Linguistic DNA - Concept Modelling Demonstrator

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
religion_n	christian_a	church_n	profess_v	3,448	5	8.0722	4	false

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A01041	A defence of the lavvful calling of the ministers of reformed churches, against the cavillations of Romanists Whereto is subioined, an epistle to a recusant, for clearing and maintaining some points of the former treatise of defence, challenged by a Roman Elymas Bar-Iesus-it. With a short discovery of the adversarie his dottage in his impertinent and rediculously deceitfull demands. By Patrik Forbes, of Coirse.	Forbes, Patrick, 1564-1635.	1614 (1614)	STC 11146; ESTC S114324	93,515	180

have perhaps coniectured as I know somwhat the manner and meaninges of these men what surder hee would particularly have said by his other draughts which he hath drawn frequently and only on the 7. 8. sections but having cleared the maine point I will not dally impertinently with him or struggle with mine own shadow as even of this I have here done he may perhaps say and you even therfore esteeme it true but I am sure I have either mett with his minde or then hee shall not bee able to render any other such reason of his challenge which shall not bee found as little or lesse to his credit And when ever his dumb draughts are made speaking lines vppon the little I have lookt in them I dare give my worde that they shall bewray weaknes of sense defect of sinceritie or fraudulent shifting of the questioÌ„ Now as my treatise was written but for information of modest minds and neither for any who will not be cured neither yet to moove or to maintain iangling with any an exercise both fruitles evill beseeming Christians so now for ought your man could either have said or signed I would not have interchanged one lyne with him I know what is the efficacie of errour and bewitching force of the cuppe of forniation in refractary seducers I know that not onely the blind leaders of the blind but even such as are joyned to their Idoles are to be let alone And that such as would appeare to aske counsell of a Prophet having set vp their Idols in their hearts having put the stumbling bloke of their iniquity before their eies the Lord wil eveÌ„ in iustice answer theÌ„ according to the multitude of their Idols But these pages ar to you in remeÌ„braÌ„ce of my offer once made you if I should find any assurance of a syncere disposition in al singlenes laying a syde preiudice that you wouâ—d vprightly heare and learne and with an vnpartial heart try ponder both parts giving vs the one eare and alike attension with such other signes of indifferent affectioÌ„ as might assure vs of halfe barr and aequall bench in the seat of your iudgement and so much the more as you have these yeeres past given vs evidences of a heart quite alienated from vs and as wee plead from the truth also And albeit as yet we have gotten of you small or no tokens of any such intention yet I would not leave you this to say that I had failed you promise at the first as neither if I can yet see your mynd sincerely carefully and humbly set for resolution wil I in this sort or any other kynd of paines wearie to doe you pleasure according to my power in Christ. But if either you or any other lust to be contentious wee have no such manner neither the Church of God Now God even the Father of our Lord Iesus Christ according to his good pleasure abouÌ„dantly ritch grace graunt vs that our love may more and more abound in knowledge and all spirituall sense whereby we may bee able to discerne things that differ and prooving all to hold that which is good that wee may bee syncere and without offence till the day of Christ. Yours in Christ P. FORBES of Coirse A SHORT DISCOVERIE OF THE ADVERSARIE HIS DOTTAGE IN HIS IMPERTINENT AND ridiculously deceitfull demaunds THat thou mayest perceave Christian Reader how foolish fruitles a labour it is to dispute with these men When their pamphlet against our callings which stirred me to defence was put abroad it was backed by the applauders thereof with insolent braggs that no answere either would or could possibly be given it that though twenty answers were made thereto yet they should all be refelled with al 's many sound replyes Herevpon at the intreaty of some well affected brethren least the hearts of our weake ones should be dismayed I was mooved to writ my treatise of defence whereof a copy falling in the adversarie his handes and that without my knowledge and against my purpose who hating contention framed my paines onely for resolution of modest minds I heard divers and daylie surmises from them that my treatise would be in short tyme solidly refuted And I accordingly more exspecting what a traveling mountaine would bring foorth then mynding any reply therto at last my copy returned to me carying such notes of a censuring penne as occasioned my epistle to a recusant Wherevpon their boast of refutation still waxing and I thereby exspecting some what more then in end to find but a ridiculous mouse were brought to me at length after many weekes from the partie and delivered with no small circumstance forsooth and earnest protestation of an answer in writ these ensuing lines It is to be demanded of the ministerie for the true resolution of a Christian soule which if they resolve not wee will account them c. SEeing the Ministers of Scotland graunts the church of Rome to have been once the true Church of Christ wee desire them to thew in what yeare of God shee made first defection from the true religion and by whom shee was condemned for heresie Likewayes wee desire to know the names of these who since the Church of Rome fell from the trueth hes continually from time to time and age to age professed this religion in all substantiall pointes of doctrine as they presently professe whose doctrine and writings in all pointes of religion they will advow and byde by NOw consider good Reader what either pitifull ignorance or rather poysonable perversnes of an inpudently evill conscience these demaundes bewray most evidentlie Our disputation was about the lawfulnes or vnlawfulnes of our Pastorall callings This they by their treatise laboured to evince I by my defence pleaded the other In this our litis-contestation partly by dumbe partlie by speaking signes and draughtes set by them on the margent or drawen betwixt the lines of my booke they sought at first that it might seeme they had somewhat to say against me Therevpon in my epistle to a Recusant I sustained my point Now in steed of replying ought either for confirming their owne or impugning my part of our debated matter the question is whither impudently or ignorantly altered and from the institut point of our vocation like slipperie Iles they slyde backe to new demaundes of our doctrine Is this I pray you to dispute or to dallie Are these the fresh fyrie edged schoolmen arrived lately and with so great exspectation of working wonders from Paris Lovan Rhems Rome shaping shooting and slopping men through with syllogismes who neither can propoune ought or sustaine to heare any answere but in forma figura that nowe they forget not only all forme and figure but therewith all both mense and sense also in so shamelesly shifting the question casting in kowardly a kard of another kynd why remembred they not their owne offer so often and confidently made vs by worde write

inviolable truth of God be subiect vnto men or men vnto it And though all men were liars shall therefore the truth of God faile Shal tyme so strengthen errour as what from the beginning was invalid any length of dayes shall make it good The Lord himselfe being accused as we are now of transgressing the tradition of the Fathers answered that in vaine they worship God who teach for doctrines the traditions of men and against most inveterat strongly authorized and obtaining errours hee opposed this one reason that it was not so from the beginning The most approoved amongst the Fathers have taught vs that for warrant of faith we have neither to rely vpon what they themselves or what the Fathers who were before them have said but vpon that which Christ and his Apostles who were before all have delivered Antiquity I confesse were a great argument for truth if Sathan had not beene a lier from the beginning And yet the adversarie is so ridiculous as to demaund vs what men they are whose doctrine and writtings in all points of religion wee will advow and byde ate But miserable men is there an option left vs or any who will not perish in blindnes to make a choise to whose doctrine and writings in all points of religion wee will betake vs Hath the Lord left vs so incertain what to flee or follow We are not to advow or byde at any either doctrine or writings as vndoubted truth but what in the sacred scriptures is set downe All other whither doctrine or writings of whatsoever men and in whatsoever age wee advow and byde at but so far as they are consonant to that So as if an Angell from heaven preach any other Gospell let him be anathema Eis solis Scriptur arum libris qui iani Canonici appellantur sayeth Augustin didici hunc timorem honoremqÌ„ue deferre vt nullum serum authorem scribendo aliquid errasse firmiter credam And a little after Alias autem ita lego vt quanta libet sanctitata doctrinaque prâ—pâ—lleant non ideo verum putem quia ipsi ita censerunt sed quia mihi vel per illâ—s authores canonicos vel probabili rations quod Ã verÃ³ non abhorreat persuadere potuerant That is onely to these bookes of Scripture which are called Canonik have I learned to yeeld this feare and honour that I firmelie believe no Author of them to have erred ought in writings As for others I so read them as how excellently soever holy or learned they be yet I thinke not ought to bee therefore true because they have thought so but because either by these Canonicall authors or by probable reason they were able to perswade me that which doth not abhorre from truth And have we not more then a thousand times evinced evideÌ„tly that we professe maintaine no other doctrine then that which Christ his Apostles first taught by word therafter left vs in register for a stable and vndoudted rule to al succeeding ages which in despyt of Satan albeit busily advancing the mysterie of iniquitie yet was commonly holden in the Church more then three hundreth yeeres thereafter And which howsoever by prevayling darknes of the bottomles pitt