enemies to Christianity acknowledg but besides their Testimony which being from adversaryes is vâ—â—y cogent we have the tradition of the Catholick Church in all ages and most places of the world for 1600 years and upwards and as he that will go up by the side of the River will at last come to the head and fountain of it so he that shall ascend through the several Centuries of the Church will at last infallibly come to the head of it Christ Iesus to the place of his Nativity his Preaching and mighty Works that he did his bitter death and bloody passion or if he shall descend from Christ through the same Centuries down to this present time he may be farr more certain of the birth and life and works and sufferings of this our bessed Saviour of the writings of the Holy Evangelists and Apostles then that there have been such men in the world as Alexander the great Iulius Caesar Pompey Scipio Hannibal of the Warrs and noble Acheivements managed by them of William the Conquerour the Barons warrs and yet none but a fool or a mad man or one that has vowed to believe no farther then what he can see with his own eyes will doubt of these for that the tradition which conveys the same of these Worthies and their Actions down unto us is nothing so general as that of the Catholick Church neither is it at all practical but purely historical wherein we are not at all concerned whether or no the things reported of those noble warriours be true or false Dub. He that will not assent to what is delivered by universal Tradition takes away the use of one of the most noble Sciences in the world viz. History and wants rather a Cudgel then an Arguâ—ent to confute him T is evident by undeniable tradition that there were such persons as Christ and his Apostles that thay did great and marveilous things but how shall we know whether the works which they did were true miracles surely t is very difficult to know what is true and what is an imposture Firm. Thô at present this may appear difficult to you yet I hope I shall make this difference as manifest to you as is that which is betwixt Gold and drosse And here I will not trouble you with the niceties of the schoolemen betwixt mirum miraculum that a true miracle is arduum insoliâ—um supra vim naturae hard unusuall and above the powèr of nature that it differs from a â—alse one in the efficient material and formall cause which is ignotum per ignotius But to wave such subtilties a true miracle may be known from a false one 1. By the successe as Exod. 7.12 t is said Aarons rod swallowed up those of the sorcerers and in the primitive times t is cleare how the miracles wrought by the Apostles swallowed up in effect all false ones â—one by satanâ— Instruments how notwithstanding all those lying wonders wrought by Simon Magus Apollonius and others the prejudicating world was brought over from Idolatry and superstition to embrace poor persecuted Christianity by those true miracles which otherwise had been the greatest miracle in the world 2. A true miracle may be known from that which is a jugle or imposture by the design or end of it which is for the confirmation of a divine revelation to bring men over to the worship of the true God to propagate the true Religion the end of false ones is to draw men from this worshâ—p which note of difference God himself has stamp'd upon false miracles Deut. 13 Dub. But doe not you now run into the same erroâ—r which you so lately condemned in others for by what you have said I must first know which is the true Religion before I can know which is a true miracle and surely then there will be no use of miracles to confirme me in the truth of what I knew before Firm. there is a mutuall confirmation betwixt the true religion and a true miracle true Religion does give light to miracles these do seal and confirm that Religion We see that all discursive knowledge does arise from some precedent knowledge untill we ascend to such principles that are clear to the light of nature now evident it is to natural reason that there is a God Creatour of all things that there is but one God that this one God ought to be religiously worshipped the intelligent and learned heathens have acknowledged all these Again 't is evident that there were never but four general Religions in the world Paganisme Turcisme Judaisme and Christianity and I think I have already made it manifest that of all these Religions none is so râ—tional or such a reasonable service as is that of the Christian which for the substance of it is the oldest of all others being the same which was practised by the fathers both before and after the flood for the spirituality morality and unity of the God heaâ— worshipped 't is excellent beyond all others most agreeable to the Common principles and notices of the reasonable Soul Here upon any serious sober man may conclude that all these miracles which have been â—ttempted to draw men from Christianity are but mere impostures and those that have been wrought for the confirmation of it wherein one true God of infinite majesty wisdome power and glory is worshipped in spirit and truth are the only true miracles Dub. Pray Sir excuse me this unnecessary trouble which I have given you for by what you had said before concerning the supereminent excellency of the Christian Religion above all others I might have seen the force of your reasoning which as I conceive stands thus If the Christian Religion be the only tâ—ue Religion then those miracles which were wrought for the Confirmation of it are the only true miracles Firm. You rightly conclude I shall therefore proceed to the third note or marke of a true mirâ—cle and that is the effect and consequent of such a miracle which is the drawing of the mind from sin to God the primitive Christians much insisted on this as an undoubâ—ed evidence of tâ—e miracles wrought by Christ that they were done by divine power because the effect that followed them was the worke of conversion of Souâ—â— from sin and Idoâ—s to Goâ— and Christ and all true piety and holinesse of life they tended mainly to the overthrow of Satans Kingdome Christ by his miracles did not only disposesse Satan out of mens bodies but out of his Temples upon this accouâ—t he convinces the Scribes and Pharises of most irrational blasphemy when they objected against him that he did cast out devills by the power of the devill but he replyed every Kingdome divided against it selfe cannot stand Mat. 12.25 Besideâ— Christs doctrine which he confirmed by miraclâ—s was in every thing contâ—â—â—y to the devils dâ—sign which was to draw men from the worship of the true God that himself might be worshiped to insnare men in the practise
of the greatest wickednesse under a pretence of Religion as is very obseâ—vable in all heathen mysteries which indeed were very mysteries of iniquity abominable Idolatry not to be named to modest eares Dr. Stillingfleets Orig. Sac. lib. 2. Cap. 10. 4. True miracles differ from diabolicall impostures in three particolars 1. in the manner of their working 2. their number 3. the quality of â—hings wrought by them 1. The impostares of Satan were done by a great deal oâ— pomp and Ceremony magical rites charâ—es and medicines what Christ did was with a words speaking yea by the very touch oâ— his garmâ—â—â— 2. For their number those Satanicall jugliâ—gs were comparatively very few there were not many that were cured by the devill and his instruments but Christ cured whole multitudes and that not in the Revestryes of the teâ—ple where fraud and imposture might be easily suspected but in the presence of the people Arnoâ—ius's objection against the Gentiles is very rationall what wonder is it to shew one or two cured when thousands lie continually in your temples languishing for want of cure which 〈◊〉 eâ—en weary your God Esculaâ—ius with prayâ—rs and teares but could have no helpe â—rom him with all their importunities 3. For the quality of thingâ— pretended to be done by miracles the cures among the heathens were some slight things in Comparison of those performed by Christ what heathen jugler did ever open the eyes of any man that was born blind make the dumb to speak the lame to walke or raise the dead by a words speaking or by a touch of the hand See Dr. Sâ—illingflâ—ets book before cited There is one other argument made use of by the learned Dr. Hammond in his tract of the reasonablenesse of Christian Religion which â— friend caused me to remember for the confirmation of the truth of this divine Revelation This learned man proves the mission and doctrine of Jesus Christ from that high testimony whâ—ch God the father gave him by a voice from heaven coming out of the midst of thunder which way of Revelation was known to the Jews by the name of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the daughter of a voice and by this God did three times give testimony unto Christ 1 immediatly after his baptism 2. at his transâ—iguration 3. a little before his death and all in the pâ—esence of sufficient witnesses this testimony of God the father given three severall times dâ—d â—ully ratify the doctrine of Christ contained in the scriptures of the New Testament God gave â—he very same testimony to Moses and hâ—s doctrine and â—hat in the sight and audience of many thousands Exod. 19.16 Thiâ— Moâ—â—s often reminds the people of especiallâ— Deut. 4.32.33 where he tells them that never any people did heare the voice of God out of â—â—e midst of the fire as they had done and thiâ—â—ay oâ—â—eâ—â—lation seems to be so suitable to the 〈…〉 of almighty God and so pecuâ—â—â—r â—o hiâ— that the devill who in other things 〈◊〉 Aâ—e never attempted to imitate God in tâ—◠〈◊〉 nor do I believe he was ever aâ—â—e Gâ—â— hâ—ving restrâ—ined him by â—his omnipoâ—â—â—◠〈◊〉 â—nd reâ—erved this way of Revelation peâ—â—â—◠〈…〉 Dâ—b 〈◊〉 Discoâ—rse hath been so rationall that 〈…〉 as â—gâ—ippâ—â— almost perswaded to be a 〈…〉 buâ—â—â—together such as you are as to 〈◊〉 â—wo great principleâ— of Christianity concerniâ—g â—he being of God and the Divine Authority â—f â—oly Scripture and methinks I see all false Religâ—â—ns fall flâ—t on their faces before these great â—ruâ—hs as Dagon did before the Arke Firm. No marviell for he that doth firmly believe that God is and that the Scripture is his word must needs abominate those false worships which are â—o extreamly contrary to his divine nature and his most sacred writ but seeing you are so well perswaded of these principles I shall not trouble you with any more reasons for the confirmation of them onely if you shall hereafter meet with any scoffing Atheist or infidell that shall deny either of them you may for conclusion of all presse upon him this dilemma or forked argument Either 't is true there is a God and the Scripture is his word or 't is not true suppose these things be not true yet thou believest them to be so thou art onely in an errour for this short span of time but what if they