Attorneyes coÌ„â—onlie are presumed to haue vvho must speake â—o the purpose hovvsoeuer it be to the truth And â—â— it vvell appeared in that arraignment vvherof â—e novv treat but intend to proceed no further â—â—erein for that the prisoner himself ansvvered this point sufficientlie at the barre as also to the Lordes before in the tovver and a more large discourse maie be made therof hereafter if neede shall require 19. As for your other article about the Antiquity and continuance of your Church a man maie easily see that you sought an occasion to bring it in by making an obiection on the behalfe of Iesuitts against the same and thereby to shevv your skill in ansvvering They hold their religion saie you to be the old Religion where ours is the new confyned to England where on the contrary side their Religion is vniuersall and embraced in the greatest part of this Christian worlde And thus for the maintenance of their rotten Religion doe they seeke to disgrace and blemish our Ghospell But good syr if your ghospell be that of the foure Euangelistes novv receaued vve pretend that it is as much our ghospell as yours and more also for that you receaued it from vs and vpon our Churches credit and for that you call rotten Religion if euer it vvere Religion then neuer can it rott except you put no difference betvvene apples and religion But let vs heare hovv you vvill ansvvere this obiection in your ovvne vvordes as they came set dovvne vnto me from your ovvne mouth 20. But to this saie you I will answere that if our Ghospell be as ancient as Luther it is more ancient then the Iesuitts are though not I trovv then Iesuitts religion albeit it be not conteyned in these narrow limitts of place nor bands of time which they feignedly imagine hauing byn euer since the time of Christ and his Apostles For we doe not deny but that Rome was the mother-Church and had thirty two virginall martyrs of her Popes a-row so continued til in succeeding ages it brought in a masse of errors and idle ceremonyes But you will aske perhaps where our Church lurked before Luthers coming for some hundreds of yeares But I say it makes no great matter where it was so that I â—m certaine it was for as a wedge of gold if it be dissolâ—ed and mixed with a masse of brasse tinne and other metalls doth not loose his nature but remaineth gold still although we cannot determine in what part of the masse it is conteined but the touch-stone will fynde it out so though our Church hath euer byn since Christes time in the vvorld yet being mixed and couered vvith innouaâ—ons and errours vve cannot tell in vvhat part it vvas And I dare say that it is novv more extended then theirs â— for vve haue all England all Scotland all Germany al Denmarke a great part of France al Poland some part of Italie These are your vvordes if the Relators haue byn exact in setting them dovvne as they saie they haue byn And then is there â—o maruaile though you impugne so much the doctrine of scrupulous reseruation of true sense in ambiguous speeches vvhereas so manifestlie you ouer-lash in all those periods vvhich heere you haue layed before vs. 21. But to the matter it self about the Antiquity Continuance Succession Visibility and Assurance of the Church vvhereas you graunt that the Roman Church vvas the true mother-Church from the beginning and had two and thirty virginall martyrs for so you call them for her Popes one after the other vvithout interposition of anie one Bishop that vvas not martyr for more then the space of three hundred yeares you graunt vs so much in this assertion if it be vvel considered as it vvill be hard for you to take it from vs againe aftervvard in your sequent negation vvhich I shal shevv you brieflie by tvvo conuincing Arguments the one Theologicall the other Morall 22. The first is that if the Church of Rome vvas the true mother-Church of Christ and Christian religion for so great a space as you assigne then no doubt vvere all the predictions and promises of Prophets for the greatnes eminency honour certeyntie florishing perpetuitie of the said Christian Church fulfilled in her Christes peculier promises in like manner that he would be vvith her to the end of the vvorld that the holy ghost should lead her into all truth that hell-gates vvhich properlie signify errours and heresies should neuer preuaile against her that she should be the piller and foundation of truth all men bound to obey and beleeue her vvas â—eant also performed in this Roman-Church for three hundred yeares and more and promised â—â— be performed to the end of the vvorld vvherof â—â—sueth that either God is not able to performe what he promiseth for of his vvill there can be no doubt seing he hath promised or else it cannot vvithout impiety be conceaued and much â—â—se beleeued that this Roman-mother-Church so â—â—anted in the beginning by Christ and his Apoâ—â—es bloud and so vvatered for three hundred yeares togeather by the bloud of all her Bishops â—â— spread ouer the vvorld as S. Paul of his ovvne time testifyeth that her faith religion vvas and aftervvard all Ecclesiasticall histories vvithin the time prescribed after doe declare that all other Churches commonly at least-vvise of the vvest-world vvere her daughters by foundation our â—reat-Britany among the rest it is impossible I say to imagine vvith piety hovv this Queene of the vvorld hovv this florishing Church hovv this golden vvedge to vse your ovvne similitude should so be dissolued mingled vvith brasse tinne copper other such contemptible mettalls vvhich you cal Errours innouations as that her Religion should become rotten according to your phrase her self in steed of being the true kingdome inheritaÌ„ce spouse of Christ become his enemy his aduersary an aduovvtresse and the verie povver of Sathan himself against him as you M. Attorney doe make her 23 Hovv I praie you can this be thought by vvhat reason or probability maie it be imagined vvhen hovv by vvhat meanes might this metamorphosis be made The very next age after the forsaid Martyr-Popesliued S. Augustine vvho reciting the said Popes and their Successors vnto his daieâ— called them all holy vvithout distinction and by their lineal succession in the said Church of Rome did persuade himself to haue demonstrated the truth of all Catholicke Religion as vvell in Africa vvhere he vvas as throughout the vvhole vvorld against all heretickes 24. And after him againe liued in the same Sea as Bishops thereof S. Leo and S. Gregory both of them surnamed Great in respect of their great sanctitie great learning and famous acts and vvith them and after them concurred and suceeeded in other Christian Churches of the vvorld as Fathers and Doctors S. Maximus S. Prosper Vincentius Lyrinensis S. Gregory of Tovvers S. Fulgentius S. Benedict and others all making the same accompt of the Roman Church doctrine sanctity
and thereupon he reiected the one and fauoured the other as more sincere people and more to bee trusted by him that were so trustie and faithfull to their God and his religion yf this I saie were a good censure and iudgment I doe not see how this other of M. Attorney can stand vpon anie ground of reason or Christian charitie that qualifieth so greiuously or rather calumniateth so egregiously the religious standing of Catholicke people in the moderate defence and excuse of their said consciences 22. But heere perhaps hee may demaund or some body for him what great reasons wee haue for this obstacle of our iudgment for not conforming it to his and others in this behalfe Wherunto though sufficientlie hath been alleadged before in the Answere to his Preface yet now may some two or three points or considerations bee further added in confirmation therof among almost infinite that might bee produced And the first may bee that which hitherto wee haue treated in this book with M. Attorney concerning the continuance of that religion for which wee stand throughout the whole race and course of our Christian English-Princes State and Realme from the beginning of our first conuersion vnto our time All which Kings and Queens Counsellors Nobilitie Archbishops Bishops Doctors Vniuersities Lawyers and Sages of all sortes were for so manie ages by one and the self-same religion profession and beleife directed and saued if anie were saued that is to say by the selfsame means doctrine and Sacraments of our auncient Catholicke English Church continuing vntill K. Henry 8. tyme which Church professed the very same faith and beliefe in like maner as in another special booke hath been declared wherby all other Christian nations had been directed and saued for those other ages which went before our English conuersion after Christs assension 23. New then this being so I would aske anie reasonable indifferent English-man whether wee haue iust cause to stand in and for this religion or not and whether if himself were now readie to die for that is the time when men doe iudge with lesse passion and had laid before his eyes the euerlasting ioyes of heauen on the one side and the eternall paines of hell on the other to bee lost or gayned by his election whether I saie hee would aduenture rather to goe in companie and ioyne himself with this large and venerable bodie of old English Catholickes among whome there are recorded by histories to haue been so manie admirable men both for learning wisdome and sanctitye of life or leauing these to take parte and receiue his portion with such later people of the same nation as haue deuided themselues from the other And when M. Attorney in good probabilitie of reason shall substantiallie answere mee this demaund it may doubtlesse bee a great motiue vnto mee and others to draw vs to the current of this present time but in the meane space wee must stand fast least wee fall into the torrent of brimstone if wee goe against our consciences by which wee must bee iudged and euery man damned or saued thereby as out of the Apostles testimonie before hath been declared 24. And thus much for standing in our old religion Now for passing to a new there is another obstacle also that greatlie withholdeth vs and this is that when wee shall haue left this old religion so begun so established so confirmed so promised by God to endure to the worlds end so generallie receiued so vniuersalli-continued as hath been declared wee cannot tell to what otheâ— sorte sect or parte of religion to passe with anie probable securitie or certeynty at all why wee should rather adhere to one sect then to another For when once wee leaâ—â— the said Catholicke religion so grouÌ„ded as you haue seen there is no one substantiall reason à parte rei that can bee assigned by anie man liuing neuer so learned why hee should more or rather follow one parte profession sect or new opinion then another As for example if to a man that vpon anie offence disgust scandall error anger interest leuity or the like for these are the ordinary motiues of changes breaketh from the auncient Catholicke Romain religion there should represent themselues vnto him fiue or six of the principall newest sects and sortes that professe different religions in our time all vnder the name of the Ghospell as namelie of Lutheranes either ridged or soft of Anabaptists Trinitarians new Arrians Zwinglians Calâ—â—nists of both sortes to witt Puritans and other all which haue their different positions professions articles faiths Churches conuenticles in these our daies and if he should demaund of fiue or six distinct Doctors of these new-ghospellers what substantiall reason or infallible grouÌ„d they can alleadge wherewith to persuade him that he ought to take their particular partes or bee of their seueral sects the one aboue the other or why themselues and ech one of them is rather of the one sect then of the other seeing all professe ghospell and scriptures In this case I say they can yeeld him no other reason but this that ech man assureth himself that hee and his parte doe alleadge and vnderstand the scriptures better then the rest which depending onlie as you see vpon the priuate iudgment and persuasion of ech one in particular for other proofes hee caÌ„ bring none except the stand vpon assurance of his particular spirit which euerie one of the other sects will doe in like manner it bringeth no assurance at all being onlie founded vpon ech mans opinion choice and election which properlie is heresie for that hereticks as auncient Fathers doe define are nothing els but choosers who leauing the vniuersall rule of faith deliuered vnto them by tradition of the common Church do chuse vnto themselues seuerall paths and opinions to follow 25. Wheras then no ground at all can bee yeelded by anie reason witt or learning of man why wee should bee rather of one new profession then another after wee haue left the old receiued throughout Christendome and that in the old wee stand not ech-man vpon his particular iudgment to beleiue this or that but vpon the generall testimonie tradition voice vse and authoritie of the vniuersall Christian Church called Catholicke as S. Augustine and others say not onlie by her freinds and followers but also by her enemies this being so I saie wee haue great cause to looke before wee leape as the prouerb is and to consider well where wee shall land or how we shall come to shore before wee leaue the shipp wherin wee are or doe aduenture into M. Attorneys new Current or anie other that hath no staie but maie carry vs further with the streame then wee can staie our selues afterward when wee would And thus much of this consideration 26. A third is which also shall bee the last in this place that terrifieth vs no lesse then anie of the former two and this is
inuisibilitie in those ages but novv she is become visible in our daies Nay you doe set her forth vvith so great an enlargement of greatnes and glorious apparence as you say she is more extended now then ours For that quoth you vve haue all England all Scotland all Germany all Denmarke all Poland a great part of France and some part of Italie VVherein your large extension of your Church in this second parte of your Relation if vve could beleeue you is no lesse strange then vvas your restriction of her secresie and inuisibilitie in the first For vvho vvil graunt you al England for Protestants vvhen they shall see so many prouisions made against both English Catholickes Puritanes vvhich later part of men as vvel as the former that they caÌ„not make one Church vvith you shall preseÌ„tlie be shevved in the Preface of this vvorke 30. Hovv you haue all Germany for youres there being so manie religions and the greatest parte Catholicke and other different Sects greatlie disagreeing from you I knovv not by vvhat figure you can make your Reader to beleeue that you speake truth The like I saie of Denmarke vvhere al are Lutheranes and not of your Church nor vvill it admit Caluinistes to dvvell or dy or be buried amongst them Of all Poland it is a notable hyperbole for so much as both the King â—â—d State professe publicklie the Catholicke reliâ—â—on and the Sectaryes that are in that kingdome â—â—e Trinitarians Arrians Anabaptists more perhaps â—â—nuber then Caluinistes I marueile you omitted â—â—ecia and Noruegia vvhere as they are not Cathoâ—â—â—kes so are they not of your religion or Church 〈◊〉 nor those of France neither though they be â—â—luinistes for as for your some parte of Italie I â—old to be no parte at all nor vvas it anie thing â—se but a certaine ouerflovving of your speach to â—ake the full sound of a greater number the Proâ—â—stants of France I say cannot make one Church â—â—ith you as neither those of Scotland vvith the residue of Holland Zealand and other of â—â—ose Prouinces vnited of Geneua as their Moâ—â—er-Church these I say being all Puritanes â—â—d Precisians cannot make any Church vvith â—ou in that vnion of faith and doctrine vvhich â—â—e vnity of a Church requireth as by your and â—â—eir ovvne confession vvritinges testimonyes â—â—d protestations is extant in the vvorld to be â—â—ene Wherefore I shall desire the intelligent Reaâ—â—r to make vvith me a briefe recollection about â— Attorneyes doctrine for his Church First he â—â—aunteth as you haue heard the Roman Church 〈◊〉 haue byn the true Mother-Church for diuers â—ges togeather spread ouer the vvhole vvorld dilated throughout all Prouinces perspicuous eminent and admirable in florishing glorie by the greatnes and multitude of her children professing Christ euery-vvhere in vnion of faith doctrine and Sacraments as the holie Fathers iâ— those ages and others ensuing doe testify vnto vs 32. Secondlie he vvill haue this glorious Churcâ— so to haue fallen sicke pyned and vvitheredâ— vvay vvithout groaning and so to haue vanisheâ— out of mens sightes as she could not be knovvn vvhere she vvas for many hundred yeares togeather nay he vvill haue her to be like a wedge oâ— golde so corrupted and mingled vvith lead anâ— tinne as no man can tell vvhere the gold lieth except he try it vvith the touch-stone vvhich touch stone in our case he saith to be the scripture vvhereby the Church must by euerie man be tryed and touched so as ech one that vvill knovv this Church and haue benefit from the same musâ— touch her first see vvhether she be the Church or no and so in-steed of submitting himself vnto her and to be directed by her he must first makâ— himselfe touch-maister and Iudge ouer her 33. Thirdlie M Attorney hauing shifted of this time of the inuisibility of his Church in this sort he novv in this last age maketh her so visible againe vpon the suddaine as that she comprehendeth all the Churches of the aforenamed Kingâ—â—mes of vvhat Sect or profession soeuer so that â—â—â—y differ from the Catholicke vvhich are some â—â—ne or ten Sectes at the least al dissenting amoÌ„g â—â—â—mselues professing in their vvritings actes â—â—d doings that they are not of one religion nor â—â—nsequentlie can be of one Church and yet eâ—â—â—ie one goeth vvith his touch-stone in his hand 〈◊〉 vvit the Bible as vvell as M. Attorney and are â—eady to touch him and his Church as he them â—â—d theirs but vvith different effect and successe 〈◊〉 he fyndeth by this touchstone as you haue â—â—ard that all they are of his Church but they â—â—d euery one of them by the same touch-stone â—â—e fynde the contrary and not one of them vvill â—â—unt I saie not one of all the vvhole number of nevv Sectes that the Church of EnglaÌ„d as novv standeth is either the true Church of Christ or â—â—eir Church and in this I dare ioyne issue vvith â— Attorney out of their ovvne bookes assertions â—â—d protestations So as novv M. Attorney that vvhich in the â—â—â—iptures is so memorable of it self so commenâ—â—d by Christ our Sauiour so respected by the Aâ—â—stles so testifyed and defended by the primitiue â—artyrs so magnifyed by the ancient Doctors â—â—d Fathers and by all good Christians so reueâ—â—nced and dreaded I meane the glorious name â—f the Catholicke and vniuersall Church and the benefit to be in her and of her vvithout vvhich no saluation can be hoped for of Christ but ineuitable and euerlasting perdition by vvhich on the other side and in which saluation onlie maie be attained all this I saie is come to be so poore base and contemptible a thing vvith you and so vncertayne as you knovv not vvhere your Church is nor greatlie care so that at all she be and vvhen you name your Sectary-brethren and associates therein they denie you and your alliance as you see and vvhen you assigne your touch-stone of scriptures they vse the same against you and proue thereby youres to be no Church and ech one of themselues in seuerall to be the onlie true and Christian Church And this haue you gained by leauing the Roman vvhich you graunt in old times to haue byn the holy mother-Church see vvherevnto you are come and this shall suffice for this matter 35. This epistle vvould grovv ouerlong if I should entertaine my self in all the impertinent speeches vvhich you had that daie in your glorie as it semeth against Catholickes the least parte vvhereof did in vvise-mens sightes concerne the prisoner at the barre though by your Rhetoricall application all vvas dravven vpon him by hooke or by crooke for that Yorke VVilliams Colen Squiar and Lopus vvere brought in squadron to muster there to that effect vvherof all notvvithstanding except the last are defended and their conspiracies most euidentlie proued to haue byn feygned by a learned vvorthy and vvorshipfull gentleman of our Countrey dedicated these yeares past to the Lords of the late
should bee able to get authoritie ouer so manie other Bishops his equals throughout so manie and different nations so far off from him and so little fearing his temporall power or that so manie People Citties Kingdomes Common-wealths Prouinces and Nations would bee so prodigall of their owne libertie as to subiect themselues to a forraine Priest as now so manie ages they haue done or to giue him such authoritie ouer theÌ„selues if he had no right therevnto at all 7. But what shall I stand to dispute with Luther in this matter Or what importeth it what he saieth or beleeueth therin for so much as through anger and enuie he knoweth not himself what he thinketh or saith but declareth well the saying of the Apostle to be true in himself Cor ipsius insipiens obscuratum itaditumque in reprobum sensum That his foolish heart is darkned and deliuered ouer vnto a reprobate sense So King Henry pronouncing as you see a heauy iudgment against Luther now and himself afterwarde when he fell into the same darknes and not only obscuritie of vnderstanding but inconstancie also of proceeding which heer so eagerly hee obiecteth to Luther for this he writeth of him Quis non eius miretur inconstantiam c. who will not wonder at Luthers inconstancie for a little before he wrote in his bookes that the Papaltie though it were not by diuine right yet was it by humane to witt by humane consent for the publik good of the Church and therevpon condemned and detested the sect of the Hussites in Bohemia for that they had cut themselues off from the obedience of the Roman Sea affirming that they sinned damnably whosoeuer obaied not the Pope This he wrote verie lately since his fall from Catholicke religion but now he is run into that which then he so much detested And like inconstancy he hath shewed in another point also which is that hauing preached of late in a certaine Sermon to the people that the Popes excommunication was to bee obaied and patiently be borne as a medecine in a disease WheÌ„ himself afterwards was most worthily excommunicated he tooke that sentence of the Pope so impotently as seeming to be mad or fallen into rage he brake forth into such contumelious speaches and blasphemies as no Christian eares can abide to heare the same so as by his furie he hath made it euident Eos qui pelluntur gremio matris Ecclesia statim furijs corripi atque agitari daemonibus That those which are cast out from the lap of their mother the Church are taken presently with suries and vexed with diuells Thus far K. Henry and much more to this effect which for breuityes sake I pretermit 8. And now let vs with greife of mind some terror of conscience looke ouer and reflect vpon that which happened afterward vnto this King himself and into what extremes of passion and choller he fell in his writings and Statutes against this very Supremacy of the Pope when he was excommunicated by him which heere he defendeth against Luther though in other points of doctrine he remained still opposite to Luther euen vnto his dying day 9. It is worthy the noting also what mutability and inconstancy he vsed not only in the whole thing to wit in dâ—â—â—ing the Popes Supremacy but in the very manner also of falling into that extremity For first for many yeares after the writing of this his booke which was in the yeare of Christ 1521. he continued so deuout and obedient to the said Sea of Rome as no King in Christendome more as may appeare by the mutuall good offices of loue friendship that passed between them And when six yeares after this againe Rome was spoiled by the army of the Duke of Burbon Pope Clement the seauenth held as besieged in the Castle of S. Angelo no King or Prince of Christendome was more forward in the ayd of the said Pope then K. Henry of England as may appeare by his great and famous Embassadge sent that very yeare into France by Cardinall VVolsey about that matter in the yeare 1527. to draw the King of France into the association of that aid and help 10. And when againe the next yeare after King Henry began to moue his doubt or question about the lawfullnes of his marriage with Queene Catherine he referred the whole matter to Rome and procured Iudges to be sent from thence as namely Cardinall Campegius that was directed from Rome the selfsame yeare into England for Legat with like commission for Cardinall VVolsey to be ioyned with him as deputyes from Pope Clement to heare and iudge the matter before whome sitting in iudgment both K. Henry and Queen Catherine being cited personally to appeare they made their appearance in the Church of the Black-Friars in London in the moneth of Aprill anno Domini 1529. which was the one and twentith of King Henryes raigne And albeit King Henry being offended that by this means of these two Legats the Pope accepting of the Appeal of Queen Catherine recalling the matter to himself he could not haue his wil did put from his fauour soone after Cardinall VVolsey when the other was departed and brought him to the miserable end which is well knowne yea condemned for his sake the whole Clergy of England in a Premunire that is to say the losse of all their goods which afterward they redeemed with a submission and payment of a hundred thousand pounds for that they had acknowledged the said Cardinals Legantine authority which himself had procured from Rome yet did not he for this surcease to send other Embassadours to continue the solicitation of the same suite of diuorce in the said Court of Rome and namely among others Doctor Stephen Gardâ—â—â— the Kings chiefe Secretary soone after made Bishop of VVinchester who was sent thither as Stow and others doe testifie presently after the departure of Cardinall Campegius in the same yeare 1529. Neither did King Henry leaue of to hold his Embassadours Lawyers and Procurators there about this matter for two or three yeares after this againe vntill he saw there was no hope to get his diuorce by that means and on the otherside was resolued to marry the Lady Anne Bullen whatsoeuer came of it and so did in the yeare 1533. and 24. of his raigne 11. Thus then you see the beginning and progresse of the cause of King Henryes breach with the Sea Apostolicke which probably would neuer haue byn if he could haue obtained his will that way but falling into despaire therof tooke resolution to cut the knot which otherwise he could not vndoe But the manner of his proceeding may be best seen by two Acts of Parlament set downe heer by M. Attorney the one of the 24. the other of the 25. yeare of King Henryes raigne for that in the former which was in the yeare of his marriage with Lady Anne Bullen as hath byn said he prohibited
