OF THE DIVISION BETVVEEN The ENGLISH AND ROMISH Church VPON THE REFORMATION By way of Answer to the seeming plausible Pretences of the ROMISH Party Much enlarged in this Edition By H. FERNE D. D. ACT. 24.14 After the way which they call Heresie so worship I the God of my fathers c. LONDON Printed by J. G. for Richard Royston at the Angel in Ivie-lane 1655. To the READER GOod Reader This Treatise was intended for private Satisfaction but falling under the View of some that were able to judge and liked well of it better than it deserved it was thought not unfit for more publick use And the Author then farre off in the North was importuned not onely to give his consent to the putting it forth but to help it forward himself by prefacing something to it for the fairer bringing it forth into Open light Know therefore Good Reader and well consider it that these are such times as the Apostle foretold 2 Tim. Perilous difficult and troublesome times 2 Tim. 3.1 Times in which it would be hard for good Christians to know how to behave themselves with safety the dangers of these daies threatning not onely the outward estate or worldly concernments but attempting Conscience and Religion it self and that on the one hand and on the other They of the old Romish Superstition pretending Antiquity and a present flourishing condition of a Church They of the new perswasion boasting successe and holding forth New lights to carry aside As in the day of Jerusalem both the Children of Edom and of Babylon cried Down with it down with it Psal 137. They saw the trouble of Jerusalem and were glad that the Lord had done it Lam. 1.21 So it is with the true Protestant Church in this Land now troubled and distressed The Enemies on either side rejoicing that the Lord hath done it to us A pitifull thing it is and one argument more for Lamentation than Jeremiah had for his that the enemies of a Christian Church should be such on both sides as professe themselves Christians acknowledge One Saviour look for one Hope and though agreeing all in the main yet because of different perswasions in Religion can be content yea and rejoice to see a Christian Church to fall and to be if they might have their will thrown quite off from the Foundation on which they professe themselves to be built rather than see it stand there otherwise than just as they doe and according to their frame How much were it to be wished and to be prayed for that the Lord would roll away this reproach of Aegypt Jos 5.9 from off the name of Christians this uncircumcision this hardnesse of heart that he would take away this perverse Spirit he has mingled among us as Isa 19.14 from whence arise such Debates and contentions not onely about the things of Earth but of Heaven too the Affairs and businesse of the State and of the Church too As for those of the Romish perswasion when I look at those points of Religion controverted between us which concern not the special and politick concernments of that Church such as Universal Jurisdiction and that which follows on it Universal Subjection and that which must maintain the former Infallibility and the like I cannot but think there might be a possibility of some peaceable and fair Christian agreement Yea and were there Reason and Equity in men instead of that pretended Infallibility to agree and stay upon the due Authority of free General Councels and instead of the now exorbitant power of the Bishop of Rome to be content he should have onely the Antient Patriarchal Primacy allowed him in the first Generall Councels I should not despair of agreement as to these points But when I consider how neerly the Guides of that Church take themselves to be concerned in these Politick Interesses and what a numerous society there is of Jesuites devoted to maintain them I must needs say that hope seems vain and conclude them engaged to hold where they are and to condemn all other Christians and Churches to the Gates of Hell that will not acknowledge the Church of Rome to be the onely Church against which the Gates of Hell have not nor can prevail by any errour in Faith or Worship He that will look into the businesse of Religion before and at the beginning of the Councel of Trent will easily see by the several Colloquies held between Protestants and Romanists what agreement some points were brought to and what further condescension might have been had not the Interesses of the Court of Rome disturbed all Or if he look into those Relations and Histories we have of the Councel of Trent it self he will see by the several discourses had upon the points controverted what moderation there was in many learned men but rendred ineffectual by reason that the Arcana Imperii those forementioned politick concernments of that Church as they might not be once disputed so they wholly over-ruled the other points of Religion and excluded all Moderation in the Definitions of that Councel All the Christian World sees how long the poor distressed Eastern Church has lain under that heavy condition unpitied by Them of the Romish