nihilominus postea quidam subtilissimi Fascicu Tom. a tat 6. fol. 78. haeâ—etici qui istam haeresim Waldensium defendere conabantur plura regna populos deceperunt that is notwithstanding there were afterwards some most subtill heretikes which went about to defend this heresie of the Waldenses and deceiued or rather truely instructed many kingdomes and nations And againe hauing made mention of certaine Popish doctors in those daies as Hugo Cardinalis c. hee hath these words Quos diuina bonitas 1233. misit pro fidei defensione alioquin tota pene fides perüsset propter Fol. 80. haeret corum multiplioitatem subtilitatem simul potentiam that is whome God sent for the defence of the faith for otherwaies it had like wholy to haue perished by reason of the multitude subtiltie and powre of heretikes It appeareth by the testimonie of this Popish Monke that in those daies there were verie many of them whom hee falsely calleth heretikes And whereas these detested the enormities and abominations of the Church of Rome and maintained the same substantiall and fundamentall points of doctrine that wee doe as it appeareth by the articles obiected vnto them that they did how doth this man say that our religion was not these 1500. yeares in the world It was in the world but hated of the world which hated Ioh. 15. 18. 19 Christ yet was it constantly confessed euen to death of them whome God the Father hath giuen to Christ out of Ioh. 17. 6. 9. the world Hereby it may sufficiently appeare that the Synagogue of the Iewes hath not been more constant in continuance nor more ample in place then the true Church of Christ hath beene In deed it may bee that the Synagogues of the Iewes haue continued in some certaine places more constantly then the true Churches of Iesus Christ haue done Yet herevpon it doth not follow that either Gods admirable promises haue not beene performed or that the true Church hath perished It is not the Synagogue of the Iewes but the true Church of God that is clothed with Apoca. â—2 1. Christ the Sonne of righteousnes treadeth vnder her feete earthly things which be mutable as the moone is adorned with the doctrine of Christs twelue Apostles which is forced Chrysostom in psal 114. to flee into the wildernes Chrysostome saith well Ecclesia est tabernaculuÌ„ à deo fixum non ab homine ab vno loco in alium fugit sed non à pietate ad impietatem fugit that is The Church is the tabernacle which God hath pight not man shee fleeth from one place to another but shee neuer fleeth from Godlines to impiety and wickednes As Barrabas found here more fauor with the prelates and priests of Iudah and Ierusalem then Iesus Christ the Sonne of God did So the Popes and Iewes Synagogues haue found more fauor and more quietly rested in this wicked world then the true Church of Iesus Christ hath done As euen in Rome the Iewes professed open enemies of our Sauiour Christ haue had and yet haue their synagogues and liue paying their tributes in as great quietnesse and safety as the Curtizans Whores of Rome doe which pay yearely to the Pope twenty thousand duckates It is written in the pontificall Cornel. Aprip de Vanitate Scient cap. 64. that at the coronation of the Pope and in his procession to the Church of Laterane the Iewes vse to meete him and making curtesie do offer the law to him to whom hee giueth a gentle answer But whereas the foresaid Arnoldus Brixianus a great learned man reproued the errors enormities of the Church of Rome Adrian the fourth our proud Platina in Adriano 4. countriman who rebuked the Emperour for holding his wrong stirrop would not go vp the Church of Laterane to Platina in Honorio 2. be consecrate vntil he were driuen out of Rome There was also one Arnulphus in Rome a Godly man whom many of the inhabitants thereof acknowledge for a true disciple of Christ that was there murthered by the priests for inueighing Platina in Paulo 2. Sabellicus Ennead 10. l. b. 7. against their wickednes Also in a towne neere Rome called Pole the Lord therof with many others were counted heretikes for saying that none of them which followed Peter were the true vicars of Christ but such as followed the pouerty of Christ These Pope Paulus the second persecuted contumeliously intreated as Platina Sabellicus do write Hereby wee see that it is a thing more allowable in Rome to deny Christ as the Iewes do then to meddle with the Popes triple crowne or to reproue his pride enormities This our doctrine of performing Gods admirable promises not in proud Popes and wicked worldlings but in the faithfull which feare God tremble at his word and are for the most part hated and persecuted in the world doth neither shew the path to Atheisme nor open the gap to Machiuilian deuises which by the testimonie of some Papists themselues are no where sooner learned then in that schoole wherein T. W. the author of this slanderous libell hath beene as I suppose too much and too long trained I meane the schoole of Iesuites of whome William Watson a Popish secular Priest in his booke of Quodlibets lately published Quodlib 1. art 9 pag 21. Ibidem doth thus write Many Atheal paradoxes be taught in the Iesuites conclaue or close conuenticles Aga. Questionlesse the Iesuits want neither art nor euill will nor yet malitious meanes to effect it as hauing vsed from the beginning more Machiuilian deuises and Atheal practises in secret conference by their inferior agents with schismatikes yea and with our common aduersaries then with catholikes Againe It must Quodlib 4. art 4. pag. 112. needes follow that there is not a Iesuite in al England this day but hath a bitter smack of father Parsons impiety irreligiosity treachery treason and Machiuilian Atheisme Againe neither Machiuel nor any that euer yet was in Europe came neere Quodi 9. art 7. pag. 314. vnto the Iesuites for Atheal deuise to preâ—eâ—t he stopples of their stratagems and to further their proceedings Againe But I call them Iesuiticall that is the faction of the Iesuites In the appendix to the Quodli pag. 346. by abbreuiation to auoide circumlocution in one word expressing them to bee a factious seditious ambitious auaritious treacherous traiterous Machiuilian Atheâ—ll consort that abusing the rules of their society c. By the iudgement of this Popish Priest let the good Reader consider who they bee that shew the path to Atheisme and open the gap to Machiuilian deuises The Pamphlet The learned Protestants are Infidels 2. Article WHosoeuer buildeth his faith voppn his owne priuate and singular exposition of Scripture is an Infidel But all learned Protestants in England build their faith vppon their owne priuate exposition of Sripture Ergo all the Protestants of England
eight for assuming of such a preheminence vnto him Read the Annales of Scotland and you shall finde the prefumptious presbiterie euery foote opposing themselues against our Kings authoritie as though hee had nothing to doe with the kirke Looke into the cariage of our precifians at home and you shall finde them in shew to professe it but in deedes and effects really to denie it For if the approue his supremacy with what face can they deny his ordinaÌ„ces in matters of Religion why weare they not Vestimentes Surplises the Cappe and Tippet Why refuse they to Baptise with the signe of the Crosse Why subscribe they not to the Booke of common praier why obey they not the Ecclesiasticall cannons established by his Maiesties authoritie no other reason of this obstinate repugnance can bee yeelded then that in verie truth they doe not in conscience allow of his supremacy 2. Is not the authoritie of Bishoppes their power to create Ministers their degree in dignitie aboue ordinarie Curates and pastors a matter of faith and so neerelie toucheth the gouernment of the Church that if this Hereticall order bee abolished the whole forme of Christes Church is presentlie confounded 3. The obseruation of feastes and holie daies infringed by Puritanes maintained by Protestants is it but a ceremonie were not the obstinate impugning thereof a sufficient reason to censure them for Heretikes Did not the Councell of Nice condemne the Quartoderimeni for Heretikes who would onelie haue obserued their Easter day vpon the foureteenth daie of the month of March what if they had called our precisians to the barre who will haue it wholie abolished Questionlesse they would haue branded them in a farre deeper degree of heresie then the Quarto-derimani 4. Is not the obseruation of Lent and other fasting daies a matter of more moment then trifles or then things indifferent Did not Saint Epiphanius censure Aerius of heresie for denyning these prescript times for fasting for albeit they bee not precisely set downe in Scriptures and therein commanded to bee obserued yet they beeing either ordained by the Apostles or instituted by the Church which had authoritie to appoint fastes at least as well as the Puritane Presb terie without doubt hee that callâ—th this holie institution either doctrine of diuells or torture of consciences or restraint of Euangelicall libertie ought by the iudgement of all true Protestantes to bee condemned for a Pagan and Infidell who will not submit his soule to the censure of the Church 5. The Puritanes blasphemously pronounce and ignorantly defend that Christ suffered the paines of hell vpon the Crosse and that in his passionall agony and agonizing greife did principally consist the satisfaction of Christ for the redemption of man from those eternall tormentes of hell and thinke you this is a trifle a rite or ceremony This faith the Puritans professe this blaspheny the Protestants detest 6. The descention of Christ to hell is no doubt but a trifle a ceremonie a matter of small importance it is but an article of our Creed and yet this article the Puritanes really deny the which all Protestants stedfastly beleeue 7. That the second person in Trinitie receiued his diuinity from his father is but a trifle a point not much material to our beleefe yet this being denied the mystery of the holy Trinity can not bee beleeued for it absolutely taketh away the nature of a sonne and consequently the admirable procession of the sâ—cond person and so ouer throweth all the mysterie of the Trinity This principall part of Christianity Protestants approoue and Puritanes improoue 8. Iomit here many more pettie differences in matters of faith the which were sufficient to make them condemne one an other not onelie in accidents and ceremonies but also in the substance and principall partes of Religion as in that the Precisians denie that in Baptisme our sinnes bee remitted but onely take it for a seale of that grace God gaue them by his eternall election That Protestants confesse that in the Sacrament we are washed by Gods spirit from originall sinne 9. The Puritanes condemn the coÌ„munion booke as irreligious and erronious the Protestantes commend it as Orthodoxall and Religious 10. The Protestants vse the Cosse in Baptisme as a holie signe fit for the profession of Christ his faith and Religion the Puritans exclame against it as an humane inuention anda point of superstition 11. Protestants defend that imposition of hands in confirmation is a signe of the fauour and goodnesse of GOD towards them The Puritanes auouch that this is a flat lie and that they testifie therein that doth that he neuer did 12. The Protestants in fine will vse Vestments Musicke Orgaines Surplesses and diuers other ceremonies in diuine seruice and administration of Sacraments all which the Puritanes condemne as will-worshippe and not being commanded by God to bee superstitious All these I say I omit and many more which are to be seene in the Puritanes supplication to the Parliament where two and thirty differences are assigned and onely haue thought good to aduertise euery discreete protestant to consider the seauen precedent differences for there is neuer a one of them which the Puritane defendeth not to bee a matter of faith and the Protestant is bound in consâ—icence to condemne him for obstinately maintaining the contrarie to bee an Heretike the reason is euident for the rule square that Protestantes and Puritans both hold to know an heresie is this whatsoeuer is contrarie to Gods word is an heresie if it be obstinatly defended but all the foresaid seauen points in controuersie are by the one part prooued contrarie to Gods word and by the other auouched to bee grounded vpon the same therefore we may well conclude that if one error in faith with obstinacie defended sufficeth to make an heretike what shal we iudge of the Puritane who so manly defendeth so many Sure this I will auerr that they differ in substance of Religion and not onely in accidents and ceremonies And finally they haue no argument to prooue that they haue the true Church true Religion true faith which all heretikes which euer were wil not bring to condemne the Church as well as they For example they alleadge Scriptures so did the Arrians they contemne Councels the Arrians did not regard them they challenge to themselues the true interpretation the same did all heretikes to this day And to conclude they call themselues the little flocke of Christ to whome God hath reuealed his truth and illumited them from aboue all which the Donatists with as good reason and better arguments did arrogate vnto themselues The same I say of Pelagians Nestorians Eutychians with all the rabble of other damned heretikes And to conclude these articles of faith I say that if the principles of the Protestants religion be true Saint Paul himselfe exhorteth vs to infidelity which I proue thus Whosoeuer exhorteth vs to doubt of that which we are bound to beleeue by faith exhorteth to
