skill and experience foreseeth the comming of the said effects to which kinde the foresaide Doctrines of Re ll Presence and Sacrifice cannot in any soâ—te be reduced by reason they cannot be saide to hâ—ue bene then depending vpon any naturall or other cause then past or in being saue only the imediate sacred will of God This therefore so plâ—ine foresaide pâ—ediction mâ—de by the auncient Rabbines before Christs tâ—me in behalfe of Reall Presence and Sacrifice demonstrating it selfe so euidently to haue proceeded not from any secondarie cause but only from a diuine instinct yeeldeth thereby a most strong argument in behalfe of the saide Doctrines 13 Thirtenthly and lastly to omitte other pointes as concerning the finall ending of controuersies not only scripture but a certaine visible and liuely Iudge vpon earth was appointed and acknowledged To omitt all other proofe thereof the Lawe of Deutronomie was that when there did (â‹) Deutron 17 8 9 11. arise any matter to hard for the people in Iudgment they were appointed to goe vp to the place which God had châ—sen and to come to the leuiticall Priâ—st and to the Iudge in those daies and to aske of them the sentence of Iuâ—gement and to do according to â—he Iudgment which they did tell not declining neithâ—r to the râ—gâ—t hand nor to the lefte it being yet further saide of him that did (*) Deutron 17 12. presumptiously refuse to obay the commaundement of the Priest thaâ— by the decree of â—he Iudge that man should diâ— Now that the sentence grounded vpon this Lawe was not subiâ—ct to new question vnder colour of appeal ng to the scriptures but was definitiue and finall and concerned aswell Ecclesiasticall as Ciuill Causes is in it seâ—fe plaine and for such (p) Doct. Rainolds in his confereÌ„ce pa. 251. circa med saith The lawe of Deutronomie was made to establish a highest Court of Iudgement in which all harder causes Ecclesiasticall Ciuill should be determined without appeall further and Mr. Whitaker de sacra scriptura p. 466. prope finem saith Respondeo verba ista intelligenda esse c. de authoritate tantum definiendi difficiles lites ac coÌ„trouersias siue ecclesiasticas illas quidem per ministrum siue politicas et foreses per magistratum vt esset semper in vtrisque aliquis a quo prouocare non liceat alioqum enim nullus esset litigandi finis vide ibidem pag. 470. paulo post med And Mr. Bilâ—on in his perpetuall gouerment of Christes Church pag. 20. post med saith hereof that the same did conscerne such matters as were of greatest momeÌ„t both Ciuill and sacred and their sentence by Gods law no man might refuse without punishment of death And see the like assertion in Mr. Hooker in his preface before his bookes of eâ—clesiâ—sticall policie pa. 26. fine 27. 28. fine confessed by Mr. D. Rainolds Mr. D. Whitaker Mr. D. Bilson and Mr. Hooker Where-vpon it is euident that not only scripture which they of the olde Testament had as well as we now haue but besides that a certaine visible Iudge was then appointed to determin coÌ„trouersies And for so much as the occasion to haue controuersies ended is as greate now as during the olde Testament the doubts of religion being as now many moe and the daunger of error no lesse greuous whether therefâ—re may it be thought that our (q) Haeor 8 6. Testament which is established in better promisses is wantâ—ng of this priuiledge and so therby the Ecclesiasticall policie of Moyses time to be preferred herein before that other which succeeded by Christ With which only laste reason the Puritanes doubt not to (r) Penrie in his supplication to the high Courte of Parliament p. 21. fine saith That forme of gouerment which maketh our Sauiour Christ Inferior vnto Moyses is an impious vngodly vnlawfull gouerment contrarie to the word c. See him further p. 22. 23. peruse the occasion and circumstance of this his reason and it will appeare to houlde much more stronge in this point then in that other for which he vrgeth it presse their other Protestant Brethren in matters of much smaller importance By which so many foresaide examples of our Cathoâ—icke Faith thus affirmed by the auncient Iewes that liued before Christs comming it is made further probable that our religion is not new or lately deuised but most auncient and vndoubtedly apostolicke which point is made as yet much more cleare by that which is hereafter (s) See hereafter tract 〈◊〉 sect 7. 8. alleadged concerning the Romane Church being conuerted in the Apostles time and her not being sithence changed in religion THAT TREW MIRACLES MAKE a strong argument And that the aforesaide faith whereto the Englishe were conuerted was confirmed with such Miracles § 5. AND like as in those firster times of the Churches infancie our Sauiour did make manifest the truth of his Apostles Doctrine with vndoubted Miracles to serue as (a) 〈◊〉 cor 12 12. signes of theire Apostleshipe to that end (b) Marc. 16 20. Confirming the word wiâ—h sâ—gnes followinge So likewise this vertue or power of Miracles not ceasing but as our aduersaries confesse (c) Whereas our Sauiour Ihon. 14 12. saith Hee that beleeueth in mee the workes that I do he shall do and greater In the Marginall Notes of the Englishe Bibles Printed 1576. it is there-upon saide this is referred to the wholle Body of the Church in whome this vertue doth shine for euer shininge in the Church for euer the necessitie thereof being one and the same in all succeeding ages to the conuersion of the heathen who contemning the scriptures are nothing moued with the Miracles thereof mencioned our Sauiour did in like maner confirme our now faith so then taught by Austâ—ne with like manifestation of Miracles not such only as Antichrist or the Diuell can by the power of nature or secondarie causes bring to passe which may be (d) Thes 2 9. lying signes against which wee are forewarned but with Miracles exceeding the power of nature and done imediately by God which by the Doctrine of learned Protestants (e) Vrsinus in CoÌ„mentar catech pag. 21. fine saith Etsi Ethnicorum nonnulla miracula commemorantur ac de Antichristo pseudoprophetis dictum est edituros esse signa c. tamen caneque numero neque magnitudine paria sunt miraculis Ecclesiae c. primum enim ea miracula quae iactantur ab hostibus ecclesiae sunt eiusmodi quae ordine naturae non mutato hominum vel diaboloruÌ„ fraudibus possunt effici c. miracula vero quibus Deus ecclesiaÌ„ ornauit opera sunt preter aut contra naturae causarum secundarum ordinem ac proinde non nisi diuina potentia facta And the like is affirmed by Zanchius in D. Pauli epistolas ad Philipenses Colloss Thessai pag. 241. 242. By Danaeus in Isagoges Christianae part 4.
religion to the professed Doctrine of those times So improbably do our aduersaries pretend S. Bernard to haue bene a member of their Church for his only then zealouse reprouing the corruption of life and manners in the Clergie of that age members of our now professed Catholicke faith THAT HIS MAIESTIES AVNcestours liued and died in that faith and that it is acknowledged by Protestants for sufficient to Saluation § 6. IN this faith thus dedicated and continued haue your MAIESTIES most Noble Auncestours KINGES and QVEENS of this Realme for so many ages togither liued and died with peace towardes God and honour to the worlde In this faith died your HIGHNES dearest MOTHER of Blessed Memory admired at her death for her moste Christian resolution the which at the time of her Funerall was accordingly and for such Celebrated euen by the then Preacher Protestant whom the Puritanes publickely and reprochfully traduced for that to vse their owne wordes therefor had of him (z) Martin Marprelate in his Epistle Printed ouer Sea c. pag. 50. Preaching at Peterburrow Agust 2. Anno. 1587. at the funerall of one who died a professed Papist viz. the Scottish Queene he praied that his soule and the soules of all there present might be with the soule of the dead Papist For this faith thus taught vs haue our learned aduersaries honoured (a) Mr. Cowper late Bishope of Lincolne in his foresaid Chronicle fol. 156. a. Mr. Bilson now Bishope of winchester in his true difeference betweene Cristiane subiection vnchristian rebellion Part 1. pag. 57. Mr. Foxe in his Acts and Monuments Printed 1576. pag. 117. a. Mr. D. Fulke in his booke against Heskins Sanders c. p. 561. fine 562. initio Gregorie and Austine with due and answerable commendation calling therefore th' one of them (b) Mr. Godwine in his Catallog of Bishopes pag. 7. ante med S. Austine (c) Mr. Godwine vbi supra pag. 7. initio our Apostle and th' other (d) Mr. Godwine vbi supra pa. 3 ante med that Blessed and holy Father S. Gregorie c. To this faith like-wise haue all the learned Protestants of sober Iudgement afforded the promisses of hopefull saluatioÌ„ as appeareth most plainely 1. By their owne most euident testimonies 2. By their like confessed examples thereof giuen 3. And by their vndoubted answerable practize To giue proofe of euery of these partes And 1. First concerning theire testimonies in this kinde Mr. D. Baro saith (e) Mr. D. Baro in his foure sermons and two questions disputed ad cleruÌ„ c. serm 3. pag. 448. fine I dare not deny the name of Christians to the Romanistes sithe the learneder writers do acknowledge the Church of Rome to be the Church of God And Mr. Hooker also saith (f) Mr. Hooker in his third booke of Ecclesiasticall Policie pag. 188. initio And Iohannes Regius in his liber Apologeticus c. p. 95. fine saith In Papatu autem cum fuerit ecclesia vera c. The Church of Rome is to be reputed a part of the House of God a limme of the visible Church of Christ and (g) Mr. Hooker vbi supra pag. 130 ante med we gladly acknowledge them to be of the familie of Iesus Christ Mr. Bunnie likewise saith of Catholickes and protestants (h) Mr. Bunnie in his tretise tending to PacificatioÌ„ sect 18. p. 109 circa med Neither of vs may iustly accompt the other to be none of the Church of God (i) Mr. Bunny vbi supra pag. 113. post med we are no seuerall Church from them nor they from vs In like sorte doth Mr. D. Some in defence thereof against Penrie the puritane say (k) Mr. D. Some in his defence against Mr. Penrie refutation of many absurdities c. in Mr. Penries treatise pag. 164. ante med that the Papistes are not altogither aliens from Gods couenant I haue shewed before for (l) Mr. Doct. Some vbi supra pag. 182. initio in the Iudgement of all learned men and all reformed Churches there is in Poperie a Church a Ministerie a true Christ c. (m) Mr. D. Some vbi supra pag. 176. prope finem If you thinke that all the Popishe sorte which died in the Popish Church are damned you thinke absurdly and dissent from the Iudgment of the learned Protestants Lastly to omitte many others (*) Peter martir as appeareth by his Epistles annexed to his common places in English pag. 153. a. fine Desired at the conference had at Poysie betweene the Catholickes and Protestants that they should not for diuersitie of opinion breake brotherlie Charitie nor call one another Heritickes and see the same opinion yet further affirmed by the ProtestaÌ„t writter against Nicholas Machiuell printed at London 1062. page 80 post medium 83 paulo post medium 85. prope fineÌ„ for we are vnwilling to become tediouse to your MAIESTIE Mr. D. Couell in his late treatise Published by Authoritie and didecated to the Lord Archbishop of Canterbury defendeth this opinion at large and concludeth (n) Mr. D. Couel in his defence of mr Hookers fiue bookes of Ecclesiasticall pollicie Pâ—blished by authoritie page 77. ante med saying wee affirme them of the Church of Rome to be partes of the Church of Christ and that those that liue and die in that Church may notwith-standing be saued In so much as he doubteth not to charge the Puritanes with (o) mr D. Couel vbi supra page 68. paulo post med Ignâ—rance for their contrary opinion 4 Hitheâ—to concerning their Testimonies before vndertaken 2 Secondly As concerning now their like confessed examples we will out of very many alleadge only some fewe It will not we thinke be denied but that our late SOVERAIGNE KING Henry the Eight did after his breach with Rome beleeue and maintaine the wholl frame and substance of our now professed Catholicke faith the Article of the Popes Premacie only excepted To which end their owne author Sleidane saith of him (2) Sleydan in English .l. 13. fol. 174. a. initio He exiled the name of the Bishope of Rome but kept still his Doctrine and Mr. Foxe saith aâ—cordingly (3) Foxe act monu pag 1472. b. sine He set forth and by full consent of Parliament established the booke of sixe Articles conteining the summe of Popish Religion And it is euident that he himselfe in person not only as then disputed (4) Act. monu pag. 530 a. b. initio but also commaunded (5) act monu page 533. a circa med sentence to be pronounced against Lamberte as also the L. Cromwell redde and (6) act monu page 533. a. pronounced that sentence and at his owne death protested him selfe (7) Act. mon. page 598 b circa med see Hollinsheads Chronicle page 591. to die in the Catholicke faith not doubting in any Article of faith or Sacrament of the Church though saith he many haue
4. also Oecolampadius in libro epistolarum Oecolampadij Suinglij l. 2. page 301. circa med saith hereof Parentum compatrum fides pueros sanctificat And Praetorius l. de Sacramentis page 108. saith Respectu fidelium parentum infantes fideles habentur c. Credunt igitur infantes sed in parentibus they are comprehended within the couenant of eternall life by meanes of the faith of theire Parents (*) In the propositions page 178 are for that cause to be Baptixed and that there-fore the Children of Iewes Turkes and such like professed Infidels are (u) In the propositions principles c. vbi supra sect 8. page 179. and mr Whitaker contra Duraeum l. 8. page 679. fine saith Infidelium liberos vt Turcarum Iudeorum Ethnicorum Caluinus meritò veré negat esse baptizandos and the like is taught by Kimnedoncius in his redemption of mankind l. 2. c. 15 page 167 fine and see mr D. Some in his defence against Penrye and refutation c. page 150. not to be Baptized as not being comprehended within the couenant by reason that their Parents do not beleeue All this yet notwith-standing they professe (x) Taught by mr Whit gifte in his defence c. page 623 ante med By mr Hooker in his ecclesiasticall policie l. 3. sect 1. page 131 by D. Some vbi supra page 149 150 and in the foresaide propositions and principles c. page 179. sect 9. It is saide by the Diuines of Geneua We are of minde that the children of Papists may be receaued vnto Baptisme to teach and practise their Baptizing of Infants Borne of Catholicke or as they terme Popishe Parents Not saith Mr. Hooker in regard of (y) mr Hooker vbi supra Gods promise which reacheth vnto a thousand generations for by this reason the Children of Turkes and as Mr. Hooker saith (z) Master Hooker ibidem all the worlde may bee Baptized in so much as no man is a thousand discents remoued from Adam But their saide Baptising of them is according to the other premises of their Doctrine by them selues practised and holden good though as Mr. D. Some affirmeth (a) mr Some in his foresaide defence c. cap. 22. page 165 167 to Penry they were the Children of Popishe west-Indians whose other former auncestors neuer knew the Christian faith and though saith hee those West-indians (b) Master Some ibidem page 167. were Baptized by Popish Shauelings yet they receaued true Baptisme and were ingraffed into Christ and for this reason because there is a Church in Popery for saith he (c) mr Some ibidem p. 149 post med saith And Amandus Polanus in partic theologic page 305 post med saith Hodierna Ecclesia Romana est adhuc Ecclesia Christi sed omnium impurissima c. alioquin ij qui in papatusunt baptizati extra ecclesiam Christi ac proinde nec baptismo Christi fuissent baptisati c. If there were no Church at all in Popery then the Infants of Papistes were not to be Baptized in any reformed Church By which premisses of their confessed practise it appeareth 1 that the Children of Catholicke or Popish Parents are to be Baptized 2 as being comprehended within the couenant of eternall life 3 and that by reason of their parents Faith So euidently in their Doctrine and practise is the faith of the Catholicke or Popish Parents houlden for auaileable to his Childe And shall it then be thought damnable to him selfe or houlden worthy to be yet further persecuted by our so implacable and vnrelenting aduersaries THAT PROTESTANTS CANNOT proue that the Romane Church did change her Religion since the first Conuersion thereto in the Apostles time § 7. AND for so much as it is your HIGHNES â‹ In the summe of the Conference before the Kings Maiestie pag. 75. circa med Constant and resolute opinion that no Church ought further to seperate it selfe from the Church of Rome then shee hath departed from her selfe wheÌ„ shee was in her florishing best estate In further probabilitie therfore of the Premisses we do presume hereby most humbly to submitte to your MAIESTIES most learned Iudgment this briefe discourse had thereof in the two sections next ensuing it is generally confessed that the Romane Church was once the true Church and professed the right faith whereto the (p) I thanke my God for you c. because your faith is renowned throughout the wholle worlde Rom. 1 8. To all that be at Rome the beloued of God called to be Saintes grace to you Rom. 1 7. That which is common to vs both your faith and mine Rom. 1 12. Your obedience is published in euery place Rom. 16 19. Apostle him selfe giueth full and assured testimonie where-vpon it euidently followeth that if the Romane Church haue not sithence changed her religion then she still retaineth and persisteth in the right faith Now as touching her supposed change we will breifely examine what our learned aduersaries who haue purposely and seriously laboured in discouery or proofe of this pretended change do most materially obiect in that behalfe 1 First then (q) Mr. Whitaker contra Duraeum l. 7 page 480 initio and mr Fulke in his answere to a counterfeite Catholike p. 36. post med the first saith Mr. Whitaker and Mr. Fulke That exercised Iurisdiction vpon forraine Churches was Victor whereto we answere as doth the Lord Archbishope of Canterburie concerning womans Baptisme saying to Mr. Carthwright (r) mr Whitgifte in his defence page 510 prope finem you say in the margent that Victor Anno. 198. did first appointe that women might Baptize by this you do add more credit to the cause then you are aware of for Victor was a Godly Bishope and Martir and the Church at that time was in greate Purity as not being longe after the Apostles whereto we further add that whereas Victor in the example now vrged did vpon occasion (s) The occasion hereof was that the Churches of Asia minor had receaued of S. Iohn the Euangelist to obserue our Lordes Pasch or Easter day not alwaies vppon Sonday but with the Iewes in regarde of theire knowne weakenes vpon the 14. of the moone as in like sorte vpon the same grouÌ„d was for the time tollerated Circumcision Act. 16 3. and abstinence from bloode and that which is strangled Act. 15 20. The Bishops of Rome who had receaued of S. Peter and Paule the other manner did accordinglye tollerate the Churches of Asia til such time as that certaine of them in Asia made this their obseruation necessarie in so much that the other manner was condemned by the Iudaizing hereticke Bâ—asius Tertulian de praescript circa finem and centur 2. c. 5 col 107. l. 12. hereupon Victor thought good to tollerate them no longer and therfore prescribed the Bishops of Asia to be excomunicated vnlesse they conformed them selues to the latine Church in the obseruation of
