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point_n more_o clear_o than_o he_o have_v do_v here_o show_v the_o use_n and_o custom_n of_o catholic_a people_n in_o his_o time_n not_o only_o approve_v and_o high_o commend_v by_o he_o as_o it_o be_v evident_a by_o that_o which_o i_o have_v lay_v down_o before_o but_o also_o confirm_v 20._o and_o ratify_v by_o almighty_a god_n with_o miraculous_a effect_n and_o the_o grant_n of_o pious_a petition_n make_v by_o devout_a people_n to_o the_o holy_a martyr_n and_o saint_n at_o their_o monument_n and_o else_o where_o all_o which_o i_o say_v be_v witness_v by_o s._n basil_n be_v true_o asleep_o far_o great_a testimony_n for_o we_o then_o if_o he_o shall_v have_v only_o declare_v his_o own_o opinion_n so_o as_o a_o man_n may_v wonder_v with_o what_o face_n m._n andrew_n can_v admit_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o father_n and_o yet_o reject_v their_o testimony_n of_o such_o fact_n as_o these_o whereby_o they_o show_v not_o only_o their_o own_o belief_n but_o also_o the_o belief_n and_o 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be_v to_o pray_v at_o the_o tomb_n of_o the_o martyr_n and_o make_v no_o express_a mention_n of_o pray_v to_o they_o whereto_o i_o answer_v as_o to_o the_o former_a charge_n that_o the_o latin_a translator_n who_o word_n the_o cardinal_n cite_v follow_v the_o sense_n of_o eusâ—bius_n gather_v the_o same_o out_o of_o the_o circumstance_n of_o the_o place_n for_o eusebius_n show_v there_o the_o conformity_n of_o plato_n doctrine_n to_o our_o christian_a religion_n lay_v down_o plato_n word_n wherein_o he_o say_v that_o those_o which_o be_v virtuous_a and_o valiant_a man_n and_o die_v for_o the_o defence_n of_o their_o country_n become_v after_o their_o death_n semidei_fw-la half_a god_n and_o deliver_v man_n from_o many_o evil_n and_o be_v serve_v and_o worship_v as_o god_n &_o their_o monument_n and_o tomb_n adore_v 30._o whereupon_o eusebius_n to_o show_v the_o like_a practice_n of_o christian_n say_v that_o it_o be_v usual_a &_o ordinary_a among_o christian_n to_o go_v to_o the_o tomb_n of_o martyr_n and_o there_o to_o pray_v and_o to_o honour_v their_o bless_a soul_n for_o so_o have_v the_o greek_a which_o be_v consider_v together_o with_o the_o doctrine_n of_o plato_n before_o relate_v concern_v the_o honour_n and_o worship_v do_v to_o the_o semidei_fw-la and_o the_o conformity_n thereof_o with_o christian_a religion_n urge_v by_o eusebius_n as_o also_o that_o the_o common_a custom_n of_o christian_n be_v at_o that_o time_n to_o pray_v to_o martyr_n by_o name_n as_o i_o have_v show_v a_o little_a before_o totum_fw-la by_o the_o authority_n of_o s._n basil_n and_o will_v show_v further_o after_o a_o while_n all_o this_o i_o say_v be_v consider_v the_o translator_n have_v reason_n to_o understand_v that_o the_o prayer_n which_o eusebius_n say_v the_o christian_n make_v at_o the_o tomb_n of_o martyr_n be_v direct_v to_o they_o and_o not_o to_o god_n only_o especial_o see_v that_o all_o the_o prayer_n honour_n and_o service_n exhibit_v to_o martyr_n either_o at_o 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the_o latin_a translation_n with_o all_o sincerity_n and_o thus_o much_o for_o this_o point_n 31._o furthermore_o m._n andrew_n add_v to_o the_o two_o former_a place_n another_o out_o of_o s._n chrysostome_n chrysostome_n which_o the_o cardinal_n cite_v thus_o saepius_fw-la illos_fw-la invisamus_fw-la tumulos_fw-la adoremus_fw-la etc._n etc._n let_v we_o often_o visit_v these_o martyr_n to_o wit_n s._n iwentinus_fw-la and_o s._n maximus_n let_v we_o adore_v their_o tomb_n &_o let_v we_o with_o great_a faith_n touch_v their_o relic_n to_o the_o end_n we_o may_v obtain_v some_o benediction_n thereby_o thus_o far_o the_o cardinal_n out_o of_o s._n chrysostome_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o ancient_a father_n of_o the_o first_o 400._o year_n and_o namely_o s._n chrysostome_n approve_v the_o veneration_n of_o holy_a relic_n wherein_o m._n andrew_n pretend_v