now that this authority was no new thing or to vse his words not a Statute introductorie of a new but declaratorie of an old and that the same was conforme to the auncient laws of England acknowledged and practised by all her auncestors Kings of the same and that the difference of her sex as they had qualified the matter and couched their words did hinder nothing at all the acceptance of this authority shee was content to lett it passe admitt therof for the time though I haue beene most credibly informed by such as I cannot but beleiue therein considering also her forsaid sharpenes and pregnancie of witt that vpon diuers occasions especially for some yeares after the beginning of her raigne she would in a certaine manner of pleasantnes iest thereat herself saying Looke what a head of the Church they haue made mee 37. And to the end that no man may imagine that these things some other which heer I am to touch of the good dispositioÌ„ this deceased Princesse had of her self towards Catholicke religion at the beginning of her raigne and for diuers yeares after if she might haue been permitted to her owne inclination are fayned I doe affirme vpon my conscience in the sight of him that is author of all truth and seuere reuenger of all false-hood that nothing hereof is inuented or framed by mee but sincerely related vpon the vndoubted testimonies of such as reported the same out of their owne knowledge As for example that not longe before the death of Q. Marie a coÌ„mission being giuen to certaine of the priuie Counsell to goe and examine the said Ladie Elizabeth at her howse of Hat-field not far from London when other matters had been debated shee taking occasion to talke with one of them a part in a window said vnto him with great vehemencie of spirit and affliction of mynd as it seemed laying her hand vpon his Oh Syr and is it not possible that the Queen my sister will once bee persuaded that I am a good Catholicke Yes Madame quoth the Counsellor if your Grace bee so indeed God will moue her Maiestie to beleiue it Wherevpon the said Ladie both sware and protested vnto him that she did as sincerely beleiue the Roman Catholicke religion as anie Princesse could doe in the world in proofe thereof alleadged the order of her familie which was to heare masse euery daie and the most of them two one for the dead and the other for the liuing And this hath the said Counsellour oftentimes related vnto mee and others hee being a man of great grauity truth and sinceritie in his speeches 38. And coÌ„forme to this I haue seen a letter written in Spanish from the said howse of Hat-field vnto K. Philip then in Flaunders by the Count of Ferâ—â— afterward Duke and then Embassadour for the said King in England which letter was written vpon the 16. daie of Nouember in the yeare 1558. when Queen Marie being now extreme sicke and annealed out of all hope of life he went to visit the said Princesse Elizabeth from his Maister and relateth all the conference and speach he had with her and her answers to diuers points concerning her future gouernment with his opinion of the same both in matters of 〈◊〉 and religion concerning the latter wherof though hee discouered in her a great feeling and discontentment of certaine proceedings against her in her sisters time and therevpon did foreâ—â—some troubles like to ensue to some of them that had been in â—â—fe gouernment and namely to Cardinall Poole if he had liued 〈◊〉 wrtieth he that for the Principall points of Catholicke faith â—â—en in controuersie he was persuaded she would make no great â—â—teration and in particular he affirmeth that she protested vnto vnto him very sincerely that she beleiued the reall presence in the Sacrament after the words of consecration pronounced by the Priest 39. Which relation of this noble man is much consirmed by that which was written to the said Queene herself some six or seauen yeares after by Doctor Harding in his dedicatory epistle before the confutation of the English Apologie of the Church of England vpon the yeare 1565. wherin he commendeth her liking of her more sober preachers both allwayes heertofore saith he and specially on Good-friday last openly by words of thanks declared when one of a more temperate nature then the rest in his sermon before your maiesty confessed the Reall Presence So he And that this opinion and affection staied and perseuered with her euen vnto her old age by her owne confession I haue for witnes another Worshipfull knight yet aliue who vpon the truth of his conscience hath often protested vnto me that hauing occasion to walke talke with her and to discourse somewhat largely of forraine matters for that he was newly come froÌ„ beyond the seas in her garden at VVhitehall not aboue fiue or six yeres before her death relating vnto her among other things the iudgment and speaches of other Princes concerning her excellent partes of learning wisedome bewty affability variety of languages and the like but especially the speaches of certaine great Ladies to this effect vpon viewing of her picture the said knight seeing her to take much contentment therein and to demaund still greedily what more was said of her he thought good asking first pardon to ad the exception that was made by the said Ladies to wit how great pitty it was that so rare a Princesse should be stained with heresie wherat her Grace being much moued as it seemeth answered And doe they hold me for an heretick God knoweth what I am if they would let me alone and so auouched vnto him in particular that she beleiued the Reall presence in the Sacrament with other like protestations to that effect 40. And sundry yeares before this againe there being sent into England from France one Monsieur Lansacke of the French King Counsell that was Steward in like manner of the Queen-mothers houshould as before hath byn meÌ„tioned he was wont to recount testifie after his returne with great asseueration that hauing had confident speach with the Queen of England about matters of religion she told him plainely that which before we touched about her spirituall Supremacy to wit that she knew well inough that it belonged not to her but to S. Peter and his Successours but that the people and Parlament had layed it vpon her and would needs haue her to take and beare it Adding moreouer her Catholicke opinion about other points in controuersie also and namely about Praying to Saints affirming that euery day she prayed herself to our Blessed Lady And so far forth had she persuaded this to be true to this French Counsellour as he did not only beleiue it and reporte it againe with great confidence but was wont to be angry also with such as should seeme to make doubt of the truth therof among whome for
also calumnious what shall wee saie of M. Attorney in this behalfe that presumeth so confidentlie to put such open vntruths in print 4. First then for the former point not onlie many Catholicks in the first eleuen yeares by him prescribed did refuse publikely to come to the Protestants Church but many Puritans also from the verie first entrance of Queen Elizabeth to her Crowne and so is it testified by publike authoritie of diuers books set forth by order and approbation of the Bishops of England themselues these years past against the said Puritans recounting the beginning ofspring and progresse of that Sect and faction one of them wriâ—â—ng thus Vpon the returne of Goodman VVhittingham Gylby with â—he rest of their associates from Geneua to England although it greiued them at the heart that they might not beare as great a â—way heer in their seuerall Consistories as Caluyn did it Geneua c. yet medled not they much in shew with matters of this discipline but rather busied themselues about the apparrell of ministers ceremonies prescribed and in picking of quarrells against the Communion booke c. Thus writeth hee of the first Geneâ—ian English preachers that returned from thence to England after the Queens raigne and that for these quarrels against the Common and Communion-booke they refused to come to the Protestants Church in those daies as much as Catholikes it is euident But yet you shall heare it affirmed plainly and distinctly out of the same Author quite opposite to M. Attorneys asseveration though hee bee of his religion if yet he haue made his choise 5. For the first ten or eleuen yeares of her Maiestyes raigne saith hee through the peeuish frowardnes the outcries exclamations of those that came home from Geneua against the garments prescribed to ministers and other such like matters no man of anie experience is ignorant what great contentioâ— and strife was raised in so much as their Sectaries deuided themselues from their ordinarie coÌ„gregations meeting togeather in priuate howses in woods and fields had and kept there their disorderly and vnlawfull Conuenticles which assemblees notwithstanding the absurdnes of them in a Church reformed M. Cart-wright within a while after tooke vpon him in a sorte to defend c. So hee And thus much for Puritanes whome if M. Attorney will graunt to bee of anie perswasion what soeuer in Christian religion he then must needs graunt also that hee was much oâ—ershott in this his first so generall a Proposition affirming that none of what persuasion soeuer did at anie time refuse within that compasse to goe to Church But lett vs see how wee can ouerthrow the same in like manner concerning Catholickes of whom principally hee meant it 6. Hee that shall but cast backe the eye of his memorie vpon the beginning of Queen Elizabeths raigne and shall consider how many Archbishops Bishops Deans Archdeacons Heads of Colledges Chanons Priests Schollers Religious persons of diuers sortes and sexes Gentle-men Gentle-weomen and others did refufe openly to conforme themselues to that new change of Religion then made and published by authority of the said Queen at the beginning of her raigne will maruaile how and in what sense and whether in iest or earnest sleeping or waking M. Attorney set downe in writing so generall a negatiue assertion For that he shall see so many conuictions therof as there be particular witnesses of credit against him in that behalfe And truly it seemeth that either he was an infant or vnborne at that time and hath vnderstood little of those affaires since or els forgot himself much now in affirming so resolutely a proposition refutable by so infinite testimonyes 7. For if he looke but vpon Doctor Sanders Monarchy in latin in his 7. booke where he handleth the matters that fell out vpon the first change of religion in Queen Elizabeths dayes he shall find 14. Bishops at least of England only besides ten more of Ireland and Scotland togeather with Doctor Fecknam Abbot of VVestminster Father Maurice Chasey and VVilson Priors of the Carthusians 13. Deans of Cathedrall churches 14. Archdeacons 15. heads of Colledges almost 50. Chanons of Cathedrall churches aboue eightscore other Priests wherof diuers were Doctors or Bachlers of diuinity Ciuill and Canon-law depriued from their liuings and offering themselues either to voluntary banishment abroad or to imprisonment and disgrace at home for maintenance of Catholicke religion to omit all the rest of the lay sort both of the Nobility Gentry and others that stood openly to the defence of the same Religion All which did refuse to goe to the Protestant-seruice euen in those first dayes which is testimony inough to conuince the open and notorious falsity of M. Attorneys assertion that no person of what persuasion soeuer in Christian religion did at any time refuse to goe to Church though I deny not but that many other besides these throughout the Realme though otherwise Catholickes in heart as most then were did at that tyme and after as also now either vpon feare or lacke of better instruction or both repaire to Protestant-Churches the case being then not so fully discussed by learned men as after it was whether a man with good conscience may goe to the Church and seruice of a different Religion from his owne which releiueth little M. Attorneys affirmation And so this shall suffice for the first point 8. In the second point being no lesse notoriously vntrue then the first he offereth the said Catholickes much more iniury in affirming that vpon this occasion of the Bul of Pius quintus against Q. Elizabeth they first refused to goe to the Church as not holding her for true and lawfull Queene insinuating therby another consequence also much more false and malicious then this to wit that the same may be said and vnderstood of Recusant Catholickes at this day in respect of his Maiesty that now is But the vntruth of this assertion is most manifest both by that we haue shewed before that great multitudes of Catholickes refused euen from the beginning to goe to Protestant-Churches though then the matter was not much vrged against them as also by this other reason for that their holding the Queene for true or vnlawfull was and is impertinent to the matter of going to Church Nay their holding her for not Queen if any so did did rather disoblige then oblige them to this recusancy 9. The reason heerof is for that one principall cause binding them in conscience not to goe to the seruice of a different or opposite religion to their owne was the precept and commaundement giuen by the said Queene that all should repaire to the said seruice to shew their conformity c. For that the obeying of this precept in matters of religioÌ„ they offering themselues otherwise to goe to any Church for temporall matters was a kind of publike denying their owne faith As for example if in Persia at this day or other
Power and the author therof c. 2. n. 2. Power spirituall and temporall and the different endes therof cap 2. n. 3. 4. deinceps per totum caput Power spirituall of the Church and pastors therof cap. 3. n. 10. Power spirituall more eminent than temporall cap. 2. n. 19. Premunire and the first beginning of that law cap. 12. n. 11. Priuiledges and franquises of Churches and monasteryes procured from the Pope cap. 6. n. 37.38 deinceps Priuiledges of the Abbey of Euesham cap. 6. n. 42. Of the Abbey of S. Albans ibid. n. 43. Priuiledges of Glastenbury-Abbey from Rome cap 6. num 45. Priuiledges of VVestminster procured by K. Edward the Confessor cap. 6. num 47. Priuiledges of Ecclesiasticall men in temporall courtes cap. 7. n. 18. alibi saepissimè Promotion of strangers to Ecclesiasticall dignityes in England cap. 10. num 21. 22. cap. 11. num 36. The inconueniences therof to Englishmen ibidem Protestants doctrine condemned by K. Henry the 8. cap. 15. num 15. Prouisions against bribing at Rome cap. 13. n. 21. Prouisions of Ecclesiasticall liuinges in England made by the Pope c. 12. n. 5. The CoÌ„plaintes therof by Englishmen ibidem The continuance of the same in England cap. ibid. n. 9. AgreemeÌ„t therabout made betweene the Pope and the Kinge cap. ibid. n. 21. Q. Queene Eleanour Mother to K. Richard the first her iorney to Sicily cap. 9. num 29. Her returne by Rome and busines there with the Pope ibid. num â— Her complaintes and petition to Pope Celestinus ibid. num 39.40 41. Queene Elizabeths spirituall authority giuen her by Parlament cap. 3. num 3. 4. The inconueniences and absurdityes that follow therof ibid. n. 4. 5. 6. cap. 4. num 27. Her singularity in that point ibidem num 28. Her supremacy mistiked by Protestants Puritans cap. 4. num 41. 42. 43 44. 45. 46. 47. 48. Causes that moued her first to accept of the Supremacy cap. 15. num 35. 36. Her conferenâ—e vvith Syr Fran. Inglefield ibid. num 37. Item with the Count of Feria the Spanish Embassadour ibid. num â—â— Her protestation about the Real-presence in the Sacrament ibidem n 39. Her ConfereÌ„ce with Mounsieur Lansacke the French Embassadour ibidem num 41. Her owne inclination towards Catholicke Religion ibid num 42. How she vvas drawne to great extremes and cruelty against Catholicks cap. 15. num 43. Queene Mary her raigne cap. 15. n. 3â— Her restoring of Catholicke Religion in England cap. 15. num 31. 32. R. Reasons that shew william the Conrour to haue alwayes acknowledged the Sea of Rome cap. 7. num 8.9.10 deinceps Recourse to Rome presently after Englands Conuersion about Ecclesiasticall affaires cap. 6. num 10,11 12. Recourse to Rome by the Kinges of England and Scotland in their greatest Controuersyes cap. 11. num 44. Recusancy of Puritans and the first cause therof cap. 16. num 5. Recusancy of Catholickes from the beginning of Q. Elizabeth raigne cap. 16. num 7. Reformation of the English Clergy by King Henry the 7. cap. 14. num 15. Reliques sent to King Osway of NorthumberlaÌ„d by Pope Vitalianus c. 6. n. 24. ResignatioÌ„ of inuestitures by K. Henry the first cap. 8. num 14. Restraintes of exercising the Popes Authority in England and how the same vvere first made cap. 2. num 41. cap. 10. num 25. cap. 12. num 35. King Richard the first his raigne c. 9. num 22. 23. deinceps His misfortunes ibid. num 23. His behauiour and oath at his Coronation ibid. num 25. His voiage to Ierusalem ibid. num 26. 27. His kingdome commended to the Popes protection ibid num 27. His mother sent from Rome to Sicily ibid. num 30. His letter to Pope Clement the 3. ibid num 31. His captiuity in Austria ibid. num 38. K. Richard the second his disorders cause therof cap. 21. num 42. His confirmation of Church-libertyes ibid. num 43. His obedience to the Church-Censures ibid num 47. S. Sanctuary graunted by the Pope to S. Iohns Church in London cap. 14. num 9. Denyed by the temporall iudges ibid. num 10. Scruple of Conscience vrged vpon M. Attorney cap. 16. num 14. Sectaryes not any vvay compared to Catholickes vvhy c. 1. n. 13.14 15. Sectaryes their vayne comendation of Truth cap. 1. num 16. Singularity of knovvledge in heretickes cap. 1. num 5. 6. 7 Statute in Parlament for giuing spirituall authority to Q. Elizabeth cap. 3. num â— â—â— â— 19. The absurdityes that therof ensue ibid. num 5. 6. 7. num 19.20 21. 23. 24. Statutes of K. Henry the 3. in fauour of the Church cap. â—0 num 27. Statute of Merton made by K. Henry the 3. cap. 10. num 39. Statute of Bigamy anno 4. Edouardi 1. cap. 11. num 30. Statute of Carliele made in the raigne of King Edward the first c. 11. n. â—9 Statute against Lollards cap. 13 n. 22. 23. Statute for reformation of the Clergy cap. 14. num 15. K. Stephen his raigne ouer England cap. 8. num 25. His oath for the libertyes of the Church ibid. num 27. His inconstancy by euill counsaile ibid. num 28. His violence vsed against Clergy-men ibid. His citation and appearance before the Bishops ibid num 31. Stigand Archbishop of Canterbury deposed cap. 7. num 9. Strangers their promotions to Ecclesiasticall dignityes in England and inconueniences therof cap. 10. num 21. 22. 23. cap. 11. num 36. Remedyes sought therof from the Popes of those tymes ibid. num 38. Supremacy Ecclesiasticall not possibly in a woman cap. 4. num 26. 27. Supremacy assumed first by K. Henry the 8. cap. 15. num 13.14 15. Also by K. Edward the 6 ibid num 26. Item by Q. Elizabeth ibid. num 34.35 36. 37. Suppression of the kinghtes of the temple cap. 11. num 43. Synne of heresy how great and greiuous cap. 16. num 26 27. T Tenantes of the Church priuiledged  A straÌ„ge attempt to impugne Catholicke religion by Catholicke Princes lawes in EnglaÌ„d The importance of M. Attorneys Plea The singularity of M. Attorneyes paradox Ciâ— Tuscul q. 3. M. Attorney chalenged of his promise The Author promiseth all modesty in this answere M. Attorney bound in conscience and honour to enforme a nevv his Maiesty * M. Garnet M. Attorneyes ouerlashing in speech Math. 5. Math. 12 The Diuelâ—s sinnes in â—â—pting Adam M. Garnetts case Hovv things heard in confessioÌ„ may not be vttered by Catholick doctrine A partition not afterward performed M. Garnet an honest man by M. Attorneyes warrant M. Attorneyes wit in making a bloudy law to be a sweet lavv About Equiuocation About the antiquity vniuersality of the Protestant Church A straÌ„ge discourse of M Attorney about his Church * Many all 's A theologicall argumet for the Roman Church Mar. vltimo Iâ—an 14. 10. Mat. 10. 1 Timo. 3.
OF THE CONTROVERSY Discussed throughout this vvorks WHat is in the 〈…〉 in the 〈◊〉 yeare of 〈…〉 there is giuen 〈…〉 power and 〈…〉 as by any 〈…〉 hath 〈…〉 may lavvfully bee 〈…〉 did assigne 〈…〉 great Seale of England 〈…〉 diction whatsoeuer vvhich â—â— any manner â—pirituall 〈…〉 Authority or Iurisdiction can or may lavvfully be vsed to correct and 〈◊〉 errors heresies schismes abuses c. The question is Whether this authority and spirituall 〈…〉 to the ancient lawes of England in former times 〈…〉 were a Statute not introductory 〈…〉 lavv 〈…〉 only of an old so as if the said Act had neuer 〈◊〉 made yet the 〈…〉 that authority and might haue giuen it to others as 〈…〉 holdeth the affirmatiue part and the Catholicke 〈…〉 TO THE RIGHT VVORSHIPFVLL SYR EDVVARD COOKE KNIGHT His Maiesties Attorney generall SYR I had no sooner taken a sight of your last Booke entituled The fifth Part of Reportes vvhich vvas some number of monethes after the publication therof in England but there entred vvith the reading a certaine appetite of ansvvering the same and this vpon different motiues as vvell in regarde of your person and place abilitie and other circumstances depending theron as also of the subiect and argument it selfe vvhich yovv handled and manner held in handling therof to â—he greatest preiudice vvrong and disgrace of Catholickes and Catholicke religion that you could deuise And first in your person and place I considered your facultie and profession of the common lavves of our Realme your long standing and speciall preferment therin your experience and iudgemeÌ„t gathered thereby your estimation and credit in the Common-vvealth and your authority honour and riches ensuing thervpon all vvhich drevv me to the greater consideration of your Booke but principally your said profession of our Common temporall Municipall lawes vvhich science aboue all other next to Diuinitie it selfe doth confirme and conuince vnto the vnderstanding of an English-man the truth of the Catholicke Roman religion For so much as from our very first Christian Kings Queenes vvhich must nedes be the origen and beginning of all Christian common lavves in England vnto the raigne of King Henry the eight for the space of more then nyne hundred yeares all our Princes and people being of one and the selfe same Catholicke Roman religioÌ„ their lavves must needes be presumed to haue byn conforme to their sense and iudgment in that behalfe and our lavvyers to the lavves so as novv to see an English temporall lavvyer to come forth and impugne the said Catholicke religion by the antiquity of his Common-lavves throughout the tymes and raignes of the said Kings in fauour of ProtestaÌ„ts Lutheranes Caluinistes or other professors not knovvne in those dayes is as great a nouelty and vvonder as to see a Philosopher brought vp in Aristotles schole to impugne Aristotle by Aristotles learning in fauour of Petrus Ramus or any other such nevv aduersary or lately borne Antagonist Or as to behold an ancient Phisitian trayned vp in Galens tents to fight against Galen and Galenistes out of their ovvne bul-vvarkes or fortresses yea and this in ayde of Paracelsians or any other fresh crevv of Alchimian doctors vvhatsoeuer 3. This first consideration then of your person place and profession did inuyte me strongly to come and see vvhat you said in this behalfe but no lesse did the argumeÌ„t or subiect of your booke togeather vvith your maÌ„ner of treating the same of vvhich tvvo points I shall speake seuerally for that they haue seuerall ponderations all in my opinion both important rare and singular For vvhat more important matter can be thought of among ChristiaÌ„s then to treat of Spirituall Power Ecclesiasticall Authority being the kinges bench of Christ on earth the table of his scepter the tribunall of his dominion iurisdiction vvhereof dependeth the vvhole direction of soules the remission of our sinnes the efficacy of his Sacraments the lavvfulnes of all priesthoode and ministery the gouernment of the vvhole Church and finally the vigour frute effect of all Christian religion This is the importance of your argument M. Attorney and consider I pray you vvhether it standeth vs not much in hand to be attentiue vvhat you say and hovv substantially you pleade in this matter 4. And as for the other tvvo circumstances of rarenes and singularity vvhere may they more be seene then in this so vveighty a case conteyning the vvhole povver of the sonne of God both in heauen and earth for so much as belongeth to remission of sinnes and gouernement of his earthly inheritance vvhich is heere handled and ouer-ruled by a temporall lavvyer and by him giuen to a temporall Lady and Queene and this not only by force of a temporall Statute made in ParlameÌ„t to that effect the first yeare of her raigne vvhereby Ecclesiasticall Supremacy vvas ascribed vnto her but by the very vigour of her temporall crovvne it self vvithout any such Statute and by vertue of the ancient pretended Common-lavves of our Realme vvhich Common-lavves being made receaued introduced and established by Catholicke Kings and Queenes as hath byn said maketh the matter so strange and rare the vvonder admiration so great as neuer paradox perhaps in the vvorld seemed more rare singular in the eyes of Philosophers then this in the iudgement of learned Deuines And vvho then vvould not be allured vvith this singular nouelty to search somvvhat after the depth of so nevv deuised a mystery 5. After this ensueth as considerable your methode manner of handling this subiect vvhich to me seemeth nothing vulgar and consequently to you and 〈…〉 particularitâ—es 〈…〉 ‑ cero That yo◠〈…〉 uersies and 〈…〉 forth All that 〈…〉 grâ—â—e repâ—â—â—â—◠〈…〉 your side 〈…〉 vse your 〈…〉 the truth for 〈…〉 modesty and 〈…〉 7. All thâ—â—â—â—hin 〈…〉 encourage 〈…〉 reuievv o◠〈…〉 hope to my 〈…〉 modesty and 〈…〉 so much comm 〈…〉 ued and intenâ—â—◠〈…〉 cleere face 〈…〉 in your 〈…〉 you vvill doe 〈…〉 ‑ cile cedes 〈…〉 your self â—â— the 〈…〉 animo digâ—â—â—â—◠〈…〉 se sua spoâ—te 〈…〉 in deed to confessâ—◠〈…〉 fortitude but 〈…〉 ner goeth grea◠〈…〉 soules neuer-dying 〈…〉 â—e accompted our highest interest for that the â—uestion novv in hand betvveene you and me â—oÌ„cerneth the same most neerly as in the sequent â—reface vvill more largelie appeare â— Novv only I am to say promise also on my â—ehalfe that I meane to proceed in the prosecuâ—ion of this vvorke according to your foresaid â—rescriptions of truth temperance modesty and vrâ—anity and this both in center and circumference â—s neere as I can and if necessity at anie time or â—pon anie occasion shall enforce me to be more earnest it shall be rather in the matter it self then against the man I meane your self vvhose person and place I shall alvvaies haue in devv regard though I may not omit to tell you that in some partes of your booke especially tovvardes the end
thereof you vvax so vvarme in your accusations against Catholickes Catholicke religion vvhich your progenitors and auncestors did so highly reuerence honour and esteeme as the indignity thereof and the leuity and open vntruth of the cauillations calumniations themselues for so in deed they are to be accompted rather then graue accusations did enkyndle in me some extraordinary heat for their reiection and depulsion as you vvil see in the places themselues but especially in the last chapter of my expostulations against you 9. Out of vvhich I must here againe repeat one thing briefly vvhich there I haue more at large declared and more earnestly vrged to vvit the obligation you haue both in honour and conscience according to the rules of all true Christian diuinitie to enforme rightlie his Maiesty in certayne pointes vvherin your self being at that time deceaued misinformed also his highnes at the first presentation of your Booke vnto him if my information thereof be true And for that the point it self is of very great consequence and that the misconceat or vvrong impression of his Maiesty maâ—e be to the great preiudice of manie of his dutifull subiectes I am the more earnest to vrge this obligation vpon you especiallie for that I vnderstand that since the edition of your booke you haue in a certayne publicke Act solemne assemblie and most honorable auditorie repeated againe and auouched the said iniurious assertion concerning Catholickes that their Recusancy began vpon disloyaltie by occasion of the excommunication of Q. Elizabeth by Pope Pius Quintus vpon the eleuenth yeare of her raigne and for that cause and not before nor vpon anie other motiue 10. VVhich iniurious charge though it vvere sufficientlie refuted there in presence by the prisoner at the barre to the satisfaction of al indifferent people that might easilie descrie your passion â—â—erin yet haue I shevved the same more at length â—â— my said last Chapter of this booke vvhich I â—ould vvish you had read before so confidentlie â—ou had repeated the same charge againe in the â—â—id assemblie auouching vpon your fidelitie and â—â—ervpon challeÌ„ging anie Recusant vvhatsoeuer â—â—at noe Catholicke or other refused to repaire to our seruice vntill the said eleuenth yeare of the Queenes raigne but I haue shevved out of puâ—licke testimonies that you ar deceaued therin â—â—at both manie Catholickes Puritanes vvere â—pen Recusants before that yeare and neither of â—â—em vpoÌ„ that cause vvhich you suggest so you â—â—e hovv farre your fidelitie vvhich you pavvne â—or the matter maie hereby come in question â—â— I could further put you in mind of manie â—ther ouerlashing speaches tending to the hurte â—nd daÌ„mage yea bloud and death also of diuers â—sed by you in that great assemblie if I thought â—ou vvould take it frendlie and helpe your self â—â—ereby to the right examen of your conscience â—etvvene God and you vvhen you are alone as â—atholicke doctrine teacheth men to doe espeâ—â—ally of iniurious vvordes against their brethren â—herof our Sauiour Christ in S. Mathewes ghospel â—ronouÌ„ceth so seuere a sentence as he appointeth â—oth iudgment counsaile hel fyre for punishmeÌ„t of the same and addeth further that no idle word shall passe from vs whereof we shall not giue accompt in the day of iudgement and if not idle vvordes hovv much lesse slaunderous calumnious and infamatory vvhereof you vsed store against manie innocent men that day especially against Fa Garnet and his ovvne Order of Iesuites vvherof some I may not pretermit in this place 12. You said at the very first entrance vnto your speach in that place that you vvould speake of nothing but of the late most horrible treason vvhich for distinctioÌ„s sake you vvould call the Iesuits treason For if it be iust saie you that euery thing be called by the name of the Author then seing the Iesuits haue byn the Authors of this treason you vvould not doe them the iniurie to take from them anie thing vvhich is theirs or to miscall anie thing vvhich appertayneth properlie to them especiallie seing in euery crime plus peccat auctor quà m actor the author is more culpable and blame-vvorthie then the actor as is apparent by the example saie you of Adam Eue and the Serpent where the Serpent for that it was the first author of that attempt committed three sinns Eua that was tempted two sinns and Adam that was the chiefest actor but one sinne This vvas your eloquence at that time I doubt not but that the learned prisoner standing at the barre vvhome you othervvise so highlie commended for this talents if other cirâ—umstances had giuen him leaue could haue smiâ—ed at your exact enumeratioÌ„ of the diuells sinnes vvho yet for that it is not read that he did eate â—nie of the apple vvith Adam and Eue it is like you vvould be much troubled to finde out his three â—eueral sinnes in that matter if you vvere put vnto â—he proofe and you knovv vvhat our common â—aying is That it is a shame to bely the Diuell 13. But to leaue this point to be discussed betvveene you I must needes saie that you offer the Iesuites an apparent iniurie in making this last â—reason so proper and peculiar to them as that you vvill needes haue it called the Iesuites treason â—nd they to be the principall Authors vvhereas notvvithstanding vvhen all came to all no other â—hing I vveene vvas proued against them but â—hat the prisoner there present had receaued only a simple notice of that treason by such a meanes as he could not vtter and reueale againe by the lavves of Catholicke doctrine that is to saie in Confession and this but a very fevv daies before the discouerie but yet neuer gaue anie consent helpe hearkening approbation or cooperation to the same but contrari-vvise sought to dissuade dehorte and hinder the designment by all the meanes he could 14. And is this sufficient M. Attorney to laie the denomination of this foule fact vpon the vvhole order of Iesuites that one of them or tvvo at the most knevv thereof by such a vvaie as probablie they could not auoid or preuent the knovvledge not fore-seeing vvhat he penitent vvould confesse and once hauing heard it in that manner remained bound by the inuiolable seale of that Sacrament not to vtter the same but in such manner as the confitent should allovv of though neuer so great temporall dammage vvere imminent for the concealement And this is the sacred band of a Catholicke priestly conscience much like to that of Angells vvho though they knovv manie great hurtes or dangers to hang ouer kingdomes States Common vvealthes or particuler men be desirous out of their loue to mankinde to preuent the same yet are they not free to reueale vvhat they knovv thereof in regarde of anie future good or hurt vvhatsoeuer but onlie vvhere they are permitted and licenced in particular yet ar they not iustlie to be accompted accessarie to the euills