discerne the absurdities of an vntrue religion Vertuous and well inclined affections which are the base of quiet secure and religious consciences abhor and detest such principles as either dishonor God abase mans nature occasion sinne fauor iniquity or any sort diminish deuotion or piety And therefore all the insequent articles shall stand vpon these two foundations to wit that the Protestants religion debarreth the wit from right vnderstanding the true faith and the will from following of any vertue or godlinesse Answere YOu wonder that any man in England endued with a good iudgement conioyned with a religious conscience can either accept or affect the Protestants new coyned gospell But why doe you not shew what is the new coyned gospell which the Protestants preach and professe The Gospell is the good and ioyfull message of our saluation through Gods mercies purchased vnto vs by Iesus Christ This Gospell God preached to Adam that Iesus Christ the seed of the woman should breake the Serpents Genes 3. 16. head This he renued to Abraham saying In thy seed shall all the nations of the world bee blessed This Gospell was Genes 22. 18. preached by all the Prophets who beare witnesse vnto Christ that through his name all that beleeue in him shall Act. 10. 43. reciue forgiuenesse of sinnes Now if you can prooue that wee preach or maintaine any other gospell then this then you may well call it a new coyned gospell if otherwise take heed you doe not belch out blasphemie in calling this old and true gospell of Iesus Christ a new coyned gospell And let the Christian reader which tendereth his owne saluation well consider who they be that coine a new false and counterfeit gospell Doe not they which teach vs to ascend into heauen by the bloud of Thomas Becket coyne a In the Popish Primer printed 1557. new and false gospell Tu per Thomae sanguinem c. which they Englished in Queene Maries dayes thus By the bloud of Thomas which hee for thee did spend make vs Christ to come whither Thomas did ascend Againe Iesu bone per Thomae merita nostra nobis dimitte debita O good Iesus for the merits of Thomas Becket forgiue vs our sinnes Doe not they which teach vs to seeke to bee deliuered from the fire of hell by the merits and prayers of Saint Nicholas maintaine a new coyned gospell Thus they prayed Quesimus vt eius meritis precibus à gehennae incendiis In the same Primer liberemur Grant wee beseech thee that by his merites and prayers wee may bee deliuered from the fire of hell Do not they which say and beleeue of an Agnus dei that is to say a peece of waxe and balme consecrated by the Pope Tollit omne malignum peccatum frangit vt Lib. 1. Caeremo titul 7. pag 91. Christi sanguis angit It taketh away all euill it breaketh and strangleth sinne as doth the bloud of Christ doe not they I say coine a new false and blasphemous Gospell Yes surely for to attribute remission of sinnes or any part of saluation to the merits of any other but onely of Iesus Christ crucified is to coine a new and false gospell for it is not that gospell of God which hee promised afore by his Rom. 1. 2. Prophets in the holy scriptures which is concerning his sonne Iesus Christ our Lord c. To conclude this point I say woe woe vnto them that accept or affect any new coined gospell Script Brita Centur. 4. p. 308. How your Friers went about aboue 300. yeares past to bring in a new coyned gospell which they called the euerlasting gospell and said that it excelled as much the Gospel of Christ as the Sunne in brightnesse excelleth the Moone and the kirnell the shell Maister Bale out of the Bookes of that execellent man William de Sancto amore who in those dayes did withstand their diuelish deuises did largely declare And whereas you wonder that men indued with iudgment and a religious conscience could affect or accept the gospel that we preach which you falsely call a new coined gospell we may well wonder that any man that hath any sparke of knowledge or conscience should beleeue these foresaid false gospels Wee may also wonder that men indued with reasonable soules and senses being the handy worke of God should bow downe and worship a stone and stock which hath neither soule nor life hath eyes and seeth not eares and heareth not c. and is the workemanship of mans Psal 115. 135. hands especially being so plainely and expresly forbidden in Gods commandements infinit places of the scriptures We may wonder that any man should be so mad as to worship and thinke that which he doth eate to be his God and maker which is so absurd that euen Tully not without Cicero de Natura dâ—orum lib. 2. reason could say sed ecquem tam amentem esse put as qui illud quo vescitur deum credat esse Doest thou thinke any man so mad as to beleeue that to be his God which he doth eate yet into this madnesse by a spirituall phrensie be these men fallen Wee also may wonder that they should beleeue such false fables and lying miracles as abound in poperie as for example to cast the dung of their abhominations vpon their faces That Images did speake did sweate did roll their eyes did bleed that the head of a dog being cut off from the body by theeues which vpon Saint Katherines day came to rob a Priest who was a deuoute Inter sermones discipuli Serm. de S. Katherin worshipper of her did still barke That the Virgin Mary did for many yeares in a Nunnery keepe the keyes and supply the place of one Beatrix whilest shee went away and played the whore These and many such absurd fables were preached published printed and beleeued as may appeare by Sermones discipuli Antoninus the Archbishop of In promptu discipuli Florence stories Mariale Summa praedicantia the festiuall Vitas patrum and that monstrous booke the Legend written by Iacobus de Voragine Archbishop of Genua Which Supplementum Chronicorum Bergomens li. 13. fol. 205. yet was in so great reputation with them that it was published in print in the English tongue when the holy Bible was suppressed and had this title set before it The golden Legend for as gold excelleth all other mettals so this booke excelleth all other bookes to the which title that worthy and right worshipfull Knight Sir Andrew Corbet of blessed memory did adde these words In lying and so of a false blasphemous title made it a most true title Yea I haue a booke in English in Folio translated out of French and printed in London in King Henry the eights daies Anno 1521. intituled The flower of the Commandements fully fraighted with such sottish and worse then old wiues fables which yet in those daies were preached
in our writings auoyding all curious questions and intricate and needlesse distinctions we appeale to the consciences of al that reade and heare vs. As touching your method concerning errours in doctrine and inordinate affections in manners if you can proue that our wits be inueigled with them and our liues stained with these more then wee can prooue euen your holy Fathers the Popes forsooth Peters successors and Christes vicars haue beene you shall winne the victorie You seeme to attribute too much to our very naturall faculties to the iudging and discerning of truth proposed not considering the corruption of our naturall faculties by sinne how both the minde is blinded and the will peruerted Our Sauiour Christ saith The light shineth in darkenesse and the darkenesse Iohn 1. 5. 1. Cor. 2. 14. comprehendeth it not Saitn Paul saith that animalis homo the naturall man perceiueth not the things of the spirit of GOD for they are foolishnes vnto him neither can hee know them because they are spiritually discerned But of this I forbeare to speake any more and also will leaue the other wast words in your letter and doe come vnto your articles of faith The Pamphlet The first article concerning knowledge and faith The Protestants haue no faith nor Religion THe Protestants haue no faith no hope no charitie no repentance no iustification no Church no alter no sacrifice no Priest no Religion no Christ the reason is for if they haue then the world was without them for a thousand yeeres as they themselues must needes confesse videlicet all the time their Church was eclipsed and 1500. as we will prooue by all records of antiquitie as Histories Councels monuments of ancient Fathers Whereby it plainely appeareth that the synagogue of the Iewes was more constant in continuance more ample for place then the Church of Christ For the haue had their sinagogue visible in diuers countries euer since Christs death and passion euen vntill this day which is the very path to lead men into Atheisme as though Christ were not as yet come into the world a Isa 60. 11. whose admirable promises are not accomplished b Math 16 18. whose assistance hath failed in preseruing his Church vnto the worlds end whose presence was absent many hundred yeeres before â— cap 28 20. the finall consumation and consequenetly they open the gap to all Machiuillians who say that our Sauiour was one of the deceiuers of the world promising so much concerning his Church and performing so little Answer LOoking in this first article to haue found a syllogisme which this worthy writer vseth in some articles following but heere for want of a good medium as it may seeme to frame one by hath omitted I found a false assertion and a foolish probation The assertion that we haue no faith Haue we no faith The Deuils haue some faith Saint Iames saith The Deuills beleeue tremble and haue wee no faith wee are much beholden Iaâ— 2 19. vnto you for your charitable opinion of vs. You are by the doctrine of Saint Paule not to thinke so euill but to 1 Cor. 13. 7. hope the best of them that professe Iesus Christ and his holy Gospell But to this your false and slaunderous assertion I will oppose a true affirmation and confession Wee beleeue all that God hath deliuered to vs by Moses the Faith Prophets and Apostles in the old and new Testament yea we beleeue the contents of the Creeds of the Apostles Nicene Athanasius and yet haue we no faith Wee hope Hope to passe hereafter from death vnto life and to bee partakers of that kingdome of glory which God hath promised and Iesus Christ hath purchased for all those that truly beleeue in him We trust that we haue Charitie loue both towards God and man although wee confesse not in such Charitâ—e full and perfect measure as wee ought to haue Wee with Saint Iohn say Hee that loueth not his brother abideth in 1. Iohn 3 14. death Wee acknowledge repentance to bee one of those Repentance chiefe heads wherein the summe of Christianity is comprised Saint Marke setting forth the summe and substance of Christes doctrine comprehendeth it in these two Repent Marke 1 16. Acts 20 21. and beleeue the Gospell so did saint Paule witnes sing both to the Iewes and to the Grecians the repentance towards GGD and faith towards our Lord Iesus Christ We beleeue to be iustified not by our owne works of righteousnes which wee vnprofitable seruants and prodigall Iustification Luke 17. 10. 15. 21. children haue done nor by the merits of any Saints in heauen or in earth but by the mercies of God purchased vnto vs by the blessed and bloudy merits of Iesus Christ and applied vnto our soules by the band of faith by the John 3. 