to_o have_v find_v two_o fraud_n neque_fw-la the_o one_o in_o the_o translation_n of_o the_o greek_a and_o the_o other_o in_o the_o 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god_n and_o we_o whereby_o christ_n mediation_n for_o we_o be_v whole_o exclude_v to_o the_o utter_a subversion_n and_o overthrow_v of_o our_o christian_a faith_n explicate_v 9_o and_o to_o the_o end_n that_o all_o this_o may_v be_v yet_o more_o clear_a we_o be_v to_o consider_v that_o religio_fw-la angelorum_fw-la the_o religion_n or_o superstitious_a worship_n of_o angel_n which_o s._n paul_n reprehend_v in_o the_o epistle_n to_o the_o colossenses_n that_o theodoret_n expound_v be_v no_o other_o but_o some_o such_o magical_a or_o idolatrous_a worship_n exhibit_v to_o angel_n as_o the_o disciple_n of_o simon_n magus_n use_v whereof_o finâ—_n tertullian_n say_v simonianae_n magiae_fw-la disciplina_fw-la angelis_n seruiens_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o discipline_n of_o simons_n magic_a serve_v angel_n be_v also_o hold_v to_o be_v idolatry_n or_o some_o such_o other_o as_o may_v spring_v from_o the_o blasphemous_a heresy_n of_o 28._o cerinthus_n who_o so_o much_o abuse_v
the_o same_o be_v to_o be_v extend_v to_o the_o new_a law_n as_o well_o may_v he_o say_v that_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o observe_v the_o whole_a law_n and_o so_o prove_v himself_o a_o jew_n &_o evacuate_v the_o law_n of_o christ_n as_o saint_n paul_n argue_v against_o 5._o those_o that_o maintain_v the_o use_n of_o circumcision_n together_o with_o the_o faith_n of_o christ._n 27._o nevertheless_o i_o say_v not_o this_o to_o exclude_v all_o manner_n of_o argument_n moses_n or_o inference_n draw_v from_o the_o old_a law_n to_o the_o new_a that_o the_o same_o remain_n within_o the_o limit_n of_o probability_n as_o from_o the_o figure_n to_o the_o verity_n which_o admit_v many_o limitation_n and_o exception_n but_o to_o exclude_v the_o obligation_n of_o all_o precept_n either_o ceremonial_a 16._o or_o judicial_a which_o do_v not_o in_o any_o sort_n bind_v we_o now_o as_o i_o have_v show_v in_o the_o first_o chapter_n of_o this_o adjoinder_n and_o therefore_o whereas_o m._n andrews_n say_v here_o cum_fw-la praeceptum_fw-la acceperimus_fw-la in_o lege_fw-la disertis_fw-la verbis_fw-la etc._n etc._n see_v we_o have_v receive_v a_o precept_n in_o the_o law_n in_o express_a word_n etc._n etc._n jew._n i_o say_v to_o he_o that_o see_v this_o precept_n do_v undouted_o belong_v to_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n and_o concern_v only_o the_o manner_n of_o worship_n to_o be_v do_v to_o god_n by_o sacrifice_n he_o show_v himself_o a_o flat_a jew_n in_o say_v that_o we_o christian_n have_v receive_v this_o precept_n in_o the_o law_n 28._o furthermore_o he_o be_v to_o understand_v that_o albeit_o we_o shall_v grant_v that_o nothing_o can_v be_v practise_v or_o teach_v in_o the_o new_a law_n without_o some_o precept_n or_o doctrine_n thereof_o deliver_v by_o our_o saviour_n christ_n unto_o his_o church_n yet_o he_o can_v gain_v nothing_o thereby_o except_o he_o can_v also_o prove_v that_o all_o our_o saviour_n precept_n and_o doctrine_n be_v express_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n which_o neither_o he_o nor_o any_o of_o his_o fellow_n have_v be_v able_a yet_o to_o prove_v or_o ever_o shall_v be_v it_o be_v evident_a that_o our_o saviour_n neither_o command_v any_o thing_n at_o all_o to_o be_v write_v but_o to_o be_v preach_v and_o teach_v say_v praedicate_fw-la evangelium_fw-la etc._n etc._n preach_v the_o gospel_n to_o every_o creature_n and_o again_o docete_fw-la omnes_fw-la gentes_fw-la etc._n etc._n teach_v all_o nation_n 28._o baptise_v they_o &c._n &c._n neither_o do_v the_o apostle_n either_o write_v any_o thing_n of_o diverse_a year_n after_o christ_n ascension_n or_o when_o they_o write_v deliver_v all_o christ_n doctrine_n and_o their_o own_o by_o writing_n 2._o but_o very_o many_o thing_n by_o tradition_n in_o which_o respect_n the_o apostle_n himself_o