prove undoutedly true and thou dost not believe them to be so then thou art eternally damned now what a madness is it for any man for the avoiding of a seeming temporary errour to come within the danger of everlasting damnation Dub. This argument might startle any Atheist and make him consider with himselfe how sad his Condition will be if these things be so as solid and undenyable reasons do demonstrate and yet he should live and die an infidell O what will become of such an one unto all eternity I am full of wonder and amazement that seeing there are such convincing reasons against Atheism and infidelity that there should be any such Creatures upon the face of the earth when certainly there are none such in hell for the devill believes and â—rembles Firm. You will cease to wonder when you shall rightly consider the certain reasons of those grosse errours which are 1. Drollery and foolish jesting which renders men inconsiderate and mindlesse even in the affaires of the world much more in the things of eternity a man that is given to Droll and jest is uncapable of any serious businesse 2. Many men are men of short discourse they do not understand the force of an argument by reason of the weaknesse of their discursive faculty which is altogether rusty for want of use exercise and ingenious education though in the booke of nature the eternall power and God-head of the Almighty be wrote in large Characters yet every one cannot Read in that booke no more then he that never went to schoole can read the Primer halfe psalter or any book of the faireâ—t print Dub. This is true of many simple and illiterate men that are very brutes not at all to be distinguished from the beasts that perish but by the erect figure of their bodies their Rational soules mean while being sunke downe into mere sensuality such as have not God in all their thoughts they trouble not themselves to think of him either that he is or is not these digenerate Creatures do not concern themselves in matters of Religion but I hope you wilâ— not say that the wittâ— of the time are such ignorant Animals Firm. I shall not doubt to affirm it and that for these reasons 1. You may observe that these witty men are persons of no serious or solid judgments especially in things of highest concernment they are such as spend their time in idleness Drollery vain Recreations so that albeit the Lord has given them those two great bookes to read in that of nature and the holy scripture yet they vouchsafe not to read or meditate upon
God 2. Pet. 1.20 Now there being but Four Religions in the world Iudaism Christianity Paganism and Mahometism If I shall prove unto you that Christianity whose rule and foundation is the holy Scripture is the only true Religion and the other Three false I hope you will grant that the foundation on which it stands is the true Revelation and consequently that the Scripture is no invention of man but given by Inspiration and Revelation from God which is the summ of my first Argument Dub. If you can prove that the other Three Religions are false 't will necessarily follow that the Revelations to which they pretend are likwise false Firm. This I shall easily do beginning with Paganism which consists in the worshiping of the Câ—â—â—tures 1. The Sun Moon and all the Host of Heaven 2. dâ—â—d men that called Sabaisme this Hâ—llâ—nisme from the nations that fiâ—st used these modes of worship of both which we have a short account im the book of Wisdome chap. 13. and 14. but more fully in Vossius de Idolaâ—ria and in the Author of the Gentils Court who hath mâ—de use of divers excellent men that have wrote of this Subject That this Religion of Pagans was against the lâ—w and light of nature both in respect of the things woâ—shipped and also in respect of the abominable â—ites and Ceremonies any man that has the least sparke of that light remaining in him may â—asily discern First The things worshipped were the Creatures some of them that never had life others thâ—t once lived but are now dead whose ghosts or Manes the Heathens imagined to be confined to their Idols whereas no Creature can be câ—pable of Religious worsâ—ip for 't is repugnant to all right reason that one Creature should thus worship another God alone being the proper object of such worship because in him we live move and have our being and he it is that gives us life and breath and all things therefore Deo datori to God the Creator and giver of all good things all religious worship is only due Besides some of the wiser Heathens acknowledg that there could be but one God 't was a common saying amongst them dicite plures dicite nullum 't is all one to say there are many Gods as to say there is no God for the notion which they had of God was that he was ens infinitum a being of infinite power and perfection but natural reason shewed them that there could be but one infinite because infinite power and infinite perfection comprehends all power and perfection and therefore it cannot be communicated to many or more then one Secondly Their Rites and Ceremonies were so ridiculous and so filthy that the Apostle stiles them abominable Idolatries 't is against the rules of Christian modesty either to hear or speak of them He that desires to see Paganism smartly and solidly confuted let him peruse the antient Fathers Lactantius Arnobius Minutius felix Eusebius Clemens Alexandrinus St. Augustine de Civitate Dei c. Dub. I alwaies conceived Paganism to be a most vain and vile superstition contrary to the very light of nature and I am no better perswaded of Mahometism however I desire to hear your reasons against it Firm. You may please to receive them thus my first reason shall be taken from the novelty of it being not much above a Thousand years since that false Prophet Mahomet published his rapsody of nonsence fabulous fictions and damnable Blasphemys to the world First From which I thus argue truth is before falsehood Illud verum quod antiquum seeing the world is now above 5500 years old and seeing Religion has been practised in it from the Creation t is absurd to imagine there was no true Religion before Mahomet or that the infinite goodness and wisdom of God should suffer gross errors to infect the whole world at least 3000 years before the true worship of his holy name was known unto men Secondly Mahometism is a mixture of Judaism Heresy and Paganism with some sprinklings of Christianity A bundle of ridiculous fables prodigious lies as is evident to any that shall peruse the Alcoran Thirdly 'T was propagated by the Sword and such carnal weapons by sensual motives and promises of fleshly pleasures to be injoyed by all those that should be followers of that grand impostor which are so unworthy of the rational soul that they cannot be called the cords of man but are only proper allurements for those whose reason is sunk down into brutish sensuality Dub. These reasons do sufficiently manifest the folly and falseness of this new or rather no Religion but pray you inform me why you rank Judaism in the number of false religious seeing t is grounded on the Scripturs of the Old Testament which you beleive to be a divine Revelation Firm. When I reckon Judaism amongst false Religions I mean only that religion which is professed by the modern Jews under against the Gospel not that which their forefathers under the law lived and died in Since the fall of Adam unto the end of the world there was and shall be but one true Religion consisting of Repentance from dead works holy obedience and faith in Jesus Christ so that the fathers before the law the Israelites under the law the Christians under the Gospel were and are of one and the same Religion for the substance of it 1 Cor. 10.1.2.3 they did believe in Christ to come the Christians do believe that he is already come to them he was vailed in Types and shadows to us he is revealed and those shadows are vanished at the rising of the Sun of Righteousness with healing in his wings Dub. By what you have said 't is evident thaâ— all Religions that are and ever were in the world except the Jewish under the law and the Christian under the Gospel which are for substance the very same are utterly false and consequently their pretended Revelations on which they are built the inventions of men and Satanical Delusions and that the Christian and the antient Jewish being the only true Religion it must follow that the Old and New Testament is the only certain and divine Revelation your Argument appeares to be very concluding I pray you proceed Firm. My second argument shall be taken from the excellency and reasonableness of Christian Religion First This Religion is most holy and spirituall resolving it selfe into most excellent principles and ends the Glorifying of God and humbling man pointing out unto us the most divine and heâ—venly life in the love and service of our Creator in the dedication and devotion of our souls unto him in whom we live move and have our being placing our felicity in spiritual not in fleshly pleasurs the rule of it being holy scripture contains laws most holy most pure most righteous Let all the world if they can answer the chalenge made by Moses Deu. 4.8 what nation is there so great that has Statues and judgments so
either 2. They are under a judiciall blindness God has given them reason and understanding eyes that they might see hearts that they might understand but they wilfully shut their eyes against that light and then by the just judgment of Almighty God this light is taken from them they are given up to blindness of mind and hardness of heart as were the antient heathens Rom 1. 