that fal out much lesse authors of the same for their silence or not reuealing as in this case of the Iesuits you labour to inferre 15. But in truth Sir it seemeth that you attended more to the art of Oratory then to the coherence of Truth in that your speach for that presentlie after your former vvordes you added these for the beginning of your declamatioÌ„ In this discourse I will speake saie you of no other circumstances but of treason and of no other treasons but the Iesuits treaâ—ons of no other Iesuits treasons but such as shal parâ—iculerly concerne this prisoner VVherin notvvithâ—taÌ„ding verie soone after contradicting your self you brought in a long discourse of the antiquity â—nd inuisibilitie of your Church as also of Equiâ—ocation and manie other things vvhich are no â—ircumstances of treason You handled also of â—he Northerne Earles Excommunication of the Queeene and diuers other such things as hapâ—ened before the Iesuits came into England and â—onsequentlie could be no Iesuits treasons And vvhen you come to treat of the prisoner himâ—elf and to proue him a traitor you begin vvith â— Statute set forth in the 23. yeare of the late Queenes raigne vvhich made all Iesuits and other Pristes traitors that came into England or remained in the same and consequentlie concerned not the prisoner in such speciall maÌ„ner as you vvould seeme to promise or if it did yet manie other things you bring in and handle as that of Lopus the Ievv VVilliams York Squier Colen partlie Protestants and partliâ— Catholickes vvho vvhatsoeuer their causes vvere vvherof somvvhat shal be spoken after yet touched they nothing at all that prisoner vvho yet neuer dealt vvith them nor euer vvas accused concerning them VVherevpon is inferred that no one of your three-fold members before mentioned vvas performed by you to vvit that you would speake of no other circumstances but of treason and of no other treasons but of Iesuits treasons of no other Iesuits treasons but such as should particulerly concerne the prisoner at the barre 16. But this defect I suppose that all your auditorie did not obserue by reason of the multitude of other tumultuary matters dravvne in by you against the said prisoner but yet your Rhetoricke in amplifying one point about the first lavv alleadged against the comming in of Priests and Iesuitts vvas so markeable as no man I thinke vvas so dull as did not obserue it and beare it avvay To vvit that vvhereas the said lavv did forbid all Priests vnder paine of death and treason not to come into England or execute anie parte of their priestlie function vvithin the Realme as to preach teach offer sacrifice heare Confessions absolue from sinnes reconcile to God and to the vnion of his Catholicke Church dissuade from sects and heresies and other like offices you in commendation of that lavv protested to proue it to be the most myldest law the sweetest law the law most full of mercy and pitty that euer was enacted by any Prince so iniuriously prouoked And you added in the heat of your eloquence that if you proued â—ot this then let the vvorld saie That Garnet is an honest man VVhich vvas a vvarraÌ„t to al the hearers up hold him for such for so much as no man vvas there so simple but savv it impossible for you to â—roue that assertion and consequentlie that in all their hearings you canonized his honesty â—â— For hovv did you go about to proue M. Attorâ—â—y that this lavv was so myld so ful of pitty lenity â—or sooth for that you saie the meaning was by keeâ—ing Priests of and expelling those that were within to â—â—are their bloud though if they retyred not to spill it â—magine that then if in Queene Maryes dayes for â—xample such a lavv had byn made against Proteâ—tant-Ministers that came from Geneua and other â—laces of Germany vvould you M. Attorney haue â—eemed that lavv a gentle law a sweet myld law a â—aw ful of mercy pitty clemeÌ„cy I presume you dare â—ot saie it But let vs vse an other example of much â—ore moment If in the Apostles time such a lavv â—ad byn made by anie King or Emperour of conâ—rarie religion to them that if anie of the said Apostles or Priests for so they vvere should enter â—nto their dominions to preach a contrarie doâ—trine to the religion there receaued and establisâ—ed and to exercise anie of their Apostolicall or Priestlie functions it should be treason and paine of death could this be called a myld law a sweet lavv a lavv ful of pitty compassion a lavv made for not spilling their bloud or vvould or could the Apostles or their follovvers haue obeyed this lavv or did they obey the Gouernours of the Ievves othervvise their lavvfull Superiours vvhen they coÌ„manded them to preach no more in the name of Christ or to disperse Christian doctrine vvhich they called seditious or to reconcile anie to Christian religion vvhich they held for treason or did they flie though Princes Emperours aftervvardes by publicke Edicts did commaund them out of their dominions or is there not another bloud to be respected called by the Prophet the bloud of the soule vvhereof the Pastor shall be guiltie if he flie for feare or forsake his flocke in time of daunger and persecution is not all this so or can it be denyed or haue not English Priests the same obligation of conscience to help their CouÌ„trey and countrymen in spirituall necessities as had the Apostles and Apostolicke men to strangers for vvhose helpe yet they vvere content to offer their liues and incurre anie daunger vvhatsoeuer VVherefore M. Attorney to speake a truth if you deale vvith men of vnderstanding it is but fond and if of Christian courage it is but trifling eloquence all that in this point you haue vsed about the myldnes svveetnes mercy and compassion of this cruell and bloudy lavv of Queene Elizabeth Children maie be delighted and deâ—uded vvith such bables but vvise-men doe laugh at them 18. Concerning the other heads of doctrine vvhich pleased you to handle in this arraignemeÌ„t â—t the barre vvith no small ostentation of vvorâ—es as being in your ovvne Center namelie Of the Antiquity of your Church Equiuocation and some â—ther such points as they vvere not much ad rem in that assemblie busines so could your friends â—aue vvished that either you had omitted them alâ—ogeather or handled them more substantiallie or as for Equiuocation or mentall reseruation of a â—â—ne sense in a doubtful speach it seemeth plainlie â—â—at you vnderstaÌ„d not the QuestioÌ„ nor the meaâ—ing vvhich both ancient and moderne learned â—en haue in holding that true and necessarie â—octrine no marueile for tâ—at it hath not byn I â—â—inke your educatioÌ„ to be troubled much vvith scrupulositie of vvordes to vvit vvhat sense maie â—e held therin vvithout sinne vvhat not the â—â—amen of vvhich matters belong to more tender â— timerous coÌ„sciences then Kings
other place De torrente in via bibit propterea exaltauit caput and infinite other throughout all the nevv and old testament spoken literallie of Christ and yet by allusion applied to good men as the ancient Fathers doe testifie in their vvorkes applying to the members oftentimes that vvhich belongeth principallie to the head so as herein M. Attorneyes haires needed not to stand vpon end nor trouble themselues or their maister neither vvas it nedefull that M. Attorney should praie for M Garnet to repent himself of this blasphemie vvhich vvas none at all before he dyed God graunt Syr Edward Cooke be in state to make so cleere and easy an accompt at his departure from this vvorld as the other vvas vvhich hardlie maie be hoped considering their great difference of life functions except God vvorke a miracle or that solifidian iustification doe enter for smoothing of all vvhich maketh all men equall and equallie saincts 42. But to dravve to an end one of your last triumphant speeches touching all Iesuits vvas that they vvere Doctors of foure different doctrines the one of dissimulation the second of deposing Princes the third of disposing of Kingdomes the last of deterring Princes with feare of excommunications and of all foure you discoursed vvith great resolution and peremptorie determination vvel assuring your self that none in that place should haue meanes to ansvvere you though there vvanted not manie vvho out of their discretions did note vvhere and hovv you might haue byn ansvvered vvith no small aduantage as perhaps you may be hereafter more at large vpon some other occasion 43. Novv onlie I thought good to put you in mind that these and other your discourses founded commonlie vpon diuisions and little concerning the prisoner or matter in hand vvere noted and borne avvaie and this among the rest vvas obserued that you vvere more fertile in setting dovvne diuisions then fruitfull aftervvard in prosecuting the same yet in the last parte of this four-fold partition about terrifying Princes with excommunications you flovving novv vvith full sea tovvardes the end of your accusations men saie that you insulted greatlie ouer Catholicke religion brought forth a booke of your ovvne compyling to vvit your Reportes pretending to shevv out of the same that our English Kings in former ages were nothing afrighted with the idle menaces of Papall excommunications that one was condemned of high treason for bringing in a Bull against a subiect without the Kings licence that the King was neuer reputed subiect to any Pope in Ecclesiasticall matters but that himself was absolute how the Popes Legates were often times stayed at Calles vntill the King had giuen them licence to come into England vvith manie other such points partlie true partlie false partlie impertinent to the matter partlie prouing de facto and not de iure partlie misalleadged partly miscōstred but altogeather misapplyed to the disgrace of that religion for vvhose seruice al your lavves in those times ages vvere instituted and honoured yet you protested in that vaunting vaine of yours that you were exceeding glad to see your moderne religion in this point so agreable to the ancient lawes of the Realme which lawes quoth you if they were exactly looked into would restraine our Romish Catholickes for growing any further as you hoped they would be 44. But Sir hovv little ground of truth or substance all this hath in it hovv contrary effectes the devv cōsideration of our English lavves may must needes vvorke in the mindes of al discreet men tovvardes the setling of a stable iudgement and firme persuasion in fauour of Catholicke religion in that the said lavves proceeded al from Catholicke Princes though alvvaies I except such as doe frame their iudgement to the current of the present time doe subordinate their vnderstanding to their vvealth and honours this I saie shal aftervvardes be so euidentlie declared in this Answere of ours throughout the vvhole booke as no mā I suppose vvith any indifferēcy or probability of reasō shal be able to deny or cōtradict the same 45. And in particular the Reader shall see refuted the seuerall members by you heere set dovvne as namelie hovv great and harty reuerence and respect our Catholicke Kings did euer beare vnto Ecclesiasticall Censures not onlie of the Pope as supreme but of their ovvne home-Bishopps also and that no King in all that ranke for almost a thousand yeares did euer hold himself absolute in Ecclesiasticall povver vntill King Henry the eight and that it cannot be true vvhich heere elsvvhere you so much bragg of bring forth vpon euery occasion as the archer that had but one arrovv in his quiuer that vvould fly hovv that in the raigne of King Edward the first it was treason by the common-law for a subiect to bring in and publish a Bull from Rome against a subiect without the Kings licence vvhich is your first obiection in that Kings life and ansvvered by me after in the eleuenth Chapter of this booke 46. And as for the obiection of the Popes Legats or Nuntij detained somtimes by the Kings order at Calles from entering the Realme vntill some difference betvvene Popes and Kings vvere accorded though it be so vveake a thing as deserueth no ansvvere yet haue I ansvvered the same vpon diuers occasions and shevved amongst other that by this argument if it vvere good King Philip and Queene Mary might be said not to haue acknovvledged the Pope his spirituall authoritie for that they deteined in Calles the messenger of Paulus Quartus vvhen he brought the Cardinalls hat and Legacy of England for Friar Peto in preiudice of Cardinall Poole vvhich the said Princes vvould not suffer to be put in execution vntill they had better informed the said Pope vpon vvhich information their intercession the controuersie ceased 47. Much other matter I doe vvillinglie pretermit M. Attorney vvhich you vttered that daie in contempt derogation of that religion vvherby all your progenitors yea all the Peeres and Princes of our Realme in precedent ages thought themselues both happie and honourable and if they had imagined that in future times an Attorney vvould haue stept vp to raile and reuile that religion calling it rotten and contemptible them all blind and deceaued people vvhat an opinion thinke you vvould they haue fore-stallen of you and hovv base and odious a conceit vvould they haue preconceaued against you especiallie if they had seene you as others did that stood neere so caried avvaie vvith hereticall humour as to vvander and range and runne from your matter in your pleading to seeke occasion of insolent tauntes against them in such sort as your vvhole subiect by your ovvne confession being of treason the most of your inuectiue speach vvas against their religion 48. For vvhich cause I thought my self bound to saie somevvhat in this behalfe principallie to that vvhich is proper to the argument of your late booke of Reportes heere
by me ansvvered For as for the other parte concerning treason and the vvhole Act of the late arraignement about the same I haue of purpose forborne to speake as vvell for that it is a matter not appertayning to my facultie as also in regarde of the devv respect I beare both vnto the lavves and customes of my countrie my Princes person and the honour of that great assemblie in all vvhich I haue nothing to complaine of all hauing passed by order but onlie of your extrauagant excursions to confoūd religion and treason togeather nay to make religion the fountaine of treason and therby to inuolue vvithin the hatred of treason all those that by conscience are tyed to that religion be they neuer so innocent than vvhich there can be no greater iniquitie imagined 49. VVith M. Garnets particular cause I vvill not meddle in this place he is gone to his last Iudge before vvhome also you and others that haue had parte in the handling therof must finallie appeare to see confirmed or reuersed vvhatsoeuer hath passed in that affaire As for that vvhich you others so often vrged against him to confesse that he vvas lavvfullie condemned by the tēporal lavv of the land importeth little for the impayring of his innocencie before almighty God You knovv vvho said in a farre vveightier cause concerning the tryal of our Sauiour himself VVe haue a law and according to this law he ought to dy for that he hath made himselfe the sonne of God and their error vvas not so much in the obiect as in the subiect for as for the lavv it self vve fynd it in Leuiticus that blasphemie vvhereof the highest degree vvas for a man to make himself God vvas punishable by death but the subiect to vvit the person of our Sauiour vvas mistaken they esteeming him to be onlie man vvhereas they ought to haue knovvne that he vvas God and man as vvell in respect of the predictions of al the Prophets foretelling that Christ should be the sonne of God as also of his stupendious actions that proued him to be trulie Christ so as though the lavv alleadged by the Ievves against blasphemie blasphemers vvere true and in force of it self yet held it not in the person of Christ but vvas in the highest degree iniurious as all Christian-men must confesse 50. Let vs see then hovv from this case of the maister some light may be dravvne to that of his scholler and seruant You M. Attorney pleaded against him as the Ievves Attorneyes did against our Sauiour and said Nos legem habemus c. vve haue a lavv that vvhosoeuer reuealeth not treason by such a space shall be accessarie of treason and dy as a traytor nor do vve deny the lavv or complaine thereof but yet if this case vvere pleaded in a forrayne Catholicke countrie vvhere the prisoner also shoulde haue his Attorney allovved him he vvould saie on the other side Nos legem habemus superiorem Ecclesiasticam Diuino iure intentam qua sacerdos neque mori neque puniri debet ob proditionem sub confessionis figillo cognitam non reuelatam vve haue a contrarie lavv to vvit an Ecclesiasticall and spirituall lavv higher then your temporall and a lavv founded on the lavv of God vvhereby it is ordeyned that a Priest shal neither dy nor be punished nor be accompted traytor for treason discouered vnto him vnder the seale of confession and not by him reuealed nay he shal be punished that most grieuouslie if he doe for anie cause reueale the same 51. And this plea of the prisoners Attorney vvhich by Catholicke doctrine and schooles is easilie proued in all the partes or members heere set dovvne vvould presentlie haue bene admitted in all Catholicke Countries and Courtes and in ours also vvhiles our Kings and people vvere of that religion and your temporall lavv vvould haue byn put to silence Oh you vvill saie but novv it is othervvise and vve care not for your Ecclesiasticall lavv VVherevnto I ansvvere Veritas autem Domini manet in aeternum If this lavv be foūded in Gods truth vvas left vnto his Church by Christ himself the fountaine of al truth for the honour and defence of his Sacrament of Confessiō as al ancient diuinitie doth affirme then must it for euer endure immutable and novv and then heere and there this countrie and that countrie this and that alteration of religion or Princes temporall lavves must not alter the case or substance of truth either in Gods sight or vvise mens eyes and so M. Garnets case dying for this truth in England novv is no vvorse then if he had dyed a thousand yeares gone for the same either in England or any other Cath. countrey that is to say he dying only for the bare cōcealing of that vvhich by Gods and the Churches Ecclesiastical lavvs he could not disclose giuing no cōsent or cooperation to the treasō it self should haue byn accōpted rather a martyr then a traytor no lesse novv 52. VVhich being so cōsider I besech you M. Attorney vvhat a different reckoning there is like to be betvveene you tvvo at your next meeting in iudgement you knovv somvvhat by experience hovv dreadful a thing the forme of publicke iudgement is but not so much as some others for that hitherto it hath byn stil your lot to be actor not reus predominant both in vvordes povver and consequently terrible nothing terrifyed but vvhen the time and case shal come vvherof the holie-ghost foretelleth vs Stabunt iusti in magna constantia aduersus eos qui se angustiauerunt Iust men that vvere ouerborne in this vvorld shal stand vp boldly vvith great constancy against those that ouerbare them and vvhen the saying of our Sauiour shal be fulfilled that euery man shal receaue be treated according to the measure wherby he hath measured to others then vvil be the day of woe neither doe I say this M Attorney to condemne your office I knovv that in all tymes vnder all Princes your office of Fiscal-Aduocate or Attorney hath byn in vse for the Princes seruice and good also of the Common-vvealth if it be vvell and moderatelie vsed but yet I cannot but friendlie put you in mind of that vvhich holie S. Gregory doth admonish vvhere he handleth the cause and reasons vvhy S. Peter S. Andrew S. Iames and S. Iohn retourned to their art of fishing after the Resurrection of our Sauiour but not S. Matthew to his Custom-hovvse to vvit that certaine artes and occupations there are more dangerous farre the one then the other as more subiect and incident to greater sinnes 53. In vvhich kinde trulie Sir if any office in the vvorld be daungerous in deed yours may be accompted in the highest degree that hath euery day almost his finger in bloud or in particular mens afflictions and ouerthrovves And albeit the act of iustice be laudable necessarie yet the Actor
Church and Church-men § 2. pag. 165. The first Instance of M. Attorney taken out of the raigne of K. William the Conquerour refuted § 3. pag. 169. Of King William Rufus and Henry the first that were the Conquerours sonnes and of K. Stephen his nephew And how they agreed with the said Conquerour in our Question of Spiritual Iurisdiction acknowledged by them to be in others and not in themselues Chap. VIII pag. 176. Of King Henry the first who was the third King after the Conquest § 1. pag. 180. Of the raigne of King Stephen the fourth King after the Conquest § 2. pag. 189. Of the Raigne of K. Henry the second great Grand-child to the Conquerour the fifth King after the Conquest with his two sonnes K. Richard and K. Iohn and their comformityes in this Controuersy Chap. IX pag. 196. Of the Raigne of K. Richard the first the sixt King after the Conquest § 2. pag. 208. Of the Raigne of K. Iohn who was the seauenth King after the Conquest § 3. pag. 222. Of King Henry the third that was the eight King after the Conquest and the first that left Statutes wrytten And what M. Attorney alleadgeth out of him for his purpose Chap. X. pag. 232. Two Instances alleadged out of the raigne of K. Henry the third by M. Attorney and of what weight they be § 1. pag. 245. Of the liues and raignes of K. Edward the first and second Father and Sonne And what Arguments M. Attorney draweth from them towards the prouing of his purpose Chap. XI pag. 256. Of K. Edward the first who was the nynth King after the Conquest § 1. pag. 257. Of King Edward the second which was the tenth King after the Conquest § 2. pag. 278. Of King Edward the third and K. Richard the second his nephew and successour And vvhat Instances or Arguments M. Attorney dravveth from their tvvo raignes vvhich continued betvveene them for seauenty yeares Chap. XII pag. 285. M. Attorneyes obiections out of the raigne of K. Edward the third aforesaid § 1. pag. 292. Of the raigne of K. Richard the second the tvveluth King after the Conquest § 2. pag. 308. Of the three King Henryes of the house of Lancaster the fourth fifth and sixth vvho raigned for the space of threescore yeares And vvhat is obserued out of their raignes concerning our Controuersy vvith M. Attorney Chap. XIII pag. 312. Instances alleadged by M. Attorney out of the raigne of K. Henry the fourth vvho vvas the thirteenth King after the Conquest § 1. pag. 315. Out of the raigne of K. Henry the fifth that vvas the fourteenth King after the Conquest § 2. pag. 322. Out of the Raigne of K. Henry the sixt the fifteenth King after the Conquest § â— pag. 326. Of the Raigne of fâ—ure ensuing Kinges to vvit Edward the fourth Edward the fifth Richard the third and Henry the seauenth And hovv confoâ—me they vvere vnto their Ancestors in this point of Controuersy vve haue in hand Chap. XIIII pag. 328. Iâ—stâ—nces out of the Raigne of K. Edward the fourth the sixteenth King after the Conquest § 1. pag. 331. Out of the Râ—igne of K. Henry the seauenth vvho vvas the nynteenth King after the Conquest § 2. pag. 337. Of the Raigne of K. Henry the eight and of his three Children King Edward Queâ—ne Mary and Queene Elizabeth And hovv the first innouatiâ—n thout Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction vvas made and continued in their daies Châ—p XV. pag. 341. The ansvvere to certayne Instances of M. Attorney out of the Raigne of K. Henry the eight § 2. pag. 351. Of King Edward the six the one and tvventith King after the Conquest § 3. pag. 357. Of the Raigne of Queene Mary the tvvo and tvventith Princesse after the Conquest § 4. pag. 359. Of the Raigne of Queene Elizabeth vvho vvas the three and tvventith Princesse after the Conquest and last of K. Henryes race § 5. pag. 361. Certaine Expostulations vvith M. Attorney about euill preceeding iniuryes offered to diuers sortes of men in this his booke of Reportes especially to â—ards the end therof Togeather with the Conclusion of the whole worke Chap. XVI pag. 368. The first expostulation in the behalfe of Recusant-Catholickes of England grieuâ—â—sly iniured by M. Attorney § 1. pag. 369. The second Expostulation in the behalfe of all English Catholickes in generall § 2. pag. 376. The third Expostulation in the name of all moderate and peace-louing subiects whatsoâ—uer § 3. pag. 384. An Index or Table of the particular matters conteyned in the vvhole worke THE PREFACE TO THE READER Concerning the weight and importance of this our Controuersie wherby may be resolued whatsoeuer is in question between men of different Religions at this day in England ALBEIT the moment and vtility of that we haue in hand discreet Reader will best be seene by perusall of the Treatise it self and by thy iudicious consideration therof yet for thy better encouragement to this labour and to stirr thee vp to more attention herin I haue thought good to touch some points in generall at this first entrance remitting the larger and more particular declaration therof vnto that which is to ensue throughout the whole discussion of the Controuersie 2. First then to pretermit the whole view of our English Christian antiquities which heer by fit and necessarie occasion is searched laid open togeather with the liues and laws gouerment and Religion of all our Christian Kings both before and after the Conquest This one point seemeth to me to be of most moment for the present that wheras vnder the raigne of Queen Elizabeth about whome principallie is our question three sortes of Religion did stand vp striue togeather and doe vnto this day the Protestant the Puritane â—nd the Catholicke their whole contention seemeth to mee to ly within the limits of this Controuersie moued by M. Attorney about Q. Elizabeths spirituall iurisdiction and that out of the same the whole may easily be determined as presentlie you shall see 3. For wheras there are two principall partes of any Religion whatsoeuer the one doctrine or precepts for instruction the other power and authoritie for direction and gouerment albeit the first be the ground and foundation wheron to buyld and worke yet is the second that which giueth life and motion to the former and must try and iudge the same for that in euery religion or societie of men professing one and the self same faith those that are the cheife meÌ„bers therof presumed to â—aue principal power and spiritual iurisdiction therin are they that must authorize discerne and iustifie the doctrine therof to their followers For as S. Augustine said in â—is daies to the Manichies that pressed him to beleeue certaine thinges out of the scripture in their sense That he vvould not beleeue the ghospell it self to be the ghospel except the authority of the Chuch did moue him thervnto that is to say the cheife gouernours of the
