say or beleeve that it shall be so section 12 As for the passages of Scripture brought for illustration and confirmation of this fourth reason though the very sense of them given by him were granted they bear no more but what we have granted that God will by dispensation of providence punish destroy and purge out among his Elect in the Church wicked idolatrous godlesse and profane ones and this we deny not but that the Lord now and then may be towards the end more is and will be doing this But speaks nothing expresly and directly nor by way of consequence of a rule concerning Ecclesiastick qualification of persons in relation to admission into externall Visible Church fellowship But verily the most part if not all of them are but absurdly and violently contrary to the genuine scope of the Spirit in them drawn to this purpose in hand I shall not now insist much upon them But briefly point out the perverting of them section 13 For the first Esay 66. from ver 16. to the end let the Reader be at the pains to read but upon the place Calvin Junius and the English notes and especially if he have any skill in the Language the notes of the learned judicious Nether-Dutch Interpreters and I doubt not but he shall find such an Exposition and up-taking of the series and threed of that context as shall fill and satisfie his minde much different from that of Mr. Lockiers which is but a new coyn'd Interpretation by men addicted to the millenarian phancy and forced upon the Text. I shall only give some little
and all the Churches in the world were of such a complexion and constitution And we acknowledge that as it is the duty of every professour in the Visible Church in the sight of God that they be not only so far as men can judge but in truth and indeed truly gracious having true saving Faith Repentance and Sanctification So that it is the duety of Ministers and of every one in the Church according to their station and capacity to endeavour by all means instituted by God that it may be so But the thing that we oppose is your rigid opinion that will have no Church Visible at all unlesse you have it of such a complexion and will have none permitted to enter the society of the Visible Church unlesse before they be truly gracious sealed of God by his Spirit at least giving such convincing evidences hereof as they may be accounted such as far as men truely godly â—an discern and judge and will have all who are not such casten out to be as heathens This we oppose because it hath no warrand in the Word is contrary to the Word is obstructive to the salvation of many souls tendeth to the ruine of the Christian Church and Religâ—on But to oppose this and to oppose a Church of that complexion and constitution you speak of are much different Here then first we desiderate ingenuous dealing with us section 3 But what a flood of bitternesse followeth upon this What horrid crimes laid to the charge of his Opposers and what terrible dooms and woes denounced against them They have a meer spirit of contradiction bordering upon malice and blasphemy liâ—… Jews who not able to disprove things that were taught yet would contradict being filled with envy Acts 13. 44. A spirit of pure contradiction haunting men not a spirit of superiour light a tempter shewing men to be poisoned with Sauls spirit leaven'd with envy and malice and out of this do little else but blasheme the Tabernacle of God and these which dwell in heaven which is no other but a spirit of Antichrist Rev. 13. 6. whereupon is denounced Acts 13. 41. Behold ye despisers wonder perish c. and not wondering at nor believing the things that God sayeth and doeth no other effect produced by the Word and Works of God brought to their door but despising and thereupon with the repetition of the former 1. New denunciation of the curse Ezra 6. 12. and then here spoken to as heathen such as he doubteth Darius was but if he was one then cursed by one of their own high and low of them one as well as another as alterers and destroyers of Gods worship and People and will have them take this off his hand as an article of their Creed Will ye not believe And then the Prophesie denounced against the Antichrist and his followers Rev. 19. from v. 11. foreward is applyed to them Is this the soft sweet whispering we were told of Ah Mr. Lockier my soul is sorrowfull and heavy to think a man professing Christianity a Minister of the Gospel standing to speak in the LORDS sight and in his Name should have uttered such a horrid accusation and bitter invective against many whom Jesus Christ hath interest in and will owne at the last day I beseech you Sir return into your own thoughts and consider as in the Lords presence 1. Against whom you have spoken these things who were the Opposers of that your Doctrine nearest to you at that time and so to whom most nearly you intended your speech then uttered and now Printed Were they not the honest and faithfull servants of Jesus Christ the Ministers of Edinburgh and other ancient Christians there Were any of the people of that place so opposite to you in this mater as the most ancient and solide Christians many of whom were in Christ ere you or I had a being in the World and then with them doth not the Godly Presbyterians in the three Nations oppose you in this mater and the Godly Divines over-seas some of which have positively Printed their judgement in opposition to your way As n. the Valacrian Câ—asse And are all these led by a meer spirit of contradiction c. 2. Consider Sir what is the mater of quarrell Because they oppose your way of outward constitution of the Visible Church which will permit none to enter or abide in the fellowship of the Visible Church under the care of the Ministers of Christ but such as are already truely regenerate as far as the most discerning men can judge though they wish and endeavour by Prayers to God by pains upon men that all in their Churches might be such and would account it their Crown and rejoicing how many they may have such Is this to blaspheme the Tabernacle of God to destroy his Worship and People a spirit of Antichrist For which they must perish be cursed destroyed and all that written Rev. 19. from vers 11. come upon them Suppose they were in an error as it is not an error but the way of Christ might it not have passed amongst the Wood Hay or Stubble built upon the foundation but not destroying the foundation which may burn the builders being safe Ay but say you they maintain it out of a meer spirit of contradiction as did the learned Jews seeing a great aptnesse in many of their Countrey-men to receive the Doctrine of Christ and they not being able to disprove the things that were taught yet would contradict so they c. Ah Mr. Lockier What could the accuser of the Brethren said more boldly and more bitterly 'T is true some of our Countrey-men have shown themselves too ready to receive your Doctrine yet blessed be God not so many as you by insinuation boast of These few that hes done so I judge not their persons they will stand and answer for it before their Judge at the last day Some are now but fulfilling that which they had once prophesied of themselves But to you here Mr. Lockier 1. Suppose they be in an errour that oppose your Doctrine concerning the necessary qualification of persons for being mater of a Visible Church What are ye to judge them to do it out of a meer spirit of contradiction that they are poysoned with Sauls spirit leaven'd with malice and envy c. Would not charity have required that you should have judged possibly they do it out of ignorance and not out of malice against knowledge of the truth Were these Godly modest men Hooker Cotton alive they would and such as are alive of that way that are pious and judicious will I am confident detest and abhorre this your unchristian cruell judging of us Blessed be God we stand not nor fall at mans judgement we have one that judgeth us our Lord Jesus Christ and to him we referre this challenge you have laid to our charge and Sir if you do not repent of the rashnesse and cruelty of it which from our souls
it was not legall I mean ceremonially nor typicall so neither was it ever abolished Let Mr. Lookier shew me a Text in the whole New Testament importing an abrogation of it Nay we trust through the Lords grace ere we come to an end to give evidence from the Word of God that there is a Church Visible under the New Testament of a larger extent and bounds I mean in point of Government then a Province or Nation even a Visible Church Universall Therefore I conclude that we maintaining a Nationall Church in no other sense then this which is still warranted and allowed in the New Testament it is nothing else but grosse Separatisme to gather Churches out of Churches upon this account because they are united into one Nationall Church in this sense As to that alledged by Mr. Lockier of gathering Churches out of that one Church of the Jews which he would confirm by Gal. 1. 22. I Ans The alledgeance is grossely impertinent for why We are now upon the practice of gathering and constituting Churches in a new Visible Church-state of persons withdrawn from Churches wherein is the sound Doctrine of the faith of Christ and pure Sacraments according to their institution such as the most judicious and Godly amongst the Independent Brethren themselves confesse to be true Churches upon this account because they are united into one Nationall Church in point of Government But now will Mr. Lockier say that the Christian Churches of the Jews were gathered out of the Jews upon this account because they were a Nationall Church in this sense He cannot upon any warrand in the world The ground of their gathering out from the rest of the Jews was because the rest would not beleeve Jesus to be the Messiah nor imbrace him as their Saviour But would still adhere to their ceremoniall Worship Sacrifices and Priesthood and would be saved by their own righteousnesse blaspheming Christ and his Doctrine section 4 The second objection he propoundetâ— to himself is this Those men are full of Heresies and dangerous opinions that follow this way many monsters came out of your Independent Churches therefore surely 't is not of God c. I must say again Mr. Lockier doth prudently to make choise of such arguments against himself to answer as are little to the purpose in hand I think no understanding adversary would have moved this as an objection against his Doctrine handled in this Lecture concerning the matter of the Visible Church But I think indeed being well managed it may be made use of to good purpose against their Independent Churches in point of their Government thus The Government that is apt to open a door to Errors seemeth cannot be of God But such is the Independent way of Church Government Which makes every particular Congregation Independent and supreme in Government so that if any of them fall into Error there is no Ecclesiastick Power on earth that authoritatively can interpose to redresse wherein they go wrong And certaine it is by this occasion many Errours have sprung up amongst them that follow this way And for this very cause it is that so many maintainers of grosse Errours as Anabaptists Antinomians c. lay hold on this way of Government as most suitable to their designes and serviceable for their safetie and indemnitie And here I shall desire Mr. Lockier to remember how that Reverend Mr. Brightman parallelling the Churches of Geneva France Low-countries and Scotland put the speciall point of their commendation on the nature and way of their Government viz. Presbyteriall whereby they have more then any Reformed Churches preserved themselves in Unity and Truth free of Schismes and Heresies But we will have place afterward to speak of this point of Government It seemeth to me very likely that M â— Lockier hath drawn in this objection in this place namely upon a design against a Person as we shall see apparent ground even now in his answer section 5 Answ 1. All is not true that is said of Congregationall Churches and their friends it hath been an old wyle of the Devil Nay I know all is not true which is Printed of Persons honouring and loving Churches of such a constitution witnesse Master Edwards Gangren nay Master Rutherfurds Spirituall Antichrist pag. 250 251. The Lord Generall Cromwell is charged with publick scandall and unsoundnesse in the Faith because of a letter to the Parliament then having set down a part of that letter out of Mr. Rutherfurd what Heresie sayeth he is in this letter I know not and then applyes to Master Rutherfurd his constructing of that letter Psal 56. 