36. Rom. 3. 25. 4. 5. Ephes 2. 8. Ephes 3. 17. Church which Christ doth dwell in our hearts and is made ours We beleeue that wee are true members of that holy Catholike Church which is Christes misticall body and whereof hee is the head which is the spouse and hee the bridegroome which is his flocke and he the shepeard which is the heauenly Hierusalem the Mother of vs all Galath 4. 26 finally which is the number of Gods elect and chosen people that shall rest with Abraham Isaac and Iacob in the Math. 8. 11 Kingdome of Heauen And wee know that wee haue perticular and visible Churches wherein Gods word is more truly preached the Sacraments seales of the word are more purely ministred and Gods name more faithfully inuocated and called vpon then in any or all the Romish Synagogues Indeed wee haue no Idolatrous Alters to offer either carnall or externall sacrifices vpon as though Altars Christs sweet smelling sacrifice were not yet offered but wee haue Mensam Domini the Lords Table where-vpon we minister the Supper of Christ which is a holy Sacrament 1. Cor. 10. 21. of Christs body and bloud giuen for vs a memoriall of his death and passion and a pledge of our redemption and saluation purchased thereby Wee haue that sweete smelling and sufficient Sacrifice which Iesus Christ by his eternall spirit offered without fault vnto GOD to purge Sacrifice Hebre. 9. 14. our consciences from dead workes to serue the liuing GOD. As for the sacrifice of the Masse as being iniurious to the said sacrifice of Iesus Christ which he once for all and for euer offered vpon the Altar of the Crosse wee deny and defie We haue no shauen nor greased Priests to offer the Priests said false and forged sacrifice of the Masse but wee haue priests pastours or ministers how-so-euer wee terme them according to the ordinance of Christ to preach his holy Gospell and to administer his sacraments to his Church We haue and vse that religion which hath the testimonie of Religion Rom. 3. the law and prophets
Protestants deny three articles of our creed and the Puritanes fiue I say that you affirme much and proue little But first you might well ynough haue forborne this distinction of Protestants Puritanes for although some haue differd in some outward matters concerning ceremonies externall orders in the Church yet these all greatly agree and consent in all points of the doctrine of faith and Articles of Christian Religion Neither do I know any that deserue so well of this name of Puritanes as you who glory that you after Baptisme bee pure from all sinne and for actuall sinnes after committed can make so full satisfaction to God for them that hee can request no more of you as hereafter I will shew and therefor it is you that may well be called Puritanes of whome that saying of Sollomon may be well verified There is a generation that are pure in their owne conceit and yet are not washed from their filthines Prou 30. But let vs come to the examination of your proofe of this your absurd and slaunderous assertion The first you fay is the Catholike Church Credo Ecclesiam sanctam Catholicam doe wee deny this Article Why doe wee then not onely print it and rehearse it in our Creed but also expound it in our preachings and Catechising I haue said before that which may seeme sufficient concerning this matter andd article yet the better to satisfie the Christian Reader and to stop the mouth of this malicious accuser I say againe that by the holy Catholike Church mentioned in the Creede is ment the company of all Gods elected and faithfull people whome he calleth iustifieth and sanctifieth to be vessels of his mercy and heires of his kingdome of glory which is the body of Christ and he the head the spouse of Christ and he the bridegrome the house of Christ and he the foundation the flocke of Christ and hee the shepehard And this Church wee confesse to bee Catholike that is to say vniuersall both in respect of time for that it consisteth of all them that are written in the booke of life which haue bene from the beginning of the world and shall be to the end thereof and also of place for that it is not now contained in any one country Act. â—o 35. but as S. Peter saith In euery nation be that feareth God and worketh righteousnes is accepted with him and is a true meÌ„ber of this Catholike church That this is the holy Catholike Church which we confesse and beleeue wherof the prophane wicked hypocrites and reprobates bee no part besides that which I haue said before I will further proue it by the holy Scriptures and ancient Fathers Saint Paul saith Let vs follow the truth in loue and in all things grow vp Ephes 4. 15. vnto him which is the head that is Christ by whom all the body being coupled and knit together by euery ioynt for the furniture thereof according to the effectuall power which is in the measure of euery part receiueth increace of the body vnto the edifying of it sefe in loue Againe Christ loued â—he Church Chap. 5. 25. and gaue himselfe for it that be might sanctifie it and clense it by the washing of water through the word that he might make it to him selfe a glorious Church not hauing spot or wrinkle or any such thing but that it should be holy and without blame These things belong onely to the elect people of God who shall raigne with him in his eternall kingdome of glory For they onely be the body of Christ knit together in him sanctified here to bee without spot or blemish hereafter The Apostle to the Hebrues saith Whose house we are if we Heb. 3. 6. hold fast that confidence and that reioycing of hope vnto the end Where he sheweth that they belong to the house of God which is the Church of the liuing God the pillar and 1. Timth 3. 15 stay of truth which vnto the end hold fast their confident faith and hope of Gods glory wherof they reioyce which belongeth onely to the faithfull and chosen children of God This is that Church whereof he speaketh after But Heb. 12. 22. ye are come vnto the mount Sion and to the citty of the liuing God the celestiall Ierusalem and to the company of innumerable Angels and to the assembly and congregation of the first borne which are written in heauen and to God the Iudge of all and to the spirits of iust and perfect men To whom can these Galat. 4. things pertaine but onely to the Ierusalem which is aboue the mother of vs all which is the holy Catholike Church that we beleeue Hereunto I will adde a few sayings of the Fathers Saint Augustine saith Corpus huius capitis Ecclesiaest non quae hoc loco est sed quae hoc loco pertotum orbem terrarum nec August in Psal 81. illa quae hoc tempore sed ab ipso Abel vsque ad eos qui nascituri sunt vsque in finem credituri in ChristuÌ„ totus populus sanctorum ad vnam ciuitatem pertinentium quae ciuitas corpus est Christi cui caput est Christus The body of this head is the Church not which is in this place only but that which is in this place through the whole would neither that Church which is at this time but that of them which from Abel shall be borne vnto the end and shall beleeue in Christ eueÌ„ the whole company of Saints pertaining to one citty which city is the body of Christ wherof Christ is the head And in another place Ille caput est nos membra sumus tota ecclesia quae vbique diffusa est corpus ipsius est cuius Idem in Psa 62 est ipse caput Non solum qutem fideles quâ— modo sunt sed qui fuerunt ante nos qui post nos futuri sunt vsque in finem seculi omnes adcorpus eius pertinent cuius corporis ipse caput est qui ascendit in coelum He is the head wee are his members the whole Church which is dispersed euery where is his body whereof he is the head And not onely the faithfull which be now but also they which haue beene before vs and which shall be after vs vnto the end of the world all pertaine to his bodie of which bodie hee which hath Idem de Catech rud c. 20. ascended into heauen is the head Againe Caelestis Hierusalem ciues sunt omnes saâ—ctificati homines qui fuerunt qui sunt qui futuri sunt All sanctified men which haue beene which are and which shall bee Citizens of the heauenly Ierusalem Cyprian saith Ecclesia nunquam à Cyprian lib. 1. epist 3. Christo discedit ii sunt ecclesia qui in domo Dei pâ—rmanent The Church neuer departeth from Christ and they bee the Church which continue in the house of God Againe Jdem de
Maxime quin hoc opus nostrum quo singularis ille reruÌ„ conditor huius immensi operis rector asseritur si quis attigerit ex istis inepte religiosis vt sunt nimia superstitione impatientes insectetur etiam maledictis vt vix lecto fortasse principio affligat proijciat execretur seque inexpiabili scelere contaminari atque astringi putet si haec aut legat patienter aut audiat One Bee or egge is not liker to another then to these Pagans be our peeuish Papists in shutting their eies from reading godly and learned bookes tending to the confutation of their errors the instruction of them in the truth Whom yet I am to intreate with Lactantius words immediatly following Ab hoc tamen si Idem ibidem fieri potest humanitatis iure postulamus vt noÌ„ prius daÌ„net quam vniuersa cognouerit Nam si sacrilegis proditoribus veneficis potestas defendendi sui datur nec praedamnari quenquam incognita causa licet non iniustè petere videmur vt si quis erit ille qui inciderit in haec si leget perlegat si audiet sententiam differat in extremuÌ„ This reasonable request I would that I might obtaine at our Romish Catholickes hands that they would first read and examine this my answere before they condemne it For what is more vniust then to condemne that which a maÌ„ doth not know Howbeit I doubt least with the same Lanctantius I must say Sed noui hominum pertinaciam nunquam â—bidem impetrabimus Timent enim ne à nobis reuicti manus dare aliquando clamante ipsa veritate cogantur Obstrepunt igitur intercedunt ne audiant oculos suos opprimunt ne lumen videant quod offerimus Euen so our vntruly termed Catholickes doe follow this froward peruersitie of the Pagans in whom that saying also of the Prophet as it is alleaged by Saint Luke is verified The heart of this people is waxed Act. 28. 27. grosse or fat and their eares are dull of hearing and they haue shut their eyes least they should see with their eyes and heare with their eares and vnderstand with their hearts and should be conuerted and I might heale them The which is a fearefull iudgement of God when men refusing the loue of the truth that they might be saued be giuen vp to a 2. Thess 2. strong delusion to beleeue lyes But if these blinded with errour and ignorance for whose sake especially I haue written this answere will not vouchsafe to read it nor make any vse and profit of it yet if it may some what serue to edifie the faithfull and confirme the weake I shall thinke my labour not altogether lost The which how small or simple soeuer it be yet as I haue written it for the good of Gods Church so I haue bin by your Honours curtesie incouraged to offer and present it vnto your Lordship as a true testimony of my louing heart and dutiful affection towards your Honour for your fauour shewed me The God of all grace and mercy blesse your Lordship and all yours increase his good graces and gifts in you and long preserue you to the benefit of this Church and Common-wealth Amen Your Honors most humble to be commanded EDVVARD BVLELEY To the Christian Reader GOod Christian Reader whereas the author of these reasons vpon his good conceit of the forciblenesse of them to perswade to Popery hath thought them worthy of a second impression and a new augmentation I am partly thereby and partly by the request of the Printer and others moued to publish againe in Print my answer to them The which I haue recognised and in many places enlarged by adding not onely moe testimonies but also some discourses I haue also in the end adioyned answers to some friuolous cauillations which S. R. in his answer to Maister Bels downe-fall of Poperie and others haue made against it And hereof I must certifie thee good Reader that I haue inserted into the said reasons the Authors new additions the which that thou maist discerne from the other I haue put this marke vnto them the same marke also I haue put to my answers made to the same I haue also in this impression added an answer to certaine Popish questions written fifteene or sixteene yeares past the which although it was long agoe allowed to be published yet it hath vntill now lien by me howbeit now for the reasons in the Preface before it declared I haue thought good to ioyne it vnto this Now although this my answer will bring no profit to them that being wedded to will and bewitched by a strong delusion will not vouchsafe to looke vpon it much lesse will wholy read compare and examine it but will condemne it before they know it yet if it may serue to the defence of Gods truth and to the confirming of thee good Reader in the same as I shall therein obtaine that I doe seeke so my desire is that thou wilt remember mee at the throne of grace in thy faithfull prayers The Father of all mercy giue vs true vnderstanding in all things and guide vs by the light of his holy word outwardly and by his blessed spirit inwardly to beleeue his truth and obey his will to his owne glory and our eternall comfort Amen Aprill 22. 