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a_o christian_n to_o read_v it_o and_o have_v not_o he_o and_o candidianus_n keep_v the_o peace_n and_o rule_v they_o more_o than_o the_o pope_n do_v the_o two_o council_n for_o two_o they_o be_v may_v have_v try_v who_o shall_v prevail_v by_o blood_n cyril_n council_n accuse_v nestorius_n for_o keep_v soldier_n about_o he_o and_o not_o appear_v john_n council_n which_o be_v for_o nestorius_n accuse_v the_o egyptian_a meaning_n cyril_n for_o heresy_n turbulence_n set_v the_o world_n together_o by_o the_o ear_n raise_v sedition_n in_o the_o church_n and_o expend_v that_o money_n which_o be_v the_o poors_z in_o maintain_v soldier_n to_o strengthen_v they_o petit._n 3._o crab._n p._n 592._o §_o 21._o and_o that_o the_o pope_n govern_v not_o out_o of_o the_o empire_n nor_o any_o of_o the_o patriarch_n or_o christian_a prince_n then_o be_v intimate_v in_o these_o word_n of_o the_o oriental_n first_o petition_n have_v praise_v he_o for_o propagate_a religion_n in_o persia_n by_o the_o 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that_o nazianzen_n oft_o call_v constantinople_n caput_fw-la totius_fw-la mundi_fw-la and_o it_o be_v usual_a for_o council_n to_o call_v jerusalem_n mater_fw-la omnium_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la as_o constant._n consil._n 2._o bin._n p._n 529._o aliarum_n omnium_fw-la mater_fw-la and_o antioch_n be_v ordinary_o call_v sedes_fw-la petri_n and_o the_o city_n theopolis_n theodoret_n say_v that_o john_n choose_a bishop_n of_o antioch_n ad_fw-la primatum_fw-la apostolicum_fw-la suffragiis_fw-la delectus_fw-la fuit_fw-la hist._n l._n 3._o c._n 17._o §_o 24._o note_v that_o whereas_o w._n i._o make_v himself_o ignorant_a that_o ever_o any_o council_n be_v call_v without_o the_o pope_n and_o they_o pretend_v that_o his_o vicar_n preside_v in_o they_o almost_o all_o the_o general_a council_n for_o six_o or_o seven_o hundred_o year_n be_v witness_n against_o they_o and_o of_o the_o first_o general_n council_n at_o const._n binnius_n note_n say_v p._n 515._o damasâ—…m_fw-la pontificem_fw-la 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