5. and that of Solomon Pro. surely the wringing of the nose bringeth forth blood Then cites another speach of Master Rutherfurds Spirit Antich pag. 251. viz. to my knowledge there 's not this day in England any that is a meer Independent which maintaineth nothing but Independencie with most of those of New England and doeth not hold other unsound and corrupt Tenets c. and sayeth this maketh him tremble when he remembreth from whom it cometh Surely there be many Independents in England to whom he is a stranger And how then should he dare to speak of them all as he doeth Especially this makes him tremble comparing with what Master Rutherfurd hath in his Epistle if I lift up my hand or a bloody pen c. Answ 1. 'T is a poor and sory Vindication all is not true that is said yea or Printed of Congregational Churches and of their friends That is not the thing you are charged with in the Objection even as formed by your self that all is true c. if a great part or most part of these things â—e true the charge abideth good And true it is that more Monsters of dangerous opinions in matters of Religion have come from Independent Churches and the friends thereof and have had their recourse to that way of Government within those few years by past then I believe has arisen in all the Reformed Churches in Christendome since the beginning of Reformation As for your bringing M â— Rutherfurd upon the stage upon the account of that Letter you will do well Mr. Lockier to enter into your own heart and consider from what designe and intention this hath proceeded 'T is very apparent it has come from little purpose or intention to clear that Letter in the things charged upon it Seeing you have not so much as hinted at the clearing of one animadversion on it But thought it enough to say you know not what is amisse in it and to bid the world judge of it Give me leave to say it of Mr. Lockier If Generall Cromwels Souldiers defended him not better with the Sword then you do here with your pen it were not very safe for him to go to the fields Well I will not determine upon your intentions But if the intention of the work of this businesse looketh not towards stirring up of persecution against the Godly
by reason 〈◊〉 their gift of discerning perceiving in the persons true inward saving grace section 5 But to this supposing that which we shall make good in the proofe of the assumption they did admit them upon their first making professâ—… without delay or further enquirie I rejoyn thus If the Apostle â—…d admit them 〈◊〉 discerning and judging positively reall grace in them then that discerning and judging of theirs eithe◠〈◊〉 proceed from and was the act of an 〈◊〉 ordinary gift of an 〈◊〉 and Propheticall Spirit or from 〈◊〉 ordinary gift of dâ—…cretion common to beleevers 1. It cannot bâ— said that it was from the former For 1. I require a proof thereof from the History of Scripture because this Question beiâ—… about 〈…〉 of fact the probation is incumbent to my adverâ—… 〈◊〉 the affirming party But he shall 〈◊〉 be able to 〈…〉 of this from the History of 〈…〉 such 〈…〉 â—…dinary Propheticall gift of discerâ—… 〈…〉 of that 〈◊〉 E. G the gift of Diting and 〈…〉 â—…nicall Scripture was not inherent in the mind of the 〈…〉 way of 〈◊〉 permanent â—abite whereof they might make◠〈◊〉 â—…eir own will in ordinary But was present to them by 〈◊〉 â—…ansient motion or â—…scation of 〈◊〉 Spirit Now albeit it be true that the Apostles â—…meâ—mes de fâ—cto had such an extraordinary and Propheticall inspiration whereby they discovered secrets of mens spirits as 〈◊〉 had in the mater of Ananias and Saphira Acts Yet what warrand have wâ— to beleeve that they were to 〈…〉 an extraordinary gift of discerning the spirituall estaâ—… 〈…〉 â—…narily and when they were to go about the receâ—… 〈…〉 into the fellowship of the â—…ble Church We know 〈…〉 had a promise of infallible illumination and inspiration of the Spirit foâ— leading them into all truth â—n delivering unto the â—…urch the maters of faith and juris divinâ— by word or writâ— But that they had a promise of such extraordinary illuminatâ—… 〈…〉 â—…tation of the Spirit for discerning such maters of fact 〈…〉 conversion and â—aith of 〈◊〉 to be assâ—ent to them in passing judgement when they 〈◊〉 have occasion we no where 〈◊〉 in the Word of God 3. 〈◊〉 that discerning and judgemâ—… 〈◊〉 by suâ—…â—n extraordinary gift as this it had been certaâ—… 〈◊〉 â—…fallibleâ— But we finde many to have been admitted by the Apostles who â—…ward positively discovered themselves to be but gracelesse mâ—… section 6 2. But if it shall be said that their â—…dgement in this matâ—… 〈◊〉 the act of the ordinâ—… gift of discerning 〈…〉 â—s this proceedeth discursively 〈◊〉 the outward 〈…〉 to conclude of the inward state and conâ—…ution of 〈…〉 â—…ose and fountain then I say the â—…wâ—rd 〈…〉 they proceeded as the medinâ—… or Arguâ—… to câ—nclude the persons whom they admitted to be truely converted and as Mr. Lockier hath it such as God the searcher of hearts did 〈…〉 sealed by the Spirit for his so far as men truely converted and very spirituall can discern Was either their present profession of the faith and subjectioÌ„ to Ordinances simply considered by it self as such or that profession takeâ—â—…ther with some other outward eminent effect accompanying or as connotating some circumstance of profession in that 〈◊〉 rendering it signifâ—… of more as to true inward grace in the heart then 〈…〉 materially is ordinarily and in other times This enuâ—…â—nceive is sufficiently full supposing 〈◊〉 now wâ—… that â—…ted them upon their first professing without delay of time 〈◊〉 â—…her tryall and discoveries section 7 Now to resume these if the 〈…〉 said we might be soon at a point and agreement upon the mater in this Question toâ—…hing the qualification of Church-members necessary in foro Ecclesiastico For this is the very thing upon the mater that we assert and stand for viz. that serious profession of faith and subjection to the Ordinances of God is sufficient And that having this further tryall and 〈…〉 of the soundnesse of the work in the heart is not 〈…〉 foro Ecclesiastico for the â—…mission of persons into the â—…ship of the Visible Church If it shall be said that it was not that profession alone by it self but together with some other outward â—…ble effect accompanying it such as was that mournfull humâ—… expression of these Acts 2. 3. 7. Men and Brethren what 〈…〉 which was sufficient to supply the place of a continued 〈…〉 of their conversation for 〈◊〉 and â—…ing into their experimentall work 〈◊〉 their heart 'T is true that in some at their 〈◊〉 imbracing the Christian faith and Religion we finde some 〈…〉 of that kind accompanying it reported in the â—…ory But 〈◊〉 will say that it was so with all and every one of the many thousands whom the Apostles received and baptized when as the sacred Story in speaking of these who imbraced the Christian Faith and were baptized seldome mentioâ—… or insinuateth any such thing If the 3. be said that it was thâ—â—…fession considered not 〈…〉 such but as connotating soâ—… 〈…〉 of the 〈◊〉 viz. the dangâ—… of persecution that profeâ—… 〈◊〉 Christian 〈◊〉 brought men under then which is the thing Mr. Lockier layeth the great weight on as we did see before pag. 24 25. and that Profession of Christian Religion so cirâ—…stantiate was more pregnant to signifie a great deal more touching inward grace then the same profession for mater doth now or ordinarily out of that case I repone 't is true perseverance and constant holding out in the profession of Religion under the crosse and actuall pressure of persâ—…tion is a good evidence to ground a positive charitable judgement of an honest heart and principle of grace within 〈◊〉 and undertaking the profession when it may probably 〈…〉 is noâ— nothing to this purpose But I desire it ma◠〈◊〉 â—…mbred â—ere that aâ— the Christian Profession then was 〈…〉 dangâ—… of persecution thâ— it was not alwayes actually â—…cuted Some time the Church had rest round about so 〈◊〉 Gospel then was accompanied with greaâ—â—nd many wonders and miracles which are mightily operative upon the minds of men to draw them to the following a Doctrine or way of Religion even without any spirituall heart-change And therefore I think that no man can in reason say that Profession of the Gospel lyable unto danger of persecution yet together accompanied with so great miracles and 〈◊〉 in as to â—ignifying and discovery of inward grace so 〈◊〉 profession the same upon the mater when there is not 〈◊〉 danger and withall neither are there such wonders and miracles accompanying it Further let it be considered that besides that the â—acred historiographer more frequently mentioneth the circumstance of miracles and wonders then that of the danâ—… of persecution in reporting mens bringing to the profeâ—… of â—…ristian faith besides this I say we never read marked in the story that that circumstance of the danger of persecution was taken into account by the Apostles for passing judgement upon the inâ—…â—…cerity of Conversion when they admitted to
probable appearances of the one or the other sort of characters accordingly to presse upon persons the one more then the other 3. Nor deny I but it belongs to the duty of a Minister seriously and attentively to observe with wisdome so far as he can the way of such as are under his charge to discern and understand so far as may be their spirituall condition and estate and that he may have a probable judgement of discretion concerning the same this is necessary 〈◊〉 behovefull for him that he may rhe better know how to perform that duty of dividing the Word of God aright In effect it is no small part of a Ministers study to study the condition of his flock yea this in some way is incumbent to every particular Christian in relation to others with whom they converse that they may be able the more accommodatly and ptofitably to exhort and provoke one another to good works But this I deny that God has given to any man or society of men power and authority judicially to cognosce upon the spirituall estate of every professour of the Gospel and positively to pronounce every professour of the Gospel upon such cognition to be held a regenerat man and in the estate of grace or to be held unregenerat and yet in the state of nature Which yet Mr. Lockier must needs force say by consequence of his Docttine touching the qualification of Church mater or members But now let him or any man shew me from the Word of God any authentick Divine patent or commission of this power given to any man or society of men in the world The Lord has indeed given to the Church or rather to the Officers in the Church a power authoritatively to cognosce upon all professours outward actions and to determine judicially whether sinfull and scandalous or not but to cognosce determine and judge judicially and positively upon their inward Spirituall estate we read not any where that he hath given power to men this he hath reserved as a prerogative to himself to be exercised openly at last in the day of Judgement before all Men and Angells and in this life secretly by his Word and Spirit in the court of mens consciences when it seems good to himself And this is the very ground the Apostle Rom. 14. goeth upon in disswading men to judge one another Which certainly must be understood of their Spirituall estates and not their actions Because these without question may be lawfully and warrantably be judged see v. 9 10 11 12 13. of that chap. section 15 Arg. 3 Which will also serve to confirme the preceeding If it had been our Lords will and institution that true heart godlinesse conversion and faith so far as men can discerne should be the necessary qualification to constitute persons capable of Visible-Church-Membership and consequently had instituted a power and authority to cognosce and passe judgement positively upon them concerning the inward work of Grace in their heart whither they be truely regenerate or not that upon such judgement they might be admitted unto or debarred from the fellowship of the Visible Church Then sure he would given in his word a rule of ◠tryall for regulating the Churches cognition judgement and determination in this mater expressing the particular characters and evidences which being found in persons they might be positively judged regenerate and converted Yea and the