1608. Thine in Christ Iesus ED BVLKELEY AN ANSWER TO AN VNLEARNED SLANDEROVS AND LYING PAMPHLET INTITVLED Certaine articles or forcible reasons discouering the palpable absurdities and most notorious errors of the Protestants Religion pretended to be Printed at Antwerpe 1600. TO the sayings of the Prophet Esaias chap. 59. 10. and Elizeus 4. King 6. 20. set in the first front of this peeuish Pamphlet whereby he would insinuate and signifie vs to be blind I answere that if we be blind which giue our selues daily and diligently both pastors and people to the reading and hearing of Gods holy word and doe endeuour to make that a light vnto our Psal 119. 105 feete and a lanterne vnto our pathes in what estate be they which keepe the light of Gods word vnder the bushell of a strange tongue and read the same both little them-selues and disswade and with-draw others from it Aeneas Syluius who was Pope called Pius Secundus writeth thus of the Italian Priests in his dayes and of the good people in Bohemia Pudeat Italiae Sacerdotes quos ne semel quidem Commenta de dictis sactis Alphonsi Reg. lib. 2. 17. nouam legem constat legisse apud Thaboritas vix mulierculam inuenias quae de Nouo Testamento veteri respondere nesciat i. The priests of Italie may bee ashamed who are knowne not once to haue read the new Testament seeing with the Thaborites one can hardly finde a silly woman which cannot answer out of the old and new Testament Iohn Gerson Chancellor of the Vniuersitie of Paris who liued Anno 1415. and was a great dealer
and wherein the true worship and seruice of God according to his will reuealed in his holy word is contained your 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and superstition we flee and forsake Finally we haue that Christ which came Christ 1. Tim. 1. 15. Iohn 1. 29. into this world to saue sinners and which is that Lambe of God that taketh away the sinne of the world whom we acknowledge more soundly to be our onely high prophet Matth. 17. 5. to instruct vs in the will of his father whose onely voyce wee must heare our onely high priest with the sacrifice of his body and bloud once offered to redeeme vs and reconcile vs vnto GOD our onely mediator and intercessor to sitte for euer at the right hand of God to make intercession for vs and our onely high King to deliuer vs out of the hands of our enemies to giue lawes vnto our consciences and to rule vs with the scepter of his holy word then the Pope and all his adherents doe This our true confession where-vnto God and our consciences bee witnesses we oppose to your false and slaunderous obtrectation and accusation saying with Saint Paul Wee passe very 1. Cor. 4. 3. little to bee iudged of you or of mans iudgement and with him also exhort you not to iudge before the time vntill the Lord come who will lighten things that are hid in darkenesse and make the counsels of the hearts manifest and then shall euery man haue praise of God Further I doe exhort you that take vpon you so seuerely to censure and iudge others carefully to take heede to your selues that you haue not a false faith grounded not vpon Gods promises Faith contained in his word but vpon mans deuises and traditions which as Epiphanius saith is worse then no faith Epipha in Anâ—â—rat◠〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and that you bee not voyde of true hope by teaching the doctrine of doubting whereof Hope I shall speake hereafter and by fearing to be after death throwne into the firie torments of purgatorie and that you want not true charitie in iudging so falsely and maliciously Charity and persecuting vs so cruelly as you vse to doe when time and powre serueth you and that you haue no true repentance nor remorse of conscience for sinne in Repentance persisting so obstinately in damnable doctrine and abominable idolatrie and that by leaning to your owne righteousnesse and the merites of other men which were sinners themselues you loose not that true iustification Iustification which is the righteousnesse of GOD by the faith of Iesus Christ vnto all and vpon all that beleeue which is onely Rom. 3. 22. able to stand and discharge vs before the iudgement seate of Iesus Christ and is the onely strong staffe to leane vpon to leap ouer the ditch of damnation and beware I say that you leaning vpon the weake reede of your owne merites and others fall not into the middest thereof from which there is no rising take heede you be not of the malignant Church which heareth not the voice of Christ Church 2. Thessalo 2. and wherein that man of sinne and sonne of perdition sitteth and raigneth and that you haue not such Idolatrous altars as Iereboam had against which the man of God cried and vpon which the like iudgement of God fell Altars 1. King 13. 2 as hath done vpon yours now And that you haue not a false forged sacrifice which appeaseth not but dailie prouoketh Sacrifice Gods wrath against you and that you bee not without Priests to teach the law of God truely but haue Priest Ierem. 2. 8. Malach. 2. 8. swarmes of such Priests as say not where is the Lord and know not GOD but prophesie in Baal which haue gone out of the way and haue caused many to fall by the law c. Beware that you bee not without Religion remembring Religion Lactant. de origi erroris lib. 2 cap 19. Christ August de ciuitate dei lib. 18. cap. 2. the saying of Lactantius Quare non est dubium quin religio nulla sit vbicunque simulachrum est Wherefore there is no doubt but that there is no Religion wheresoeuer an Image is Finally I say againe and againe beware that you forsake not the true Christ and worship Antichrist sitting in the westerne Babylon built vpon seauen hilles which in the daies of Saint Iohn raigned ouer the Apoc. 17. 9. 18 Kings of the earth wherefore bee not so rash in iudging so hardly and vncharitably of others but examine and iudge your selues that you bee not iudged of the Lord. But I now come to your pithie probation of this your vncharitable 1. Cor. 11. 31. 1 and shamelesse assertion The reason you say is For if they haue then the world was without them for a thousand yeares as they themselues must needes confesse videl all the time their Church was eclipsed and for 1500. as wee will prooue by the testimonie of all recordes of antiquitie c. Wherevnto I answere that if wee take the world in that sense which the scripture sometimes doth for the multitude and societie of them Whereof the diuell Ioh. 14 30. 2. Cor. 4. 4 Iob. 15. 18. 19 1. Joh. 5. 19 Ioâ— 17 9 Ioh. 14. 22 is prince which hateth Christ and his true disciples which is set vpon wickednesse for the which our Sauiour Christ refused to pray saying I pray not for the world and whereof Iudas not Iscariot did say what is the cause that thou wilt shew thy selfe to vs and not vnto the world In this sense I may grant that the world hath not had these gifts of Gods grace these thousand yeares and put another thousand and more vnto them But if we take the world more generally for this great Globe and all the inhabitants thereof then prooue by the testimonie of all antiquitie that the doctrine which wee teach and professe hath not beene these 1500. yeares in the world and wee will yeeld and you shall winne the victorie But it is vsuall with you and your fellowes to make great and braue bragges to amaze the simple and ignorant and to bring small and poore proofes as you doe here none at all to perswade the wise and learned great braggers are no great doers In deede wee confesse that the Church is well compared by Saint Augustine to the Moone For as the August in Psa 10 Moone receiueth her light from the Sunne so doth the true Church receiue her light from Iesus Christ the sonne Malach. â— 2 of righteousnesse And as the Moone is sometimes in the full and shineth in full brightnesse and sometimes is in the waine and sometimes is eclipsed and doth little appeare euen so the Church is sometimes in the full and shineth in full brightnes and glory as in the Apostles times and diuers hundreth yeares after it did sometimes it is in the waine and eclipsed as for many
are Infidels The Maior cannot bee denied Because faith must he infallible and impossible to be erronius or changeable But faith which is builded vppon priuate exposition of Scripture is subiect to error and change and consequently vpon better aduice consideration may be altered The Minor I proue for either they build their faith vppon their owne priuat opinion in expounding of Scriptures the exposition of the Church the Fathers or Councels but not vppon these three Egro vpon their owne priuate exposition Some Protestants allow the Fathers and their expositions so far forth as they agree with Gods word no farther but this is nothing else but to delude the world for what meane they when they say they wil allow theÌ„ so far forth as they agree with the Scriptures Meane they perhaps that if the Fathers bring Scriptures to proue any point of Religion now in controuersie to allow that point as true If so why then reiect they S. Augustine Aug lib de â—ura Agen pro mortuis and other Fathers who bring Scripture to proue prayer for the dead yea and all controuersies almost in Religion the Fathers proue by Scripture when they dispute vpon them Or perhaps they mean to admit the Fathers wheÌ„ they alledge Scripture but in such matters as euery ProtestaÌ„t shal allow of or that they bee doubtfull or seeme in some sort or shew to be conformable to their fancies and fit their new coined Gospell and in this sense who seeth not that euery paltry companion will make himselfe not only expositor of Christs word but also will prefer his exposition before all ancient Fathers when they daunce not after his pipe and consent not with his heresies Answere HEre wee haue a syllogisme to the Maior or first proposition whereof I answer that they which vniuersaly in all maters and doctrines of saluation doe follow priuate and false expositions of the Scripture bee Infidels but in some places of Scripture a man may follow a priuate and false exposition of the Scripture and beleeue Hilarius in Matth cap. 16 Ambros in Luc lib. 10. the same to bee true and yet bee no Infidell Hilary followed a priuat and false exposition of the place Come behind mee Sathan and Ambrose of Peters deniall of Christ and Hierome in like manner of Peters dissembling with the Iewes Galat. 2. yea and all the Fathers haue in sundry places of Scripture followed priuat and vntrue expositions and haue beleeued the same to bee true and August de Doctri Christ lib. 1. cap. 36. yet they were no Infidels Saint Augustine saith well Quisquis igitur Scripturas diuinas c. Who-soeuer therefore doth thinke him-selfe to vnderstand the holy Scriptures or any part of them so that by that his vnderstanding hee doth not edifie and build this double loue of God and of his neighbour doth not yet vnderstand them But whosouer doth draw such a sense or exposition from them as may be profitable to the edifying of this loue and yet doth not deliuer that which he whome hee readeth shall be proued in that place to haue ment is not dangerously or wickedly deceiued neither doth hee at all lye And againe Ibidem Sed quisquis in Scripturis aliud sentit quam ille qui scripsit illis non mentientibus fallitur sed tamen vt dicere coeperam c. But whosoeuer in the Scriptures doth conceiue any other sense then he that did write it did meane he is deceiued although the Scriptures do not lye yet as I began to say if he be deceiued by that sence which doth edefie loue and charity which is the end of the commandement is so deceiued as if a man missing and leauing his way yet goeth by the field thither whither the way doth lead him Hereby you may perceiue that euery one which followeth a priuat or false exposition of some place of the Scripture is not an Infidell But to leaue this and to come to your Minor or second proposition I auouch the same to bee false and doe deny that we build our faith vpon priuat or false expositions of the Scripture We say with Saint Peter that no prophesie of 2. Tet. 1. 