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A13028	An assertion for true and Christian church-policie VVherein certaine politike obiections made against the planting of pastours and elders in every congregation, are sufficientlie aunswered. And wherein also sundrie projectes are set downe, how the discipline by pastors & elders may be planted, without any derogation to the Kings royal prerogatiue, any indignitie to the three estates in Parleament, or any greater alteration of the laudable lawes, statutes, or customes of the realme, then may well be made without damage to the people.	Stoughton, William, fl. 1584.; Knollys, Francis, Sir, d. 1643.	1604 (1604)	STC 23318; ESTC S117843	177,506	448

the Lordes temporall whether the Lordes spirituall would or no. And that contrary to the expresse decrees canons of the church of Rome And thus much the most reverend and godly Father Maister Iewell Bishop of Salisbury wherefore to conclude this point against the Admonitors position I dispute thus All those persons who by any necessity are none of the three estates and by whose authorities the statutes of England to this day haue not stood to leaue out the same persons may happely seeme a matter of lesse weyght then all men doe iudge it But the Archb and Bb. are such persons as by necessitie are none of the three estates and by whose consents the statutes of Englande to this day haue not stood Therefore to leaue out the Archb and Bb. may happely seeme a matter of lesse weight then all men doe iudge it If our Evangelicall Bishops be of that opinion of which the Popish Bishops were viz that the house of Parleament is an vnfit an vnmeete place to haue the holie cause of the religion of God debated and concluded vpon and that the Layitie without the Clergie ought not to conclude any thinge in religion that in respect hereof their presences their voyces and their assents are necessarie in the Parleament If our Evangelicall Prelates I say make this obiection then besides that hereby they vnseemely vnmannerly vnchristianly accuse the whole land of ignorance and blindnes in religion supposing neither King nor Nobles nor Commons to be able to discerne betwene night and day besides this I say so shamefull an abuse of a whole Christian nation I would pray them to remember what the most reuerend Fathers Maister Pilkington Maister Iewell haue aunswered to such cavillous slaunders For what els intended they by many examples proofes brought for the Parleamentes of England consisting of the King the Nobles and the Commons to be lawfull Parleaments and to haue right to establish religion but to iustifie against Popish scoffers that religion might be receyued established in Parleament notwithstandinge the absence or exclusion of the Clergie Besides since our lawes do vphold the state authoritie of the Convocation Matters of religion not concluded in Parleament before the same bee consulted of in conuocation house for the examination of all causes of Religion surely it can not be truely averred that it is necessarie for Evangelicall Bishops to be members of the Parleament house least controversie of religion should be handled and discussed without them For how should any matter of religion bee concluded without them in Parleament when first of all the same is to be argued among them selves in convocation or let them hardely if they can shew any one instance of any change or alteratiō either from religion to superstition or from superstitiō to religion to haue bin made in Parleament vnlesse the same freely at large haue bene first agreed vppon in their Synodes and Convocations And what booteth it then to haue a double or treble consultation and consent of Archbishops Bishops in Parleament Is the holy cause of God any whit bettered by their Bishops riding from Paules to Westminster Or can it receiue any more strength by their walking from Westminster Church to Westminster Pallace Nay it hath bene oftentimes so farr from being promoted by their Bishops as not onelie in their convocations but also in the Queenes Parleaments the same hath ben shamefully intreated and taken the foile as may witnesse the bill for the better observation of the Sabboth 27. Eliz. which beeing passed by both houses of Parleament was notwithstanding gainesaid withstood by none so much as by certayne Evangelicall Bishops which as there all men generallie conceaved was onlie stayed from being made a law by the Queene vpon their counsell and perswasion Admonition It hath bene alwayes dangerous to pick quarels against lawes setled Pag. 78. Assertion And is it not morbus hereditarius in Steuen Gardeners argument and the Admonitors argumēt in effect one Prelates to picke quarrels against reformation of errours For even this did Steven Gardener reason against the Lord Protector That in no case sayth Steuen Gardener is to bee attempted of the Lord Protector which may bring both danger to him and trouble to the whole Realme But innovation of Religion from that state wherein King Henry left it may bee and is like to bee dangerous to the Lord protector to breed troubles to the whole Realme Therefore innouation of Religion from the state that King Henry left it is in no wise to be attempted And even of this stāpe of this streyne is the