minimum quod sic that is the lowest degree and measure of such characters lesse then which if Professours should be found to have they are to be accounted non-regenerate or at least not to be counted Regenerate But there is no such rule in the Word of God therefore c. The connexion of the proposition is certain and evident and as I conceive cannot be denyed by any man For first it cannot be conceived how it can consist with the Wisdome of God that he would have ordained that only persons so and so qualified should be admitted to the fellowship of the Church and all others debarred And that the Church should have power to cognosce And positively to judge every professour that they are so qualified or not in relation to admitting or excluding them And yet not have prescribed a definite rule for regulating the Churches cognition and judgement of rhis But left it without rule to men in their consciences as both judge and rule to determine who is to be held regenerate or not certainly this cannot consist with humane let be divine wisedome Alas even gracious men being of very different and unequall syzes of light and discerning could not but vary much one from another so that oftentimes their would be tot sententiae quot capita Then any man will readily vary from himself at diverse times Yea the best of men are subject to sinfull affections which may and would no doubt oftentimes by-asse the judgements as having no small influence thereupon And so what confusions disorders yea and oftentimes grievous injuries to persons in the mater of admission into or exclusion from the fellowship of the Church might not this open a door to if the mater were committed wholly to mans judgement without law or rule Therefore it must be confessed that there must be a rule for regulating the Churches cognition and judgement in this mater which the opposites will not deny 2. This rule must be such as holdeth forth not only the particular characters upon the having or wanting of which the Church must cognosce and accordingly as is found to judge men Regenerate or not But also the very minimum quod sic the lowest degree and measure whereupon the judgement of the Church is to proceed My meaning to speak as plainly as I can to the weaker sort is this the rule must declare how much is sufficient and necessary at least to ground a positive judgement that a man is Regenerate of which if a man come short or have any wayes lesse he is to be reputed non-Regenerate at least not to be reputed Regenerate which according to Mr. Lockiers Doctrine debars him from being received as a Member of the Church The reason of this is clear because otherwise the mater should be left in a meer uncertaintie and in effect devolved upon the meer arbitrement of the Churches judgement if to wit the rule should say no more but indefinitely a man that he may be positively judged a true Regenerate Convert must have some knowledge of the Articles of Religion experience of effectuall calling unto Faith and Repentance and conformity of conversation to the Gospel Not determining definitely this or thus much at least he must have which if he have he is to be judged and reputed truely Regenerated and if he come short of this much not section 16 Now for the assumption let it be noted first we deny not but God hath set down in his Word a Rule definite and certain Characters and Signes whereby every Christian having knowledge thereof
and making conscience to try and search his heart and wayes and to compare the same with the rule may passe a positive yea a certain and infallible sentence and jugement upon himself whether he be Regenerate and in the state of Grace or not This we assert against Papists maintaining that Believers nor have nor by ordinary means can have assurance of their being in the state of grace and against the wilde Antinomians of this time maintaining that this cannot be had by inherent works and signes of Grace 2. We deny not but there are some more eminent outward works and actings of Religion and Piety upon which men in whom they are seen may be warrantably by others so far as is competent to men positively judged truely gracious and that there are some outward works and actings of the flesh designed by the Word of God so grosse and corrupt such as are constant known neglect of the Worship of God open contempt of Divine Ordinances customarie mocking of Piety and Religion and such others see 2 Tim. 3. 2 3 4. which appearing in men others may esteem them void of Grace carnall without the Spirit and fear of God These things then being put out of controversie this is the thing we cannot see in the Word of God a generall and universall rule for trying and giving judgement upon all and every Professour in point of Regeneration and non-Regeneration by others then themselves and holding forth such definite limited and bounded Characters of Regeneration whereupon others may passe a positive sentence or judgement viz. this man is to be held truely Regenerate because he hath so much or so much Profession and practise and this man is to be held not Regenerate at least not to be held Regenerate because he hath not so much I say we cannot see any rule of this kind held forth in the Word of God let Mr. Lockier if he hath seen it point us at it Verily if he had had a mind to satisfie his readers and hearers or done that which was requisite to have been done by him in reason to satisfie and convince them of the doctrine he delivered touching the mater or Members of the Visible Church viz. that all and every one of them must be truely converted and sealed of God for his so far as men very spirituall can judge he should have told them and that from the Word of God the particular definite bounded Characters whereby all and every Professour may and are to be by others then themselves discerned and judged to be such or otherwise but having never so much as once in his lecture assayed to determine this we must crave leave to say he has left them his Doctrine both in the mist However let him do it yet and we shall passe that escape Others of his way or towards it have assayed it but when that which they have said to this purpose is duly examined and pondered I believe it shall be found by judicious and impartiall men much unsatisfactory and still leaving the mater in the dark let 's take into consideration what some of the more judicious of them have determined in this mater section 17 Mr. Hooker Surv. p. 1. c. 2. pag. 24. layeth down the rule or ground in these words he that professing the faith lives not in the neglect of any known duty nor in the commission of any known evill and hath such a measure of knowledge as may in reason let in Christ into the soul and carry the soul to him These be grounds by which charity passed according to rule may and ought to conceive There be some beginnings of spirituall good Here are two things laid down to make up the ground to proceed upon 1. Living without omission of any known duety or in commission of any known evill 2. So much knowledge as may let in Christ to the soul and lead the soul to him But commonly amongst them there is yet a further thing required to ground this judgement viz. a declaration of the experimentall work of faith and Conversion in the heart Mr. Norton pag. 13. and Mr. Hooker himself p. 3. c. 1. pag. 4. he the person to be admitted must be tryed not only what his knowledge but what his acquaintance is with the things of Christ and his Kingdome Experience and acquaintance with Christ importeth more then knowledge that may let Christ into the soul and carry the soul to Christ Even knowledge that he is in de facto Now let us examine these things so far as concerneth our present purpose section 18 Remember then what we are upon whither the Lord in his Word has set down a generall and universall rule for judiciall tryall of professours upon the point of their regeneration or non-regeneration holding forth such determinat grounds as the Church must take cognition of and upon the having thereof and no lesse positively judge persons to be truely regenerat and converted ones this premised 1. 'T is to be observed that as to that part of the ground knowledge Mr. Hooker gives us nothing but an indefinit generall so much knowledge as may let in Christ into the soul But tells not defines not the bounds of knowledge that wee might know how much knowledge will serve for that purpose and lesse then which will not do it So the rule as to this part set down by Mr. Hooker is but a blind And verily I think it shal be hard for any man to define particularly how much knowledge is requisite to let in Christ and lesse then which will not do it Mr. Norton speaking of this part of the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 upon which the judgement of the Church must proceed pag. 12. in sin and 13. princip he defines the knowledge required to be the fundamentalls and other heads of Religion the knowledge whereof is necessary for leading a life without scandall But beside that it hath never been clearly yet shown by any what are the precise fundamentals of Religion and I suppose hardly can be it were a hard assertion to affirm that the knowledge of all these heads of Religion that are necessary to lead a life without scandall is necessary to a mans Regeneration and so the declaration thereof necessary to ground the Churches judging of him to be such for admitting him to Church fellowship I think a man may be ignorant all the dayes of his life of the strict morality of the Lords day the knowledge whereof yet it being supposed to be of divine institution as it is is necessary to lead a life without scandall and yet be truely regenerat and such as the Church may judge in charity truly gracious section 19 2. When it is said they must be such as lives not which he expresseth to be not having sin but to tread in it in the neglect of any duty or in the commission of any known evill 1. The Church hereby is put upon a ground of proceeding and judging which is meerly
if none shall be permitted to be members of the Visible Churches but such as are reall Saints at least so far as men very spirituall can discern and judge upon such evidences as these of this way holdeth forth These being in all parts the far fewest number even very few in comparison all the rest of whom yet many may have some seeds of true saving grace in them albeit it be not so perceptible to others tho they were not outwardly contumacious against the Ordinances must be un-Churched casten out to be no more under any Pastorall care for watching over their souls to live as they like without any spirituall means to restrain or reclaim them to be a ready prey to Satan and his instruments to be turned staâ—k Atheists or seduced unto any errour or heresie whatsoever What a fair field for hunting and catching of souls would Romish Emissaries have were this way of Mr. Lockiers put in practice in all the Reformed Churches I verily think the keeping of it on foot and driving it on in this Iland is not without influence from that Antichristian Synagogue upon this very designe to overturn the Protestant Churches section 28 Argument 6. That Doctrine which tends unavoidably to the holding out from the fellowship of the visible Church and so from all the ordinary means of grace and salvation instituted by Christ not only many who may be the elect of God and whom we cannot but probably judge to be elect but also many who may have some measure of true Regenerating grace in them and yet leaves a door open to any Reprobat hypocrite whom it pretends ought not to be there to come in if they can but dissemble well and carry it fair outwardly that Doctrine I say it seemeth cannot be from God But that Doctrine concerning the necessary qualification of Church-members asserted and maintained by Mr. Lockier is such therefore c. The proposition I conceive will not be denyed by any who will consider these things 1. That the means of grace and salvation the Ordinances of God are institute and set up in the Church primarly and per se for the elects sake that they may obtain salvation Hence is that of the Apostle 2 Tim. 2 10. Therefore I endure all things for the Elects sake that they may also obtain salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternall glory Notable are the words of that Judicious Popish Commentator Estius upon the words ideo Graecè propter hoc i. e. ut Euangelium disseminetur ut Verbum Dci currat clarificetur acutelie pondering the connexion