20 the Scripture is of any pruat interpretation But we are to take that sense which the holy Ghost intendeth and meaneth And we say that many things be most plaine and euident in the holy Scriptures so that the simplest may vnderstand them and get knowledge and comfort by them So Chrysostome saith An ista aliquam expositionem desiderant Chrisost ad Rom. Hom. 19. an non clara sunt etiam vehementer stupidis i. Doe these neede any exposition are they not cleere and manifest August in Euang. Ioannis tract 50. euen to those that be very dull So Saint Augustin saith Quaedam in Scripturis tam manifesta sunt vt potius auditorem quam expositorem desiderent i. There be some things in the Scriptures so manifest that they require rather a hearer then an expounder So saith Iustinus Martyr 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Just. Martyr dialo 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 page 68 edit Robert Stephan 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 i. Marke giue heed to those things which I shall recite out of the holy Scriptures which neede not to be expounded but onely to be heard And whereas we confesse that there be some things hard in the Scriptures wee say that the same are to bee vnderstoode and expounded by conferring them with other places of the Scriptures And that no forraine or priuat exposition is to bee brought to them but that which is gathered out of the Scriptures them-selues So Chrysostom saith Scriptura seipsam exponit lectorem errare Chryso in Gent homil 12. non sinit the Scripture expoundeth it selfe and suffereth not the reader to erre Againe Semper enim quando In 2. Cor. homil 9. quid obscurum loquitur seipsum iterum interpretatur Whensoeuer Paul doth speake any thing obscurely he doth alwaies expound him-selfe So saith Saint Augustine Magnifice August de doct Christi lib 2. cap. 6. igiter salubriter c. that is The holy Ghost hath so excellently and holesomely tempered the holy Scriptures that with plaine places hee doth put away hunger and with obscure places take away lothsomnesse For there is nothing gathered from those hard places which is not to be found most plainely vttered in others So Saint Basil saith Quae ambigua sunt tectè dicta esse in quibusdam diuinae Basil Quaest comp explic quaest 267. scripturae locis vide tur ea ab aliis locis manifestis declarantur that is What things be doubtfull or seeme to bee couertly spoken in some places of holy scripture the same are expouÌ„ded by other plaine places Againe Ecce nunc audi ipsam seipsam declarantem scripturam Behold now heare Idem Hexam homil 4. Irenaeus lib. 3. cap. 12. the Scripture expounding it selfe So saith Irenaeus Ostensiones quae
of it but wil expect a syllogisme to bee made of it for the proofe of Purgatorie and then I shall further consider what to say vnto it Wee do beleeue that they onely be members of that bodie whereof Christ Iesus Coloss 12. ◠is the head which bee either triumphing with him in heauen or be fighting for him against Sathan sinne and the world here vpon earth Saint Paul saith that Christ came to make peace by the bloud of his crosse and to reconcile the things which are in earth and the things which are in heauen That is to say his whole vniuersall Church whereof part was alreadie in heauen and part remained behinde vpon the earth They therefore that bee in Purgarorie bee no members of his bodie nor are to bee deliuered by him but being the Popes creatures are either by him who can at his pleasure emptie and scoure Purgatorie to bee deliuered or else still in that fained fire to be tormented Neither hath true Christian charitie so much as the cursed couetousnesse of Priests beene the bellowes to blow that forged fire for the heating of their kitchens Now that I haue answered your reasonlesse reasons of our denying this article of Christian faith the communion of Saints I will briefly shew what is our beleefe of it Wee beleeue that all the Saints of God and members of the holie Catholike Church haue communion and fellowshippe with Iesus Christ and are partakers of all his benefits Of this communion Christ speaketh I am the vine yee are the Joh. 15. 5 branches hee that abideth in me and I in him the same bringeth forth much fruite Of this speaketh S. Paul God is faithful 1. Cor. 1. 9. by whom yee are called vnto the fellowship of his sonne Iesus Christ our Lord. This communion or fellowship is wrought by faith by the which Christ dwelleth in the hearts of all Ephes 3. 17. his elect and faithfull people and by which wee be graffed into him to receiue all grace and goodnes from him as the branch doth from the vine or stocke And we beleeue that all the faithfull and Godly bee knit togither in loue as the Coloss 2. 2 Apostle speaketh whereby they are to communicate those graces and gifts which God hath bestowed vpon them to the edifying and helping of others in such sort as GOD hath appointed Yea wee beleeue that all the faithfull haue communion and fellowship together in that they haue all one heauenly father one Iesus Christ their redeemer and mediator one holy Ghost their sanctifier are iustified by one faith common to all the elect dedicated to GOD by one baptisme called by one Gospell to bee partakers of one kingdome of glory This is the summe of our beleefe concerning this article wherein wee would know what fault you can finde But your communion and vnion consisteth in being vnder one Pope of Rome vnder whose obedince whosoeuer is not you thinke he cannot be saued as is before shewed neither will you haue communion with him And therefore whereas Christianity hath continued as I said before in Greece Russia Aethiopia Armenia and other countries amongst whome no doubt but God hath had and now hath his elect and chosen people yet you haue no communion or felloship with them because they be not vnder your one Pope And much lesse haue you communion with the Saints in heauen because you haue not the faith of Gods elect For did the faithfull Patriakes Prophets Apostles and others beleeue to bee deliuered from the fire of hell by the merits of Nicholas Titus 1. 1. or to ascend into heauen by the blood of Thomas Becket Nay Iesus Christ is the onely mercy seate into the which the two Cherubins did looke that is as I take it both the faithfull before his comming in the flesh and they that be after doe looke only vpon Christ in him onely to seeke and finde mercy Now let vs see the third article of our Creed which you say we deny which is Remission of sinnes Here I beseech the Christian reader to consider who they bee that deny this article containing a principall point of Christian religion and saluation whether we or this accuser with his partners Wee beleeue that whereas we be children of wrath vnprofitable seruants and prodigall children that haue sinned against heauen and our heauenly father and are so deepely indebted to God that we be neuer able to make payment for the which he might iustly throw vs into the dungeon of damnation for euer wee I say beleeue that he hath giuen his onely begotten sonne that whosoeuer Job 3. 16. Ephes 17. beleeueth in him should not perish but haue euerlasting life by whome wee haue redemption through his blood euen the Coloss 2. 14. 1. Ioh. 2. 12. forgiuenes of sinnes according to his rich grace and that our sinnes are forgiuen vs for his names sake And we beleeue that God of his great mercy in Iesus Christ doth forgiue vs not onely our sinnes but also the punishment due vnto them and which we haue deserued by them accepting vs for vessels of his mercy and heires of his glory Now this accuser of vs and his companions doe first beleeue that they doe make satisfaction to Gods iustice for their sinnes For whereas our sinnes be called debts and satisfaction is a payment it followeth that if we doe make satisfaction for them then we neither need nor can haue forgiuenesse of them For our satisfaction and Gods forgiuenesse cannot stand together For euen as if I owe a man a hundreth pounds and I pay him he doth not forgiue it and if he forgiue it I do not pay it So if we by satisfaction make paiment to GOD for our sinnes then hee doth not forgiue them if he forgiue them then wee doe not make satisfaction for them Now let vs see what is the doctrine of these men concerning this their satisfaction whereby they make paiment themselues to God for their debts Bishoppe Fisher whome I suppose the Pope hath fainted for standing so John Fisher in Psa 1. poenitent stifly in his cause writeth hereof thus Thirdly some there be which by grace in this life haue so punished them-selues for their offences that they haue made a sufficient recompence for Jbidem them Againe So doth hearty weeping for sinne expell sinne is a sufficient iust recompence for it And againe But wheras In Psa 2. poenitent any creature hath made due satisfaction in this life he neuer after that shall suffer more paine and also is cleane out of debt and nothing after that shall euer bee claimed of him Againe They bee called recti corde that haue made satisfaction so Jbidem plentifully that God can aske no more of them And in his Latine booke against Luther he hath these words Secundo supponimus quod quanquam nemo sit cui non cumulatius praemium in coelis Deus largiatur quà m hic in
you prooue little The GOD of patience and consolation giue vnto Rom. 15 5. vs and you that wee may bee like minded one towards an other according to Christ Iesus that we may all with one minde and one mouth praise God euen the Father of our Lord Iesus Christ Amen Whereas you say that we haue no argument to prooue that we haue the true Church true religion and true faith but such as al heretikes haue euer vsed I answere that wee haue that argument and proofe for these things which although Heretikes haue falsely pretended as popish heretikes now do yet the Godly learned Fathers haue sincerely vsed And that is the holy word of God the only touchstone of truth and piller of the Church for as the Church 1. Tim. 3. 15 in one respect is the piller of truth as Saint Paul saith so in another the truth is the piller and prop of the Church as Chrysost in illum locum ho mil. 11. Math. 4. 4 7 10. Math. 19. 4. ibid. 22 29. Luk. 24. 27. 32 44 46 Rom. 1 2. 3 21. 4 3. Chrysostom saith For by what meanes els haue the Godly and learned Fathers in all ages confuted heresies and proued the Church but by the scriptures by them our Sauiour Christ foyled the diuell and put him to flight By them he answered the Pharisies By them he confuted the Sadduces By them he proued himselfe to be the promised Messias and Sauiour of the world By them Saint Paul confirmed the Gospel which he preached By them hee perswaded the Iewes those things which concerned Christ Iesus both out of the Law of Moses and out of the Act. 21. 