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A43976 Considerations upon the reputation, loyalty, manners, & religion of Thomas Hobbes of Malmsbury written by himself, by way of letter to a learned person.; Mr. Hobbes considered in his loyalty, religion, reputation and manners Hobbes, Thomas, 1588-1679. 1680 (1680) Wing H2218; ESTC R6871 20,985 80

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have heard him wish it had been some person of lower condition that had been the Author of the Doctrine which he opposed and therefore opposed because it was false and because his own could not otherwise be defended But thus much I think is true that he thought never the better of his Judgment for mistaking you for Learned This is all I thought fit to answer for him and his manners The rest is of his Geometry and Philosophy concerning which I say only this That there is too much in your Book to be confuted Almost every line may be disproved or ought to be reprehended In sum it is all Errour and Railing that is stinking wind such as a Jade le ts flie when he is too hard girt upon a full belly I have done I have considered you now but will not again whatsoever preferment any of your friends shall procure you FINIS Books Printed for and sold by William Crook at the Green Dragon without Temple-Bar 1680. Devinity BRevis Demonstratio proving the truth and excellency of the Christian Religion demonstrated by reason recommended to all rational persons by several eminent Divines in London Twelves An Answer to Mr. Fergusons Doctrine about Christs Justification and Sanctification with an Account of the ends and intents of Christs death and passion considered as a Reason by John Knowles Octavo The Primitive Institution or a seasonable discourse of Catechism wherein is shewed the Antiquity necessity and benefits thereof together with its sutableness to heal the distemper of the Church by L. Addison D. D. Twelves A Sermon Preached at the Funeral of a sober Religious Man found drowned in a pit since revised and inlarged by the Author upon the account of sudden death Octavo A Sermon Preached at a Visitation in Chicester by W. Howel Quarto The School of Righteousness A Sermon Preached before the King on a General Fast-day by his Grace the present Arch-Bishop of Canturbury Quarto An excellent Rational Discourse of the Lawfulness of taking use for money by Sir Robert Filmer with a large Preface to it by Sir Roger Twisden Twelves A modest Plea for the Clergy wherein is briefly considered their Original Antiquity and necessity together with the true and false grounds of their being so much slighted neglected and unjustly despised by L. A. D. D. Octavo The Imitation of Christ or the Christian patern written by Tho. a Kempis Twenty fours Steps of Ascention unto God or a Ladder to Heaven being Meditations and Prayers for every day in the week and other occasions by Dr. Gee Twenty fours Hugo Grotius Catechism in Greek Latin and English with a Praxis Octavo The Spirit of Prophesie a treatise to prove by the ways formerly in use among the Jews in the Tryal of pretenders to a Prophetick Spirit that Christ and his Apostles were prophets Together with the Divine Authority of Christian Religion and the holy Scriptures the insufficiency of humane reason and the reasonableness of the Christian Faith hope and practise deduced therefrom and asserted against Mr. Hobbes and the Treatise of Humane reason Recommended to the Press by Dr. Gunning Lord Bishop of Ely by W. H. Octavo The King-Killing Doctrine of the Jesuits delivered in a plain and sincere discourse to the French King concerning the re-establishment of the Jesuits in his Dominion written in French by a Learned Roman Catholick now translated into English and humbly presented to the consideration of both houses of Parliament in Quarto Justifying Faith or that Faith by which the Just do live briefly described to which is added an abstract of some Letters about the Excellency of the Common Prayer against Mr. Baxter c. Octavo A Sermon Preached upon the fifth day of November by Dr. G. Hascard D. D. Rector of St. Clements Danes and Chaplain in ordinary to His Majesty Quarto A Sermon Preached before Sir James Edwards Lord Mayor of London at the Election of Sir Robert Clayton to be Lord Mayor for the year eusuing by G. Hascard D. D. and Chaplain in ordinary to his Majesty A Sermon Preached before the Right Honorable Sir Robert Clayton Lord Mayor of London by Tho. Mannyngham Fellow of New Colledge in Oxford These six last are new History A Voyage into the Levant by Sir H. Blount Caesars Commentaries with Mr. Edmonds his