say_v tenete_fw-la traditiones_fw-la quas_fw-la accepistis_fw-la sive_fw-la per_fw-la sermonem_fw-la sive_fw-la per._n epistolam_fw-la nostram_fw-la hold_v the_o tradition_n which_o you_o have_v receive_v either_o by_o word_n or_o by_o our_o epistle_n by_o which_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n the_o ancient_a father_n namely_o 2._o s._n chrysostome_n 61_o s._n epiphanius_n 29._o s._n basil_n s._n john_n 17_o damascen_n 2._o oecumenius_n theophilactus_fw-la and_o the_o 8._o general_n 1._o council_n do_v prove_v the_o necessary_a use_n of_o unwritten_a tradition_n in_o the_o church_n and_o among_o the_o rest_n s_o chrysostome_n say_v hinc_fw-la patet_fw-la etc._n etc._n hereby_o it_o be_v manife_a that_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o deliver_v all_o thing_n by_o epistle_n but_o many_o thing_n without_o writing_n eadem_fw-la fide_fw-la digna_fw-la sunt_fw-la tam_fw-la illa_fw-la quam_fw-la ista_fw-la as_o well_o those_o thing_n as_o these_o be_v worthy_a of_o the_o same_o credit_n rule_n 29._o for_o this_o cause_n s._n augustine_n give_v this_o general_a rule_n that_o whatsoever_o the_o whole_a church_n retain_v whereof_o the_o beginning_n can_v be_v deduce_v either_o from_o the_o scripture_n or_o general_n counsel_n or_o some_o late_a institution_n the_o same_o be_v undouted_o deliver_v by_o the_o apostle_n and_o this_o he_o urge_v 23._o very_o often_o as_o a_o most_o assure_a ground_n and_o principle_n against_o the_o donatist_n and_o for_o the_o same_o reason_n not_o only_o he_o but_o also_o all_o other_o father_n teach_v that_o the_o general_a custom_n of_o the_o church_n be_v a_o infallible_a and_o evident_a proof_n of_o the_o truth_n in_o any_o controversy_n in_o so_o much_o that_o he_o affirm_v it_o to_o be_v insolentissimae_fw-la insaniae_fw-la a_o point_n of_o most_o insolent_a madness_n to_o dispute_v or_o doubt_v of_o it_o as_o i_o have_v declare_v in_o the_o last_o chapter_n which_o i_o wish_v m._n andrews_n well_o to_o observe_v as_o also_o the_o other_o testimony_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n produce_v there_o concern_v this_o point_n 49._o 30._o now_o then_o hereupon_o i_o conclude_v two_o thing_n the_o one_o that_o m._n andrews_n who_o as_o he_o say_v dare_v do_v nothing_o without_o a_o write_a precept_n may_v lay_v away_o his_o scruple_n in_o matter_n that_o be_v general_o practise_v by_o the_o church_n the_o other_o that_o see_v it_o be_v evident_a by_o these_o testimony_n of_o so_o many_o holy_a and_o learned_a father_n as_o have_v be_v here_o allege_v that_o the_o whole_a church_n in_o their_o day_n practise_v prayer_n to_o saint_n as_o a_o thing_n most_o beneficial_a to_o man_n and_o honourable_a to_o god_n and_o that_o they_o acknowledge_v the_o evident_a and_o miraculous_a benefit_n that_o grow_v to_o man_n thereby_o yea_o urge_v the_o same_o against_o the_o very_a gentill_n and_o paynim_n as_o invincible_a argument_n of_o the_o divinity_n of_o christ_n and_o of_o the_o verity_n of_o christian_a religion_n and_o see_v also_o that_o this_o practice_n custom_n and_o belief_n be_v then_o general_a when_o christian_a religion_n most_o flourish_v i_o mean_v in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o 4._o first_o general_n counsel_n and_o when_o the_o church_n abound_v most_o with_o famous_a doctor_n pastor_n and_o father_n it_o must_v needs_o be_v grant_v that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o prayer_n to_o saint_n be_v a_o irrefragable_a verity_n and_o that_o according_a to_o s._n augustine_n censure_n it_o be_v no_o less_o than_o insolent_a madness_n in_o m._n andrew_n to_o call_v it_o in_o question_n man_n and_o much_o more_o to_o impugn_v it_o with_o such_o frivolous_a reason_n as_o he_o do_v and_o especial_o with_o a_o ceremonial_a precept_n of_o the_o mosaycall_a law_n as_o if_o he_o be_v a_o jew_n and_o not_o a_o christian_a see_v that_o he_o acknowledge_v himself_o to_o have_v receive_v a_o precept_n thereby_o disertis_fw-la verbis_fw-la in_o express_a word_n