were permitted to the people by the Apostles themselues for their comforte and encouragement but that the parties so chosen had receiued their authority spiritual iurisdiction from the Apostles themselues And the like is answered for the times ensuing wherin the Bishops did oftentimes permit the said electios to the people for their greater cōtentment consolation in those daies of persecutiō to choose nominate for their Bishop Pastor the man whom they best liked who afterward was inuested cōsecrated by the said Bishops notwithstāding tooke his iurisdiction and spirituall power from them to whom properly that power and authoritie belonged to ordaine both Bishops and Priests as we see the Apostles themselues did euerie where and gaue the like authoritie to others ordained by them As we read that S. Paul hauing made Titus Bishop of Creta gaue him order also to ordaine vt cōstituas per ciuitates presbyteros sicut ego disposui tibi That thou ordaine Priests for Citties as I haue appointed thee 9. The Catholickes for their groūd haue this That Bishops only Priests were made spirituall gouernous of Christs Church by Christ himself and so continued vader Infidel Emperours for three hundered yeares togeather vntill the time of Constantine the great that was first conuerted as afterward more largely will be shewed in due place and that this authoritie is to continue in lawfull succession of Bishops by ordination and imposition of hands vntill the worlds end And that neither temporall Prince can haue this except he be also Priest and receiued it by the same ordinary way of ordination and succession whereof Q. Elizabeth was not capable and much lesse the common people except only by permission to elect and nominate as hath byn said wherof ensueth that if they haue not this spirituall authority in themselues much lesse can they giue it to others And thus according to the Catholickes iudgment doe faile the grounds both of the Protestant and Puritan in this great affaire and failing in this doe faile in all the rest for that of this dependeth all as before hath byn said 10. For if in their Religions there be no true authoritie spirituall or iurisdiction deriued by ordinarie means and succession from Christ then are they awry in all nor haue they any true authority to preach administer Sacraments absolue or bind from sinnes iudge of doctrine determine or decree of any spirituall action whatsoeuer nor are they within the compasse of Christs Church or state of saluation as by necessarie consequence doth ensue and the like of the Catholickes if they in this point be amisse 11. And herby we may see the importance now of this controuersie between M. Attorney and me as also their shallow vnderstāding if they speake as they thinke or rather malicious folly if they doe not who affirme euery where in their bookes against Catholickes that Protestants and Puritanes are but onlie iarring-brethren and reconcilable between themselues and that their differences are not in principall points of Religion but in certaine lesser things and ceremonies For that this being indeed not onlie so substantiall a point of doctrine as before you haue heard but containing also the whole second part of Religion before mentioned to wit all that belongeth to power authoritie gouernement and iurisdiction by which Religion hath her life vertue force and efficacy It is easily seen how vaine and false or rather ridiculous and pernicious the other assertion is and if we well enter into the examination of particulars we shall easilie see the same 12. For suppose for examples sake that the Protestants ground be true that all spirituall iurisdiction force and efficacie therof came vnto their Church in Queene Elizabeths time by her and from her out of the Right of her Crowne that the Puritanes ground be false who pretend the same from the people I meane from their owne Congregations Classes Presbyteries for no other gaue it them what followeth of all this No doubt it must needs follow by manifest consequence of truth that the Puritanes haue no authoritie or spirituall iurisdiction in the Church of God at all nor are lawfull Pastors but vsurpers and intruders and that they entred not by the doore as Christ saith but by other means that is to saie not by the ordinarie doore of lawfull vocation ordination and succession of Priesthood Of which doore the Apostle S. Paul made such high accompt as hauing set downe that vninersal proposition to the Hebrews Nec quisquam sumit sibi honorem sed qui vocatur a Deo tanquam Aâron That no man taketh vnto him the honour of being a Bishop or Priest but he that is called by God therevnto as Aâron was in the old law After this I saie he passeth on to proue that Christ himself the sonne of God tooke not this honour of high Priesthood vpon him but by the publike testimonie of his said Fathers vocation set downe by the Prophet Dauid manie hundred years before he was borne Tu es sacerdos in aeternum secūdum ordinem Melchisedech Thou art a Priest for euer after the order of Melchisedech and not of Aâron And according to this high order of Melchisedech that was both King and Priest and whose sacrifice was not of beasts and birds as those of Aâron but of bread and wyne onlie to prefigurate the most pure and holie sacrifice that Christian Priests were to offer afterward to the worldes end of the body and bloud of Christ in like formes of bread and wyne as all ancient Fathers doe expound it Of this order I say Christ being high Priest made all his Apostles Priests and they others after them and they others againe by the ordinarie way of ordination imposition of hands and succession which hath endured from their time to ours and shall from ours vntill the day of iudgement 13. And this ordinarie doore so called by Christ our Sauiour of entring into spirituall authoritie and iurisdiction ouer his flocke is of such high esteeme and importance that as the first generall doore wherby a man must enter to be a sheep in the said flocke to wit Baptisme is a Sacrament not reiterable and so absolutelie necessarie as no man can enter by any other way so likwise this other particuler doore of entring into Prelacie or Pastor-shipp ouer Christs flocke was ordayned a Sacrament by our Sauiour no lesse necessarie for distinguishing theeues robbers and intruders from true and lawfull Pastors to vse our Sauiours similitude then the other of Baptisme to distinguish sheep from wolues and Christs flocke from Infidells and others of the Synagoge of Satan 14. And now in all this which we haue spoken by occasion of the Puritanes pretence to enter into spirituall gouerment ouer Christs flocke by voice and choise of their owne people we doe not much differ from their Maister and Doctor Iohn Caluin who confesseth that this
word or two concerning the Title whose inscription is Reports of diuers Resolutions and Iudgements giuen vpon great deliberation in matters of great Importance and Consequence by the Reuerend Iudges Sages of the law togeather with the Reasons Causes â—f their Resolutions and Iudgments published c. By which words of â—reat Deliberation great Importance and Consequence Reuerend Sages the like M. Attorney like a studious Rhetorician procureth to purchase credit and estimation to this his worke of Reports Alâ—eit I be confident to the contrary that vpon the ensuing search â—hese Reports directed by hym to the impugning of Catholike reâ—â—gion being only bare and naked Reports indeed without profe or reason alleaged at all will neither proue so graue Resolutions â—udgemeÌ„ts nor to haue byn giuen alwayes vpoÌ„ so great deliberation â—or of so great importance Consequence as he pretendeth and that when the reasons and causes therof shall bee examined they â—ill rather ouerthrow than establish his principal conclusion wherin I remitt my self to the euent â— There followeth the same title to knitt vp the page this pleaâ—â—ng sentence of Cicero in his Tusculane questions Quid enim laeâ—ro nisi vt veritas in omni quaestione explicetur verum dicentibus facilè ceâ—â—m What doe I endeuour but that the truth should be laied open in euery question with resolution to yeld to them that shall speake the truth This sentence I say giueth mee great comforte yf M. Attorney will doe as he insinuateth and follow the indifferencie of his Author alleaged who in the matters he handled which were of philosophye is knowne to haue byn so equall as he was not well resolued what part to take Yet doe I not exact so much equality in this our controuersie of diuinitie presuming my aduersary to be preoccupated with the preiudice of one parte but shall rest well satisfied with his desire to haue the truth examined in euery point and much more with his readines to yeeld vnto her whersoeuer she shall be founde 3. And with this I shall passe to his Preface notinge only one point or two more by the way wherof I shall haue occasion to speake againe afterward The first is that wheras this booke of Reports is set forth with two distinct Columnes in euery page the one in Latin the other in English the Title or superscription of the one runneth thus De iure Regis Ecclesiastico The other hath this interpretation Of the Kings Ecclesiasticall law As though the word Ius which signifieth Right were alwayes well translated by the word Law Wherof afterward he seeketh to make his aduantage But the error or fraude is euident for that the word Ius hath a much larger signification then Lex which may be proued as well out of auncient Lawyers as Deuines For that Paulus Iurisconsultuâ— doth affirme the word Ius to be extended ad omne quod quouis modo bonum aequum est to whatsoeuer is any waye good or right And then in another signification the same Paulus doth say that it signifieth Sententiam iudicis The sentence of the Iudge And in another signification Vlpian and Celsus two auncient Lawyers take it for the science skill of law And Aristotle in his Ethicks pro omni eo quod est legitimum for all that which is any way lawfull And so S. Thomas and other School-deuines doe affirme Ius to be obiectum Iustitiae the obiect of Iustice that is to say about which all iustice is exercised And finaly Isidorus sayth Lex est species Iuris Law is a braunch or kind of right and consequently M. Attorney doth not so properly throughout his whole booke interprete Ius by the word Law which I would not haue noted so largly but that he being so great a lawyer had obligation to speake more exactly though noe man deny but that Ius and Lex may sometimes be taken for the same but not euer nor properly in this case For that the question is not nor was not of Q. Elizabeths Ecclesiasticall lawes but of the right shee had to make such lawes 4. The second point worth the noting is that wheras both the title and subiect of all this booke is of the Kings Ecclesiasticall law M. Attorney in the whole Course therof from the begining of our Christian Kings vnto K. Henry the eight who were aboue an hundered twenty in number neuer citeth so much as one Ecclesiasticall law made by anie of them For that they being Catholikes made not but receiued Ecclesiasticall lawes from such as had authoritie to make them in the Catholique Church And such later Statutes Decrees and Ordinances as were made by some later Kings from K. Edward the first downward for restraint of some execution of the Popes ecclesiasticall power in certaine externall points were not made by them as ecclesiasticall but as temporall laws in respect of the common wealth for auoiding certaine pretended hurtes and incommodities therof And M. Attorney is driuen to such pouerty straights in this case as not being able to alleadge anie one instance to the contrary out of all the foresaid ages hee runneth euery where to this shift that the Popes Ecclesiasticall and Canon laws being admitted in England mâ—y bee called the Kings ecclesiasticall laws for that they are admitted and allowed by him and his realme In which sense the Euangelicall law may bee called also the Kings law for that he admitteth the Bible But of this wee shall haue occasioÌ„ to speake more often afterward For that M. Attorney doth often run to this refuge Now then to the Preface in his owne words The Attorney to the Reader It is truly saide good Reader that Error Ignorance being her inseparable twynne doth in her proceeding so infinitely multiplie herselfe produceth such monstrous and strange chimeraes floateth in such and so many incertainties and sucketh downe such poison from the contagious breath of Ignorance as all such into whom shee infuseth any of her poisoned breath shee dangerously infects or intoxicates and that which is wonderfull before shee can come to any end she bringeth all things if shee be not preuented by confusion to a miserable and vntimely end Naturalia veâ—é artificialia sunt finita Nulius terminus false Error immensus The Catholik Deuine 5. To this so vehement accusation of Error and Ignorance I could 10. Moreouer our Deuines doe handle this matter of Ignorance so exactly in al their writings as by treating of Ignorance they proue themselues not ignorant but most learned For first defininge IgnoraÌ„ce in generall to be want or lake of knowledge they distinguish the same into two sortes The one Negatiue the other Priuatiue And as for the Negatiue which importeth only a simple pure want of science it is not reprehensible of it self for that it might be in man euen before his fall in the state of innocency is now in
this shall suffice to this point Now will M. Attorney passe to another of the commendation of Truth as though that were with him and his And wee shall follow him to examine that point also as wee haue done this other about Ignorance The Attorney On the other side Truth cannot be supported or defended by any thing but by Truth herselfe and is of that constitution and constancy that she cannot at any time or in any part or point be disagreable to her self She hateth all bumbasting and sophistication and bringeth with her certainty vnity simplicity and peace at the last Putida salsamenta amant origanum veritas pèr se placet honesta per se decent falsa fucis turpia phaleris indigent Ignorance is so far from excusing or extenuating the error of him that had power to finde out the truth which necessarily he ought to know wanted only will to seeke it as she will be a iust cause of his great punishment Quod scire debes non vis non pro ignorantia sed pro contemptu habers debet Error and falshood are of that condition as without any resistance they will in tyme of themselues fade and fall away But such is the state of Truth that though many doe impugne her yet will she of her self euer preuaile in the end and flourish like the palme-tree she may peraduenture by force for a tyme be troden downe but neuer by any meanes whatsoeuer can she be troden out The Catholike Deuine 16. None do more willinglie heare the commendation of Truth then we who say with S. Paul VVee can do nothing against truth but for truth And therfore do I willinglie ioyne with M. Attorney in this point of praisinge Truth Wee do mislike also no lesse then he all bumbasting and sophistication neither are we delighted with stinkinge salt-fish that had need of Orygon to giue it a good sauour Wee allow in like manner of his other latin phrases and do confesse that Truth herselfe may be troden downe for a tyme by force but neuer troden out But what is all this to the purpose we haue in hand of findinge out the Truth in this our controuersie Let vs suppose for the present that both partes do like well of her but what meanes is giuen heere or may be giuen to discouer where she lyeth In all other controuersies lightly our aduersaries are wont to remit vs only to scriptures for tryall which was an old tryck in like manner of their foresaid forernuners as the auncient Fathers testify for that scriptures being subiect to more cauillation many times both for the interpretation and sense then the controuersie it selfe gaue them commodity to make their contentions immortall 17. But the same Fathers vrging them with a shorter way asked them still Quid prius quid posterius What was first and what after for that heresie is nouelty and commeth in after the Catholike Truth first planted And for that euery hereticke pretendeth his heresie to be ancient and from the Apostles the said Fathers do vrge further that this Truth of our Religion must not only be eldest but must haue continued also from tyme to tyme at least with the greater part of Christians Quia proprium est hareticorum omnium saith old Tertullian pauca aduersus plâ—â—a posteriora aduersus priora defendere It is the property of all hereticks and their peculiar spirit to defend the lesser number against the greater and those things that are later against the more auncient Which agreeth with another saying of Tertullian Quod apud multos vnum inuenitur non est erratum sed traditum That which is found one and the self-same with many to witt the greater parte in the Christian Church is no error but commeth downe by tradition So hee But S. Augustine deliuereth another direction much conformable to this in sense though different in words Consider saith he what is KATH'HOLON Id est secundum totum non secundum partem According to the whole and not only to a part and this is the truth And another of his tyme saith Teneamus quod ab omnibus creditum est hoc enim verè Catholicum Let vs hold that which hath byn beleeued by all for this is truly Catholike and consequently Truth it self And another Father before them both Catholicum est quod vbique vnum That is Catholike vndoubtedly trew which euery where is one and the same And this both in tyme place and substance 18 These are the ancient Fathers directions now let vs apply them to our present question which is so much the easier to discusse for that albeit it comprehend some part of doctrine in controuersie concerninge the Right of temporall Princes to spirituall Iurisdiction yet is it principally and properly a question of fact to witt whether by the ancient common laws of England and practice of our Princes according to the same spiritual Iurisdiction they were exercised by them in former ages by force and vertue of their Imperiall crownes as Queene Elizabeth did or might do by the authority giuen her by an Act of Parlament in the first yeare of her raigne wherby she was made head of the Church and supreme gouernesse as well in all causes Ecclesiasticall as temporall In discussion wherof if we wil vse the directions of the forsaid Fathers for cleere and infallible tryall we shall easily find out where the Truth lyeth which is the but we ought to shoore at and not to contend in vayne for that our assertion quite contrary to that of M. Atourneys is That if we consider the whole ranke of our Christian English Kings from the very first that was conuerted to our Christian faith to witt King Ethelbert of Kent vnto the reigne of King Henry the eight for the space of more then nine hundered years and King Henry himself for the greater and best part of his reigne did all and euery one of them confesse acknowledg the spirituall power and Iurisdiction of the Sea of Rome and did neuer contradict the same in any one substantiall point either by word law or deed but did infinite wayes confirme the said authority ech one in their ages reignes And this is that KATH'HOLON or secundum totum which S. Augustine requireth and vbique vnam which the other Fathers do mention which is a Catholike proofe in a Catholike cause and M. Attorney must needs fly ad partem to a parte only to witt to two or three later Kings of aboue halfe a hundered that went before which is a schismaticall proofe as S. Augustine sheweth Contra partem Donati Against the parte of the heretick Donatus And before him Opratus Mileuitanus and diuers other Fathers who alwayes call Sectaries a Part For that they follow indeed but a part and Catholiks the whole and therof saith S. Augustine their name is deriued And thus much shall serue for our
and if they bee good and equall it is a publike benefit but much more if they be well executed by a iust Prince which importeth more than writen lavves For that he as M. Attorney confesseth is the soule of the law that giueth life who also without writen lawes either municipall or Imperiall may administer iustice by law of nature and nations if he will What speciall or singular commodity then is here shewed to issue out of the municipall lawes of England aboue others that they should be called our ancient best inheritance Yea as he addeth after in matters of greatest Importance meaning therby our soule saluation Is not this an ouerlashing is not this an egregious hyperbole Do not subiects in Scotland France Italy Spaine and other places enioy their goods in peace and quietnes and their liues and deare countreyes in safty as wel by their lawes Imperial as we do by our municipall Yes and much more if we will beleeue them and their learnedest this vpon some attent consideration of euents which dayly they heare and reade of many men both great and small to haue bin ouerthrowne and condemned in our countrey both in liues liuinges which they thinke by their Imperiall lawes were impossible And one only circumstance of English tryall in life and death to omit the rest doth leaue them astonished to witt that be he neuer so great a man yet for his life and landes honour posterity he may not haue that allowed him which in an action of fiue poundes renr or lesse he should obteyne which is a learned lawyer or aduocate to speake for him at the barre but that all the Princes officers and learned Counsell shall plead against him exaggerating matters to the vttermost and he only suffered to speake for himself and that in measure who for lack of skill or memory or tyme to consider or boldnes to speake or talent to vtter well his meaninge may there betray and ouerthrow both himself his whole posterity in his owne defence 24. And finally the last vpshot being of that dreadfull action to commit the matter to a iury of vnlearned men that must giue their verdicts openly and by consequence vpon the same causes before mentioned of error feare hope or other passion the Prince being alwayes on part interessed may easily be led finistrously to the prisoners condemnation All which inconueniences being carefully prouided for by course of other lawes do make forreine learned men to thinke that ours are more defectiue than we persuade our selues and that it may easily be beleeued that they were made indeed by a Conquerour And I could haue byn glad that M. Attorney in this place had alleaged some singular thing in their extraordinary commendation for that the enioying of our goods liues lands and contrey by them which he mencioneth are very ordinary and vulgar commendations and common to all lawes in generall that euer were made by reasonable men And yet do we not deny but that our English lawes for the whole corpes and dryft therof are very commendable especially where the spirit and meaninge of the first founders is obserued by the followers yet want there not by graue mens iudgments many considerable points that might be better rectified and namely concerning the imperious and dominant maner of proceeding of many lawyers and their exorbitant gaines which yet perhaps M. Attorney will place among the cheife commendations of our said common lawes 25. In the other point also of remitting men for the knowledg of their euidence ancient birth-right in some pointes of greatest importance to faithful Counseloures that will resolue them fully without feare affection or corruption if he meane by these Counseloures as he doth those Iudges and Sages of the Common-law from whom he hath taken these peeces against Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction which after he hath set downe I must needs saie that it is litle to the purpose For albeit now they be dead he may well saie as he doth that they cannot be daunted with any feare moued by any affection or corrupted with any reward yet when they were aliue gaue their resolutions which he saith they did it is hardly credible that they were soe deuoide of those passions as he would make them they being no Saintes but wordlie men that sought their aduauncement vnder their Princes by pleasing their humours as lawyers of our tymes do wherof I could alleadg many examples and some perhaps we may touch after in their due places Now it shal be sufficient to remember that in diuerse Kings daies after the Conquest the cheife cōplaints of the people were against their cheife Iusticers would God wee had not the like cause now who in those times most gouerned the state or abused rather the same as the examples of Hubert de Borgo and Robert Tresilian cheif Iustices vnder K. Henry the third and Richard the second and both of then punished publiklie for their wickednes doe testifie And in the begining of K. Edward the third his raigne I read of a complaint made by the King and the whole Parliament that his father K. Edward 2. had byn induced by euil Counsellours which in that case may iustlie be presumed to haue byn his Iudges and lawyers to sease into his hands the temporaltie of diuerse Bishopricks c. Which for the time to come he promised not to doe And finallie after that againe when the contention and controuersie between the two potent houses of Lancaster and Yorke began and endured for almost 100. years I find few Iudges or great Sages of the common-law to haue lost their liues therin for anie side or partie as manie Dukes Earls Barons knights yea and some Bishops also religious did Which is a signe that those Sages were to wise to oppose themselues to anie sorte of Princes whatsoeuer but could accommodate themselues to all and draw the birth-right of laws to the establishing of any Kings right that by his sword could get the possession 26. But to prosequute these matters no further in this place I am only to adde for conclusion of all that the true ancien◠birth-right aud best inheritance of English subiects indeed i◠their right to Catholique religion which was first planted amonge them from the Sea of Rome by the singular zeale of holy Pope Gregory the first a thousand years gone and continued without interruption to our dayes as afterwards shall be shewed and that for seeking out and cleering the euidence of this right they ought to be diligent and to spare no labour paine or industrie for that therof dependeth their eternall saluation or damnation which doth not of the knowledge or not knowledg of the common law and that for certifyinge themselues in this point they ought to repaire to faithful Counsellers indeed who are the ancient Fathers and writers of Gods Church in euery age who being not only wise and learned but holy also may securely be
English Catholiks at this day what reason haue they to sinne so damnably as to write against their owne consciences seeing that by following their consciences they might follow also their commodities Wâ—at new opinions haue they inuented of their owne or taken vpon them to follow inuented by others for which they should be drawne to write against the knowne truâ—hâ— that is to saie as all Fathers do expounde it the Catholike truth For that is knowne receiued and acknowledged and hath byn from time to time throughout Christendome wheras new opinions are not knowne truthes but presumed truthes by a few in some particuler place or countrey and for some certaine time past and not publiklie continued from the beginning 31. As for example in the present controuersie to pretermit all others English Catholiks saie that they approue noe other Ecclesiastical power than that which all the Kings of England from the first that was conuerted vnto King Henry the eight togeather with their Counsellours lawyers and Sages both spirituall and temporall haue allowed receiued practised and confirmed by their owne municipal lawes M Attorney on the other side holdeth the contrary and bringeth only for his direct proofe the constitutioâ—s of two or three late Princes Q. Elizabeth a woman K. Edward a child and some parte of King Henries raigne distracted from the rest and deuided also from himselfe in all other points of Relâ—gion besides Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction but for indirect proose he cyteth certaine peeces and parcells of Ordinances Lawes and Decrees of some former Catholike Princes which seeme to restraine or suspend in some particular cases the execution of the said Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction in matters not meerly spirituall but mixt with temporalities as to them it seemed and not denying therby any parte of the spirituall power it self as after shall be shewed 32. Now then wheras he alleadgeth three Princes Decrees against the Popes authoritie interrupted by a fourth for that Queene Marie annulled the two that went before her and ioyned fully with her auncient progenitors wee one the contrary side for these three interrupted doe produce neere threescore by descent without interruption and for threescore yeares more or lesse wherin they made these lawes wee alleadge more then three times three hundered and for a part or parcell of tâ—e Sages of our Land which in these later dayes vpon art feare or industrious induction were drawne to consent vnto these new lawes against the old with vtter mislike of the sar greateâ—t part wee â—ay forth the whole vniforme consent of all sortes beginning with the first very planting of Christian Religion in our countrey continued for more than nine hundrâ—d years togeather so as we alleadg both antiquitie prioritie vniuersalitie continuance and succession without interruption which are all the markes of Catholike verity and consequently when we write for defence of this in euery controuersie of our dayes how can the Attorney saie or pretend to imagine that we write against our consciences and the knowne truth 33. And as for the imaginarie causes of discontentment which he deuiseth either for that men haue not atteined vnto their ambitious and vniust desires or for that in the eye of the State their vices and wickednes haue deserued punishment and disgrace and therfore doe oppose themselues against the current of the present These speculations I saie cannot fal any way vpon English Catholiks not doe subsist of themselues Not the later for that they are knowne to be temperate men so will the countrey commonlie where they liue beare them wittnes and the experience of their singuler patience vnder the pressures of the late Queene doth manifestly testifie the same Not the first for that if conscience did not retaine them they might gaine more and more aduaunce their ambitious desires if they haue any by following the Current of the time with M. Attorney and others than by standing against it to suffer themselues to be ouerflowne therwith And it is a great presumption in all reason that he hath a good conscience who standeth thervnto with his losse that might run downe the hill with the current to his gaine and preferment For that this later is easie and vulgar and common to the worst men as well as to good the other is hard and rare and needeth grâ—at vertue and fortitude of mind wherof I may chaunce to haue occasion to speake more largely afterward at the end of this booke in a speciall chapter to M. Attorney himselfe when our principall controuersie shal be tryed shewing what vrgent forcible and peremptorie reasons Catholike men haue though with neuer so great losse temporall to stand for the defence of their consciences not to runne downe the current with him and others that swymme with full sayle therin And so much of this 34. Some other few pointes of litle importance doe remaine in this passage of M. Attorneys Preface which might be touched and examined as where he saith that the particular and approued custome of euery nation is the most vsuall binding and assured law and for more authoritie of this asseueration as also of whatsoeuer he saith besides or pretendeth to say out of our lawes in his ensuing Treatise he addeth that he hath byn a student therof for these 35. yeares but I could bring forth lawyers of no lesse standinge and study though perhaps with lesse gaine that would contradict him in both these points First that custome is not allwayes the most vsuall binding law either in conscience or otherwise with these would run all the ministers of Englaud in the case of Catholike and Protestant Religion wherin custome by their owne confession is against them And in the second point concerning the peeces parcelles heere alleadged out of our Common-lawes against the Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction as M. Attorney would haue it seeme these men would alleadge twenty for one not shredes or liberts of lawes but intyre lawes themselues authorizinge and confirminge with full vniformity and vniuersality of our English nations consente the said Iurisdiction from time to time and the vse and practise therof But of this afterward 35. Now to conclude with M. Attorney in this his Preface if his end and desire be as he saith that such as are desirous to se to know may be instructed and such as haue byn taught amisse may se and satisfie themselues with the truth and such as know and hold the truth may be comforted and confirmed I shall gladlie ioyne with him in this end and desire pâ—aying almightie God that himself also and many more with him may bee in the first two members for that in the third none can be but true Catholiks And this shall suffice for this place For as for the Latin sentence out of Macrobius that our ignorance in many things proceedeth of that we reade not diligently the work of ancient authors I haue touched in parte before and doe allow of the sense now againe