3. Their lives are utterly contrary to the holy nature of God to his sacred word there is an antipathy an emnity betwixt their Debaucheries their filthiness their profaneness and his most holy laws Rom. 8.7 every line of it flyes in their faces threatening them with hel and damnation whereupon they cavil with they quarrell against it they wish there were neither God to punish nor scripture to threaten Destruction against them and so by insensible degrees they are brought to think and say in their heart there is no God as the foole did Psal. 14. so true is that of the poet quod nimis miseri volunt hoc facile crâ—dunt the thoughâ—â— and imaginations of wretched men are governed by their desires they hate the light because their deeds are evil though their understandings are convinced by unansweareable arguments and reasons of the truth of these great principles yet they will not believe them such is the perverseness of their will that it either blinds their mind or else draws them against self Conviction to believe a Lye and to hold the conclusion against the most evident proofes and premises Dub. I am perswaded that you have given very good reasons why so many are Atheists and infidels and that the cheifest of them are irreligious and prophane livers that practical Atheisme is the greatest cause of that which iâ— dogmaticall or Atheism in opinion 'T was the foole that said in his heart there waâ— no God first he was a foole i. e. a sinner and very wicked as he is discribed in that psalm and thence he proceeded Atheist a foole in practise and then a fool in judgment for t is most certain that a corrupt and wicked life is the true parent of ungodly and vile opinions froâ— which by Gods blessing upon your good endeavoures I am now delivered and am fully perswaded that God is and that he is a rewarder of all those that diligently seeke him that the holy scripture is undoubtedly the word of God and consequently that the Christian Religion is the onely true religion but observing that of those who profess this Religion there are severall parties and t is not unknown to you that heretofore I have adhaered to the Church of Rome I would willingly learn from you which party they of Rome or we of England be most Orthodox and Catholick Firm Your demand is rationall I shall most willingly Gratifie you in itâ— oâ—ely you must give me leave to propose these Two questions to you and let me receive your answâ—r unto them at our next meeting 1. What Inducements you had to turne to the Church of Rome 2. What Reasons you had to leave it Dub. You must give me leave also to recollect my selfe that I may be â—he better able to give in my answer to your Quaeries DIALOGVE III Against POPERY Firm. I Hope you have well considered of the questions which I lately proposed unto you Dub. To the first I returne this answer My reasons that induced me to adhere to the Church of Rome were these 1. The Antiquity of that Church which has continued ever since the Apostles time when by the testimony of St. Paul her faith was spoken of throughout the world Rom. 1.8 2. The universality of it no Church has spread it self so farr and nere upon the face of the earth as that of Rome 3. Her consent in Doctrine with the primitive Church 4. The unity of it under one infallible head which cannot err in poynt of faith or manners 5 The sanctity of it's Doctrine that 't is free from errour in matters of â—aith free from all immorality and improbity in point of manners 6. The sanctity of life in the authors and first-fathers of the Roman Religion these were the chief motives that caused me to adhere to the Church of Rome Firm. Indeed these are six of those 15 notes which Bellaâ—mine Lib. 4. de not Eccle. and others of his perswasion appropriate to that Church but had you not some other inducements As first a vitious life and the cheap and easy pardon of your Sins upon confession of them to a priest his absolution and injunction of a pitifull pennance 2dly were you not under some discontent for your present low Condition or 3dly were you not ambitious of preferment deeming popery to be a ready way to it or 4thly were you not tickled with the Cunning extolling of your excellent parts by some subtile Jesuite lamenting your sad Condition that a person oâ— so rare endowments should be so miserably mistaken in the great concern of your Soule perswading you that out of the Church there is no hope of salvation and that you being no member of the Church of Rome were past all peradventure out of the Church and unlesse you returned to that Church there could be no hope of your salvation or lastly before you set up for the Church of Rome were you serious and conscientiouâ— in any Religion for 't is very easy for one that is of no Religion that makes no consciencâ— of his waies being allured with the joyeâ— of heaven and affrighted with the terrours of Hell to pitch upon any Religion that confidently promises those and as confidently a freedome from these and we know that Priests and Jesuites want neither art nor impudence to perswaâ—e silly wretches that hopes of Heaven and deliverance from Hell are only to be found in their Church Dub. Truely Sir I am verily perswaded that many who have left your Church and gone over to that of Rome have stumbled at such straws but you have known me long to be a man of no vitious life no male Content not ambitious of honour or preferment not apt to be paffed up with a proud conceit of mine own parts not cold or carelesse in point of Religion but the chiefe reasons that moved me to goe over to the Church of Rome were those before named which made me believe that Church to be the only true Catholick Church out of which there could be no hope of salvation to these I beg your answer Firm. And you shall have it 1. The doctrine of the present Church of Rome which alone could denominate her ancient Catholick and Apostolicall is in severall weighty points quite contrary to holy scripture neither hath it the generall consent of the fathers and Doctors of the Catholick Church the prâ—sent Church of Rome is no more like to what it once was in the purest primitive times than an old decrepit man full of diseases Gout Stone Palsy Dropsy Scurvey Blindnesse Deafnesse Wrinkles and a multitude of
God Dub. You have abundantly satisfied me that the Sun had not an eternal being and consequently that neither men beasts or plants could be from all eternity however I desire to hear from you some particular arguments against the eternity of man-kind Firm. There is no particular man but had beginning was made and begotten by his Parents they by theirs and so we must ascend from son to father up to all eternity usque ad infinitum which is utterly impossible or else we must come to a first man who could not make or beget himself Now if every particular man be made and begotten then the whole kind must be made because the whole kind is nothing else but the Collection of all particulars Every one of them we see by daily experience had a beginning and is begotten or made therefore 't is made by some other for quicquid fit fit ab alio and this of some other and so forward until we come to the supream cause of all things which is God Again Either all men that are or ever were in the world were made or some were made and some not made but had being of themselves if so 't is impossible that these men should be of the same kind with the men that were made for that which is made depending upon another cannot be of the same kind with that which is not made and independent because a thing that is not made infinite independent is of another kind from what is made finite and dependent and these two finite and infinite dependent and independent are opposite members dividing one and the same most common kind Dub. 'T is a clear demonstration that every particular man being made the whole kind must be made hut pray tell me might there not be a perpetual successive generation of men up to all eternity and so a processus in infinitum an infinite number of them without all beginning Firm. This is altogether impossible for in a Catologue or Series of things every one of which had a beginning as 't is evident that every particular man had and consequently the whole Series there cannot possible be a processus in infinitum up to all eternity or an infinite succession of causes and effects without all beginning Eternity properly so called has neither beginning noâ— end for 't is duratio interminabilis an infinite unlimited duration and therefore whatsoever had a beginning cannot possibly be eternal but the whole series of men had a beginning for whatsoever is made had a beginning but the whole Series of men was made therefore it had a beginning for every particular man had a begining therefore the whole Series which is nothing else but a collection of all particulars and therefore it cannot be equal or comensurable to eternity which is without beginning Again If the â—eries or rank of men did run up to eternity or into an infinite number of successive generations then that infinite number of men have been swallowed up of death many millions of years before this age we live in and so death has passed over that number which is contrary to that certain principle infinitum non potest pertransiri 't is impossible to pass over or through that which is infinite nay then â—here would not be any man living at present for if an infinite number of men are already dead then all the men that ever were or may be are dead for infinito nihil potâ—st â—ddi Yea if the world should continue ten millions of years longer there could not be after those ten millions of years more men in it then there were ten millions of years before this present for nothing can be added to that which is properly infinite to make it greater in magnitude or more in number neither could the Father be before the Son nor the greâ—t Grandfather before or elder then either nam in aternitate non datur prius posterius In this infinite duration there is no former or latter and consequently had the world been from all eternity it could not truly be said that any man was before another not Abraham before Isaac or he before Jacob. Dub. You have made it very plain that the world had a beginning and consequently because t is ridiculous to suppose that it had its beginning from it selfe chance or Atomes that there is one supream cause of infinite power and wisdome the Creator of Heaven and Earth and of all things therein contained which is the Glorious and eternal God of whose being I hope I shall hence forth never entertain the least doubt Firm. Though you seem to be well satisfied with these reasons which I have urged for the being of God yet because something in them are not so intelligible to men of ordinary Capacities who perhaps may cast their eyes upon these papers you shall give me leave to use other reasons that are more plain and familiar and such as may perswade more with men of ordinary abilities then those that I have proposed to youâ— self Dub. Though I am fully satisfied in that great fundamental point yet in this I commend your Charity and do not envy the satisfaction of others But I believe you cannot alledge more convincing reasons thâ—n those which you have already made use of however I desire to hear what you can further say for the Conâ—irmation of this very great truth Firm. The other reason which I shall produce shall bâ— taken from the Goodly fabrick of the world the harmonious order of all things therein contained the horror of conscience in wicked men the dread of perjury in very heathens the appearance of evil Spirits their strange working in witches and wizards which may be seen more largely treated of in Doctor Fotherbys Atheomastix Doctor Andrews Cattechisme Du-Plessis truth of Christian Religion Grotius of the same Doctor Mores Antidote against Atheism Parsons Resolutions Doctor Stillingfleets Origines sacrae Gales Gentils Court Mr. Baxters Christian Religion with many others I shall breifly sum up what these learned men have wrot at large beginning with that argument which is taken from the Goodly fabrick of the world 1. T was excellently said of Tertul. lib. de Resur facilius credas Prophetiae si sis discipulus naturae if we be conversant in the works of nature they will lead us to the knowledg and beliefe of Scripture There is a most sweet harmony betwixt those two Books the Book of Nature and the Book of Grace What is said of the one monstrat Quaelibet herba Deum every herb or plant does shew there is a God is most true of the Scripture Quaelibet linea Deum refert every line in this Book shews us the power providence and wisdome of God And if the Atheist will disdain to read this excellent Commentary upon the Book of nature let him seriously peruse the Text the harmonious beauty and order of the Universe Plato and some other of the Antients were used to demonstrate the
