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A88972 An answer by letter to a worthy gentleman who desired of a divine some reasons by which it might appeare how inconsistent presbyteriall government is with monarchy. In which the platforme of that government is briefly delineated, with the tenents and suitable practices thereof. And withall it is demonstrated, that it is inconsistent with any government whatsoever; is full of faction, sedition and treason; an enemy to all peace, domesticall, neighbourly, brotherly, &c. against soveraigne authority, authority of all iudges, and iudicatories, entrenching upon all so farre, as there can be no liberty of person, trade, commerce or propriety, but at their pleasure who bear sway therein. Maxwell, John, 1590?-1647. 1644 (1644) Wing M1377; Thomason E53_13; ESTC R20000 49,076 82

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AN ANSWER BY LETTER TO A WORTHY GENTLEMAN Who desired of a Divine some reasons by which it might appeare how Inconsistent PRESBYTERIALL GOVERNMENT IS WITH MONARCHY In which the Platforme of that Government is briefly delineated with the tenents and suitable practises thereof And withall it is demonstrated that it is inconsistent with any government whatsoever is full of Faction Sedition and Treason an enemy to all Peace Domesticall Neighbourly Brotherly c. against Soveraigne authority authority of all Iudges and Iudicatories entrenching upon all so farre as there can be no liberty of Person Trade Commerce or Propriety but at their pleasure who bear sway therein Printed Anno 1644. Sir YEsterday you desired me to give you some proofes by which it may appeare how inconsistent Presbyteriall Government is with Monarchie You were pleased to tell me that some good and worthy men doe desire to be satisfied in this point It seemeth these men doe not think that Presbyteriall Government is destructive of the true necessary and perpetuall Government of the Church which is Episcopacie instituted by Christ propagated by his Apostles and continued by uninterrupted Practice above 1500 yeares in the Church and to this day retained in the greatest part of the Christian world We deceive our selves to promise or expect to King or Kingdome Prince or Subject Peace and safety or deliverance from our troubles and distresses if we subordinate Fundamentalls in Religion necessary truths of faith worship and government to our publique or private civill good Nor am I able to expresse how high an Impietie it is at this time when God's hand is out against us justly for our sinnes to be so disposed and fixed upon a resolution that to redeem externall Peace we will embrace any Government of the Church provided it be consistent with Monarchy and will not scruple not onely to shake off the true and necessary government instituted by our Lord but by Law endeavor by highest authority to condemne it as Antichristian If this be not to frame mischiefe by a Law I know not what is If this provoke not more wrath more vengeance make not the Land spew us all out I am infinitely deceived We may promise to our selves that by such a course we may say like to the man in the Gospell Soule take thy rest for many dayes but it feareth me the successe and event shall be much like to his case Sir I pray you consider what Peace hath King or Kingdome enjoyed here or in Ireland since Episcopacy in Scotland by Law was damned and the Presbyterian Anarchie the Seminarie of all fude Faction and Rebellion as will appeare by what ensueth by Law and Supreme authority established I cannot dissemble but to a man of your worth and Integritie I must unfold my selfe I admire to see too too many amongst us here where is great plenty of able Gentlemen of excellent learning worth wit and all other perfections endowments as in any Nation besides to be so prepared that they are too too inclinable if not actually resolved to admit and authorize in this Kingdom and Church what they know not and to forsake that happy Native proper government of the Church the sweet fruits of which they have reaped so many yeares to the admiration if not envy of other Kingdomes States and Churches This is Samaritan-like to worship that we know not Or Athenian-like to consecrate an Altar and to sacrifice to an unknowne God Your worth and noble favours oblige me so much to you that I cannot chuse but obey your command And for your satisfaction I present you with a short view as in a Mappe of Presbyteriall Government give you a little touch of their Maximes and suitable Practices and that with as much truth and honesty as your goodnesse expects from me By which it will be more then apparent that Presbyterie as it is at this day somewhere within His Majesties Dominions is not onely inconsistent but also destructive of Monarchie And where it obtaineth it disturbeth the