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A19569 A triall of our church-forsakers. Or A meditation tending to still the passions of unquiet Brownists, upon Heb.10.25 Wherein is iustified, against them, that the blessed Church of England 1 Is a true Church. 2 Hath a true ministry. 3 Hath a true worship. By Robert Abbot ... Abbot, Robert, 1588?-1662? 1639 (1639) STC 60; ESTC S100380 140,135 286

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exhort one another Oh that wee could alwayes walk in the presence of this duty and suffer the words of exhortation too The wicked will call one upon another to goe to hell why should not we to get one another towards heaven But how our forsakers will answer it to God I know not who cast themselves out of our assemblies in folly before they are cast out in justice and forgoe this whetstone of exhortation for a blunt sticke of their owne devising This I am sure they might be exhorted with us and learne to exhort others better from us then they doe to leade poore soules into the wayes of discord distraction and strife I have but one thing to thinke upon this text more and that is Pauls motive and inforcement so much the more because ye see the day approaching men complaine much of dayes and times but I am sure the worse they are the more had they neede to keepe the communion of Saints both publicke and private Evill dayes will come fast enough no man had neede to pull them upon himselfe If hee doe there is the day comming which will pay to the purpose without a pardon for all his sinnes and indiscretions All other dayes are our dayes in which wee eate drinke marrie give in marriage work play pray and heare and the like but this is the day with GODS marke upon it when all shall bee awaked and gathered before their JUDGE The thought of this day should sharpen us to love assemblies and call others to them because they are the ordinances of CHRIST the JUDGE On this day there will bee fulnesse of feares and terrours Fearefull sights of an universall fire throne and JUDGE fearefull yellings and cryings of desperate men fearefull accusations from heaven earth and consciences and the fearefullest sentence that ever yet passed Goe yee cursed Therefore had wee neede all our lives to get something to comfort us against that time for it is an evill time to the wicked On that day will there bee an expectation of comfort or discomfort for ever and ever upon all that wee have done either in our assemblies or out of them On that day wee shall heare such accounts as wee have never heard as how wee have willfully sinned in every secret In the secret of our understanding will affections judgements consciences corners woods and denns How many assemblies wee have neglected How many wee have prophaned in being no better How many in our power wee have not exhorted How many have exhorted us and wee have not answered and followed On that day shall I bee judged if I have taught you to acknowledge our CHURCH a true CHURCH our MINISTERY a true MINISTERY and our WORSHIP a true WORSHIP against my judgement and conscience according to the rule of CHRIST so farre as I am come yea and I shall bee cast also And on that day shall our forsakers escape scotfree shall they not passe a strickt triall and examination Have yee had a care to keepe a Christian state to CHRISTS honour Have yee loved publicke assemblies to that end and use Have yee not forsaken the assemblies of CHRISTS people for no just cause Is not that a true church which professeth the name of Christ according to his word whereto it submits as the rule of the religion it hath Is not that a true Church which enters covenant with mee as all the Christians in the World by entring into my schoole by Baptisme Is not that a true Church which acknowledgeth mee onely head for supreame rule and under mee my liefetenants and chiefe officers to governe according to my lawes general and speciall Is not that a true Church which rejoyceth in good members yet dare not forbid wicked hypocrites from the outward priviledges of my feast because I have commanded her that good and bad should bee called Is not that a true Church which hath the power of governement in best and wisest when I never commanded that whole assemblies should ever have an independent power to doe according to voyces which cannot but bee the authour of schisme Is not that a true Church which doth exercise governement according to my patternes and rules ins●rting things in order ordaining teachers and casting out unworthy beasts as information and conviction could bee justly had Have you forsaken such a Church to set up a Church of your owne devising which hath never beene from my time downeward to ordaine Pastours and Doctours that are not able to divide the word of God aright to cast out or keepe in according to the voyces of two or three men or women which may out of selfe-conceit and pretence of my word presume to bee a Church contrary to my will What Ministery have you forsaken A ministery that hath beene honoured by the bloud of blessed martyrs that are no wooden Priests but whose breath hath blowne away Romish tyranny idolatrie superstitions and falsities which dishonoured mee and my offices a ministery that hath gained soules from heathenisme and prophanenesse in their turnes and