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A19713 Pasquine in a traunce a Christian and learned dialogue (contayning wonderfull and most strange newes out of heauen, purgatorie, and hell) wherein besydes Christes truth playnely set forth, ye shall also finde a numbre of pleasaunt hystories, discouering all the crafty conueyaunces of Antechrist. Whereunto are added certayne questions then put forth by Pasquine, to haue bene disputed in the Councell of Trent. Turned but lately out of the Italian into this tongue, by W.P. Seene allowed [sic] according to the order appointed in the Queenes Maiesties iniunctions.; Pasquillus ecstaticus. English Curione, Celio Secondo, 1503-1569.; Page, William, fl. 1566.; Painter, William, 1540?-1594, attributed name.; Phiston, William, attributed name. 1566 (1566) STC 6130; ESTC S109155 162,493 234

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smelles and odours all deuised to feede and occupie the outwarde senses of man and to stuffe his head and vnderstanding with the vaine gazing and admiration of their counterfeit Religion so as manye that tooke themselues to be verye nycenosed and coulde as they thought iudge colours were ouertaken in their folly and toke quid pro quo and Mercurium sublimatum for good and wholesome Suger And how this broode of smoth smiered shauelings haue the inuentions and dreames of their owne ydle and drousie braynes sette vp to themselues a mortall God that mitred Monarche of Rome who with power and tirannie shoulde maynetayne them in a perpetuall and flourishing kingdome and they for their part euen from the seliest hedge priest or other most simple in degree vnder them being greased with the Popes Oyle euen to the proudest and most princelie Prelate euery one in his kinde to labour and apply themselues with tongue and pen or rather with tooth and nayle if they doe not besides vse any other more violent weapons to deuise studie serch and vse al the fetches possibly how they may keepe all things vpright and cloute vp with stable straw and such paltry the ruynes breaches and decayes of this their Chaos or confused common wealth Thou shalt also see as it were by an Antithesis or comparison the sacred Scriptures set against their vayne and fantasticall toyes and inuentions and the same Scriptures so aptely applyed and truely alleaged as can not be desired to be better or more effectually done to the purpose And betwene the serious and fruitefull allegation of the scriptures and the necessary detection of their chast life and holynesse thou shalt finde some things and I beleue not fewe in number that thoughe the same be no meere nor malicious inuentiōs yet can they not be iudged to be Fables but rather matters of truth bicause the worlde else hath in their seuerall places had the tryall and experience of the same And histories haue also in some parte set them forth to the great cōmendation of the doers therof But one thing gentle Reader thou wilt not a little maruell at that their spirituall weapons wherewith they defend their Romish kingdome ▪ I meane their owne councels and constitutions herein alleaged are so brought against them selues and so retourned home to their owne confusion and ouerthrowe that there remayneth now no more spirituall defence or resistence but that they lay hande on the Temporall sworde and vse the violent argumentes offyre sworde and halter which howe muche they haue done in this Realme of late dayes that very Rome it selfe hath abhorred I leaue to thy iudgement for the vnborne children in the mothers wombe and the louing dogges with their masters haue witnessed the same Thou mayest chaunce to finde this boke beside that it is writtē in the Italian tongue in the Latine also which seemeth to haue beene done by the authour him selfe what tyme he saw his laboure so well to be lyked and allowed as he wrote the same in the latine tongue also for the better edifying and calling home of the sheepe that went a straye and the more assured confirmation of them in the truth of Gods worde Yet bicause this Italian copie is the larger wherevnto is added the voyage to Hell which the Latine booke hath not I haue therefore chosen and followed the same and tourned it into our tongue as nowe thou seest There follow in the ende therof certayne questions put forth by Pasquine to be disputed but not as P●●adoxes in the Councell holden in that holy fathers dayes Paule the thirde at Trent wherein he scorneth priuily the great and manifolde abuses of the Churchmen aswell of the proude Prelates as the single soled sir Iohns the fat bellyed monks lying Fryers their false allegations of the Scriptures their idlenesse their pride their voluptuousnesse tiranny hipocrisie wyuelesse but not womanlesse chastitie and other their endlesse and abhominable doings the which articles maye as it were in a briefe comprehende the whole discourse of the booke afore going and shewe forth the spirituall fruites that spring of that Religion So as to conclude gentle Reader you may see and finde that there is no matter of controuersie wherein the papistes differ from the true Church of Christ and the heauenly doctrine taught before and since by the Patriarches Prophetes