observations upon it in Folio English'd Heylins Cosmography in four parts in Folio Sir Tho. Herberts Travels with Additions Folio A description of Candia with an account of the Siege and the surrender of it into the hands of the Turks Octavo Calliope's Cabinet wherein all Gentlemen may be informed how to order themselves for Feasts Funerals and all Heroick meetings to know all degrees of honour and how all degrees are to take place with a Dictionary of Herald-Terms Twelves A Discourse of the Dukedome of Modena containing the Original Antiquity Government Manners and Qualities of the People also the Temperature of the Climate the nature of the Air c. Quarto The present State of the Jews wherein is contained an exact account of their present Customes Secular and Religious to which is added a discourse of the Misna Talmud and Gemara by L. Addison D. D. The Travels of Ulysses Translated by Tho. Hobbes of Malmsbury Twelves Camera Regis or the present State of London containing the Antiquity Fame Walls River Bridg Gates Tower Officers Courts Customes Franchises c. of that City by J. B. Esq Octavo The Circumcision of the great Turks Son and the Ceremony of the Marriage of his Daughter sent from the English Ambassador Folio Scarrons Comical Romance or a facetious History of a Company of Stage-players interwoven with diverse choice Novels rare adventures and amorous intrigues written in French by Monsieur Scarron and now done into English Folio The Wonders of the Peak in Darbyshire in Latine and English by Tho. Hobbes Octavo Parthenissa a Romance written by the Right Honorable the Earl of Orrery Folio Clelia an excellent new Romance compleat in five parts Folio All Homers works Translated into English by that great Master of the Greek and English Tongues Thomas Hobbes of Malmsbury Twelves Together with the Authors life The life and death of Mahumet the Author of the Turkish Religion being an account of his Tribe Parents Birth Name Education Marriage Filthiness of life his Alcoran first Proselytes Wars Doctrine Miracles Advancements c. by L. Addison D. D. and one of his Majesties Chaplains in ordinary A True declaration of the horrible Treasons by William Parry Dr. of the Civil Laws against Queen Elizabeth his Tryal Conviction and Execution for the same The Historians Guide or Englands Remembrancer being an account of the Actions Exploits c. and other most remarkable passages in his Majesties Dominions from the year 1600 to 1679. shewing the year day and moneth each action was done An Historical Narrative of Heresie and the punishment thereof by Tho. Hobbs of Malmsbury Folio Mr. Hobbes his Life written by himself
Infinite and Eternal contenting my self with such Doctrine concerning the Beginning and Magnitude of the World as I have learn'd from the Scripture confirmed by Miracles and from the Use of my Countrey and from the Reverence I owe to the Law This Doctor is not ill said and yet 't is all you ground your slander on which you make to sneak vilely under a crooked Paraphrase These Opinions I said were to be judged by those to whom God has committed the ordering of Religion that is to the Supreme Governours of the Church that is in England to the King By His Authority I say it ought to be decided not what men shall think but what they shall say in those Questions And me thinks you should not dare to deny it for it is a manifest relapse into your former Crimes But why do you stile the King by the name of Magistrate Do you find Magistrate to signifie any where the Person that hath the Sovereign Power or not every where the Sovereign's Officers And I think you knew that but you and your fellows your fellows I call all those that are so besmeared all over with the filth of the same Crime as not to be distinguished meant to make your Assembly the Sovereign and the King your Magistrate I pray God you do not mean so still if opportunity be presented There has hitherto appeared in Mr. Hobbes his Doctrine no sign of Atheism and whatsoever can be inferr'd from the denying of Incorporeal Substances makes Tertullian one of the ancientest of the Fathers and most of the Doctors of the Greek Church as much Atheists as he For Tertullian in his Treatise De Carne Christi says plainly Omne quod est corpus est sui generis Nihil est incorporale nisi quod non est That is to say Whatsoever is any thing is a body of its kind Nothing is Incorporeal but that which has no Being There are many other places in him to the same purpose For that Doctrine served his turn to confute the Heresie of them that held that Christ had no Body but was a Ghost Also of the Soul he speaks