it was so farre at length eclipsed as Sathan obtayned a throne even in the Temple of God yet was all the tyme of that prevayling errour the true both light and life of these who dwelling even where Sathan his throne was and albeit in weaknes tolerating spirituall fornication yet keeped the name of God lived reigned with him a 1000. yeres not receaving the beast his character albeit lurking vnder the shadow of his name or number which from vnder that overwhelming deluge of darknes hath brokeÌ„ foorth again now three hundreth yeres agoe and that by degrees praysed bee God so clearly and powerfully to the convincing and dispelling therof as it maketh the recurelesse characterized followers of the beast to gnaw their toungs for sorow blaspheme bitterly Our adversaries in this their demauÌ„d are no lesse ridiculous theÌ„ were either a senseles foole or a perverse iangler who the sunne arysing bright in the morning yet because soone after it is by degrees so lapped vp in clouddes and mist as it is not seene of men in the earth till that some houres before even breaking out again clearly dispelling all that overshadowing darknes it lighten of new the earth would therefore with pertinacie plead that the sunne thus wrestling out from vnder that overvailing cloud were not the true sunne which in the morning had shyned but some counterfait and never before seene Comet because foresooth their eies had not all the minuts of the day sensibly seene the shyning body and particular progres of it But poor Idiots the sunne hath such a soveraine and singular both light and heat as though all the dolts in the worlde would disclaime it yet wil evince it to be alwayes one and the same and albeit long covered and vnperceaved in common yet that all the while it still so shyned as howsoever in all Aegipt was palpable darknes yet in Gosben was cleare and confortable light In my treatise of defence and 19. section thereof answering this same obiection I alledged that as divers of our men had done so I might bring faire Catalogues of men who in former ages had holden the truth heavely lamented the prevayling corruptions of their tymes But I gave there divers and good reasons why neither ought that iustly bee required of vs neither we bee so foolish as to divert with our adversaries to so vnnecessary an altercation And long before in my commentarie vpon the 14. Chap. of the Revelation I shewed how to answer the adversarie ought hereto were but vainly to hale the coard of contention with men whose mouthes wee might stoppe by more sure and evident arguments And yet the adversarie in a good conscience I warrant you of a iust cause will admit now no rule whereby to examine vs but which hee knew verie well that before any demande from him I had for good reasons reiected and he is so extreemly impudent heerein as not onely without refelling any of my reasons he still vrgeth it but fearing also what herein I might verie well performe if I pleased to answer a foole to his follie and so proove a foole with him that wherto I refused to answere being proponed eveÌ„ in a large case he reponeth to me now with such strict limitations as any sensible Reader may evidently perceave he hath fore-caston his evasions how to escape taking And for this it is that forsooth we must show who froÌ„ age to age not onley held but also professed the same Religion and that in all substantiall points And whose writinges in all points wee will advow and byde at Heere hee hath prepared to him selfe exceptions against any whom hee thinketh that in those most corrupted times wee can produce against him First if

hee hath not openlie avowed and professed next if hee hath not professed all the substantiall points which wee holde Thirdly if we advow not and byde at al whatsoever they have written in all and any point of Religion Sweet indeed and sounde hearted disputers By this law laide downe to vs by these aequitable men not only shall they serve vs for no witnesses who through ignorance or infirmitie or common errour in the tyme have impinged perhaps in some points but even their silence or want of a remaining record behinde them in anie one point professed by vs shall get them casten But which before I have shewed as all evills did not arise at once neither at firste to such degree as where fore men would be soone caried to open contestation so albeit in a common vse and prevayling practise yet before any tyrannicall yoake was imposed on consciences by inforcing lawes while a libertie was left to men of holding them selves pure and keeping the name of GOD they were loath with evident hazard to contende against evill so subtillie insinuated and by pretence of Propheticall authoritie so arrogantly advaunced A weaknes I confesse in them but such as the holy Ghost hath clearely foretolde vs should befall even his true and faithfull Church dwelling where Sathan his throne was And which the more the mysterie of iniquitie wrought on was the lesse wonderfull in regarde of the tyraÌ„nicall vsurpation wherby no libertie was left without certaine peril of anie open opposition or if of open profession yet not of publishing in writte or if of this yet not of preserving any recorde thereof to the posteritie Now