which_o i_o think_v no_o good_a christian_n will_v say_v of_o any_o precept_n atque_fw-la belong_v to_o the_o ceremonial_a or_o judicial_a law_n 31._o but_o m._n andrews_n go_v yet_o further_o and_o exact_v at_o least_o some_o example_n of_o it_o in_o the_o scripture_n edition_n if_o there_o be_v no_o precept_n whereto_o s._n augustine_n answer_v sufficient_o when_o he_o say_v to_o a_o donatist_n who_o make_v the_o like_a demand_n about_o the_o rebaptisation_n of_o such_o as_o be_v baptize_v by_o heretic_n that_o see_v there_o be_v no_o example_n or_o express_v mention_n of_o it_o in_o scripture_n and_o that_o christ_n have_v clear_o and_o express_o recommend_v unto_o we_o the_o authority_n of_o his_o universal_a church_n disperse_v thoughout_n the_o world_n the_o testimony_n and_o custom_n of_o that_o church_n be_v to_o be_v admit_v and_o embrace_v and_o whosoever_o reject_v or_o resist_v the_o same_o 33._o do_v most_o pernicious_o resist_v our_o saviour_n himself_o against_o his_o own_o salvation_n thus_o say_v s._n augustine_n in_o substance_n though_o much_o more_o ample_o who_o also_o speak_v elsewhere_o of_o the_o same_o point_n give_v this_o notable_a and_o general_a rule_n that_o for_o as_o much_o as_o the_o holy_a scripture_n do_v undoubted_o recommend_v unto_o we_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n etiam_fw-la in_o hac_fw-la re_fw-la à _fw-la nobis_fw-la tenetur_fw-la scripturarum_fw-la veritas_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o veriâ—y_n of_o scripture_n be_v retain_v by_o we_o in_o this_o point_n when_o we_o do_v that_o which_o have_v already_o please_v the_o whole_a church_n so_o he_o and_o so_o say_v i_o to_o m._n andrews_n in_o this_o our_o case_n to_o wit_n that_o see_v it_o be_v evident_a by_o the_o testimony_n of_o all_o antiquity_n that_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v general_o admit_v and_o practise_v by_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o from_o thence_o have_v descend_v to_o our_o time_n there_o need_v no_o example_n of_o it_o in_o scripture_n because_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n which_o the_o scripture_n do_v express_o recommend_v unto_o we_o suffice_v to_o warrant_v the_o same_o scripture_n 32._o and_o true_o it_o may_v seem_v strange_a that_o m._n andrews_n or_o any_o of_o his_o fellow_n of_o the_o english_a clergy_n do_v
1â—_n and_o saint_n be_v present_a among_o man_n per_fw-la divinam_fw-la potentiam_fw-la by_o the_o divine_a power_n 63._o and_o to_o show_v this_o the_o cardinal_n allege_v these_o word_n out_o of_o the_o say_a treatise_n of_o s._n augustine_n non_fw-la ideo_fw-la putandum_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n it_o be_v not_o therefore_o to_o be_v think_v that_o every_o one_o of_o the_o dead_a may_v be_v present_a at_o the_o affair_n of_o man_n because_o the_o martyr_n be_v present_a in_o heal_v and_o help_v some_o man_n but_o rather_o it_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v that_o because_o the_o dead_a can_v be_v present_a among_o man_n by_o their_o own_o nature_n therefore_o the_o martyr_n be_v present_a at_o man_n affair_n by_o the_o divine_a power_n thus_o say_v s._n augustine_n where_o you_o see_v he_o distinguish_v betwixt_o natural_a and_o supernatural_a mean_n and_o betwixt_o the_o glorify_a saint_n of_o god_n for_o such_o be_v the_o martyr_n of_o who_o he_o speak_v and_o other_o dead_a man_n grant_v that_o the_o martyr_n do_v that_o by_o supernatural_a and_o divine_a mean_n which_o other_o dead_a man_n can_v natural_o do_v and_o this_o be_v the_o same_o in_o effect_n that_o all_o catholic_n hold_v concern_v the_o knowledge_n that_o the_o glorify_a saint_n have_v of_o thing_n do_v in_o earth_n to_o wit_n that_o they_o do_v not_o know_v the_o same_o natural_o but_o by_o supernatural_a mean_n whether_o they_o see_v it_o in_o see_v the_o divine_a essence_n or_o know_v it_o otherwise_o by_o revelation_n so_o as_o thereby_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o m._n andrew_n have_v notable_o