argument of picking quarrelles against lawes settled for thus in effect he argueth That Discipline in no case is to bee brought into the Church by the Kinge Parleament which may be dangerous to lawes setled But to bring into the Church the Apostolicall discipline may bee dangerous to lawes setled Therefore the Apostolicall Discipline in no case is to bee brought into the Church by the King Parleament But forasmuch as that noble and religious Lord Protector notwithstanding Steven Gardiners sophistrie continued constant and couragious in the abolishment of Poperie and superstition which King Henrie left did without dangerous alterations of lawes then settled innovate religion How much more now may the Kings Maiestie the Lesse dāger to reforme the Church by newe lawes then to continue corruptiō by old lawes Lords and Commons in Parleament attempt with effect an innovation of that state of Ecclesiasticall goverment wherin the Queene left the Church And if it can not be denied but it had bene farre more daungerous for the Realme and for the Lord protector not to haue setled the holy doctrine of the everlasting Gospel by new lawes then to haue mainteyned and continued antichristianitie by old lawes how should it bee lesse danger for the King in these dayes to continue corruptions in the Church by tolleration of old lawes then to haue the same corruptions reformed by establishment of new lawes But vnto whō or vnto what hath it bene daungerous to picke quarrelles against lawes setled What Hath it bene dangerous to lawes setled No. For how should lawes setled be indangered by quarelers sithence quarellers are euermore in daunger of lawes settled Or hath it bene alwayes dangerous for a King for a State for a people or for a Countrey to picke quarelles against lawes setled No. For what man is he or what face carieth he that dare vpbrayde a Countrey a people a State or a King minding to vnsetle evil lawes euill customes to be quarelers against lawes setled Let it then onlie be daungerous for private persons vpon private malecontentment to picke quarelles against good lawes wel rightly setled and let it not be hurtfull or dangerous for supreame Kings powers and Principalities by publicke edicts to alter evill lawes evilly setled For to what other end should evill lawes evilly setled be continued but to continue evill And what a thing were that This argument then for lawes setled being the sophisme of that Fox Steven Gardener

of Tythes Testaments and Matrimonie matters also of adulterie slander c. are in these mens iudgments mere tēporal c. therefore to bee dealt in by the temporall Magistrate onely which as yet haue eyther none at all or very fewe lawes touching those things therefore the common lawe of the Realme must by that occasion receaue also a verie great alteration For it wil bee no small matter to applie these things to the temporal law to appoint Courts Officers and manner of processe and proceedings in iudgement for the same Assertion In deed we hold that all these matters whereof mention is here made and all Matters of tythes and other causes of like nature perteine to civill Iustice others of the like nature are merely civill and temporall and by the temporall Magistrate alone to bee dealt in and to be discussed if we consider the administration of externall and civill iustice And this wee thinke wil be graunted of all and not be denied of any vnlesse they be too to popishly addicted In regard whereof wee haue drawen as before is mentioned a proiect howe Courts and maner of processe and proceedinges in iudgement by Doctors of the civill law may be appointed by the King and his high Court of Parleamēt without that that the common law of the Realme by the occasion of any such courts officer or maner of processe and proceedings must receave any alteration at al muchlesse a very great alteration Howbeit if it should not please the King and that the Civilians could not finde favour in his sight by courts offices and maner of processe and proceedings in iudgement before specified or by the like to have the studie of the civill law advanced yet we thinke it convenient once againe to ●owe matters of Tythes c. may be dealt in by the Kings Iudges be examined howe these matters may be dealt in according to the rules groūd● of the common lawe before the Kings Iudges and Iustices of the Kings bench and common pleas By a statute of 32. H. 8. c. 7. it is cleare that all tythes oblations c. and other ecclesiasticall or spirituall profits by the lawe or statutes of the Realme may bee made temporal as being admitted to be abide go to and in temporall hands laye vses and profits From the reason 〈◊〉 which statute it is cleere that those law●● likewise may be reckoned amongst 〈◊〉 for temporall lawes which by the law●● and statutes of the Realme may be executed by temporall and lay persons and which are conversant about temporall and lay causes If then the execution of the lawes touching these matters may lawfully remaine abide in the hands of Doctors of the civill law being temporall and lay persons as alreadie vnder the Bishops they doe it can not be denied but that the Kings Iudges and Ius●icers of both Benches may be as competible Iudges to put in execution the lawes concerning these matters