23. ibid. 18 2 8 Prophets By them Apollos confuted the Iewes with great vehemencie shewing by the Scriptures that Iesus was the Christ By them the Godly and learned Fathers confuted and confounded the Arians and other Heretikes whom you here name as by their bookes and particular sayings it euidently appeareth Athanasius speaking of the Godly Athanas de de cretis Nicen. Synod pag. 528 decrees of the councell of Nice against the Arians writeth thus Atque harum rerum non aliunde nos quà m ex scripturis persuasionem habemus that is We be perswaded of these things by no other meanes but by the Scriptures Epiphanius saith In Scripturis sanctis Trinttas nobit Epipâ— contra pâ—â—umaiomachos haeres 7â— annuÌ„tiatur ac creditur citra curiositatem c. The Trinity is in the holy Scriptures preached vnto vs without curiositie beleued And that by theÌ„ al doctrines are to be confirmed al errors and heresies to be confuted they plainely and plentifully shew Tertullian saith that if Heretikes Tertul. lib de resurrec carnes Eâ—iph contra pâ—ulum Samosa haeres 66 Basii epist 80. bee brought to examine and try their questions onely by the Scriptures they cannot stand Epiphanius saith that wee are not to discusse questions by our owne wittes and reasons Sedex Scripturarum consequentia By the consequeÌ„ce of the Scriptures Saint Basil saith Let vs stand to the arbitrement of the Scripture inspired of God and with whome bee found doctrines agreeable to those diuine words let the truth be iudged to be with them Constantine sayd vnto the Bishoppes in the Nicene Councell The Euangelicall and Apostolicall bookes and the Oracles of the Theod. lib. 8. cap. 7 sol 284. Prophets doe plainely instruct vs of GOD wherefore laying away all enimitie and discord let vs take the explication or resolution of the questions in controuersie out of those saying inspired of GOD. So saith Saint Augustine Verum nos sacris literis accommodemus auditum c. August in Euang Ioan. tract 60. August de cura pro mortuis cap. 2. Let vs hearken vnto the holy Scriptures and according to them let vs helpe by the grace of God to dissolue this question And againe Non secunduÌ„ opinionem c. We must consider of this matter not according to yâ— commoÌ„ opinion but according to the holy Scriptures of our religion And of yâ— Church he saith thus Sed vtrum ipsi ecclesiam De vnitate ecclesiae cap. 16. teneant non nisi diuinarum ScripturaruÌ„ canonicis libris ostendant but whether they haue yâ— church let them shew by no other meanes but by the Canonical books of the diuine Scriptures Chrysostom saith yâ— we cannot know Chrisostom in Math. Homil. 44. which is the true Church of Christ Nisi tantummodo per Scripturas but onely by the Scriptures Therefore by the Scriptures proue your doctrine and shew your Church Math 4. But you say the Arians others Heretikes alleadged the Scriptures whereunto I adde that so did the Diuel also but in such sort as you and your fellowes doe in mangling them falsly expounding and applying them as I haue in some part before shewed I am conteÌ„t to ioyne this issue with you that they with be proued to depraue detort mangle and falsly expound and apply the scriptures be heretikes and to bee condemned with these old heretikes whome you here name To whome whether you or we bee more like let the vpright Reader indifferently iudge The Arians seeing that they could haue nothing out of the Scriptures fled as Athanasius saith vnto the Fathers and euen so do you The Arians vsed subtill distinctions Athanas tomâ— 2. to elude and shift of the truth and so do you They denied the person of Christ and you deny the office of Christ in not acknowledging him to be our onely Prophet and teacher whose onely voyce wee must heare and obey nor the only King and head of his Church nor our onely high Priest with the sweet smelling sacrifice of himselfe once for euer offered to redeeme and reconcile vs vnto God nor our only mediator to make intercession for vs. The Arians did cruelly persecute the true Christians Ruffin lib. 1. cap. 17. Socrates lib. 1. cap. 17. zozo in lib. 4. cap. 27. Gregor Nazi anz artic ad Arianos and so do Papists when power is in their hand to doe it The Arians when they could not preuaile against that excellent man Athanasius fell to raile vpon him and to slaunder him accusing him of adulterie murther and sorcerie and euen so do you now deale with such as for their godlinesse and learning may well bee compared with Athanaesiuâ— I meane especially Caeluin whome the Author of that vnlearned libell and beastly booke intituled A quartron of reasons of Catholike religion c. is not ashmed 5. reasoÌ„ pa. 30. to call a seare backt Priest for Sodomie O thou shamelesse man or rather monsterlart thou not ashamed to slaunder and belie such a man of whome they that knew him did truly write of him ipsâ— Ã quo potuit virtutem discere virtus Theo Beza that euen virtue it selfe might as it were haue learned vertue of him How doest thou know that Caluin was such a man I assure my selfe
that thou didst neuer see him nor know him yea I nothing doubt but that thou wast scarcely borne wheÌ„ he died And how dost thou know yâ— he was subiect to such filthy sinne where was hee euer accused or conuicted of such a matter In that Cittie adulteries be punished by death and would Sodomie haue bin winked at in the Preacher And if it were not knowne there how doest thou know it But I will not insist any longer in coÌ„futing this shamelesse slaunder For most true it is which Tully saith Nonne vt ignis in aquam coniectus continuo restinguitur Cicero pâ—o Rosâ—â—o Com. refrigeratur sic referuens falsum crimen in purissimam castissimamque vitam collatum statim concidit extinguitur As fire being cast into water is straight waies quenched so a feruent false crime and slaunder being cast into a most pure and chast life such as Caluines was forth with falleth downe and is extinguished And euen so let this 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 i. slanderer Bolsec the Apostata and all other raile and slaunder what they can yet Caluines memorie with God and all good men wil be blessed for euer And this raiser herein sheweth himselfe like not onely to the Arians but also to that ancient enemie to Christianitiâ— Porphyrius who as Eusebius saith going about to reprehend find fault with the Scriptures and Preachers of the Word not being able to reproue their doctrine 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 â—useh Eccles Histor lib. 6. cap. 19. wanting reasons he fell a railing and slaundering the Preachers But to returne to my matter let the reader also with indifferencie consider who bee like to the Donatists Pelalagians Nestorians Eutychians we or the Papâ—sts The Donatists affirmed the Church to haue perished from the rest of the world and to haue remained onely with them in Africa doe not the Papists in like manner affirme only them to be the Church of God which in a part of Europe be vnder the obedience of the Bishop of Rome vnlesse now they will adde the West Indians of whome as the Spaniards haue murthered many millions so peraduenture a few be either perswaded or coacted to professe Poperie and submit themselues to the Pope of Rome But the Christian Churches in Grecia Aethiopia Armenia Muscouia and other countries they acknowledge not for the Church of God because they doe not subiect themselues vnto the Church of Rome we acknowledge al them to be of the Church of God which in all the world hold the truth in the chiefe and sundamentall points of Christian religion The Pelagians held first that the grace of God whereby we be deliuered is giuen according to our merits Secondly that the law of God may be fulfilled of vs. Thirdly that wee haue free-will the Papists herein be so like to them that as they maintaine in effect the same matters so for the defence of them that alleadge the same places of Scriptures now as the Pelagians of old time did as appeareth by the writings of S. Augustine and S. Hierome Theodo lib. 4. Haeret. â—abul against them Nestorius did as Theodoretus writeth of him trouble and intangle the simple and plaine doctrine of Christian faith with Greekish Sophistications How the Papists haue herein ioyned with him and by their curious questions and vaine Sophistications haue troubled and peruerted the pure simple and plaine faith of Christ by their Schoolemen it doth euidently appeare Eutyches confounded the two natures in Christ and the properties peculiar to them So doe the Papists in making the body of Iesus Christ to be at one instant in heauen and earth and infinite places of the earth which is only proper to the Deity This shall suffice to shew that the Papists bee liker to these olde heretikes then wee are whose doctrine we abhorre and be farre further from it then they be Yea I may not onely truly say but can also plainly proue Poperâ—e to be an hotchpotch of old heresies long ago condemned in the Church of God The which as I did once in publike place shew so I may if it be the will At Paules Crosse Anno 1590. of God heareafter more plainly and plentifully proue Now this worthy writer or rather lewd libeller will proue and that by a Syllogisme out of the principles of our religion that S. Paul exhorteth vs to infidelitie This subtile Syllogisme is thus framed Whosoeuer exhorteth vs to doubt of that which we are bound to beleeue by faith exhorteth to infidelitie But S. Paul doth exhort vs to doubt of our saluation which we are bound to beleeue by faith according to the Protestants religion Ergo. S. Paul exhorteth vs to infidelitie As the assumption or second proposition of this sillogisme as it now standeth is false so by a small alteration both it and all the rest may be very true that is by putting out the name of S. Paul and putting Papists in place thereof in this sort Whosoeuer exhoâ—teth vs to doubt of that which we are bound to beleeue by faith exhort vs to infidelity The Papists exhort or at least-wise teach us to doubt of our saluation Ergo the Papist exhort vs to infidelity The first proposition of this sillogisme is affirmed by Sess 6. pag. 29. this writer to be plaine The second is the doctrine of the Papists concluded determined in that Tridentine Conuenticle where it is said that they which be truly iustified cannot without all doubt account them-selâ—es to be iustified And againe that no man can know by certainty of faith which is not subiect to error and falsehood that he hath obtained the grace of God And againe Sâ— quis dixerit omni homini c. If any shall say that it is necessary for euery man to the obtaining â—â—id can 73. of remission of sinnes to beleeue certainly and without doubt of their one infirmity and indisposition that their sins be forgiuen them be he accursed But more plainly and pregnantly doe the Doctors of Louaine lay downe this doctrine of doubting Fides qua quis firmiter In articul aduers Luther artic 9. credit certò statuit per Christum sibi remissa esse peccata seque possessurum vitam aeternam nullum habet in Scripuris testimonium imo eisdem aduersatur The faith whereby a man doth firmely beleeue is certainly assured that his sinnes by Christ bee forgiuen him and that hee shall possesse eternall life hath no testimony in the Scripture yea is contrary vnto them Here-vpon I conclude by this writers owne reason that the Papists in mainteining this doctrine of doubting teach infidelity But whereas these Louainian Doctors say that this doctrine of the certainty of forgiuenes of our sinnes by Christ and of our possession of eternall life is not testified in the Scriptures but contrary to them how false this is I referre it to bee tried by these places here following They that trust in the LORD shall bee as mount Sâ—on