of this verse with the end of the preceeding but the Word of God is not bound omnia dura suffero nullum laborem refugio idque propter electos Quamvis enim reprobi sint electis permixti eadem officia per Ecclesiae Ministros impenÌ„dantur reprobis ut Doctrina oratio exhortatio correptio Sacramentorum Administratio Non tamen propter reprobos sed propter electos fiunt And a little after Ministros utique oportet cum Paulo in universo suo Ministerio and so in receiving into the Visible Church hoc ipsum intendere 2. That as it is Christ the great and chief Pastor his own way not to quench the smoking flax so it is his will that his servants and Ministers should not doit but that they should receive these that are infirm and weak Now it being so can any man think that that way can be of Christ whereby the entrance into the Visible Church and so to the benefit of the publick Ordinances which are the ordinary means of obtaining salvation is made so strait that many elect and such as we cannot but probably judge to be such may he held forth from the benefit of all these shut out of the ordinary way of salvation Yea and even many who may have beginnings of the true grace of Regeneration If this were not a way to quench smoaking flaxes I know not what will be section 29 As for the truth of the assumption I make it clear thus 1. As to the former part many of these who professe outwardly the faith willingnesse to joyn in fellowship with the Visible Church and to subject themselves to Ordinances may be of the elect of God This cannot be denyed yea nor can we but account them who comes this far on tho we cannot yet positively say we account them actually Regenerat men probably to be elect Yet by Mr. Lockiers Doctrine tho persons professe the faith be desirous of the fellowship of the Church declare willingnesse to subject themselves to the Ordinances Yet unlesse they be truely Converted and Regenerat sealed of God by his Spirit for his so far as men very spirituall can discern they are not to be admitted into the Visible Church and are held forth from the benefit of all the publick Ordinances the ordinary means of salvation 2. As to the other part 't is also clear thus because there may be many smoaking flaxes who have some measure of true grace in them who yet not only are weak in knowledge unable to give an account of all the fundamentalls of Religion and such points as are necessary to lead a life without scandall which yet are required as the ground of that judgement our adversaries will have to passe upon persons to be admitted members of the Visible Church but also under many sensible sinfull infirmities which may render them suspected to others to be no reall Saints may puzle others to passe judgement on them at least may put them to a suspence from passing a positive judgement upon them as true saints sealed of God for his by his Spirit And all such by Mr. Lockiers Doctrine must be held forth from the Visible Church and so from the benefit of all publick Ordinances the ordinary means of Salvation These two considerations I professe have been to me further motives to make me think the way held forth by this Doctrine concerning the qualification in foro Ecclesiae of Church members not to be of Christ it being so obstructive to the proper end and design of the setting up of the Ordinances and means of grace in the Church and contrary to Christs own way of dealing with souls and yet no cast-away or unregenerat man shall be excluded if he but be studied in tractates of theologie and can carie it fair before men as indeed hypocrisie may stand with great externall formalities of Religion in word and conversation section 30 There are two things I find may haply by said by the Brethren of this way in answer to this Argument 1. That such persons may be hearers of the Word tho they be not admitted members of the Visible Church we admit say they even infidels to the hearing of the Word To this I think Reverend Mr. Rutherfurd has said truely that to be admitted as ordinary hearers of the Word and Church prayers is a degree of admission to Church-membership and they who
are baptized and ordinarly hear and professe a willing mind to communicat with the Church in the Holy things of God they being not scandalously wicked ought to be admitted yea are members of the Visible Church But 2. To say that men are not members of the Visible Church and yet that they may be ordinary hearers of the Word according to your principles is but a fair word to make Children fain of nothing For say ye a Minister is a Minister only in relation to his particular flock and the members thereof therefore say I as a Minister he is to Preach the Word only to them and therefore he must sute his Preaching of the Word unto them that is unto men sealed of God by his Spirit so far as men very spirituall can discern and so as a Minister or a Ministeriall Preacher of the Word he is not obliged to bring any word for hearing for the case of that man that is not a member and so if that man hear ordinaâ—ly or at all tho he come to hâ—ar any Preaching of the Word fitted or prepared to do him good 't is more through hap then good guiding as we say or else you must say that a Minister when he is to Preach the Word he must prepare and study something as a Minister for Visible Church-members suteable to such and something to Preach as a privat gifted man for such as are without But 1. An ordinary Preacher of the Word as a privat Christian is a Preacher unknown to Scripture 2. And one and that same man Preaching at that same time as a Minister to some and as a privat man to other hearers is far more uncouth to cripture I beleeve a Minister by Scripture rule ought in his ordinary and publick Preaching of the Word to act and Preach as a Minister and to be wholly taken up with the work of his Ministry For to that he is appointed of God and commanded to look to and fulfill Eph. 4. 12. Collos 4. 17. 2 Tim. 4. 2. section 31 2. It is said by some of them that they will receive any in whom they see the least thing of Christ and therefore there is no such hazard of holding out persons that have not true grace in them To this that least thing of Christ is some outward evidence to ground a positive judgement that the man is Regenerat Now I inquire what is that least thing of Christ upon sight whereof you say you will receive men Is sober serious profession of the true Religion and faith of Christ and of subjecting a mans self to the Ordinances and Government of Christ sufficient to you that thereupon you will receive him Or must there be somewhat more to make it up If you said the former we were at agreement upon the mater about the qualification necessary in soro Ecclesiae for admitting of persons to be Church members but this you acknowledge not to be sufficient Let men thus seriously and soberly professe there must be a time for observing their conversation and their must be a tryall and searching into the experimentall work in their hearts Now if it must be somewhat more then that I enquire what is the least thing more We have seen before what they held forth in their rules of tryall and dare say yea thinks it were unchristian unwarrantable rigidnesse to say the contrary that there may be and are many honest sincere Converts in whom there is not to be seen by others and who cannot shew to others that which they hold forth as the least more then that which we have said and therefore still by their way many truly Regenerat may be held forth tho desirous of Church communion and offering subjection to the Word and Ordinances of Christ for my part I had rather twenty hypocrites were let in then that one gracious soul yea or Elect tho yet not Regenerat come this far on as to desire to be in and to professe subjection should be held forth and yet this accurate and pretended cleanly way of these Brethren tho it tend to exclude many who may be are truely Regenerat yet it may let in any unregenerat if they can but play the Hypocrite handsomely and have some Book-learned-knowledge section 32 Argument 7. Shall be taken from these descriptions of the Visible Church in the Word of God holding it forth to us frequently as a mixed society of good and bad under the similitudes of a barn floore wherein is an heap of wheat and chaffe Mat. 12. of a corn field wherein are growing together tares and wheat Chap. 13. 24. of a draw-net gathering in good fish and bad ibid. vers 47. c. and of a great house wherein are vessels of Gold and Silver and vessels of Wood and Earth 2 Tim 2. 21. I confesse this Argument hath not been well managed against the opposites which has given them occasion to slight it as proving nothing but what themselves grant For when no more is alledged from these places but that the Visible Church is such a society as even when rightly constitute there are in it a mixture of true beleevers and hypocrites they say they yeeld the Argument wholly that in the purest Visible Churches there may and will alwayes be a mixture of hypocrites with true beleevers and Saints de facto but that the Question is what sort of persons ought de jure to be admitted or permitted to be members of the Visible Church But the places duely pondered and considered together will afford us a more pungent Argument which will not leave open a way for such an escape We present it thus in form if the Lord himself describing the outward constitution of the Visible Church as to the mater whereof it consisteth not only holdeth it forth as a mixed society of some truely good and gracious and some bad unconverted and gracelesse ones But also declareth that his will is that his servants should not cast out of it all such as they conceive to be bad and unconverted but that they permit even such in the outward Visible Church leaving to himself to make the full separation of the one from the other Then it cannot be that by his apointment and institution it should be the necessary qualification of Visible Church-members in foro Ecclesiastico that they be all true converts and gracious ones at least so far as men can discern and judge this proposition if the consequence and connexion thereof hold good leaves no door open for the former escapes as is evident and I conceive that the connexion or consequence of it is undenyable because upon the supposition of the opposite of the consequent followes clearly the opposite of the antecedent that is to say if it were Christs institution and will that true grace at least so far as men can discern and judge should be the necessary qualification in foro Ecclesiastico of all Church-members it should clearly follow that it were his will and