moved by my blessing effectually to serve the living and true God even to thousands and millions What worship have you forsaken a worship of praying and receiving of Sacraments with my word with petitions supplications intercessions and giving of thankes to my father in my name Have yee forsaken such a worship and all because every one that goe before in worship have not their tongues at liberty to say what they list but are helped by the publicke spirit of my Church so as they may with one heart and mouth at one time when I have no where commanded the contrary Oh let this Terrour of the Lord perswade men A thousand yeares with Christ are but as one day for the Iudge standeth at the doore and when hee doth come thinke what praise and honour ye shall get by disturbing a Church where is a true Ministery and worship by disheartning of Gods tender people from his service under pretence of his word when for none of your fancies you can produce one precept of Christ The most you pretend are obscure places which by the diligentest searchers of scriptures have beene and are diversly expounded and therefore no sure footing or some obscure examples without lawes which yet if they were never so pregnant prove but the lawfulnesse not the necessitie of such practises And will you hazard the peace of a Christian Church the comfort of your consciences the liberty of your goods and bodies upon so sandy a foundation Oh thinke upon that day and take wiser mens advice then your selves that have not beene carried with rashnesse puffed with pride in love with a conceit of selfe-government or pricked with envies emulations jealousies just punishments and see whether such men will warrant your courses upon the price of their soules in that day And if all candor bee not banished if hatred to an English Priest a Bishops creature as some body is termed
Yet doe not wee pray for the world but against it that we may follow Christ Christ prayed for the Jewes and Gentiles that persecuted him to death father forgive them for they know not what they doe yet he prayes not for the world that lies in wickednesse but that it come out and serve God so wee pray once more against their wickednesse but wee pray for their Persons As farre as our charity tends so farre our Prayers extend and I am sure wee must doe good to all But if God shall reveale any speciall Persons that have sinned unto death wee will not pray for them In the meane time give us leave if you have so much charity to pray that there may bee none such Yea but say they wee pray in that Litany for all that travaile by land or by water and so for thieves and pyrats too yea and I know not for what Devills in mens braines who compasse the earth too and fro Where is their charity The pious Church provideth a Prayer for Men and not for Devils who are out of hope and out of all Communion with her and for all men that are within a saveable condition in that word Our Father So shee prayes for theeves and pyrats to make them better or else against them to maintaine Gods just providence in their future punishments If these bee all their exceptions against our good Litany as they are all I have heard I hope they will give me leave to use it as I doe and use it with me in peace The second degree of our Church worship is the middle of it when wee reade the commandements of our great God with Prayer when we read the Epistles and Gospels more fully to strengthen our faith and pray for the whole Church In the first they doe except that we kneele when the commandements are reade as if it were a Prayer Noe wee doe it not to make it a Prayer it is none But yet wee doe it partly to testifie our subjection to the God that gave it as the People on mount Sinai fell downe at the publication of it and as wee kneele before the King and partly because it is joyned with that submissive Prayer Lord have mercy upon us and incline our hearts to keepe this law Next come the Epistles as indeede the whole word is an Epistle written to our soules wherein wee have sometimes prayers but mostly fit rules of holinesse of life and after the Gospels that wee may know the benefits of which we must live worthy These strengthen our faith in all the articles and further our thankfulnesse for all Gods mercies by Christ and his Apostles I know nothing worth notice that is heere excepted against If they call them shreads of scripture yet they are scriptures and fit texts applyed to every season And if Christ would not onely preach truths but fit truths for the people and if they themselves I hope will choose fit texts for feasts and fasts times of solemnity and times of mourning I hope also that the Church cannot bee denyed this liberty If they say they are applyed to divers holidayes which are not of Christs appointment Yet are they not without Christs leave and permission If Christ have permitted them though God saith six daies thou shalt labour yet to use their liberty according to discretion upon any of the six to refresh themselves or spend in holy exercises is he an harder master yea husband unto his Church Surely as occasion is offered they may choose any fit dayes either to feast or to fast But alasse say they all this in that common-prayer booke is but an English masse taken out of the masse-booke of Rome Belike then wee had it out