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iniquitas_fw-la iniquity_n be_v redeem_v with_o mercy_n &_o verityâ—_n spesalui_fw-la facti_fw-la sumus_fw-la 8._o we_o be_v save_v by_o hope_n baptisma_fw-la vos_fw-la saluos_fw-la facit_fw-la baptism_n save_v you_o saluos_fw-la nos_fw-la fecit_fw-la per_fw-la lavachrum_fw-la regenerationis_fw-la 3._o he_o have_v save_v we_o by_o the_o water_n of_o regeneration_n 2._o operamini_fw-la salutem_fw-la work_v your_o salvation_n and_o the_o like_a in_o diverse_a other_o place_n may_v he_o not_o i_o say_v cavil_v as_o well_o against_o these_o speech_n as_o against_o the_o other_o in_o s._n ambrose_n yes_o true_o christ._n 22._o for_o the_o reason_n be_v all_o one_o in_o both_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n precious_a blood_n and_o death_n be_v presuppose_v and_o necessary_o understand_v as_o well_o in_o the_o one_o as_o in_o the_o other_o and_o as_o baptism_n and_o hope_n be_v special_a mean_n to_o apply_v unto_o we_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n passion_n in_o 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the_o same_o be_v to_o be_v extend_v to_o the_o new_a law_n as_o well_o may_v he_o say_v that_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o observe_v the_o whole_a law_n and_o so_o prove_v himself_o a_o jew_n &_o evacuate_v the_o law_n of_o christ_n as_o saint_n paul_n argue_v against_o 5._o those_o that_o maintain_v the_o use_n of_o circumcision_n together_o with_o the_o faith_n of_o christ._n 27._o nevertheless_o i_o say_v not_o this_o to_o exclude_v all_o manner_n of_o argument_n moses_n or_o inference_n draw_v from_o the_o old_a law_n to_o the_o new_a that_o the_o same_o remain_n within_o the_o limit_n of_o probability_n as_o from_o the_o figure_n to_o the_o verity_n which_o admit_v many_o limitation_n and_o exception_n but_o to_o exclude_v the_o obligation_n of_o all_o precept_n either_o ceremonial_a 16._o or_o judicial_a which_o do_v not_o in_o any_o sort_n bind_v we_o now_o as_o i_o have_v show_v in_o the_o first_o chapter_n of_o this_o adjoinder_n and_o therefore_o whereas_o m._n andrews_n say_v here_o cum_fw-la praeceptum_fw-la acceperimus_fw-la in_o lege_fw-la disertis_fw-la verbis_fw-la etc._n etc._n see_v we_o have_v receive_v a_o precept_n in_o the_o law_n in_o express_a word_n etc._n etc._n jew._n i_o say_v to_o he_o that_o see_v this_o precept_n do_v undouted_o belong_v to_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n and_o concern_v only_o the_o manner_n of_o worship_n to_o be_v do_v to_o god_n by_o sacrifice_n he_o show_v himself_o a_o flat_a jew_n in_o say_v that_o we_o christian_n have_v receive_v this_o precept_n in_o the_o law_n 28._o furthermore_o he_o be_v to_o understand_v that_o albeit_o we_o shall_v grant_v that_o nothing_o can_v be_v practise_v or_o teach_v in_o the_o new_a law_n without_o some_o precept_n or_o doctrine_n thereof_o deliver_v by_o our_o saviour_n christ_n unto_o his_o church_n yet_o he_o can_v gain_v nothing_o thereby_o except_o he_o can_v also_o prove_v that_o all_o our_o saviour_n precept_n and_o doctrine_n be_v express_o set_v down_o in_o scripture_n which_o neither_o he_o nor_o any_o of_o his_o fellow_n have_v be_v able_a yet_o to_o prove_v or_o ever_o shall_v be_v it_o be_v evident_a that_o our_o saviour_n neither_o command_v any_o thing_n at_o all_o to_o be_v write_v but_o to_o be_v preach_v and_o teach_v say_v praedicate_fw-la evangelium_fw-la etc._n etc._n preach_v the_o gospel_n to_o every_o creature_n and_o again_o docete_fw-la omnes_fw-la gentes_fw-la etc._n etc._n teach_v all_o nation_n 28._o baptise_v they_o &c._n &c._n neither_o do_v the_o apostle_n either_o write_v any_o thing_n of_o diverse_a year_n after_o christ_n ascension_n or_o when_o they_o write_v deliver_v all_o christ_n doctrine_n and_o their_o own_o by_o writing_n 2._o but_o very_o many_o thing_n by_o tradition_n in_o which_o respect_n the_o apostle_n himself_o say_v tenete_fw-la traditiones_fw-la quas_fw-la accepistis_fw-la sive_fw-la per_fw-la sermonem_fw-la sive_fw-la per._n epistolam_fw-la nostram_fw-la