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A61683 A letter sent to a friend containing some reflections upon a late book intituled, The Roman church vindicated, and M.S. convicted of a false witnesse against her Wherein is declar'd, that the Pope may excommunicate and depose Kings according to the judgement of their greatest doctors, decrees and practices of several Popes, and Canons of their most approved councils; and the author convicted of most notorious falsities, &c. By J.S. B.D. Stopford, Joshua, 1636-1675. 1675 (1675) Wing S5743; ESTC R222081 29,048 37

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concerning this Book They answered that their General living at Rome could not but approve that which was agreeable to the Court of Rome But being again demanded what they believed Answered that they believed the clean contrary Being again askt And what would you do if you were at Rome Answer'd as they do at Rome Which made some of the Court say Have these Men one Conscience at Rome and another at Paris God keep us from such Confessors And if we look back to Pope Innocent 4. his time we shal find the Bishope and other Clergy-men of France in a Council at Lyons declaring for the Popes Authority to depose Emperours But more of this after wards Thus you see how Zealous even the French have been when they saw it was convenient in asserting the Popes deposing faculty and consequently the imprudence of our Adversary in urging this Testimony of the French Bishops and Sorbonne Doctors I will pass over the Petition of our English Catholicks in King Charles 1. his Reign p. 59. in which they make Solemn protestations of Loyalty for such Stuff will not pass with those that know their Principles or have read the Declaration made to King James even when they were plotting his ruin in the Gun-powder Treason As also the great Braggs he makes of their Loyalty in the late times of Rebellion p. 63. For I know you have read The late Apology in behalf of the Papists answer'd in behalf of the Royalists printed 1667. Who tels them that in Ireland there were whole Armies of Irish and English that sought against his Majesty solely upon the account of their Religion That in England some came in voluntarily to assist him but many more of them were hunted into his Garrisons by them that knew they would bring him little help and much hatred And of those that fought for him so long only as his Fortune stood when that once declined a great part even of them fell from him From that time forward they that were alwayes deemed Cavaliers where were they In all those weak Efforts 1647. 1656. 1659 of gasping Loyalty what did they They complyed and flattered and gave Sugar'd words to the Rebels then as they do to the Royal●sts now They addrest their Petitions to the Supream Authority of this Nation the Parliament of the Commonwealth of England They affirm'd that they had generally taken and punctually kept the Ingagements They promised that if they might but enjoy their Religion they would be the most quiet and useful Subjects of England And this they proved by real Testimonies which we have no pleasure in remembring and they would have less in hearing of them p. 14. Are not these Petitions and Professions most convincing demonstrations of Catholick Loyalty And thus Sir you see how unsuccesful this Gentleman hath been in his first Attempt what pitiful Witnesses he hath brought to convict this Position of falshood viz. That the Pope hath power to depose Kings and absolve their Subjects from their Allegiance Before I pass to his next Chap. give me leave to produce such Testimonies for your further satisfaction in this Point as no Romanist can in reason and Conscience except against And these are the Opinions of their greatest Doctors Decrees and Practices of several Popes and Canons of their most approved Councils 1. That the Pope hath power to excommunicate and depose Kings and absolve their Subjects from their Allegiance is most clear from the Opinions of their greatest Doctors And here Sir I will refer you to Mr. Foulis knowing you have the Book who hath amassed together about three hundred Cardinals Arch-Bishops Bishops School-men Canonists Historians that assert and maintain this Doctrine History of Popish Treasons p. 41 Some of these Authors I have which I find faithfully quoted and could add others to the Catalogue I know this Gentleman ca● them Brethren of iniquity p. 36. Idle wranglers p. 47. aspiring Underlings p. 56 seeming Members p. 58. But let him shew me when and where they were condemned what Index Expurgatorius has censured them Nay if he deal honestly he cannot but confess that these Authors are generally approved and had in great admiration among them that are the Guides of Lay-mens Consciences But on the other hand I find several who have oppos'd this Doctrine censur'd and their Books condemned by the Church of Rome Take a few Instances Petrus de Vineis who collected the Epistles of Frederick 2. Emperour of Germany which contain a Defence of the Imperial Lawes against the Popes Usurpations William Occam and Marsilius of Padua who defend the same Rights in behalf of the Emperour Lewis 4. Antonius de Rosellis of the Power and Authority of the Pope who writ upon the same occasion in behalf of the Emperor Frederick 3. Cardinal Zabarel of of Schismes which should be taken away by the Emperors Authority The Monarchy of Dante 's who affirms that the Emperour depends not upon the Pope but holds his Empire from God A Dispute betwixt the Clerk and the Souldier containing a Defence of the Royal Lawes of the Kings of France against the Popes Usurpations They have not spared Pope Pius 2. though he declar'd in his Bull all that to be heretical which he had written against the Popes Authority when he was called Aeneas Sylvius The Speech of Anthony Arnald in the Parliament of Paris against John Chastel who attempted to murder the King Congregat 10. Roger Widdringtons Apology against Bellarmin Congreg 12. And his Theological Disputation concerning the Oath of Allegiance Congreg 13. God and the King Congreg 16. The Explication of the Oath of Allegiance called Zentum ad Catholicos Anglos Congreg 24. Scutum Regium i. e. against all King-killers and their Patrons Congreg 25. William Barclay of the Pope's Power Congreg 10. But most severe they are upon our King James his Apology for the Oath of Allegiance Congreg 8. This Book they say contains pernicious and execrable Heresies contrary to the Truth and purity of the Holy Catholick Fa●th And all Persons are prohibited to read or keep it upon pain of Excommunication from which they cannot be absolv'd but by the Pope and the Mulct of a thousand Ducats Some of these with many more which I have no time to mention were censur'd by the Council of Trent and others by the Pope Cardinals c. authorized thereunto by that Council Sess 25. sub sin 2. From the Decrees and Practices of their Popes From their Decrees and Constitutions Gregory 1. gave great Priviledges to S. Medard in Soissons with an express Order That the King or Potentate should be degraded or depos'd that did violate them This is urged by Suarez Bellar. Azorius for the Popes Deposing Faculty Baronius glories much in it anno 593. n. 86. And Gregory 7. made use of it to justify his Deposing of Henry 4. Emperor of Germany Bellarmin con●ra Barcla●um p. 308. Becanus Controv. Angl. p. 128. Let all know that they are absolv'd from their