and Apostles as in their purgatorie their iustifying workes their corporall presence of Christ in the Sacrament their transubstantiacion adoration al the rest of their new found learning but that the same all and euery of them are quite defaced and ouerthrowen by the manifest worde of God Thou canst therefore desire no more to the certifying and confirmation of thy conscience in the truth or otherwise to satisfie thy minde with the detection of popery and the merie and pleasaunt disposing of the matter so as whether thy profite or pleasure shal be most I know not and therfore will not take vpon me to iudge This shall I one-desire thee to reade with iudgement and lay aside all affection and malice both which are partiall Iudges and so to walke directly throughe the whole worke whereby thou mayest discerne betwene the truth and falshode to thy edifying and comfort so shal I think my labour trauaile thus to translate it for thee well bestowed and shall sende thee to the booke to heare what he sayeth himselfe from the which I thought good with no longer Preface to withholde thee Farewell B. G. To the Reader IF he that wrights a worke at first doth merit fame I déeme him worthy of no lesse that doth translate y e same For as the first by toyle doth vtter things vnknowne The seconde doeth from forrein speach declare them in his owne The sequele sheweth a proufe of skilfull Authour plaine And of Translatour skilfull that to wright it toke such paine If pleasure thou possesse or profite thereby take They haue the summe of their desire that pende it for thy sake But though thou séeme to want of that thou wish at furst Reade once againe with good aduise before thou iudge the wurst Lay loue and hate aside affection put to flight So shalt thou iudge as Iustice wils so shall thy dome be right Remember Midas eares were framed lyke an asse Bicause he sayde that Pan in skill Apollo farre did passe So if thou shalt preferre some trifle more than truth Thou shalt deserue as Midas did the Asse his eares forsouth For learned was the man that first the booke did frame And learned he I promise thée that did translate the same And learned is their worke and honest too their fact And honest men will honestly allowe eche honest act But those that néedes will storme and wot not well wherefore Must néedes haue parte of that rewarde which is rehearst before Which if thou will auoyde as I would wish to shunne Doe iudge with good aduised skill and thus my tale is done Ber. 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who would afterward go and all to beshite all his Ualleys Marforius By my fayth it is much to be doubted Pasquine I sawe afterwarde Saint Bennet who cursed his Friers for that if they coulde not liue chastly they wrought not closely Marforius Sawest thou in that place Aurelius Augustine who men say did in his Sermons institute Eremites and Monkes and that for this cause his Monkes are called Eremitanes Pasquine They lye falsely those Asses that say that those Sermons be Saint Augustines which euery one that is learned cōfesseth y ● they be rather of some ignorant Doltes making and those Eremitanes also lye falsely in that they say they be his Friers For Augustine more than many other liued in the felowship of men and was full of true fayth true holinesse true doctrine And God graunt that those that say they be his Disciples would follow him herein then would they not care for these vanities of tytles Marforius Sawest thou Ierome of Stridonia who men say lyued in the Wildernesse of Seria Pasquine This Ierome in dede was a Monke that is to say one that of his owne frée choyse liued solitarily a certaine tyme and not for any vow sake as these Cloysterers do he was bound to the vowe onely of Christen religion and to none other None of them must therefore séeke to defende his secte with the Authoritye of this holy man who was a most bitter enimy to all sectes and ambition Marforius I perceyue that thou sayest true for that I haue séene in Can. 12. quest 1. Cap. Necess that Monasteries in olde time were nothing else but Colledges for learning and scooles for to bring vp youth albeit that sith that tyme Superstition and couetousnesse hath corrupted all thinges and brought liberty into bondage and prison But thou hast not yet made me aunswere whether thou sawest them or no. Pasquine I saw them not Marforius Sawest thou then Amadio Duke of Sauoy Pasquine What he that liuing an Ermites life in Sauoy harde by the lake of Geneua stoode gaping on the snowe Marforius Of him I aske Pasquine I heard that he was banished I knowe not whither bycause he suffered himselfe to be made Pope and did not obey Eugenius the fourth and so was he put both from his Popedome and his Dukedome Marforius Then might he retourne to gaze vpon the Snowe at his pleasure Pasquine Yea as he that hauing lost all his goodes sayde now shall I haue more commodity to giue my selfe to contemplation Marforius What other good thing canst thou tell me concerning these Eremites Pasquine I heard say that they were in lawe with the townes men of Lucca Marforius And what haue they to do with those of Lucca are they become Marchauntes those Eremites Pasquine Yea not of Ueluet