hold_v the_o tradition_n which_o you_o have_v receive_v either_o by_o word_n or_o by_o our_o epistle_n by_o which_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n the_o ancient_a father_n namely_o 2._o s._n chrysostome_n 61_o s._n epiphanius_n 29._o s._n basil_n s._n john_n 17_o damascen_n 2._o oecumenius_n theophilactus_fw-la and_o the_o 8._o general_n 1._o council_n do_v prove_v the_o necessary_a use_n of_o unwritten_a tradition_n in_o the_o church_n and_o among_o the_o rest_n s_o chrysostome_n say_v hinc_fw-la patet_fw-la etc._n etc._n hereby_o it_o be_v manife_a that_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o deliver_v all_o thing_n by_o epistle_n but_o many_o thing_n without_o writing_n eadem_fw-la fide_fw-la digna_fw-la sunt_fw-la tam_fw-la illa_fw-la quam_fw-la ista_fw-la as_o well_o those_o thing_n as_o these_o be_v worthy_a of_o the_o same_o credit_n rule_n 29._o for_o this_o cause_n s._n augustine_n give_v this_o general_a rule_n that_o whatsoever_o the_o whole_a church_n retain_v whereof_o the_o beginning_n can_v be_v deduce_v either_o from_o the_o scripture_n or_o general_n counsel_n or_o some_o late_a institution_n the_o same_o be_v undouted_o deliver_v by_o the_o apostle_n and_o this_o he_o urge_v 23._o very_o often_o as_o a_o most_o assure_a ground_n and_o principle_n against_o the_o donatist_n and_o for_o the_o same_o reason_n not_o only_o he_o but_o also_o all_o other_o father_n teach_v that_o the_o general_a custom_n of_o the_o church_n be_v a_o infallible_a and_o evident_a proof_n of_o the_o truth_n in_o any_o controversy_n in_o so_o much_o that_o he_o affirm_v it_o to_o be_v insolentissimae_fw-la insaniae_fw-la a_o point_n of_o most_o insolent_a madness_n to_o dispute_v or_o doubt_v of_o it_o as_o i_o have_v declare_v in_o the_o last_o chapter_n which_o i_o wish_v m._n andrews_n well_o to_o observe_v as_o also_o the_o other_o testimony_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n produce_v there_o concern_v this_o point_n 49._o 30._o now_o then_o hereupon_o i_o conclude_v two_o thing_n the_o one_o that_o m._n andrews_n who_o as_o he_o say_v dare_v do_v nothing_o without_o a_o write_a precept_n may_v lay_v away_o his_o scruple_n in_o matter_n that_o be_v general_o practise_v by_o the_o church_n the_o other_o that_o see_v it_o be_v evident_a by_o these_o testimony_n of_o so_o many_o holy_a and_o learned_a father_n as_o have_v be_v here_o allege_v that_o the_o whole_a church_n in_o their_o day_n practise_v prayer_n to_o saint_n as_o a_o thing_n most_o beneficial_a to_o man_n and_o honourable_a to_o god_n and_o that_o they_o acknowledge_v the_o evident_a and_o miraculous_a benefit_n that_o grow_v to_o man_n thereby_o yea_o urge_v the_o same_o against_o the_o very_a gentill_n and_o paynim_n as_o invincible_a argument_n of_o the_o divinity_n of_o christ_n and_o of_o the_o verity_n of_o christian_a religion_n and_o see_v also_o that_o this_o practice_n custom_n and_o belief_n be_v then_o general_a when_o christian_a religion_n most_o flourish_v i_o mean_v in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o 4._o first_o general_n counsel_n and_o when_o the_o church_n abound_v most_o with_o famous_a doctor_n pastor_n and_o father_n it_o must_v needs_o be_v grant_v that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o prayer_n to_o saint_n be_v a_o irrefragable_a verity_n and_o that_o according_a to_o s._n augustine_n censure_n it_o be_v no_o less_o than_o insolent_a madness_n in_o m._n andrew_n to_o call_v it_o in_o question_n man_n and_o much_o more_o to_o impugn_v it_o with_o such_o frivolous_a reason_n as_o he_o do_v and_o especial_o with_o a_o ceremonial_a precept_n of_o the_o mosaycall_a law_n as_o if_o he_o be_v a_o jew_n and_o not_o a_o christian_a see_v that_o he_o acknowledge_v himself_o to_o have_v receive_v a_o precept_n thereby_o disertis_fw-la verbis_fw-la in_o express_a word_n which_o i_o think_v no_o good_a christian_n will_v say_v of_o any_o precept_n atque_fw-la belong_v to_o the_o ceremonial_a or_o judicial_a law_n 31._o but_o m._n andrews_n go_v yet_o further_o and_o