Berengarius and his followers denied the grace of Baptisme denying that men committing mortall sinne could euer obteine pardon therfore and that Besideâ— this he was an enâ—mie to marriage c. And Crispinus in his booke of the estate of the Church page 289. ante medium saieth Although Berengarius had the truth on his side yet had he a certaiâ—e hatred agâ—inst Laâ—francus and Râ—gerius mingled with glorie c. He mingled with all certaine speecheâ— of mâ—â—riage and the Baptisme of little children c. So â—t commeth to passe when without the Lords feare wâ— will mâ—â—ntaine the cause of the Ghâ—spell yet what do all these or any one of them or any other like that may be alledged conuince in this behalfe euery of them though thus admitted extendeth only but to some one parte or small time of the said 600 yeares and is also for the most parte but the example of some one or other priuate man being at first Catholike begining afterwards to holde some one onely singuler pointe of the Protestants faith remaining in alâ— other matters of controuersie still Catholicke which thing Mr. Fulke did well foresee and therfore being prouoked in this kind he iumpeth quite ouer these foresaid examples and all the saide siâ—e hundreth yeares and giueth his first instance in Wiâ—lâ—ff saying (z) Mr. Fulke in his answere to a counterfeite Catholicke page 34. paulo ante med Wicliffe I weene you will not deny but he was of our Church and as to Bertraâ— those other who seuerally impugned Images and the vnmaried life of Priestes he saith expresly of them (a) Mr. Fulke ibidem Although these and such like defended some parte of the truthe which we holde against you yet least you should obiect it was but in some one or two pointes I passe them ouer with silence So manifestly are these foresaid exaÌ„ples of Bertram and the rest found impertinent though we should admit them for true and so plainely withall are the said 6. hundreth yeares betweene Boniface the 3. and Waldo found destitute of all examples wherby to vp hould the Protestant CHVRCHES administration of the Word and Sacraments which pointe Master Iohn Nappeir (2) Mr. Nappeir vpon the reuelations in c. 20. page 239. ante med affirmeth that for the space of a thousand yeares from the daies of Pope Siluester the first who liued Anno Dom. 320. to the daies of Pope Boniface the .8 the seate of Rome had no match nor encounter neither euer suffered any to be seene vouchable or visible of the true Church but thence forth such hotte warres fell betwixt the empire of Rome and the mahumeticke empire that at vnwares diuers true professors openly vowably did arise as Iohn de Râ—pe scissa Anno 1240. Guilielmus de sancto Amore. Anno. 1260. c. Wicliffe Anno. 1390. Iohn Husse and Hierome of Prag Anno. 1415. So plainely doth Mr. Napeir disclaim in Bertram Vtrike and all those other foresaid examples which were before Boniface the 8. As for Ioannes de Rupe Scissa whom Mr. Napeire nameth he liued not Anno. 1260. but as Mr. Foxe act mon. printed 1596. page 359. a. line 70. testifieth Anno. 1340. of whom Mr. Foxe there saieth that he for rebuking the spiritualtie for their great enormities and neglecting their office was cast in prison otherwise he was in Religion Catholicke and wholly ignorant of the Protestants doctrine In like maner concerning Willm de S. Amore. his trouble is by Mr. Foxe vbi supra page 287. b. line 60. and by Crispinus in his discourse of the estate of the Church page 359. mencioned to be onely for writing against the Friars and their hypochrisie in so much as Pantaleon in chronographia page 102. initio saith Guilielmus de S. Amore Monachos ex elemosina in ocio viuentes non saluari scribens a Papa hereticus censetur and to the like effect testifieth Osiander centur 13. page 367. ante med as for any further prooffe of him being a Protestant there is no testimonie to such impertinent examples as our aduersaries enforced for vpholding of their Churches continuance though our aduersarie doth as yet much more fully acknowledge Add but now heâ—evnto in full conclusion or demonstration that neither Hâ—sse Wiâ—l ffâ— Waldo nor any other within the foresaid 600. yeâ—res betweene Boniface the 3. Waldo were professed members of the Protestants visible Church a briefe repetâ—tion of that which the leaâ—ned Protestants theÌ„ selues haue heretofore most plainely acknowledged to this end saith Mr. Perkins (3) Mr. Perkins in his exposition vpon the Creed page 400. We say that before the daies of Luther for many hundreth yeares an vniuersall Apostasie ouerspread the wholle face of the earth and that our Church was not theÌ„ visible to the world wherof he giueth the reason saying (4) Mr. Perkins ibidem page 307. during the space of nyne hundreth yeares the popish heresie hath spread it selfe ouer the wholle earth To omit the like acknowledgment of Mr. D. Fulke concerning the Churches remaining (5) Mr. Fulke in his answere to a counterfeit Catholicke page 16. ante medium invisible a long season after Anno. Dom. 607. Master Iohn Napeire confesseth as before that (6) Mr. Nappeire vpon the Reuelations pag. 145 colum 3. fine the Pope and his Cleargie hath possessed the outward visible Church of Christians 1260. yeares (7) Mr. Nappeire ibid. page 191. initio Gods true Church most certainly abiding so long Latent and invisible (8) Ibid. p. 161. col 3. circa med page 156. ante med 237. paulo post med 23 fine and Sebastianus Francus affirmeth (9) Sebastianus FraÌ„cus in epistola de Abrogandis in vniuersum omnibus statutis ecclesiasticis that for certaine through the worke of Antichrist the externall Church togither with the faith and sacraments vanished away presently after the Apostles departure and that for these thousand foure hundreth yeares the Church hath bene no where externall and visible A CONFVTATION OF THOSE PROTEstants who answere that their Churches administration of the Word and Sacraments did during all those times continue in being yet withall remaine as then inuisible or vnknowne with solution to the vsuall obiection of Elias complaint that he was left alone SECT 8. AND for so muâ—h as in this extreamest need Anthonie Sadell offereth his last helpe (b) Sadell de rebus grauissimis controu disputa c. pa. 783. prope initiuÌ„ affirming that although their Pastors Doctors administration of the Word SacrameÌ„ts had for so many sâ—uerall hundreth yeeres together bene to the world so invisible and vnknowne as the premisses argue that yet notwithstanding they were at all times in euery of those seuerall ages most certainely though so vnknowne yet daily extant and in being euen as those 7000. (c) 1 Of Kings 19 18 faithfull though vnknowne in like manner to Helias when he thought (d) 1 Of Kings 19 10
omnibus gentibus salutare tuum vtique tâ—les vt minâ—antur vt pauci fiâ—nt hinc exeunt A multitudine vnitatis omnes exieruÌ„t siâ—ut Pâ—ulo ante coÌ„memoraui dictuÌ„ de illis ex nobis exierunt c. And Aug. trâ— 3. in ep Ioâ— saith omnes Haeretici omnes Schismat ex nobis exieruÌ„t id est ex ecl exeuÌ„t Fathers and (6) See M. Alâ—sâ—n in hâ—s confutacioÌ„ of Browâ—â—sâ—â—e pag. 1. initio Protestants doe not without euident reason note the sectemasters of their times For seeing that truth is auncient to heresie the which is but a deniall of some part of the truth then in being and professed and that the summe of our Christian religioÌ„ was accordingly at first established and continued in and by the Apostles (7) See M. Bâ—â—sons words alledged heretofore tract 2. c. 2. sect 6. at z. a. and their Successors There neuer (*) This is evidently seene in the examples of Arius Novatus Donatus c. And all other Arch heretikes or sect-masters of every age neither can our adversaries give any one example to the contrarie was therefore nor possiblie could bee any Arch Hereticke or sectmaister who dâ—d not by his the secoÌ„dary InnovatioÌ„ in denial of some truth deuide himselfe from the Catholike Churches the visible societie whervpon as it followeth by necessary sequele that it sufficeth not our adversaries to affirme with such needy begging of the thing in questioÌ„ no lesse peremptory assuming iudgemeÌ„t vnder preteÌ„ce of that forbiddeÌ„ (¶) 2. Peter 1. private interpretation whâ—ch (8) Hereof see heretofore tract 2. cap. 1. initio in the margent at the letter p. q. themselues do frame vpon the Scriptures that we haue departed frâ—m God vnlesse withall they can shewe from what other knowne companie of Christian to vs then elder in being we did devide our selves betaking vâ— so thereby into an other singuler societie as did in their several times Wâ—lâ—â— Wiâ—liâ—e Husse Luther Calvin c. in their departing from our Catholike church the like whereof to haue hapned by any such departure made by our Church f om any other knowne â—ompay of Christ ans to it then ancient and in being in any age or nation since the Apostles times our learned adversaries are (â‹) Wheras the proof hereof lieth on our adversaries part their most materiall obiections in this behalfe are examined answered heretofore tract 1. sect 7. the contrarie by vs proved tract 1. sect 8. not able to shew a thing in regard of the reason befoâ—e alleaged worthy of all speciall due observation So likewise which is no lesse worthie also to be observed although it be manifest grouÌ„ded that the true Church must vndoubtedly evermore (9) Hereof see hereafter tract 2. cap. 2. sect 13. initio in the margeÌ„t at the letter r. continue with (10) Hereof see heretofore tract 2. ca. 2. sect 1. lit tâ—â— x. y. Z. b. c. administration of the Word and Sacrament Yet to avoide the example of the Primitiue Church being as made by our adversaries vnworthily questionable by vs heretofore even from themselues sufficiently (11) Concerning testimonies of our nâ—w Catholike doctrine to have beene taught in the Primitive Church see heretofore tract 1. sect 2. 3. tra 2. c. 1. sect 3. cleared and withall to restraâ—ne theÌ„ to an other no lesse large certaine knowne time they are not able to name froÌ„ Anno Dom. 700. for other 700. yeeres then next after following a time long larg enough so much as but any one (*) The Waldenses Wicleâ—â—stes Hâ—ssites Lutherans admitting they were all Protestants the contrarie wherof is heretofore prooved are yet in their forenamed severall sect-masters as are also the Calvinistes in Calvine reduced to a Catholike beginning And as for other examples our adversaries caÌ„noâ— giue instance so much as of any one other man whom they can pretend to haue been originally a Protestant and not a Catholike And if they flee to the examples of such other as themselues cannot but acknowledge for confessed heretikes it is ridiculously impertinent and sheweth their full conviction herein other persoÌ„ living during any part of althat time in any one nation of the earth whom they can but with any coulor pretend to haue beene at first no Catholike but originally a Protestant As we haue before said Waldo Wicliue Husse Luther Caluin c. from whom haue sprong the Waldenses Wiclevistes Hussites Lutherans Caluinistes c. were each of them originally Catholickes as likwise were for former times Arius Nouatus Pelagius Nestorius c. Let now our aduersaries peruse though most carefully the seuerall writings of their own most painful writers in this behalf as nâ—mely M. Fox his Acts monuments Il iricus his Catalogus testium veritatis Simon de voyon his Discourse vpon the Catalâ—gue of the Doctors of Gods Church also the century writers of Magdeburge and they shall not in all or any of them or in any other find instance or example of any one other man named to the contrarie of that which wee now vrge if then our learned adversaries be not able to giue vs neither instance of any departure made by our Church froÌ„ any other knowne coÌ„pany of Christians to it then ancient and in being yet neither also example as it is before required during the time before limited so much as but of any one man liuing in any part of the world who was at first no Catholike but originally a Protestant If these things be plaine evident not to be excepted against by our learned adversaries what then can be more cleere to proove a manifest interruption and discontinuance of their Churches Pastors adminstration of the Word Sacraments that as our Religion is vndoudtedly that (12) Math. 13 24. Good seede which Christ the good husband man first Sowed in his field So also their aduerse doctrines are those forewarned (13) Math. 13 25. tares which the enemie afterwards came and sâ—wed among the Wheate went his way And thus much concerning the Protestants apparent defection of their Churches Pastors administration of the Word and Sacraments THAT THEREFORE PROTESTANTES for preseruation of Christs Church in being doe acknowledge thâ— Catholickâ— Church to haue bin the truâ— Church and the Religion thereof for sufficient to Salvation SECT 13. WHICH saiâ—le defection or wante of their Churches Pastors administratioÌ„ of the Word and Sacramentes carrieth with it such an evident scandall or rather scroople by reason of the confessed doctrine to the contrarie of all men conâ—erning the true Churcâ— which according to (r) M. Whitaker against M. Raynoldes in his answere to the preface pag. 33. saith Wee beleeue to the comforte of our soules that Christs Church hath continued and neuer shall faile so long as the world endureth we accompt it a prophane heresie to teach otherwise And the same is yet
THE APOLOGIE OF THE ROMANE CHVRCH DEVIDED INTO THREE SEVErall Tractes whereof 1. The first Concerneth the Antiquitie and continuance of the Catholike Romane Religion ever since the Apostles time 2. The second That the Protestantes Religion was not so much as in being at or before Luthers first appearing 3. The thirde That Catholickes are no lesse Loyall and dutifull to their Soveraigne then Protestantes All which are vndertaken and proved by testimonies of the learned Protestantes themselues Esay 19 2. And I wâ—ll sette the Aegyptians against the Aegyptians so everie one shall fight against his brother IHS Printend with licence Anno Domini 1604. AN ADVERTISEMENT to the Reader FRENDLY Reader thou art hereby to be aduertised that in regard of the many and great difficulties which accompany Catholickes in the impressioÌ„ of their bookes in England it was houlden the safest course to committe this worke to straingers laboure by reason of whose ignorance in our language and want of due asistance to him in his printing hereof it falleth out that many wordes are mistaken and other errors committed of all which thou art to afford thy fauourable and patient consideration And wheras the letters or other markâ—s of reference occurring in the text are not for the reason aforesaid asserted alwaies in their due and proper place Let thus much serue once for all to admonish thee that if at any time thou parceiue by the sence of the place that the said letters or markes of reference cannot as they should relate to the wordes next following in the text then art thou in such places to referre them to the other wordes of the text going there next before And where also the foresaid letters or markes of reference haue not somtimes their answerable citation or authoritie alledged in the margent of that page or folio thou art then to enquier therefore in the margent of the folio which is next before or next following Thus much but remembred and well obserued will be sufficient to deliuer thee from many mistakings Thus wishing thy Good as mine owne I bidd thee most hartely farewell This first of Aprill 1604 I. B. A TABLE OF CERTAINE PROTESTANT WRITERS AND THEIR PARTICVLER WRITINGS WHOSE folio or page are for more readie and certaine direction specially alledged in this discourse and of their severall editions or yeare of Printe according to which they bee so alledged vnlesse it be otherwise noted in the margent A ACCADEMIAE Nemausensis brevis modesta responsio ad professoruÌ„ Turnoniorum societatis Iesu assertiones Londini Anno 1584. Adamus Francisci his Margarita theologica c. VVotebergae 1602. Anthonie Sadel de rebus gravissimis disputationes theologicae c. Cantabrigia 1584. Acta Colloquij AldeburgeÌ„sis Lipsiae 1570. Alison his coÌ„futation of Brownisme Printed 1590. Anthonie de Adamo his Anatomie of the Masse printed anno 1556. Amandus Polanus professor in Basile his Sillogethesium theologicarum c. Basiliae M. D.XCV.II Amandus Polanus his Partitiones theologicae Basiliae M. IC.CI Andraeas Crastouius his duo libelli de opificio missae c. contra Bellarminum Basiliae M.D.XCIV Antichristus siue prognostica finis mundi Basileae per Petrum Pernam Apologia ad acta conuentus quindecem theologoruÌ„ torgae nuper habit Genevae 1575. Aretius his Loci Comunes Geneuae 1589. Andraeas Althamerus his Conciliationes locorum Scripturae qui specie tenus pugnare videntur Norimbergae Anno 1535. Abraham Scultetus his Medulla theologiae Patrum Ambergae 1603. Acta Theologorum WirtembergensiuÌ„ Patriarchae Constantinop D. Hieremiae c. Witerbergae 1584. B Baro his Treatize of Gods provideÌ„ce c. Englished by I.L. printed by Iohn Woulfe Baro his foure sermons and two questioÌ„s disputed ad clerum in S. Maries Church in Cambridge Englished by I.L. printed by Iohn Woulfe Bale his pageant of Popes printed 1574. BertraÌ„ de loque his discourse of the church traÌ„slated into English by T.W. printed 1582. Bale Scriptorum illustriuÌ„ maioris Britanniae c. Catallogus c. Basileae apud Iohâ—â—nem Oporinum Bancrofte now Bishope of London his Survey of the pretented holy discipline printed 1593. Beacon the second part of his bookes sette forth Anno 1560. Benedict Morgenstern Pastor Grandentinus in Prussia tract de Ecclesia c. Francofurtie M.D.XCVIII Beza ad acta colloquij Montisbegardensis responsio Anno 1589. Beza in his sermoÌ„s vpoÌ„ the Canticles Englished 1587. Bilson now Bishope of Winchester his true difference betweene Christian subiection vnchristian rebellion Anno 1586. Bilson his perpetual GovernmeÌ„t of Christs Church Anno 1593. Bilson of the full Redemption of mankind by the death and bloode of Christ Anno 1599. Bridges his defence of the Government c. Anno 1587. Bullinger his sermons devided into decades and translated into English Anno 1587. Bullinger his hundreth sermons vpon the Apocalippes Englished and printed 1573. Brocard vpon the Revelations Englished and printed Anno 1582. Barlowe his defence of the Articles of the Protestants religion ce printed 1601. Bartholomeus Keckermanus his Systema SS Theologiae Hanoutae 1602. Bell his Motiues printed 1593. Bucanus his Loci Comunes printed M. D.CII C Carlile his booke that Christ desceÌ„ded not into hell printed 1582. Chemnitius his Examen Concilij Tridentini Anno 1578. Chemnitius his Enchiridion c. An. 1590. Cowper late Bishoppe of Winchester his Chronicle printed Anno 1565. Chitraei Chronicon Anni 1593. 1594. c. printed Lipsiae Anno 1595. Camden his Britanniae c. printed Francofurti 1590. Carion his Chronicon expositum auctum à MelaÌ„cthone Peucero printed Bernae 1601. Couel his examinatioÌ„ of some things vsed in the Church of England c. printed 1604. CassiaÌ„der de officio Pij viri in hoc religionis dissidio Anno 1562. Coelius Secundus Curio de amplitudine regni Dei Anno 1554. Caluin Institutio impress ArgeÌ„torat 1539. Colloquium Altenburgense Anno 1570. Centuria Epistolarum theologicarum c. à Melancthone Bucero Peâ—â—â—ano alijs ab Anno 1519. vsque 1540. printed 1597. Centurie writers their Centuries printed at Basile per Iohannem Oporinum the 6. Centurie being printed there 1562. the 7. printed there 1567 and thother â—uâ—â—ormer Centuries being printed there certaine severall yeares beâ—ore Castalio his defensio suarum translationuÌ„ c. Basileae per Iohannem Oporinum Conspiracie for pretended reformation printed 1592. Crispinus his discourse of the estate of the Church Englished and printed 1602. Couel his defeÌ„ce of M. Hooker printed 1603. D De RussoruÌ„ Muscouitarum tartarorum religione c. spiâ—ae libera ciuitate veterum nemetum 1582. Deering his readings vpon the Epistle to the Haebrewes Dent his Exposition vpon the Revelations Anno 1603. Danaeus his Isagoges Christianae parte quarta Geneuae Anno 1586. Dangerous Positions published in this Iland vnder pâ—etence of reformation and for the presbiteriall discipline 1595. Downham his treatize concerning Antichrist 1603. Danaeus his responsio ad disput Bellarmini part 1. Geneuae 1596.