doe are infected with deadly sinne and deserue eternall damnation and therefore to be auoided We indeed expound this place not only of wicked hypocrites but also of the regenerate and faithfull and say that all our owne righteousnesse of works is so stained with the corruption of our sinfull nature that it is not able to stand before Gods iudgement seate nor abide his seuere triall and examination For when wee haue Luke 17. 10 done all thâ—se things which are commanded vs wee must say that we are vnprofitable seruants And if thou o Lord streightly Psal 130. 3. markest iniquities O Lord who shall stand and therefore we must pray and say Enter not into iudgement with thy Psal 143. 2 seruant for in thy sight shall none that liueth be iustified And Daniel 9. 8. with Daniel we say O Lord vnto vs appertaineth open shame to our Kings to our Princes to our fathers because wee haue sinned against thee yet compassion and forgiuenes is in the Lord our God Whereupon we acknowledge that our Iustice and righteousnesse consisteth not in the perfection of our vertues but in the forgiuenes of our sinnes Bernard thus expoundeth and applieth the place of Esay Nostra si Bernard de verbis Esaia Serm. 5. qua est humilis iustitia recta forsitan sed non pura nisi forte meliores nos esse credimus quà m patres nostros qui non minus veraciter quà m humiliter aiebant omnes iustitiae nostrae tanquam pannus menstruâ—tae mulieris Quomodo enim pura iustitia vbi adhuc non potest culpa deesse i. Our humble or base iustice if it be any is peraduenture right but not pure vnlesse we beleeue our selues to be better than our Fathers who no lesse truly then humbly said all our righteousnesse is as the cloth of a menstruous woman for how can righteousnesse be pure where sinne as yet wanteh not And againe Sed quid potest esse omnis iustitia nostra coram Deo Nonne iuxta Prophetam velut pannus menstruatae reputabitur si distrâ—ctè iudicetur iâ—iusta inuenietur omnis iustitia nostra i. What can all our iustice be before God Shall it not according to the Prophet bee reputed like the cloth of a menstruous woman and if it be straightly iudged all our iustice shall be found to be vniust How you expound this place I know not belike you satisfying Gods iustice so fully with your owne pure workes that he can aske no more of you as I alleaged before out of Bishop Fisher thinke that this place is not to be vnderstood of you and your iustice which is pure and perfit but of the iustice of Lutherans Caiuinists and such other prophane persons Wherin take you heede that you shew not your selues to be of them whome Christ came not to call who saith I am not come to call the righteous that is to say them that be puffed vp with a vaine and false perswasion of their owne righteousnesse but sinners to repentance And that they whome you disdaine and despise as Publicanes and harlots goe not before you into the Kingdome of God Wee take vpon vs the person of the Publican in acknowledging our owne vilenes and vnworthines and in respect thereof are abashed to lift vp our eyes to heauen but flee in all our workes to Gods mercy and are content that you with the Pharisee glory of your owne workes merits and righteousnes Salamon saith There is a generation that are pure in their owne conceit and yet are not washed from their filthines Now briefly to answere your syllogisme I reason thus No good workes are to bee auoyded but fasting prayer and almes deedes being commanded of God and proceeding from faithfull harts are by our doctrine good works Ergo they are not to bee auoyded but diligently in the feare of God to be vsed of vs but the corruptions of our sinfull nature which creepe into them are to be auoided and resisted and we are to pray vnto God in mercy to pardone them And so we may be assured that as in mercy through Christ hee hath accepted of vs so hee will in like mercy accept our workes as pure and perfect in Christ-Iesus Now I will retort your reason vpon your own head in this sort Euery man is bound vpon paine of eternall damnation to auoide all sinne but fasting praying and almes deedes as they be vsed by Papists to make satisfaction to God for their sinnes and to merite and purchase heauen be sinnes Ergo fasting prayer and almes deedes done in such sort are to be auoided The Minor or second proposition I proue thus He that attributeth that to his workes which is proper and peculiar to Iesus Christ sinneth grieuously but to make satisfaction for our sinnes appertaineth onely to Iesus Christ Ergo hee that attributeth the same to his workes grieuously sinneth But I shall haue occasion here-after more largely to handle this matter therefore now I omit it and so I will also the quotations of Luther Caluine and Melanchthon set in the margent for that they deliuer no other doctrine but that which I haue before declared the which I nothing boubt but it is so sound that it will indure and abide this mans hammer Although I nothing doubt but that this my answer to this article doth seeme sufficient to men that be not of corrupt mind and iudgement and the same is nothing impeached by this addition yet I will for the further stopping of the mouth of this wrangler who therewith chargeth others but to much vseth him-selfe say some-what more to the said article and addition And to lay away shifting euasions and to go directly to the matter I desire the Christian reader to looke to the article and his proofe of the same The Article is that Protestants are bound in conscience to auoyd all good workes his proofe is because all good workes according to the Protestants religion are deadly sinnes The which I haue declared to bee false and to be no doctrine of ours for we teach that as the prophane wicked and vngodly in whome sinne raigneth and doe â— giue vp their members seruants to iniquity are with all their workes abhominable before God so the good workes of the faithfull and regenerate in whome sinne remayneth but raigneth not are in Christ acceptable to GOD and profitable to men But this acceptation and profit commeth not of the purenesse and perfection and merite of our owne workes but in that the spottes and imperfection of them are by Christes righteousnesse couered for his name sake pardoned and in him accepted for pure and perfect For euen as men looking through a glasse be it greene blew or any such other coullor the thing vnder it seemes to bee of the same coullor the glasse is euen so GOD our heauenly Father looking vppon his elect and faithfull people through his Sonne IESVS CHRIST in whome hee is well pleased doth accept and take them with
onely perfection of men to acknowledge themselues to be vnperfect Wherefore lette vs not glory of all integritie but lette vs vnfainedly confesse our owne iniquitie and euen in the best workes we do flee vnto Gods mercy in Christ IESVS who hath loued vs and washed away our sinnes in his owne bloud to whome with the Father and the holy Ghost three persons and one onely God bee all praise laud and glory now and euermore Amen The Pamphlet The Protestants haue either no faith at all or lye most damnably in denying that a man assisted by GODS grace can keepe the Commaundements 3. Article VVHosoeuer knoweth God keepeth his commandements But all true Protestants know God Ergo all true Protestants keepe his commandements The Maior is expresse Scripture qui dicit se nosse deum mandata eius non custodit mendax est in eo veritas non est Hee that saith he knoweth God and keepeth not his commandements is a lyar and truth is not in him The Minor no Protestant doubteth of for this knowledge of God is nothing else but a liuely faith wherewith all zealous Protestants as they say are indewed Hence from manifestly it followeth that either most zealous Protestants lacke a liuely faith and so are Infidels or if they haue a liuely faith and deny that they keep or can keepe Gods commandements they are damnable lyars of they chuse the first they are Pagans Heretikes or Iewes if they take the second they are damnable seducers impostors in religion consequently their faith is false Answere THis Syllogisme according to Saint Iohns meaning is wholy true The Apostles purpose is to shew that the knowledge of GOD in the faithfull ought not to bee idle but effectuall and fruitfull in godlinesse and holy obedience working a care and conscience in them to keepe Gods holy commaundements by dilligent endeuouring both to auoid all wickednesse which he forbiddeth and to yeelde that holy obedience which hee requireth The which they that do not but liue prophanely wallowing in wickednesse and committing vngodlinesse with greedinesse and yet make a profession of the knowledge of God as too many do their profession and knowledge is in vaine For as Saint Iames saith if any seeme religious â—am 1. 16. and refraineth not hâ—s â—ongue but deceiueth his owne heart that mans reliâ—ion is in vaine So if any seeme to haue the knowledge of God and liueth loosely and wickedly hauing no care to frame his life to the obedience of Gods commandements his religion profession and knowledge is in vaine For not euery one that saith vnto me Lord Lord Math. 7. 21. shal enter into the kingdome of heauen but he that doth my fathers will which is in heauen But your meaning is that by keeking of Gods commandements is vnderstood an absolute and perfect fulfilling of them in yeelding without any transgression at all that ful and perfect rightecusnes which God commandeth The which neuer did any man 1. Peter 2. yeeâ—d but onely the man Iesuc Christ who neuer did sinne and in whose mouth was neuer guile This your doctrine of the perfect fulfilling of Gods law in this life is false and you in maintaining of it shew your selues to be blind and proud Pharisies not knowing either the perfect righteousnes of God nor the corruption of our nature against the which I reason thus Whosoeuer sinneth transgresseth and breaketh Gods lawes and commaundements but all men doe sinne Therefore all men transgresse and breake Gods lawes and commaundements The first proposition is manifest for S. Iohn saith sinne is the transgression of 1. Iohn 3. 4. the law The second proposition cannot with any face bee denied Salomon saith there is no man that sinneth not Saint 1. King 8 46. Rom 3. 23. Iames â— 2. 1. Iohn 4. 8. Paul saith all haue sinned and are depriued of the glorie of God Saint Iames saith in many things we sinne all Saint Iohn saith â—f we say that we haue no sinne we deceiue our selues the truth is not in vs. Moreouer S. Paul saith as many as are Galat. 3. 10. of the workes of the law are vnder the cursse for it is written Cursed is euery one that continueth not in al things which are written in the booke of the law to do them Where Saint Paul doth reason after this sort Whosoeuer doth not continue to doe all that is written in the booke of the law are vnder the cursse but there is none that continueth to doe all that is written in the booke of the law Ergo there is none but is vnder the curse The first proposition Saint Paul proueth by a place of the law Deut. 27. The second Saint Paul taketh as a thing graunted and not to bee denyed that there is no man which continueth to doe all that is written in the booke of the law to do it the which if it be not graunted Saint Paules argument is nothing worth for it might be said that some doe fulfill the law of God and therefore are not vnder the curse So that which seemed to Saint Paul absurd to be denied is now denied by these absurd and blind Pharisies Furthermore Saint Paul saith That which was impossible to the law in as much as it was Rom. 8 3. made weake because of the flesh God sending his owne sonne in the similitude of sinful flesh and for sinne hath condemned sinne in the flâ—sh Doth not S. Paul here shew that whereas wee could not be saued by the law God hath sent his sonne in the flesh to saue vs And he declareth why we could not be saued by the lawe because the weakenes of our sinfull flesh is not able to yeeld that perfect righteousnes which the law of God requireth the which if we could doe we should liue therby For God saith which if a man doe he shall Ezech. 20. â—1 liue in them And that euen they that are regenerate with Gods spirit doe not perfectly fulfill the law and keepe Gods commaundements it is most euident by Saint Pauls confession of himselfe I am carnal sold vnder sinne I allow Rom. 7. 14. not that which I doe for that I would I doe not but what I hate that I doe It is no more I that doe it but sinne that dwelleth in me For I know that in me that is in my flesh dwelleth no good thing for to will is present with me But I find no meanes to performe that which is good For I doe not the good thing which I would but the euil which I would not that dâ—eâ— I finde that wheÌ„ I would doe good euil is present with me I see another law in my members rebelling against the law of my minde leading me captiue to the law of sinne which is in my members O wretched man that I am who shall deliuer me from this body of death If S. Paul that elect vessell of God which was taken Act. 9. 15. 2. Cor