but of women for about fiue yeares ago an Eremite in Lucca a notorious false knaue desirous to get money vnder colour of Religion enticed away one Camilla a wydow one of the chiefest of the town and caried hir away with him Marforius And whither Pasquine To Montalciue where these swine as thou knowest haue their stye Marforius I know it well Pasquine The woman remayned a wydow with a great dower and therfore this Eremite sought to haue hir that both the woman hir dower might leade an Eremites life Marforius Thou meanest he would not haue the shéepe without the woll Pasquine The womans brothers sayde that the dower ought to remaine to the house but they will giue hir the interest and encrease thereof while she liueth The matter came to Rome there was openly proued the manifest deceyt and knauery of the Eremite and yet for all that was the sentence giuen against them of Lucca they were interdicted vnlesse they giue forth the whole dower Marforius As these smered shauelinges be al false knaues so must they of force fauour suche false fetches This matter was brought to my hands but seing the vntowardnesse of the Cardinals to whom it was cōmitted I would not meddle with it Pasquine Thou diddest wisely for what maner of men they be by one thou shalt knowe them all and if we should speake of them all we had nede to haue the voice of a Lyon and the tongues of a thousande Aduocates to speake but of one of them their naughtinesse I say vnderstande me soundly might make a booke greater than the Digestes and the bookes of the Chauncery Thinke thou therefore whether to speake of them all there shoulde be somewhat to do Marforius Let vs nowe therefore leaue these particulars for the talke should be to long and tell me somewhat of them altogether What did those holy fathers whē thou were there Pasquine Euery one of them laboured sore that his owne order might be holden for the most holyest knowing this to be the best way to gather great riches together and to cause this to be the better vnderstoode eche one trauayled to séeke out some newe toy to drawe therewith the common people vnto him who are full of wondering I sawe that they prepared new fashioned hoodes straunge and horrible ceremonies not séene in the worlde past but reserued to fight therewith against the Gospell for they knowe that fayth can not with any other thing more easely or sooner be ouerthrowen than with superstitition couered with the cloke of true holinesse Marforius And can this opinion of holinesse do so much Pasquine Thou séest y ● examples therof euery where Knowest thou not that at what time y ● order of saint Fraunces began those that were the first setters forth thereof so inveigled the worlde with this opinion of holinesse that they that had not a Monastery of saint Fraunces in their towne or nere there about thought them selues vnhappy Nay so grewe in the mindes of the siely simple soules this wicked opinion of these mōstruous marked Friers that to weare their wede or to goe clothed in that colour was good against the quartane Ague and other diseases and that worse is that to be buried in that Habit was the verye righte way to go to heauen And therfore that conning man Longolius leauing the name of a Citizen of Rome in whose practise he had so long laboured would be layed in his graue a Fraunciscane rather than a Romane This selfe same honor had the Lord Albert of Carpi in his heade Rodolphus Agricola and other innumerable But what nede so many words These Friers are come to that point with that opinion of holynesse that they haue ridde them selues out of all other mennes handes and autoritie and haue brought all other men vnder their féet Who knoweth not that in olde times past when learning and good studies were layd to sléepe that al men helde them for God almightyes kinsemen and estéemed more their commaundementes than the commaundementes of God And they knewe not Christ whom the Gospell doth plainly set
the spirite to aunswere to his questions and he asked him if he were in Paradise there was no aunswere made he asked if he were in hell and yet there was no aunswere he asked him if he came from Purgatory and then the spirite made a great rushing against the wal then did the coniurer aske whether he was such a one or such a one naming many and sundry persans that dyed long ago and yet was there no aunswere heard nor no maner of noyse but when he named that woman that was buried without pompe the spirite then made two great rushings against the wall Then did the coniurer aske whether she were condempned for this or that cause and in the ende it sayd bycause she was a Lutherane then was there heard thrée greate rushes against the wall The husbande being a wyfe and circumspect man marked euery thing and made as though he had much maruelled at the matter and desired those Wolues to supper the day following caused an hundreth Masses to be sayde and to light a whole worlde of Candels The Wolues howled they sent their Gods into Purgatory wet the graue with vnholy water and they perfumed it with Frankincense and when this was done caryed the Friers to dinner and in the meane season sent the officers to the place where the deceyt was done where they foūd certayne