before Luther which are yet in memorie of this present age no example can bee alledged of the Protestants but onely of the Catholike Churches administâ—ation of the Word and Sacraments pag. 141. SECT 12 A short plaine and vnanswerable further demonstration of the Protestant Churches defection and the Catholikes Churches continuance pag. 150. SECT 13 That therefore Protestants for the preservation of Christs Church in being doe acknowledge the Catholike Church to haue beene the true Church the religion therof for sufficient to salvation pag. 154. SECT 14 A briefe repetition of the premisses of this second chapter pag. 156. TRACT 3. SECT 1 CONCERNING the confessed antiquitie of Catholike Priesthood Confession AbsolutioÌ„ Masse c. and of the Penall lawes made against them pag. 158. SECT 2 The Protestants obiection of Catholickes disloyaltie retorted vpon them selues pag. 163. SECT 3 A repetition of confessed examples prouing the loyaltie of English Catholickes pag. 168. SECT 4 A like repetition of confessed examples proving the loyaltie of forraine Catholickes pag. 173. SECT 5 A protestatioÌ„ of the now English Catholickes pag. 175. SECT 6 That the argument drawne from the confessioÌ„ of the aduersaries is strong with a breife repetition of the principall points throughout all these seuerall tractes proued all of them by testimony and coÌ„fession of learned protestants with an humble petition for priuate tolleratioÌ„ pag. 177. SECT 7 Concerning the euident incertainety and disagrement of Protestants in theire faith and the reason and perticuler examples thereof with a like humble petition thereupon for disputacion pag. 183. TO THE RIGHT HONORABLE LORDES AND OTHER THE KNIGHTS AND BVRGESSES ASSEMBLED IN THE HIGH AND MOST HONORBLE Court of Parliament houlden this present yeare 1604. FOR so much right Honorable as the Catholickes subiectes of this Nation beeing though distressed members yet truely members of that politicke Body which this high and honorable court of Parliament doth represent haue now for a great part of this last declining age bene contrarie to all example of former times excluded from their accustomed places and voices therin and continuing yet vnder such estate are therby depriued of all ordinary meanes to moue or answere for them selues when and where it doth most concerne them It cannot I hope seeme iustly greeuous or offensiue to any that being in these straights and destitute of all other aduocates they should mediate the appeasing of their former pressures and calamities by their owne most humble and earnest intercession Amongst which their sundry endeuours thus vndertaken to be made knowen vnto his Maiestie as to a most Roiall and euer flowing fountaine of all grace and mercie The treatise hereunto annexed was specially one being at first penned with intention to haue the same deliuered vp to his Highnes But wheras afterwards his Highnes being in the meane time ouercharged with multitude of petitions so formerly exhibited by Catholickes and others his princely pleasure was thereupon at last signified not to be further troubled or impoâ—tuned in that kind the author of this treatise did thervpon not only alter his first intention coÌ„cerning the deliuery therof vp to his Highnes but also seriously laboured by all carefull meanes direction for the vtter suppressing therâ—f In whiâ—h â—ourse of his said labour wheÌ„ I perused ouer the orâ—ginal writen copie hereof which casuallye and without his knowledge came vnto my handes and had fully considered the sobrietie of stile therein so carefully obserued and continued without all occasion of offence and the peculâ—er and choice methode therof togither with the sundâ—ie important reasons enlarged and set downe therein not so much with ornamente oâ— riches of wordes as with correspondence sequell of matter and that somewhat perhaps more (*) The Author hath signified his painefull allegation of testimonies to haue bene vndertaken not ambitiously to paint his margent with multitude of authorities but only in regarde of the aduersaries tergiuersation and bould deniall concerninge any pointe not pleÌ„tifully and plainly proued and to the end that what is through his affected breuitie wantinge in the text may in further satisfactioÌ„ wher it sâ—all seeme needfull be founde more fully in the margent painefully endeuoured in this then in some other like treatise formerly published howsoeuer I could not but commend his foresaid care and good discretion in not presuming by deliuerye of this treatise to his Highnes to become offensiue or further tedious to so great a Maiestie Yet could I not but censure his other intendment of suppressing the same for no lesse then extreame and fitt to be preuented as houlding it vnworthy that so great paines of such publicke profite should for his priuate satisfaction be wholly suppressed and buried in silence For which cause I haue aduentured though in regard of the reason before signified not to offend or trouble his Maiestie therwith yet to dispose therof in an other course and so publishing the same without the Authors assent to offer it with all humble and due respecte to your most honorable and graue considerations For whom other may we in the coÌ„fidence and equitie of our cause importune rather then your selues being the honorable Peers and graue Sages of our noble Nation vpon whom next vnto his MAIESTIE the charge of redressing our miseries is most properly incumbent Vouchsafe therfore I humbly beseech you to view euen with charitable and Christian commiseration our present estate condition described to you in this treatise and in like maner to waigh the reasons and motiues to the contrarie therin set downe which are many and important As first that our affliction heretofore for so many yeeres susteyned hath bene for persisting constant in that Faith wherto we Englishmen were aboue a thousand yeeres since (1) See hereafter tract 1. sect 1. conuerted that also the same faith is (2) ibid. sect 2. initio sect 3. confessed to haue bene the generally receaued faith of all Christian countries for sundrie hundreth yeeres before those times that likewise it was â—onfirmed (3) tract 1. sect 5. with true and vndoubted miracles and those reported not from the Apocriphall testimonie of any pretended fabulous Legend but from the constant assertion of learned Protestants them selues That also the same faith is deduced (4) tract 1. sect 2. circa post med tract 1. sect 3 subdiuision 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. c. vp to the Apostles times In more full demonstratioÌ„ wherof it is likewise yet further shewed as well that Protestants are not able (5) tract 1. sect 7 to proue that the Romane Church hath changed her Religion since her first profession therof in the Apostles times as also that Catholickes haue proued (6) tract 1. sect 8 the contrarie euen by sundry arguments demonstratiuely vnanswerable Furthermore that wheras according to S. Austines (*) Aug. in Psal 30. con 1. faith obscurius dixâ—runt Prophetae de Christo quaÌ„ de ecclesia Puto propterea quia
in the Apostles times and agreeing so far with vs and against our aduersaries in so many principall points of faith is not obscurely signified that our now Catholicke Religion is that Primatiue faith which the Apostles them selues first planted in all nations A FARTHER DEMONSTRATION BY Confessed Testimonie from the Fathers that it was taught in the Apostles time §. 3. VVHICH antiquitie or prescription of our professed Catholicke Doctrine vp to those Apostolicke times is also made as yet much more probable or rather euident by that which our learned aduersaries them selues do yet further acknowledge and collect from the writings of the more ancient Fathers To goe through euery (*) concerning euery perticuler see more fully hereafter Tract 2. c. 1. sect 3. perticuler would be ouer tedious to your MAIESTIE and improper to this place Vouchsafeth therefore your HIGHNES that we may giue instance in such as be cheefe 1 First concerning vowes it is acknowledged that (a) Peter Martir de votis pag. 490. fine saith erant ergo Clementis aetate professiones castitatis vota fateor Iam tum inceperant homines deflectere a verbo dei c. the profession and vowes of Chastitie were extant amonge Christians in the time of Clement Bishope of Alexandria that (â‹) Peter Martir ibidem pag. 524. fine saith Scio epiphaniuÌ„ cum multis alijs ex patribus in eo errare quod peccatuÌ„ esse dicant votum huiusmodi violare cum opus fuerit male illum id referre in traditiones Apostolicas Epiphanius many other Fathers erred therin that (b) centur 3. c. 6. col 140. line 27 centur 3. c. 7. col 176. line 39. Tertulian and Ciprian taught vowes of Chastitie That the same haue bene vsed (c) Caluin institut l. 4. c. 13. sect 17. ab vltima memoria and antiquitus receptum that (d) Peter Martir de celebatu votis versus finem imediately after the Apostles times to much was attributed to vowes that Ignatius him selfe though their scholler signifieth in his epistles his (e) centur 2. c. 4. col 64. line 40. It is said ex epistolis Ignasij apparet homines iam tum paulo impensius caepisse amare venerari virginitatis studium nam in epist ad Antioch ait virgines videant cui se consecrarins to much liking of that profession and (f) Centur. 2. c. 10. col 167. line 24. de virginitate minus comode loquitur speaketh incommodiously of virginitie (*) Abraham Scultetus in his medulla theologiae Patrum pag. 450. circa med alleageth Ignatius saying ad Philadelp Saluto collegium virginuÌ„ wherupon he imediately inferreth Ergone in illo ecclesiae florâ— fuerunt quae castitatem continentiam perpetuam profiterentur Virgines fuerunt omninq c. saluting and affirming Colleges of Virgines and so plainely that our learned aduersaries doe there-vpon affirme how that euen (â‹) Scultetus vt supra in that flower of the Church there were Virgins that professed Perpetuall Chastitie that lastly S. Ambros and Epiphanius deriue (¶) Peter Martir de coelibatu votis pag. 543. paulo post med pag. 525. initio Professed Chastitie from the institution of S. Paule 2 Secondly coÌ„cerning the Reall presence of Christs body in the Sacrament the reseruation thereof and the mixture of water with wine in the Challice concerninge the first it is affirmed that Gregory the greate (1) Humfred Iesuitissimi part 2. tat 5. pag. 626. post med taught transubstantiation that (2( The Centurie writers cent 5. col 517. l. 23 say Chrisostomus transubstantionem videtur confirmare nam ita scribit c. Chrisostome is thought to confirme transubstantiation that (3) Centur. 4. c 10. col 985. line 30 Eusebius Emissen did speake vnprofitablely of transubstantiation that (4) Aothonie de Adamo in his Anotomie of the Masse fol. 221. a. fine see the centurie writers cent 4. cap. 4. col 295. l. 3 And oecolampadius in libro epistolarum oecolaÌ„padij Zuinglij lib. 3. p. 765. the bookes of Sacraments ascribed to Ambros affirme the opinion of Christs Bodely Presence in the Sacrament wherin Peter Martir likewise professeth to (5) Peter Martir in defens obiect Gardner part 4. pag. 724. And see also Peter Martirs further dislike of Cyrils sâ—yings in his epistles annexed to his coÌ„mon places in English his epistle there to Beza pag. 106. b ante medium where he saith I will not so easely subscribe to Cyrill who affirmed such a communion as therby euen the substance of the flesh and blood of Christ first is ioyned to the blessing for so he calleth the holy Bread c. And in his epistle to Caluine ibidem pag. 98. a. ante med he proueth further for this opinion Cyrill and some other Fathers dislike the Iudgment of Cirill that (6) In the treatise attributed to Vrsinus entitled Commonefactio cuiusdam theologi de S. caena eiusdem commonefactionis consideratio pag. 211. 218. In Ciprian are many sayings which seeme to affirme transubstantiation in so much as they do (7) The sermon of Cyprian de caena Domini which this foresaid testimonie concerneth is dedicated to Cornelius who was Bishoppe of Rome when Cyprian liued and to whom Cyprian him selfe l. 1. ep 1. ep 3. did write in so much that Mr. Fulke against the Rhemish testament in 1. cor cap. 11. fol. 282. a. circa medium alleageth testimonie from thence affirming that the Author de caena Domini was not in time much inferior to Cyprian vnworthely affirme that Sermon of his in which those sayings are extant to be counterfaite that lastly Ignatius (8) Mr. Whitgift in his defence against Carthwrightes reply pag. 408. ante med who was S. Iohns scholler liued in Christs time did as Theoderet 1200 yeares since them selues now do (9) Theodoret. dial 3. and Hamelmanus de traditionibus apostolicis c. col 746. line 18. 19. 22 23 c. alleageth not only Theodoret but also one Wydefortus alledging Anno 1396. this saying of Ignatius out of an auncient copie of that time affirme and as the Lutheranes do obiect (10) Vide recitationes de concilio scripti libri concordiae c. printed Lipsiae 1581. nona recitat p. 177. ante medium in proofe of their Reall presence say of the heretickes in his time they do not admitt Euchariste and oblations because they do not confesse the Eucariste to be the flesh of our Sauiour Iesus Christ which flesh suffered for our sinnes and one of our aduersaries confesseth accordingly that (11) Adamus Francisci in Margarita theologica p. 256. saith Commentum Papistarum de transubstantiatione mature in ecclesiam irrepsit TransubstantiatioÌ„ entred early into the Church and an other saith (12) Anthonie de Adamo in his Anotomie of the Masse pag. 236. a. ante med I haue not yet hetherto beene able to knowe when this opinion of the
happie Reigne presume with all hâ—mble respect to demaund it The many yet standing monuments of sacred Churcheâ— Colledges erected by our Catholike auncestors for the oneâ—y profession of our fa th now since impropriated to our adversaries make in their kinde most religious and mournefull intercession for it The doctrine of so many learned Protestants who teach (n) M. Hayward in his answere to R. Dolman dedicated to your Maiestie cap. 9. paulo post medium sâ—ith all the cheâ—fe writers of our age are nowe reduced to the former opinion affirming with Tertulliâ—n Lactantiuâ— Cassiodorus Iosâ—phus Bernard others that religion must bee perswaded not enforced Tindall in the Acts Monuments pag. 1338. a. initio saith the new Testament of Christ wil not suffer any law of coÌ„pulsioÌ„ but onely of councell and exhortation And ibidem pa. 1337. b. post mediuÌ„ And ibidem pag. 1152. b. fine Haukes saith to Bisâ—op Boner where proue you that Christ or his Apostles did kill any man for his faith Alâ—o Iacobus Acontius stratagematuâ—â— satanae libri octo â—iscourcing at large of this point saith consequens ergo est manere quidem suo in vigore veteâ—â—m legem aut certè renouarâ—â—si â—ilem possâ— nâ—que tâ—men â—ermitti haereticorum supplicia quia videlicet aliâ— sit apostatae â—lia haerâ—tici câ—â—sâ— pag. 158. initio And further Dominus profecto definitè declâ—â—uit magistratus non esse idonâ—os dogmatum Iudices interdixitque illis talis Iurisdictionis vsu â—mni pag. 160. circâ— med and pag. 161. circa med hee farther saith hereof haec quidem Iudiciorum genâ—râ—â—d magistratum non pertinent sed ad solum Dei filium qui in nouissiâ—o die per angeâ—os sâ—os seperatuâ—â—s sitâ—â—t itico zâ—zanâ—â— with much more against all punishment fâ—r Chrâ—stian religion And Vrbanus Regius iâ— loc theolog fol. 117. c. â—aâ—th hereof Christianorum Spiritus combuâ—it tantum igne châ—ritâ—tis â— Deus non docet comburâ—re eâ—â—antâ—s ouiculas sed Ezechiâ—l 34. sanare infirmas maâ—ilâ—tâ—s pascere c. And Luther in assâ—rtionibus art 33. de non comburendis haereticis maâ—eth a speciall dâ—sâ—oursâ— in proofe thereof And Castalio in his Preface vpon the Bible to K. Edward the sixâ—e affirmeth the same doctrinâ— so â—ikwise dâ—th Coelius Secundus Curio in libâ—o de amplitudine regni Dei lib. 2. pag. 216. And â—rancisâ—us Gomaâ—us in speculo vâ—rae Ecclâ—siae pâ—g 227. 229. And M. Marbecke in his Comon places pag. 483. 484. that no man ought to bee compelled or suffer for his faith prescribeth it The graver Iudgment of our forenamed learned adversaries who acknowledge our Catholike Church to bee a true (1) See heretofore pa 4â— e. f â—h Church and oâ—r religion for sâ—fficâ—ent (2) Hâ—retofore pag. 40 at m.n. to salvation maketh â—ost clearely fâ—r it The poâ—icy of the time and succesfu l event vpon like examples (3) See in Luc. â—siander â—â—epâ—tom hist eccl centu 16. sundrie eâ—aâ—ples of tolloration as namely in Fraunce pa. 1135. fine 1136. initio pag. 816. 