exact_v at_o least_o some_o example_n of_o it_o in_o the_o scripture_n edition_n if_o there_o be_v no_o precept_n whereto_o s._n augustine_n answer_v sufficient_o when_o he_o say_v to_o a_o donatist_n who_o make_v the_o like_a demand_n about_o the_o rebaptisation_n of_o such_o as_o be_v baptize_v by_o heretic_n that_o see_v there_o be_v no_o example_n or_o express_v mention_n of_o it_o in_o scripture_n and_o that_o christ_n have_v clear_o and_o express_o recommend_v unto_o we_o the_o authority_n of_o his_o universal_a church_n disperse_v thoughout_n the_o world_n the_o testimony_n and_o custom_n of_o that_o church_n be_v to_o be_v admit_v and_o embrace_v and_o whosoever_o reject_v or_o resist_v the_o same_o 33._o do_v most_o pernicious_o resist_v our_o saviour_n himself_o against_o his_o own_o salvation_n thus_o say_v s._n augustine_n in_o substance_n though_o much_o more_o ample_o who_o also_o speak_v elsewhere_o of_o the_o same_o point_n give_v this_o notable_a and_o general_a rule_n that_o for_o as_o much_o as_o the_o holy_a scripture_n do_v undoubted_o recommend_v unto_o we_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n etiam_fw-la in_o hac_fw-la re_fw-la à _fw-la nobis_fw-la tenetur_fw-la scripturarum_fw-la veritas_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o veriâ—y_n of_o scripture_n be_v retain_v by_o we_o in_o this_o point_n when_o we_o do_v that_o which_o have_v already_o please_v the_o whole_a church_n so_o he_o and_o so_o say_v i_o to_o m._n andrews_n in_o this_o our_o case_n to_o wit_n that_o see_v it_o be_v evident_a by_o the_o testimony_n of_o all_o antiquity_n that_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v general_o admit_v and_o practise_v by_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o from_o thence_o have_v descend_v to_o our_o time_n there_o need_v no_o example_n of_o it_o in_o scripture_n because_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n which_o the_o scripture_n do_v express_o recommend_v unto_o we_o suffice_v to_o warrant_v the_o same_o scripture_n 32._o and_o true_o it_o may_v seem_v strange_a that_o m._n andrews_n or_o any_o of_o his_o fellow_n of_o the_o english_a clergy_n do_v
also_o in_o the_o same_o time_n treat_v of_o the_o perfection_n of_o religious_a man_n and_o have_v say_v that_o inestimable_a glory_n in_o heaven_n be_v promise_v they_o if_o they_o keep_v their_o rule_n and_o most_o grievous_a pain_n prepare_v for_o they_o if_o they_o neglect_v they_o conclude_v melius_a enim_fw-la etc._n etc._n for_o it_o be_v better_a according_a to_o the_o sentence_n of_o the_o scripture_n not_o to_o vow_v then_o to_o vow_n and_o not_o to_o perform_v it_o thus_o say_v cassianus_n to_o who_o i_o may_v add_v many_o other_o witness_n 13._o but_o that_o it_o be_v needless_a see_v these_o may_v suffice_v to_o show_v m._n andrews_n allow_v as_o he_o do_v the_o institut_n of_o the_o monk_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n must_v needs_o admit_v &_o allow_v religious_a vow_n of_o poverty_n chastity_n &_o obedience_n whereto_o all_o religious_a man_n be_v and_o ever_o have_v be_v bind_v by_o their_o institutes_n 24._o so_o as_o it_o be_v clear_a by_o all_o this_o that_o in_o this_o one_o point_n he_o have_v grant_v diverse_a important_a point_n of_o catholic_a religion_n yea_o and_o utter_o condemn_v his_o own_o which_o deny_v and_o impugn_v all_o those_o thing_n practise_v in_o monastical_a life_n according_a to_o the_o first_o institutes_n thereof_o beside_o that_o it_o also_o follow_v thereon_o that_o his_o religion_n be_v utter_o void_a of_o all_o christian_n perfection_n which_o special_o consist_v in_o the_o true_a imitation_n of_o christ_n life_n by_o the_o observation_n of_o the_o evangelicall_a counsel_n profess_v and_o practise_v in_o religious_a discipline_n for_o which_o cause_n all_o the_o ancient_a father_n place_v the_o high_a perfection_n of_o christian_n religion_n therein_o as_o i_o have_v evident_o show_v in_o any_o supplement_n by_o the_o clear_a testimony_n of_o s._n dionysius_n areopagita_n 60._o eusebius_n s._n gregory_n nazianzen_n