of the Temple of God where that man of sinne sitteth well bee it so A thiefe hath got a true mans purse may not Justice deliver it to him againe and leave the thiefe to his Judge and punishment Such is our case The Pope could not have hid himselfe so long but under the banner of Christ and the service of God with the Saints Therefore hee gets the Leitourgy or common-prayer booke of the blessed Fathers and adds to it of his owne rubbish as Masses for quicke and dead Dirges Requiems Praying to Saints and ANGELS blessing of Bells and Candles to give power to drive away Devils When this was espyed by the breaking out of the beames of the glorious Gospel the blessed Martyres challenge their owne and leave the wicked trash to the founder And is not this Justice If these men had gold and silver mingled with durt and poyson would they cry out all durt all poyson and worke for more No they would wash cleanse purifie and keepe the gold and silver for their uses So have we done and noe more Wee have taken off the spots and keepe the garments We have washed away the filth from the gold of the first great Saints and Martyres If this bee a fault wee rejoyce in it and commend to others as Doctour Rowland Taylour when hee was going to be burned next unto the Bible the Service-booke to bring up our children in the feare of God And so I passe that The last degree is the end of our common-prayer worship which is the administration of Sacraments The wit of Men and Angels cannot devise a better way of GODS worship in them Such grave exhortations effectuall Prayers propounding of warrants laying downe of promises confident expectations of their making good by Christ to Children Parents and all penitent and believing Christians are there upon record that a modest man would wonder how any exceptions could be found out Yet three things are there that much trouble them and us by them 1 Kneeling at the Communion 2 Crosse in Baptisme and 3 The responses or answeres in Baptisme As for kneeling I shall indeavour with Gods helpe to doe two things shew that they may lawfully worship God in the use to this Sacrament kneeling and take away their maine rubs in the way That which is for Christ they may lawfully doe but kneeling at the Sacrament is for Christ for what is not against him is for him If it bee against him let them shew where hee hath forbidden it If they cannot they may lawfully kneele Againe that which is neither commanded nor forbidden by God they may lawfully doe for the Apostle saith of such things all things are lawfull yea they must necessarily doe it now not out of conscience to the gesture but out of conscience to the command of our Christian King and Church But kneeling at the Communion is neither commanded nor forbidden by God but commanded by the King and Church therefore they may they must kneele Againe if they kneele not but sit as an act of Religion they make it essentiall to the supper and the Apostle Paul an unfaithfull servant to so good a
and continue in our fellowship with glorious comfort Put case we had no power to purge wicked livers must they presently say Depart from me I am holier than thou They should beare onely their owne burthens in sinne and one anothers burthen by compassion toleration charity and meeknesse By rash separation the correction of the wicked is not furthered but hindred for when they see themselves contemned they are put further from the Kingdome of Heaven and made sevenfold the child of Hell more to the hazzard of all But the truth is we have excellent power for both these workes Though not in all the members of every particular congregation as they meane for then no man could perish in the gaine-saying of Core whose mutiny was because he could not be equall to Aaron whom God appointed his superiour yet have wee it in every Diocesse where lawes are made not by one but many for the ruling of all under them And if persons were not sometimes in fault more then offices who yet seeme worse through the impetuous carriages of those that speake evill of governement and thinke it as easie to rule multitudes as a few in a Parlour wee might be easily as happy in our power as all the Churches under Heaven Then I pray tell me say they the reason of two things why ungodly men are not cast out and why your excommunication is thundred against good men meaning Solution 1 themselves The reason of the first is because good Canons are not observed Were Bishops never so good and their officers never so carefull under them yet if Church-wardens that should upon the oath of God present scandals thinke thus I shall be accounted a troubler of my neighbours our presentments come to nothing but to make the court rich to present the poore brings but charge to the parish meaning his owne purse no man can observe all the Canons or it is better to punish them before the civill magistrate out of prejudice to courts of spirituall judicature then is it impossible be the governement never so good that wicked men should bee cast out But if Church-wardens be as the house of Cloe to Paul to give true information and to open the eyes of the not-seeing judge they shall soone heere as of that incestuous person Cast them out But the truth is this question neede not be moved by them seeing they see more cast out in our Churches then in the