in the beliefe of the being of God and the truth of his moâ—t sacred word if he be true to these great fundamentals must of necessity be both an Orthodox and a serious Christian. Dub. If you can give me as good satisfaction in the divine Authority of Scripture as you have in the being of an eternal God Creatour of heaven and earth you will performe a work of greatest Charity but I fâ—ar of as great difficulty Firm. Happily you may perceive some difficulty in it but if you will make use of your reason and lay aside all prejudicating opinions which cheifly arise from that contrariety which is betwixt mens carnall corrupt hearts and the holy and pure word of God I hope by his blessing whose Cause I plead to perswade you to give your full assent to this other great principle of Christianity Dub. I shall endeavour to weigh your reasons in the ballance of an even unbiassed judgment and to receive them aâ—imo defaecato with a mind free from the dregs of sensuality interest partiality or prejudice Firm. Upon the confidence to find this ingenuity in you I shall present you with these following reasons 1. You do belive that there is an omnipotent God Creatour of heaven and earth that he made all things therein contained that being infinite in wisedome and knowledg he made all these things for some good end that he hath ordered them to act and worke in such a manner as is suitable to their several natures that in as much as they have their being facultys operations from their all wise and Glorious maker they are bound by the law of Creation to do homage and service to him that made them Dub. All this I grant to be very rational Firm. These things being granted that not to mention other Creatures as man had his being reason and understanding from Almighty God so is he bound to serve him in that way and manner which is agreeable to mans excellent nature which must be therefore a reasonable service which all the world as well Pagans as Jews and Christians call Religion which according to all sober people comprehends duties of piety as praier praises and sacrifices duties of temperance sobriety and chastity duties of honesty justice righteousness and all morality Dub. There is nothing more evident then that as there is a most wise and holy God that made man endued him with excellent facultys of reason and understanding so there is a debt and duty owing from man to God his maker which all the world calls Religion and no people in the world were ever so barbarous saies Cicero as to be destitute of all Religion yea there is such a tendency in the nature of man where t is not utterly extinguished by brutish sensuality that rather then he will worship no God at all he will bow down to a Sock or a Stone so that clear it is if there be a God the Creatour and man by him created there must of necessity be a Religion Firm. Truly nothing does more necessarily follow as Du-Plessis has well observed then a God a man a Religion But if Almighty God did make man to worship him sure he gave him some rules for that worship some law to direct him in this great concern of his Soul Dub. I cannot deny it and that this law was no law written in paper or engraven in tables of stone but the law of nature written in mans heart which made Tertullian utter these excellent words o aniâ—a naturaliter Christiana ô Divine Soul that art naturally a Christian. We see that the fire ascends the water moves towards the Center birds make their nests Beasts feed their young not by any outward positive law but by the unerring hand of nature and may not man that has a natural inclination to serve his maker perform this service without any institued law or prescribed Canon Firm. Ther 's no disputing against experience you see he does not and when you shall embrace and understand the holy Scriptures you will see he cannot by reason of his fall from that â—erfect staâ—e in which he was first made whereas the inferior Creatures kept their Station Dub. I confess there are different Religions in the world opposite one to another so that all of them cannot be in the right way of woâ—shiping God some of necessity must be false and erroneous Firm. If of all religions in the world all are not in the right how will you know which is the true Religion which is the false This you cannot discern by any imprinted law or light of nature unless excited by Art and industry which is in some measure common to all men that are not natural fools and Madmen stupid inconsiderate wretches or debauched bruits whose reason is â—unk down into gross Sensuality Dub. T is very true if the meer light of nature were sufficient to point out the true Religion I am not able to say why so many Sober men in several parts of the world who have not debauched their Reason and judgment should so strangely differ about it Firm. I believe you cannot nor yet why Jewes and Pagans did offer up bloody Sacrifices to these Deitys they worshipped Does any light of nature make it rational that the Gods should be pleased with the blood of poor innocent Beasts or is it rational to imagine that they should delight in humane â—acrifices Dub. I must acknowledge I do not understand how the light of nature should teach men that such Sacrifices should please the Gods I have oftâ—n wondered at this part of worship used by Jews and Gentiles pray Sir give your selfe the trouble of informing me whence this practise sprang Firm. You are satisfied that it had not its original from the light of nature for albeit some kind of Sacrifices as Prayers praises alms-deeds and it may be the offering of the Fruits of the Earth Deo datori to God that gave them might spring from that light yet the Sacrificing of Beasts was never shewed to Jew or Gentile by natures Candle but was after the fall of man appointed by Almighty God to prefigure the Grand propitiatory Sacrifice which was to be made by the blood of him that was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world which the Devil who is tearmed Gods Ape taught his servants the Gentils to imitate who had the shell but not the kernel the shadow but not the substance the outward rite but not Christ crucified represented by it Dub. I do acknowledg that the Sacrificing of beasts came not from the light of nature and you seem to make it probable that 't was from divine revelation and positive institution Firm. You will be better satisfied when you shall consider That the founders of all Religions in the world did pretend to Revelations Numa Lycurgus Mahomet c. which the devil taught them to do in imitation of Moses and the rest of the holy Prophets who spake as they were moved by
Righteous as all the Law which is set before you this day which as to their clearness are highly improved under the Gospel engaging us upon higher and more heavenly motives those under the Law being for the most part Temporal to deny all ungodliness and worldly lusts to live Soberly Righteously and Godly in this present world Tit. 2. 12. There is no virtue which Christian Religion commendeth not no duty which it commandeth not no vice no sin which it does not condemn no Religion doth so much condemn Pride worldly-mindedness sensuality filthy lusts a poore private narrow Spirit selfishness as this no Religion doth so much commend humility meekness selfe-denyal charity peace unity no â—eligion doth so much exalt reason above passion and sence doth so much enoble the Spirit of man making it to look upon the Riches honors pleasures of the world as so many vain shadows deluding dreams transitory nothings the great design of it is not carnal and worldly but high and heavenly as to set forth tâ—e Gloâ—y of God to lift up the Soul above the Creâ—ture to lead man by the way of holyness to everlasting happiness This Religion gives us the highest motives for the sincere practise of Piety and all manner of virtuous living thâ—t possible câ—n be the pleasures of an holy life here the enjoyment of eveâ—lasting happiness hereafter it gives the strongest reasons against the power oâ— tempâ—ationâ— teâ—â—hing us to mortifie the lusts of the flesh anâ— to contemn the vanities of the world putting the joyes of Heaven the torments of Hell the love of God in the ballance against the pleâ—sures of sin whiâ—h are no more then a feather to the massy glob of the earth Lastly Christian Religion from holy Scripture on which 't is founded doth reveâ—l unto us the nature attributes and works of God beyond all the Religions that ever were in the world how doth it magnifie and reconcile the justiâ—e and mercy of God towards sinful man How doâ—h it set forth the infinite power and wisdom of â—oâ— in making the world of nothing in such an excellent form and beauty which has drawn all â—oâ—sidering men into an admiration of the goodly fabrick of it Yet the must acute Philosophers were at a loss how and when 't was made whether 't was from all eternity or had a beginning in time whether 't was mâ—de of prâ—existenâ— mâ—tter oâ— of the foâ—tuitous concourse of Atoms whiâ—h fond opinions deserve not any serious confutation But the holy Scripture doth â—leâ—rly solve all these doubts is indeed the best CoÌ„ment on the book of Nature and doth give such an account of the original of the world the time and method of its production the peopling of nations the confusion of languages the depravation of nature which the Heathens understanding not fancied two principals one good the other evil from which all the good and evil in the world did proceed Mans recovery by the sacrificing of the Son of God for want of the knowledge and belief thereof all the bloody sacrifices practised by the Heaâ—hens were meer Impostures and ridiculous nothings these and divers other mysteries far above mans capacity to devise and not within the compass of natural corrupt reason are made plain unto us by Scripture Revelation which does abundantly prove that none but an infinite God could be Authour of this Divine Revelation of which those of the Heathens that of Mahomet were so many apish imitations diabolical cheats Dub. I am fully satisfied by the characters which you have given of the Religion in practise with the people of God especially with the Christians that the rule and measure of it must be from heaven not from men and consequently that all holy Scripture is divinely inspired is the word of the eternal