vaultes and there within thrée spirites hidden whom they toke caried away Marforius And how could they take the spirites that haue no bodies Pasquine These were of those spirites that haue bodyes of whom Saint Augustine speaketh of of which sorte are almost all those that dwell in Monasteries Marforius Were they spirites in dede Pasquine Thou art very grosse they were thrée Friers of those that they call Nouices that is to say such as knowe not yet verye well the sleightes and falshoodes of the Friers Marforius In dede the Monasteries are euen full of deceytes and the worlde is very blinde in that they espy them not In Turine also there happened of late the like matter Pasquine Well the officers hauing found the Bugs that made men afeard ledde them away like thrée little Diuels as they were into the place where the other great Diuels were at meate whom when Belsabub and his brethren sawe they knewe their knauery bewrayed and as men all dumbe they began to looke one vpon an other Marforius But were they not punished for their labour Pasquine Yes afterwarde with shame inough they were rewarded according to their demerits Marforius I maruell muche that the king hearing that these traytours did so shamefuly abuse the true Religion did not suffer that the Gospell might be fréelye preached Pasquine Thou must not maruell at this but thou must maruell rather when thou séest that any Prince doth any thing that is good they receyue with good will the true Christian Religion for eating fleshe on dayes forbidden and for the other commodities of the fleshe but they persecute imprison and slay other that in eating of flesh in other thinges folow the liberty of Christ and condemne the bondage of Antichrist They will fight against the Lambe but the Lambe shall ouercome and confounde them all Lo now are the Wolues all in maner come to confusion and shall or euer it be long be at an euil point except such as are on y e Lambes side none shal escape but this they beleue not but thou shalt sée it Marforius I beleue it certainly for me thinketh that hereof Saint Iohn speaketh in his Reuelation But to returne to Purgatory of the which I remaine not altogether satisfied tell me ought we not to hope the best Pasquine Thinkest thou that to hope the best is to beleue that one abideth for euer in Purgatory And wherfore hope they not rather y ● he is in heauen and so make an ende of all their Massing Marforius And what can this hoping hurte Pasquine It hurteth the pursses and goodes of the heires executors of men but if they haue so great a lust to say them to do good vnto the deade why doe they not satisfie their luste without any taking of money but yet for all this I will for my part beleue that he that dyeth in the fayth of Christ goeth straight to heauen and not into purgatory And this it is to hope the best What a crueltie is this of our shepeheards who haue so euil an hope of our saluation that they rather beleue we be stil in purgatory than in heauen Alas this is euen a token that they know before hand that the doctrine taught vs by them is not able to bring vs to heauen But if they fed their siely shepe with y ● holesome word of God saw them depart hence ful fed with faith in Christ what should they nede to giue so euil a iudgement of them and beate their braynes about so many sacrifices which bycause they neuer make an ende of shewe an euident token that they neuer haue sufficient And thus to procéede still without end is an argument to be holden for certayne that in Purgatory there is no redemption Marforius They haue for al that an end many tymes Pasquine Yea when paying of money hath an end Marforius So would I haue sayd vnto thée But sith thou art come to speak of Purgatorye I pray thée tell me whether thou hast séene it and howe thou camest out of it for as thou hast well sayde the deade come neuer backe hither to tell vs ought of it Pasquine I to tell the truth neuer dyed but was chaunged from fleshe into a stone so that the name of Pasquine is yet aliue how● wouldest thou therefore that I should haue séene Purgatory when I tell thée I was in heauen Exc●pte thou meanest by Purgatory the bloude of Christ. Marforius This is a playne heresie Pasquine Euen so in dede say the Friers but certainelye it is an heresie to say or beleue otherwise Paule in his Epistle to the Heb●ues affirmeth that it is impossible that remission or purging of sinnes shoulde be done with out bloud In Purgatory there is no bloud but fire therfore is it not possible that in Purgatory should be any remission or purging of sinnes And that there is no bloude there thou mayst be assured thereof by this for they say that there are soules without bodyes and soules haue no bloud But this haue they taken out of Poets fables and haue fayned that there is a fire the more to feare the mindes of the poore simple people and chiefly such as be sicke of the Feuer who féeling the heate of the Feuer haue thought that that heate of Purgatory is ten tymes greater or else bycause those people that are towarde the North are very colde to the ende they should not so goe frosen to God it was méete that they should first be heate a little And therefore was Saint Patrikes Purgatory