s._n basil_n s._n chrisostome_n s._n hierome_n s._n augustin_n sozomenus_n &_o s._n bernard_n 25._o therefore_o it_o little_a import_v for_o the_o matter_n in_o hand_n what_o he_o iangle_v against_o monk_n for_o put_v the_o case_n it_o be_v true_a that_o they_o be_v all_o degenerate_v from_o their_o first_o institute_n as_o it_o be_v most_o false_a and_o affirm_v by_o he_o without_o any_o proof_n and_o therefore_o to_o be_v answer_v with_o a_o bare_a denial_n yet_o it_o suffice_v for_o the_o proof_n of_o that_o which_o i_o have_v here_o undertake_v religion_n that_o the_o say_v institut_n consist_v in_o the_o practice_n of_o many_o notable_a and_o important_a point_n of_o catholic_a religion_n and_o that_o he_o have_v by_o a_o evident_a consequent_a grant_v and_o approve_v the_o say_v point_n together_o with_o the_o institut_n against_o the_o current_n of_o the_o doctrine_n and_o profession_n of_o all_o his_o fellow_n in_o which_o respect_n i_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o trouble_v thou_o good_a reader_n with_o any_o answer_n to_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o impertinent_a discourse_n and_o namely_o to_o his_o frivolous_a stale_a objection_n concern_v the_o idleness_n of_o monk_n seq_n answer_v full_o long_a since_o by_o divers_a catholic_n and_o namely_o by_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n in_o his_o controversy_n whereto_o i_o remit_v he_o because_o i_o be_o force_v to_o haste_v to_o a_o end_n for_o otherwise_o true_o i_o will_v not_o only_o say_v somewhat_o thereto_o but_o also_o i_o will_v examine_v and_o debate_n with_o he_o 2._o or_o 3._o other_o point_n which_o he_o touch_v and_o especial_o what_o be_v the_o true_a cause_n why_o monastical_a profession_n be_v first_o abrogate_a among_o the_o protestant_n and_o why_o they_o pretend_v to_o reform_v the_o church_n in_o these_o our_o day_n do_v rather_o quite_o abolish_v the_o institute_n of_o monk_n they_o seek_v to_o restore_v it_o to_o the_o first_o integrity_n if_o it_o be_v good_a at_o the_o first_o and_o only_o fall_v to_o decay_v and_o corruption_n as_o he_o signify_v 26._o for_o whereas_o he_o seem_v to_o give_v two_o cause_n thereof_o the_o one_o that_o monk_n be_v grow_v to_o be_v idle_a and_o the_o other_o that_o their_o idleness_n be_v turn_v to_o licentiousness_n if_o that_o be_v true_a those_o reformer_n shall_v rather_o have_v seek_v to_o redress_v the_o abuse_n and_o to_o reduce_v the_o monk_n to_o their_o first_o rule_n then_o to_o antiquate_v the_o whole_a institute_n which_o be_v ground_v upon_o the_o holy_a scripture_n the_o express_a counsel_n of_o our_o saviour_n and_o the_o example_n of_o his_o life_n be_v ordain_v 59.60_o by_o the_o apostle_n as_o i_o have_v show_v in_o my_o supplement_n and_o do_v conteyn_a in_o it_o all_o true_a christian_a perfection_n according_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o all_o the_o father_n in_o which_o respect_n it_o can_v not_o by_o any_o humane_a authority_n be_v lawful_o abrogate_a and_o take_v quite_o out_o of_o the_o church_n beside_o that_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o ringleader_n in_o that_o pretend_a reformation_n i_o mean_v luther_n oecolâ—mpadius_n bucer_n peter_n martyr_n ochinus_n michonius_n menius_n musculus_fw-la pelicanus_n pomeranus_n and_o munsterus_n be_v all_o of_o they_o votary_n that_o be_v to_o say_v monk_n friar_n and_o religious_a man_n abolish_v the_o institutes_n of_o monastical_a life_n only_o because_o they_o themselves_o be_v so_o transport_v with_o the_o fury_n of_o lust_n and_o sensuality_n that_o they_o can_v no_o long_o endure_v the_o restraint_n thereof_o in_o religious_a discipline_n 27._o and_o therefore_o they_o resolve_v not_o only_o to_o teach_v most_o beastly_a and_o fleshly_a doctrine_n tend_v to_o all_o liberty_n of_o the_o flesh_n as_o that_o it_o matrimo_fw-la be_v no_o more_o possible_a to_o live_v chaste_a then_o to_o live_v without_o meat_n that_o 119._o if_o the_o wife_n will_v not_o come_v let_v the_o maid_n come_v that_o polygamy_n or_o the_o have_v of_o many_o