Communion and how They have stood affected to us since our Reformation has sufficiently appeared by their several practices against us What hand they had in our present troubles is not unknown to some what joy they now take in them let their own heart tell them but what advantage they make of them for perverting of many that is it we are to take notice of and to withstand I have opposed this Defence such as it is against their generall plausible pretences framed indeed both for Matter and Form most-what according to the scruples of Those that occasioned it but may generally serve to give some stay in these tottering Times to those that have not a more able hand to hold and keep them steady As for the Particular Doctrines of the Romish Church some of the chief of them as Traditions Infallibility Transubstantiation Invocation of Saints Purgatory are spoken to as concerning the Trial of Antiquity towards the End of this Treatise Where it is by divers instances shewn that they could not be doctrines of the Antient Church I may happily finde time with Gods help to make a fuller enquiry upon these and other their novel Articles that it may appear what is justly and necessarily controverted between us either in matter of Faith or Worship What may be waved as needlesly quarrelled at or agreed as needlesly contended about And of the controverted Points which Doctrine Theirs or Ours will upon the triall of direct Scripture prove more Apostolical which upon principles confessed by us both will appear more safe and reasonable and also more agreeable to true Christian humility and piety But of this hereafter as it shall please God to give opportunity and ability It remains I should speak to that seeming advantage they
preservation of Truth and purity in doctrine in such a degree was necessary for the continuance and propagation of the Church Else what could Eliah have said if he had been challenged to shew Professors at that time within the Kingdome of Israel or after if they that held the true worship in King Ahaz his time had been challenged to shew them in the Church of Israel or Judah for as to his point of preservation of necessary Truth and due worship there is no difference betwixt Jewish and Christian Church the continuance of Gods Church being as necessary before Christ as after But we may see how the Romanists are fain to plead for their Faith and Religion by the uncertain Records of History rather than by the known and confessed Writings of the Prophets and Apostles yea to hang all upon a negative Argument from the Records of History rather than to rest upon that which is positively affirmed in Scripture For thus runs their Argument We doe not see this or that doctrine professed in all Ages therefore it cannot be Apostolical whereas it is farre more safe to argue This Doctrine or Religion we see is Apostolical plainly delivered in Scripture therefore it was professed in all Ages professed I say though not alwaies so numerously and openly as they expect nor so fully as is by Protestants in all points asserted yet at least so professed as was necessary to the preservation of saving Tr 〈…〉 and continuance of the Church Their negative Argument is farre more forcible against themselves their Doctrines being Affirmatives and they bound to shew them professed in all Ages Whereas our difference from them being in the Negative of what they erroneously affirm must needs suppose the Errors in being before there could be any Protestors against them and render it a vain challenge to shew Protestants as Protestants in all Ages when as many Ages passed before the Errors got head against which they protested And for those Ages in which the Errors prevailed what if Histories have not recorded what if Historians that wrote then did not so much as know those who were free from such Errors which is very possible when Eliah knew not of any in his time and yet there were 7000 what then becomes of their Faith that make this their chief plea against Protestants But if by Professors in all Ages they mean such as dissented complained of the prevailing Errors though it be impossible there should be such in all Ages simply because those errors were not at all for many Ages yet such are found as we said in all Ages after the Error appeared and how many more suppose we to have been which are not recorded or to have written against arising Errors in that Church whose Writings are not come down to us The Church of England when it pleased God more openly to discover the Errors and to touch the spirits and consciences of Men did accordingly cast them off only the Church of Rome would neither acknowledge them to be such nor amend any thing but having for many Ages challenged Universall Jurisdiction over all other Churches and prided her self as the only Catholick Church and Infallible Guide she did withall render her self altogether incorrigible without hope of reformation and amendment CHAP. III. How they and we are said to differ in Essentials SOme Exceptions they make against this that hath been