as Doctors of the civill law or other lay-men be But the causes are not reputed and called temporall lay causes amongst vs. What for that if in their owne nature simply considered these causes bee meerely laye and temporall causes such causes I meane as whereof the King a ●ay civill and temporall Magistrate by his lay civill and temporal Magistracie ●erived vnto him immediatly from the holy law of God may and ought to take ●ognizāce thervpō either in his own Royall person or by the person of any of his inferior Officers may giue abso●te peremptorie iudgement If I say ●hese things be so what booteth it or that wisedom is it contend that these causes and matters have bin and are stil adiudged to be therefore ecclesiasticall no temporal causes because through an abusive speech or through a vaine and evill custome they haue bin so called and accompted in times past And what if it hath pleased the Kinges Progenitors by sufferance to tollerate the execution of such lawes as concerne these things to be in the hands power of Ecclesiasticall persons yet here vpon it followeth not that in very deede and trueth the Magistracie of the said ecclesiasticall persons was an ecclesiasticall Magistracie or that they were ecclesiasticall Magistrats but their Magistracie was and remayned still a temporall magistracie they were and aboade temporall Magistrates For not more can the qualitie of the person alter the nature of the cause then can the qualitie of the cause alter the nature of the person And if it be true that matters determinable in tymes past by a Magistracie abusivelie called ecclesiastical be notwithstandinge properlie tempora●● matters and that the same Magistracie also be a temporall no spirituall Magistracie what a childish poore cōceit is it to challenge threp vpō the tēporall Magistrat that he hath none or verie few temporall lawes touching those matters And that therefore the people should not sollicit an alteratiō of abuses in Church-goverment least for want of temporall lawes the people should bee without ecclesiasticall discipline It will be no small matter saith hee to applie these things to the temporall lawe yea and so say I to But what of that The question is not how hardly these things may be applied to the temporall lawe but how small a matter it were to applie the temporall law vnto these thinges For it is not said in any law that casus ex iuribus but it is said in all lawes that The temporal law may easily be applied to causes nowe reputed ecclesiasticall ex casibus ●ura nascuntur And in deede the Phisition applieth not the disease to his phisicke but he prepareth his phisicke for the disease The husband-man he measureth not his groūd by the seed but his seed by the ground The Draper he meateth not his yarde by the cloth but his cloth by the yarde If in like maner the temporall lawes and the grounds and rules thereof were applied to these matters of tythes marriages c. whereof he speaketh what more alteration could there be of the temporall law by such an application then there is an alteration of the plūmet by laying it to the stone or then there is an alteration of the rule or yard by laying them to the timber cloth Besides he that rightly and after an exact equall proportion can apply one rule or maxime of the tēporall lawe to many more cases then wherevn to it hath bin vsually in former times applied he may rather be reputed an additioner then an alterer of the law But how may the temporall lawe be applied to those matters How even so and so as followeth By the statute 32. Howe Tythes may bee recouered in the Kings tēporall Courts H. 8. c. 7. it is declared that tythes oblations c. and other ecclesiastical or spirituall profitts c. bein̄g in laye mens handes to laye vses be no more ecclesiasticall but temporall goods and profittes and that if any person were disseysed

if it may please him so to provide by Parleament may giue remedie vnto complaynants by writts out of the Chancerie and that complaints in such cases may effectuallie be redressed vpon such writts in the Kings Courts And if also sundrie matters of Tythes Testaments and Mariages be alreadie handled in the Kinges Courts if these things I say be so and so may be then with litle reason did the Admonitor warne vs that a verie great alteration of the common law must follow and that it will be no small matter to applie these things to the temporall law But the antecedent is true as hath bene alreadie shewed Therefore the consequent is true Admonition Iudgementes also of adulterie slaūder c. are in these mens iudgmentes Pag. 78. mere temporall and therefore to be dealt in by the temporall Magistrate onely Assertion We are in deed of this iudgemēt that in regard of the Kinges Royall Office these iudgements of adultrie and other criminall causes comprised within this clause c. ought no more to be exempted from the Kings temporall Courtes then matters of theft murther treason and such like ought to be And for the mayntenance of our iudgementes wee affirme that there is no crime or offēce of what nature or qualitie soever respecting any commaundement conteyned within either of the two tables of the holie law of God if the same bee nowe corrigible by spirituall power but that some fault and contempt one or