quiet and peace publique and private of King and Kingdome This is that you desire and to satisfie you to this I confine my selfe This Presbyteriall government within it's verge hath foure Iudicatories 1. A Parochiall Session 2. A Presbyteriall Consistorie 3. A Provinciall Synod 4. A Generall Assembly The Parochiall Session moveth in the lowest Sphere The Generall Assembly is the Primum mobile the highest Orbe which carrieth all with it's motion although the rest have their proper and specifick motions The other two are in the middle and interjected Orbes I shall begin at the lowest Iudicatorie and so shall orderly ascend to the Supreams Of the Parochiall Session EVery Parish hath one or more Ministers If more all of them are equall in all honour and jurisdiction onely the Senior hath the precedencie To the Minister or Ministers of each Parish to make up a Session in which is fixed the Parochiall Iurisdiction a competent number of Lay-Elders whom they call presbyteri non docentes and Deacons proportionable to the precinct and extent of the Parish are conjoyned which associate body thus compacted is the Spirituall-Parochiall-Sanhedrim This Session sits once a week or oftner pro re natâ In which all Parochiall cases which concerne externall order and censure are determined and ordered If there be but one Minister in the Parish he is constant Moderator If there be more they moderate by turnes either weekly or monthly as they agree Whatsoever thing is ordered determined or decreed is done by the joynt-consents of the Minister Lay-Elders and Deacons or by the plurality of voyces The Minister who is the Moderator hath no casting no Negative Voyce The power of all Iurisdiction is radically and equally in all for binding for loosing for all censures Ecclesiasticall for orders which concerne externall order and worship So the Power of the Keyes is as much in the Lay-Elders and Deacons as in the Minister or Ministers What sacrilegious intrusion upon sacred Orders this is I need not informe one of your understanding To make this frame good they maintaine that Iure divino there be foure orders of Ecclesiasticall offices allow me to speake in this Epistle all along their dialect or persons 1. Preaching-Elders whom they call Ministers 2. Doctors these are professors in the Chaire such as are in Vniversities 3. Lay or ruling-Elders who now have vocem deliberativam decisivam in rebus fidei Cultûs politiae and in foro exteriori Ecclesiae in censuris Ecclesiasticis are as much interessed and authorized as Preaching-Elders 4. Deacons who have trust of the meanes and monies destinated for pious and charitable uses This is very considerable too that although they hold these foure orders and offices necessary for the Government of Christ's Church de Iure divino by divine Right and Institution yet neither the Parochiall Conclave nor any Presbyteriall Consistory except it be where the
of Cooper in Fife A noble man there having one Maister Weymis an honest man a Preacher and Parson at one of the Churches the which whole parish belonged to the Noble-man used all the entreaties all the threatnings he could to perswade Master Weymis to make over to him and his house the Right of the benefice which if I mistake not was a Parsonage The good man refused it the Noble man finding the man immoveable having prepared the way with the Ring-leaders accuseth the honest man before the Presbyterie obtaineth sentence of removing Maister Weymis from that Church and benefice and bringeth in one M. Scrogie who with the consent of the Presbyterie sacrilegiously made over the Right of the Church to the Noble man and his Family M. Weymis was transplanted to another Church The Right made over by Scrogie was afterwards confirmed by Act of Parliament King Iames when this noble man came to him spoke to him to this sense My Lord I wonder how you have so much power with the Presbyterie to obtain such a thing and work so strange a matter I pray you teach me the way for I would gladly know it The Noble man answered to this sense or much about it Sir you take not the right way I prepared my businesse by gaining the prime men to my course I sent to A. B's house so much Malt and to C. D's house so much Meale to N. a Carcasse of Beeffe this got me the power to put away Weymis to bring in Scrogie and from him with the consent of the Presbyterie to have the right of the Parsonage impropriate to me and my house Sir this course you must take if you would work any thing by or with these men The Testament of a Gentleman of Wit and more then ordinary worth and esteeme is to this day extant although he dyed many years agoe wherein confessing his many Sinnes he was much guilty of uncleannesse and was of more then ordinary reach in Politicall and Subtile waies abhorring himselfe for them and earnestly begging pardon professed