abuse_v both_o s._n augustine_n and_o the_o cardinal_n s._n augustine_n in_o make_v he_o to_o affirm_v of_o glorify_a saint_n that_o which_o he_o speak_v of_o other_o dead_a man_n as_o if_o he_o make_v no_o difference_n between_o the_o supernatural_a knowledge_n and_o power_n of_o the_o one_o and_o the_o natural_a of_o the_o other_o which_o he_o evident_o distinguish_v also_o he_o abuse_v the_o cardinal_n in_o take_v hold_n of_o his_o objection_n and_o dissemble_v his_o solution_n which_o be_v one_o of_o the_o most_o gross_a and_o palpable_a fraud_n or_o rather_o foolery_n that_o may_v be_v imagine_v in_o this_o kind_n andrew_n 64._o furthermore_o whereas_o the_o cardinal_n produce_v the_o evident_a and_o clear_a testimony_n of_o s._n augustine_n to_o prove_v that_o many_o miracle_n be_v do_v by_o the_o relic_n of_o s._n stephen_n in_o africa_n m._n andrews_n wish_v the_o cardinal_n to_o consider_v how_o he_o can_v well_o and_o handsome_o reconcile_v augustine_n with_o augustine_n concern_v those_o miracle_n 157._o and_o his_o reason_n be_v because_o augustine_n say_v in_o a_o epistle_n to_o his_o clergy_n 1._o and_o all_o the_o people_n of_o hippo_n nusquam_fw-la hic_fw-la in_o africa_n tâ—lia_fw-la fieri_fw-la se_fw-la scire_fw-la he_o know_v that_o such_o thing_n be_v not_o do_v any_o where_o in_o africa_n which_o i_o beseech_v thou_o good_a reader_n to_o note_v and_o thou_o shall_v evident_o see_v the_o good_a conscience_n of_o m._n andrews_n 137_o who_o abuse_v s._n augustine_n notable_o two_o way_n the_o one_o in_o make_v he_o seem_v to_o contradict_v himself_o most_o manifest_o impudent_o yea_o and_o to_o give_v himself_o as_o it_o be_v the_o lie_n witness_v in_o one_o place_n matter_n of_o fact_n upon_o his_o own_o knowledge_n for_o so_o he_o testify_v those_o miracle_n do_v by_o s._n stephen_n relic_n and_o in_o another_o place_n affirm_v that_o he_o know_v the_o same_o to_o be_v false_a for_o so_o must_v it_o needs_o be_v if_o he_o know_v that_o such_o thing_n be_v not_o do_v any_o where_o in_o africa_n the_o other_o abuse_n be_v in_o that_o he_o pervert_v the_o sense_n of_o s._n augustin_n epistle_n as_o it_o will_v easy_o appear_v if_o we_o consider_v the_o occasion_n why_o s._n augustine_n write_v the_o same_o which_o therefore_o i_o think_v good_a here_o to_o relate_v 65._o a_o scandalous_a quarrel_n be_v fall_v out_o betwixt_o a_o chaplain_n of_o s._n augustin_n and_o a_o young_a man_n concern_v a_o infamous_a calumniation_n raise_v by_o the_o young_a man_n against_o the_o priest_n whereof_o the_o truth_n can_v not_o be_v try_v or_o know_v because_o the_o matter_n depend_v whole_o upon_o their_o own_o oath_n and_o testimony_n s._n augustin_n advise_v they_o to_o go_v to_o nola_n in_o italy_n to_o the_o body_n of_o s._n felix_n where_o it_o please_v god_n ordinary_o in_o like_a case_n to_o discover_v perjury_n by_o the_o miraculous_a punishment_n of_o the_o perjure_a person_n and_o of_o this_o he_o think_v good_a afterward_o to_o give_v account_n unto_o his_o clergy_n and_o people_n for_o their_o satisfaction_n which_o he_o do_v by_o the_o epistle_n that_o m._n andrews_n cit_v wherein_o discourse_v by_o the_o occasion_n of_o this_o matter_n why_o almighty_a god_n do_v such_o miracle_n in_o some_o place_n and_o not_o in_o other_o he_o say_v â—37_n multis_fw-la notissima_fw-la est_fw-la sanctitas_fw-la loci_fw-la etc._n etc._n many_o do_v very_o well_o know_v the_o holiness_n of_o the_o place_n where_o lie_v the_o body_n of_o bless_a felix_n of_o nola_n whither_o i_o ordain_v they_o to_o go_v because_o from_o thence_o i_o may_v more_o easy_o and_o true_o understand_v by_o letter_n whatsoever_o that_o shall_v please_v god_n to_o manifest_v in_o either_o of_o they_o so_o he_o and_o then_o have_v add_v that_o also_o in_o milan_n a_o perjure_a thief_n be_v discover_v miraculous_o at_o the_o monument_n of_o certain_a saint_n and_o force_v to_o restore_v that_o which_o he_o have_v steal_v he_o say_v further_a thus_o numquid_fw-la non_fw-la africa_n etc._n etc._n be_v not_o africa_n