said 1. From the expression used by some Protestants that we and the Church of Rome differ in Essentials thence I have heard some of them make this fallacious argument If differ in Essentials then have the Protestants made a new Church essentially differing from that which was Answ The fallacy is in the word Essentials which is taken either properly for Doctrines of Faith belonging to the constitution of the Essence or beeing of a Church or improperly for such as endanger it working to the dissolution of it tending to the corruption destruction of the Essence and beeing of a Church In this latter sense the Doctrines of Error and Superstition wherein they differ from us are termed Essentials being no light matters as those of Rites and Ceremony but such as concern the Essence or being of a Church not constitutivè indeed and in the affirmative i. e. not such as are to be held and asserted by every Church but destructivè rather and in the negative that is such as are to be denied and avoided by every Church as it tenders its own beeing and preservation Even as a man that is in company with infected persons is concerned as he tenders his life to avoid the contagion or to free himself from it if tainted So still the difference of this Church from what it was under the Papacy is as of the same body once infected now sound once diseased now recovered The Church of the Galatians was farre gone in the way of the Mosaical Law to the endangering of the Gospel insomuch that Saint Paul saith in a manner they were removed to another Gospel Gal. 1.6 and that he was afraid of them cap. 4.11 The Churches of Pergamus and Thyatiâ—a were so far corrupted that Satan is said to have his seat there Rev. 2.13 and those that taught the doctrine of Balaam and those that held the doctrine of the Nicolaitans v. 14 15. And Jezabel was suffered to teach in Thyatira and to seduce the servants of God ver 20. Now when these Churches were reformed the seducing Teachers and false doctrines cast out were they New Churches set up or could those that still adhered to the Law or new Gospel in Galatia or to the false doctrines in Pergamus and Thyatira challenge the reformed party of Novelty so was it with this Church before and after the Reformation having parted with nothing that belonged to the beeing of a Church or to the Faith once delivered but onely cast out those false doctrines that had so generally prevailed in it while it was in communion with the Roman Church 2. They object We cast not off Errors or Superstitions but the true Catholick Faith Answ Indeed it concerns them to make the World believe if they can that their New Faith was alwaies Catholick and that we for denying it are Hereticks But the clearing of this belongs to the examination of the particular doctrines CHAP. IV. Particular Churches may reform Especially when a General Councel cannot be expected 3. THey ask what Authority we had to reform the Church and tell us we should have expected the determination of a General Councel and not been Judges in our own Cause Ans We took not upon us to reform the Church but had a necessity and duty upon us to reform our selves Neither did we undertake to impose upon other Churches but purge our own And as we were a party in the cause so was the Pope and his faction and as we would not have been Judges in this cause could we had a competent Judge so was not he with his faction fit
Romanists shew us if they can among all the particulars the Fathers speak of as so left us any point of Faith necessary to salvation Indeed some of the more antient Fathers mention one which with some consent they held a point of Faith and received by Tradition viz. the Millenary belief but that was not a meer unwritten Tradition but rather a Traditive sense of Scripture Rev. 20. and that a mistaken one and by the Romanists rejected who know the Fathers were deceived in that Tradition by Papias and we know the Romanists are deceived or may very well in theirs But let them shew as I said in all the Testimonies of the Fathers one of their necessary points of Faith among those particulars which the Fathers have mentioned with any consent as delivered by unwritten Tradition which seeing they cannot doe all their boasting of Antiquity in this point is vaine they meet onely with the Name of unwritten Tradition not the Thing CHAP. XXVI Of the Perspicuity and Interpretation of Scripture THus much of the Sufficiency of Scripture Now of the Perspicuity and Interpretation of it Scripture being the Rule of Faith must in all reason be both sufficiently perfect as wee have heard and also sufficiently clear and perspicuous as we shall see Their pretence of obscurity and difficulty in Scripture such as they fasten on it serves them to two purposes To keep people from Reading it and to set up an Infallible Interpreter of the sense of it or visible Judge of all controversies arising Bellar. handles this businesse in lib. 3. de verbo dei and proposes two questions neither of them stated aright His first Sintne Scripturae sacrae per se