713 750. 735 fine 718. And in Liuonâ—a pâ—g 950. initio and in Geâ—m â—ie pag. 629. 630. pag. 598. Anâ— of Gâ—â—manie see farther the Protâ—stant wrâ—ter Dresserus in paâ—te secuÌ„da Millenâ—rij texti wâ—ere he saith pag. 659 initio Anno 52. pax profitentibus Augustanâ—m Confessionem perpâ—tua concâ—ssâ—â—st c. And pag. 661. ante medium heâ— further saiâ—â— it was agreede vâ—â—â— ea quidem lege conditione vt Pontificij qui ante in sectati religioneÌ„ Evangelicam erâ—â—â— insâ—ctari desisterent contra Evangâ—lici qui religonem Pontificiam abroâ—arant deâ—â—â—â—s à tali abrogatione abstinerent caueretque vtraque pars ne in suis dominijs quenquam ad iuâ—ae religionis professionem cogat aut à religione quam profâ—tetur contra ipsius conscientiâ—m â—vocâ—t â—ut depâ—llat And pag. 666. ante med he saith in allowance thereof neâ— hic metuo eorumâ—â—e â—â—hensionem qui putant non nisi vnam religioneÌ„ esse ferandaÌ„ c. And M. D. â—â—lke lib. dâ—sâ—ccessione Ecclesiastica c. pag. 285. 286. giueth very many examples of tolleration gâ—uen by Catholike Magistrates to Protestants in so much as hee doubteth not to say fuâ—ther Hâ—ipâ—niâ—rum Rex vnicus est inter omnes Europae reges tam alienus à nobis vt nec foueat nec pâ—lâ—m coire ecclesias permittat in suis ditionibus ibid. pag. 285. fine And see further Châ—traeus in his Chron. An 93.94 95. pag. 74. 75. 76. coÌ„cerning tolleratioÌ„ in the kingdome of Suecia and concerning like tolleration in Fraunce see l. edit du roy sur la Pacification des trobles deâ—â—roy â—â—me Anno 1576. And see likewise the Kings edict published in Paris 25. Februarie 1599. â—â—giâ—â—d and printed Anno 1599. And see the like example of tolleration in Heluetia in the booke entituled Centuriâ— Epistolâ—â—um theologicarum Epist 39. Martini Buceri pag. 123. and 1.4 wherevnto might be added the knowne example of like tolleration in Poland had of tolleration in other countries stroÌ„gly perswadeth it And aboue all the generall care of Chrâ—stian pâ—ofession and long desired peace of so many ChristiaÌ„ kingdome disturbed to the Turkes great advancemeÌ„t (o) concerning couÌ„tries which the Turke hath gotten by our discention for former times read the oration of the FreÌ„ch Embassador in M. Sleydanes Comentaries in English lib. 14. fol. 187. a. b. And M. D. Humfrey in Iesuitismi part 2. rat 3. pag. 286. And for latter times see Chitraeus his Chronicon Annâ— 1593. 1594. And see the treatize entituled ad Principes populumque Christianum de Bello adversus Turcas gerendo c. Guilielmi Brusâ—ij coÌ„cilium Lipsiae 1595. hinderance (p) M. Foxe in his Actes and Monuments Printed 1576 in his Alphabetical table at the word discorde sheweth with particuler references thereof to his booke that discord brought the Turke into HuÌ„gary 727. 695. And giueth him st eÌ„ tha aâ—st ChristeÌ„dome 712. 998. spoileth Germanie 317. Christendome 314. of Christians with intestiue division for the appeasing and reconcileing whereof to the full enabling of a most holie and needefull (4) Concerning the important necessitie hereof reade the oration mâ—de by Dressâ—â—us a learned Protestâ—nt entituled de bello Turcico oratio mathaeâ— Dressers in Accademia â—â—â—sica printed 1598. And sâ—e the treatize intituled the Ottoman of Lazaro Soranzo published in english by M. Abr. Hartwell An. 1603. in his epist dedicat to the L. Archbish of Câ—ntâ—rbury â—irca mâ—d â—â—m see in the treatize part 3. c. 33. fol. 106. b. 107. a. vndertaken warre against that hatefull monster to â—od man whose proceedings Luther and some other Protestantes haue over indisretely if not favoured yet (5) hereof see heretofore tra 2. c. 2. sect 10. initio pag 127. furthered your Maiestie being in happy league with theÌ„ all is therefore and otherwiâ—e the
videbant in spiritu contra ecclesiam homines facturos esse particulas de Christo non tantam litem habituros de ecclesia magnas conteÌ„tiones excitaturos ideo illud vnde maiores lites futurae erant planius predictuÌ„ est apertius prophetatum est c. assertion the holy Ghost foreseeing the contentions that would arise about the Church did therefore by his Prophets speake more plainelye therof then of our Sauiour him selfe there is in this treatise accordingly described (7) tract 2. cap. 1. sect 1. cap. 2 sect 1. the propheticall historie of the true Church with like proofe of the succeeding answerable euent therof to be most euidently wanting (8) tract 2. cap. 1. sect 2. 3. 4. 5. tract 2. ca. 2. sect 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 10. in the Protestants Church and yet fulfilled (9) tract 2. cap. 1. sect 3. 4 in ours In so much has the more sober and learned Protestants in preseruatioÌ„ of Christs true Church vpon earth for many former ages in which theirs was wanting are enfoâ—ced to acknowledge (10) tract 1. sect 6. post med tract 2. ca. 2 sect 13 circa post medium our now Catholicke Romane Church to be the true Church and the profession therof for sufficient to saluation charging therfore their other inconsiderate and headstrong brethren who affirme the contrarie euen with ignorant (11) tract 2. ca. 2. sect 13. fine zeale These with sundry other important reasons being contained in this treatise and all of them made plaine and confessed not by doubtfull ambagie of words neither by onely sentences of Scriptures or Fathers though in them selues neuer so manifest for that course is specially and of purpose forborne as being in regard of our aduersaries endles tergiuersation no other then as it were a vast Ocean wherin we can hardly restraine them to any cert intie of fight But for their more full conuincing by those speciall testimonies whether of Scriptures or Fatheâ—s whose euident sense on our behalfe is accordingly and for such acknowledged euen by their owne learned writers and those not fewe or vulgar but many and of great estimation I haue in respect of such their frequent and plaâ—ne testimonies so fully alleaged in iustificacion of our Church and religion entitled this treatise The Protestants Apollogie of the Romane Church How effectuall that kind of argument is which is thus taken froÌ„ the confession of the aduersaries I shall not need to shew seing the force therof is not onely acknowledged (12) hereof see hereafter tract 3. sect 6. initio by Mr. D. Whittaker and other Protestant writers but is also of it selfe manifest euen to common vnderstanding For how can it be denied but that they who in liking of their owne opinion doubt not to preferre and maintaine the same against the vniforme and confessed iudgement to the contrarie of the auncient Fathers of our now Catholike writers and of their owne learned brethren are to be giuen ouer as being desperately incureable much more worthie of conteÌ„pt then answere These thinges being thus premised the conclusion of my most humble request is that you will not forget to remeÌ„ber these knowne principles of your owne schooles as namely that you are but men and subiecte (13) tract 3. sect 7. paulo post initium no lesse then the Fathers were or then we yet are to error ouer-sight and misvnderstandinge of the Scriptures that therfore you would resolue to (14) 1. Iohn 4 1. trie the spiritts if they be of God and (15) 1. Thessal 5 21 proue all things houlding that which is good And that accordingly you would read ouer this treatise not being traÌ„sported with preiudicate (16) Dauid Pareus a Protestant writer in libro de simbolis sacramentalibus p. 17. post med coÌ„fesseth the preiudicate conceit of many Protestants saying illud vero ego intelligo multos doctrinam Papae damnare qui eam non intelligunt damnant vero tantum nominis odio conceit of your former opinions but as led the to with indifferent and equall censure Let not the sway of times or our miseries preuaile to make you so regardles or vs dispiseabâ—e that therfore you should be vnmindfull either of your owne soules or our present â—onditâ—on Thus much but obtained I doubt not but you will in the end awake from all former spirituall drousines of opinion therupon confesse say of our Cathol ke Church as Iacob at his bodily awaking said of the place where he dreamed (17) Genesis 28 12 16 Surely the Lord was in this place and I was not aware The eternal God according to whose will all lawes shold be made direct you accordingly in your making of lawes and incite or stirre vp (18) act 5 34 35 38 39. if any as God forbid not yet satisfied with our former troubles shoulde vrge or moue for our further continued calamitie some one or other well enspired hart to perswade and preuaile as did the honorable Gamaliel when he vpon the like occasion said (18) Act. 5 34.35 38 39. Men of Israel take heede what you intend to do touching these men c. refraine your selues and let them alone for of this workâ— of theirs be of men it will fall away but if it be of god you are not able to dissolue it TRACT 1. TO THE KINGS MOST EXCELLENT MAIESTIE IHS AMONG so many and so important reasons most Gratious Soueâ—aigne as are preuailing more thâ—n ordinary in question of the truth ther doth none occur of greater satisfaction then such as is graced with answerable (*) Mr. Whitaker de ecclesia coÌ„trou 2. quaest 5. cap. 14. initio pag. 366. saith firmum sit necesse est argumentum illud quod sumituâ— ex aduersariorum confessione c. efficax eniÌ„ erit aduersariorum ipsoruÌ„ contra ipsos testimonium c. et quidem fateor veritatem etiam e suis inimicis testimonium extorque re c. acknowledgement of the learned aduersarie And seeing it is the honourable priuiledge (¶) Hereby wee vnderstand the Puritane preachers their complices of our CATHOLICKE faith to be so Iustified by her enimies of whom neuerthelesse many to make vs more odious and deiected haue of their inueterate hatred busied them selues in their daily Sermons and other-wise neuer more then now of late publikely to depraue our professed religion with all vnworthy and scandalous calumniation perplexing so against vs euen the more sober and quiet iudgements with a dispersed contagion of their sophisticated to vs most dangerous incantations we cannot therfore in so greate necessity of times in our owne defence vse either a more proper Antidote to expell the poison of such their intemperate and impurest language or lesse offensiue meanes to your MAIESTIE for the appeasing of our former continued calamities so farre as to your PRINCELY and Christian wisdome may seeme requisite then if in this our
epitom cent 7. l. 4. c. 20. pag. 331. circa post med the two memorable brethren named Eualdi whom they therefore call Papisticall and S. Bede whom they likewise expresly charge with (g) Luc. Osiander in epitom cent 8. l. 2. c. 3. pag. 58. initio saith of Beda Omnibus pontificijs erroribus in articulis in quibus nos hodie a Papa dissentimus inuolutus est c. and saieth yet further of him bonus fuit vir error in all those popish articles wherin they at this day dissent from the Pope and yet that his profession notwithstanding they do thinke him worthy of the surname of (h) Mr. Foxe in his acts and monuments printed 1576. pag. 128. b. initio and M. Couper in his chronicle at the yeare 724. fol. 168. b. and Hollinshead in his great Chronicle of the last edition volum 1. pag. 130 b. initio reuerende not doubting to number him amongst (i) Mr. D. Humfrey in Iesuitismi part 2. rat 3 pag. 326. ante medium the godly men raysed vp by the holy Ghost THAT THE SAME FAITH VVAS VNIuersally professed for sundry ages before and was also agreeable to that first faith where to the Brittons of Wales were conuerted in the Apostles times § 2. 〈…〉 most dreed Soueraigne being our confessed Catholicke religion whereunto most vnâ—oubtedly we were so many ages since thus conuerted and for which we haue of late yeares endured such affliction was not as then priuate only vnto Rome or vs Englishmen but as our aduersaries do complaine was vniuersaly theÌ„ (k) Mr. Parkins in his exposition of the Creed pag 307. saith During the spaâ—â— of nine hundred yeares the popish heresie hath spread selfe ouer the wholle earth professed through the Christiâ—n worlde neither first as then became so vniuersall but as they yet further complaine and acknowledge continued such for sondry ages then before (l) Mr. Iohn Nappeir in his treatise vppon the reuelations dedicated to your Maiestie pag. 68 prope sinem saieth Betweene the yeare of Christ 300 316. the Antichristian and papisticall reigne begunne reigning vniuersally and without any debatable contradiction 1260 yeares Reâ—gning vniuersally saith Mr. Napeâ—e and without any debateable contradiction euen twelue hundreth sixtie yeares nexte ensewing the first 300. yeares after Christ (*) Mr. Nappeire vbi supra pag. 145. fine faith Euen 1260 yeares the Pope and his Cleargie hath possâ—ssed the outward visible Church of Christians And with this accompt of Mr. Napeir agreeth Mr. Brocaâ—d in his treatise vpon the reuelations fol. 110. a. circa med vvhere he affirmeth that the Church was trodden downe and oppressed by the papacie euen from Siluesters time vnto these times which he there and fol. 123. b collecteth to be during the said 1260 yeares the Pope and his Clergie during all that time possâ—ssing the outward visible Church of Christians In so much that whereas our learned aduersaries do truly affirme as being vndoubted that our neighbours the Brittons of Wales (m) M. Camden in his Britannia c. pag. 40. circa med saith Certum est Britannos in ipsa ecclesiae infancia christianam religionem imbibisse In proofe thereof he there alleadgeth sondrie auncient authorities pag. 40. circa med And pag. 157. paulo post med he saith In hac floruit monasterium Glastenburie quod antiquam repetit originem a Iosepho Arimathensi c. hoc enim antiquissima huius monasterij monumenta testantur c. Nec est cur de hac re ambigamus And Mr. Harrison in his description of Brittannie annexed to Hollinshead his great chronicle of the last edition volum 1. pag. 23 a. l. 18. saith that Ioseph preached here in England in the Apostels times his sepulcher yet in Glastenburie and Epitaph affixed therto is proofe sufficient Also Mr. HENOCH CLAPHAM in his soueraigne remedie against Schisme pag. 24. speaking of the conuersion of the Brittons in the Apostles times saith therof Our Schismatickes may as well aske me what assurance I haue there was a King Henry as demaund what assurance I haue of the other This point is also yet further affirmed by Mr. D. FVLKE in his booke against Heskins Sanders c. pag. 561. sect 71. and in his confutation of Purgatorie pag. 332. also by Mr. GODWINE in his catolog of Bishoppes c. pag. 1. initio receiued the (¶) Mr. BALE in his pageant of Popes saith The Brittons being conuerted by Ioseph of Aramathia held that faith at Austines coming And D. FVLKE against the Rhemish Testament in 2. Cor 12. sect 5. fol. 316. a circa med saith The Catholicke Brittons with whome Christian Religion had continued in succession from the Apostles times would not receaue Austine And in his answere to a counterfait Catholicke pag. 49. fine he saith The Britons before Austins coming continued in the faith of Christ euen from the Apostles times And Mr. FOXE in his acts and monuments printed 1576. pag. 463. a circa med saith faith of Christ by the preaching of the Apostles helde that faith at Austines comming not being as they yet further affirme in the meane time (n) In proofe that the Brittons of wales at and before Austines coming into England were not altered by thâ— ROMAN Church Mr. D. HVMFREY In Iesuitissimi part 2. rat 3. pag. 304. circa med saith Habuerunt Brittanni templa sibi non Romanis qui tum Romano iugo non erant subditi nec RomanaÌ„ religioneÌ„ suscipiebant nec Augustinum Apostolum suum agnoscebant Et vide ibidem pag. 624. fine Also Mr. Doct. FVLKE in his confutation of Purgatory pag. 372. initio saith It appeareth that this Land did neuer receaue the doctrine and ceremonies of the lattin Church before the time of the Saxons altred or corrupted by the Romane Church The Brittons after the receauing of the faith neuer forsooke it for any manner of false preaching of other nor for torments c. In the speciall proofe whereof as being most certainly true (o) Mr. D. BARLOWE in his defence of the articles of the Protestants religion pag. 21. affirmeth the Church of he Brittons to be as auncient euery day and as Christian euery way as the Râ—mane affirming further the integritie therof or not being altered by the Church of Rome first by their obseruation of Easter different from Austine Secondly by the opposition which they made against Austine Mr. D. Barlowe seriously laboureth it is neuerthelesse euident by S. Bede who liued (p) Bede did write his historie thereof Anno. 724. as witnesseth Mr. Cowper in his Cronicle fol. 168. b. so nere to those times and write the Historie therof And is also acknowledged since by Protestant writers that vpon conference then had at a place thereof called in Bedes time (q) Bedâ— hist lib. 2. c. 2. initio saith Augustinus adiutorio vsus Edilberthi Regis conuocauit ad suam colloquium Episcopos siue doctores maximae proximae Britonum prouinciae