besides this what marvaill in such a common apostasie and ecclipse of all true light though even these good and godly men who both mourned for it and in the middes of it keeped the name of God holding the substantiall foundation of salvation were some what tainted in many thinges with the contagion of the tyme Whither that thorough defect of knowledge they were imprudentlie miscaried in some points or rather through defect of courage they tolerated what otherwayes they would never have approoved Whose weaknes heerein albeit the holy Ghost taxeth yet hath hee indulgently covered it vnder the lappe of his garment Augustin whyle some tolerable estate of a Church still remayned yet heavilie regraiteth that even in his time the Church of God which her Lord will have to bee free was so burdened with multitude of superfluous and superstitious ceremonies as the state of the Iewes vnder their Pedagogie was more tolerable In the succeeding ages the evill had so farre waxed as in consideration of the great corruption Gregorie the first Bishop of Rome did not sticke to affirme and truely that Antichristus qui appellationem sibi vindicabit vniversalis Episcopi even pro foribus est and that quod dici nefas est Sacerdotum exercitus paratus est ad aâ—â—ectandum eum Bernard whose groanes and lamentations did meete almost with the height of Antichristian vsurpation albeit for such a measure both of learning and holynes as was rare in so corrupt a tyme hee was so reverend as gave him more freedom of taxing common corruption then would have been tolerated in an other yet by his timerous stile he sheweth clearly that as evils were mounted to a great height so was any liberty of rebuke extreemly dangerous To the Bishop of Rome he writeth thus inter haec tu pastor procedis multo precioso circuÌ„datus auro Si audereÌ„ dicere daemonum magis quaÌ„ ovium pascua haec Scilicet sic factitabat Petrus sic Paulus ludebat mur mur loquor quarinicniam omniuÌ„ Ecclesiarum And facitis hoc quiae potestis sed vtrum debeatis quaestio est And that no man thinke he taxeth the particular vices of one man these are also his wordes Ã te tamen mos iste vel patias ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ non venit â—â—inam in te defâ—â—at Consider I pray you how timerouslie even the most free speaker in his tyme steppeth to talke of that which albeit it was ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ quatimonia ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰ ecclesiarum yet is he faine to vse this preface Si anderem dicere and vtrum debeatis quaestio est And yet least even thus hee should have too much irritated he behooved to sweetten his harde speaches with this syrope Ã te tames mosiste non venit Soone after these times men begaÌ„ not only to see the Bishop of Rome a corrupted Bishop but also to suspect him a Traitour and not so much look that by him any reformatioÌ„ should come as to dispaire that he could be cured till at last the eyes of some through the little booke sweetly swallowed and reid applied were opened to see him and confidently to cal him the beast of the Dragon his throne and authority The adversarie forecasting with him selfe what in this case we might be able to alledge against him hath tymouslie in his demaunds builded to him selfe backdores whereby if we would shew murmur querimoniaÌ„ omnium ecclesiarum he shal start out at the postern of opeÌ„ profession and that of all substantial points If we bring Gregory or Bernard or other such then some particular defectes of these godly meÌ„ which both the Lord hath mercifully passed by and we also would charitably cover are narrowlie sitted out cast in our teeth to deprive vs of al their good so as except by his forlaid rule wee advow and byd at all whatsoever they have written they must stande vs for no witnesses But herein a needles fear hath made my adversarie vnnecessarily to bewray himself how small either coÌ„fidence or good conscience he hath in the matter which he maintaineth For I was never purposed to dally with him in this kind or to be drawen deceitfully by him from sure solid grouÌ„ds to divert foolishly to so wyde and vain a field of endles altercatioÌ„ We know assuredly that God alwayes had a number who keeped his name and leived his life not only in the Primitive most pure times while the woman was yet cloathed with the Sun Revel 12. and even thereafter also when corruption came on in such degrees as the third of al green thing in earth the third of the sea things therein the third of fountaines and rivers the third of Sun Moone starres day night was smitten Neither only now againe in the reviving light of the Gospell since the first of three Angels break out through the midds of heaven with the euerlasting gospel Revel 14. whereby the Sun by degrees wresting out froÌ„ vnder that darknes hath now at last lightened al the earth with the glorie thereof but that eveÌ„ in those mid and most miserable times wherein SuÌ„ne and aire were totally eclipsed by the smoake of the bottomles pitt and all the earth followed the beast yet still also God had a number sealed and that howsoever in coÌ„mon they were so farr either in simplicitie

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