of the whole entire body of the Realme 15 You see whervnto this deuise tendeth to make yt a matter of treason to deny this fancy of M. Attorney that for so much as the Canons and Ecclesiasticall lawes of the Church made by Popes and by Generall Councells from tyme to tyme and receued vniuersally for spirituall and Ecclesiasticall matters throughout the Christian world were receued also and allowed by the Kings Comnn wealth of England which was an euident argument of their acknowledging of the said Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction of the Church and spirituall gouernours therof of this approbation and allowance he would inferr that these lawes were the Kings lawes though deriued as he sayth from others that is to say from Popes and Bishopps At which inference I doubt not but that his fellow-lawyers will smile And truly I am sory that he being accoumpted so great a man in that faculty which is wont to reason well hath giuen so manifest occasion of laugther For that euery puney young student of law will see by common reason that the admitting of an other mans lawe doth not make it his lawe or that he had power to make that lawe of himself but rather to the contrary it sheweth that the admitter acknowledgeth the other for his Superiour in all matters contained vnder that law For the power of making lawes is the highest power that principally proueth dominion in any Prince and the admitting and obeying therof by another Prince is an euident argument of inferiority and subiection and so here the admitting of the Popes Ecclesiasticall and Canon-lawes was an argument that the admitters acknowledged his supreme authority in Ecclesiasticall affayres 16. Neyther is M. Attorneys example of the Romans or Normans any thinge to the purpose all For that the Romans did not take from the Athenians any formall lawes made by them for the gouernment of the Romans for that had been to acknowledg superiority as before hath bene said but rather they taking a suruey of all the Grecian lawes aswell of Athens as other Common-wealthes or States they tooke parcells therof here and there and applied the same to their Common-wealth which was properly to make lawes of them selues And the like may be sayd of the Normans if they borrowed any of their lawes from England which yet I neuer read in any Author besides M. Attorney but rather that the Normans gaue lawes to England 17. But nowe in the Canon-lawes receiued in England for almost a thousand yeares together after our first Conuersion the matter is farr different for that these were receiued wholy and formally as lawes made by another superior power in a different Tribunall different causes sent expresly to England and to all other Christian Kingdomes to be receiued and obserued and some also out of the same Ecclesiasticall power made within the land by Synodes and Prelates therof and promulgated to be obserued both by Prince and people formally and punctually as they lay and so were receiued admitted allowed and put in execution by the said Prince and his Officers except perhaps some tymes some clause or parte therof might seeme to bring some inconuenience to the temporall State for which exception was made against it and the matter remedied by common consent And this was another manner of admitting lawes then the Romans admitted some peeces of there lawes from Athens or rather translated some pointes of the Athenian lawes into theyrs which was to make them selues Maisters of thus lawes and not receiuers or admitters And finally wee see by this to what poore and pittifull plight M. Attorney hath brought the title of his booke De Iure Regis Ecclesiastico Of the Kings Ecclesiasticall law to witt that it is the Popes Ecclesiasticall law◠in deed made and promulgated by him and his but receiued and obeyed by the King and consequently not the Kings law but the Popes 18. Wherfore to conclude the first part of this Chapter for so much as M. Attorney by these two arguments De Iure which are the only he mentioneth hath proued no right at all of supreme spirituall Iurisdiction to haue accrewed to Q. Elizabeth by the title and interest of her temporall Crowne but rather the contrary to witt that both his Arguments haue proued against himself we see therby how vnable he is to proue his said affirmatiue proposition by this first head and sorte of proofe De Iure I shall now in the second part of this chapter endeuour to prooue the negatiue by as many sortes of rightes and lawes as any thing may be proued that is to say not only by Canonicall Ciuill lawes but by law of Nature also of Nations Mosaycall Euangelicall and by our ancient Common-lawes of England all which doe concu◠in this that Q. Elizabeth being a woman could not haue any supreame spirituall power or Iurisdictiō in Ecclesiasticall matter◠THE SECOND PART OF THIS CHAPTER VVherin is shevved that Q. Elizabeth in regard of her sex could not haue supreame Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction §. I. 19. First then being to performe this we are professe in this place that we meane not to imitate the proceeding of some Protestants in this behalf who following no certayne rule of doctrine no◠moderation in their doings or writings doe passe to extreames therfore feeling themselues greiued vnder Q. Maryes raigne with the course of Catholike religion then held tooke vpon them to publishe that women were not capable of any gouerment at all Temporall or Spirituall nor to be further obeyed than they would make Reformation in Religion for so they called it comforme to their willes and prescriptions as appeareth by the bookes writings and actions both of Goodman VVhitingham Gilbye Knockes others who taking their fire of fury from Geneua sought first to kindle the same in England and being repulsed thence brake into open flames of combustion in Scotland and neuer coassed vntill it brought two Noble Queens mother and daughter to their ruyne and afterward put their heire and successor into such plunges by those and other heades of like doctrine and desperate attemptes answerable therunto as Gods right hand did only preserue him from like ruyne 20. But we are not of this spirit to seeke reuenge by such new brayn-sicke doctrine we graunt that Queens may lawfully raigne inherite that Successiō which euery Countrey by their peculiar lawes doth allow them The great Kingdome of France doth excude them so doe many lesser States in Italie and Germany and other Countryes yet doth Spaine England Scotland and Flanders admitt them for preuenting other inconueniences when Male-sucessors doe fayle So as for this point of Q. Elizabeths temporall gouerment we haue no controuersie in this place If any fell out betweene her and the Bishop of Rome whose authority she tooke from him and applyed it to her self and many otherwayes exasperated him that fact appertayneth not to vs that are priuate men to iudge
tyme but the quite contrary CHAP. VI. THov hast seene and considered I doubt not gentle and iudicious Reader how M. Attorney in the former Chapter hath byn grauelled in prouing his affirmatiue proposition that our Kings before the Conquest tooke supreme Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction vpon them and acknowledged it not in the Pope or Sea of Rome For proofe wherof he brought forth two such poore and petite instances as they being besides their weaknes impertinent and vntrue and not subsisting in their owne grounds they were no more for perfourmance of his promise of cleere and demonstratiue proofes then if a man being bound to pay ten thousand pounds in pure and current gold should bring forth two mites of brasse for discharge of his band And surely if M. Attorney should haue failed soe some yeares gone before he was so wealthie as that taking vpon him with so great an ostentation to proue an affirmatiue assertion of so mayne importance and consequence as this is he should haue performed no more then he hath here done he would neuer haue attained by law to the preferment he hath But now◠perhaps he persuadeth himself that by his only credit already gotten he may say what he will and proue as little as he list because by only saying he shall be beleeued 2. But on the contrary side we require proofes offer proofes gentle Reader for that the matter is of singular great weight euen for thy soule we rest not in ostentation of wordes only but in probation of deedes And though we might remaine sufficiently with the victorie for that our aduersarie resteth with so apparent a foyle in the proofe of his forsayd affirmatiue yet that you may see and behold as in a glasse the difference of our cause and confidence therin I haue thought conuenient out of the great aboundance and variety of proofes that our truth hath in this controuersie as well as in all others betwene vs and Protestants to take vpon me to proue the negatiue against M. Attorney which of it self is euer more hard as you know than to proue an affirmatiue except euidence of truth doe facilitate the matter as in our case and to proue and make euident by sundry sortes of cleere and perspicuous demonstrations nyne or ten at the least that during the tyme before the Conquest no one of all our Christian English Kings exceeding the number of an hundred as before hath been said did take vpon them either to be heads of the Church or to be supreme gouernours in Ecclesiasticall causes or to haue any spirituall Iurisdiction al deriued from the right of their Crownes or denyed this to be in the Pope Bishops only or did make any Ecclesiastical lawes concerning spirituall matters and consequently that this Treatise of M. Attorney Of the Kings Ecclesiasticall law doth apperteine no more vnto them in realitie of truth than to the man in the Moone to gouerne the heauens For that they neuer so much a◠dreamed of any such thing nor of any one of the forsaid clauses of spirituall power Iurisdiction to belong vnto them which heere shall brefely be proued with such variety of demonstrations taken out of their owne words dedes decrees actions as I doubt not but will make more then morall euidence The first Demonstration 3. The first Demonstration may be taken from the consideration of all the auncient lawes made by Christian Kings in our Countrey before the Conquest euery one in his seuerall State and Dominion according to the tymes and places they raigned in and gouerned their Commonwealthes both Britanes Saxons and Danes and among the Saxons againe their Kings and Princes in euery of their seuerall Kingdoms about which point Malmesbury writeth thus of the noble King Inas Porrò quantus in Dei rebus fuerit indicio sunt leges ad corrigendos mores in populo latae in quibus viuum ad hoc tempus puritatis suae resultat speculum How great a King Inas was in Gods affaires the lawes which he made to correct the manners of his people doe sufficiently declare in which vntill this day there is seen as in a liuely glasse the said Kings purity of mynde And the like lawes no doubt other Kings also made in their Dominions all which remained afterwards to their posterity vnder the names of Mulmutian lawes For the lawes of the Britans as also the lawes of the Mercians called in their tongue Mercen laga and of the West-Saxons called VVest-saxen laga and of the Danes named Dan laga stood in force vntill England came to be a Monarchie when the first authour of the said Monarchie King Egbert began first to drawe them into one body of conformity But after him againe K. Edgar surnamed the peaceable and wise King confirmed the same and sett them forth but by the warrs and confusion of the Danes which after his death ensued they were for the most part put out of vse againe vntill K. Edward the confessor recalled them encreased and made them perfect and by the counsaile of his Peeres and Realme did frame a new ordination of the same lawes which remained afterwards vnder the name of K. Edward his lawes and were so much approued and loued by the people as Iohn Fox also out of Mathew Paris doth affirme that the common people of England would not doe obedience to VVilliam Conquerour but that first he did sweare to keepe these lawes which oath notwithstāding saith he the Conquerour did afterward breake and in most points brought in his owne lawes So Fox which if it be true yet is it to be vnderstood principally of his lawes appertayninge vnto secular men for that in the rest which concerned the Church her priuiledges he followed absolutely the lawes of K. Edward as in the next Chapter shall appeare where we shall sett downe the said Conquerour his lawes in this behalfe which are as fauourable and respectiue vnto Ecclesiasticall power and persons as of any one King eyther before or after him 4. Wherevpon it followeth that M. Attorney who so often iterateth this worde of auncient and most auncient common-lawes of England which as he saith but cannot proue did authorize Q. Elizabeth her spirituall Iurisdiction ouer the Church speaketh but in the ayre and at randome beating vs still with the empty sound of these words without substance For in reall dealing he should haue alleadged some one law at least to that purpuse out of all these before the Conquest if he had meant to be as good as his word 5. But this he cannot doe as already you haue seen by his two poore instances and we doe shew on the contrary side that all these and other lawes of these dayes were for vs in the fauour of Catholike Religion and particularly for the liberties franquizes priuiledges exemptions and immunities of the Church and Clergie according to the Canons and Decrees of the Popes Ecclesiasticall law
which is the very decision of our Question For that by these phrases clauses is signified as in the Canon-law and particulerly throughout the sixt booke of Decretals may be sene is properly meant that the Church and Clergie is free from all iurisdiction of temporall Princes except only in Ciuill matters and that their goods and persons are exempted from Princes secular Courtes that they are immediatly vnder their Prelates and they againe vnder the Sea Apostolike vnto which may lawfully be made appeales when iust occasion is offered that no lay iudge may sitt in iudgement vpon them or giue sentence ouer them or lay hand vpon their persons or goods but referre them to their owne Ecclesiastical Emperours other such points as may be seen in the Canon-law in the places before cited And you haue heard before in the second Chapter of this booke how conforme all these things are to Gods law and how willingly they were embraced approued and allowed by the first Christian Emperour Constantine and his Successours and by all Christian Catholike Princes since that tyme throughout the world but especially and aboue others in comparison by our English Kings before the Conquest and after also as in their dew places shal be shewed 6. And so when the forenamed Kings Edgar Edward in their very first law doe sett downe and determine as Fox also confesseth that the Kings office is to keepe cherishe mainteyne and gouerne the Church within his Kingdome which worde gouerne I haue shewed before to be wrongfully put in out of his due place and to apperteyne only to the gouernement of the Common-wealth with all integrity liberty according to the constitution of all their Auncestors and predecessours and to defend the same against all enemyes c. they doe in all this but approue and second the Popes Canon-lawes decrees therof for the preheminence of the Clergie and therby they doe directly ouerthrowe M. Attorneys proposition so doe all the Kings in like manner after the Conquest who following this example doe euer in the beginning of their lawes renew and confirme this lawe of King Edward for the libertyes and priuiledges of the Church and Church men As first the Conquerour himself as afterwarde in the next Chapter more largely shall appeare when we come to speake of him in particular whose lawes are sett downe by Houaden and others and are as effectuall for the Church as could be deuised after him to omitt K. Iohn and others Henry the third who was the chief founder of our present later Common-lawes and author of the Great Charter His first law likewise is for the foresaid liberties of holy Church in these wordes VVe haue graunted to God and by this our present Charter haue confirmed for vs and our heyres for euermore that the Church of England shal be free and haue all her rights wholie and her liberties inuiolated c. 7. This Charter of K. Henry did Edward the first his sonne publishe and confirme after him as appeareth by his owne preface prefixed before the said Magna charta And Edward the second that ensued after him not only ratifyed the same but added other Statutes also called Articuli Cleri in fauour of the same Clergie And in K. Edward the third his tyme I finde the same Charter confirmed and ratifyed by diuers and seuerall Statutes as namely in the first second fourth fifth and fourtenth yeare of his raigne and the like in the first sixt seuenth eight nynth yeare of K. Richard the second and in the first second fourth seauenth nynth and thirtenth yeare of K. Henry the 4. and in the third and fourth of K. Henry the 5. and in the sixt of K. Henry the sixt c. 8. And herby now though we goe no lower may the indifferent Reader see how vayne M. Attorneys vaunt was and is that he would proue and demonstrate by the auncient lawes of our Realme that Q. Elizabeth had supreme iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall by vertue of her Crowne And yet hitherto hath he alleadged no one lawe at all within the compasse of nyne hundred yeares togeather but only certaine impertinent scraps and raggs nothing making to the purpose nor worthy the gathering vp as after when we come to examine them will appeare And we on the contrary syde haue so many so auncient and so authenticall lawes as you haue heard and afterwardes shall be more particulerly declared for proofe of the opposite proposition iâ— his that all spirituall iurisdiction was only in Ecclesiasticall persons both bâ—sore and after the Conquest vntill K. Henry the 8. his dayes And thus much of this first demonstration concerning lawes The second Demonstration 9. The second demonstration is deduced from an other consideration not inferiour to the former which is that when â— Ethelbert of Kent for example was sirst of all other Kings conuerted to Christian faith by S. Augustine the Monke sent from Pope Gregorie the first to that effect vpon the yeare of Christ 600. and that by this occasion a new Ecclesiasticall Common-wealth was to be instituted and erected within his dominion concerning matters depending of Religion farre different from that which passed in his Realme before when he was a Pagan as namely to omitt matters of doctrine and meere spirituall gouernment concerning marriages legitimation of children burying paying of tythes iurisdiction of Bishops and priests the like that might seeme in some sorte to be mixt and concerne also the Common-wealth to whome was the recourse made sor direction counsaile and ordinance in these affaires to K. Ethelbert think you or to S. Gregorie the Pope no man will say I think to K. Ethelbert for that he was yet but a nouice in Christian religion though as capable of spirituall iurisdiction by his Crowne as either Q. Elizabeth being a woman or K. Edward the sixt a child of nyne yeares old when he was proclaimed Head of the Church of England as well in spirituall as temporall affaires 10. But in our case vnder K. Ethelbert we reade both in S. Bede and S. Gregory himself that in all Ecclesiasticall matters recourse was made to the said S. Gregory as hauing supreme authority in these affayres and therfore the said King was no sooner conuerted S. Augustine made Archbishop but the said Archbishop according to his office sent two messengers to Rome Laurentius a priest and Petrus a Monke to aske counsaile and direction in diuers cases as namely about the distribution of oblations at the aultar diuersitye of customes obserued in diuers contreys in saying Masse about punishing of sacriledge in such as steale from Churches about degrees of kinred or propinquity to be obserued in marriages about ordination of Bishops how he should proceed with the Bishops of France and Britany about baptizing women with child and churching â—hem after their child-birth and the like 11. To all which questions S. Gregory answereth
for the indifferent Reader to consider these points following 8. First that we hauing proued the said acknowledgement in all former Kings it is not like that this deflected or went aside from their stepps or if he had done it would at least haue byn noted wherin and in what points and some records remaine therof as there doe of other points which were any way singular in him Secondly we finde this King much commended for pious deuotion by ancient writers and namely by Thomas VValsingham who in the beginning of K. Edward the first his life giueth a breife note of this King Henries life and death saying first of his sicknes and death that being at the Abbey of S. Edmunds-burie and taken with a greiuous sicknes there came vnto him diuers Bishops Barons and noble men to assist him and be present at his death at what time he humblie confessed his sinnes saith he was absolued by a Prelate and then deuoutlie receauing the bodie of our Sauiour asked all forgiuenes and forgaue all had extreme vnction and so humbly imbracing the crosse gaue vp his spirit to almightie God adding further of his deuotion in his life that euerie day he was accustomed to heare three masses sung and more priuatelie besides and that when the Priest did lift vp the hoast consecrated he would goe himself and holde the Priests arme and after kisse his hand and so returne to his owne place againe 9. Hee telleth also of his familiaritie with S. Lewes K. of France who raigning at the same time though some few years yonger then K. Henry conferred oftentimes with him about matters of deuotion and once telling him that he was delighted more to heare often preaching then manie masses K. Henry answered that he was more delighted to see his friend than to heare another man talke of him though neuer so eloquentlie 10. This then being so and K. Henry both liuing and dying so Catholicklie as both this man and all Authors doe write of him there can be no doubt but that he agreed fullie in iudgment and sense with all his predecessours as well in this point of the Popes Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction as in all others And for his obedience to the Sea of Rome it was so notorious as diuers of his owne people at that time did thinke it to haue excesse For that it was not only in spirituall matters but in temporall affaires of his Kingdome also Nihil enim saith Matthew Paris nisi ex consensu Papae vel illius Legati facere voluit Hee would doe nothing especiallie in his later years but either by the consent of the Pope or his Legat. And further in another place Ipso quoque tempus Rex secus quà m deceret aut expediret se suumque Regnum sub paena exhareditationis quod tamen facere nec potuit nec debuit Domino Papae obligaâ—it At that very time also the King otherwise then was decent or expedient did oblige himself and his Kingdome which yet he could not nor ought to doe vnto Pope Innocentius the fourth vnder paine of disinheritage c. So he 11. And many times elswere is this complaint renewed and yet on the otherside we may vnderstand by the same Mathew Paris who so much misliketh this ouer much subiection as he calleth it to the Sea of Rome that diuers great commodityes ensued often therby both to him and the Realme To the Realme for that the Popes wrote heerby more confidently and effectually vnto him for amending certaine errors of his then otherwise perhaps they would or could yea threatned him also with excommunication when need required Wherof the said Paris writeth thus in one place In those daies the Popes anger began to be heate against the K. of England for that he kept not his promises so oftentimes made to amend his accustomed excesses and therefore at the instance of Lautence Bishop of Ely and many other that earnestly vrged him he threatned after so many exhortations made vnto him without fruite to excommunicate him and interdict his Kindome c. 12. But yet for all this when after his Barons did rise against him and held him diuers years in warre Pope Vrban the 4. saith Mathew Paris sent his Legat Cardinal Sabinian as far as Bellen in France to pronounce there and set vp the sentence of excommunication against the said Barons who being in armes permitted him not to enter the portes of England but yet not long after by the said Vrban his meanes and Pope Clement the 4. that succeeded him peace followed againe in the said Realme after many years of warre ciuill commotion with great variety of euents succeeding on both sides For that sometymes the King himself with his brother Richard surnamed King of the Romanes and Edward the Prince were taken by the Barons and sometymes the Barons had the worse and Simon Momfort Earle of Licester their cheife head and Captaine was slaine in the field and many miseryes distresses and calamityes ensued on both parts as are accustomed in warlyke affaires but especially of Kingdomes which haue their waues and turmoiles according as the winds of great mens humours and passions doe swell stirr vp or calme the same But in all this time no question was of Catholike religion in England nor any doubt at all of the distinction and subordination between temporall spirituall power and gouernment but that the one was acknowledged in the King as cheife head of the Common-wealth and the other in the Bishops as subordinate to the Sea Apostolike 13. And if we consider the cheife and most euident points wherin this acknowledgement is seen and to be obserued they are these in effect First and principally for all points of saith and beleife which points were not receiued in England nor other wise then they came authorized and allowed by the said Sea Apostolike And secondly for matters of manners in like form if any thing were decreed or ordained by the said Sea as to be obserued generally throughout all Christendome England presently admitted the same though in other matters which were either particular nationall or seuerall to euery Common-wealth England followed that which was most conuenient for her state peace and quietnes 14. And as for Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction and libertyes of the Church we se by the said Magna Charta decreed and confirmed by this King which is the very same in effect that his Father K. Iohn out of the Charter of K. Henry the first graunted vpon the 16. yeare of his raigne and confirmed againe and published by K. Edward his sonne and all his Catholike Successours that it was wholy left vnto Clergy men and to the Sea Apostolike and not taken nor vsed by the Kings as namely in all matters of Spirituall dispensations elections institutions admissions confirmationâ— of Prelates and the like all gathering of Synods making of Ecclesiasticall decrees excommunications absolutions indulgences iudging and determining of