Liber pastoris videtur receptus esse ab Ireneo Clemente And col 255 line 42 he saith Ostendit Eusebius a quibusdam librum pastoris receptum esse imprimis ab Ireneo sic Origines l. 1 de Principijs c. 3 citat quaedam ex libro pastoris eiusque libri lectionem commendat ho 13 in Ezech by Origen Clement and Ireneus who liued next to those Apostles times 14 Fourthtenthly whereas the Lord Archbishope of Canterburie doth against Carthwright learnedly and truly vrge this generall rule or proofe of Apostolicke Doctrine saying (m) Mr. Whitgiste in his deffence c. pag 351 for so much as the originall beginning of these names Metropolitaine Archbishop c. such is their antiquitie cannot be found so farr as I haue read it is to be supposed they haue their Originall from the Apostlâ—s themselues For as I remember S. Austine hath this rule in his 118 Epistle In somuch as he yet further saith in proofe of this rule (n) Mr. Whitgifte vbi supra pag 352 it is of credit with the writers of our time namely with Mr. Suinglius Mr. Caluine Mr. Gualter and surely I thinke no learned man doth dissent from them It is now by the premisses made more then euident that the seuerall Doctrines of our faith are according to this rule no lesse frâ—e from all noted and knowne beginning since the Apostles times then are the other foresaide Doctrines of Metropolitaines and Bishopes a thing so manifest that Master Carthwright though our greate aduersarie doubteth not yet further to acknowledge the same saying therefore of this very rule in plaine wordes (o) See Mr Carthwrite his wordes in Mr. Whitgiftes foresaide deffence c. pag 352 initio that thereby a windowe is open to bring in all Popery And (p) Master Carthwright alleaged ibidem pag 103 paulo ante medium I appeall saith he to the Iudgement of all men if this be not to bringe in Poperie againe to allowe of S. Austines saying So euidently do our owne learned aduersaries confirme and proue our foresaide Catholicke Religion wherto we were so manie ages since conuerted to be vndoubtedly Apostolicke ANOTHER LIKE DEMONSTRATION thereof by Testimonie from the Auncient Iewes §. 4. ADD but now in further demonstration hereof that concerning such Articles of faith now in question as are coÌ„mon to vs with the Fathers of the olde Testament whensoeuer vpon any occasion direct mencion is made of any of them either by those that were before Christs time or by the Iewish Rabines since it is still with vs and against our aduersaries So in the example of praier for the dead admitting the booke of Machabees but for a true Historie it may not be denied but that long before Christs time Iudas Machabeus the vndoubted seruant of god (q) 2. Machab. 2 43 procured sacrifice for the dead that the Priestes at Hierusalem accordingly offred (r) 2 Machab. 2 45 So he made a reconciliation for the dead that they might be deliuered from sinne it and that the Author of the Historie so many yeares after commended (s) 2. Machab. 2 45. It was a holy good thought vide ibidem verse 43 the same Whereunto might be added further like Testimonie thereof from Iosephus (t) Ioseph cap 9 diswadeth those distressed souldiers that were ready to kill theÌ„ selues saying ignoro milites quae sit propitiatio animae hominis qui seipsum interfecit quis intercedet pro nobis ad Deum si sic peccauerimus most plainely therby insinuating that for such as dye in better estate Praier may be made Bengorion also from Rabby Simeon (u) Rabby Symeon in libro Zoar. in c. 18 Genesis saith of such as are temporally punished after this life After they are purged from the filth of theire sinnes then doth God cause them to ascend out of that place who liued befâ—re Christ from sundry other olde Iewish (x) Menachim siam in Comment ad Leuit. c 16 and R. Hismi Alphesiâ— scholiastes ad caput Roch Haschana And R. Isaac Ababab in Lucerna lucis conclusione 1. part 2. c. 2. R. Dauid Kimhi in Psalm 32. Rabbines In so much as the Iewish Rabbines of latter age do therevpon yet to this day professefull to retaine and obserue (y) Rabby Moyses in his simbolum fidei Iudeorum printed at Paris Anno 1569. fol. 26. b 27 a 22 b exprâ—ssâ—th a prescript forme of praier for the dead like testimonie therof is giuen by Ioannes Isaac in institutionibus linguae haebricae impressis Coloniae 1553 And by Antonius Margarita a late conuerted Iewe in his booke entituled vniuersi Iudaeorum fides Praier for the dead a thing not denied but plainelie confessed by Mr. (*) Whitaker contra Dureum lib. 1 pag. 85 antemed saith Scio enim Iudae is esse libros memoriales quos in Sinagogis suis legunt eosque nunc precibus quibusdam pro mortuis vti solere non ignoro Whitaker 2 Secondlye concerning Limbus Patrum the booke entituled Ecclesiasticus though we should for the time suppose it not to be Canonicall Scripture yet was it Collected or penned before Christs time and by such an Author as then before (z) In the prologue of the booke of ecclesiasticus ante med had giuen him selfe to the reading of the Lawe and the Prophets and other bâ—okes of their Fathers and had gotten therein sufficient knowledge In this booke is our Sauiours discending in to that place specially foretoulde vs where it is said in his person (a) Ecclesiasticus 24 37. I will pearce through the lower partes of the earth I will looke vpon all such as bee a sleepe and will lighten all them that trust in the Lord a saying so direct (*) This pearcing thing the lower partes of the earth to lighten those that were there a sleepe and trâ—sted in the Lord argueth plainely that those faithfull so a sleepe or dead were not theÌ„ in Heauen for by the lower partes of the eâ—â—th cannot be ment heauen and pertinent that Master VVHITAKER seeketh to euade by these two only waies as first in answering that (b) Whitaker contra Dureum l. 8 pag. 567 postmed these wordes are wanting in the Greeke Coppie Seâ—ondly this being notoriously false (c) â—alse for the English Bible to omit others of Anno 1576 purporting by the title on the first page thereof to bee translated according to the Hâ—brue and Greeke hath these wordes translated accordingly he finally and only reposeth him selfe in answeringe that (d) Whitaker contra Dureum l. 8 pag. 567 post med saith Nec libri huius authoritateÌ„ canonicam agnosco his fundamentis limbum immixum reuera est necesse the booke is not Canonicall and so acknowledging the plaine meaning of the wordes reiecteth their authoritie So euidently doth this author make with the Doctâ—ine of Limbus Patrum In like maner Rabbenuâ— Haccados who liued
slaundred me to the contrarie And yet is he commended by Mr. Foxe to dye as (8) Act. mon. page 598 b. post med a valiant Souldier and Captaine of Christ as also the Church vnder the raigne of King Henry the .8 is by Mr. Fulke affirmed to be a true (9) Mr. Fulke against Heskines Sanders c. pag. 564. sect 80. 82. Churâ—h and the King him selfe acknowleged in like manner for (10) Fulke vbi supra sect 82 and see D. Humfrey in Iesuitismi part 2. rat 3 page 304 circa med a member of the Catholiâ—ke Church of Christ In like sorte (11) Osiander cent 12. pag. 309 post med S. Bernard liued some 400 yeares since as Mr. Iewell confesseth euen (12) Iewell in his defence of the Apologie printed 1571. page 557. paulo ante med and see Whitaker contra Duraeum l. 2 page 154 ante med in the middest of the Pope rouâ—e and tyrany And as we do not finde that he was then troublede or gainesaid so much as in an one article diffe eÌ„t f om the doctrine of the Romane Church of that timâ— so we find confessed to the contrarie that he acknowleged euen (13) Bernard l. 2 de considerat ad EugeniuÌ„ vide epist 125. 131 ep 190 ad InnocentiuÌ„ and see this confessed by mr Fulke against the Rhemishe Testament in Luc. 22. sect 11. fol. 133. b. post initium and by Mr. Whitaker l. 2. contra Duraeum pag. 154. ante med the Popes Supremacie was so conformable to the doctrine of the Romane Church that he was made (14) Osiander in epitoÌ„ c. cent 12. page 309. and Symon de voyon in his catalog c. pag. 926 Abbot of Claireuaux being also (15) Osiander vbi supra page 309. fine saith Centum quadraginta Monasteriorum author fuisse creditur and Danaeus in primae partis altera parte contra Bellarminum page 940. saith Hieronimus Bernardus fuerunt monachi istius erroris authotes fautores author of many monasteries In so much as our aduersaries alledging him to vs do call him Sanctus vester (16) Gomarus in speculo ecclesiae pag. 23. fine our S. and (17) Whitaker in respons ad rat Campiani rat 7. pa. 105. ante med saith Bernardus ecclesia vestra multis annis vnum tulit pium virum a man brought forth by our Church who in regard of Christian communion was deerely (18) Osiander Centuria 12. page 305 post med familiar to Malachias whom our aduersaries reiecte for a confessed (19) Osiander ibid. See his wordes heretofore sect 5. in the margent at the figure 3. initio Catholicke or papist And yet this his knowne religion notwithstanding our aduersaries do acknowledge him for (20) Whitaker de ecclesia page 369 paulo post med saith Ego quidem Bernardum vere fuisse Sanctum existimo And see thee like in Whitaker against mr William Rainoldes page 125 126 a true Sainte (21) Osiander Cent. 12. page 309 post med a very good man (22) See this in Pasquils returne into England page 8. 13. a good Father one of the lampes of the Church of God In like maner S. Bede who liued about 900 yeeres since was so euidently of our religion that our aduersary Osiander therfore saith of him (23) Osiander in epitom c. cent 8. l. 2. c. 3. pag. 58. initio Beda was wrapped in all the popish errors wherin we at this day dissent from the Pope for he admired and imbraced the worshippe of Images the popish Masse inuocation of Saintes c. which thing appeareth also yet more vndoubtedly to omitt his euident writinges by his (24) See mr Foxe act monu printed 1576. p. 128. 129 confessed credite and estimation had with the Popes of that age and yet is he all this notwithstanding acknowleged by our aduersaries to haue bene (25) Osiander cent 8. p. 58. ante med a good man (26) mr Couper in his Chronicle at the yere of our Lord 734. fol. 171 b. renowned in all the world for his learning godly life for which he was also priuileged with the surname of (27) Of this title see Hollensheds Chronicle at the yeere 735. and mr Couper in his Chronicle at the yeere 724. fol. 168. b. and mr Foxe act mon. printed 1576. pag. 128. b. vide 129. a. Oecolampadius in libro epistolarum Zuinglij Oecolampadij p. 654 post med Reuerend and by D. Humfrey specially registred among (28) Humfredus in Iesuitismi part 2. rat 3. p. 326. initio the godly men raised vp by the holy Ghost Hitherto also appertaineth the like examples of Gregory and Austine both of them heretofore acknowleged for (29) hereof see heretofore tract 1. sect 1 d. 2. 3. e confessed popish Catholickes and yet th' one of them called by our aduersaries (30) hereof see before in this section at d. That Blessed and holy Father S. Grego the other (31) before in this section at b.c. S. Austine our Apostle where-vnto to omitte others might be added the foremencioned example of your HIGHNES Dearest Mother whose vndoubted Saluation her knowne religion notwithstanding was euen in that oposition of time by the learned aduesarie as before (32) before in this section at z. publickly acknowledged What now can our aduersaries answere vnto these confessed examples Is there (33) Iames. 1 17. with God variablenes or (34) Ephes 6 9. deutro 10 17. Rom. 2 11 1. Peter 1.17 any acception of persons or is he (35) Numer 23 19. as the sonne of man that he should change so as one and the same religion which was before in them holy should now be in vs damnable And thus much breifly concerning certaine vndoubted examples of this kinde 3 Thirdly to make this point more euident as yet by the like answerable practise of almost all Protestant reformed Churches Whereas they hould that (p) In the propositions and principles disputed in the vniuersitie of Geneua page 166. sect 25. the Sacraments are only to be administred to those that are taken for knowne members of the Church Which no man can be with-out faith because that (q) Hebr. 11 6. without faith it is impossible to please God For which cause they teach concerning Infants who in their opinion haue not (r) That children haue not faith is affirmed by master Carth write in mr Whitgifts defence pa. 611. And in the propositioÌ„s principls disputed in the vniuersitie of Geneua p. 178. sect 4. by Iacob Kimedoncius in his redemption of mankind l. 2. c 15. page 164 fine and by mr Whitaker contra Dureum lib. 8 pag. 682. faith which as the scriptures witnes (s) Rom. 10 17. commeth by hearing which Infants cannot accomplish that (t) So saye the Deuines of Geneua in the foresaid propositions and principles disputed page 178. sect
sacrament was vsed long before the time of Honorius the third So also it is as euident and confessed by Protestantes and namely by Mr. Foxe act mon. pag. 896. b. fine and after the aedition of Anno 1596. pag. 1276. a. line 14. that if this Honorius did not beginne the same the first beginning thereof is then so sarr from being found that we cannot saith Mr. Foxe finde it to come in by any other Add but now here-vnto the aunswerable testimonies of Austine in Psalm 98. of Ambrose de spiritu Sancto l. 3. c. 12. of Theodoret dial 2. of Chrisostome in 1. cor hom 24. of Basill de spiritu Sancto cap. 27. of Nazianzen in Epitaph Gorgoniae and of Dionisius Areopagita de Eccles Hierach c. 3. which are so plaine and agreeable with our externall adoration of Christ in the Sacrament that our aduersariâ— Chemnitius doth for such alleadge sondry of them against our aduersaries the sacramentaries in his examen Concil Trident part 2. p. 92. adoring the sacrament for God much more in so many other pointes of faith haue bene so brought and devulged into so many Christian Nations nere and remote and not once testified or remembred so much as by any one of the Churches enimies neither hereticall nor prophane were the Churches owne pastors her home enimies and strangers to her Religion all of them silent herein THAT CATHOLICKES ARE ABLE TO proue the contrary euen by Testimonie of the learned Protestants § 8 AND although the proofe of the ROMANE Churches supposed change of her religion lying on our aduersaries part and hitherto wanting might be matter in this behalfe sufficient to offer vnto your HIGHNES learned Iudgment yet will we our selues in surplusage exhibit futher demonstratioÌ„ of her not change in any needefull article of faith by manifest testimonie from our learned aduersaries First then it is heretofore fully proued by euident confession of the learned Protestants aswell in generall (a) This is fullie confessed heretofore Tract 1. Sect 1 paulo post initium and Mr. Fulke in his answere to a counterfaite Catholicke pag. 36. initio affirmeth also that the religion of the Papists came in and preuailed in the yeare of our Lord 607. as also concerning euery point of faith in perticuler (b) This is hertofore proued Tract 1. Sect. 1. in the margent at the letter d. that in the time of Gregorie the great Bishope of Rome the Romane Church professed our now Catholicke or as they terme it Popishe faith and that shee hath perseuered in profession thereof euer since that time is confessed likewise by our aduersaries and made so euident by all histories as that to vndertake further proofe thereof were tediousnes both (c) Confessed hertofore tract 1. sect 2. in the margent at the letter l. and also at this marke * And Mr. Fulke in his aunswere to a counterfaite Catholicke pag. 27. circa med speaking of Boniface the third who was Bishope of Rome the 2 yeare after the death of Gregorie the greate teste Anastasio l. de vitio Pontificum saith the Popes from Boniface the 3. were all blasphemous haeretickes Antichristes And he affirmeth the same in his confutation of Purgatorie pag. 344. post med And he likewise affirmeth Boniface the third to be Antichrist and that vnder him