and protested that no sinne did wound his conscience so much as his deep Hypocrisie who without the true feare of God made great shew of Religion where none or little was and to cover his sinnes from the World to hide his shame and the better to effectuate his private designes he made much of some few prime leading Ministers by doing of which he was not challenged for his sinnes and was enabled to worke his other ends This hath been and is this day a constant course kept by all of that cutte and coate It is known that no Kingdom of the Kings was so much infested with Feuds as they call them as that of Scotland nor was there any thing more ordinary then Neighbourly Feuds in Parishes to be fought to the effusion of much blood partly beginning sometimes within the Church and ended in the Church-yard where many times some were killed And it was as ordinary to find each Presbyterie divided in their affection and course according as they affected the one or the other partie Nor was Scotland ever free of Feuds sheathing their Swords in their Neighbours bowells murthering one another till a little before King Iames came into England nor did ever that Kingdom enjoy such Peace and Plenty as during the time of Episcopacy Sir by the few instances I have given you of many you may see clearely that Presbyterian Government is not only inconsistent with Monaichie but destructive of the Liberty of the Subjects person and trade encroaching upon all Authority Soveraigne and delegate restraining at pleasure Causes and Suits commenced before Iudges forbidding Execution of Iudgements obtained before the ordinarie Iudges repealing Grants Letters-Patents Rights and Priviledges authorized by Law assuming to it selfe the Civill power exacting Civill fines pecuniary mulcts inflicting corporall punishments painfull and disgracefull defaming young disgracing married persons in briefe is against the peace of the Kingdom of Families and neighbours And for their Clergy or fellow Presbyters they tyrannize over their Conscience depose or transplant them at pleasure for reasons known to some few of the more active It is proper now to speak next of Provinciall Synods IN describing of which we need not to insist much for except that the Iurisdiction is of greater extent and latitude yet in its essentialls constitution and power with the exercise of it it is the very same A Provinciall Synod is the apish Imitation of a Provinciall Councell consisting of a Metropolitane and the Suffragan Bishops of his Province With them it is an associate body of the Commissioners chosen out of all the Individuall Presbyteries within the precinct of the Province How many there be of them in the Kingdom of Scotland at this instant I know not but the Kingdom is divided into so many Provinces as they in their prudence think it fittest for the Government of the Church If I remember right by their platforme of Discipline these Provinciall Synods are to meet twice a yeare or oftner pro re natâ These Synodall Assemblies have a superintending and overruling power over all the Presbyteries within the limits of that Province The cases proper to these Courts are 1. All matters which doe appertain to the whole Province 2. All ●●ferres from all Presbyteries within its verge 3. All cases of every severall Presbyterie which were difficult and could not there be determined 4. The due censure of all what is thought to be done amisse in any Presbyterie within its lash 5. What is ordered and decreed in those Provinciall Synods tyeth all within the particular Presbyteries and Parishes as well Lay as Clergy-men to obedience Any Presbytery else that moveth without the spheare of this Province is not tyed to obey what this decrees by virtue of any authority flowing from it The same course is holden in all things in the Provinciall Sanhedrim which is kept in the Presbyteriall Consistory so that I need not trouble you by resuming and repeating the like only here is some peece and use of good Policy which is this In a Province there may be some foure or five or six or more knowing leading Ministers who over-rule different distant Presbyteries so cannot formally fairely joyne their wits and power to compasse their common and private ends The meeting of this Provinciall Synod occasioneth the meeting of those leading men in the same place who after that they have communicated Counsells and agreed upon the course they are able to draw their brethren their pupils of their Faction as Sorvum pecus slavishly yet with much zeale to dispute debate and voyce for what they in their wisdome think fit for their own ends which course layed downe will be so prevalent that if it be against King Country Preacher or Lay-men in that concerneth the publike or any private mans interest to whom they stand engaged it is to as little purpose to some