bestowing of Ecclesiasticall benefices 〈◊〉 inuiolate and that such as are Patrons of benefices may present fit men of your nation when they shall fall void c. 23. But yet the next yeare after the King calling a generall Parlament at London and the former greiuances not seeming to be sufficiently remedied by the said recourse to the Councell answers and promises of the Pope the same complaints were renewed againe with greater exasperation then before and the said greiuances put downe in writing All which being considered and weighed by the Parlament Vnanimiter consenserâ—â—t omnes saith Mathew Paris vt adhuc ob reuerentiam Sediâ— Apostolicae Domino Papae humiliter deuotè tam per Epistolas quam per solennes Nunciâ—s supplicarent vt tam intollerabilia grauamina iugum subtraheret importabile The whole Parlament did agree that yet once more for reuerence of the Sea Apostolike humble and deuout supplication should be made to the Pope both by their letters and solemne messengers that he would take from them the intollerable greiuances and importable yoke which by the foresaid abuses they felt to ly vpon them And so presently were written letters seuerally to be sent by the said messengers Frist by the Archbishops and Bishops Secondly by the Abbots Priors religious men Thirdly by the Earls Barons and communitie of the Parlament Fourthly by the King himself who wrote not only to the Pope as the rest did but a seueral letter also to the Cardinals to further the suite which letters are set downe by Mathew Paris at length and are to long for this place 24 Yet one thing I cannot omit that wheras the King wrote most deuoutly humbly both to the Pope Cardinals saying that he did make recourse in these complaints of his nobility and subiects to the Church of Rome Vt filius ad matrem quem suis lactavit vberibus as a sonne to his mother whome she hath nourished with her teates of mylke The said Barons though oftentimes repeating the words implorantes humiliter ac deuotè we beseeching you humbly and deuoutly vt dignemini miscricorditer exaudire that you wil vouchsafe mercifully to heare vs Yet adioyned they also this threat in the end that except they were eased of these burthens laid vpon them the Realme and their King they should be forced to put themselues as a wall for defence of the liberties of the said Kingdome which hitherto for reuerence of the Sea Apostolike they had differred to doe nor could expect any longer then the returne of their Embassadours So they 25. And by this we may se where the beginning was of those restraints which afterward in the dayes of other ensuing Kings were made against prouisions from Rome and benefices to be giuen to strangers as also against appeals in certaine cases other such like ordinances which seeme to containe some restraint of the execution of the Popes Ecclesiasticall authority in England Which did not rise as you see vpon any change of former faith or iudgement in religion or calling in question the said Popes spirituall iurisdiction ouer soules but only vpon temporall respects reasons of state and the like which concerned nothing at all faith or beleife or substance of religion And this one only consideration ouerthroweth all the poore obiections which M. Attorney hath picked out vnder the raigne of this other Kings that follow which now we shall take in hand to examine and discusse euery one as they come in their place Two instances alleadged out of the Raigne of this King Henry the third and of what weight they be §. I. 26. And first what doe you thinke M. Attorney bringeth out of this Kings raigne or can bring to ouerthrow all that we haue alleadged before in the same Kings life beleife gouernment and actions Doth he alleadge any one Law or Statute of his for that he was the father and founder of our Statute-lawes as he confesseth doth he produce any one decree wherby he declared that he thought himself to haue supreme spirituall authority or denyed or called in question that of the Sea Apostolike notwithstanding all the greiuances which before haue byn mentioned No truly no one word is alleadged therof though otherwise as I said this K. Henry made many Statutes at sundry Parlaments as for example vpon the 9. yeare of his raigne he made the famous Charter wherof we haue spoken before called Magna Charta containing 37. Chapters which may in effect be called so many different Statutes The first wherof beginneth thus VVe haue graunted to God and by this our present Charter haue confirmed for vs and for our heirs for euermore that the Church of England shall be free and shall haue all her holy rites and libertyes inuiolable So 〈◊〉 first and most ancient Statute and the cheifest liberty of the Church of England is vnderstood to haue byn their free dependance of the Sea Apostolike and their recourse therevnto without interruption or intermedling of any secular power in their Ecclesiasticall affaires 27. Besides this there was made by him in the same 9. yeare of his raigne the other notorious Charter named Charta de Foresta coÌ„taining 16. Chapters or brauÌ„ches as also the other named Merton vpon the 20. yeare of the said Kings raigne that hath six seuerall braunches or Statutes as diuers others also made vpon the 51. year of the said Kings raigne intituled vnder diuers particular titles as Dies communes in Banco Dies communes in dote Districtâ—â—â— Scaeccariae Iudicium Collistrigij de compositione mensurarum and the like And finally the other booke of Statutes made vpon 52. yeare called Marle-bridge containing 16. braunches or statutes In all which no one thing is found in fauour of M. Attorney or his assertion but many for vs if we would examine the partes and clauses of euery one For that the religion of England in that tyme being perfectly Catholike and agreeing in all things with it self with other Kingdomes of the world in one manner of beliefe and acknowledgement of the dependance of Spirituall and Ecclesiasticall power from the Sea Apostolike they could not make lawes for ordering their temporall affaires but must needs enterlace many things that did testifie the conformitie and subordination therof to the spirituall And if any temporall lawyer in England at this day though of far inferiour account and place to M. Attorney would take vpon him to write a booke alleadge all the lawes both common and statute and braunches therof that doe confirme allow or strengthen the Catholike Religion from most auncient tymes wherin any memory is of our lawes he might so far ouerbeare M. Attorney both in bulke and substance and truth of his allegations as S. Augustines volumes for example doe exceed in all these points Esops fables And this will you see in parte by that which we are now first to examine in this place I meane his first obiection set downe
iudge of such possessions as depend of legitimation we commaund your brotherhoods that leauing the iudgment of the said possessions to the King and his Courts you examine onlie the principall cause concerning the loialtie of the marriage it self and determine the same 43. Heerby then wee see first that M. Attorney alleadging this instance hath alleadged nothing at all against vs or for himself For that when the Earls and Barons refused to change the laws of England concerning inheritance vpon legitimation they said no more then is allowed them by the Canon-law it self as you haue heard And how will M. Attorney inferre of this that K. Henry the third held himself to haue supreme authority ecclesiasticall for that this must be his conclusion out of his instance or els he saith nothing 44. And it shall not be amisse to note by the way how these men doe vse to ouer-lash in their asseueratioÌ„s to help their feeble cause thereby By the auncient Canons and Decrees of the Church of Rome saith he the issue borne before solemnization of marriage is as lawfull and inheritable marriage following as the issue borne after marriage But this is not sincerely related For the Canon-law as you haue heard putteth diuers restrictions both in the persons to be legitimated and in the ends and effects whervnto they are legitimated as also concerning the Countries Kingdomes wherin they are legitimated Of all which variety of circumstances and considerations M. Attorney saying nothing his intention therin may easily be ghessed at And so much for this matter OF THE LIVES AND RAIGNES OF KING EDVVARD The first and second Father and sonne And what arguments M. Attorney draweth from them towards the prouing of his purpose CHAP. XI HAVING now come downe by orderly descent of seauen hundred yeares more of the raignes of our Christian English Kings shewed them all to haue byn of one and the self same Catholicke Roman religion comforme also in the point of this our controuersie about the acknowledgement and practise of the spirituall power and authoritie of the Sea Apostolicke in England concerning ecclesiasticall affaires And hauing declared the same so largely as you haue heard in three Henries since the Conquest of famous memory and authoritie aboue the rest and the last of them author also and parent of all Statute-law in our Realme we are to examine now in order three Edwardes lineally succeeding the one to the other and all three proceeding from this last named Henry Vnder which Edwardes and their ofspring M. Attorney preteÌ„deth more restraint to haue byn made in some points of the Popes externall iurisdiction then vnder former Kings which though it be graunted vpon some such occasions as after shal be shewed yet will you fynd the matter far shorte of that conclusion which he pretendeth to maintayne that hereby they tooke vpon them spirituall soueraingty in causes Ecclesiasticall You shall see it by the triall OF KING EDVVARD THE FIRST VVhich vvas the nynth King after the Conquest §. I. 2. When King Henry the third dyed his eldest sonne Prince Edward was occupied in the wars of the Holy land being then of the age of thirty three yeares who hearing of his Fathers death retourned presently homeward and passing by the Citty of Rome found there newly made Pope Gregory the tenth called before Theobald with whome in tymes past he had familiarly byn acquainted whiles he was Legate for his predecessor Vrbane the fourth in the said warrs of the Holy-land who receaued him with all honour and loue and graunted vnto him saith Stow the tenth of all Ecclesiasticall benefices in England as well temporall as spirituall for one yeare the like to his brother Edmund for an other in recompence of their expences made in the Holy-land Whervpon when the next yeare after the said Gregory called a generall Councell at Lions in France which was the second held in that place of aboue fiue hundred Bishops and a thousand other Prelates King Edward sent also a most honourable embassage thither both of Bishops and Noble-men 3. This King Edward beginning his raigne in the yeare of Christ 1272. continued the same for almost 35. yeares with variable euents For as he was a tall and goodly Prince in person high in stature and thereof surnamed Long-shanke so was he in mynd also no lesse war-like haughty earnest and much giuen to haue his owne will by any meanes whatsoeuer when once he set himself theron though yet when he was in calme out of passion he shewed himself a most religious and pious Prince 4. Of the later may be example among other things his speciall deuotion to the Blessed Virgin mother of our Sauiour which both Mathew VVestminster and VValsingham doe recount from the very beginning of his raigne doe coÌ„tinue the same throughout his life by occasion of many strange and miraculous 〈◊〉 from imminent dangers which himself ascribed to the said dâ—uotion and to our Blessed Ladies speciall protection Wherevnto may be referred in like maÌ„ner the piety of the said King shewed in diuers other occasions As first of all when in the first yeare of his raigne he voluntarily set forth published and confirmed the Great Charter made by his Father in fauour of the Church saying as in the said Charter is to be read Pro salute animae nostrae animarum antecessorum successorum nostroruus Regum Angliae ad exaltationem Sanctae Ecclesiae emendationem Regni nostri spontanea bona reluntate nostra dedimus concessinius c. We haue giuen and graunted freely of our owne good will this Charter for the health of our soule and of the soules as well of our predecessours as successours Kings of England to the exaltation of holy Church and amendment of our Kidgdome c. 5. And the like piety he shewed in many other occasions in like manner as namely when he being in his iourney with a great army towards Scotland and his wife Q. Eleanor daughter to King Ferdinand the third of Spaine surnamed the Saint a most vertuous religious Lady falling sicke dying neere the borders therof he leauing his course retourned backe with her dead body to London Cunctis diebus vitae suae eam plangebat saith Walsingham Iesum benignum iugis precibus pro ea interpellabat eleemosynarum largitiones Missarum celebrationes pro ea diuersis Regni locis ordinans in perpetuum procurans The King did bewayle this Queenes death all the dayes of his life and did by continual prayers call vpon mercifull Iesus to vse mercy towards her ordeyning great store of almes to be giuen for her as also procuring Masses to be said for her soule in diuers partes of the Kingdome 6. And moreouer in all the places where the said body rested as it came to London he erected great goodly crosses in her memory Vt à transeuntibus saith VValsingham
the 42. yeare of his raigne by a particular Statute And finally vpon the 50. yeare which was the last before he died he made another Statute intituled thus â—he libertyes of the Church confirmed So as all the former restraints were pretended for particular cases only mixt with temporaltyes and for remedy of some excesses and inconueniences without detraction of any thinge from the acknowledged supreme power of the Pope and Sea Apostolicke in meere spirituall matters 41. And how far then is all this that is alleadged here by M. Attorney from prouing that K. Edward the 3. did hold himself for supreme head of the Church euen in spirituall and Ecclesiasticall matters Or that his restraints before made in the cases set downe might bee a president or warrant either de facto or de iure to Q. Elizabeth to K. Henrie the 8. or K. Edward that followed him to denie wholy the Popes authoritie and take it to themselues And so much of this K. Edward the 3. whose religion iudgmeÌ„t though it were euer Catholicke as hath been said yet was his life and actions manie times disordinate and violent as of a souldiar warrier and this not onlie against the liberties of the Church but against the precepts of good life and gouernmeÌ„t also The first appeareth by a longe reprehension written vnto him with threatning likewise of excommunication from Iohn Stratford Archbishop of Canterburie vpon the yeare 1340. wherin he doth sett downe the manie greiuances which he did laie vpon the Church vniustlie And for the second it maie bee vnderstood as wel by the same narration of the foresaid Archbishop wherin he said to the king admonishing him of his fathers miserable end Ferè corda populo terra amisistis You haue almost lost the hearts of all the people of the land As also the same is euideÌ„t by the generall testimonie of our historiographers who make the later parte of his raigne to haue been very much disordered thereby also vnfortunate miserable as maie appeer by these words of VValsingham who hauing much commended other graces in him saith Luxus tameÌ„ motus suae carnis lubricos etiam in aetate senili non cohibuit c. he did not euen in his old age restraine the luxurious and fraile motioÌ„s of his owne flesh being much allured hereunto as is said by the incitation of a certaine dishonest woman named Alice Pierce that was with him vnto the end of his life and was cause of hastening the same And it is greatlie to bee noted as in the former parte of his raigne all things went prosperously with him so towards the later end in his old age through the demerit of his synnes all fell out contrarie c. OF KING RICHARD THE SECOND The tweluth King after the Conquest § I. 42. Next after the death of K. Edward succeded his Nephew K. Richard the 2. for 22. years sonne of Prince Edward surnamed the Black Prince who died not long before his father The child was but an eleuen yeares old when he tooke the Crowne and of verie great expectation but that youth wealth and commaundrie in that age with adulation and peruerse counsaile of licencious people that are wont to accompanie that state and condition of Princes drew him aside to his owne pittifull ruine in the end and would God in his life conuersation gouernment he had as well held the stepps and wisedome of his auncestors as he did in the outward maintenance of their religion and obedieÌ„ce towards the Sea Apostolicke for that probably it would haue preserued him froÌ„ the miseries whereunto hee fell though it bee true also that dissolution of life doth commonlie bring with it conteÌ„pt or neglect or lesse estimation of religion whervnto this man and some that were about him had the more occasion giuen them by the prophane and wicked doctrine of VViâ—kâ—liffe his fellows that preuailed much in these daies and brought many of the Common people to such fury contempt of all religion as their strange tumults and raging rebellions vnder their Captaines wat Tyler Iack Straw and other like vnruly rulers doe well declare 43. But yet the externall face of religion and practice therof receiued and established from the times of all former Kings was continued also by him in particular it is to be noted that no one King did euer more often confirme and ratifie the liberties of the Church then he which is as much to say as to establish the opposite negatiue proposition against M. Attorney professing heerby that he had not supreme authority in causes Ecclesiasticall for so much as the libertyes of the English Church did expressly consist in this that Church-men and Church-matters and all spirituall and ecclesiasticall affaires were a distinct gouernment from the temporall and subordinate only among themselues the one degree to the other and all mediately to the Sea Apostolicke and Bishops therof 44. For proofe then of this that King Richard did confirme and maintaine all the dayes of his raigne these libertyes franquises and priuiledges of the Church and of Clergy-men appeareth by his owne Statutes As for example by the first Statute made in his first yeare with this title A confirmation of the libertyes of the Church and the second Statute made in his second yeare hath the same title and subiect as also hath the first Statute of his third yeare and first of his 5. and first of his 6. and first of his seauenth yeare And so in like manner shall we find the very first Statutes of his 12. and 21. years to containe the same confirmation 45. And if I should stand vpon the enumeration of particular examples of the practice of these libertyes in Clergy-men of those dayes it would be ouerlonge as namely how all Bishops Archbishops Abbots and other Prelates elected according to the agreement before taken repaired to the Bishop of Rome for their confirmations and could not exercise any parte of their offices vntill they had the same And albeit according to the former decrees of the 25. and 27. yeares of K. Edward the 3. confirmed also in the 13. and 16. yeares of the raigne of this King reseruations of benefices or prouisions immediately from the Court of Rome were not admitted which little importeth our controuersie with M. Attorney yet this which includeth the maine ground substantiall fouÌ„dation of all acknowledgement of supreme spirituall power remained still vntouched to wit that no Bishop Archbishop or other Prelate by whomsoeuer he was presented chosen or nominated could or can at this day haue spirituall iurisdiction but either mediaté or immediatè from the Pastor of the Sea Apostolicke And this point did K. Richard maintaine and defend all dayes of his life which is the principal point as hath byn said of acknowledging the soueraigne authority of the Sea Apostolicke in spirituall affaires for that other things are but dependance of this as
as you haue heard And some cause might be also of this speciall commission for Iudges and Iustices to assist Bishops and so no doubt it was for that the said Lollards and VVickcliffians had not onlie been troublesome and daungerous to the State vnder the raignes of King Richard the secoÌ„d and Henry the 4. but vnto the person and life of this man also some moneths before this Statute by conspiring his death and raising a daungerous rebellion in S. Giles field by London as both VValsingham and other authoâ—s doe reporte and therefore no maruaile though authoritie be giuen as heer is said that the Sheriffes and other Officers maie aâ—â—est apprehend them and what maketh this for M. Attorneys purpose 25. But further I cannot but maruaile at his note in the margent Lollardy saith he is of lolio which signifieth Cockle for as Clockle is the destruction of the corne so is heresie of true religion and then doth he bring in two seuerall verses the one of Virgil and the other of Ouid about lolium shewing himself thereby a good grammarian though yet in the thing it self he was much deceiued For that Lollards and Lollardy being a particular sect of hereticks are not deriued from the latin word Lolium signifying cockle or darnel as the verie deriuation it self might easily shew but of the first author therof named Gualter Lolhard a German about the yeare of Christ 1315. as Tritemius in his Cronicle declareth and is larglie shewed in a booke some yeares past set forth in our English tongue by a Catholike writer which if M. Attorney had read he might easilie haue auoided this grosse mistaking From which also I maruaile that his affectioÌ„ to the men had not somewhat with-held him for that they were of his religion not cockle but good corne if wee beleiue his great historiographer and deuine Iohn Fox who setteth them out not onlie for good Christians but for Saints and martyrs in his bookes of Martyrologe Acts and Monuments But thus these men agree togeather Out of the raigne of King Henry the sixt the fiftenth King after the Conquest §. III. 26. Out of this Kings raigne which endured most Catholiklie for neere 40. yeares though vnfortunately through wars sedition and broiles of the Realme M. Attorney findeth onlie these three poore instances ensuing The Attorney Excommunication made and certified by the Pope is of no force to disable any man within England and this is by the auncient Common laws before anie Statute was made concerning forraine iurisdiction The King only may graunt or licence to found a spiritual incorporation In the raigne of K. Henry the 6. the Pope wrote letters in derogation of the King and his regalty and the Church-men durst not speake against them but Humfrey Duke of Glocester for their safe-keeping put them into the sier The Catholicke Deuyne 27. To the first hath been answered diuers times before that it appeareth to haue been an agreement at that tyme in England that the Popes Bulls of excommunication should not bee published by particular men but with the certificate of some Bishop for more authoritie c. as it is now also vsed in diuers Catholicke CouÌ„tries for auoiding the fraudes and practice of particular inquiet people that by false suggestions get Buls c. But that this was by the auncient CommoÌ„ laws before anie Statute made hath no probabilitie at all as by the whole Course of our auncient Catholicke Kings hath been declared And it groweth now somewhat loathsome and ridiculous to see M. Attorney runne so often to this common Chymera of auncient Common-lawes without shewing any or any likeli-hood that any such were or could bee in auncient tymes amongst our auncestors for that their religion deuotion sense and iudgement ran wholy to the contrary in those dayes Whervpon it followeth as often we haue said that if a Common-law could not be made admitted or authorized without some common consent of Prince and people it is vnpossible that such common laws should then bee as M. Attorney doth frame heer to his fansie vpon euery occasion that pleaseth him 28. That the King onlie maie graunt licence to found a spirituall incorporatioÌ„ maie bee vnderstood in two sortes First that the said incorporation cannot bee made or erected within his dominions or founded with lands goods or rents without his leaue and licence and this wee denie not Secondlie that the said spiritual incorporation should haue her spiritualtie from the King that is to saie her spirituall and ecclesiasticall priuiledges of being such an incorporation belonging to the Church And this wee haue seen by the practice of all times in England both before and after the Conquest to haue been euer sought and receiued from the Sea Apostolicke wherof wee haue a particuler demonstration set downe before in the 6. Chapter of this our Answere 29. The last which he obiecteth of the fact of Humfrey Duke of Glocester that cast as he saith the Popes letters into the fire for their safe-Keeping is rather a iest than an argument And I maruaile M. Attorney a man of his degree would bring it forth and print it also for an argument whether the thing be true or false For if it fell out as heer is noted in the margent vpon the first yeare of King Henry the 6. his raigne when the King was but eight moneths old and the said Duke his vncle Gouernour of the Land and in his cheifest ruffe who afterward came thereby to soe pittifull a ruine both of himself his freinds and the Realme euerie man maie see what force this iest maie haue which yet I haue not read in anie other author besydes M. Attorney and so to him I leaue it OF THE RAIGNE OF FOVRE ENSVING KINGS TO VVIT Edward the fourth Edward the fifth Richard the third and Henry the seauenth And how conforme they were vnto their auncestours in this point of controuersie which we haue in hand CHAP. XIIII THe line of Lancaster being put downe and remoued from the Crowne by the depriuation and death of K. Henry the 6. and his sonne as before you haue heard there entred the howse of Yorke with no lesse violeÌ„ce of armes and effusion of bloud but rather more then the other familie had done before by taking to it self the Crowne from the head of K. Richard the 2. For that Edward Duke of Yorke by dint of sword inuesting himself of the scepter by the same maintained it though with much trouble feares iealousies for the space of 22. yeares and then thinking to leaue it quietlie to his sonne Edward the 5. though with protestation and oath at his death as Syr Thomas More recordeth that if he could as well haue forseene the vanitie of that ambition as now with his more paine then pleasure he had proued he would neuer haue wonne the curtesie of mens knees with the losse of so manie heads
the same was taken from him soone after togeather with his life by the cruell ambition of Richard Duke of Glocester brother to the deceased King so little motion made his oration and protestation against ambition at his death in the heart of him that was so furiouslie set vpon the same and desired to bee in his place 2. This man entring then with such boisterous and vnnaturall iniquitie of the slaughter of two of his Nephews continued that violent gouernment for two yeares and some what more though with many afflictioÌ„s both inward and outward and finallie lost it againe with the losse of his life and proued with a shorter experieÌ„ce then his brother King Edward had done before him how much more paine then pleasure that place brought to the violent possessor especiallie if iniustice goe with it which is the cheife origen and fountaine of all disasterous small successe 3. This man therefore being taken away by the sword of Henrie Earle of Richmond called afterward King Henrie the seauenth he held the same for 24. yeares with different successe in different times for that the former parte of his raigne wanted not waues and sourges and some troublesome motions as in reason it could not so manie great tempests and fierce stormes hauing inquieted the sea before But the later parte of his raigne was more calme milde and sweet hee hauing partlie by his ofspring and linage and partlie by his marriage stopped that great breach and inundation of miseries that brake into our Realme by the diuision of the two howses of Lancaster and Yorke and partlie also by his prudent moderation and gouernment of the Crowne so calmed and quieted mens minds humours and passions as they tooke delight to liue in peace and in this state he left his Realme to his heire and successor King Henrie the eight 4. These foure Princes then succeeding ech one the other in the Crowne of England and holding the same between them for the space of 50. yeares togeather excepting one or two though one of them were not crowned but ought to haue byn which was King Edward the fifth another was crowned that should not haue byn to wit King Richard the third howsoeuer otherwise in regard of linage family faction pretention or succession they were opposite or different one from another in affection iudgement or action for temporall affaires yet in profession of religion were they all one all and euery one of them professing the same faith and holding the same forme of Christian Catholicke religion which all their auncestors had done both before and after the Conquest And this not only in other matters but in the very point also of our controuersie concerning the practice and acknowledgement of the soueraigne spirituall authority of the Church Sea Apostolicke of Rome which may breifly besides all other means be demonstrated by these reasons following 5. First for that none of them was euer noted for the contrary which they would haue byn eyther by freinds or aduersaryes if any such occasion had byn giuen by them especially in that great and bloudy contention between the two houses of Yorke and Lancaster wherin both partes did desire to haue the fauour and approbation of the Sea Apostolicke and good opinion of the Clergy at home And if any least signe or signification had byn giuen by any of these Princes of different iudgment or affection in this behalfe their aduersaryes would haue vrged the same presently to their preiudice and disgrace which we read not to haue byn done 6. Secondly the practice of the said authority and iurisdiction of the Sea Apostolicke vsed vnder these Kings as vnder all former except only the manner of execution in two or three particular cases before mentioned that were conioyned with temporalityes doth euidently conuince the same as namely that all English Bishops Archbishops and other Prelates being elected or nominated to any dignity had euer their Buls and confirmation from Rome and the Metropolitans their palls The Archbishops also of Canterbury that liued with these Kings Thomas Bewser Iohn Morton Henry Deane and VVilliam VVarham who was the last Catholicke Archbishop that held that Sea immediatly before Thomas Cranmer All these I say besides other points of testifying their obedience and subordination to the said Sea did according to the auncient stile of their Catholicke predecessours write themselues Legats of the Sea Apostolicke as may be seen in Fox and other Protestant-writers in relating their commissions in sitting vpon hereticks c. 7. Thirdly the said Iohn Fox doth sett downe in his storie of Acts and Monuments more wickcliffian Sectaries and Lollards to haue been condemned and burned vnder these Princes then commonly vnder anie other before which Sectaries as is knowne did principallie impugne the spirituall authoritie of the Sea of Rome which thinge it is likely the said Princes would not haue done or permitted if they had been euill affected themselues that waie And the said Fox in the end of King Henry the 7. his life doth set forth many painted and printed pageants of the Popes Greatnes in those daies more then euer before 8. And finally not to labour more in a matter so manifest and cleere of it self there was neuer more intercourse between England and Rome for spirituall affaires then vnder these Princes to witt for inductions and inuestitures to all spirituall iurisdiction as hath been said for dispensations indulgences interpretations in doubtfull matters priuiledges franquises Charters for confirmation of Churches Chappels Colledges or Monasteries that were buylded diuers Embassages also were sent to Rome and speciall Legats were sent to England vpon particular vrgent occasions And as these kings had allwaies their Orators ledgers in that Court so had the Popes of that time their ordinarie Nunciâ—s yea and Collectors also of their temporall commodities in England as wee may read in Polidor who among others commeÌ„deth highly the learned Cardinal Hadryan who had been the popes Collector vnder K. Henry the 7. as himself also was vnder K. Henry the 8. This then maie bee sufficieÌ„t for some generall notes and proofes of this truth for that to prosecute particulars in this Kind were ouer tedious Now then shall wee passe to peruse and answere briefly the instances which M. Attorney citeth out of the raignes of these Kings as little to his purpose as the former Instances out of the raigne of K. Edvvard the fourth the sixtenth King after the Conquest §. I. The Attorney 6. In the raigne of K. Edward the 4. the Pope graunted to the Prior of S. Iohns to haue Sanctuarie within his Priorie and this was pleaded and claimed by the Prior but it was resolued by the Iudges that the Pope had no power to graunt anie Sanctuarie within this Realme and therefore by iudgment of law the same was disallowed The Catholicke Deuine M. Attorney repeateth still the word Law to shew thereby that he