full_a of_o the_o body_n of_o holy_a martyr_n &_o tamen_fw-la nusquam_fw-la hic_fw-la scimus_fw-la talia_fw-la fieri_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o nevertheless_o we_o know_v that_o such_o thing_n that_o be_v to_o say_v miracle_n in_o this_o kind_n be_v not_o do_v any_o where_o here_o in_o africa_n for_o even_o as_o the_o apostle_n say_v that_o all_o holy_a man_n have_v not_o the_o gift_n of_o heal_a so_o also_o he_o who_o divide_v thing_n proper_a or_o peculiar_a to_o every_o one_o as_o it_o please_v he_o will_v not_o have_v these_o thing_n to_o be_v do_v at_o all_o the_o memory_n or_o monument_n of_o saint_n thus_o say_v s._n augustine_n 66._o whereby_o i_o doubt_v not_o but_o thou_o see_v good_a reader_n in_o what_o sense_n he_o deny_v miracle_n to_o have_v be_v do_v in_o africa_n that_o be_v to_o say_v such_o miracle_n as_o be_v do_v at_o the_o body_n of_o s._n felix_n for_o the_o discovery_n and_o punishment_n of_o perjury_n and_o not_o such_o as_o he_o testify_v else_o where_o to_o have_v be_v ordinary_o do_v at_o the_o relic_n of_o s._n stephen_n 8._o whereof_o he_o recount_v such_o a_o multitude_n with_o such_o asseveration_n of_o his_o own_o knowledge_n thereof_o and_o public_a testymony_n of_o a_o infinite_a number_n of_o witness_n and_o such_o particular_a relation_n of_o circumstance_n time_n and_o place_n that_o a_o man_n must_v hold_v he_o for_o the_o most_o impudent_a liar_n that_o ever_o write_v if_o they_o be_v not_o most_o true_a beside_o that_o write_v the_o same_o as_o he_o do_v for_o the_o proof_n of_o christian_a religion_n against_o pagan_n and_o infidel_n it_o can_v without_o extreme_a folly_n be_v imagine_v that_o such_o a_o learned_a wise_a and_o holy_a man_n as_o he_o will_v be_v so_o prodigal_a not_o only_o of_o his_o own_o credit_n and_o reputation_n but_o also_o of_o the_o honour_n of_o christian_a religion_n as_o to_o expose_v the_o same_o to_o the_o derision_n of_o the_o paynim_n by_o seek_v to_o confirm_v it_o by_o fable_n and_o lie_v which_o every_o man_n in_o those_o part_n as_o well_o the_o paynime_n themselves_o as_o other_o may_v have_v control_v and_o will_v have_v deride_v if_o they_o have_v be_v feign_v 67._o final_o these_o miracle_n of_o s._n stephen_n which_o m._n andrew_n call_v here_o in_o question_n be_v testify_v by_o s._n augustine_n in_o that_o work_n which_o m._n andrew_n himself_o so_o much_o esteem_v else_o where_o numquam_fw-la that_o allege_v out_o of_o it_o a_o sentence_n which_o he_o think_v may_v make_v for_o he_o he_o call_v it_o opus_fw-la palmare_fw-la de_fw-la civitate_fw-la dei_fw-la the_o principal_a or_o most_o excellent_a work_n of_o augustine_n of_o the_o city_n of_o god_n and_o yet_o now_o he_o will_v fain_o disgrace_v it_o or_o rather_o s._n augustine_n himself_o by_o the_o imputation_n of_o a_o contradiction_n which_o he_o will_v the_o reader_n shall_v suppose_v to_o be_v betwixt_o it_o and_o the_o foresay_a epistle_n of_o s._n augustine_n whereas_o you_o see_v and_o m._n andrews_n know_v it_o in_o his_o own_o conscience_n that_o there_o be_v no_o contradiction_n in_o the_o world_n betwixt_o they_o but_o that_o both_o of_o they_o do_v notable_o and_o clear_o testify_v the_o
thing_n express_v by_o the_o name_n and_o so_o in_o conclusion_n with_o his_o fatemur_fw-la omne_fw-la he_o acknowledge_v we_o for_o true_a catholic_n and_o himself_o and_o his_o fellow_n for_o heretic_n 19_o and_o therefore_o i_o may_v well_o say_v unto_o he_o with_o our_o saviour_n in_o the_o gospel_n ex_fw-la ore_fw-la tuo_fw-la te_fw-la iudico_fw-la serve_v nequam_fw-la 35._o and_o the_o like_v i_o may_v also_o say_v concern_v his_o grant_n in_o another_o matter_n nostr_n to_o wit_n that_o our_o bishop_n be_v true_a bishop_n and_o that_o the_o protestant_a bishop_n of_o england_n have_v their_o ordination_n from_o we_o yea_o from_o 3._o of_o we_o for_o so_o he_o give_v to_o understand_v whereupon_o he_o also_o infer_v that_o he_o and_o his_o fellow_n superintendents_n have_v a_o true_a ordination_n and_o succession_n