The Papistes religion preuailed in his foresaid aunswere to a Counterfaite Catholicke pag. 36. and in his confutation of Purgatorie pa. 194. paulo post med vide Whitakerum l. de Ecclesia pa. 260. fine 261. improper and needelesse This (d) This is manifestly affirmed and collected from the Ecclesiasticall writers of euery age and by our aduersaries the Centurie writers in euery of their seuerall Centuries Gregorie liued somwhat within the first 600. yeares after Christ so that hauing now hereby already proued the continued profession of the Romane Church in our now taught Catholicke faith for all these last thousand yeares The only difficultie and doubt least to be examined is whether that shee did make change of her faith during these other foresaid first 600 yeares next after Christ This being the maine pointe or issue of this present controuersie we will now first examine for how many hundreth yeares next after Christ the Church of Rome is confessed to haue perseuered with-out reuolt or chang in the faith first to her deliuered In discouery whereof whereas our writers do obiect how that Tertullian prouoked the heretickes of his time with the succession of the Romane Bishopes Mr. D. Fulke aunswering thereto affirmeth the reason thereof to be for that saith he (e) Mr. Fulke in his confutation of Purgatory p. 374. post med The Church of Rome reteined by succession vntill Tertullians dayes that faith which it did first receaue of the Apostles With whome agreeth herein Mr. D. Whitaker (f) Whitaker de Ecclesia pa. 278. post med speaking of certaine Apostolicke Churches emongst them of Rome by name saith vnde intelligimus cur ad illas Ecclesias prouocaret Tertullianus nimirum quia tum DoctrinaÌ„ Apostolicam perpetua successione tenebant and Hierome (*) Zanchius de vera relig p. 148. circa med Zanchius and where one of our writers vrgeth (g) In Mr. Fulkes confutation of purga p. 372. ante med the succession of the Romane Bishopes by example of Ireneus Ciprian Tertullian Optatus Hierome Austine and Vincentius Lirinensis Mr. Fulke aunswereth thereto saying (h) Ibidem p. 373. paulo ante med that these men specially named the Church of Rome It was because the Church of Rome at that time as it was founded by the Apostles so it continued in the Doctrine of the Apostles And Mr. D. Rainoldes being prouoked in the same kinde acknowledgeth in like manner that (i) Mr. D. Rainoldes in his confereÌ„ce with M. Harte pa. 442. post med the succesâ—ion of the Romane Bishopes was a proofe of the true faith in the time of Austine Epiphanius Optatus Tertullian and Ireneus c. And the like acknowledgment or aunswere thereto is made by many other (k) Ridley in Mr. Foxe actes and Monuments p. 1359. b. circa med saith The Patriarche of Rome in the Apostles time longe after was a greate maintainer setter forth of Christs glory in the which aboue all other Countries and Regions was Preached the true ghospell the sacraments were most duly administred c. After the Emperors became Christians the ghospell there florished most And Mr. Iuell in his reply to M. Harding pa. 246. ante med saith Aswell S. Austine as also other godly fathers right lie yeelded reuerence to the sea of Rome c. For the puritie of religion which was there preserued a longe time without spoâ— And pag. 628. paulo post med he further saith the godly Fathers of those fore saide times sought to the Church of Rome which then for puritie in religion and constancie in the same was most famouse aboue all others learned Protestants only we will
Albines page 64 prope finem And by Simon de voyon in his discource vpon the Catallog of the Doctors of Gods Church in the table numer 11. Alcuinus Archbishoppe of Canterburie and scoller to S. Bede for his onely opinion vntruely pretended against the Reall presence the contrarie wherof is by his owne writings more then (i) Alcuinus in lib. de diuinis officijs c. de Missa saith Consulens Deus infirmitati nostâ—ae qui non solemus carnes crudas manducare sanguinem bibere facit vt in pristina remaneant forma duo illa munera est in veritate corpus Christi sanguis euident So likewise do they name (k( Doctor Humfrey in Iesuitismi part 2. rat 3. page 326. initio And Simon devoyon vbi supra in the table numer 107. and claime S. Bede him selfe whom others of them do more truely and plainely reiect for a confessed Papist euen (l) Luke Osiander in epitom cent 8. page 58. initio see this heretofore tract 1. sect 1. in the margent at the letter g. in all those articles wherin Protestants do at this day distent from the Pope In like manner Peter Lumberd master of the sentences is by them sorted (m) Symon Pauli in method aliquot locorum doctrin c. tradit Rostochij fol. 12. b. in the Catallog of the Doctors and restorers of the heauenly doctrine and (n) Symon Pauli ibid. fol. 15 b. and Hiperius in method theolog in praefat page 1. fine 2. citâ—a post medium placed euen with Husse and Luther who was so euidently a knowne Catholicke that Mr. Foxe therfore termeth him (o) Actes and monuments page 41. b. circa medium an Archpiller of papistrie We coulde giue like example (*) Mr. Gifforde in his sermons vpon the reuelations page 195. post medium giueth instance in Ioannes Picus Earle of Mirandula And Simon de Voyon in his discource vpon the Catallogue c. page 126. post medium nameth S. Bernard And Mr. Foxe in his Callender placed in the begining of his actes and monuments placeth Erasmus and Picus Mirandula and yet Erasmus in whoÌ„ they do more pretend doth in lib. 16. ep 11. excuse him selfe briefly and fully to the contrarie saying Christum agnosco Lutherum non agnosco Ecclesiam Romanam agnosco of S. Bernard Erasmus Picus Mirandula sondry other knowne Catholicke writers whom our aduersaries do in like maner most iniustly claime to be of their Church And as with Catholickes so likewise in this exigeme of need are they constrained to make like claime to (p) Mr. Foxe actes monu page 70. a. ante medi. Almericus the (q) Like claime is made to the Albigenses by mr Sparke against mr Iohn d' Albines page 58. ante medium by mr Fulke contra Stapletonum de successione Ecclesiae page 112. 271 initio And by Chrispinus in his booke of the estate of the Church page 350 ante medium But see plaine testimonie of the execrable errors of the Albigenses in Osiander Centur. 13. page 329. And in Cesarius Cistert 5. dist dial and Luxemb haer Albig See also hereafter tract 2. c. 2 sect 3. in the margent at the figure 2. Albigenses and sondry other (*) Of like claime made to Peter Bruis and the Henricianes or Apostolici see Catallog testium veritatis printed Anno 1597. tom 2. page 561 562. confessed and knowne heretickes In diuers of whom Mr. Iewell to omitt others (¶) See these other Protestants so disclaiming hereafter tract 2. c. 2. sect 3. in the margent at the letter .o. is enforced to disclaime saying expresly of them (r) Mr. Iewell in his defence of the Apologie page 48. And see certaine of Almaricus his confessed errors mencioned hereafter tract 2. cap. 2. sect 3. in the margent at the letter o. And by Chrispinus in his booke of the estate of the Church page 349 post medium And see also thereof Cesarius lib. dial d. 5. and Gaguinus lib. 6. franc and Gerson trâ—ct 3. in Matt. and Paulus Amilus l. 6. hist Galliae and Genebrardus in Chron. Anno 1208. they are none of ours In examinatioÌ„ therfore of these such other like knowne impertineÌ„t exaÌ„ples we will not be so Idly tedious as to trouble your Maiestie but will make triall of those in whom our aduersaries haue greatest confidence as namely Waldo Wicliffâ— and Husse and in their seuerall followers and see if that these can vpholde the Protestant Churches administration of the word and Sacramentes but so much as for those seuerall ages in which they liued in whom if our aduersaries doe faile then remaine they for any hope to be had of the other no lesse then desperate THAT VVALDO WHO LIVED ANNO Domini 1220. was no Protestant and that therefore the examples of Waldo and his followers is not sufficient to proue but so much as for their times a continuance of the Protestants Churches administration of the Word and Sacraments SECT 3. TO beginne then with Waldo the Protestants admâ—nâ—stration of the worde and sacraments is so litle proued by his example to haue bene but so much as in beinge imediatlye befo e and at the time of his first appearing that in clâ—re prooffe to the contrarie he as Mr. Foxe testifieth was then a Catholiâ—ke lay-man (s) Act. mon. page 628. b. circa med a rich marchant of Lyâ—nâ— and so (t) act mon. pag. 628 b. paulo post medium vnlearned that he gaue rewardes to certaine learned men to translate the holy Scriptures for him and certaine other workes of the Doctors and being thus holpen did as Mr. Foxe reporteth (v) act mon. vbi supra conferr the forme of religion in his time to the infallible worde of God where vpon saith Mr. Foxe (x) act mon. page 41. b. paulo ante medium sprong vp the Doctrine name of tâ—ose which are called Waldenses (y) act mon. p. 628. b. ante medium or as he saith page 41. b. circa med About Anno. 1160. Anno 1218. 2 Seacondlie he had no ordinarie vocation or calling by man for our Catholicke Church condemned him and his proceedings and therfore would not call him and as for any other Church then being of his profession to call him there was none (¶) See herafter tract 2. c. 2. sect 3. at this marke ¶ at that time so much as but in being or knowne to him For which cause he and his followers contemned all calling teaching that (*) Illiricus in Catal. testium page 730. 731. 732. 740. 745. And Osiander in epitom histor eccles cent 9.10.11 c page 287 fine 440 Laye men and woemen might Consecrate the sacraments and Preach And as for any pretence of extraordina ie calling by God which euerie sectmaster may aâ—rogate euen as by the Protestants grauer assertion it had euermore when it was in vse (z) Amandus Polanus in partition theolog l. 1. p. 308 saith
made much more euident by example of the foresaide Albigenses whose execrable errors are specially acknowledged and (2) Osiander in centur 13. l. 1. c. 4. page 329. initio saith Exorta est haeresis Albigentium c. Dogmata haec illis attribuuntur duo esse principia Deum viz. bonum Deum malum hoc est Diabulum qui omnia corpora creet bonum autem Deum creare animâ—s c. Baptismum abijciunt ire in Ecclesias vel in eis orare nihil prodesse c. Matrimonia damnabant promiscuos concubitus eosque nefarios sanctos ducebat Corporum resurrectioneÌ„ negant c. Quod Christus non fuerit verus homo nec verè comederit c. And a little after there he further saith Hae propositiones cum sint absurdae impiae hereticae c. Cum Albigenses admonitiones non admitterent sed in erroribus sceleribus persisterent Adhortante Pontifice Romano magistratus polliticus collecto exercitu duabus vicibus aliquot millia Albigensium truâ—â—darunt multi etiam Capitibus truncati cremati leguntur qui hinc inde sunt deprehensi fuit enim Albigensis furor Anabaptisticus qualis Anno 1534. nostro seculo Anabaptistarum monasterientium erat See also further hereof the centurie writers of Magdeburg centur 13. c. 5. and mr Marbecks common places page 22. may now mr Foxe and Chrispinus alledge these thousands thus slaine in their Catallogue of Protestant Martirs reported by sundry Protestant writers and they theâ—eupon reiected for confessed (*) Mr. Iewell in his defence of the Apologie page 48. disclaimeth in the Albigenses and others there named saying expresly of them they be none of ours and Osiander cent 13. page 329. saith as is before alledged that their opinions were absurd wicked and hereticall that they admitted no admonition but persisted in their errors and wickednes and calleth them yet further an anabaptisticall furie And Pantaleon in chronographia page 98. numbreth them amongst Heretickes And so likewise doth Mr. Marbecke in his common places page 22. Heretickes Now these Albigenses liued in the same time with the Walâ—eâ—sâ— and were as Mr. Fulke and other Protestant writers do acknowledge (3) Mr. Fulke de successione ecclesiastica contra Stapletonum page 332. ante medium saith of the Waldenses Iam dixi a Papistarum vulgo nomen hoc iâ—lis inditum vt aliás dicti sunt pauperes de Lugduno Leonistae Albigenses quicquid placuit Antichristi Scurris And ibid. page 333. circa med he saith Quae Antoninus etiam Matheus paris de Albingensibus quos eosdem esse cum Waldensibus illa Archiepiscoparum epistola probat c. vide ibid. page 359. post medi. And Mr. Sparke in his answere to mr Iohn d'Albines page 58. saith to Albines concerning the Waldenses your frendes call them Waldenses Albigenses pauperes de Lugduno c. changing their titles and names according to the diuersitie of places and times they liued in howsoeuer their religion was all one of the same secte with thâ—m bâ—ing therfore by him and others challenged (¶) Hereof see heretofore tract 2. c. 2. sect 2. in the margent at the letter q. as members of the Protestants Church and called Albigenses onely of the countrey (4) Mr. Sparke vt supra and Simon de Voyon in his defence vpon the Catall of the Doctors of Gods Church page 138. initio saith they inhabited the CouÌ„trie about Tholouse Albi. in which that company remained as in like resemblaÌ„ce the Hugonottes of France and Puritanes of Scotland and England professe to be of one religion notwithstanding the diuersitie of name wherby they be diuersly called or knowne in those seâ—erall countries Hereunto we could in further explanacion of this point also add the sundry confessed and knowne doctrines rebellions of the Waldenses of latter times condemned by Protestants and testified by Melancthon (q) Melancthon in concil theologic part 2. pag 152. ante med in an epistle to a frend of his who ministred the Communion to Infants saith Gaudeo te de summa doctrinae nobiscum sentire Waldenses scio dissimiles esse quidem nimis morosé defendant quaedaÌ„ de quibus aliquaÌ„do cuÌ„ eisrixatus sum quidaÌ„ nolunt absolue re Lapsos qui ad poeniteÌ„tiam redeunt negant coniugium suis Sacerdotibus and other Protestant (r) Benedict Morgenstern in tract de ecclesia page 79. paulo post med saith Diâ—i autem possunt noui Waldenses ex seipsis nati vel participantes quia partem capiunt a Papistis partem a Sacramentarijs partem meliorem a Lutheranis vel fratres quo nomine valde gaudent sed falsi vel certé ignorantiae quia lucem doctrinae diuinitus accensam hoc saeculo supercilio se neglexeruÌ„t errores crassissimos etiaÌ„ ab ipso Luthero An. 1523 monstratos c. clam scriptis apud suos mordicus defenderunt id quod demuÌ„ post obitum Lutheri innotuisse D. D. Ioannes Hedericus scribit c. And ibid. pa. 124. he saith to them Antichristi institutum de numero sacramentorum confirmatis licet id quidem saepius in alijs articulis fecistis vt in doctrina de celibatu votis sacra scriptura bonis operibus Iustificatione Baptismo paruulorum nec non de Purgatorio Et vide ibid. pag. 154. 226. fine See Seluecerus his testimonie of the Waldenses false doctrines and grosse errors not to be suffered And in the booke de Russorum Muscouitarum Tartarorum religionis pag. 96 Lascitius a Protestant writer affirmeth the calling of their Clergie to be by casting of lottes Persuasi Deum moderatorem sortis futurum writers euen after that they were altred (s) Laconici Antisturmij Spongia aduersus Lamberti Danaei Antiosiandrum pag. 35. initio mencioneth their being altred by Luther in many things by Luthers instruction Vpon which premisses concerning Waldo and his folowers for so much as it is made euident therby 1 First that imediately before his first appeaâ—ing he was a Catholicke and not member of any other Church to him then knowne or in being a matter furthermore so manifest that the Protestant writers do therfore affirme his first proceeding to haue bene in time of (¶) Crispinus in his discource of the estate of the Chucch page 338. paulo post medium thicke darkenes and as a first and litle beginiâ—g of the instauration of the Christian religion 2 Secondly that he was then also but a lay man and so wanted calling 3 Thirdly that his opinion concerning Iustification and sundry other pointes of faith were Catholicke 4 Fourthly and lastly that he and his followers held sondry grosse and damnable errors We do humblie as now submitt to your MAIESTIES learned iudgement whether that Protestants may alledge this example of the Waldenses as sufficient to continue and vphould the administration of their Churches Word and Sacraments But so much as at and since that foresaid time