Churches of Corinth whereof choise of wicked members we heare onely of excommunicating onely one beast To the second quaere I answere because it Solution 2 may fall out so in all the societies in the world that a good man may not be a good citizen nor a good member of a visible Church If then they are cast out it is not for goodnesse but because they are not good enough There is a double goodnesse a certaine goodnesse and a controversal goodnesse which is so judged of some good men but not so of others as good as they No good man is cast out by us for certaine goodnesse but for controversal which ends in stirres and tumults and then I would they were cut off that trouble you saith Paul Againe there is a double goodnesse in the thing it selfe and in the carriage of it as Iobs cause was good yet he carried it badly and therefore before God received him to his favour he was driven to abhorre himselfe and repent in dust and ashes No man by us is cast out for any good thing but for his undiscreet and bad carriage of it A man doth not onely love the meate but the dressing of it so doth God the manner as well as the matter and so doth the Church If therefore the carriage of goodnesse end in faction and turbulency the actours happly may bee justly cast out for a time to make them more humbly wise Yea but say they such good men as were persecuted for our consciences by the Bishops and their instruments with their curses and prisons when wicked men are spared It may fall out so justly in three cases when wicked men confesse their faults and they deny them when there is publicke cognisance by a cleare and open law against their faults and not against the other And thirdly when one disturbs the publike peace of the church more then the other For as it is well said in a Common-wealth some smaller offence hath heavier punishment as breaking open a poore Cottage where no goods are lost or person hurt then the stealing of some cattell which haply are more worth because the publike tranquility and peace of subjects is more hurt so also is it justly in the Church when publike peace is in hazard But is the sinne of separation so great that it should be punished more then blasphemy perjury whoring drunkennesse say they All these and other sinnes are detestable and by all lawes fall under great censures and finde not the spirit of meeknesse but the rod when the sleepy consciences of Officers will present them in due course of Law Yet the sinne of separation is very great It makes men throw durt in their mothers face and defile their fathers and brethren It stands and pleads it own justification in despight of government whereas the other are selfe condemned wretches It sowreth many quickly under shew of holinesse whereas the other are abhorred by a naturall conscience It begets divisions which breed thoughts of heart and proud contentions whereas none will contend in defence of the other yea it shakes the hearts of men in Religion making them to doubt whether any Religion be good For while they see these that are reputed good men to be so divided the adversary triumphs the scoffer mockes but the serious Christian that knowes he must have a Religion to bring him to heaven knowes not which way to take His body is in one Church his soule in another his opinion in neither but as the wind of affection and the tide of well pleasing persons carry him whereas the other move him not one foo● in Religion For Religion gives holy and good principles If they be not sucked into make men better it is not because Religion is naught but because those that professe it are too bad as they will know in the day of our Lord Iesus Weigh but this throughly and you will not blame Bishops for the punishment of the vaine sinne of separation But put case say they that they did well in all their former use of excommunication yet when they make it base and vile in excommunicating for triviall and unworthy causes as fees and small portions of money to be paid by them that are not able to pay in this they sinne against the Kingdome of Christ Indeed if it be so through Bishops faults now verily there is a fault I know no Bishop in our Church but would willingly redresse it If
Master For hee saith that what he received of the Lord he delivered unto them but he doth not speake one word of the gesture Therefore sitting is no act of Religion the gesture is left to the Church they may kneele or Paul is unfaithfull Lastly if they kneele not they bring juster censures upon themselves then they can give to us that kneele which they are bound to avoid As they be justly charged first to worship God by the will of man and so in vaine For to place a worship of God in sitting or standing rather then in kneeling is a worship of God by the will of man because they have no such warrant from God Secondly they be justly charged to adde to or take from the Word and so to corrupt it For all impositions upon the conscience which God hath not warranted are such additions But such are these new traditions as kneele not but stand or sit touch not taste not which things perish with the using Thirdly they are justly charged to have communion with the worst hereticks For Arrians doe directly deny the Divinity of Christ and to professe themselves to doe it they will not kneele at the Communion of