wife_n at_o once_o be_v 11._o not_o forbid_v in_o the_o new_a law_n yea_o and_o that_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a 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before_o in_o the_o 6._o chapter_n 66._o whereupon_o i_o conclude_v that_o this_o doctrine_n of_o prayer_n to_o saint_n beâ—ing_v approve_v &_o practise_v by_o so_o many_o learned_a father_n of_o the_o 4._o and_o 5._o age_n it_o must_v needs_o be_v admit_v for_o a_o infallible_a truth_n 66._o tum_o yea_o but_o say_v m._n andrews_n there_o be_v no_o uniform_a consent_n of_o father_n in_o this_o point_n for_o alij_fw-la say_v he_o non_fw-la pauci_fw-la sunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n there_o be_v not_o a_o few_o other_o who_o have_v right_a of_o suffrage_n or_o voice_n herein_o omit_v by_o the_o cardinal_n so_o he_o wherein_o i_o doubt_v not_o good_a reader_n but_o thou_o see_v how_o absurd_o he_o cavil_v and_o tryfle_v for_o may_v not_o the_o verdict_n of_o a_o whole_a jury_n of_o father_n allege_v by_o the_o cardinal_n tyme._n and_o not_o contradict_v by_o any_o suffice_v to_o show_v a_o general_a and_o uniform_a consent_n of_o the_o church_n in_o their_o time_n and_o will_v not_o m._n andrews_n acknowledge_v a_o uniform_a consent_n in_o the_o father_n without_o a_o particular_a testimony_n of_o every_o one_o of_o they_o do_v he_o suppose_v that_o every_o one_o of_o they_o have_v write_v of_o all_o point_n of_o religion_n and_o if_o they_o have_v not_o whereof_o there_o be_v no_o doubt_n shall_v the_o silence_n of_o some_o prejudice_n the_o clear_a testimony_n of_o other_o so_o shall_v we_o prove_v little_a or_o nothing_o at_o all_o by_o the_o father_n for_o there_o be_v but_o very_o few_o point_n of_o religiâ—on_n whereof_o every_o one_o of_o they_o have_v have_v occasion_n to_o write_v 67._o but_o will_v m._n andrews_n &_o his_o fellow_n be_v content_a that_o we_o exact_v the_o like_a of_o they_o when_o they_o allege_v the_o father_n 33._o as_o for_o example_n the_o bishop_n in_o their_o canon_n before_o mention_v concern_v the_o use_n of_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n fellow_n do_v affirm_v that_o they_o follow_v therein_o the_o judgement_n of_o all_o the_o father_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n but_o can_v they_o show_v trow_v you_o that_o every_o father_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n yea_o or_o the_o great_a part_n of_o they_o do_v particular_o speak_v of_o that_o ceremony_n sure_o i_o be_o they_o can_v show_v it_o for_o albeit_o diverse_a very_a ancient_a and_o holy_a father_n do_v treat_v thereof_o and_o high_o approve_v it_o yet_o many_o other_o be_v utter_o silent_a concern_v the_o same_o nevertheless_o for_o as_o much_o as_o those_o that_o approve_v it_o be_v not_o contradict_v by_o any_o of_o the_o rest_n their_o testimony_n may_v well_o be_v take_v for_o the_o uniform_a consent_n of_o all_o or_o true_o otherwise_o my_o lord_n bishop_n will_v not_o be_v able_a to_o justify_v their_o assertion_n and_o prove_v that_o they_o follow_v the_o judgement_n of_o all_o the_o father_n in_o that_o point_n therefore_o this_o exception_n of_o m._n andrew_n be_v very_o ridiculous_a except_o he_o can_v show_v that_o those_o father_n who_o the_o cardinal_n omit_v have_v contradict_v the_o testimony_n of_o the_o other_o but_o this_o you_o see_v he_o have_v not_o be_v able_a to_o do_v though_o he_o have_v do_v his_o best_a endeavour_n thereto_o with_o shame_n enough_o to_o himself_o and_o his_o cause_n father_n 68_o s._n augustine_n write_v against_o julian_n the_o pelagian_n about_o original_a sin_n and_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n think_v the_o testimony_n of_o 6._o father_n sufficient_a to_o convince_v he_o though_o fyve_o of_o they_o be_v of_o the_o same_o time_n and_o age_n wherein_o he_o himself_o live_v for_o whereas_o the_o pelagian_n false_o pretend_v that_o s._n chrysostome_n make_v for_o he_o s._n augustine_n answer_v absit_fw-la ut_fw-la joannes_n constantinopolitanus_n etc._n etc._n god_n forbid_v that_o john_n bishop_n of_o