as of an invisible Body And there is an Epitome of the Doctrine of the Eastern Church wherein is this That they thought Angels and Souls were Corporeal and only called Incorporeal because their Bodies were not like ours And I have heard that a Patriarch of Constantinople in a Council held there did argue for the lawfulness of painting Angels from this that they were Corporeal You see what Fellows in Atheism you joyn with Mr. Hobbes How unfeigned your own Religion is may be argued strongly demonstratively from your behahaviour that I have already recited Do you think you that have committed so abominable sins not through infirmity or sudden transport of Passion but premeditately wilfully for twenty years together that any rational man can think you believe your selves when you preach of Heaven and Hell or that you do not believe one another to be Cheaters and Impostors and to laugh at silly People in your sleeves for believing you or that you applaud not your own wit for it though for my part I could never conceive that very much wit was requisite for the making of a knave And in the Pulpit most of you have been a scandal to Christianity by preaching up Sedition and crying down Moral Virtue You should have preach'd against unjust Ambition Covetousness Gluttony Malice Disobedience to Government Fraud and Hypocrisie But for the most part you preach'd your own Controversies about who should be uppermost or other fruitless and unedifying Doctrines When did any of you preach against Hypocrisie You dare not in the Pulpit I think so much as name it lest you set the Church a laughing And you in particular when you said in a Sermon That Sophos was not in Homer what edification could the People have from that though it had been true as 't is false For it is in his Iliade lib. 15. v. 363. Another I heard make half his Sermon of this Doctrine That God never sent a great Deliverance but in a great Danger Which is indeed true because the greatness of the Danger makes the greatness of the Deliverance but for the same cause ridiculous and the other half he took to construe the Greek of his Text And yet such Sermons are much applauded But why First Because they make not the People ashamed of any Vice Secondly Because they like the Preacher for using to find fault with the Government or Governors Thirdly For their vehemence which they mistake for Zeal Fourthly For their zeal to their own ends which they mistake for zeal to Gods Worship I have heard besides divers Sermons made by Phanatiques young men and whom by that and their habit I imagined to be Apprentices and found little difference between their Sermons and the Sermons of such as you either in respect of Wisdom or Eloquence or Vehemence or Applause of Common People Therefore I wonder how you can pretend as you do in your Petition for a Dispensation from the Ceremonies of the Church to be either better Preachers than those that Conform or to have tenderer Consciences than other men You that have covered such black Defigns with the Sacred words of Scripture why can you not as well find in your hearts to cover a black Gown with a white Surplice Or what Idolatry do you find in making the Sign of the Cross when the Law commands it Though I think you may conform without sin yet I think you might have been also dispensed with without sin if you had dispensed in like manner with other Ministers that subscribed to the Articles of the Church And if tenderness of Conscience be a good Plea you must give Mr. Hobbes also leave to plead tenderness of Conscience to his new Divinity as well as you I should wonder also how any of you should dare to speak to a multitude met together without being limited by His Majesty what they shall say especially now that we have felt the smart of it but that it is a Relique of the Ecclesiastical Policy of the Popes that found it necessary for the dis-joyning of the People from their too close adherence to their Kings or other Civil Governours But it may be you will say That the rest of the Clergy Bishops and Episcopable men no Friends of yours and against whose Office Mr. Hobbes never writ any thing speak no better of his Religion than you do 'T is true he never wrote against Episcopacy and it is his private opinion That such an Episcopa y as is now in England is the most commodious that a Christian King can use for the governing of Christs Flock the misgoverning whereof the King is to answer for to Christ as the Bishops are to answer for their mis-government to the King and to God also Nor ever spake he ill of any of them as to their Persons Therefore I should wonder the more