the blessed Body and Bloud of Christ but sit These charges they lay upon us but more justly they lye upon themselves because we make not kneeling an act of worship from men or an addition to the Word but onely an act of good order to witnesse our reverence to God who is pl●ased to give us such a pledge of his love How they will answer these things to God I know not They either cannot or will not answer them to me onely they put in their plea against kneeling in the act of receiving which I shall now labour to remove They mainly urge the example of Christ that he and his Disciples sat at the supper But all the world is not able to prove that they sat at the delivering and receiving of the Bread and Cup. Hee sate down indeed with them but then hee tooke he blessed hee brake he gave what gesture hee used in blessing they cannot tell Certainely if according to Scripture examples hee either kneeled or stood then whether after his blessing they sate downe againe let them tell me Never let them dreame that hee sate as a shadow of rest in heaven for let them shew that Christs pleasure was to ordaine shadowes in the New Testament when the body was come and Canaan that old shadow was to be cursed or if hee did I le tell them that Paul was an unfaithfull servant that would not teach that shadow to the Corinthians to whom he professeth to deliver what he received But grant that Christ did sit what hee occasionally did is no example to binde us to doe the like but as by occasion hee administred at night after supper with unlevined bread so hee might occasionally sit according to the ceremony of the Jewish Church at the Passeover Besides if they would sit because Christ sate they must sit as hee did or else they doe not imitate Christ but Christ might sit a sacrifice way or lying along and leaning which they doe not observe But put case they sit not in every point like Christ yet they tell us of the fitnesse of this gesture to signifie our fellowship with Christ on earth and in heaven Th● they will ordaine a significant ceremony against us but not for us And in truth they dreame so much of fellowship with Christ that they forget him to be their Soveraigne King and Lord and so are too sawcie with him But for the Table gesture will they have all other formalities at a Table fit for the Table of the Lord I● not why must this alone be fit when Christ hath no said so Besides if Table gesture be urged Christs example doth not binde For his was not a common Table gesture but onely used at sacrifices and sacred Feasts when they did discumbe or lye along Had Christ told us that this was the fittest gesture we should have rested in his pleasure but he having left it at liberty and even common understanding judging of it fittest to receive a seale of a pardon upon the knee as the greatest signe of thankfulnesse used for such a favour why wee should not take it up wee cannot yet see Yea but say they we doe not only looke to the fitnesse of sitting but to the beginning of kneeling It was begun by a wicked Pope in honour of the breaden God and therefore not to be continued by us Put case this plea were true yet that which was misapplied to the honour of a creature may I hope be rightly applied to the honour of our God for else no man may sit because the accursed Arrians have brought in this sitting at the Sacrament to dishonour Christ And the Pope seconds them who sits then in state to advance himselfe above all Gods people both Kings and beggars But the truth is that no Pope brought in kneeling in the act of receiving It was brought in by him indeed at the Elevation and when the Sacrament was carried in procession but not as we doe use it They have no Law that I could ever yet read of save onely for the Pope himselfe to receive it sitting but onely the Law of Custome and Convenience to receive it kneeling Put case all this bee true yet say they the use of kneeling stickes with them They doe not know why they should kneele now seeing kneeling is a part of GODS worship or a signe of it It is no part of Gods worship or signe of it in it selfe for then wee might not use it in civill or ordinary things Indeede wee are exhorted to it which shewes the lawfulnesse of it as wee are to praise GOD in the dance and to clap our hands but there is no Precept which bindes it to GOD alone The Servants of GOD have sometimes stood and sometimes sate reverendly before the LORD and sometimes laine along that GOD might have his worship in all gestures left free to the users But why should they speake of worship heere when wee neither require kneeling to worship the consecrated Bread by no nor him that doth administer the Sacrament but to testifye our humble thankefulnesse to GOD for our pardon sealed There remaines now nothing of worth under this head but their readie obedience when GOD shall humble their mindes and quiet their hearts that they may live in peace and worship with us The second and third things that trouble them are in our Baptisme and are the Crosse in Baptisme and the Respon●es or Answeres of the Godfathers and Godmothers in the childes name As for the Crosse I wondred alwayes that private persons should once name it seeing it concernes the consciences of us that administer not of infants that receive it who by it are made neither better nor worse