constantinople_n shall_v resist_v so_o many_o and_o worthy_a bishop_n his_o fellow_n especial_o innocentius_n bishop_n of_o rome_n 2._o cyprian_n of_o carthage_n basil_n of_o cappadocia_n gregory_n of_o nazianzen_n hilary_n of_o france_n and_o ambrose_n of_o milan_n so_o he_o therefore_o how_o much_o more_o may_v we_o rely_v upon_o the_o authority_n of_o as_o many_o more_o father_n whereof_o there_o be_v 4._o even_o of_o those_o who_o s._n augustine_n name_v and_o he_o himself_o also_o one_o of_o the_o number_n and_o all_o of_o they_o flourish_v above_o 1100._o year_n ago_o and_o have_v not_o be_v gaynsayd_v or_o impugn_a by_o any_o may_v we_o not_o i_o say_v bold_o admit_v their_o testimony_n for_o a_o proof_n of_o the_o uniform_a consent_n of_o the_o church_n in_o their_o time_n the_o scripture_n teach_v and_o common_a practice_n approve_v that_o 2._o or_o 3._o substantial_a witness_n may_v suffice_v to_o prove_v any_o matter_n in_o question_n 17._o and_o therefore_o much_o more_o may_v these_o 12._o most_o learned_a and_o holy_a father_n suffice_v to_o show_v what_o be_v the_o practice_n and_o belief_n of_o the_o church_n in_o their_o day_n especial_o see_v that_o diverse_a of_o they_o speak_v of_o public_a matter_n of_o fact_n which_o pass_v in_o their_o own_o time_n and_o knowledge_n in_o which_o respect_n they_o can_v be_v think_v to_o fain_v and_o lie_v except_o we_o shall_v take_v they_o to_o be_v void_a both_o of_o conscience_n and_o common_a honesty_n 69._o but_o m._n andrew_n add_v further_o that_o it_o appear_v even_o in_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n himself_o that_o the_o father_n be_v not_o all_o of_o one_o mind_n concern_v prayer_n to_o saint_n supra_fw-la and_o for_o proof_n thereof_o he_o remit_v his_o reader_n to_o the_o cardinal_n controversye_n answer_v and_o particular_o to_o the_o tract_n de_fw-fr beatitudine_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la the_o first_o book_n and_o 20._o chapter_n which_o true_o i_o have_v read_v diligent_o and_o can_v find_v any_o thing_n at_o all_o to_o that_o purpose_n except_o perhaps_o he_o mean_v that_o the_o cardinal_n signify_v there_o the_o different_a opinion_n of_o the_o father_n concern_v the_o manner_n how_o saint_n do_v understand_v 20._o or_o hear_v our_o prayer_n whereupon_o it_o seem_v m._n andrew_n infer_v that_o they_o differ_v also_o in_o opinion_n concern_v the_o whole_a controversy_n andrews_n when_o nevertheless_o it_o appear_v evident_o there_o that_o they_o make_v no_o doubt_n whether_o prayer_n to_o saint_n be_v lawful_a neither_o yet_o whether_o they_o know_v our_o action_n but_o only_o in_o what_o manner_n they_o know_v they_o and_o how_o they_o hear_v or_o understand_v our_o prayer_n touch_v which_o point_n and_o the_o absurd_a inference_n that_o m_n andrew_n make_v thereof_o deny_v the_o certaynty_a of_o the_o effect_n by_o the_o uncertainty_n of_o the_o cause_n or_o manner_n of_o it_o i_o have_v so_o ample_o discourse_v 16._o before_o that_o i_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o say_v any_o more_o thereof_o in_o this_o place_n 70._o but_o that_o which_o i_o wish_v to_o be_v note_v
in_o 2._o thes._n 2._o 2._o haer._n 61_o 61_o lib._n de_fw-fr spiritu_fw-la sanct._n cap._n 29._o 29._o lib._n 4._o de_fw-la fide_fw-la ca._n 17_o 17_o in_o 2._o thes._n 2._o 2._o act._n vlt._n can_v 1._o s._n augustine_n golden_a rule_n rule_n s._n aug._n de_fw-fr baptis_n contra_fw-la donat_n l._n 2._o ca._n 7._o &_o li._n 4._o c._n 6._o &_o ibid_fw-la cap._n 24._o &_o li._n 5._o ca._n 23._o idem_fw-la ep_n 118._o see_v chap._n 7._o nu_fw-la 49._o m._n andrews_n according_a to_o s._n augustin_n censure_n be_v a_o insolent_a mad_a man_n andr._n p._n 38._o §._o atque_fw-la s._n aug_n li_n de_fw-fr unit_fw-la eccl._n ca._n 22._o vel_fw-la 19_o in_o some_o edition_n idem_fw-la contra_fw-la crescon_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 33._o m._n andrews_n and_o his_o fellow_n do_v admit_v diverse_a tradition_n without_o any_o exâ—presse_a precept_n or_o example_n thereof_o in_o scripture_n origen_n lib._n 5._o