Anabaptists whose Doctrine concerning the mater of a Church is the very same with his section 36 Having added some reasons from Scripture to these which Mr. Lockier was pleased to take into consideration besides which he may find sundry others in other Divines who have Written on this Subject as namely Reverend Mâ— Rutherfurd Apollonius his consideration of sundry Controversies c. and Spanhemius his Epistle to David Buchanan I might adde a large enough Catalogue of Testimonies from Orthodox Divines both ancient especially in their Writings against Novatians and Donatists and Moderne since Reformation of Religion from Poperie But being of the mind of that Reverend and Learned man who said he esteemed more of one Testimony of Scripture then of ten reasons and of one solid reason more then of ten humane testimonies I will spare to fill up Paper this way only this I may say that our opposites have the whole stream of Orthodox and Reformed Divines against them Let the Learned Ames a man in some other points too much inclining to the Independent Tenents speak for this Bellar. Enervat Tom. 2. lib. 2. c. 1. 11. 5. falsum est sayeth he internas virtutes equiri à nobis ut aliquis sit in Ecclesiâ quoad Visibilem ejus statum i. e. it s false that inward vertues or graces are required by us that one may be in the Church as to its visible state And he had good reason to say so for we shall find all Orthodox Reformed Divines alwise defining the Visible Church by outward Profession of the true Christian faith or Religion and externall communion in the Worship and Ordinances of God But never by inward holinesse and heart-conversion Thus I have done with Mr. Lockiers Lecture APPENDIX Wherein is Examined so much of that Letter Written by these of ABERDENE who lately have separated from this Church upon the INDEPENDENT grounds as relateth to the present Question touching the necessary qualification of Visible Church-members section 1 LAst Summer some persons Ministers and others in Aberdene did Write a Letter of the date 24. of May to some Godly men in the South declaring their separation from the communion of the Church of Scotland upon two points of Controversie between us and these of the Independent way viz. the constitution of the Visible Church and the Government thereof contrary to their solemn Vowes made to Almighty God in two Covenants the Nationall Covenant of this Kirk and the Solemn League and Covenant of the three Kingdomes and undertaken with so lemn declaration of their conviction in Conscience of the truth of Religion professed in this Church and under the pains of Gods everlasting wrath and of infamie and of losse of all honour and respect in this world if they should ever make defection from the same which curse I pray the God of all grace avert from them granting unto them Repentance and forgivenesse of their great sin through Jesus Christ section 2 It is not my purpose here to write an Examination of that whole Letter knowing some Godly and able men have done that sufficiently already to themselves whose pains I heartily wish the Lord may be pleased by his blessing yet to make effectuall upon the hearts of these men to reduce them from their errour into unity with this Church in his Truth from which they have departed I mind only to consider what new appearance of reason they bring touching these two points the qualification of Church-members and form of Government and shall speak to the former in this Appendix to the latter in another after our second Part of Mr. Lockiers Examination The cause why I do this thus apart in Appendices is partly because I was loath to interrupt so much the threed of Mr. Lockiers Examination Partly because it was long time and I had gone on a great way in that Examination ere a Copy of this Letter came to my hands Come we then to consider here what they say upon the first point section 3 Their Thesis is this To us it seemeth for ought we can search in the Word that none should be admitted constitute members of a Visible Church But such as with a profession of the truth joyn such blamelesse and Gospel-like behaviour as they may be esteemed in a rationall judgement of charity beleevers and their children On which I would represent these animadversions 1. A little before they expresse a restriction of this to Gospel Churches 1. As I conceive Churches of the New Testament for ought we understand say they the reall constitution of Gospel Churches c. Now as to this we desire these things propounded upon the same restriction made by Mr. Lockier before Sect. 2. may be considered 2. When as they speak of the members of a Church and not of the Church I would know whether they do acknowledge the being and unity of an Universall Visible Church or not If they acknowledge the being and essence thereof then why do they not define the qualification of members in relation to it but in relation to a Church i. e. a particular Congregation Is the necessary qualification of a member of the Visible Church Universall one thing and the necessary qualification of a member of this or that particular Congregation another and may one be fit to be a member of the Universall Visible Church and yet not qualified to be a member of a particular Congregation If they deny the being and unity of the Universall Visible Church which may be pâ—obably they do then I desire them in the fear of God to consider and if they can give us satisfactory answers to the weighty reasons from the Word of God brought by sundry late Divines particularly these of the Judicious and Learned Mr. Hudson in his late Treatises on that purpose to prove the being and unity thereof Which I am perswaded nor they nor any living man shall ever be able to do 3. When as they speak not simply of members but distinctly of constitute members none say they are to be admitted as constitute members of a Visible Church I would aske them what is the other part of the distinction What other members are there of the Visible Church unto which these constitute members are contradistinguished How are they called in their specification And what is their necessary qualification 4. When as they say that none are to be admitted constitute members but such as with a profession of the truth joyn such blamelesse and Gospel-like behaviour as they may be esteemed in a rationall charity beleevers i. e. true gracious beleevers with a saving faith 1. I would ask here why do they omit that part of the qualification required and made a part of the ground of esteeming persons beleevers by others of that way they have taken themselves to viz. a declaration of the experimentall work of effectuall vocation upon their heart and only mentioned the behaviour or conversation 2. Why have they not defined that blamelesse and
Gospel like behaviour which is requisite to be a ground of esteeming persons beleevers what at least is requisite and must concurre to make it up and lesse then which will not serve That so we might have the generall determinat rule whereby cognition is to be made and estimation to be passed upon all professours of the truth that they are beleevers or otherwayes For certainly while as they say but indefinitly such a blamelesse and Gospel behaviour and tells not what is requisite to make up such a behaviour they leave the mater in a mist of uncertainty and for ought we can see devolves the weight of that estimation upon mens apprehensions without a rule If they say they were writing an Epistle to friends and could not therein say all that is to be said in the mater I Answer that if they could have told it it might been said in short bounds and it was as necessary for clearing their mind to have been told as the Thesis they have set down it self But yet let them point us to such a rule in the Word if they know where it lyeth For my part I professe humbly I could never yet see in the Word of God an universall definite rule whereby judgement may and ought to be passed upon all and every professour of the truth by others that they are to be held for true beleevers or otherwise 5. When as in the designation of the persons that are fit to be admitted members of the Visible Church they with Parents joyn their children I do heartily acknowledge their Orthodoxy in this beyond others of that way who have omitted wholly that addition and wishes they may continue in that point of truth considering how easie it is as the Authors of that Epistle themselves may perceive by experience in others that went off with them first by that step they have gone on to slide into that other of excluding the Infants of beleevers from the Visible Church But now I would know whether they acknowledge such Infants members compleatly I mean in actu primo or not If they say the former they are at a disagreement with others of the Independent way If they say the latter then we must have another distinction of constitute members and so many sorts of members of the Visible Church and so also we must have many sorts of qualifications of members section 4 But now take the mater of the Thesis as it is that the necessary qualification to make one of years fit to be admitted a member of the Visible Church is together with profession of the truth such a conversation as may make a man to be esteemed i. e. positively judged a true beleever or Regenerat person I shall not here adde any new reasons to what I have brought before But shall come briefly to consider if these present Authors have brought any new strength of reason for that Tenet Only I would desire them in the fear and love of the truth to consider if they can find in the Word of God amongst all these many whose admission into the fellowship of the Visible Church of Christ is mentioned therein any instance of persons or one person who after their first professing Christian faith and Religion was what ever their behaviour and course had been before to that very time delayed of their admission to be Church-members untill they should be seen and found with that their profession to joyn such a blamelesse and Gospel-like behaviour as the Authors requires many of them no doubt untill that time had been of a very blameable and un Gospel behaviour and course of life And certain it is that to be seen joyning with profession of the truth an unblameable and Gospel-like behaviour requires some delay and length of time For my part I could never yet see any instance of this kind but on the contrary finds that persons as soon as they once embraced the profession of the Christian faith albeit to that very time their behaviour had been most blameable were forthwith baptized and so admitted members into the Christian Church Consider this I beseech you dear brethren if so ye will yet suffer your selves to be called and exhorted by me section 5 But now we come to the grâ—…nds of confirmation of their thesis Such say they were the Churches founded by the Apostles which ought to be paterns to us as appears by the title given to them Saints sanctified justified washed by the blood of Christ For Answer we refer to what we said before to that same inductive Argument in Mr. Lockier now in a word only to make this Argument good it must be alledged and made out not only that all and every one of the Churches founded by the Apostles at least such as are mentioned in Scripture were actually and defacto consisting of such members as were all and every one Saints justified c. in the positive judgement of charity But also were in their gathering constitute of all and every one formally considered and taken in under the notion of such upon tryall found and judged to be such But 1. 'T is not so much as alledged by the Authors that they were so gathered and constituted nor can these titles let them take them as they will import any thing of this 2. Nor suppose these titles should import that the Churchâ—… to which they are given were eventually consisting of such members as were all and every one such Does it follow that all and every one of the Churches founded by the Apostles were so I mean even such of them as are mentioned in Scripture Because these titles are not given unto all and every Church founded by the Apostles or Apostolicall men in the Apostles time We give instance of the Churches Smyrna Pergamus Thyatira Sardis Laodicea nay had the Authors duely considered what is said of these Churches Revel 2 and 3. I think they could not in reason said what they say here Nor 3. Doe these titles import necessarily that the Churches to which they are given did de facto and eventually consist of all and every one such These titles may and must at least of some of them be understood of their visible body synecdochically by a denomination taken from the better part as I would rather say of the body communiter confuse not universaliter section 6 The Authors of the Epistle touches not at the two former exceptions which yet are sufficient to overturn this Argument and I doubt not but one of the Authors he that as I conceive has been the Penner of this Epistle a man well enough acquainted in Argumentation and able to discern what may be alledged to be defective in an induction might well perceived but only labours to infring the third We cannot say they acquiesce to the common Answer that these expressions are to be understood of the better part Answ Yet as good and as judicious as you the whole stream of Interpreters untill Anabaptists