facillimae apertissimae an verò interpretatione indigeant cap. 1. His second An ab uno visibili communi judice Scripturae interpretatio petenda sit an uniuscujusque Arbitrio relinquenda Whereas we neither say the Scripture needs no Interpretation nor do we leave it to every mans pleasure or judgement But we acknowledge there are many hard places and obscure passages which need Interpretation yet is there not such a general obscurity in Scripture but that private persons may read it with profit which both Scripture it self and all the Fathers exhort the people to because what is necessary to life and faith is for the most part plainly set down therefore it is called A light to our feet and paths Psal 119. and to make wise the simple Psal 19.7 and Saint Peter bids Christians attend to the word of Prophecie as a light shining in a dark place 2 Epist. 1.19 Bell. answers to such places that the Scripture is a light when it is understood And this is as much as if he had said a light is a light if it be seen For a light if it be not put in a dark Lanthorn or under a Bushel as the Church of Rome serves the Scripture to hide it from the people will shew it self so will the Scripture being a light and a light shining as S. Peter said Certainly it was the intent and duty of all the Apostles so to speak and so to write as to be understood And St. Peter notes but some places in Saint Pauls Epistles hard to be understood which the unlearned and unstable wrest 2 Epist c. 3. Sure then those that are not so but come with minds and endeavours answerable may read with profit seeing his Epistles are for the most part not hard to be understood That which they reply here comes to this that those Churches to which the Apostle wrote were instructed aforehand by word of mouth and so might more easily understand what was written after We grant they were praeinstructed and that it made them more fit to understand what was written but as they had it so Christian people want it not now and albeit their praeinstruction might prepare them to a more easie understanding of passages relating to some particulars concerning things not necessary to salvation as was that of Antichrist 2 Thes 2. Of which we may be ignorant and of which the Church of Rome is ignorant notwithstanding all her Traditions yet fâ—r things necessary delivered in the Apostles writings of which the question proceeds our people have as fitting and sufficient means to understand as they had For seeing their praeinstruction was the first preaching of the Gospel to them the laying of the foundation the delivering chiefly of things necessary for them to know unto salvation I hope we are not destitute of such fore-instruction to fit us for profitable reading of the scriptures we are taught the principles of Christian Religion the Catholike Faith into which we and all Christians are baptized besides we have the help of the Gospels and all other writings of Gods Word and therefore why may not our Christian people so premstructed understand Saint Pauls Epistles in all necessary points as well and profitably as the people to whom they were written Againe take the Scripture as a Rule of direction it argues that it must be cleare and plaine in what it is to direct us in All men give such Rules as neere as they can evident and cleare and shall we deny it to the best of Rules the Rule of Gods making and giving the Rule of greatest concernment to us Bell. could say when he meant to give Scripture its due lib. 1. cap. 2. that it was Regula credendi tutissima certissima And againe because it was a Rule therefore it must be nota certa which indeed is very good reason both for the knowing of it to be our Rule and for the evidence of it in those things it is to direct us in In regard of which things it was necessary a Christian should have sufficient evidence as in the harder places of Scripture he has his exercise to set an edge upon his endeavours and keep him humble And these very reasons we finde given by the Fathers for the obscurity we meet with in Scripture that it is not such as to deter any from reading for the Fathers frequently exhort all unto it but to stirre up the more diligence in searching the Scriptures and to keep down Pride and selfe-conceit that people should not trust too much to their own understanding but have cause to repair upon all occasions to their Guides and Pastors whose mouthes preserve knowledge now as the Priests did under the Law As therefore we said Scripture was a sufficiently perfect rule of all things necessary to salvation containing them expresly or deducibly so we say it is a sufficiently cleare Rule not onely in regard of what it delivers expresly but in regard of all necessary truths deducible because they may sufficiently by evident and cleare consequence be deduced thence This clearnesse then which we attribute to Scripture does not exclude Interpretation or the skill and industry of the Guides of the Church for the deducing of many necessary divine Truths All things necessary we say are there contained