other of the like nature and qualitie as comprised vnder the same commandement hath bene evermore and is now punishable by the Kings Regall and temporal iurisdiction For adulterie as the same is to be censured by penance in the Ecclesiasticall Courtes so is ravishment also buggerie sodomie to be punished in the Kings Court by payne of death And as hath bene accustomed that Ordinaries by cēsures of the Church may correct fornicators so fornication also as in some bookes written of the common lawe is reported hath bene in times passed presented and punished in leetes and Law-dayes in divers places of the Realme by the name of Letherwhyte whiche is as the booke saieth an auncient Saxon terme And the Lord of the Leete where it hath bene presented hath euer had a fyne for the same offence By the statute of those that be borne beyond the Seas 25. Ed 3. it appeareth that the Kinge hath cognizance of fome bastardie And nowe in most cases of bastardie if not in all by the statute of Eliza. the reputed father of a bastard borne is lyable to bee punished at the discretion of the Iustices of peace Touching periurie if a man loose his action by a false verdict in plea of land Periurie if punishable temporallie in some cases why not in all he shall haue an attaynt in the Kinges Court to punish the periurie and to reforme the falsitie And by divers statutes it appeareth that the Kings tēporall Officers may punish periurie committed in the Kings tēporal Courtes And though it be true that such periurie as hath risen vpon causes reputed spirituall haue bene in times past punished onlie by ecclesiasticall power and censures of the Church yet herevpon it followeth not that the periurie it selfe is a meere spirituall and not a temporall crime or matter or that the same might not to be civillie punished By a statute of Westminster 25. Ed. 3. it was accorded that the King his Vsurie heyres shall have the cognizance of the vsurers dead and that the Ordinaries haue cognizance of vsurers on lyfe to make compulsion by censures of the Church for sinne and to make restitution of the vsuries taken against the lawes of holy church And by another statute it is provided that vsuries shall 20. H. 3. c. 5. not turne against any being within age after the time of the death of his Auncestoure vntill his full age But the vsurie with the principall debt which was before the death of his Auncestor did remayne and turne against the heyre And because all vsurie being forbidden by the law of God is sinne detestable 13. Eliz. c. 8. it was enacted that all vsurie lone and forbearing of money c. giving dayes c. shall be punished according to the forme of that Act. And that everie such offendor shal also be punished corrected according to the Eccle. lawes before that tyme made against vsurie By al which statutes it seemeth that the cognizance reformatiō of vsurie by the lawes of the Realm partayneth onlie to the Kinge vnles the King by his lawe permit the Church to correct the same by the censures of the church as a sinne committed against the holy law of God Touching heresies and schismes albeit the Bishoppes by their Episcopall Heresies schismes are punishable by the Kings lawes and ordinarie spirituall power groūded vpon canon lawe or an evill custome have vsed by definitive sentēce pronoūced in their Consistories to condemne men for heretickes and schismatickes and afterward being condemned to deliver them to the seculer power to suffer the paynes of death as though the King being custos vtriusque tabulae had not power by his Kinglie office to enquire of heresie to condemne an hereticke to put him to death vnlesse he were first condemned delivered into his hands by their spirituall power although this hath bene I say the vse in England yet by the statutes of Richard the second Henrie the fift it was lawfull for the Kings Iudges and Iustices to enquire of heresies and Lollardes in Leetes Sherifes turnes and in Lawdayes and also in Sessions of the peace Yea the King by the common law of the Realme revived 25. H. 5. c. 14. by an Act of Parleament which before by the Statute of Henrie the fourth was altered may pardon a man condemned for heresie yea and if it should come to passe that any heresies or schismes should arise in the Church of Englande the Kinge by the lawes of the Realme and by his Supreame Soveraigne power with his Parleament may correct redresse and reforme all such defaultes and enormities Yea further the King and his Parleament with consent of the Cleargie in their Convocation 1. Eliz. ca. 〈◊〉 hath power to determine what is heresie and what is not heresie If then it might please the King to haue it enacted by Parleament that they which opiniativelie and obstinatelie hold defende 1 Eliz 〈◊〉 1. and publish any opinions which according to an Act of Parleament alreadie made haue bene or may bee ordered or adiudged to be heresies should be heretickes and felons and their heresies If it please the Kinge heretickes may bee adiudged felons and here●ies felonies to be felonies and that the same heretickes and felons for the same their heresies and felonies beeing araigned convicted and adiudged by the course of the common law as other felons are should for the same their heresies felonies suffer the paynes of death