God Firm. I could further acquaint you with many moâ—e reasons to confirm you in this great truth which are common in every Authour that treats of it â—s namely the Antiquity of holy Scripture some part of it being before all writings the continuâ—nce of it by an extraordinary providence notwithâ—tanding the rage and malice of cruel bloody persecutors the sincerity impartiality candour simplicity of its writers quibus nullum fuit mendac ii praemium they had no earthly motives to perswade them to utter such forgeries as Atheist deem them to be nothing but bonds and imprisonments losses of goods and lives Again it must be acknowledged that the Pen-men of the Scripture were very good men or very bad for men of a cold indifferency they could not be If they were very good men they would never have conspired together to put such a cheat such a grand imposture upon the world as Anti-Scripturists would have the word of God to be If very bad they would never have wrot with so much zeal and earnestness against all manner of wickedness and especially against Lying and Hypocrisie Certainly they would never have exposed themselves to hazard lives and fortunes for no other reward then to be esteemed both Knaves and Fools by all prudent men Add to this that Lyers and Cheats do not usually agree one with the other but there is such a sweet harmony consent betwixt the Pen-men of Holy writ tho they lived at so great a distance from one another that questionless they were acted by one and the same infallible spirit Lastly The aversness the slowness that is in our corrupt hearts to believe all that is written in the Law and the Prophets Luke 24.25 aâ—ising from that contrariety which is betwixt the holy and spiritual word of God and our carnal and depraved minds is no small proof of the truth of it for 't is otherwise impossible to render any rationâ—l account why we should doubt or disbelieve this sacred word and never once question the truth of ordinary and common Histories which are conveyed down unto us not with the tenth part of that evidence which we have of the truth of holy Scripture But waving these reasons I shall only mention Two of the best which are urged against Infidelity to bring up the reer of my discourse The First whereof shall be taken from the fulfilling of Prophesies the other from Miracles which are the Seals of this our Magna Charta Dub. Tho I am sufficiently confirmed in the truth of this great principle by what you have already said yet I would most gladly hear your Arguments from Prophesies and Miracles Firm. First for Prophesies I shall acquaint you with some few out of the Old Testament to which your own reading may suggest many more which were exactly fulfilled according as they were foretold Dub. Did not Astrologers and Heathen Oracles foretel many things that came to pass as they were foretold Firm. I grant it but hear what judgment a learned Heathen passes upon them The Gods do foretel some natural things to come for that they observe the order conjunction of their natural causes but of things
that are contingent or such as do depend upon the will of man they have but conjectures and do often times lie and deceive us in both kinds for as natural things are variable so much more the will of man Porphyrius lib. de Resp. oraâ— cited by Parsons in his Resol pag. 62. Dub. This testimony of Porphyrius being an Heathen and a great enemy to Christianity is very considerable and experiâ—nâ—e shews it to be very true for Oâ—acles have deâ—eived many and we see that Astrologers can give no certain predictions concerning the weather which depâ—nds upon natural causes and therefore I desire you to sheâ— me if you can any Prophesies of Scripture that are more certain Firm. I shall begin with that of Abraham concerning his posterities inheriting the Land of promise of their servitude in a strange Land of their mighty deliverance 400 years before it came to pass you may for this compare Cen. 15.13.14 c. with Exod. 12. Second Iacob being in Egypt on his death bed propheâ—â—ed thus of his â—on Iudah that the Scepter should not depart from him until Shilo came which fell out accordingly at the birth of our Saviour at which time the Scepter was in the hâ—nd of a stranger Herod by name and then and not till then it finally departed from Iuda Third 'T was Prophesied of Iosias â—00 years before he was born that he should destroy the Altar at Bethel 1. Kings 13. which was exactly fullfilled 2. Kings 23. Fourth You may see how punctual the Prophet Isaiah is in fortelling the nativity the life the passion of our blessed Saviouâ— in so much that he writeth more like an Historian then a Prophet as also how he foretells the destruction of Hierâ—salem and the greivous Captivity of the Jews by and under the Babylonians and then the destruction of the Babylonians and the rebuilding of Hierusalem by Cyrus 200 years before he was born the same was foretold by Ieremy about a 100 years after Isaiah and these Prophecies were so famous and so certainly believed amongst the Jews in the time of their captivity that when the time of their expiration drew near Daniel thus writeth of himself In the first year of Darius I Daniel understood in the Scripture the number of the 70 years c. Dan. 9.1 Neither did the Jews only understand and believe this Prophecy but Cyrus himselfe an Heathen which was his great inducement to restore the Jews and rebuild the Temple at his own proper charges Ezra 1. And Heathen Historians confess as much Fifth The Prophecy of Daniel concerning the four great Monarchies is so clear and evident so distinctly described as if he had lived in them all Dan. 2. and Dan. 8. how also he foretold the coming and suffering of the Messias after 70 weeks cap. 9. many more of such Prophecies might be alleaged but these are abundantly sufficient to attest the divine authority of Scripture Dub. T is very true if you could prove there were ever such Prophets or Prophecys in the world Firm. What proof do you expect will you believe nothing but what you see with your own eies Dub. That were irrational if you can prove by a certain tradition that there were ever such Prophecies delivered by such men as you name I shall assent unto them Firm. This I shall perform first from the whole nation of the Jews which have delivered them from Father to Son down along for many generation do you think that a people so carefull and diligent in the keeping and transcribing their records could or would agree together upon no worldly interest at all yea even to the hazard of their lives and fortunes to abuse themselves and their posterity Dub. I confess 't is not very probable but have you any other proof for the certainty of these Prophecyes Firm. Yes From the Testimony of very Heathens 'T is said by Iosephus lib. 1 de Antiq. Iud. cap. 4. that the publick writings of the Syreans Chaldaeans Phâ—nicians Graeciâ—ns are sufficient to testifie the antiquity truth authority and certainity of Holy Scriptures if there were no other proofe in the world beside There is scarce a memorable passage in the Old Testament but 't is mentioned by some Heathen writer as the Creation of the world Noah's Flood the Confusion of Tongues the Children of Israels living in and coming out of the land of Egypâ— the writings of Moses the Babylonish Captivity c. as you may see in Euseb. Grotius de verit Christ. Relig. Parsons Resol Cap. 3. lib. 1. part 1. Dub. Indeed a Testimony from an adversary is beyond all exception I rest satisfied with what you have said for the Authority of the Old Testament have you any thing to say for the New more then what you have said in general for them both together Firm. Yes I have the miracles of our Saviour and his blessed Apostles wrought for the confirmation of what they taught acknoledged by Heathens Grotius de ver Chris. Relig. Besides if you assent to the Divine Authority of the Old Testament you must acknowledg the Divinity of the New which is for the most part nothing else but an explication of the Old and the history of those Prophesies now fullfilled which were delivered by the Prophets who lived in the time of the law You may add to this the miraculous preservation of both Testaments not withstanding the malice of persecuting Heathens who used all arts of cruelty to extinguish them the propagation of the Christian Religion into so many parts of the prejudicating world without yea contrary to all carnal force and worldly inteâ—est by a few simple unlearned men which if t was done without a Miracle was one of the greateâ—t Miracles that ever we read of To this may be added the opposition of many subtil Hereticks who never durst so much as question the Authority of the Scripture but rather betook themselves to their own false glosses that they might shift of those clear texts which made against them whereas it had been a more Compendious way to have utterly denyed them if their impudence had been so great as to oppose the general belief of those times wherein they lived Dub. Tho I am sufficiently convinced of the divine Authority of the Scripture and of the truth of those Miracles which were wronght by Christ and his Apostles for the confirmation of what they taught yet to remove all scruples that may be made against them I shall desire to be more fully satisfied in two exceptions that are urged by Antiscripturists 1. That they were no true Miracles 2. That we have no certainty that there were ever such persons in the world as Christ and his Apostles or that they ever wrought such mighty works as are recorded of them in the New Testament Firm. That there were such persons in the world as Christ and his Apostles that they wrought those Miracles which are mentioned in the History of them both Jews and Gentiles sworn