in_o cap._n 6._o ad_fw-la rom._n s._n aug._n de_fw-fr gen._n ad_fw-la lit_fw-fr li._n 10._o c._n 23._o idem_fw-la lib._n 4._o de_fw-fr baptis_n conâ—ra_fw-la donatist_n cap._n 24._o see_v the_o faith_n doctrine_n etc._n etc._n print_v a_o do._n 1607._o by_o john_n legate_n in_o cambridg_n pag._n 1â—5_n art_n 27._o §._o the_o baptism_n &_o p._n 168._o §._o although_o see_v constitution_n ecclesiast_n print_a at_o london_n by_o barker_n a_o 1604_o can_v 30._o a_o notable_a trumpery_n of_o the_o pretend_a bishop_n in_o their_o ecclesiastical_a constitution_n ibidem_fw-la d._n tho._n 3._o par_fw-fr q_o 66._o greg._n de_fw-fr valent._n disput_n 4._o q._n 1._o navar._n in_o manu_fw-la cap._n 22._o nu_fw-la 6._o bellar._n de_fw-fr sacra_fw-la baptis_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 25._o navar._n in_o manual_a cap._n 22_o nu_fw-la 6._o the_o pretend_a bishop_n convince_v of_o fraud_n by_o his_o majesties_n testimony_n see_v the_o sum_n of_o the_o conference_n pag._n â—7_n §._o three_o print_a a_o 1604._o conference_n of_o hampton_n court_n contrary_a to_o the_o constitution_n and_o the_o same_o bishop_n to_o themselves_o the_o miserable_a state_n of_o england_n where_o such_o pastor_n have_v the_o charge_n of_o soul_n m._n andrews_n transgress_v either_o the_o synodical_a canon_n of_o the_o english_a clergy_n or_o his_o own_o rule_n see_v supra_fw-la nu_fw-la â—4_n andr._n p._n 37._o §._o verunâ—_n prayer_n to_o saint_n no_o less_o conform_v to_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n than_o the_o use_n of_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n s._n aug._n li._n de_fw-fr unit_fw-la eccl._n c._n 1â—_n &_o contra_fw-la crescon_n lib._n 1._o c._n 31._o idem_fw-la ep_n 118._o m._n andrews_n still_o hardly_o press_v with_o his_o own_o rule_n and_o inference_n upon_o the_o text_n of_o deuteronomy_n prayer_n to_o saint_n ought_v rather_o to_o be_v admit_v than_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n according_a to_o the_o synodical_a canon_n of_o the_o english_a clergy_n m._n andrews_n either_o idle_o demand_v a_o precept_n in_o scripture_n for_o prayer_n to_o saint_n or_o else_o he_o must_v grant_v it_o to_o be_v as_o lawful_a as_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n 1._o tim._n 2._o 1._o joan._n 2._o what_o place_n and_o how_o fit_a to_o the_o purpose_n the_o protestant_n allege_v out_o of_o the_o scripture_n against_o pray_v to_o saint_n matth._n 11._o the_o absurdity_n of_o our_o adversary_n argument_n against_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n andr._n cap._n 8._o pag._n 179._o lin_v 29._o a_o very_a silly_a and_o simple_a discourse_n of_o m._n andrews_n against_o pray_v to_o saint_n s._n aug_n conâ—â—ra_fw-mi ep_n parmen_fw-la lib._n 2._o cap._n 8._o m._n andrews_n serious_a in_o trifle_v his_o argument_n and_o whole_a discourse_n reâ—torted_v upon_o himself_o impugâ—ning_n our_o mutual_a prayer_n one_o for_o another_o m._n andrews_n his_o argument_n do_v as_o directly-overthrow_n that_o which_o he_o himself_o approve_v aâ—_n that_o which_o he_o impugn_v how_o it_o iâ—_n to_o be_v understand_v that_o christ_n be_v our_o only_a mediator_n and_o advocate_n 1._o tim._n â—â—_o 1._o joan._n 2._o hebr._n 7._o the_o meaning_n of_o s._n augustine_n pervert_v by_o m._n andrews_n be_v true_o explicate_v s._n aug._n li._n 2._o coâ—tra_fw-la ep_n parmemanica_fw-la 8â—_n 1._o joan._n 2._o how_o s._n augustine_n deny_v that_o man_n may_v be_v mediator_n one_o for_o another_o neither_o man_n nor_o saint_n or_o angel_n do_v obteyn_a any_o thing_n of_o god_n but_o by_o the_o mediation_n and_o meriâ—s_n of_o jesus_n christ._n m._n andrews_n prodigal_a of_o his_o rhetorik_v a_o absurd_a shift_n and_o evasion_n of_o our_o adversary_n urge_v against_o they_o jac._n 5._o the_o scripture_n shall_v contradict_v itself_o if_o christ_n be_v our_o only_a mediator_n in_o the_o sense_n that_o our_o adversary_n do_v take_v it_o it_o supra_fw-la â—u_n 25.26_o &_o seq_n seq_n supra_fw-la nu_fw-la 33._o &_o seq_n seq_n s._n hieron_n advers._n vigilant_a s._n aug._n ep_n 119._o &_o lib._n 22._o the_o civet_n cap._n 30._o s._n greg._n lib._n 11._o ep_n 3._o how_o prayer_n to_o saint_n be_v conform_v to_o scripture_n and_o deduce_v from_o it_o it_o see_v chap._n 7._o nu_fw-la 48._o &_o supra_fw-la hoc_fw-la cap_n nu_fw-la 31._o 31._o luc._n 10â—_o matth._n 18._o 18._o 1._o cor._n 1â—_n if_o our_o brethren_n on_o earth_n may_v pray_v for_o we_o and_o we_o by_o warrant_n of_o the_o scripture_n commend_v ourselves_o to_o their_o prayer_n why_o may_v we_o not_o do_v the_o like_a unto_o saint_n see_v suprad_a nu_fw-la 12._o ad_fw-la nu_fw-la 24._o vide_fw-la coccium_fw-la to._n 1._o lib_n 5._o art_n 4._o de_fw-la sanctis_fw-la sanctis_fw-la see_v supra_fw-la nu_fw-la 22._o dan._n 3._o â—_o reg._n 11._o 2._o paral._n 21._o 4._o reg_n 19_o job._n 42._o exod._n 32._o s._n hieron_n advers._n vigilantium_fw-la exod._n 32._o act._n 7._o ibid._n ca._n 27._o apoc._n 1â—_n matth._n 28._o saint_n able_a to_o help_v we_o by_o the_o participation_n of_o christ_n power_n apoc._n 3_o ibid._n 2._o ibid._n 1._o &_o 5._o sap._n 3â—_n psal._n 14â—_n matth._n 19_o luc._n â—2_n saints_n protector_n of_o man_n city_n &_o country_n see_v before_o nu_fw-la 18._o &_o 19_o the_o 1._o part_n of_o the_o treatise_n of_o policy_n &_o religion_n chap._n 15._o nu_fw-la 12.13.14.15.16.17.18_o &_o 27._o item_n 2_o par_fw-fr chap._n 24._o nu_fw-la 31._o apoc._n 5._o see_v sup_n nu_fw-la â—2_n two_o foolish_a exception_n take_v by_o m._n andrews_n to_o the_o cardinal_n allegation_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n andr._n pag_n 35._o §._o de_fw-fr qua_fw-la dringentis_fw-la m._n andrews_n wrong_v his_o majesty_n the_o uniform_a consent_n of_o the_o father_n of_o the_o 4._o or_o 5._o age_n must_v needs_o be_v take_v for_o a_o evident_a testimony_n of_o the_o truth_n some_o one_o father_n of_o the_o 4._o and_o 5._o age_n have_v write_v more_o than_o all_o the_o father_n of_o the_o 3._o precedent_a age_n it_o be_v not_o possible_a that_o all_o the_o doctor_n &_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n can_v err_v in_o any_o thing_n at_o any_o time_n and_o why_o matth._n 28._o ibid._n 16._o ephes._n 4._o pastor_n and_o doctor_n ordain_v by_o christ_n in_o his_o church_n to_o preserve_v it_o from_o error_n unto_o the_o world_n end_n if_o all_o the_o doctor_n of_o the_o church_n can_v err_v at_o any_o time_n the_o remedy_n be_v not_o effectual_a which_o god_n have_v ordain_v to_o preserve_v his_o church_n from_o error_n by_o they_o see_v sup_n chap._n 4._o nu_fw-la 36.37.38_o if_o these_o father_n can_v be_v hear_v or_o credit_v what_o other_o father_n will_v he_o desire_v see_v chap._n â—_o nu_fw-la 28._o &_o 66._o andr._n pag._n 6._o §._o tum_o the_o uniform_a consent_n of_o a_o few_o father_n be_v not_o contradict_v by_o the_o rest_n must_v needs_o be_v take_v for_o a_o general_n consent_n of_o the_o church_n iâ—_n their_o tyme._n see_v supra_fw-la nu_fw-la 33._o m._n andrwe_n confute_v by_o a_o example_n of_o his_o own_o fellow_n s_o augustine_n against_o julian_n the_o pelagian_n content_v himself_o with_o the_o testimoâ—nyes_n of_o six_o father_n s._n aug._n lib._n 1._o contra_fw-la julian._n cap._n 2._o deut._n 17._o andr._n ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la another_o vain_a evasion_n of_o m._n andrews_n answer_v bellar._n de_fw-fr beatit_fw-fr sanct._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 20._o cardinal_n bellarmine_n abuse_v by_o m._n andrews_n andrews_n see_v supra_fw-la nu_fw-la 12.13.14.15_o &_o 16._o m_o andrews_n presume_v to_o err_v not_o of_o ignorance_n but_o of_o malice_n s._n aug._n advers._n julian_n pela_n lib._n 2._o in_o epilogo_fw-la saint_n augustin_n word_n to_o a_o pelagian_n heretic_n fit_o apply_v to_o m._n andrews_n certain_a trifle_a objection_n of_o m._n andrews_n out_o of_o origen_n s._n cyril_n &_o s._n athanasius_n athanasius_n nazianz_n oratio_fw-la 1._o in_o julian._n julian._n s._n aug._n de_fw-fr civita_fw-la dei_fw-la lib._n 22._o cap._n 10._o 10._o theodoret_n de_fw-fr graecor_fw-la affect_v curate_n cap._n 8._o 8._o see_v chap._n 7._o nu_fw-la 35.36_o