vrbanos mores in populo Christiano adeo à iustitiae tramite declinasse quod diuinam non cessant irritare prouocare vindictam The religion faith and ciuill manners of all estates and sexes which with great griefe I declare is so declined from iustice that they cease not to prouoke the vengeance of God Againe Nulla inter nos concordia nulla obedientia est neque spirituali Epist 39â— neque temporali paremus capiti Iacet spreta religio iustitiae nullus honos fides pene incognita There is neither concord nor obedience Wee obey neither the spirituall nor temporall head Religion lieth despised righteousnesse not honoured faith is in a manner vnknowne Platina who was the Popes Secretarie and liued at the same time in many places greatly complaineth of the horrible corruption of life both in the Priests and people in those daies Quanta sit auaritia sacerdotum c. How Platina in Marcell 1 great couetousnesse of Priests and especially of those that bee in chiefest authoritie how great leachery how great ambition and pompe how great pride and idlenesse how great ignorance both of themselues and of Christian doctrine how little religion and the same rather fained then true how corrupt manners to bee detested in prophane and secular men I neede not declare when they them-selues doe so openly sinne as though they sought praise thereby Beleeue me the Turke a more cruell enemy of Christianity then Diocletian or Maximinian will come I would I might be a false prophet and euen now knocketh at the gates of Italy The like complaints hee hath in many other places in Dionysio 1. in Bonifacio 5. in Stephan 3. in Gregorio 4. c. Petrus de Aliaco a Cardinall of Rome in his treatise Petr. de Aliaco Carâ—â— n â—asc â—â—rum 〈◊〉 ac fugiend Coloâ—â—ae excus Aâ—no â—535 fol. 207. concerning the reformation of the Church exhibited to the councell of Constance Anno 1415. hath these words Adhibenda â—sset correctio crica mores ecclesiasticorum quâ— iam nimis prohâ—dâ—lor sunt corrupti ira gula luxuria pompa prodigalitate otio aliis generibus quod cedit in graue laâ—corum scandalum A reformation were to be had about the manners of Ecclesiasticall persons who now which is greatly to be lamented be so much corrupted by anger gluttony riot or vncleanenes by pompe prodigality idlenes and other kinds of vices which redoundeth to the great scandall and offence of lay men That noble and learned Earle of Mirandula in his Oration to Pope Leo the tenth and the Councell of Laterane concerning the reformation of manners hath these words Apud plaerosque religionis nostrae Ibidem 209. primores ad quorum exemplum componi atque formari plebs ignara debuisset aut nullus aut cerâ—e exigâ—us Dei cultus nulla bene viuendâ— ratio atque instiâ—uâ—io nullus pudor nulla modestia iustitia vel in odium vel in gratiaÌ„ declmauit pietas in superstitionâ— pene procubuit palamque omnibus in hominum â—rdâ—â—bus peccatur sic vt saepenumero virtus probis vâ—râ—s â—itio vertatur vitia loco virtutum honorari soleant c. Wâ—th most of the chiefe of our religon to whose example the ignorant people should conforme their liues there is either no worship of God or surely very little no manner nor order of good life no shamefastnes no modesty iustice is turned either into hatred or into fauour godlines in a manner into superstition All sorts of men doe so openly sinne that oftentimes vertue is made a reproch in good men and vices be honoured in place of vertues c. The learned reader may there reade of other horrible sinnes that then raigned which I am ashamed to vtter If I should set downe many other complaints of the horrible and vniuersall wickednesse that raigned in Popery I should be too tedious I will end it with the complaint of one Bredenbachius who was Deane of the Church of Mentz in Germany in the time of Charles the 4. about Anno 1370. in these words Recessit lex à sacerdotibus c. The law is departed Berdâ—nbach in suae pâ—â—igrinationis historia from Priests iustice from Princes councel from the Elders faithfulnes from the people loue from parents reuerence from subiects charity from Prelates religion from Monkes honesty from yong men discipline from Clerkes learning from teachers study from schollers equity from iudges concord from Citizens feare from seruants fellowshippe from Countrimen truth from Marchants virtue from noblemen chastity from Virgins humility from widowes loue from the married and patience from the poore O times O maners most troublesome and miserable times reprobate and wicked maners both in Clergie and of the people Although this which I haue alleaged do sufficiently shew what great wickednes abounded in the daies of darkenes when Popery most florished yet because this man so much exagitateth our dissolution and glorieth of their deuotion I will further shew what effects and fruits their Pope-Holy deuotion hath brought forth by declaring what murthers and mischieues haue beene committed in the Church and in the time of their Masse and other seruice wherein I will not stand to obserue precisely the order of time but will take them as they come pag 185 Anno 889. Pag 222. Circa An 1076. Pag. â—69 Anno. 1123. to hand Arn. Bishop of Wirtzburg in Saxonie was killed in the time of Masse as writeth the Abbat of Vrsperge in his cronicle He also declareth how Centius a citizen of Rome with the fauorers of Henry Emperour pulled Gregorie the Pope from the Altar as hee was saying Masse earely in the morning vpon the feast of CHRISTS natiuity sore wounded him and put him in prison The same Author sheweth how a Monke of an Abbey which Dretericus Bishoppe of Sâ—cens had built and founded being admonished and rebuked of him for his wicked life stabed with a knife the said Bishoppe as he was praying before the alter whereof hee died three daies after Mathew Parys a Monke of Saint Albons writeth that where as the Emperor Conradus kept Whitsontide in a certaine citty of Germany and was vpon Whitsunday in In Stephano pag. 113. cirâ—a annum 1033. the Church at diuine seruice there arose by the instigation of the deuill a contention betweene the Bishoppes and Prelates who should sit highest and neerest to the Emperor About which while they were brauling there seruants came with swords and clubs pulling some out of their places and setting others in the same casting about there Miters and breaking their Crosier staues and shedding much bloud in the Church Of the like tragicall sturres twise repeated in the daies of the foresaid Emperors sonne called Henry the third writeth Lambâ—rtus Schâ—fnaburgeâ—sis in these words Rex natalem Domini Goslarea celebrauit c. The King kept the feast of the natiuity of our Lord at Goslare where vpon the same day whilest fol 177. Anno. 1063. the
it most euidently appeareth that blessing and thankesgiuing is all one thing And yet this is more manifest For whereas Saint Matthew and Saint Marke say as is before declared that our Sauiour when hee tooke bread blessed Saint Luke Luke â—2 19. 1 Cor. 10 24. â— Cor. 14. 16. and Saint Paul say hee gaue thankes Hereunto also pertaineth that plaine place of Saint Paul When thâ—â— blessest in the spiâ—it how shall hee that occupieth the place of the vnlearned say Amen to thy giuing of thankes seeing hee knoweth not what thou sayest Who is so blinde and so ignorant that heere seeth not blessing and thankesgiuing to be all one thing And therefore againe I say that by blessing is not here meant a secret whispering of fiue words to the conuerting of the substance of bread and wine into Christs body and blood as Priests foolishly vse and falsly teach but a thankesgiuing to GOD for so louing vs that hee hath giuen his onely begotten Iohn 3. 26. Sonne for vs that as many as beleeue in him shall not perish but haue euerlasting life For the which cause this Sacrament is of the ancient fathers called Eucharistia that is to say thankesgiuing As touching the breaking of bread which mâ—y resemble to vs the breaking of Christs body vpon the Crosse wee doe follow our Sauiour Christ therein and doe breake it when we distribâ—â—e it vnto the people the which the Papistes doe not but thrust in a whole vnbroken wafer into their mouthes Indeed I know that the Priest himselfe doth in his Masse breake his hoste into three parts One to signifie the Saints in heauen another the faithfull vpon the earth the third the soules in Purgatory But this deep diuâ—nity they haue found vpon the back side of the Bible But because this Gentlewoman or author of this scrole vrgeth eagerly the breaking of bread I would faine know what the Priest doth breake when he breaketh his Hosâ—e as they call it into three parts First hee breaketh not by their doctrine the substance of bread for they say there is none remaining to say that they breake Christs body wre blasphemy although it pleased that holy Pope Nicholas with his Councell to prescribe that godly and learned man Berengarius in his De consecra dist 2 â—go Berengariuâ— recantation to affirme the body of Christ Manibus Sacerdotum tractari frangi fidelium denâ—â—bus atterâ— i. To be handled with the Priests hands to be broken and torne with the teeth of the faithfull And to say they breake accidents without a substance were folly or rather madnesse These things before being considered let the indifferent reader vprightly consider how truely this Catholike Gentlewoman saith that we obserue none of these Now it followeth in the sayd paper The truth of the Catholike religion and of euery part thereof is proued euidently by the testimony and consent of all writers in all ages since Christ and his Apostles As for example the Real presence of Christ in the Sacrament the Sacrifice of the masse Purgatorie Prayer for the dead Prayers to Saints the vse of Images the signe of the Crosse Pilgrimage to holy Places and the rest now in controuersie Answere HEere bee things as boldly affirmed as they bee barely proued or rather cleane omitted and therefore they might without further proofe as well bee denied of mee as they bee affirmed of them And although I minde not long to stand vpon these particular poynts yet I will not let them goe so nakedly as they do but will somewhat touch them But heere let the Christian reader consider and marke that whereas this Catholike Gentlewoman saith that the truth of their Catholike religion and euery part thereof is prooued euidently by the testimonies of all writers in all ages since Christ and his Apostles they seeme to exclude from this proofe the Law and the Prophets the Gospell of our Sauiour Christ and the writings of the Apostles contained in the canonicall Scriptures For if they had meant otherwise they would haue sayd that the truth of the Catholike religion and euery part thereof is proued euidently by the testimony of the holy Scriptures and of all writers in all ages since Christ and his Apostles Therefore if their meaning bee as their words seeme to import to exclude from this proofe the canonicall Scriptures then they exclude the onely true triall of Christian religion for if the holy Scriptures Caâ—s 8. quest Nec suffâ— â—erâ— bee the onely rule of our faith and life as Beda saith in these words before alledged Nobis sacris literis vnica est credendi pariter viuendi regula praescripta i. The onely rule both of faith and life is prescribed vnto vs in the holy Scriptures then in the proofe of Christian religion we ought not to exclude them but chiefely yea onely to admit them And if Saint Aug. de natu â— grat cap. 60. Augustine doe truely say that wee ought without refusâ—ll to giue our consent onely to the Canonicall Scriptures then surely wee ought to trie and examine all matters by them Therefore I may say vnto you with the same Saint Augustine Auferantur ergo De vâ—itat Eccle cap. 2. c. Let these things bee taken away which wee recite and bring one against another not out of the holy Canonicall bookes but from else where And so let vs trie these points of your Catholike Religion by the holy Canonicall Scriptures the testimony whereof is sufficient and all other testimonies without the same bee of no force so saith the same Saint Agustine Qui diuina testimonia non sequuntur c. Arg. Epist 50. i. They that follow not the diuine testimonies haue lost the waight of mans testimonie Therefore I conclude this point with the same Saint Augustine Non audiâ—mus c. i. Let vs not heare This say I This sayest thou but Aug. de vnitat Eccles cap. 3. let vs heare This saith the Lord. There bee the Lords books whose authority we both consent vnto we both beleeue and wee both obey there let vs seeâ—ke the Church there let vs discusse our cause Bring then plaine proofes out of the holy Canonicall Scriptures for those your catholike points of Religion and I will yeeld And without them whatsoeuer testimonies you bring else where you shall nothing preuaile Well saith Saint Ierome Omne quod loquimur debemus affirmare Hier. in Psalm 98. de Scripturis sacris i. Whatsoeuer wee speake wee ought to affirme or proue it out of the holy Scriptures Idem ad Titum And againe Sine authoritate Scripturarum garrulitas non habet fidem i. Without the authority of the Scriptures pratling hath no credit Now to come to your particular points As touching your Real presence of Christ in the Sacrament if you meane thereby not a Real presence of Christ to the faith of the godly and worthy receiuer whereby wee affirme and beleeue that hee doth