togeather in one as also for that they are of so small substance as they deserue not to be handled a part For as to the first concerning the buying of alume of the Florentines who doth not see but that it is a temporall case wherin the Realme of England or Marchants therof being interessed the State might pretend iust cause to differre the admission or execution of the Popes sentence of excommunication touching that affaire vntill they had better informed him of the truth or iustice of the cause in their behalfe For this is vsed ordinarily by all Catholicke Princes and States euen at this day 17. The second obiection about the punishment of Priests and Clergy-men by their Bishops and Archbishops hath nothing in it at all that may make for M. Attorneys purpose For that heere is not giuen by Parlament any new spirituall iurisdiction to Bishops Archbishops but some temporall enlargement is graunted to the same As for example that they may not only suspend and excommunicate and punish by their spirituall censures such licentious persons of life but may corporally punish them also by imprisonment and other wayes as heere is set downe And least any in such cases might make recourse vnto the temporall magistrate saying that they were imprisoned wrongfully and contrary to the common secular laws of the Realme this refuge is cut of by this Statute and absolute power giuen to Bishops Archbishops to punish in such cases as well corporally as spiritually wherby also appeareth that such delicts of Clergy-men were in those dayes to be inquired of and punished only in the Bishops Courts and not in the temporall which was a dignity and no small preheminence of the Prelates of England aboue many other Countreys who neither then nor now haue the like absolute preheminence in all things as before hath byn shewed For that diuers cases and causes doe appertaine only to spirituall Courts in England which are handled also by secular magistrates in sundry other countreys as namely that of Testaments and the like And this is to be ascribed to the speciall piety deuotion of our Catholicke Kings and Countrey 18. As for the third point wherin M. Attorney saith Rex est persona mixta adding this reason because he hath Ecclesiasticall and temporall iurisdiction Whosoeuer maketh this instance either M. Attorney or some other author of his he little seemeth to vnderstand what is needfull to induce Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction wherof he may need more at large in the second Chapter of this booke And as for the person of a King it may be named mixt in some other respects as namely for that a King is annointed and therby hath somewhat of a Clergy-man also though absolutely he be a lay-man as you haue heard before the great Christian Emperour Valentinian professe of him self Quod erat vnus de populo that he was a lay-man and not a Clergie-man He is likewise head of the whole Common-wealth wherin are members both Clergy and lay-men as before hath byn said and in that respect is he head of both partes and consequently mixt or common to them both But all this induceth not necessity of spirituall iurisdiction except it be committed vnto him from the Church and Prelates therof in whome originally it is as in the forenamed place we haue abundantly declared 19. And the like wee answere finally to the fourth and last obiection wherin it is said that the King maie dispense with a bastard to bee made Priest and with a Priest to haue two benefices and this by his Ecclesiasticall power and iurisdiction The matter must bee distinguished that the King maie dispense or giue his consent in these cases for so much as toucheth the Common wealth or maie bee hurtfull vnto it and no otherwise which is to say so far forth as it maie importe or preiudice the Commō-wealth that bastards not inheritable should be Priests or one Priest hold manie benefices But then this dispensation is not by anie iurisdiction spirituall as M. Attorney would inferre but temporall onlie of the Prince as hee is head of the Common wealth For as concerning spirituall dispensation appertaining to conscience for so much as the prohibition that Bastards shall not bee ordained Priests was not made first by temporall Princes but by the auncient Canons of the Church none can dispence properly therin but he that is spirituall head of the whole Church or some other by his commission 20. And by the same reason for that spirituall iurisdiction ouer soules which is the iurisdiction of him that hath a benefice cannot bee truely giuen or deliuered to anie man but by him that hath it in himself to wit some Prelate of the Church that hath it from the fountaine of succession from the Apostles as before hath been declared it followeth that none which hath not this iurisdiction by this means in himself can giue anie benefice to anie man and much lesse two or manie benefices that is to saie spirituall iurisdiction ouer manie flocks to one man except hee onlie that hath superior and mediate spirituall iurisdiction ouer the said flocks and their soules And heerby wee see that standing in the principles and grownds before set downe and manifestly proued M. Attorneys instance is to no purpose at all to the effect and sense wherin hee would haue it vnderstood 21. And this shall suffice for this place and for the raignes and liues of all Christian Princes of our Realme that liued in vnion and conformitie of one religion and acknowledgment of one supreme authoritie spiritual of the Sea Apostolicke of Rome from the first to the last that is to saie from King Ethelbert that receiued the first grace of our conuersion to the Christian Catholicke Roman religion vnto King Henry the 7. inclusiuè who being the last and neerest English auncestour to his Maiesty that now is and succeeding after aboue a hundred and twenty English Kings of the same religion ended happely also his life raigne therein without any change or alteration And if this sonne had followed the same course and held it out to the end as he did for two partes of three of his raigne he had byn thrice happy but Gods prouidence for his and our sinnes permitted otherwise We shall therfore see breifly the manner means occasions motiues and euents therof in the ensuing Chapter OF THE RAIGNE OF K. HENRY THE EIGHT And of his three children King Edward Queene Mary and Queene Elizabeth And how the first innovation about Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction was made and continued in their dayes CHAP. XV. NOVV are we come vnto the time wherin great change indeed and alteration was made in our Countrey by particular Statutes and Nationall laws so far forth as a perpetuall and vniuersall receiued truth by nationall and temporall decrees could be altered in the foresaid point of spirituall and Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction For that K. Henry
the eight after two partes of three of his raigne wherin he had not only acknowledged and practised according to the vse of all his predecessours but singularly also defended and propugned by publicke writing the Catholicke consent of all Christendome concerning the Soueraignty of the Sea of Rome therin did at length vpon certaine occasions of particular distast anger and exasperation falling out betweene Pope Clement the 7. and him about the diuorce of his wife Queen Catherine daughter of Spaine and the marriage of Lady Anne Bullen in in her place to neither of which the said Pope would consent make strange innouations by little little as first threatning and the said Pope then substracting some of his authority and giuing it to others and finally taking all vnto himself Which deuise being once begun was continued after his death by the gouernours of his young sonne King Edward though with lesse probability and apparance of truth as before hath byn noted then reiected againe by his daughter Queene Mary who restored the same whence it was taken but reassumed though in a different deuise of words by his second daughter Q. Elizabeth that least of all was capable of it as in precedent chapters hath byn declared So as heere though M. Attorney doth euery where talke of auncient laws and common consent there is neither anquity vnity conformity consent or continuance of anie moment to bee found which will better appeare by that wee haue briefly to touch of ech one of these Princes raignes in particular Of King Henry the eyght who was the twentith King after the Conquest §. I. 2. This Prince succeeding his father King Henry the 7. in the flower of his youth when he was but 18. yeares of age but adorned with many rare graces both of mind and body tooke the scepter in hand with as great expectation of his people neighbours round about him as euer did Prince of our land before or after him and for the space of more then 20. yeares performed the same in all points of an excellent Prince both in peace and warre vntill he fell into that vnfortunate fatall breach with his wife and Queene and disordinate appetite of the other that succeeded her whervpon ensued all those strange and vnexpected mutations which afterward were seene one thing giuing occasion and making way to the other as the euents declared 3. But among all other points of Catholicke doctrine no one was more obserued by this King while he remained in his auncient peace of mind then that of his due acknowledgment subordination and respectiue correspondence with the Sea Apostolicke which being in his dayes begun to be impugned togeather with many other points of Christian religion by Martyn Luther an Apostata Friar of Germany and his followers King Henry out of his great zeale and feruour towards the said religion and Sea Apostolicke tooke vpoÌ„ him to write a special learned booke in defence therof against the said Luther which booke he sent to Rome presenting it to Pope Leo the tenth subscribed by his owne â—and which I haue seen by a speciall Embassadour for that purpose Doctor Clerke Bishop of Bath and VVells that made an earnest speach and eloquent oration at the deliuery therof in protestation and commendation of his Kings high and resolute zeale in this behalfe all which being extant in print I remit the Reader thervnto for his better satisfaction 4. Only I cannot pretermit to recite in this place some of his words which he vseth in that booke in defence of the Popes Ecclesiasticall Supremacy which himself afterward vpon new passions rising so greatly impugned Thus then he wrote against Luther in those dayes Non tam iniurius ero Pontifici vt anxiè sollicitè de eius Iure disceptem tanquam res haberetur pro dubia c. I will not offer so much iniury vnto the Pope as earnestly and carefully to dispute heere of his right as though the matter might be held in doubt it is sufficient for that which now we haue in hand that his enemy Luther sheweth himself so much to be carried away with passion and fury as he taketh all faith and credit from his owne sayings cleerly declaring his malice to be such as it suffereth him neither to agree with himself nor to consider what he saith So be 5. And then after a large confutation of Luthers fond opinion and furious assertion that the pope neither by diuine or humane law but onlie by vsurpation and Tyrannie had gotten the headshipp of the Church K. Henry vseth two stong reasons and arguments against him among other to represse his maddnes therein The first of generall consent from antiquitie saying Negare non potest c. Luther cannot deny but that all the faithfull Christian Churches at this daie doe acknowledge and reuerence the holie Sea of Rome as their mother and Primate c. And if this acknowledgment is grounded neither in diuine nor humane right how hath it taken so great and generall roote How was it admitted so vniuersally by all Christendome When began it how grew it to bee so great And wheras humane consent is sufficient to giue humane right at least how can Luther saie that heer is neither diuine nor humane right where there is and hath been for time out of minde so vniuersall humane consent c. Certe si quis rerum gestarum monumenta reuoluat inueniet iam olim protinùs post pacatum orbâ—m plerasque omnes Christiani Orbis Ecclesias obtemperasse Romana c. Truly if a man will looke ouer the monuments of things and times past he shall find that prefently after the world was pacified from persecution the most parte of Christian Churches did obay the Roman yea and the Greeke Church also though the Empire were passed to that parte wee shall find that shee acknowledged the Primacy of the same Romane Church but only wheÌ„ shee was in Schisme And as for S. Hierome though he were no Roman yet did hee in his daies ascribe so much authoritie and preheminence to the Roman Church as he affirmed that in matters of great doubt it was sufficient for his faith to bee allowed and approued by the Pope of Rome c. This is the first argument vrged by King Henry of antiquitie and consent 6. Another hee alleadgeth of impossibilitie for the Pope to haue attained by force and Tyrannie to so great authoritie as he had according to Luthers calumniation the effect is this Cum Lutherus tam impudenter pronunciet c. Whereas Luther so impudeÌ„tly doth affirme that the Pope hath his Primacie by no right neither diuine nor humane but onlie by force and Tyrannie I doe wonder how the mad fellow could hope to find his Readers so simple or blockish as to beleiue that the Bishop of Rome being a Priest vnarmed alone without temporall force or right either diuine or humane as he supposed
the memorie of Queen Marâ—e without mentioning her at all so could I haue done also but that my purpose is to passe through the raignes of all our Princes without ouerpassing of anie And it maie serue also to our purpose to consider therby the broken and interrupted succession of this new headshipp in the Father sonne and daughters For as the Father by his Act had contradicted all his auncestors Kings of England before him from the beginning of their Conuersion vnto his daies so his sonne though succeeding him in the participation of that act yet contradicted him in all the rest that hee decreed touching matters of religion by vertue of that headshipp after him then came th' elder daughter who coÌ„tradicted them both and restored all to the auncient state againe wherin it had coÌ„tinued throughout the race of al her auncestors progenitors of England and Spaine for a thousand yeares and more So as heer M. Attorneys prescription can bee verie small for so much as his whole thrid therof was broken and cut of by Q. Marie and consequently he must begin againe with Q. Elizabeths raigne as the fountaine of all his deduction 32. And for so much as Queen Marie hauing as a deuout obedient and Catholicke Princesse returned al things belonging to religion to their auncient state and coÌ„dition wherin her Father found them and her Grand-father left them shee repealed and mortified all such Statutes of innouations and new deuises as shee found to haue been made vpoÌ„ anie occasion or fansie what soeuer during the time of her said Father and brother reducing her self in obsequium fidei to the humble obedience of that only faith which had been held and practised in Christs vniuersall Church and namely also in England from the beginning vnto her said Fathers daies punishing likewise diuers of the heads and authors of those new innouations and alterations that had been made and mamely and aboue others the chiefe author and instrument of all Thomas Cranmer Archbishop of Canterburie who entring Catholikly as was thought into that dignity was the first Archbishop that euer failed or dissented in his faith froÌ„ the rest or from the obedience and subordination to the Sea Apostolicke and so by gods iudgmeÌ„t came to bee a stange example of a miserable end to bee burned publikly for his heresies and for that in particular against which his noble and learned predecessours Lanfrancus Anselmus and other Archbishops of Canterburie had foughten most famously aboue other learned men when it first sprang vp in Berengarius the first author and inuentor therof in the daies of VVilliam the Conquerour I meane the deniall of the Reall presence in the blessed Sacrament which of all other heresies was most hatefull vnto him for whose sake Cranmer first of all declined to schisme and heresie I meane King Henry the eight yea and to himself also for a tyme after the others death as may appeare by the foresaid first Statute made cheifly by his authority in the first yeare of King Edwards raigne in fauour of the said Reall presence against the Sacramentaryes 33. All which being so euery man may behold what ground or certainty there was in those dayes or is now for men to leave the Catholicke knowne religion and cast the saluation of their soules vpon such alterations as these were For that after Queen Mary who had restored all to the auncient state as hath byn said came her younger sister Queen Elizabeth a Lady of some fiue and twenty yeares of age who by little and little altered all againe agreeing in all points neither with the one nor with the other neither with them that had made the former alterations but brought in a new and distinct forme and fashion of beleiuing worshipping God peculiar to it self in diuers points and differing from all in some Of which innouation by the said younger sister against the elder they being the only two Queens that euer haue raigned in their owne right within our land since the beginning of Christianity we shall now passe to speake a few words and so end this whole discourse of our English Princes and their religion Of the raigne of Queen Elizabeth who was the three and twentith Princesse after the Conquest and last of King Henryes race §. v. 34. This Lady being the daughter of King Henry and Queene Anne Bullen comming to raigne after the foresaid Queen Mary her sister was persuaded to resume and take to her self that supreme spirituall power and iurisdiction which Queen Mary her elder sister had refused and caused to be restored to the place and persons from whom it was taken by her Father and brother And I say she was persuaded therevnto for that it is the opinion of many men that knew her and conuersed with her both before and after her entrance to the Crowne that she had neither great desire to take it at the beginning nor opinion that she might doe it but only that she was told it was necessary to her present state at that time in regard of diuers Popes sentences past against her legitimation the lawfullnes of her Parents marriage and the pretense of the Queen of France and Scotland at that tyme vpon 〈◊〉 supposed desect to the Crowne of England as due to her â—â—ough the others illegitimation 35. For remedy of all which it was made a matter necessary that she should take the said authority Ecclesiasticall from the Pope and Sea of Rome and place it in her self especially when by negociation of some that desired the change it was brought about that the ParlameÌ„t should offer it vnto her vnder this plausiâ—â— Title of An Act for restoring to the Crowne the ancient iurisdictioÌ„ of the 〈◊〉 Ecclesiasticall and spirituall and the act it self so cunningly and â—â—â—ertly penned as before hath byn said as throughout the same â—â—re is not found so much as once mentioned or named The head of the Church which euery-where is iterated vrged in the Statutes that gaue the same power to her Father and brother but in steed therof commeth in the deuise before mentioned of Supreme Gouernesse with authority to visit reforme correct errors heresies câ—â—ses c. And al this for sweetning the matter as a man may say to this Lady at the beginning who besides the other reason of Caluins mislike reprehension therof before mentioned in King Henry the eight had little opinion or appetite of the matter in those dayes not being ignorant for that she was of excellent wit how strange a thing it would seeme in the world to haue one of her sex Supreme in sacred and Ecclesiasticall matters iâ— ijt â—ua sunt ad Deum to vse S. Pauls words in this case that is to say in those things that are to be handled with God for men or between God and man 36. But being tolde by some in good sadnes at that time and M. Attorney offereth to stand to it
one was a worshipfull gentleman of our owne Countrey yet liuing that resided then in that Court and had often conference with the said Monsieur Lansacke about the matter 41. And by all this we may see that the said Queen was drawne to many things against her owne inclination much resistance she made at the beginning for diuers dayes to admit any change of religion and therevpon presently euen before her Coronation she caused proclamation to be made that none should preach saith Stow but such as should be appointed that no rites or ceremonies vsed in the Church should be altered but as it was in her owne Chappell and this to preuent such innouators as she knew would presently be doing if they were not preuented against whom she would often speake bitterly and contemptuously in secret with certaine noble men whom she knew to be Catholicke complayning of their importunity and signifying her owne good affection toward Catholicke people and that she was vrged on by those other far beyond her owne inclination which she declared in like manner by keeping the Crosse and crucifix of Christ in her Chappell for diuers yeares against the bitter exclamations of the said turbulent people wherof the forenamed Doctor Harding giueth testimony also in his said epistle dedicated to herself saying Your constant bearing and vpholding of the banner and ensigne of our redemption the image I meane of Christ crucified against the enemyes of his Crosse your Princely word commaunding a Treacher that opened his lewd mouth againsâ— the Renerend vse of the said Crosse in your priuate Chappell to retire from that vngodly digresâ—â—â— vnto his text of holy scripture c. doth well shew your good inclination So he 42. And all this I haue thought good omitting many other things to this effect to mention in this place for some parte of excuse if it may be of the many and greiuous afflictions laid vpon her Catholicke subiects afterward by her authority for profession of the said faith and religion which herself at the beginning seemed not to mislike And surely her example may be a dreadfull president how far and daungerously Princes may be led by arte and importunity of others if they be not wachfull to resiste them at the beginning For that this Princesse notwithstanding her milde gentle disposition which you haue heard was drawne on by little and little to make more greiuous Statutes Decrees and Ordinances against that parte of her subiects which might haue byn held vnited vnto her then euer perhaps did Prince before her either Pagan or Christian against any sorte of malefactors whatsoeuer 43. And of this let the multiplicity of statutes extant against them be witnes the death of so many Priests and others of that religion yea of her deerest and neerest in bloud that then was liuing togeather with the imprisonments vexations and tribulations of innumerable good subiects for that cause which brought her finally after many troubles and terrours distrusts and iealousies to that melancholike afflicted state of mind wherin she died All which had byn auoided if to vse her owne phrase they would haue let her alone and left her to her owne disposition and mylde inclination but now the accoumpt must remaine vnto herself 44. And so to conclude for so much as these Statutes which M. Attorney doth mention heer to haue byn made by her against Catholickes and principally against the spirituall iurisdiction of the Sea of Rome and braunches therof did not so much proceed of her owne proper inclination and disposition if we beleife the former testimonies as of other mens instigation or if they did they were made in defence of her owne Ecclesiasticall Supremacy newly taken or laid vpon her it shall to be needfull for me to answere them so particularly as I haue done the rest before cited sauing only to certaine erroneous assertions and iniurions asseuerations added by M. Attorney himself in his enumeration and declaration therof which we shall performe in the next ensuing Chapter and conclusion of this whole worke CERTAINE EXPOSTVLATIONS VVITH M. ATTORNEY ABOVT EVIL PROCEEDING And iniuryes offered to sundry sortes of men in this his Booke of Reportes especially tovvards the end therof Togeather with the Conclusion of the whole worke CHAP. XVI ALbeit in the beginning and first entrance of this my answere I promised and so I presume hath been perfourmed to hold a milde and respectiue course of temperate writing throughout the same yet drawing now towards an end and finding M. Attorney to imitate the motion of naturall bodies who the neerer they come to their Center the more vehemently they mooue that is to saie to bee so much the more bitter eager and iniurious to Catholicks as he draweth neerer to the vpshot of his Worke and designed Center of their dammage hurte and preiudice I am forced in this place somewhat also to sharpen my pen for repelling so manie manifest vndeserued iniuries which craftely he goeth about in his last coÌ„clusion to couch vpon them but yet retaining still our former measure of moderation friendly dealing so far as the nature circumstance of the busines may beare permit intituling this Chapter rather of Expostulations then accusations on our behalfe which for that they concerne diuers sortes of men wee shall handle distinctly vnder the seuerall ensuing Paragraphes THE FIRST EXPOSTVLATION In the behalfe of Recusant Catholicks of England greiuously iniured by the Attorney §. I. 2. To the end you may better iudge of the equity of this our first expostulation I thinke it best to set downe the iniquitie of the Attorneys false charge in his owne words which are these in the 34. and 35. leaues of this his 5. parte of Reportes wholy directed to their hurte and preiudice From the first vntill the eleuenth yeare saith he of the late Queen Elizabeths raigne no person of what persuasion of Christian religion soeuer at anie time refused to come to the publike diuine seruice celebrated in the Church of England being euidently grounded vpon the sacred and infallible VVord of almightie God and established by publicke authoritie within this Realme But after the Bul of Pius Quintus was published against her Maiesty in the said 11. yeare of her raigne c. all they that depended on the Pope obaied the Bull disobaied their gratious and natural Soueraigne and vpon this occasion refused to come to the Church c. 3. Heer you see two things boldly affirmed First that in 11. yeares after Queen Elizabeths comming to her Crowne no person of what persuasion soeuer in Christian religion did at anie time refuse to goe to Church vntill the Bul of Pius Quintus came forth against her The secoÌ„d that vpon this occasion Catholicks not holding the Queen for their lawfull Princesse for so afterward he often expoundeth himself refused to come to Church Both which points if wee can shew to bee most manifestly false and the second