rationall obedience 3. That they joined their assent we shall not deny but the Question is what sort of assent whether authoritative and definitive◠〈◊〉 is not proven nor can be proven from the Text. Their â—…urring in sending Messengers proveâ— it not section 13 As to what followes of Mr. Lockiers words in this 8. SECT yet would they not leave c. 1. What he means by Presbyters Primats and these introduceing superintendents bringing in generall coercive Assem I confesse I understand not sure I am Presbyterians acknowledges no presbyters Primats nor superintendants either but that their way is very contrary to both 2. I confesse the Apostles in their practice in this Synod left no example introducing of a Pope but withall I think â—hey left an example for a Synod generall or particular wherein Church Rulers may juridically determine controversies in Religion according to the Word of God oblidging people to obedience under hazard of Ecclesiastick censure as shall be more cleared hereafter and that this does not supersede any power of people or particular Assemb of Saints privat beleevers that is competent to them by the grant and appointment of Jesus Christ I close this purpose of this Section with the words of the Learned Professours of Leiden Synop. Pur. Theol. Disp 49. de Concil Thes 29. Si ex Laicis cujuscunque status conditionis sunt viri pietate sacrarum rerum intelligentiâ sapientiâ prudentiâ modestiâ pacis studio mansuetudine insignes admitti accedere possunt sed vocati seu ab Ecclesiâ selecti missi iique suo ordine modo rogati sententiam dicere verumtamen ab illis in publicâ hâc actione consilium arbitrium potius quà m suffragium requiritur Adfuisse sanè plebem consilio Apostolis Presbyterisque adstitisse ut auditores testes silentio saltem suo si non voce approbatores fuisse consensumque praebuisse videre est Act. 15. Atque id etiam comprobat primarum probatarum Synodorum praxis usus ut in Concilio Carthaginensi sub Cypriano liqâ—et Interea tamen populo Christi maneâ— hâ—c suum ex divino Verbo judicium sed privatum â—e humana placita pro divinis accipiat Math. 7. 19. section 14 For hâ— 3. instance conceâ—ning elections of Officers we grant that election of Officers is to be done by the 〈◊〉 But election is no 〈◊〉 which was one of the thâ—… weighty things mentioned in 〈…〉 â—sseâ—…ion and repeated aâ—aiâ—… SECT 6. wherein he underâ—…k 〈…〉 â—hat the Elder 〈…〉 to exert power without the 〈◊〉 authoritative 〈◊〉 of the people not 〈◊〉 iâ— formally give the office power 〈…〉 signes the person to be invested 〈◊〉 the powâ—… by 〈…〉 be not one already ordained as 〈◊〉 â—he 〈◊〉 of thâ—s◠〈…〉 to be Deacons Acts 6. or applye◠〈◊〉 to exercise his 〈◊〉 in this particular charge if ordained and in office 〈◊〉 Nor is it any authoritative act of Government Ordination is done only by the Presbyters and Officers as thâ—… Deacons elected by the people were ordained not by them bâ—t by the Apostles section 15 His 4th instance is of ordination of Elders This we acknowledge to be a potestative act of Ecclesiastick authority and affirme that in Churches constitute and in the ordinary way of calling by Christs appointment in the Words belongs only to these who have Ecclesiastick Authority the Presbytery or Eldership Let 's see how Mr. Lockier shâ—weth us expresse Scripture that the people must joyntly concâ—r â—uthoritatively therein His first Scripture is Acts 1. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Communibus calculis simul suffragijs electus est By joynt voice was Matthias ordained to his place After the Lord had pointed out which of the two should be successor to Judas one would have thought that the Lord pointing out the man had been enough to formalize the mater And yâ—t lest this might prove a means to justle out the priviledge of the whole Church in matters of essentiall concernment after the Lords designation which was proper to him they joyntly take this designation and enstate him amongst them not by the suffrages of some but by the suffrages of the whole Church by preparing and drawing out of the whole to this particular work by the Apostle Peter who stood up in the midst of the Disciples the number being about an hundred and twenty and speaks of this mater joyntly to aâ—… Answ 1. Granting that by that word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 were signified an act of ordination performed upon Matthias formally constituting him an Apostle Yet there can be nothing brought out of the Text to prove that all the Church present concurred formally in that authoritative act Mr. Rutherfurds reasoning from the Text to the contrary to shew that it was only the Apostles is very considerable Due righâ— of Presbytery c. 8. pag. 1â—0 â—…eed not transcribe his grounâ—â—eâ— Mr. Lockier answâ—… 〈◊〉 What he brings is either 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 sufficient to prove his point oâ— an addition unto or rather a corrupting of the Text or a begging of â—he Question 1. That the whoâ—e hundred and twentie were drawn out to this Work and Peter spaâ—e 〈◊〉 them all â—bout the mater and told them that one amongst them must begâ—…en â—s a poor Argument to prove that all were to act formally in the authoritative act of the ordination of the man They might all be called out to the Work and Peter might speak to them all and yet not all of them be there in one and the same capacity as to â—…at Work But some as witnesses and consenters some as formall actors 2. That Peter in his speach said to all that one of them might be chosen by them i. e. all of them This is a plain addition unto or corrupting of the Text wherein there is no such thing Peter sayeth of these men that hath companied with us must one be ordained to be a witnesse he sayeth not must be ordained by you 3. When he sayeth they appointed they gave forth their loâ—… they numbered meaning as he doth they all the hundred and twenty he begs the thing in Question But 2. I confesse I never thought that in this place was held forth an ordination performed by men at all People or Apostles I find learned Mr. Caudry of the same judgement Vindic. Clav. pag. 28 29. whose solide considerations I present here That place Act. 1. was not an ordinary case wherein the people had little or no hand I adde the Apostles themselves had little or no hand For 1. they were confined to some sort of men that had conversed with our Saviour 2. They propounded two it was not in their power so much as to nominate the particular man 3. The Lord himself determined it and not the Apostles much lesse the People As for that word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 stood upon as Master Lockier also stands upon it it cannot be properly taken as if they by their votes or suffrages
but in his immediatly preceeding words he has done that the decrees of this Synod were binding only materially as matters revealed in the Scripture and not formally can withall Answer this Question affirmatively that this Synod had an authoritative power as such an Ordinance as a Synod Erit mihi magnus Apollo nay I shall say Mr. Lockier can make contradictories agree well enough See we then his Answ to this A forrain Eldership rightly constituted hath particular authority i. a power of preheminent and prevailing counsel though not a power of jurisdiction to constrain their results to be practised or to censure Ecclesiastically in case persons who have the result of things produced by them do not follow them They have as an Ordinance of God a power of preheminent and prevailing counsel That is their result ought to be preferred and prevail more upon our hearts then what Interpretation other single persons and ordinary helps ordinarily afford Answ First here ere I come to the main businesse note shortly some few things 1. We never attributed authority to a forrain Eldership over any persons or Churches Mr. Lockier here saying that a forrain Eldership hath peculiar authority if his meaning be according to his words if he understand authority indeed that is an Eldership extrinsecall to Churches yet hath peculiar authority over them goeth farther then ever Presbyterians did and indeed goeth clearly contrary to truth and in terms speaketh very like the Prelatick way which attributed to a forrain Eldership the Prelate and his Cathedrall authority over all the Churches in the Diocaese But indeed his words and his sense agree not For his peculiar authority is no authority as we shall see anone 2. We say yet it is but an odious feigned description of that power of jurisdiction we attribute to Synods and other associated Presbyteries when it is called a power to constrain their results to be practised as we have discovered it before 3. It is yet a grosser misrepresentation that we attribute unto such Presbyteries a power to censure persons Ecclesiastically in case they have the result of things produced by them and do not follow them Did ever any Persbyterian say such a thing as this that a Synod or Presbytery has power to censure persons who have their results by them and does not follow them For example that a Synod in Scotland hath power to censure persons in England or France that have their results by them and does not follow them or that any Presbytery hath power to censure persons of the Church within the bounds of their association who may be have their resultâ— by them and not follow them If this has been said out of a mistake and ignorance we pity it and wishes the Author to know our Doctrine better ere he take upon him to represent it to others If it has been of purpose to render our Doctrine odious let his own conscience judge what sort of dealing this is section 13 But to come to the purpose in hand Mr. Lockiers clear and plain answer at last to this place of Act. 15. 28. is that that Synod exercised no power of jurisdiction but a power of counsell or advice only He calls it indeed a peculiar authority But when he makes it to be but counsell that is to give it a bare name for credits sake And to deny it the thing of that name Counsell or advice is but an act of charity and if good of wisdom and prudence and not of authority 'T is no other act but that which one man may do to a Church one brother to another one woman to another yea as Mr. Rutherfurd saith Abigail to David a maid to Naaman That the Author saith it is a power of preheminent and prevailing counsell that it ought to prevail more upon our hearts than the interpretation of single persons and ordinary helps availeth not For preheminent counsell is still but counsell and so that which is attributed to the Synod differeth no wayes from that which is competent to any single persons to do or one sister and equall Church to another but only gradually And suppose a company of Christians Pastors or others met together not Synodically being persons of known piety and understanding in maters of Religion their counsell would be such a preheminent and prevailing counsell that it ought to be preferred and prevail more with our hearts then the interpretation of single persons So hereby there is no peculiar authority or power granted to that Synod as such an Ordinance of God If yet it shall be said that their counsell is preheminent and prevailing ought to prevail more upon our hearts c. not only upon this ground that they are many pious and understanding men and liker to find out the minde of God in his Word then single persons But also because they are such an institute meeting a Synod To this I cannot see how Mr. Lockier can say this having but now told us that the decrees of the Synod bind materially as being the will of God but not formally as the result of the Presbytery For what else is it to say that their results ought to prevail more upon our hearts because the result of such men as a Synod but that they are binding formally as the results of the Synod 2. If there be a preheminency or power of prevailing in the decree of a Synod so that there is an obligation upon our hearts to be more prevailed with over and above that preheminency and power of prevailing which is in the counsâ—l of a company of pious and understanding men met occasionally not in a Synod which certainly ought to be preferred and to prevail more with our hearts then the interpretation of single persons I would ask what is that different power if it be not a juridicall power and consequently of censure upon disobedience For if it shall be said it is not juridicall power but only dogmaticall or doctrinall then I say this is competent to every single Pastor For a truth of the Gospel taught and delivered by a single Pastor ought to be beleeved and obeyed i. e. bindeth to obedience and faith not only because it is Gospel but because it is doctrinally taught by a Minister and so that preheminent and prevailing power shall differ from the power of a single Pastor but only gradually and is the very same in kinde and so no peculiar authority or power of a Synod as such an Ordinance of God But now whereas Mr. Lockier asserteth that this Synod at Jerusalem Act. 15. had not nor did exercise a juridicall power but only a power of counsell or advice We assert the contrair which is abundantly proven by sundry learned Writers treating upon this subject and maintained against all Objections made to the contrair by Opposites We refer the Reader for satisfaction to these namely Mr. Gillespy Assert of the Govern of the Church of Scotl. Part. 2. c. 8. Aarons Rod Book 2. c. 9. Arg.