from_o the_o catholic_a church_n whereas_o the_o quite_o contrary_a follow_v upon_o his_o grant_n for_o if_o our_o bishop_n be_v true_a bishop_n as_o have_v a_o true_a succession_n from_o the_o apostle_n and_o that_o the_o protestant_n bishop_n have_v no_o other_o lawful_a ordination_n but_o from_o we_o two_o consequent_n do_v direct_o follow_v thereon_o the_o one_o that_o we_o have_v the_o true_a church_n and_o doctrine_n if_o m._n andrew_n his_o fellow_n and_o friend_n m._n barlow_n septemb_n say_v true_a who_o in_o his_o famous_a sermon_n mention_v by_o i_o 77._o else_o where_o affirm_v the_o successive_a propagation_n of_o bishop_n from_o the_o apostle_n to_o be_v the_o main_n root_n of_o christian_a society_n according_a to_o s._n augustine_n and_o the_o main_n proof_n of_o christian_a doctrine_n according_a to_o tertullian_n as_o i_o have_v show_v ample_o in_o my_o seq_n suplement_n and_o prove_v thereby_o that_o m._n barlow_n and_o his_o fellow_n be_v e_z heretic_n and_o schismatic_n the_o other_o consequent_a be_v that_o if_o the_o english_a protestant_a bishop_n have_v no_o other_o lawful_a ordination_n then_o from_o the_o catholic_n they_o have_v none_o at_o all_o for_o that_o at_o the_o change_n of_o religion_n in_o queen_n elizabeth_n time_n they_o be_v not_o ordain_v by_o any_o one_o catholic_a bishop_n and_o much_o less_o by_o three_o as_o m._n andrews_n say_v they_o be_v but_o by_o themselves_o and_o by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o parliament_n as_o i_o have_v also_o declare_v at_o large_a in_o my_o supplement_n 5._o where_o nevertheless_o i_o be_o to_o advertise_v thou_o good_a reader_n of_o a_o error_n not_o correct_v among_o the_o fault_n escape_v in_o the_o print_n for_o whereas_o it_o be_v say_v there_o they_o have_v almost_o seduce_v a_o irish_a archbishop_n and_o persuade_v he_o to_o consecrate_v some_o of_o they_o bishop_n there_o want_v certain_a word_n to_o wit_n a_o welsh_a bishop_n have_v in_o vain_a solicit_v which_o word_n be_v to_o be_v insert_v thus_o they_o have_v almost_o seduce_v a_o welsh_a bishop_n have_v in_o vain_a solicit_v a_o irish_a archbishop_n and_o persuade_v he_o to_o consecrate_v some_o of_o they_o bishop_n after_o the_o catholic_a manner_n etc._n etc._n and_o again_o a_o little_a after_o whereas_o it_o be_v say_v thus_o see_v the_o irish_a bishop_n will_v not_o perform_v his_o promise_n they_o resolve_v to_o ordain_v themselves_o &c._n &c._n there_o want_v also_o these_o word_n consâ—â—t_n nor_o the_o welsh_a bishop_n which_o word_n be_v to_o be_v add_v thuss_n see_v the_o irish_a bishop_n will_v not_o consent_v nor_o the_o welsh_a bishop_n perform_v his_o promise_n they_o resolve_v to_o ordain_v themselves_o thus_o i_o say_v it_o shall_v be_v correct_v 36._o whereby_o it_o may_v evident_o appear_v what_o a_o beggarly_a church_n and_o clergy_n they_o then_o have_v england_n and_o still_o have_v for_o have_v then_o not_o so_o much_o as_o any_o pretend_a archbishop_n or_o bishop_n of_o their_o own_o profession_n they_o be_v force_v to_o beg_v their_o consecration_n even_o of_o the_o catholic_n their_o adversary_n and_o have_v solicit_v a_o archbishop_n in_o vain_a and_o be_v out_o of_o hope_n to_o have_v the_o consent_n of_o a_o metropolitan_a to_o their_o ordination_n &_o much_o more_o to_o be_v consecrate_v by_o 2._o or_o 3._o bishop_n according_a to_o the_o ancient_a canon_n of_o the_o church_n they_o determine_v as_o i_o may_v say_v to_o play_v small_a game_n rather_o than_o to_o sit_v forth_o be_v desirous_a to_o have_v some_o kind_n of_o ordination_n from_o any_o one_o catholic_a though_o inferior_a bishop_n yea_o and_o in_o fine_o they_o seek_v to_o have_v it_o from_o such_o a_o one_o as_o be_v hold_v to_o be_v the_o simple_a man_n that_o then_o be_v or_o perhaps_o ever_o have_v be_v of_o the_o english_a clergy_n for_o so_o indeed_o be_v esteem_v the_o bishop_n of_o landâ—â—â—_n who_o they_o have_v almost_o inveygle_v and_o induce_v 〈◊〉_d their_o turn_n but_o almighty_a god_n out_o of_o his_o infinite_a providence_n