swore by a good Man by which 't is evident how the grosse superstition of the Church of Rome hath crooked silly Souls and that all such images are teachers of Lies very vanities as the Scripture shews and reason demonstrates For to say nothing of the Blasphemous images of God the Father and the holy Trinity doth not the image of any Saint whom these pseudo-Catholicks worship lie to their imaginations representing that which is not for nothing but the Soules and Spirits of those Saints do now remain so that whilest they picture and worship them in bodily shapes which pictures represent what is not they worship they know not what praying onely to the Soules of Saints yet phansying them in bodily shapes as when they lived here on earth how doth it concern all Serious Christians to beware of the Religious worship of any creature of Gods or mans makeing of Angell Saint or Image which is so expressly forbidden in the word of God And surely if we might worship the picture of a man which is mans Creature 't were much more rational to worship a true man yea the Son Moon and Starrs and all thâ— host of heaven they being all of them the Creatures of Almighty God Firm. You rightly conclude were not a judiciall blindness upon the eyes of our adversaries they could not be Guilty of so dangerous a suspition Dub. I shall trouble you but with one reason more for my forsakeing the Church of Rome which was breifely their praiers in an unknown tongue a practise manifestly contrary to plain Scripture and the antient Doctors of the Church a most unreasonable service opposite to that which we are to perform to Almightâ— God 'T is so bafled by St. Paul that all the learned â—en of the Roman party have nothing of sence or reason to answer and as for antiquity 't was not so much as thought upon in the first ages in the Church the Liturgies then every where were in the known and vulgar tongue otherwise how should the unlearned say Amen The practise of the Church of Rome is in this as in divers other of their fopperyes a very mistery of iniquity I could heartily wish that for the undeceiveing of ignorant Papists their Missales Pontifical's Breviaryes Lady Psaltres c. were translated into the English and other vulgar tongues that such poore deluded soules might see to what absurd prayers they say Amen to what childish ridiculous Ceremonies they â—ubmit I might here add the vain Reptitions of so many Ave-Maria's Pater-noster's upon their beads their saying of them at certain houres as a Pensum or taske or a Pennance to make a Compensation for their sins rather then as a willing serious duty from the heart and soule which is not Religious praying but a Childish saying of prayers a vain heathenish babling after the manner of an old wises charm resting in the work done as if the bare saying of prayers without any intention of the mind were the only end of praying or the effectuall â—ervenâ— prayer of a Righteous man Iam. 5.16 I might also add their cheating Purgatory their purchasing of pardons and indulgences for sins past and for many hundred yeares to come by sums of money sett downe in the Tax booke of their Chancery their Pilgrimages and bodily Severityes to expiate for the sins of their soules their allowing of Brothell houses to Gratiâ—ye the unmarried Clergy and others in their unclean Lusts for which the Pope receives a luâ—ty Pension But to deale truely with you no one thing wrought a greater dislike of Popery in me then their barbarous bloody Cruelâ—y towards those that they please to call Haereticks their savage inquisition their Parisian Irish and other massacres their marian Butcherings their intended matchless powder treason their poysoning and stabing of kings their Justifieing of Rebellion and all manner of wickedness by their right intention and Doctrine of probability as is to be seen in the first and second part of the mistery of Jesuitisme in the Jesuites Morralls can such Villany such Cruelty and Christianity stand together did Christ and his Apostles propagate the Gospel with such Carnall weapons how severely does our Saviour rebuke his angry disciples when they would have called for fire from heaven to destroy the uncivill Schismatical Samaritans yâ—e know not what spirit yee are of for the son of man is not come to dâ—stroy mens lives but to save them Luk. 9.55 O that Christs pretending Vicar had the spirit of the meeke and holy Jesus These Sir were the reasons which moved me to forsake the Communion of the Church of Rome for upon this account I could not believe her to be the Catholick Church or any sound part of it but a very Schismatical Haeretical one that had departed exceeding much from Primitive Christianity from the faith that was once delivered to the Sainâ—s Firm. You have given very sufficient reasons for your departure from that unsound Church which may satisfie any serious considering Christian and you have saved me the trouble of any further addition to them I am now fully perswaded that you are neither Atheist Infidel or Papist pray you let me know what is your present perswasion and what Church you most â—pprove Dub. Truely Sir there are so many sects amongst the Protestants that I am in no small doubt with which of them to hold Commuion but my inclination leads me chiefly to returne to my old Mother the Church of England from which most unhappily as I am now convinced I heretofore separated however for the removâ—l of some scruples which yet remain with me â— earnestly desire you to give your selfe the trouble of a short discourse concerning the severall sects now in England Firm. I shall most â—readily gratifie you In this your very reasonable request nothing doubting but that I shall by Gods Gratious assiâ—tance remove all your scruples and fix you a true son of that Church which is the most Catholick Apostolical Church now exstant in all the world which those that do acknowledge the holy Scriptâ—re to be the infallible word of God the perfect Rule of all the substantialls of Christianity both for faith and manners and have some competent knowledge in the records of antiquity the want of which is one great cause of hâ—resy and schism as to be able to trace Christian Religion through the severall ages of the Church from the Apostles down to these presenâ— times I say those that do acknowledge these things cannot doubt of Dub. You much confirm me in what I have often heard from grave and learned men that one great cause of errours in Religion is ignorance in the writings of the ancient Doctors of the Church Councels and Ecclesiasticall histories this is not every mans work that have neither books to read nor brains to understand them and that tâ—e surest way to be an Orthodox Christian is by studying descendendo beginning with the records of the first century then
because of personal abuses in the Governors or under Officers where the Goverment in ' its constitution is not Faulty neither the terms of Communion intollerable but is there any reason that Nonconformists should be more shâ—rply dealt with then Debâ—ucht Profane Persons Firm. If we should compare Schisme Seperation Non-conformity with Profaness it would not be easy to say which is the greatest or which is the least Sin the first may be Majoris culpae the other Majoris infamiae as Aquinas rightly judgeth 1.2 q. 73. A. 5. of Carnal and Spiritual Sins those as Pride and Malice are greater Sins but these as Drunkenness Fornication are more Scandalous But to wave the comparison and to give you freely my own sentiments in this particular I do conceive that Debauchery and Profaness ought to be more severely punished then Negative Seperation and simple Non-conformity My reasons are these 1. Every prudent Parent will be moâ—e severe against a wicked Child that continues under his Roof professing obedience aâ—d sâ—bjection then against that Child which has utterly forsaken his Father and utterly abandon'd his House and Family 2. The sins of Proâ—â—ness and Debâ—uchery being willful for Drunkards and profane persons do not pleâ—d ignorâ—nce and weakness are oâ—â— more Mâ—lignâ—nt nature then sins of Ignorancâ— though it be such an ignorance which was not all together Invincible but contracted by Pride Pevishness Interest or Prejudice under which many Seperatists and Non-Conformists are in Bondagâ— and â—aptivity 3. The Lives and Conversations oâ— Debauched and Profane Persons who go under the name of Protestants and Members of our Church though intruth they are not but rather Limbs of Satan are the greatest Reproach and Scandal to it These are the men that furnish Shismaticks and Non-Conformists with their best Arguments which they urge against us For what they object against our Church Goverment Liturgie or Ceremonies is â—or the most part very frivilous and there is no Quaker Anabaptist Independents but mâ—kes the prophâ—ness of the Episcopaâ— party the chief reason and ground of his separation Dub. This I confess to be true from my own experience Nothing wrought so much upon me to foâ—sake the Church of England as the wicked and ungodly lives of those which she receives into her Communion Firm. That was your error for you cannot say thâ—t she receives any into her Communion whom by her Rubrick and Canons she â—xcludes and although through the laziness and connivence of Church Officers or Governors or both many an ungodly person receives the Sacament yet there is no just ground for a seperation from the Church which teaches nothing but what is Catholick and Apostolical Only I confess thaâ— in the exercise of Discipline she comes short of the Primitive severity against obstinate sinners yet the present Canons are so strict that if they were duly observed no openly wicked or ungodly person should be admitted to the Communion which would be a great satisfaction I am perswaded to those that now seperate from us Dub. But seing the Primitive Discipline has been so long time wished for above an Hundred years since as appears by the Rubrick before the Commination how comes it to pass that 't is not restored Shall we be still wishing and never acting or doing Firm. Why it has not been restored I know no other reason that is given but this The times will not bear it why the â—â—mes will not bear it I know not unless it be in respect of Seâ—taries who cry down many antient usâ—ges of the Church which they do not understand for Popery anâ— these men must not be offended least they be driven to an utter hatred oâ— opposition to our Church or else which is more probable such is the wickedness and profaness of the times that they will not endure the Primitive severity When will that time come that such strict discipline will be endured The Church has been in expectation of it above this Hundred years but still Schisms and Sects profaness and wickedness encrease every day more and more No question the times as to Sects and Pâ—ofaness if that were a sufficient reason are much more unfit to bear the antient discipline then they were when that wish was first made and the longer it is disused the more unfit they will be which I wish our prudent â—overnors would take into their serious considerations Dub. Certainly a Strict Discipline impartially executed upon all transgressors of Gods Holy Laws by sharp repâ—oofs severe admonitions due Suspensations from the Sacrament Excommunications Penances according to the quality of the offence would give a great check to that impiety and wickedness which reigns so much in our Land and take away much of the scandal which is given by our mixt Communions at which block of offence many have stumbled and fell out of our Church into Conventicles and Seperate Congregations Firm. No question a strict discipline would do much towards an hâ—ppy Reformation of manners in the Episcopal party but as you have observed the great scandal that is taken by the Non-conformists at the profaness and wickedness of that party so I must tell you that as great a scandal is given by them to those who conform to the Church of England though their lives and conversations being contrary to her Laws Canons they are no more members of our Church then a glass eye or wooden leg are live parts of a mans body Dub. I do not see wherein the Non-conformists whether Presbyterians or Independents have given any just occasion of scandal to any they being men that are very sober in their lives and great professors of Religion given much to Family-duties to Prayer to hearing of Sermons Firm. Hinc illae Lachrymae Here lies the scandal which mâ—kes Religion stink in the nostrils of profane and wicked men when they shall see that men professing holiness should make no conscience of Disobedience of Perjury of Rebellion against and at last of Murdering their Leige Sovereigne a man upon whom his most mallicious and crâ—tical enemies could never charge any scanlous sin Dub. These indeed are very grievious sins and much to be lamented but surely you cannot charge them upon the generality of thesemen but only upon some ambitious Hypocrites that made Religion a stalking-horse to bring about their devilish designs Firm. 'T is true that all the Non-conformiâ—â—s in England were not in actual armes against the King neither did they sit in the High Court of Injustice upon him neither did they all as natural agents cut of his Head but morally that is very sinfully and wickedly they had their hands stain'd with that Royal blood for whosoever did abet these sons of Belial in their Rebellions Treasons Murders of their King and fellow Subjects either by consenting to their Villanies praying for their prosperity praising God for their Victorious success or by assisting them with their councels advice free and voluntary Contributions by writing and preaching up the