further affirmed by D. Fulke in the tower disput with Edm. Camp the 2. daies coÌ„fâ—rence And â—lso by the confessions of Belgia in the Harmonie of confessions pâ—g 321. and by the confâ—ssion of Hâ—luetia ibidem pag. 306. And by the confâ—ssion of Saxonie ibidem pag. 324. and 325. 473. in so much as the Divines of Witenberge in Colloquio Badensi apud Osiandrum in epitom c. ceÌ„tur 16. pag. 1064. ante med say Ecclesiam inde ab asceÌ„sione vsque ad hac tempora nunquaÌ„ interruptam sed perpetua suâ—cessione in terris per mansisse firmiter credimus And ibidem pag. 1065. pâ—st med It is saidâ— Contra omnes furores Satanae Ecclesia vera in terris vsque ad adventum Christi ad extremum iudicium est mansura all opinions must evermore continue without faâ—ling or ceassing to be not so much as for any one moment of time that the more sobeâ— and learned Protestants whom headstrong and inconsiderate zeale hath not altogether bâ—inded do therefore in preventioÌ„ thereof and for preservation of themselues make in these straits our Catholike Church as it were their (s) Numeri 35 11. Cittie of refuge acknowledging to that end that the true Church imediately before Luthers time had it being in our Catholicke Church that accordingly like as Luther himselfe before his preaching against the Pope was an (t) Sâ—eâ—dan lib. 1. initio Augustine Freâ—r and as himselfe saith (u) Luther in his Commentarie vpon the Epistle to the Galathians Englished fol. 35. b. circa mâ—diâ—m kepte chastitie pouertie and obediâ—nce was onely giuen to fasting watching praying saying of Masse and such like and (x) Luther ibidem fol. 35. a. circa medium hoâ—oâ—ed the Pope of meere coÌ„scieÌ„ce c. was so therby most vndoubtedly a professed meÌ„ber of our Catholike or as they te me it popish Church So likewise vpon his pretended reformatiâ—n or preaching afterwards against the Pope he did not say they thereby (y) M. D. Couel in his defence of M. Hooker Art 11. pag. 73. post med sayeth As it is strange for any man to deny them of Rome to be of the Church S. I caÌ„not but woÌ„der that they of Rome will aske where our Church was before Luther as if any were of opinioÌ„ that Luther did erect a nâ—we Church c. And see the like saying in M Hooker in his Ecclesiasticall â—olicie lib. 3. pag. 129. post med erect a new Church theÌ„ befoâ—e not in being for that were most directly against themselues and therefore dâ— nâ—t depaâ—t from the Church he waâ— of beâ—ore but continued still a membeâ— thereof whi h th ng both in Hâ—â—kâ— and M. D Couâ— speaking theâ—eof doe verye plainely (z) M. Hooker lib. 3. pag. 130. and M. D. Couel in his defence of M. Hooker pag. 68. say Wee gladly acknowledge them of Rome to bee of the familie of Iesus Christ therefore we hope that to reforme our selues is not to sever our selves fâ—oÌ„â—he Church we were before n the Chur h wee were and are so still as also vvee say that they of Rome notwâ—thstaÌ„ding their manifo d def ct are to bee helde a parte of the house of God a lymme of the visible Church of Christ acknowledge to the great dislike of the ( ) In the Christian lettâ—r of certain English Pâ—otâ—stâ—nts vnto that revâ—â—eÌ„d man M R Hooker pag. 1â— 19. they doe reproue at large M. Hook for this opinioÌ„ of not severing theÌ„selues fâ—oÌ„ the Church they were of bâ—fore Puritâ—ins As also M. Bunmâ— prosecuteth the same more at large affirming therefore (b) M Bâ—nny in his treatiâ—e tending to Pacification pag. â—0â— Paulo post Medium That of departing fâ—â— in the Church there ought to be â—o quâ—stion at all amonâ—est vs (c) Ibidem pag. 113. post mâ—dium wee are saith he no severall Church from them nor they fâ—oâ— vs therf re there is no departing at all out of the Church f r aâ—y to deparâ— from them to vs nor from vs â—o them all the difference betweene vs is concerning the truer members whether we or thâ—y may bâ— fâ—und more wâ—râ—hie of that accompt as f r thâ— other we allâ—w no su h question in so much as hee doubteth nâ—t to say (d) Ibidem pâ—g 109. circa medium It waâ— evill done of them who fâ—rst vâ—ged â—uch a â—eparatiâ—â— coÌ„fessâ—ng further our g eat (e) Ibidem pag. 92 circa medium he saithe of his seperation our aduersaries see themselues to hâ—â— advantage if they can winne vs to acknowledge it advantag giuen thereby whiâ—h our advantage he afterw rds very plaâ—nelâ— to this purpose expresseth to be (f) Ibidem pag. 96. câ—rca mâ—dium for that saith he it is great prâ—babilitie wiâ—h theÌ„ that 〈◊〉 we make ou s lâ—es a swerable â—or to find out a distinct and s uerall Churâ—h from them which continued from â—he Apo l s â—gâ— tâ— this pâ—eâ—nâ— â—lso that â—ele we must acknowledge that our Church is strâ—g vpon late or since theirs And heÌ„ce it commeth that M. Hâ—ler and M. D. Couel do (g) M. Hooker in his Ecclesiasticall Policie l. 3. sect 1. pâ—g 130. ante medium l. 5. pag. 188. initiâ— and M. D. Couel in his defence of M. Hooker pag. 68. acknowlâ—â—gâ— the Church of Rome tâ— beâ— of the samiâ—ie oâ— Iâ—sus Châ—â—st a paâ—te f the hâ—use of God a Lymme of â—hâ— viâ—â—blâ— Church of Christ that M. D. Barâ— sâ—ith (h) In his ormer sermons aâ—d two questions c. serm 3. pag. 448. fine the learnedder writâ—rs acknowleâ—ge the Chuâ—ch of Rome to bee thâ— Church of God that M. D Sâ—me saith (i) M. D. Some in his defence against M. Penrie c cap. 23. fine pag. 182. initio in the iudgement oâ— all learned men all reformed Church s there is in Popery a Chuâ—ch that another late Englishe Protestant wryter sayth (*) See the discourse vpoÌ„ the meanes of wâ—l governing c. against Nicholas Matchiuell Printed at London 1602. pag. 80. post med the Catholicke and r formed make not two but one same r ligion (â‹) IbideÌ„ pag. 83 Paulo post med 85. prope finem agreeing in all principall points â—f relâ—gion â—ecessarie for our saluatioâ— that also George Cassâ—lâ—r though disliking (k) Cassâ—der in libro de officâ—o Pij viri c. pag. 14. ante medium 15. initio the Pope and a knowledged for (¶) Dauid Pareus in his booke de Symbolis Sacramentatibus c. in praefat ante medium saith C ssader â—rditius scriptor c. a learned writer saith (l) Cassander ibidem pag. 14. post medium and in defence of his opinion hâ—e alledgeth Luther ibid. pag. 14. fine pag. 21 22. the Châ—râ—h of Rome is to bee reuerenced as beiâ—g the true Church and Templâ— of God and that a late d sguised French Protestant writer affirmeth (m) Examen Pacifique de la doctrine de
paulo ante medium By Haukes Act. Mon. pag. 1150. b. initio and 1151. a. circa medium By Melancthon in concilijs theologicis pag. 628. By Peter Martyr in his discourse hereof recited in Melancthons foresaid treatise of Consil theolog pag. 634. 635. By Martine Bucer alledged ibidem pag. 632. and 633. and 634. By Iohn Caluine alledged ibidem pag. 635. fine and 636. and by the Divines of Germanie alledged by Sleydane in his Comentaries Englished lib. 7. fol. 87. a. circa medium writers is neverthelesse iudged in vs a kind of froward and superfluous remorse and accordingly taxed with a confiscation or waist of our goods and yearely revenue wherevnto might be added our sundry other losses contumelies imprisonments and publike disgraces heretofore susteined whereat though we doe all mourning plaine yet complaine we will not THE PROTESTANTS OBIECTION OF Catholickes disloyaltie retorted vpon themselues SECT 2. AND for somuch as sundry of our vncharitable aduersaries who are nothing moued with our foresaid calamities do out of their inueterate and implacable hatred daily seeke to auert from vs your HIGHNES most gratious and Princely dispositioÌ„ inclined otherwise to commiserat all such as are afflicted and do therefore to make vs more odious often inculcate the doctrine wherewith certaine our writers are charged concerning the Popes vndertaking in some cases to despose Princes pretending with all what greate danger may at last hence ensue when by reason of your Maiesties mercie in the meane time to vs exteÌ„ded our estats shall be bettered number increased Vouchsafeth your HIGHNES before we enter into petition for our selues graciously to weigh with equall consideration that which herevnto wee shall alledge aswell coÌ„cerning our adversaries who thus charge vs as in answere for our selues that are so charged First then concerning our aduersaries wee say that they in their thus vrging or but remembring of this point against vs doe of all others shewe themselues most indiscreetely malicious for quis tulerit grachum de seditione loquentem c. or how can it be decorum in any to charge others with imputation of that wherin themselues are further chargeable And although we for our partes doe altogether dislike all acerbitie and gall of in vectiue writing being yet thus provoked to such iust and necessarie recrimination as our owne defence and safetie requireth we say from theÌ„selues as followeth 1 First concerning the Lutheranes doth not Sleydane Luthers owne Scholler make full reporte of the seditious doctrine of the Divines of Magdenburge maintaining and publiquelie (d) In Sleydane in English hist l. 22. fol. 345. a circa medium the Divines of Magdenburg thus teach thereof If it so fortune that the Magistrate passe the boundes of his authority and commaund any thing that is wicked c. If hee attempte any force he should be resâ—sted c. and seeing the case standeth tâ—us there can no rebellion of right be obiected vnto vs. And ibideÌ„ fol. 345. b. initio It is further said The Minâ—sters of the Church set forth a writing wherein they recite the confession of their Doctrine and declare how it is lawfull for the inferior Magistrate to defend himselfe against the the superior compelling him to forsake the truth teaching in defence of their rebellion that in case of religion it was lawful for subiects even with force to resist the Prinâ—e doth not Chitraeus a learned Lutheraine (e) Chitraeus in Chronic. Anno 1593. 1594. pag. 74. fine and 75. saith hereof tandem rex flecti se sibique persuadere passus est vt assentiretur se religionem cultum Dei in verbo Dei Augustana confessione comprehensum c. solam in regno conseruare ac tueri nec templa in vrbibus vlla alteri quam Augustinae confessionis reliâ—ioni destinare velle nec aditum in senatum regni vel ad vlla râ—gni officia publica alijs quam Augustinae confessionis doctrinam retinentibus concedi debere regem veâ—o ipâ—um ad suae religionis Pontificiae exercitium sacellis arrium in quibus habitabit contentum fore c. repo t how the King of Suethland being a Catholike was by hiâ— subiects the Lutheraines vrged to asseÌ„t to the deâ—ree that no Catholike should beare any ofâ—ice in that kingdome and that the King should content himselfe with his Catholike service to be Celebrated only in his own private Chappell was not the force attempted by the Germaines (*) Of the Germaines insurrection against their Emperour see further hereafter in this tract in the margent at the figure 4. against theiâ— Emperour in defence of their Lutherane religion so publiquelâ— mâ—de knowne to the world with lamentable effusâ—on of much Christian blood throughout Germany as that the same is muâ—h more wortâ—ie oâ— pittie tâ—en remeâ—bran e Seâ—oâ—dlâ— concerning tâ—e Calâ—inisteâ— doth not Caluine him selfe teach hereof that (f) Calvine in Dan. c. b. vers 22.25 saith abdicaâ—t se potestate terreni Principes dum insurgunt contra Deum immo indigni sunt quicenscantur in hominuÌ„ numero potius ergo conspuere oportet in illoruÌ„ capita quaÌ„ illis parere c. earâ—hly Prinâ—es doe beâ—eaue hâ—m selue oâ— authâ—ritie when they erect thems lues against God yea that they are vnworthie to bâ— accompted in the number of men and therefore we must rather spitt vpon their faces then obeie them c. doth not Sâ—inglius likewise say (g) Suinglius lib. 4. epistolarum Suinglij oecolampad epist Cunhardo Somio Symperto c. pag. 868. post medium pag. 869. saith Promittendum est Caesari officium debitum si modo fidem nobis permittat illibatam c. Romanum Imperium imò quodque Imperium vbi religionem sinceram opprimere ceperit nos illud negligentes patimur iam negatae aut contemptae religionis non minus rei erimus quam illi ipsi oppressores exemplum est apud Hieremiam 15. vbi exterminium cominatur Deus Israeli quod Manastem permisissent impunè esse pessimum due lâ—ialâ—ie is to be promised to Cesâ—r iâ— so that he p râ—nt to vs our rel gio in violablâ— if the romaine Empire or what â—â—her souerai nâ— sâ—euer should opresse the sincere religion and we nâ—gligently further the same we shal be charged with contempte no lessâ— then the oppressors thereof them sâ—lues whereoâ— â—aith he abusing therein â—he Scriptures most gâ—oâ—ely we haue an example in the 15. of Ieremie wher the distruction of the Peâ—plâ— is prophâ—sied for that they suffred their Kings Maâ—â—ss s â—eâ—â—g vngodly to be vnpunished And doth he not aduise to haue this Doctrine priuately with respect (h) Ibidem pag. 869. post medium Prudenter igitur ac paulatim ageÌ„da sunt huiusmodi atque cum paucis quibus credere possis quae ardua sunt Coâ—municated vnto certeine chiefe peâ—sons of credit did not also the Caluinists of Embden as a brother of tâ—eâ—r oâ—ne (i) Gerhardus Giesekenius
scripto publico Saxonem Lautgrauium proscribit Cesar tanquam perfidos rebelles c. Protestantes cognita tanta severitate Bellum ipsi denunciant Caesari and pag. 658. fine Mauritius Sax. elector Augustus frater non quiescendum sibi arbitrabantur priusquam in tuto religionis Lutheranae professionem collocassent inde expeditionem Mauritius in ipsum Caesarem suscepit and pag. 661. ante medium hee acknowledgeth that dissidium bellum omne ex mutatione religionis Pontificiae in Lutheranam in Germaniae quibusdam ducatibus comitatibus civitatibus ortum est and pag. 464. ante med he saith Mauritius itaque cum rege Galliae foedus fecit in obtinendum id taÌ„dem ratus quod aequitate non poterat milites presidiarios in Pacificatione Magdeburgica dimissos tacitè rursum conduxit contra Caesarem ipsum adduxit c. like forraine examples confessed and reported even by Protestant writers to come neerer home was not our CouÌ„trieman Mr. Goodman so farre caried away with this rage of sedition that he doubted not to publish that in case of religion (q) See Goodmans booke pag. 4. 43. 59. 63. 87. 72. 99. 180. 184. 185. 196. it was lawfull to resist the Superior Powers and for subiects to withstand their Prince Doth hee not herevpon affirme that (r) Cap. 14. pag. 204. ad 212. Wiat did but his dutie and that it was the dutie of all others that professed the Gospell to haue risen with him is it not evident and confessed that this (s) M. Sutclyffe in his answere c. pag. 192. fine bookâ— was printed at Geneua in Queene Maries time (t) See Whittinghams Epistle before Goodmans book coÌ„manded by M. Wihittingham and (u) Whittingham vbi supra and M. Sutclyffe in his said answere c. pag. 193. initio approued to be good godly by the cheefest men of learning that were then in that Cittie did not the auctor of the booke of obedience writeÌ„ in Queene Maries time affirme therein that (x) Obed. pag. 99. and 113. and se M. Sutclyffe in his foresaid answere pa. 193. ante med and see the booke intituled dangerous PositioÌ„s c. pag. 36. circa medium Queene Marie ought to be put to death as being a tyrant a moster a cruell beast did not one William Thomas and others accordâ—nglie conspire to (y) Hollinsheades greate Chronicle the last editioÌ„ volume 3. pag. 1104. a. initio murther the said Queene and was not yet the said William (z) Master Cowper in his Chronicle fol. 365. b. ante medium Thomas being for that â—ffâ—nce hanged drawne and quartered nothing abasht to iustifie and say (a) M. Stowe in his Annalls or Chronicle Printed Anno 1592. pag. 1058. paulo ante medium at his death that he died for his Countrie c. As conâ—erning our Englishe Puritanes of latter times who yet at this present to exasperate the state against vs do so tediously and tragically riot in their pulpitts with so much want of matter and wastfull prodigalitie of time we will requite their malice with all sobrietie and patience forbearing purposelie at this present to mention in perticuler what may be and by their owne brethren already is (b) In M. Sutclyffes answere to a lybell Supplicatory and in the treatise intituled dangerous Positions and Proceedings published and practised within this Iland of Britainy vnder pretence of reformation whereof M. Bancrofte is saide to bâ—e the Auctor And in the booke intituled conspiracie for preteÌ„ded reformatioÌ„ c. printed 1592. pag. 28. 29. 30. 32. 