so_o dispose_v for_o the_o eternal_a shame_n of_o their_o pretend_a prelacy_n and_o clergy_n that_o he_o also_o in_o the_o end_n refuse_v to_o do_v it_o upon_o a_o sharp_a message_n which_o he_o receive_v from_o bishop_n â—onner_o than_o prisoner_n who_o be_v bishop_n of_o london_n and_o consequent_o chief_a bishop_n in_o the_o province_n of_o canterbury_n by_o the_o death_n of_o cardinal_n pole_n archbishop_n thereof_o send_v one_o m._n cousin_n his_o chaplain_n to_o the_o say_a bishop_n of_o landaff_n to_o threaten_v he_o with_o excommunication_n in_o case_n he_o do_v consecrate_v any_o of_o they_o whereupon_o he_o defisted_a from_o his_o purpose_n and_o they_o resolve_v to_o ordain_v and_o consecrate_v one_o another_o and_o so_o they_o do_v as_o i_o have_v signify_v in_o my_o supplement_n upon_o the_o testimony_n of_o one_o that_o be_v a_o eye-witness_n of_o what_o pass_v among_o they_o at_o their_o ordination_n 5._o to_o wit_n m.i_o thomas_n nâ—ale_n a_o graveman_n well_o know_v no_o doubt_n to_o many_o yet_o live_v in_o oxford_n where_o he_o be_v many_o year_n after_o reader_n of_o the_o hebrew_n lecture_n 37._o whereupon_o i_o infer_v two_o thing_n the_o one_o that_o they_o have_v no_o clergy_n nor_o church_n for_o haâ—ing_v no_o bishop_n they_o have_v no_o priest_n because_o none_o can_v make_v priest_n but_o bishop_n and_o have_v neither_o bishop_n 6._o nor_o priest_n they_o have_v no_o clergy_n and_o consequent_o no_o church_n as_o i_o have_v show_v in_o my_o supplement_n out_o of_o s._n hierome_n lucifer_n the_o other_o be_v that_o m._n andrew_n and_o his_o fellow_n be_v neither_o true_a bishop_n nor_o have_v any_o succession_n from_o the_o catholic_a church_n as_o he_o say_v they_o have_v noâ—_n yet_o any_o lawful_a mission_n or_o vocationâ—_n and_o that_o therefore_o they_o be_v not_o those_o good_a shepherd_n which_o as_o our_o saviour_n say_v enter_v into_o the_o fold_n by_o the_o door_n 10._o but_o fures_fw-la &_o 〈◊〉_d thief_n and_o robbersâ—_n who_o climb_v up_o another_o way_n or_o break_v into_o it_o by_o intrusion_n and_o force_n ut_fw-la mactent_fw-la â—â—â—â—rdant_a to_o kill_v and_o destroy_v the_o flock_n and_o so_o they_o be_v rot_v buy_v break_v of_o from_o the_o may_v nâ—_n root_v of_o christian_a society_n and_o consequent_o heretic_n and_o schismatics_n as_o well_o by_o m._n barlowes_n ground_n before_o seq_n mention_v as_o according_a to_o m._n andrew_n his_o own_o grant_n else_o let_v he_o name_n unto_o we_o those_o 3._o catholic_a bishop_n who_o as_o he_o say_v consecrate_v their_o first_o bishop_n at_o the_o change_n of_o religion_n in_o queen_n elizabeth_n time_n 19_o which_o i_o know_v he_o can_v do_v and_o therefore_o i_o conclude_v of_o he_o in_o this_o point_n as_o i_o do_v in_o the_o last_o ex_fw-la ore_fw-la tuo_fw-la te_fw-la iudico_fw-la 38._o and_o this_o true_o may_v suffice_v to_o show_v how_o he_o fortify_v our_o cause_n and_o overthrow_v his_o own_o but_o that_o beside_o diverse_a other_o point_n which_o i_o may_v handle_v to_o this_o purpose_n and_o be_o force_v to_o omit_v for_o lack_v of_o time_n there_o be_v one_o whereof_o i_o promise_v in_o the_o last_o 81â—_n chapter_n to_o say_v somewhat_o to_o wit_n his_o doctrine_n touch_v the_o king_n ecclesiastical_a supremacy_n which_o in_o very_a truth_n he_o abase_v disgrace_v and_o utter_o supplant_v while_o he_o seek_v or_o at_o least_o pretend_v to_o confirm_v and_o establish_v it_o as_o have_v partly_o appear_v already_o by_o his_o grant_n that_o our_o saviour_n make_v s._n peter_n head_n of_o the_o apostle_n to_o take_v away_o all_o occasion_n of_o schism_n yea_o and_o that_o he_o give_v he_o as_o much_o authority_n as_o be_v necessary_a to_o that_o end_n whereupon_o i_o infer_v necessary_o that_o not_o only_a s._n peter_n but_o also_o his_o successor_n have_v all_o that_o power_n and_o authority_n which_o we_o attribute_v unto_o they_o as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o the_o three_o chapter_n sequent_a of_o this_o adjoinder_n and_o upon_o this_o it_o follow_v also_o