perjury were so frequently observed by some heathens that when Diagoras hearing a man for swearing himself in a Court of Judicature and being impatient to see that he was not presently thunder-strucken became an Atheist and because Sentence against so great an evill was not suddenly executed therefore the heart of this fool this wicked man was fully set in him about that great mischief to say there was no God Psal. 14.1 Eccl. 8.11 Dub. Some Pagans aâ—d false Christians have dared to take false Oaths The Jesuites whether they be Pagans or Christians I know not will swear anything even solemnly in Courts of Justice and therefore this argument impious meâ— dare not take a false oath therefore there is a Deity or some Supream power which they fear holds not for the antecedent is evidently fals but this is rational strange horrors and terrors of conscience and fearfull judgments have followed perjured persons tho no man knew they were so therefore there is some invisible superior power wheâ—ce such horrors and terrors and judgmentâ— proceed Frm. I do confess that there have been several perjured persons in former and are in these present times but for a full answer to this exception see what is replyed to another very like it Pag. 4. however I am content the argument should stand as you have proposed it strange horror and terrors of conscience and fearfull judgment have followed perjured persons c. which sufficiently proves what I intended and therefore I proceed Another argument very like to this or which is rather an addition to the former may be takâ—n from the feares and torments of an evil coâ—science even amongst the very heathens Nero haveing killed his Mother confessed that he was often troubled which her Ghost The wretched Caligula at the report of a thunder clap would â—un under his bed A thousand instances there are amongst heathen writers of wicked men labouring under the feares and terrors of their own coâ—science which Juvenal does describe to the life in one or two of his Satyrs What should be the reason that mere Pagans men having no knowledg of the true God or of his Severity against wickedness should be tormented with the sad prospect of some fearefull judgment attending upon their villanies tho never so secretly practised but the timor Numinis vindicantis the fear of divine vengeance A third argument may be drawn from the certainty that there are Devils evil Spirits together with their wicked Instruments Witches Magicians Sorcerers Conjurers which none but a foolish Atheist who will believe no further then his sight leads him can doubt of How frequently the Devil has appeared in this nation in times of gross ignoranceâ— and superstition and how he does so still to the poor ' Indians thâ—t worship him for their God is aboundantly manifest by the tradition of our fore fathers and the testimony of knowing Christians that have been in those parts What pranks and diabolical feats have been acted by Witches and Conjurers may be seen in those learned Authors that have wrot against them as Dr. Moor and many others And albeit the appearances of evil Spirits Witch-crafts c. are not now so frequent in this nation as heretofore in times of Popery and darke Ignorance yet does it not therefore folloâ— that all our forefathers were Melancholly Hypocondriacks deceived themselves and deceiving us with vain and groundless phansies but the true reason is this in times of ignorance and superstition the Devil appears more frequently to uphold his Kingdome over his vassals and to confirm them in their false worship but in times of knowledg and Gospel light the Prince of Darkness uses all his arts to render men Scepticks in Religion and of no Religion at all Atheists Infidels Prophane so that his very appearing would pull down his Kingdome which he exercises over these wretches who like Sadducees believe neither Angel nor Spirit nor any thing further then they can see Now the Prince oâ— the Air is too subtil to confute this Groâ—s errour in his best servants by any or often apparitions The last reason I shall take from that allowed distiâ—ction that is betwixt good and evil better and worse which could not be unless there were some measure of mans actions and this measure must be a law either written in mans heart or instituted and written in bookes or tables and thiâ— law must have a law maker which must be able both to know reward and punish not only mans words and actions but his very thoughts which none can do according to the exact rules of Justice but he that is infinite in knowledg and wisdom that is none but the omniscient God Besides all this there are degrees in good and evil for of things that are good some are better then others of things that are evil some are worse then other Now these degrees of good and evil take their rise and fall by their aproaching to or declination from that which is summum bonum or the chiefest good so that if there were no best or cheifest good there could be no better or worse no good or evil at all therefore there must be one infinite good To conclude this first discourse seeing the inclination of all People to believe a God the instinct of nature to confess it the excellent fabrick of the world to declare it the force of wicked mens consciences to fear it the Custom of civil nations to adore it do abundantly prove that God is yea doubtless that there is a God that judgeth the earth what a monstrous Creature is the fool Atheist that saith in his heart there is no God Dub. Though I was abundantly satisfied with your former reasons against Atheism yet I heartily thank you for these which you have here added which though they are more largely treated on by several learned Authors yet as you have breifly summed them up they are more suitable to men of ordinary capacities and of short discourse who loose themselves in long treatises and are apt to forget what they have read in the beginning of them before they come to the middle and are more tired with the length then pleased with the soundness and excellency of such discourses Sir being fully satisfied with your reasons against Atheism I humbly beseech the Almighty Creatour of heaven and earth to bless them unto me to preserve me from all prophane irreligious Courses from practical Atheism which by its own Natural propensity and the just judgment of the most holy and righteous God is the great cause of that which is Speculative and Dogmatical DIALOGVE II. against Antiscrpturisme Firm. HAving given you such satisfaction about the being of God as hath fully removed all your doubts concerning that first and great principle if you please we will discourse of the other that is like unto it the Divine Auâ—hâ—rity of the holy Scripture for upon these two depend the great and weighty business of Religion He that is steadfast
Firm. As the Kingdom of Heaven does not consist in Meats and Drinks but in Righteousness and peace Rom. 14. so neither does it consist in gestures vestures or any thing that is in it self indifferent when the Church commands us to wear such a vestment or to use such a gesture for Uniformity sake and outward decency not placing any intrinsecal Holiness or absolute necessity in any of those Ceremonies 't is our duty and not any superstition at all to be obedient yea we are guilty of the sin of disobedience and superstition also if we stand out against lawfull Authority For there is a two fold Superstition one Positive as when we ascribe Holiness to any thing that is in its own nature indifferent morrally neither good nor evil another Negative as when we Dogmatize and call that evil which Morally is not so and in such things Weare not Kneel not is as much Superstition as Weare or Kneel possibly can be What is it to any understanding man whether he Prayes or Preaches in Black or White or any other Colour unless it be for decency and uniformity the power of the Church limits us to a White Surplice rather then to a Black Iump or short Cloak Dub. But is not this an intrenchment upon our Christian liberty to be confind to particular Modes and Forms Firm. Not at all So long as our practice only is limited and our judgment left free as before any such Canon was made 't is strang that the same men who enjoyned three Ceremonies at the taking of the Covenant as to be bare Headed bare Handed the right Hand lifted up should so much scruple them in our Publick Service But in a word 't is plain Scripture that every Soul should be subject to the Higher Powers not onely for wrath but also for Conscience sake Now unless the Non-Conformists can bring as plain Scripture against our Ceremonies to prove them morally evil they must incurr the sin of Schisme and disobedience to those powers which God has ordained and these are far greater sins then the wearing of a Surplice though we had borrow'd it from the Pope himself Dub. You mind me now of one of the greatest exceptions against the Surplice c. because the Papists use it in their superstitious Worship therefore 't is unlawful for us to wear it in ours Firm. If this were a good reason 't would follow whatsoever the Papists do use or have abused in their Superstition 't is unlawful for us who have abandoned such trash and I rumpery to use but Papists have abused our Churches halices and other Ornaments in their fals Worship and Services therefore we may not use them but down with