offended and to esteem and account as we do a sentence of non-Communion by them by Churches against us upon such scandals wherein they are not satisfied an heavy and sad punishment and to be looked upon as a means to humble us and an Ordinance of God to reduce us If those men pillars of the Independent way had accounted as Mr. Lockier does Presbyterian Churches to be idolatrous would they have professed to hold retain such Communion with them Nay do they not themselves alledge all these things as Arguments to evidence that they are far from the mind of those who accounts them false Churches All this say they is more then as if in nothing they were to be complyed with nor their Churches to be communicated with in any thing which should argue Church Communion more is said and done by those who account them false Churches section 3 His second obj Sect. 49. Answ Sect. 50. is but a fiction set up by himself that he may seem at least to gain a victory We use not to reason so many has been converted under Presbyteriall Government doth not this seal it to be of God We know many have been and doubts not but some are at this day converted under Papall Government which is very Antichristianisme But this Sr we tell you that Presbyteriall Government in the exercise thereof has been the blessed means under God of Converting souls reduceing them from their sinfull wayes to God and his Son Christ Jesus the terrour of evill doers the preserver of his Church the Hedge that has guarded the Vineyard of the Lord from Foxes the very Hammer of Errours Haeresies and Haereticks and therefore is so much at this day maligned and hated of all such that in these lamentable times has turned aside unto their loose and erroneous wayes 'T is true Presbyterians takes it for no good Argument to prove Episcopall Government to be of God that many were Converted under it and believes it was a Government of mans invention Yet Presbyterians never thought of Churches under Episcopall Government in which the truth of the Gospel was Preached and Sacraments administred according to Christs institution for their substance as you think of Presbyteriall that they were false Churches But something more of this in considering his next Objection and Answ thereunto which fully unbowels the Authors design against Presbyterian Churches section 4 The Objection he frameth to himself is this But many Godly being in the Presbyterian way is it not more proper to purge then to pull down all To make use of the root and not up with root and branch To which his Answer in summe is that it was just so objected by the Godly in England when the Presbyterians would have down with our Episcopall Church But it behoved to be up root and branch So must now the Presbyterian The Lords controversie has come about to it and means the same And thereupon he gives his plain and faithfull warning to his dear Brethren Does this man know of what spirit he is To speak so Edomitelike of all Presbyterian Churches Down with them raze them to the ground up with root and branch of them Hoc Ithacus velit magno mercentur Atridae I think the man has wished a peece of acceptable service to Antichrist and his father the Devil Lord grant him mercy of it 'T is none of our pleading for the Presbyterian way that many godly being in it therefore simply purging of Presbyterian Churches were more proper then rooting up and pulling down all If any man Sir has come to reason with you thus poorly for Presbyterian Churches we doubt not but ere that time he has dealt treacherously against the truth We tell you the Presbyterian way is Gods way instituted in his Word the contrary whereof you but beggingly suppose in framing your Objection but has not nor ever will prove Yet this we affirme that albeit there be in Churches corruptions not only in the conversations of many persons but also in some things in the Worship and Ordinances yet if they be not such corruptions as everts and destroyes the foundation and substance of Religion But there is therein the substance of the Gospel orthodoxly Preached the Sacraments for their substantialls agreeable to their institution the way to be kept is purge out the old leaven And there is neither in Old nor in New Testament warrand for separating from or pulling down and rooting up such Churches And as to that Mr. Lockier alledgeth that Presbyterians would have down Episcopall Churches Either he has not understood or misrepresented Presbyterians mind in that matter Indeed Presbyterians were zealous to have the corrupt office of Prelacy plucked up root and branch because a plant that God had never planted in his Church and could not hear of a purging or circumcising of it that some would been at by clipping from them officialls and such other appendicles and limiting them thus and thus But that the whole frame of Churches that were under Prelaticall government should be razed down to the ground pluckt up root and branch cast all in a heap of ruine that out of the ruines thereof their should been picked out here and there some stones to build up new Churches it never entered in the thoughts of some Presbyterians Nay but on the contrary even in the time that Prelats possessed their Government sound Presbyterians as with the one hand they did fight against Prelats the corrupt Officers So did they at that same time with the other hand against Separatists with whom Mr. Lockier here agrees maintaining the Churches of England to be true Churches from whose communion it was not lawfull to separat Witnesse amongst sundry others that grave and judicious peece written by sundry non-conforme Divines jointly in the times of Prelats and published by Mr. Rathband An. 1604. section 5 But Mr. Lockier in his SECT 53. goes about to prove that it is not purging that must be applyed to Presbyterian Churches but they must be pulled down and pluckt up root and branch or utterly separated from His discourse in summe commeth to this much When the forme of Churches or their matter is right tho many things may be done amisse then purging may be used but when matter and forme both are corrupt and naught as it is in Presbyterian Churches For forme knit by situation and by forrain forinsecall Elderships For matter three parts of four naught prophane Atheists of Elders and people So that the Church state is quite dead 'T is not a man but a carcase not a Church but a nest of unclean birds a den of theeves to depart is proper But to talk of purging such the dead is discourse full of weaknesse if not of unwillingnesse to see and censure our own shame â—…sw Verily Sr I am of the mind that any judious man that reads your discourse in this Section will account it such as is full of that which ye charge on others weaknesse
no other means of dealing against them but by the Word and other spirituall Ordinances if you do not give a toleration to them let all men of common sense judge the Passages of Scripture hinted at by the Author for putting a colour upon this opinion of his are miserably abused For the former the parable of the tares I refer the Reader to Mr. Rutherfurd For the latter Zachar. 4. 6. Not by might nor by power but by my Spirit saith the Lord of Hosts Certain it is from the whole context that the Lords meaning there is this Because the people lately returned from Baylon and now imployed in the work of building the Temple were much discouraged in the prosecution of the work by the thoughts of the greatnesse of the work of the greatnesse of the power and opposition of their enemies and of their own weaknesse he would have them to know that it was not by the power of the creature but by his own power that that work was to be carried through and that therefore they ought not to be discouraged seeing his power was sufficient to bear down and remove the greatest impediments and to make the weakest means effectuall to accomplish the work 5. It is true that the word and other Ordinances are mighty through God to cast down strong imaginations of vain men but is it therefore a good Argument and Consequence the Word of God and other Ordinances are mighty through God to cast down such strong imaginations as Haereticall Doctrines Ergo the Civil Magistrate has nothing to do to suppresse the teaching of them by his Sword and power If so then it will as well follow he has nothing to do to suppresse or punish the out-breakings of carnall lusts in adulteries thefts murders c. Why For I beleeve the Word and other Ordinances of God are mighty through God to cast down these as well as the other The Author addeth Order is but making to in Church and State and therefore things are but disorderly in this Nation Warres make Lawes mute Answ 'T is well that at last he acknowledges that it is so that errours are tolerat for that is the charge he is answering to and that this is disorderly which yet how it can consist well with what he hath now been saying in the preceeding words I see not but if the excuse for this be relevant I leave it to God and all judicious indifferent men knowing the progresse of matters these ten or twelve years and what ought to have been done and might have been done had men been willing to have it done for setling truth and removing things contrary to sound Doctrine as was undertaken by Covenant and Oath to the most high God to be done section 17 He shutteth up all thus SECT 58. Finally Christians take this answer to all that may be further objected To be enquiring is honourable but to be ever learning and never practising is dangerous It was an heavy curse that Jeremiah wished upon himself Jerem. 20. 17. It is an heavy curse indeed upon that poor soul concerning whom it may be said the womb of truth is alwayes great with him alwayes in pangs and throws with him but cannot bring forth Forsooth Sir you have soon done with it We must take this for answer to all that may be further objected against that you have been pleading for Stand not upon these Objections but fall to practice down with our Church Government and Churches to the ground this to my conception is the scope of these words else I confesse I understand them not sure this man has had a wonderfull conceit of what he has been saying in this debate that thinks we should all be so convinced hereby of the truth of that which he has been pleading for that tho we had twenty Objections moe against it then he has touched as indeed we have many yet we should step over all and do what he biddeth us I will crave leave to say it I think no man of understanding beside himself will have such a conceit of it As for us we tell him we are not now to be enquiring about the matter he has been Disputing against I mean whether it be truth or if the contrary maintained be him be truth We have declared before God Angels and the World that the Religion established in this Church by the mercy of God in Doctrine Worship and Government of the Church is the truth of God taught in his Word and we are sure it is so and as we are bound by the will of God and our vowes and Covenants to abide in the profession and practice of this truth So we trust that God will establish our hearts with his grace to abide therein As for such as are fallen away from it we lament their case that if they have been moved by any of these things presented by this Author that they should kythed so ready to be turned about with every wind of doctrine the God of grace awaken them to remember whence they have fallen to repent and do their first works Amen APPENDIX Wherein is Examined what is said in the forementioned letter of the new Independents of Aberdene for the Independent Congregationall and against the Presbyteriall way of Church-Government section 1 THese Authors usher in what they say on this purpose with this preface Touching Presbyterian Government indeed when thoughts of Questioning it were first born in upon us we did a long time suppresse them as tentations Because we had so solemnly though too implicitely engaged to the maintenance thereof Yet afterwards knowing that Truth cannot losse by a search we brought the maters to the ballance of the Sanctuarie And now after seeking of God as he was pleased to give us grace and using all helps which we could have we professe so far as we can see with reverence to precious and learned men of another judgement the Congregationall way comes nearer to the paterne of the Word then the Classicall forme And to us it appears c. section 2 Indeed when these thoughts were born in upon them they had just cause to look upon them as tentations and for ought that they have brought for justifying them here they may justly yet look upon them as tentations as we trust shall appear in the consideration thereof But here 1. It may be just mater of enquiry to others and haply may be of good purpose to themselves to reflect and consider when these thoughts began first to be born in upon them at least when they began to out any thing of them Did we hear any thing of such thoughts in them but since the late great revolution of State in this Kingdom after Worcester and how soone thereafter did we hear of them by some of the number although others thought fit to suppresse them some longer This may seem to be ground of searching of heart which is deceitfull above measure 2. It seemeth by the Authors own
