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A29441 A Brief discourse betwen a sober Tory and a moderate Whigg 1690 (1690) Wing B4577; ESTC R22981 5,299 2

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A Brief Discourse Betwen a Sober Tory and a Moderate WHIGG Tory. TRuly Neighbour Whig I have always had a very good Esteeme of you and I think in my Conscience a great many of you called Whigs are very honest well-meaning People but that you are so thoughtful and uneasie in matters of Government which in my opinion very ill becomes a good man or a true Christian Whig I thank you Neighbour Tory for your kindness But what mean you by saying that we are uneasie in matters of Government you know that I have always been as well satified with and as much admired our Government both in Church and State as any man whatsoever and were I to have my wish I would only desire that the Ecclesiastical Courts might be a little better Regulated and the Dessenters whether Scrupulous or Stubborn a little more mildely dealt with and the many good Laws we have more strictly put in execution against the Papists that so we might be effectually secured from the cruel designs and villanous practises of those Blood-sucking Monsters Tory Why Neighbour you cannot forbear discovering your discontent immediately you are now for conniving at the Fanaticks and abating the Rigour of the Law against them and for Prosecuting the Papists with the greatest extremity whereas you see that some of our admired Ministers of Justice Act quite contrary Whig Whatever the Ministers of Justice do you know it was the Opinion of the four last Parliaments after their most deliberate Consideration that the Dissenters should not be so Violently prosecuted on the Penal Laws And they were for repealing some of the most harsh Laws against them because they were not willing it should be in the Power of every malicious troublesome fellow to prosecute them thereupon to their utter Ruine as we have seen it in many parts of the Nation Besides they thought that the Prosecuting them so furiously at this Juncture was a means of giving the Papists the greater Opportunities of Effecting their Villanous Disigns And of escaping the Punishment which the Laws most Justly pronounce against them Tory. Oh Neighbour will you be so great a Whig as to Rely upon the Actions and Opinions of the late Parliaments The Extravigancy and unreasonableness of whose Intentions his Majesty hath sufficiently made known to the world in his Declaration And the Nation in general by their Addresses and Abhorrencyes have fully Declar'd their detestation of their Proceeding Whig Neighbour the Parliament being Composed or should be a number of men Generally of the Estates and greatest Prudence and discretion in their several Countreys whilst their Actions tend to the Conservation of our Laws and the Maintenance of the Kings Royal Authority and our Established Religion I know not on whom I may better Rely And if they did Vote any thing that may seem extraordinary I think we ought to impute it to the Exigency of the Times and Necessity of affairs as they then stood for they I suppose well enough saw that whilst the Popish and Arbitrary Counsels were so prevalent they were only Deluded and should not be suffered to do any thing that might effectually secure the Nation against the Papists and their Designs And for the Addresses and those kind of things you speak of we believe in most Towns they were Proposed and carried on either by Persons Popishlike affected or else by those who by their interest were bound and obliged to such and they procured some of the same Inclinations with them and some of the Ignorant Vulgar to subscribe them and then called it an Address from such a Town or County whereas we belive there were very few Subscribers of Quality and Sobriety amongst them Not but that all good men will be ready to Address or do any just thing that may be acceptable to his Majesty but they thought they could not justly endeavour to Reflect or cast an Odium upon the late Parliaments who were so Sollicitous and concerned for his Majesties and Nations good But let us return to our Dissenters and I protest Neighbour did they preach such abominable and Hellish Doctrines or Patronise and Justifie those Horrid Villanies Butcheries and Murders that the Papists as is manifestly known to all the world to I should then be altegether as Zealous for prosecuting them as I am now for Prosecuting the Papists Tory. Have you them forgot that Bloody War that was begun by them even in our memory and that most abominable Nefarious deed the Murthering the late King Sure when you look back on what was then done by them you will have very little to say in their excuse Whig As for the Original of that Unnatural War we cannot lay the blame of it only on the Dissenters if you examine the true History of those Times you may find that there were great Distempers growing in the State many Years before the breaking out of that War And perhaps many that were no Dissenters from our Church may as justly been tilled to the Original of it as the presbiterians themselves and for that most execrable and most horrid deed the Murther of his late Majesty we believe it was perpretated by a number of men that after a most bloody War had gotten the sole power of affairs into their own hands and thought it Impossible for themselves to be safe without committing that abhorred Villany for which we have seen most of those of them that were taken Recieve their most just demerits and we know that many of the Dissenters were as much Concerned for the commission of that Fact and Declared as great an abhorrency of it as any And I think they of late have Sufficiently Demonstrated to the World that they have no Inclination to Rebellion or disloyalty when as they being supposed in many places the Superior Number have taken so patiently those Notorius abuses from their Inveterate Enemies have plaineough understood their Malicious Designe of Rendering all those you call Whigs Odious to the World How have Papists and their Secret Friends continually endeavour'd to throw of the Guilt of their accursed Plot from themselves upon many of his Majesties good Subjects whom no indifferent Person upon du con ideation can possibly believe guilty of those things whereof they are accused they have so impudently and incessantly followed these Methods that amongst most of those you call Loyal and well Effected to the Crown the Popish Plot is almost exploded and Laught at and some of the Witnesses whom never could Disprove I think in any one thing they Testified Villified and reproached as the Worst of men to the great Scandal and Disgrace in my Opinion of the Government Tory. Come Neighbour do not be over cofident of any mans Innocency Time you know is the Mother of Truth and she may perhaps shortly produce those things that may satisfie you of the Guilt of some persons which you cannot I percieve get credit Notwithstanding those notorious things that have been by so many Witnesses