them down with them even to the Ground Dub. This indeed will be a very necessary consequent but a very costly one I fear the men that make this exception would not be very forward to Build them up again if Idolatry and Superstition were a just cause to make us lay aside our Surplices by the same reason we must pull down our Churches and upon the same accompt the Primitive Christians ought not to have eaten meat offered to Idols neither to have made use of the Heathens Tempels to celebrate the Worship and Service of the true God Firm. You see then how frivilous the exception against the Surplice is and so are all those that are offer'd against the Ring in Marriage bowing at the name of Jesus Kneeling at the Sacrament the Crosse after Baptisme and therefore I shall very briefly pass them over 1. For the Ring 't is as Antient at least as Turtullian who lived about two hundred Years after Christ he makes mention of it more then once and our Church do's use it as an ancient Ceremony no ways essential to Matrimony 2. Bowing at the name of Jesus is likewise very Antient The reason of it was 1. To shew our readiness to yield obedience and subjection to him as our Lord and King to whom all power both in Heaven and Earth is given and to whom every Knee must bow Phil. 2.10 The Antient Christians rather bowed at the naming of Jesus then at the name of Christ in opposition to the unbelieving Jews who most of all Blasphemed that sweet and saving name of Jesus which therefore they did indeavour the more highly to exalt 3. To declare their certain belief of what the Apostle foreteâ—â— that at the name of Iesus every Knee should bow of things in Heaven things in Earth and things under the Earth that all things should be subject unto him Phil. 2. 3. Kneeling at the Sacrament our Church conceives to be the most humble and reverend posture and therefore most suitable to so high and Heavenly a Mistery especially it being Administred with a Prayer yet we do not condemn the practise of other Churches where this holy Sacrament is received sitting or standing neither should they condemn us for Kneeling because Christ's Disciples receiv'd it in a Table gesture to which we are no more bound then to the place or time in which they reciv'd it An upper Room and after Supper as the learned Dr. Sanderson has evidently demonstrated 4. The Cross after Baptisme is also a very Antient Ceremony which the Christians of the first ages used in a couragious and undaunted opposition against the Heathens and Jews who scoffed and derided them for beleiving in and Worshiping a Crucified God for their Saviour who could not save himself True 't is in process of time the Cross was abused to grose Superstition and therefore say some it ought to be laid aside as Ezekias abollished the Brasen Serpent when the people made it an Idol Dub. Much more ought the Cross to be taken away being abused to superstition because 't was but an humane invention where as the Brasen Serpent was set up by Gods own direction and command Firm. Very true but then let Ezekias do it not the people on their own heads without the Authority of the King However the use of an innocent Ceremony ought not to be taken away because of ' its abuse and here it ought to be consider'd whether it be better to use the Cross to put us in mind of our duty not to be ashamed of Christ Crusifi'd as also of the courage and boldness of the Primitive Christians who not withstanding the Scoffs and Reproches of Infidels would make such open profession of their Faith in Christ Crucified as to use the sign of the Cross not only in Baptism but also upon sundry other occasions or else whether 't were better to forbear the use of it because it has been so much abused to Superstition let the Suprem power judge which of these is fittest to be done and determine accordingly either for the Negative or the Affirmative and I believe every sober and peacable Christian will esteem it his duty to submit unto such a determination Dub. But seing these and other ceremonies have been and are a great scandal to
tender consciences and the occasions of many shâ—rp contentions amongst Christians agreeing in the substantials of Religion and seing that Conformists themselves confess them not to be in their own nature necessary but only expedient for order and decency were it not better they were laid aside then continued is they are the perpetual causes of discord and dissention amongst us Firm. And are order decency and uniformity without which there wiâ—l be neither â—ove Peace or Unity suâ—h inconsiderable nothings that a few innocent Ceâ—emonies must be utterly abollished to gratifie the dogmatizing humors of those men who esteem things in themselves indifferent to be sinful and unlawful which is sâ—â—t Superstition 'T is indeed much to be lamented that we should quarrel about Mint and Cummin to the prejudice of more weighty and material duties and the scandal of our Religion But by reason of our innâ—te and acquited corruptions 't is necessary that offences should come yet wo be unto that man by whom they come I know weakness and renderness of conscience is much pretended and we ought to take heed how we offend any of Christs little ones but how can these men be reckon'd in the number of weak or little ones who seem to themselves so great so strong and able in the things of Religion and for their tendernesse of conscienâ—e we appeal to their bloody civil Warrs 't is well known by whom and how they were began and carryâ—d on till at length they came up to the death of the King tho I believe very much against the intentions and designs of the most grave and sober men of that Party Dub. But really Sir were it not more beseeming Christian prudence so far to condescend to our dissenting Brethren who agree with us in the Doctrine of our Church in taking away at least some of those Ceremonies which are more liable to exception then to comply with the Superstitious Papists in the use of them Firm. I confess some moderate men have thought so especially since we are frustrated of of one main end for which our first reformers retained them which was to draw over the Papists into the Communion of our Church which they did adhere unto for the Ten first years of Queen Elizabeth until they were interdicted by the Popes bull But seeing we are deprived of all hopes of that much desired issue and that by the cunning of Priests and Jesuits stirring up and animating the Conformists and Non-conformists against each other about these Ceremonies Our differences amongst our selves do daily increase and multiply some wise and peaceable men have desired that the use of certain of those Ceremonies might be forborn at least for a time which not withstanding they are still continued These peaceable men abhor the great sin of Separation do continue their conformity to the rites of our Church daily begging at the throne of Grace that the God of truth and peace would for his mercy â—ake so assist those powers which he has ordained that they may be instrumental for the establishing of truth and peace amongst us Dub. I like well of the temper of these men and wish that their moderation were not only known unto but practised by all men for certainly if the Spirit of love peace and meekness did rule more in our peevish and froward hearts we should enjoy a greater measure of Peace Love and Christian Charity then these angry times have hither to been happy with I return you my hearty thanks for that satisâ—action which you have given me in those scruples which have much troubled me about the Goverment Liturgie and Ceremonies of the Church of England there is yet one thing behind at which I have somwhat been scandalliz'd 't is this Your Church does receive persons who are notoriously proâ—hâ—ne in their lives and grossly ignorant in the principls of Religion to the Holy Sacrament of the body and blood of Christ besides she tollerates at least Ministers that are scandalous in their conveâ—sâ—tion frequenters of Alâ—-houses not at all serious in Religion shew little sence of it in their discourses Preaching or practises men of little conscience and of as little learning Firm. This accusation is most fals whether it springs from spite or malice or extream ignorance I know not sure I am our Church orders that no suâ—h persons be admitted to the Holy Sacrament thâ—t no such Ministers be permitted to officiate that they are to be suspended once and again and if they do no not reform they are to be deprived for the first you may see the Rubrick before the Communion and the 26. Canon For the Second see Artic 26. and Canon the 74. and 75. and Canon 10. made 1640. which are so clear against the admitting of profane persons to to the Communion or tollerating of scandalous Ministers without due Punishment that whosoever chargeth these abuses upon our Church must be grosly ignorant or very malitious Dub. Yet we see that such prophane persons are admitted to the Sacrament as members of your Church and such unworthy Minsters are allowed to officiate Firm. Such persons are no members of out Church but rather the Synagoge of Satan and that Minister who does admit such persons natoriously prophane to the Holy Sacrament is a greater Non-conâ—ormist to the orders of the Church then he that scruples at a Surplice and those Church-wardens who neglect to present them are guilty of Perjury and ought to be debar'd themselves from the Communion Can. 26. Dub. 'T is evident that such Ministers are not Punished either by Admonition Suspensition or Deprivation Firm. This is not true in all places to my knowledge where such Ministers or people escape unpunished 't is mostly by the fault of the Church-wardens and Sides-men in not presenting them for what Judge either Ecclesiastical or Civil can punish offences that are not brought before him Dub. But many times offences and scandalâ— have been presented and the offender not punisâ—â—d yea your Ecclesiastical Judges are more severe against those who are Non-conformists to the laws oâ— the Church â—hen agâ—inst those that are Non-conformists to the laws of God as profane irreligeous wretches Firm. No mâ—n câ—n excuse the personal abuses that are committed in any Court Civil or Ecclesiastical all Court Officers never yet were nor ever will be men of integrity â—nd of unbias'd judgments no question that many abuses which are committed by the Officers of Ecclesiastical Courts might be prevented if the Bishops would be somtimes personally present in their respective consistoâ—ies as was intimated they ought to be Canon 11. made 1640. If we must seperate from a Church that enjoyns no Intollerable conditions for Communion with her because of some personal â—aulâ—s of those who are entrusted with her Goverment we must turn Seekers for where shall we find a Church whose Officers are alwaies all of them impartially just and upright Dub. I confess there is no good reason we should seperate from a Church