confession that the bearing in of these thoughts upon them at first has been from no good cause or principle Not from the Spirit of God unlesse they will say it has been by an immediate impulse or Enthusiasme For say they it was after a long times suppressing of them that they began to consult with the Word of God about them for that is as I conceive to bring them to the ballance of the Sanctuary 3. If implicitely they engaged themselves to the maintenance of the Government desined and settled in this Church sure then if they will reflect upon the nature and tenor of the engagement they may find themselves to have committed in the very act more sin than they insinuate here or I will name For let them look back again unto the Nationall Covenant and they shall find that they not only engaged themselves to the maintenance of the Religion professed in this Church in all the points thereof But also declared and protested themselves under Oath after due Examination of their own consciences in maters of true and false Religion to be throughly resolved of the Truth thereof by the Word and Spirit of God and therefore to believe with their hearts confesse with their mouth and subscribe with their hands I do indeed â—ear that many did run unto that Engagement without such conviction of mind upon clear warrand of Gods Word found by Examination of the maters And as to do this with so solemne and dreadfull an attestation of God that they did it upon conviction of conscience was horrible guiltinesse So it may wel be apprehended that God in his holy judgement has suffered many for the discovery of the falshood of their hearts may be in mercy to some may be in wrath to others to revolt from these their former Engagements I wish from my heart these Brethren so I will yet call them if they will yet be so called by us if it be true which they say now that they engaged implicitely whereas they protested before God that they did it upon through conviction they would consider this lay it to heart and yet againe bring their present way to the ballance of the Sanctuary I have been with others witnesse of some who having engaged in the cause of God in these lands and caried themseves therein for a long time resolutely and actively and having afterward foully lapsed into contrary courses when they have been brought to Repentance for their backsliding Have declared that they found that their back-sliding had arisen from this that their engaging in the cause at first and going on in it formerly was not upon conviction from grounds of the Word of God but implicitely and for by and extrinsecall respects 4. It is not competent to me to question nor will I question their diligence in seeking of God when they began to enquire about this matter tho it be a thing usuall now-a-dayes for men to set out naughtiest wares with this inscription after seeking of God but as for using of all helps they could have to be cleared I think some thing may be questioned For besides helps of mens Writings upon this purpose might they not have used the help of the advice of the Judicatories of this Kirk and represented the grounds of their doubting to some of them Acts of Generall Assemblies require this that before men vent any innovations in matters of Religion they should first peaceably represent their Reasons to the publick Judicatures And albeit they may haply say that the very matters they were questioning was the Authority of these Judicatories Yet humility if they had not overweening conceits of their own wits above the judgement of these Judicatures and charity if they had so much as they ought towards the Church wherein they were born baptized instructed some of them had been for some years Ministers and acting in association in the established Judicatures thereof might it seemeth led them to so much But if they accounted the Judicatures unworthy the consulting with might they not have used the help of conference with some of these precious and learned men whom they professe to reverence If they did consult with any of them before they were determined in the matter yea before they did vent their new judgement is more then I know or can learn But come we to their determination and the confirmation of it section 2 So far say they as we can see the Congregationall way comes nearer to the patern of the Word then the Classicall form Here it may be asked why they say only that the Congregationall way comes nearer to the patern and not simply that it is the way conform to the patern of the Word What does the Congregationall way it self come somewhat short of the patern and is there a third way distinct both from it and the Classicall that comes full up to it Is there here a reservation for a further light It may be we may hear somewhat of this ere all be done But go we on to their desinition or proposition of the Congregationall way To us say say it appeareth that Christ hath furnished a Congregation with their Eldership with compleat power of Jurisdiction and censure within themselves There are here two things asserted by the Authors which accordingly they intend to prove by their two Arguments respectivè afterward built upon the passage of Scripture which they cite 1. That by Christs appointment the power of Ecclesiastick jurisdiction and censure is in the Congregation i. e. the body of privat professours and the Eldership jointly both being to concur formally in the acting thereof and not only in the Eldership 2. That any one single Congregation with its Eldership has compleat power of jurisdiction and censure within it self supreamly and without subordination to any larger or superiour Preâ—…yterie But for further clearing of their minde here it were requisit they should explain these two things to us 1. Whom they mean by the Congregation contradistinguished from the Eldership whether the whole collection of Church-members or only men and those of years of discretion If the former then Women and Children must be joint with the Eldership in the power of jurisdiction and censures If this be their minde we would know it and they would speak it plainly If the latter then it is not the Congregation but some part of the Congregation with the Eldership that has the power of jurisdiction and censure or else Women and Children are not parts constituent of the Congregation and then let them tell me where shall they find the name of the Church in all the Gospel in this notion taken for the Eldership with the â—ale-professours of adult years excluding Women and Children 2. Suppose the whole Eldership of a Congregation be scandalous and censurable who has the power of jurisdiction and censure to exercise toward them If jurisdiction and censure should be exercised towards them as I suppose it should be who has it and
〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 raised by the false Teachers branding them with the black mark of liers subverters of souls and troublers of the Church This was a degree of censure and a virtuall admonition tending to further censure But actually to have proceeded further to Excommunication at first was not seasonable prudent nor needfull 4. If people and private Brethren were in that Synod as we deny not but they might be their interest in the determinations and consultations of the Synode was not by way of authoritative and definitive vote But at most consultative and by way of private consent and approbation as we cleared before against Mr. Lockier 5. That recommendation of obedience to the acts of that Synode from the goodnesse and benefite thereof expressed in the close of the Synodicall letter doth not argue their constitutions not to have been made and enjoined by an authoritative power obleiging under hazard of censure The most authoritative acts of any juridicall Court being sent in a respective way may be so recommended in such a way Neither that that in the constitutions of that Synode there is not an expresse and formall threatning of those that disobey with censure doth import by any necessity of consequence that the power they exercised was not authoritative and such as might proceed to censure Juridicall courts do not alwayes adde to their constitutions expresse and formall comminations of punishment Here especially it was not necessarie it being a clear case in it self that those Hareticks and Schismaticks who could by no other means be reduced were not to be suffered but censured and cast forth section 10 Now is this which we have been considering the pith and strength of the grounds whereupon these Authors have not only adventured themselves to desert and separate from this Church But also have darred to advise the Brethren to whom they directed their Epistle to appear with them upon the head of the businesse that is to put to their hands as chief actours to throw down to the ground that beautifull order of Government in this Church by the Officers of Jesus Christ appointed to rule his Church on earth in Congregationall and Classicall Presbyteries Synodes Provinciall and Nationall ordered in a sweet and excellent subordination among themselves which was after the first Reformation upon much deliberation for many years settled in the Church as warranted and grounded upon the Word of God was afterward when opposed born down and oppressed sealed by many precious servants of Jesus Christ with bitter and grievous sufferings of Imprisonment Banishment and even sentences unto death which the only hand of God restrained from being put in execution and was again by the good hand of God upon his people in this land after long oppression under Prelacie raised up has been attested by forraine Divines and Churches as the true Government of Jesus Christ in his Visible Church has been alwayes the hammer to break wickednesse and prophanitie and the hedge to keep out Errours Haeresies and Schismes made this Church against all evil doers and enemies of truth terrible as an Armie with Banners which at this day is the eye sore of all the Sects and Hereticks of the times the butt of Satans malice to throw down and raze this to the ground which some of the same Reverend men to whom they wrote have through the grace of God to their praise in all the Churches Vindicated against all enemies thereof upon one hand and other and stand engaged by solemne vows and the dreadfull Oath of God to maintain and defend to their lives end to set up I wot not what and I think the Authors themselves wots not what and if they do not this to threaten them with the streaching out of GODS hand and to lay upon them the horrid imputation of being snares to GODS people O Lord how terrible are thy judgements in these times as upon outward things so upon the Spirits of men while men are thus caried about with every winde of Doctrine What need have these that professe the Truth to take heed that they have received it in love lest they be given up to believe lies section 11 The Authors adde only That there might be somewhat said from antiquity that the Government of the Church was partly Aristocraticall partly Democraticall in much of the first three hundred years and that the people had no small influence in maters of Discipline but that they forbear as desiring to leane on a surer foundation Answ What they have produced of this surer foundation i. e. the Holy Scâ—ipture to leane themselves upon in their departure from the Church of God in this land wee have seen and how little ground it affords to sustain them we have seen too I wish from my heart they had brought somewhat also though it had been but a little of that which they alledge may be said from antiquitie of these ages for their tenent of Church Government For in truth we professe our selves to be such as reverence very much under the Holy Scriptures which wee leane to only as the foundation of our faith in all maters of Religion the testimonie of the Orthodox Churches in these ages Mr. Lockier as we saw before undertook somewhat of this before magno hiatu under the name of common consent but what he produced to instruct it may blush before all men that has any wit and are not stark fools And I am perswaded what these Authors would have produced had they assayed it should have proven as little to their purpose section 12 There are two main points whereof the Independent Government consists 1. That the power of Ecclesiastick jurisdiction is in and formally to be exercised by the communitie of Professours if not wholly and by themselves yet jointly with the Elders and Officers they as well as the Elders concurring authoritatively in all acts of Government and jurisdiction 2. That there is not any larger Judicatories or Assemblies Ecclesiastick than of a single Congregation whether Classicall Presbyterie or Synod juridicall But that the Judicatorie of every single Congregation is the supreme Ecclesiastick juridicall court upon earth Independent upon and without subordination to any larger or Superiour Ecclesiastick Judicatorie They grant indeed some sort of Synods but denude them of all authoritative and juridicall power over particular Churches leaving them only power of advice and counsell or at most a dogmaticall power to determine cases and questions in Religion but without power authoritatively to enjoine their determinations upon particular Churches so as to obleige them to be censurable in case of disobedience or to inflict any censure at all upon offenders section 13 Now 1. suppose which yet cannot be granted that somewhat might be brought from antiquitie to shew that there was in the Government of the Church then a mixture of Aristocracie and Democracie and that the people had some influence in the exercise of Government Yet none dare be so impudent as
de ritibus circa claves and you will finde that the judiciall power of Discipline was not common to the people but proper to the Ministers only some interest therein was for honours sake given to Martyres 2 As to that cited from Whittaker that learned Theologue himself in the words immediatly going before these cited clears in what respect it is that he sayes the Government of the Church was alwayes in part Democraticall when he saith Si totum corpus Ecclesiae n. volumus respicere quatenus in electione Episcoporum Presbyterorum suffragia serebat ita tamen â—t 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 semper à Presbyteris servaretur Democraticum So then he calls it partly Democraticall in this respect that the people had vote in the election of their Ministers which we grant the people ought to have and if any will in this respect call the Government of the Church in part Democraticall we shall not contend about the name only we will say that the election of Ministers being no more but the nomination or designation of a person to the Ministry is no proper or formall act of authoritative power The other Objection made use of is from Cyprian Lib. 1. Epist 1â— in Pamel Ord. Epist 6. Ad id verò quod scripserunt mihi Donatus Fortunatus Novatus Curdius solus rescribere nihil potuiâ— quando à primordio Episcopatus mei statuerim nihil sine Consilio vestro sine consensu plebis * Pamâ—meae privatâ sententiâ meâ privatim sententiâ gerere Answ How far that grave pious and zealous ancient was from the Independent way of Church Government amongst many places in his Writings that one famous Passage in Lib. 1. de Vnitate Ecclesiae doth abundantly demonstrate and cleareth as with Sun-shine Loquitur Dominus ad Petrum Ego dico tibi c. to these words Hanc Ecclesiae unitatem And again a litle after from these words quam unitatem firmiter tenere c. to these quomodo Solis multi radii This place as it hews down the Antichristian Papall Monarchy so it is a clear testimony against popular and supream Independent Government in a single Congregation while as therein the Author so clearly asserteth the power of the Keyes to have been given by Christ and put in the hands of the Apostles in an equall society of honour and power 2. That there is one Catholick Visible Church and that this Catholick Church is but one charge Vnus Episcopatus cujus à singulis in solidum pars tenetur And that unitatem hanc firmiter tenere vindicare debent Episcopi qui in Ecclesiâ praesident ut Episcopatum quoque ipsum unum etque indivisum probent Then which nothing could be said more forcibly against that crumbling of the Church into so many single Congregations Independent in themselves and without all union and conjunction in point of Government But to the place in hand cited from Epist 10. lib. 3. Gulartius and Junius Notes on the place clear the matter well for us Nempe agebatur de aliqua electione quam Cypriano quidam è Presbyterio suggesseraâ— eo quod Ecclesia ex persecutionibus parte sui Presbyterii destituta esset Respondet nihil se in hac causa unquam facere voluisse quin Presbyterii Consilium plebis consensum adhiberet But what is the place and part of the people in election we controvert not Nay we say with the same Ancient Lib. 1. Epist 4. Quando ipsa plebs maxime habeat potestatem vel eligendi dignos sacerdotes vel indignos recusandi And as he sayes afterward Eligendus Episcopus immaculatus integer praesente plebe c. But shew me a place in that Writer ascribing to the people formall concurrence with the Officers of the Church in any juridicall authoritative Acts of Government as in Ordination of Ministers sentencing persons to censure to Excommunication and absolving from Excommunication judiciall and definitive determination of controversies in Religion But now this Book having grown to bignesse beyond my intention at first I will insist no further but leave these Brethren I have been last speaking with my hearty desire to God on their behalf that he would shew them mercy to remember from whence they have fallen repent and do their first works FINIS