33 35. collected in this kind against them out of their owne writinges as also wee willinglye passe ouer the like further examâ—les to well knowne to your Maiestie of Knoxe Buchanan Andrew Melum those other vnquiet spirrits of scotland whose Seditiouse doctrine designeâ—ents complotted against your Maiestie are to the world more odiouse and doubtfull in that besides other respects they did perpetrate the same against your Highnes a Prince zealouse in their owne religion onely we will premonishe in generall that the iurisdiction more then papall which they vnder the vaile of paretie wouâ—d induce into euery of their seuerall parishes is as her late Maiestie obserued out of her owne Princely experience (*) In her Maiesties Oration in Stowes abridgment pag. 1196. prope initium dangerous to a Kingâ—y rulâ— and to the state so much the more doubtfull and to be suspected by how much it is euident that many (c) M. Hooker in his preface to his booke of Ecclesiasticall policy pag. 34. post medium saith to the Puritanes you admit so many Supremacies as there are seuerall parishes c. domesticke Popes among whom is no subordination are to be reputed for more turbulent and enabled with oportunitie to attempte the hurt by them intended then any one forraine Pope can be a thing so evident that certaine of the rowne brethren dâ—ubte not to affirme say of them that (d) M. D. Sutclyffe in his foresaid answere c. pag. 192. prope initium pag. 198. ante medium they doe deliuer doctrine as dangerous to Princes as Râ—ssâ— Sanders Allen and other Papistes A REPETITION OF CONFESSED examples prouiâ—g the Loialty of English Catholikes SECT 3. BVT certaine of our adversaries wil perhaps hereto answere which is all they can well answere that sundrie of them doe dislike of the foresaid seditious doctrine and practises wherewith their foresaide brethren are as before charged and that therefore we should greatly wrong them if for the example of those we should hould all of them in like sort chargable Truely we acknowledge no lesse and doe perswade our selues that many graue learned amongst them would professe and teach Loyalty to their Soveraigne any diversitie of religion notwithstanding If now theÌ„ they could but afford vs the like charitable and indifferent censure concerning that other foresaid doctrine wherewith they charge certaine of our writers they should so discerne matter no lesse evident sufficient for our excuse To alledge therfore even from themselues that which blinded malice w ll not as now suffer certaine of theÌ„ to confesse by themselues published and first concerning our owne countrie To omitte the knowne doctrine of (2) In the epistle of Iohn Harte to the Reader sette before the beginning of the ConfereÌ„ce between Doctor Raynoldes him published by auctoritie Mr. Harte and (3) In M. Bishops booke entituled A cortuyse Conferen e c. writen by Iohn Bishop a recusant Papist Printed at LondoÌ„ for Robert Dexter in Paules Church-yard at the signe of the Brazen Serpent Mr. Bishoppe do not the English Chronicles testifie concerning Salisburie those other who were sinisterly seduced to designe with Babington to the effusion of innocent sacred blood that sundrie of them as namely (h) Hâ—llinsheades Chronicle of England the last edition vol. 3. pag. 1574. b. line 8. Salisburie and (i)
vs from the Catholickes of our owne nation wherevnto wee adde this one further observatioÌ„ coÌ„cerning our own countrie that whereas at the first comming to the Crowne of our late Soveraigne Queene Elizabeth so many Bishopes as are before meÌ„tioned and so many other of the Clergie and CoÌ„mons of this Realme were all of them Catholicke and at that time had also the publique state and government setled in that course and so thereby were of force no doubte sufficient to haue impugned and withstood the alteration then evideÌ„tly foreseene to ensue they did yet her Maiesties knowne professed diuersitie of religioÌ„ notwithstanding generally and without resistance receiue her withall (g) For the Lord Archbishop and Chancellor of England being a Catholicke made a publique OratioÌ„ to persuade the people to acknowledge her Maiestie for their Queen Hâ—llinshead vbi supra pa. 1170. a. lin 35 36. c. and the Lords and Bishoppes with al speed repaired into London to proclayme her Hollinsheade vbi supra pag. 1170 b. linea 15. Loyall and dutifull respect whereas yet againe in cleare example to the contrarie it is evident that Queene Marie came to the Crowne not without open resistance endured afterwards moâ—e knowne (H) CoÌ„cerning open rebellions in the fielde in Queene Maries time M. Stowe in his Annalls printed 1592. mentioneth the rebellion theÌ„ made by the Duke of NorthumberlaÌ„d his coÌ„plices pag. 1039. and pag. 1045. circa med he mentioneth howe that Cranmer Archbishoppe of Canterbury was condemned for high treason Also pa. 1046. post med 1047 c. He mentioneth the rebehoÌ„ made by Wâ—at his confederates pag. 1070 he meÌ„tioneth the rebellion made by Tho. Stafforde others and their taking of Scarborowe Castle rebellions in opeÌ„ field within the Realme during but those fiue yeares of her short government then were after in the fiue and fortie succeeding of her late Maiesties reigne wherto might be likewise added the severall notable and violent miâ—behaviours of those times done to omitte other even to the publique preacher (i) M. Stowe vbi supra mentioneth pa. 1039. initio how at one time a dagger was throwne at the preacher at Paules Crosse pag. 1058. paulo post med that at another time a Gunne was shotte at the Preacher there the pellet whereof went verie neere him at Paules Crosse the like whereof to haue beene committed by Catholickes would haue appeared verie strange during the Reigne of Queene Elizabeth A LIKE REPETITION OF CONfessed examples proving the Loialtie of forreyne Catholickes SECT 4. Novv concerning forraine examples do not our adversaries affirme and confesse that the FreÌ„ch King (k) M.D. Bilson vbi supra part 3. pag. 223. paulo ante medium Phillippe the faiâ—e resolutely withstood the Pope with all his interdictions and depositions that likewise concerning the Emperour (l) M.D. Bilson vbi supra part 3. pag. 215. fine and 216. initio Naucler Gener 43. Anno 1344. Lodowick the fourth the Princes and Bishoppes of Germanie signified their generall determination to him in these wordes Most gracious Lord the Princes electors and other faithfull of your Empire pervsing the articles of your submisison which the Pope requireth and resteth on with one consent haue decreede them to bee conceiued to the sâ—buersion and overthrow of the Empire so that neither you nor they by reason of the oath you haue taken to the Empire can yeeld to the they inteÌ„d to send Orators to the Pope to the Colledge of Cardinals to request him to cease froÌ„ this course if they reâ—use your Princes are resolved to meete at Rhens vpon Rhene there to deliberate with you for the further resisting of these practises doth not D. Bilson further confesse affirme that (m) ibidem part 3. pag. 212. circa medium in the margent there all the Prelats Princes of Germany tooke with Lodowicke against the Pope that vpoÌ„ (n) IbideÌ„ pag. 212. post med Naucler gener 45. anno 1338. grouÌ„ds of the Popes owne Canon as namely these the Prince hath his dominion not from the Pope but onely from God And do not our aduersaries in like sorte affirme and acknowledge asmuch touching the Emperours Fredericke (p) Concerning Fredericke the second see M.D. Bilson vbi supra part 3. pa. 187. fine Vsperg in anno 1227. And hereof see further M. Bilson part 3. pag. 206. initio and pag. 207. ante circa medium 173. ante medium fine the second and Henry (*) Concerning Henrie the fourth Osiander in epitom hist Eccles cent 11. pag. 193. fine and pag. 223. circa med testifieth his publique defence made by Wezilo Bishop of Mentz and Sigebert the Moncke notwithstaÌ„ding the Popes former excommunication the forth doe theâ— not in like manner take further notice and say that (t) D. Bâ—lson vbi supra part 1. pag. 130. circa medium and part 3. pag. 233. ante medium Chronicon Masseâ— in Anno 1510. And see further hereof Crispinus in his book of the state of the Church pag. 495 circa med and Crispinus vbi supra addeth further howe that it was by the same Councell agreede that the Pragmaticke Sanction should be kepte throughout FrauÌ„ce notwithstanding the Popes excommunication Lewes the twelueth in a councell at Towers had the resolution of all the French Bishoppes that he might contemne the Popes iniust censures that also (u) See the Historie of the civill warres of FrauÌ„ce from Anno 1585. till 1591. printed 1591. pag 58. circa medium the Senate of Paris hauing considered vpon the Popes excomunication did Anno 1585 reproue the Pope for vsurping vpon the liberties of the Crowne of Franâ—e and condemned the excomunication that likewise as Mr. Bilson affirmeth (1) Affirmed by Doctor Bilson vbi supra pag. 4. fine Thomas Aquinas had this moderatioÌ„ that Princes should noâ— lose their dominioÌ„ for heresie wherwith even Cardinal Bellarmine himselfe who is most cha ged he ein by our aduersaries seemeth yet so farre to asseÌ„t as that he maketh the King subiect to censure but conditionâ—lly (*) Bellarmine tom 1. lib. 5 de Romano Pontâ—f cap. 7. if he goe about to drawe by fâ—rce his subiectes to heresie and infidelitiâ— affirming also that (â‹) Bellarmine ibidem if Princes doe not endevour this but permit liberty of coÌ„science to their subiects theÌ„ saith he Non existimo posse eos priuari Dominio suo I thinke they may nâ—t be depriued of their dominion for he acknowledgeth the Pope (2) Bellarmine ibideÌ„ cap. 4. the title of that chapter being Papam noÌ„ habere vllam temporalem Iurisdictionem directe to haue in this case no temporall iurisdiction directly but only (3) Bellarmine ibideÌ„ cap. 7. ante medium quando alâ—ter non potest bonuÌ„ spirituale tueri when he cannot otherwise preserue the spirituall good in so much as hee doubteth not to affirme that (¶) Bellarm. lib. 2. de
therefore immediately and next vnder God we are by all lawes divine and humane obliged in the highest degree of all earthly alleageaÌ„ce To the inviolable observing whereof against the ambitious claime or coÌ„petencie of all pretenders whatsoever forraine or domesticall we do hereby as in the presence of God and his Angels most seriously and sincerely protest vpon our soules most humbly this one for ever imploring of your Maiestie that whereas the auncient enemie of our Catholike faith obseruing the weakenes of such as are most apte to bee seduced will in dâ—scredite of our religion still busie himselfe with (s) Math. 13 24. Sowing of tares amongest the whâ—ate If therefore as God forbid and we strongly hope the contrarie any one or other vnquiet spirit should arise and (t) 1. Ioh. 2 19. Act. 15 24. goe forth from vs as amongest the (u) Iohn 6 70. chosen twelue one was a divell whose least error or indiscretion our politicke adversaries over greedy of our discredit would drawe on and agravate against vs with all tragicall immoderate amplification your HIGHNES would yet in your Princely and rightfull Iudgment distinguish the fault from the religioÌ„ retorning which we wish most severely the offence and punishmeÌ„t therof vpon the offender himselfe according to the lawes in that behalfe p ovided without imputation thereof to vs or further scandall to our profession THAT THE ARGVMENT DRAWNE frâ—m the Confession of the Adversaries is stronge with a brâ—ef repetitioÌ„ of the principall points throughout al thâ—se severall tractes all of them proved by the testimony confession â—f lâ—arned Protestants with an huÌ„bâ—e Petâ—tio for private tolleration SECT 6. FOâ— so much as our leâ—â—ned aduersaries do afâ—â—rme â—h t (x) Academiae Nâ—mansis respons ad professorum â—urnoniorum Societatis Iesu assertionis c pag. 84. saith magnae profâ—ctâ—â—nâ—ustriae â—st ex ipsius aâ—versarâ—â— erbis adversarium convincere it sâ— grâ—ate â—eeâ—e of wo k to coâ—uince the adueâ—â—aâ—â—e from himseâ—â—e And M. D. Whitaker saith â—ccordingly (y) M. Whitaker de Ecclesia Controu 2. quaest 5. cap. 14. initio pa. 366. saith Decimam tertiam notam statuit Bellarminus adversariorum coÌ„fessionem firmum certè sit necesse est argumentum illad quod hinc sumitur c. efficax enim erit adversarioruÌ„ ipsorum contra ipsos testimonium c. et quidem fateor veritateÌ„ etiam suis inimicis testimonium extorquere c. the argument must needes be strong which is taken froÌ„ the confession of the aduersaries for the confession of the adversaries against themselues is effectuall and truely saith he I do acknowledge that the truth enforceth testimonie from her enemies And since also most gratious Soueraigne that we haue in this dâ—scourse forbearing oâ—r other plentifull helpes restrained our selues to this inequality or precisenes of Method â—riâ—ging so forth as the Proâ—het saith (*) Esay 19 2. the Aeâ—iptians against the Aâ—g ptians haue to the more euident setting forth of the equitie of this ouâ— most humble supplication accordingly shewed euen by the frequent and manifest â—onfession of our learned aduersaâ—ies First that we English men were aboue a thousand (z) Heretofore tract 1. sect 1. initio yeares since conuerted by Gregorie and Austinâ— to our now professed Catholicke faith 2 Secondly that the same faith was as yet much more ancient and long (a) Tract 1. sect 2. pag. 5. initio before that time vniuersally professed 3 Thirdly that it carrieth with it great (b) Tract 1. sect 2. ante post medium sect 3. probabâ—lities to haue begun euen in the Apostles time is so thereby cleared from that note of noueltie which your (¶) For my part I know not how to answere the obiectioÌ„s of the Papists wheÌ„ they charg vs with novelties but truelie to tell them that their abuses are new in the Summe of the ConfereÌ„ce before the Kings Maiestie pag. 73. ante medium Maiesty most religiouly seemeth to dislike in what profession soeuer 4 Fourthly that the argument of true miracles is (*) Tract 1. sect 5. paulo post initium strong and certaine and that our faith is confessed to haue beene accordingly (c) Tract 1. sect 5. pag. 35 and in the margent at the maâ—ke * confirmed with such 5 Fiftly that the hopefull promises of (d) Tract 1. sect 6. pa. 40. 41. 42. 43. 44. saluation do appertaine to it 6 Sixâ—ly that the Romane Church being conuerted in tâ—e Apostles time did neuer (â‹) Heretofore tract 1 sect 7. sect 8. since make change of her religion Since also we haue by like testimonie of our adversaries further shewed in the 2. tract of this discourse 1 First that the Prophets do foretell how that Christs true Church mâ—st after her first incâ—ease (e) Tract 2. c. 1 sect 1. pag. 74. 75 at a. b. c. d. contâ—nue Cathol cke and â—niversall mâ—st likewise wâ—th greâ—t and prosperoâ—s successe convert (f) Heretofore tract 2. caâ— 1. sâ—ct 1. pag. 74. pag. 75. at q. many nations â—nd Kâ—ngs of tâ—e Gentiles fâ—om paganisme to the faith of Châ—ist 2 Secondly that dâ—ring the first 300. yeares after Christ these predictioÌ„s were (g) Heretofore tract 2. cap. 1. sect 2. initio pag. 76. not performed by reaâ—on of the persecutions that as then raged 3 Thirdly that the performaÌ„ce of them was begunne but (h) Tra. 2. c. 1. sect 2. circa post med pa. 76. et 77. not accomplished during the second 300. yeares after Christ and howsoever it were as then either begunne or accomplished yet was it done by our (i) Tract 2. c. 1. sect 3. pa. 77. 78. 79. 80. Catholike and not their Protestant Church 4 Fourâ—hly that after the saide second â—00 yeares euen till Luthers time the protestants Church was so farre from performing the saide predictions that during all that time and long before it is confessed to haue remained (k) Heretofore tra 2. c. 1 sect 4. pag 81. 82. 83. inuisible our Church neuerthelesse during all the saide time conuerting the (l) Tract 2. c. 1. sect 4. pa. 81. in the margent at the marke * and pag 83. at q. r. and 82. at n. o. p. Kings and nations of the Gentâ—â—es 5 â—ifâ—y that the manifest and confessed defect of the protestants Church in not performing of the saide predictions aduaÌ„tageth the (m) Tra. 2. c. 1. sect 5. ante medium pag 85. Iewes against them in so much as it made their learned (n) Tra. 2. c. 1. sect 5. paulo post med pag. 86. at d. e. Castaliâ— to stagger in his faith and David (o) Tra. 2. c. 1. sect 5. prope finem pag. 86. at f. George to revolte frâ—m them to plaine apostasie Since also in the same seâ—ond tract we haue likewise further shewed from the like testimonie of our learned adveâ—saries 1 First that Christs true Church can never