the name and dreadfull voice of heresie sect or schisme so common now in these our daies so ordinarie in everie mans mouth as ech one of different opinioÌ„s esteemeth the other for Hereticke Sectarie or Schismatike which notwithstanding if wee consider the course and sacred sense of holie scripture especiallie for the new testament as also the iudgment feeling and meaning of all auncient Fathers and of the whole primitiue Christian Church in their daies wee shall find to bee the most greiuous accusation most odious daungerous and damnable imputation to be accoumpted an hereticke or sectary that can possibly be imagined or laid vpon any Christian in this life yea that all other crimes laid togeather which by mans malice or diabolicall induction can bee committed are not equall to this onlie crime of heresie for so doe all learned Catholicke Deuines hold and determine in their generall positions of this matter as may bee seen in one for all in the Summe of S. Thomas where setting downe first that infidelitie against God which is the highest crime of all other hath three kinds or members vnder it Paganisme Iudaisme and Heresie the said Doctor making the question which of these three is the greatest synne determineth vpon verie substantiall grounds and reasons that albeit in some respects to wit in regard of the greater multitude of Christian articles which Pagans and Iewes doe denie more them hereticks doe yet in malice which maketh the principall point of sinne and draweth on more grieuous damnation heresie is a greater infidelitie then is either Paganisme or Iudaisme and consequenly more damnable which I leaue heere to proue and confirme out of the conformitie of holie scriptures as that of S. Paul to Titus that an hereticall man is subuerted damned by his owne iudgment and other such places It is sufficient for setling our dread and feare in this behalfe that the whole consent of Schoole-Doctors vpon this alleadged article of S. Thomas doe agree that it is more daungerous and damnable to fall into heresie then to bee a Iew or Pagan 27. With which seueritie of Censure doe concurre also fullie the auncient Fathers of the Primitiue Christian Church whose sentences were oâ—erlonge to cite in this place but you may see a shorte view thereof gathered togeather vpon another occasion in a certaine booke lately set forth where the consenting woords of the most principall said auncient Doctors are laid togeather affirming that who soeuer by schisme or heresie is cut of froÌ„ the faith coÌ„mmunioÌ„ of the generall knowne Catholicke Church is most certainly to bee damned and cannot bee saued though hee should otherwise liue neuer so well praie neuer so much giue neuer so great almes haue neuer so god inteÌ„tioÌ„ other wise yea though hee should offer his life shed his bloud suffer neuer so manie torments for Christ his name loue and religion 28. This then being so and adioyning yet further to this consideration another generall position of our said learned Deuines which is as the foresaid renowned Doctor S. Thomas setteth it downe that whosoeuer in anie one least article of Catholicke religioÌ„ doth run into heresie or beleiueth not the said article as hee should doe but obstinately rather impugneth the same he leeseth his whole faith not onlie in that point which hee discrediteth but in all other points also which hee beleiued before and persuadeth himself to beleiue still this I saie being so which the said learned Schole-Doctor proueth by euident arguments demonstratiue groundes to bee true M. Attorney may imagine what stay and repugnance wee may haue out of the feare of our consciences in this behalfe easilie to make new choice or changes of religion in these daies For as if a learned experieÌ„ced Phisition should come shew out of auncieÌ„t reading that there were a Kind of most deadly dreadfull sorte of plague or Epidemia to bee feared and fled aboue all the rest when it cometh for that no hope of life or escape can be giuen from it that withall hee should affirme that now the said plague begaÌ„ to be coÌ„mon in such and such places yea so coÌ„mon as many men did contemne it and make it but a iest though all perished with it that fel into it as in this case I saie wise-meÌ„ would looke about them hearing that so pestilent perilous infectioÌ„ were on foote in their daies so much more in this other infection of the soule leading most certainly to euerlasting death daÌ„nation as al the most learned spirituall Phisitions of Christs holy Church haue euer taught vs haue we reason to bee carefull timerous vigilant what we doe what change we make whither we goe froÌ„ whence we departe the saying of S Athanasius being so dreadfull in his Creed that whosoeuer doth not beleiue and hold the Catholicke faith wholie and entirely absque dubio in aeternum peribit shal without all doubt perish euerlastinglie 29. And S. Augustine after him hauing set downe vnto his freind Quod-vult-Deus a catalogue of the most cheife and knowne heresies and erroneous opinions noted against hereticks from the Apostles time to his daies wherof diuers are expressly raised againe by new gospellers in these our times as there you may see in that hee writeth of Aerius Aetius Iouinian Vigilantius and others hee commeth lastly to affirme and conclude in the end of that booke that as it is damnable to hold anie one of those heresies there by him set downe so was it not sufficient to saluation to bee free only from those for that there might bee other opinions discrepant also from the Catholicke beleife lurking in corners which hee had not heard of and moreouer there might other new spring vp from time to time Qâ—â—rum aliquaÌ„ saith hee quisquis tenuerit Christianus Catholicus esse non potest Of which whosoeuer shall hold any one and let vs marke anie one he cannot be a Christian Catholicke and consequentlie cannot be saued in S. Augustines iudgment 30. And for so much as now in all this controuersie between M. Attorney and vs wee haue shewed his opinions and assertions to bee so different from those of all our English Christian Commonwealth from the beginning vnto our times which wee on the other side haue shewed to be trulie Catholicke and common to the whole Christian world besides all men of indifferencie wil coÌ„sider what reasoÌ„ we haue in making such stay as we doe from passing lightlie to his Current how little reason he hath or had to charge vs so deeplie and iniuriouslie that our stay was vpon so euill and odious causes as before he charged vs. And thus much of this second expostulation THE THIRD EXPOSTVLATION In the name of all moderate and peace-louing subiects whatsoeuer §. III. 31. My third complaint or expostulation with M. Attorney is yet more generall as concerning not onlie all sortes of Catholickes whatsoeuer but other
men in like manner of any profession in Christian religion that are wise moderate peaceable and desirous of the tranquillitie of the Prince and State where they liue who out of their prudence easilie doe foresee cannot but incurre danger of perturbation by immoderate exasperation of minds when particular men otherwise not loued but rather hated or enuyed for their extraordinarie fortunes riches and aduauncements doe passe to such insolencie of speach and beuauiour as they seeke to drawe whole multitudes into disgrace and daunger by vniust oppresion We know and may remember out of our histories what general exulceratioÌ„ of hartes haue risen in former years against Huberts de Burgo Gauestons SpeÌ„cers Mortimers Veares Scroops Catesbies Ratcliffes Louels Empsons Dudleys and other vpon like occasions for that they were thought or suspected to incite the Prince vnder whome they liued to the vndeserued hurts and ruines of many others 32. And surelie what M. Attorney hath perfourmed or attempted in this behalfe partlie by his iniurious speaches at the barrs where he pleadeth partlie by this his Booke and other means against so great a multitude of his Maiesties Subiects as the Catholicke partie and their well-willers are both at home and abroad is not heard to consider for so much as he maketh their verie beleife or act of vnderstanding which lyeth not in their handes to alter at their pleasure to bee disloialtie and treason as before hath byn shewed and consequentlie that against their wills they must be traitors Wherof ensueth againe another consequence worse then this which is that when men see themselues vrged egged and pressed in matters that lie not in their owne hands to remedie this also as they persuade themselues not so much by the inclination of the Prince as by the importunitie insolencie of others that being wanton with wealth delight themselues in other mens vexations this perswasion I say when once it entereth into the head of multitudes in any common-wealth driueth men to extreme impatience and vtter despaire of redresse the only remedy wherof is none other but to preuent the occasion it selfe 33. And truly it may be probably hervpon inferred and so it is also thought of diuers at home and abroad that this Booke of Reportes of M. Attorneys comming forth at the time when it did and beating to the end which before we haue seen presented also particularlie to his Maiesty as hath byn said much praised by the same accompanied also at that time with no small multitude of other afflictions laid vpon the Catholicke people throughout all partes of our Realme and many more threatned and expected dailie by them this I say togeather with the circumstance of the authorsperson eyed greatly for his extraordinarie wealth and ouerflowing fortunes might bee some cause of furthering of this late most dangerous and lamentable attempt in our owne Countrey so greatly noysed and talked of at his day throughout the Christian world 34. Wherfore the summe of this my expostulation with M. Attorney is that hee being otherwise a wise and learned man as in his profession I take him to bee by his preferments and not insolent or cruell by nature as willinglie I incline to beleiue would at such a time as he saw so great a multitude of Catholike people greiuously afflicted for their religion come forth with so odious and new drift against them as this is adding affliction to the afflicted and endeauoring to proue against them that which hee neither hath done nor euer will bee able to witt that the verie profession of their religion implyeth disloyaltie to their temporall King and Prince Which thinge albeit some other lighter companions leuioris armaturae milites ministers to witt of diuers sortes haue not sticked iniuriously to cast out yet for a man of M. Attorneys place and ranke to affirme it so seriously and to promise also Demonstratiue proofs therof by the auncient Common-laws of our Realme was a matter of farre more impression and must needs worke more daungerous and greiuous exulceration of minds which is the ordinarie effect of such insolencie and importunities 35. Well gentle Reader I will entertaine thee no longer with these expostulations to M. Attorney and others that by his authoritie and example haue or may vrge the like odious argument Wherof some alreadie haue begun to tread his stepps not onlie by suggesting and vrging that which so hurtefullie was suggested to K. Roboam against the bearing somewhat with his afflicted people but also by vrging exulcerating other odious points that driue to desperation as before hath been said and consequently I must needs conclude with the saying of the Prophet against such makers of diuisioÌ„ Vae ijâ— qui dispergunt woe be to them that doe disperse and deuide to witt the sheep from their shepheard the children from their father the people from their Prince the subiects from their King and one sorte of subiects from the other whereas all were to bee held togeather tollerated suffered vnited entertained cherished and comforted as much as may bee for that in the multitude loue vnion and affection of the subiects standeth the riches wealth strength coÌ„forte honour and securitie of the Prince as all men will confesse 36. And with this will I end all this whole discourse and Answere of myne to M. Attorney beseeching almightie God that it may worke that effect with him and others for their true light and vnderstanding in the controuersie wee haue in hand which is necessarie for their and our eternall good for I am contented to leaue for my last words of this booke those wherewith M. Attorney thought best to end also his which are That miserable is his case and worthie of pittie that hath been persuaded before he was instructed and now will refuse to bee instructed because 〈◊〉 will not bee persuaded FINIS Faultes escaped in the Printing Pag. 12. lin 38. for axaggâ—ration Read exaggeration Pag. 17. lin vlt. for circumfetence read circumference Pag. 20. lâ—n 3. for knovv read knowen Pag. 26. lin 14. Mediâ—ation read Mediation Pag. 36. lin 9. in some copyes Pater nuâ—c read Pater tuus Pag. 40. lin 2. for sunne read summe Ibid. lin 3. for is read as Pag. 47. lin 24. Ruland shire read Rutland-shire Pag. 52. lin 7. for is read it Pag. 54. lin 5. Canoinst read Canonist Pag. 65. lin 13. for Orae read Oro. Pag. 66. lin 17. for some read sonne Pag. 73. lin 13. purpose all adde at all Pag. 74. lin 38. vve are professe adde to professe Pag. 75. lin 23. for excude read exclude Pag. 82. lin 34. for the in Church read in the Church Pag. 85. lin 6. for be being read he being Pag. 86. lin 39. for preath read preach Pag. 99. lin 22. for the Rome read to Rome Pag. 100. lin 36. for hea-magistrate read heathen magistrate Pag. 102. lin 4. that the vvrote read that he wrote Pag. 109. lin 24. for precedessors
read predecessors Pag. 117. lin 12. for religions read Religious Pag. 118. lin 14. for men desires read mens desires Pag. 122. lin 33. for quetting read quietting Pag. 129. lin 11. for endevving read endowing Pag. 152. lin 12. for Tyrus read Cyrus Pag. 168. lin 31. ovvne his vvords read his owne words Pag. 177. lin 25. for bad read had Pag. 191. lin vlt. in some copyes for hape read haue Pag. 208. lin 39. for sâ—ruiued read suruiued Pag. 209. lin 10. for hir read his Pag. 225. lin 20. for the read she Pag. 229. lin 26. for aginst read against Pag. 254. lin 36. hath said adde hath byn said Pag. 270. lin 26. for my read any Pag. 275. lin 10. for pecular read peculiar Ibid. lin 22. for theraâ—ut read therabout Pag. 278. lin 35. for began read begun In the Margentes Pag. 17. for controsies read controuersies Pag. 85. for lavvoy read lawes Pag. 146. for had read bad Pag. 383. for Castus read Calixtus Pag. 180. for 25. read 35. Pag. 132. for hauing read raigning It may please thee gentle Reader of thy curtesy to pardon these and other like faultes if any shal be found and consider vvith thy selfe the difficultyes we haue in vsing the help of straungers herin A TABLE OF THE PARTICVLAR MATTERS CONTEYNED IN THIS BOOKE A. ABbyes Monasteryes founded in England by Religious Catholicke Princes Cap. 6. à num 37. vsque ad num 49. Abbey of Euesham priuiledged from Rome cap. 6. num 42. Abbey of S. Albans founded by K. Offa. cap. 6. num 43. The priuiledges and exemptions of the same ibid. Abbey of Glastensbury priuiledged by Pope Iohn the thirtenth cap. 6. num 45. Abbey of VVestminster priuiledged at the petition of K. Edward the Confessor cap 6. num 47. 48. Abbot of VValtham punished why cap. 12 num 29. 32. Absurdityes of Statute-decrees in Parlament about spirituall power giuen to secular Princes cap. 3. n. 6.7.18.19.20 21. 22. 23. 24. Absurdity of a womans Supremacy in spirituall matters cap. 4. num 27. Absolution of K. Henry the second by the Popes Legates cap. 9. nu 12 13. S. Adelmus Bishop of Sherborne his voyage to Rome cap. 6. num 40. His booke of Virginity ibid. n. 42. Adelnulph King of England his confirmation of Peter-Pence to Rome cap 6. num 71. Agreement betweene the Pope and K. of England about Prouisions of Ecclesiasticall dignityes in England cap. 12. num 12. 39. S. Ambrose his iudgement of spirituall power cap. 2. n 25. 26. His combattes and conflictes with the Emperour and Empresse about Church-affayres ibid. n. 27.28 29. Ancient-Fathers directions how to find out truth cap. 1 n. 17. 18. Their freedome of speach to Emperours cap. 4. n. 4. 5. 6. S. Anselme Archbishop of Canterbury his commendations cap. 8. num 2. His pall brought from Rome by the Popes Legat. ibid. num 4. His plaine dealing with K. VVilliam Rufus ibid. num 5. His reconciliation with K Henry the first ibid. num 11. Appellations to Rome about Controuersies that fell out in England cap. 6. n. 49. 50. deinceps Appeale of K. Henry the second to the Pope about the controuersie of the death of S. Thomas of Canterbury cap. 9. n. 11. Appeales from K. Richard the first to the Pope cap. 9. num 23. Appeale of Richard Archbishop of Canterbury to Rome against K. Henry the third cap. 10. num 17. Archbishop of Canterbury accused to the Pope by K. Edward the first cap. 11. num 16. Archbishop of Canterbury depriued of spirituall Iurisdiction by Q. Elizabeth cap. 11. num 30. Archbishop of Yorke put to death by commaundement of King Henry the fourth cap. 15. num 23. Arguments of K. Henry the 8. against Luther for the Popes Supremacy cap. 15. num 5. 6.7 deinceps Assertions of Protestants and the foundation therof Prefac num 7. S. Athanasius his seuere reprehension of the Emperour Constantius cap. 4. num 8. M. Attorney his imagined ignorance cap. 1. num 12. His condemnation of controuersy-wryters ibid. num 26.27.28 29. His time of study in law ibid. n. 34. His absurd propositions and arguments refuted cap. 3. per totum deinceps per totum librum His arguments and shiftes returned vpon himselfe cap. 4. num 9 12. His new deuise to make Ecclesiasticall lawes the Kinges lawes ibid. num 13. 14. M. Attorney challenged cap. 6. n. 28. Iniuryes offered by him to many in this his booke cap. 16. per totum His false charge of Catholickes ibid. num 2. His iniurious and slanderous calumniations ibid. num 10. His manifest notorious vntruthes ibid. num 11. His Idaea Plaetonica of ancient comon-lawes ibid. num 13. His false information of his Maiesty that now is ibid. num 15. 16. His promise not performeable ibid. num 34. S. Augustines seuere sentence against heretickes and heresies cap. 16. n. 29. S. Augustine of Canterbury his successors by appointment from Rome cap. 6. num 20. Authority spirituall temporall the difference therof cap. 2. n. 4. 5. Authority Episcopall greater then Imperiall cap. 2. num 25. Authority spirituall giuen vnto Q Elizabeth by Parlament cap. 3. num 3. The absurdityes and inconueniences therof ensuing ibid. num 4. 5. Authority of Bishops Courtes from whence it is deriued cap. 13. num 17. Authority of English Prelates when England was Catholike cap. 14. n. 17. B. Bastardy a let or hinderance to Priesthood cap. 14. num 19. S. Benedict of Northumberland his voyage to Rome for priuiledges of his monastery cap. 6. num 39. Benefices collated by lay-men cap. 7. num 26. 29. S. Bertulph his monastery priuiledged from Rome cap. 6. num 39. Bigamy cap. 11. num 30. 31. A statute therof by K. Edward the first ibidem Doubts therabout raised in England ibid. num 31. 32. Bishops made in EnglaÌ„d by the Popes authority cap. 6. num 21. 22. Bishops lands seased into the Kinges handes and why cap. 11. num 28. Bishops how they might be punished for not admitting the Kinges iust presentation cap. 11. num 29. Bishop of Hereford taken from the barre of secular Court by Ecclesiasticall authority cap. 11. num 46. Bishops and Prelates of England sent to the Councell of Constance in Germany cap. 13. num 6. Bishops how they may be called the Kinges spirituall Iudges cap. 13. n. 8. Bishops Courtes from vvhence they haue their authority cap. 13. num 17. Bishops hovv farre they may be commaunded by the King cap. 13. num 18. Birth-right of lavves c. â— n. 18.22 23. Birth-right of Englishmen is Catholicke Religion cap. 1. num 26. Bodyes to the King and soules to the Priest cap. 4. num 5. Booke of K. Henry the 8. against Luther in defence of the seauen Sacraments cap. 15. num 3.4 5. Breach of King Iohn vvith the Sea Apostolicke and occasion therof cap. 9. num 57. Breach of K. Henry the 8. with
Pope Clement the 7. and how the same began cap. 15. num 4.5.6 7. Bulles from Rome not admitted in England except they came certified from some Prelate at home and why cap. 12. num 28. cap. 13. num 27. C. Calixtus the Pope his meeting vvith Henry the first in Normandy cap. 8. n. 14. Campian his fellow-martyrs protestations at their death cap. 16. num 12. Canon-lawes how they vvere receyued in England cap. 14. num 17. Canutus K. of England his confirmation of Peter-pence to Rome cap. 6. n. 72. Catholicke Religion the birth-right of Englishmen cap. 1. num 26. Catholickes falsely charged by M. Attorney cap. 16. num 2.3 deinceps Catholicke-Recusants from the beginning of Q. Elizabeths raigne cap. 16. num 7. Catholickes falsely accused of inconstancy cap. 16. num 18. Caudrey the Clerke his case cap. 3. per totum Causes of K. Henry the 8. his falling out and breach vvith the Sea Apostolicke cap 15. num 1.2 3. Ceadwalla K. of the VVestsaxons his pilgrimage to Rome cap. 6. num 83. His baptisme there and death ibid. Celestine Pope his letters to the Realme of England in absence of K. Richard the first cap. 9. num 33. Charters for Church-priuiledges before the Conquest and after cap. 5. num 2. 3. 4. deinceps cap. 8. num 23. The beginning of the Great-charter vnder K. Henry the third cap. 10. num 6. Church-libertyes confirmed by K. Richard the second cap. 12. num 43. S. Chrysostomes iudgement of spirituall power cap. 2. num 21.22.23 24. Ciuill warres in England vnder King Henry the third cap. 10. num 12. Clergy-men subiect to the Ciuill Magistrate in temporal affaires cap. 2. num 33. 34. But not in spirituall ibid. num 35. Clergie-mens persons exempted from secular povver cap. 2. num 26. 37. Clerkes euer exempted from temporall Iudges cap. 15. num 20. Collations of benefices by lay-men cap. 7. num 26. 29. Comparison betweene Catholick sand Sectaryes cap. 1. num 13. 14. Commodityes or discommodityes of municipall lavves cap. 1. num 20. Comon-lawes birthright cap. 1. num 22. 23. Complaintes against strangers beneficed in England cap. 10. num 21.22 23. deinceps Remedyes sought to the Pope therfore ibid. num 23. Controuersy-wryters condemned by M. Attorney and vvhy cap. 1. num 26.27 28. 29. Controuersy-writers against their conscience cap. 1. nu 32. and vvho they be ibid. num 35. Constantius the Emperour reprehended by Bishops cap. 4. num 6.7 8. Confirmation of Church libertyes in England by diuers Kinges before and after the Conquest cap. 5. num 7. deinceps Cap. 8. n. 23. Conquest of VVales by K. Edward the first cap. 11. num 9. Conuersion of diuers Kingdomes in England one after the other cap. 6. num 15. Condemnation of Protestantes doctrine by K. Henry the eight cap. 15. n. 15. 16. Conscience the cause that Catholicks follow not M. Attorneys current cap. 16. num 19. 20. Constantius the Emperour his iudgement touching such as dissembled in Religion cap. 16. num 20. Councell of Constance in Germany cap. 13. num 6. English Prelates sent thither ibid. Courtes spirituall and temporall and their difference ca 4. nu 11. deinceps Courtes spirituall superiour to temporall ca. 10. num 30. Cranmer the first hereticall Archbishop of Canterbury ca. 15. nu 32. Burnt at Oxford for his heresies ibid. Crosses erected by K. Edward the first ca. 11. num 6. Crowne of EnglaÌ„d not subiect to any in temporalityes ca. 12. nu 48. D. Decrees and Ordinances of Pope Formosus for the Church of England ca. 6. num 59. Decree against Bigamy ca. 11. nu 31. Decree of Pope Gregory the ninth about proceeding against hereticks ca. 13. num 14. Decrees of K. Henry the eyght his breach with the Sea Apostolicke ca. 15. num 11. 12. Despaire causeth forgetfulnes of all reason and duty and vvhy ca. 16. n. â—2 Demonstrations before the Conquest against secular Princes Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction in England cap. 6. per totum Deposition of Stigand Archbishop of Canterbury ca. 7. num 9. Difference of Courtes and vvhat it proueth ca. 4. num 11. Difference of lawes and law-makers before the Conquest ca. 6. num â— Difference of Courtes shew differeÌ„ce of origen and authority ca. 11. nu 50. Directions of ancient Fathers hovv to find out Truth ca. 1. nu 17. 18. Dispensations of most importance procured alvvayes from Rome cap. 6. num â—4 35. Dissention betvveene Protestants and Puritans and vvhy Prefac n. 18. 19. Dissimulation in Religiou hovv daungerous cap. 16. num 20. Doubts raised in England concerning bygamy cap. 11. num 32. E. Ecclesiasticall lavves made to be the Kinges lavves by M. Attorney cap. 4. nu 13. 14. Ecclesiasticall vveighty matters allvvayes referred to Rome by our English Kinges cap. 6. num 19. Edgar K. of England his speach for the reformation of the Clergy cap. 6. num 87. 88. His piety and deuotion tovvards the Sea of Rome ibid. S. Edmund Archbishop of Canterbury threatneth K. Henry the third if he obayed not cap. 10. num 37. K Edward the Confessor his confirmation of Peter-pence to Rome cap. 6. num 73. K. Edward the first surnamed Long-shanke cap. 11. num 3. His deuotion ibid. num 4. His vvorkes of piety ibid. His Conquest of VVales ibid. num 9. His mutability in keeping Church-priuiledges ibid. num 11. His violent proceeding against the Clergy ibid. num 12. 13. His euer obedience to the Sea of Rome in meere spirituall things ibid. num 14. 17. His deuotion tovvards the first Pope in Auinion in France ibid. num 16. His accusation of the Archbishop of Canterbury to the Pope ibid. num 16. His lawes in preiudice of the Clergy ibid. num 21. K. Edward the second his euill successe of marriage in France cap. 11. n. 41. K. Edward the third his restraints against the Clergy of England cap. 12. num 1. 2. His punishment for the violence vsed towards the Church cap. 12. nu 2.3.39 40. Motiues that induced him therto ibid. num 3. His great embassage to the Pope ib. num 7. His protestation for obedience to the Sea of Rome for himselfe and his cap. 12. num 8. His disordinate life ibid. num 41. K. Edward the fourth his raigne ouer England cap. 14. num 1.2.3 deinceps K. Edward the sixth his raigne cap. 15. num 26. His Supremacy of the Church of England declared by the Protector his vncle ibid. S. Egwyn Bishop of VVorcester his monastery of Euesham cap. 6. num 42. His voyage to Rome ibid. nu 79. Elections of Bishops 4. kinds cap. 7. num 32. Eminency of spirituall power aboue temporall cap. 2. num 19. England made tributary to Rome cap 6. num 67. cap. 9. num 62.63 64. Entrance into England denyed to the Popes Legates and vvhy cap. 14. n. 13. 15. Error vvhat it is
Mat. 18. Rom. 1. Epist. 105 contra lit Petiliani The morall argument of impossibility for the vniuersall Church to fall or vanish away Application of this morall argument A most euident demonstration Stange and Chimericall imaginations The differeÌ„t vse of the touch-stone for finding out the Church The basenes contemptibility of M. Attorneyes Church M. T. F. in his Apologie an 1599. A manifest caluÌ„niation against M. Garnet â—rent â— Anâ—â—iâ— â— seely â—uenâ—â—n of â—ookes and treaâ—ons Cicero de Oratore A fond fayned blasphemy Ioh. 11. The meaning of Caiphas in speaking of the death of Christ. Luc. 13. 〈◊〉 4. â—n Ioanneâ—â— The meaning of M. Garnet in vsing the wordes of Caiphas Isa. 60. Psal. 109. Sundry calumniatioÌ„s M. Attorney in his vaunting vayne All ancient English lavves in fauour of Catholicke religioÌ„ The particulers brought in by M. Attorney refuted Paulus Quartus Câ—â—dinall â—oole The arraignment of M. Garnet Ioan. 19. The law misapplyed against Christ our Sauiour Leâ—â—t 24 The priuiledge of secrecy to be obserued in Confession Gods truth alwayes euerie where one Psal. 116. Sap. 5. Math. 7. Gregor 〈◊〉 in 〈◊〉 â—ngel â—oan The dangerous state of â—â—r Enâ—lish â—â—torneyes office The important weight of this controuersy Two partes of ReligioÌ„ August contra epist. FuÌ„â—â—menti cap. 5. Math. 18 See Magdebar Gen. 2. li. 2. cap. 3. col 41. 42. deinceps Magde ibid. Col. 53. 54. deinceps See Caluin l. 1. instit cap. 11. lib. 3. cap. 5. True power and spirituall iurisdiction the only â—â—e â—uide to saluatioÌ„ Math. â—â— 18. Chrysost. lib. 3. de â—acer 〈◊〉 4. 5. de verbâ—s 〈◊〉 D Hier. epist. ad Heliodor de vitaâ— solitaria Hilar. Can. 16 in Mat. alij alibi Three grounds of spirituall authoritie supposed by three different religioÌ„s * See Cartwright Iunius other of then alleadged in the Suruey of pretended discipline Cap. 16. Rom. 13. Math. 24 1. pet 2. The fouÌ„dation of the Protestants assertioÌ„ Acts 20. Puritane grouÌ„des Acts 1.23 Acts 6.5 1. Tit. 5. GrouÌ„des of the Catholicks for spiritual iurisdiction Important consequences Sir FraÌ„cis Hastings against the vvard-vvord M. Sutcliffe in his defence Puritan and Protestants grounds vncompatible Heb. 5. 2. paralip 10. Psal. 2. Psal. 1 * Cyprian l. 2. ep 3. August l. 16. de Ciuit. Des. cap. 22. l. 1. contra aduers. leg Proph. cap. 2. lib. 2. cont lit Petil. c. 37. Chrysost hom 35. in Gen. Clem. AlexaÌ„d lib. 4. strom Ambros. l. 4. de Sacram. c. 3. Hierom in cap. 1. ad Titum alij Ioan. 10. Caluin lib. 4. instit cap. 19. §. 31. 14. §. 31. * Infra cap. 2. The Protestant and Puritan yelde more in deed to the Catholicke then to ech other The Protestant and Puritan ministers not admitted the one by the other What the Puritan is to the Protestant by this grounde of spirituall power Mar. vlt. Luc. 10. 1. Tim. 3. Mat. 23. Mat. 7. Iohn 10. The Title examined Cicer â—ib 3. Tusâ—â—â— quaest The indifferency required in treating this controuersy The vvord Ius extendeth it self further then Lex a â—â—luâ—ss de Iustiâ—ia â—â—re b Ibidem â—â—lus c 〈◊〉 Celâ—us ibidem d 〈◊〉 5. capâ— â— e 2â— q. 57. art 1. f â—ib 5. Eâ—ymâ—l c. 3. That temporall Princes make not ecclesiasticall lavves but receaue them Of Error and Ignorance The definition diuiâ—â—on oâ— IgnoraÌ„ce See 2. dist q 42 D. The 2â— q. 76 art 1. 2. â— Ignorance negaâ—iâ—e Eccles. 5. Rom. 12. Iob. 9. Ignorance priuatiue Diuerse sortes of priuatiue Ignorace D. Thomâ—â— 1 pag. 101. â— 2. q. â— art â—â— q. â—â— art â— Strange speeches of imagined ignorance by the Attorney Iob. 9. Ecclesiastes 9. Rom. 12 Syr Francis Hastingâ— in his VVatch-vvorde No◠〈…〉 variety or depth of learninge VVhy euery Catholike hath more knovvledg than an hundred sectaâ—â— 2 Of truthâ— 2. Cor. 13. Truth vaynly coÌ„mended by Sectaries * Se Hilar. lib. 2. ad Constant. Von â—nt Liâ—â—â— lib cont prophâ—n haret noâ—tâ— August l 1. de 〈◊〉 c. 3. tract 18. in Ioan l. 7 de Gen. ad lib. cap. 9. The vvay hovv to finde out the Truth Tert. lib. aduersus Prax. cap. 20. Tert. lib. de Prescript cons. haret cap 2â— Aug. 〈◊〉 1. cont Gana Donat. c. 1. form 131 de tempt lib. de â—niâ— Eccles cont Petil. cap. 2. Vincent Laâ—in lib. cont proph haer 〈◊〉 Paâ—amus Epise Barâ—in cap. 1. Symph The application of the Fathers directions Vide etiam Psal. Aug. contra partem Donat. Oâ—tâ—tuÌ„ Mileuit contra Parmâ—n August de gâ—â—us ad â—â— imperfect cap. 1. 3 Birth-right of lavves The Attorneys maior admitted and his minor denyed Of the antiquity of our municipall lavves The commodities discommodities of our municipal lavves The birth-â—â—ghâ— of our common lavves The obiection of externe lavvyers against diuerse points of ours Se also Syr Thomas Moore Lib. 1. Viepia VVhether common lavvyers determine and deale vvithout passion Anno 1. Edvvards 3 â— 2. Instâ—â— 2. The Catholike religion the ancieÌ„t birth-right of â—nglishâ—â—n Math. 10. Marc. 10. Against bitter vvriâ—ing in controsies Matthevv 〈◊〉 Thomas â—el VVilleâ— and others 4 Of vvryting of coÌ„trouersies against coÌ„science Tit. 4. * Se S. Augustine 〈◊〉 de â—ut Dâ— cap 51. l. 7 de Geâ— ad lit c. â— nact 8 in Iuâ—â— lâ—b 〈…〉 VVhat is the commâ—n â—â—e vvnâ— truth in reâ—â— to and vvâ—â— impugneth it The difference of substaÌ„tâ—all proof betvvene M. Attorney and vs. VVhy Catholiks are not to be thought to vvrite against their conscience Tyme of 〈…〉 Mâ—â—cb 6. 〈◊〉 God the author of all lavvful povver Rom. 13. The different ends obiects of spirituall and temporall povver Spirituall teÌ„mporal povver as spirit and flesh in a man Temporal and spirituall authoritie separated in the Priâ—â—â—◠〈◊〉 Act. 20. 2. Cor. 6.4 Anabaptists Rom. 13. 1. Pet. 2. Act. 10. Spirituall iurisdictioÌ„ independent of TeÌ„porall Tempoâ—al povver not immâ—diatâ—ly but mediately from God 〈◊〉 â—â— Matâ— 18. Ioan â—1 Leg. 2 ff de Iuâ—â—sd 〈◊〉 Iud. l. vlt. ff dâ—â—â— cui mand iurisdict In cap pastora â— in pâ—â—â—â—ip de offic delegati In câ—p praeterea â—odâ—â— tit VVhat is the spirituall povver of the church Pastors therof Math. 26. Ioan. 20. Se S. Cyril l 12. in Ioan. â— 55. and S. Cyprian lib. de â—nt Eâ—â—â—esâ— aâ—ist 73 ad 〈◊〉 Matth. 16. Chrysost. homil 5. de verbis Esa. Vidi Dominum Galat. 1. 1. Cor. 13. 2. Cor. 10. 2. Cor. 13. S. Paules esteeme of the high povver giuen vnto him to other Apostles their Successours 1. Cor. 5. 1. Tim. 1. Diuers excomunications by the Apostles Act. 8. Aug. lib. 1. contra Aduer 〈◊〉 Proph. c. 10. Chrysâ—st hom 4. ad Helr 〈◊〉 feâ—tur 11. quaest 3. cap. â—1 Aug. ibid. Cypr. lib. 1. epist. 1. ad 〈◊〉 Deut. 6. Math. 16. Tvvo points of Spirituall IurisdictioÌ„ internall and externall Matth. 6. 1. Cor.