as you would have preferred viz. zealous hardy men out of the north whose judgement about the Covenant and Treaty had concurred so as to introduce your nation to be one of the Estates of this kingdome to have a negative voyce in all things concerning our welfare who would have pleaded your co-intrest with the Parliament of England in the Militia of the kingdome disposall of places and offices of tâ—ust in all our particular and proper goods we are confident with you that it would have prevented a world of inconveniences upon the King and his party his Armies in the fields strong Holds and Garrisons which have ensued upon the neglect thereof The last thing you speak unto under this head is viz the interest of the Crowne that is touching the conferring titles of honour which you call the Flower of the Crown and wherewith Kings doe use to recompence the vertue and merits of their good subjects c. Did you not formerly consent to the making voyd of the Titles of honour confer'd by the great Seale after it was carried away from the Parliament have you better considered of the matter and changed your thoughts touching the vertues and merits of those who have assisted the King against the Parliament Is this your zeale against the common enemy of both Kingdoms according to the solemn league and Covenant Is this that just and condign pnnishment wherunto you engaged your selves to bring them what that might be rewarded for their helping the King against the Parliament as we heare your Secretary was as is supposed for his care and pains in this your writings against the Houses with titles of honour Having finished the particulars of the second head viz the interest of the Crown you fall upon the third the union and joynt interest of the kingdoms where you complain First That the Houses have omitted the Covenant in these Propositions We have given you an answer to that once and again you do so tosse the covenant that it 's thought you will quickly bring it out of date the word Covenant is your Shiboleth but we can both pronounce and nnderstand it as well as your selves Secondly you adde that the Houses have rejected all that concerns-unity and uniformity in matters of Religion It is but a temporary Suspension because of their former successesnes your own answer for your rejecting propositions pressing for a treaty contrary to your promise and not a rejection of those things Did they presume the religion of Scotland in the principles thereof to justifie your practices in abusing our Parliament as your Papers have done they would have reason enough to reject all that concerns unity and uniformity with you in matters of religion But confident we are as they have no reason so the least jealousie thereof is not within the confines of their thoughts Next you complaine of the omission of severall things even in heapes all which you summon up in this That generally throughout the Propositions all expressions of joynt interest are left out If by joynt interest you meane such a joynt interest as is according to the expresse letter of the solemn League and Covenant and treaties between the Kingdoms we cannot presume such an omission though there may be a prudentiall suspension at present of some particulars thereof though we know no such thing Secondly if by Joynt Interest you mean such a Joynt Interest as you would extort from the solemn League and Covenant and treaties between the Kingdomes as the sence thereof which was never intended nay abhor'd As that the Militia by sea and land in the Kingdoms of England Ireland the power of making peace and war with forraine States the Kings consent in the enacting of any law the conferring of great places of honour and trust making of Peers of Parliament conferring of titles of honour what revenue the King is to have in England Ireland and how to be disposed c. cannot be transacted and concluded upon without the joynt advice and confent of the kingdome of Scotland If such a kinde of sense meaning only of the solemn League Covenant and treaties between the kingdoms will serve your turn and the expres letter of these is too short for your satisfaction the Parliament of England have reason upon reason that generally throughout the propositions all expressions of joynt interest should be left out Yea if we may be understood in the observation of our due distance from and obliged duty to them we obtest them by all their vowes covenants promises by all their votes orders ordinances by all their declarations proclamations protestations by all our bloud blowes battles by all our vexations contributions and taxations by all our monies horse and plate by all our servants apprentizes and journey-men by all our wounds sores and scares by all the rents rapes and ruines by all the plunderings burnings and sackings by all our widdows fatherles and friendles by all our sayings doings and sufferings for our kingdomes interests by the sad effects of tyranny and slavery by the great trust committed to their charge by our confidence of their faithfulnes therein by the honour of English men by the stain of their posterity kindred and progeny by their principles of humanity justice and integrity by their great account at the last day that they doe preserve our rights lawes interest our priviledges liberties and immunities intire distinct and whole and that they neither sell them give them nor grant them nor yet suffer them to be sold given or granted by any compact Covenant or Treaty as we are most assured hitherto they have not to any Nation Kingdome or people and more particularly that in all their transactions between themselves and our Scotch brethreÌ„ they maintain the distinct interest of England without confounding it with the interest of Scotland and that in all their neighbourly friendly and brotherly Associations for the jojnt benefit of both Kingdomes they never associate in that which is their several distinct and particular rights Whereas you complain that formerly Propositions of both kingdoms were drawn up together in one body now for separating the interests of the kingdoms the Propositions for England are drawne up apart upon the observation whereof with other things you desired a conference and it would not be granted We reply First what mean you by one body mean you the Commissioners of both Kingdoms making that up one body or secondly the Parliament of England in conjunction with the Scotch Commissioners doubtles we cannot thinke that the Parliament of England and Scotch Commissioners were ever known yet to be one body we hope that never such a monster shall be seene in England neither can we imagine that the Commissioners of both kingdomes in one body were to draw up propositions for peace therefore mean you thirdly that this one body was not made up of men but of propositions
come up to the full length of your desires c. That is take the Covenant Your zeale for the Covenant and His Majestie runs together though His Majestie and the Covenant are a great way asunder your loyalty and allegeance will suffer you to indulge the King in His refusing to subject to the matters of God the solemne League and Covenant and yet your brotherly affection and honesty will admit of quarrelling with the Parliament of England for not haling urging and pressing Him to come to the full length of their desires viz. to take the Covenant The Commissioners of Scotland can give a dispensation but the Parliament of England must not so much as appeare to favour him upon paine of dispensing with the matters of God asham'd of Christ denying him before men and his denyall of them at the great day of the Lord It seemes you would make us younger brethren not only in the matters of the world but in matters of God too Thus farre for the businesse of the Covenant the primum mobile of all other motions and therefore ever and anon you refer unto that The next thing omitted by the Parliament is the Proposition for confirming the Ordinance concerning the calling and sitting of the Assembly of Divines The calling and sitting of the Assembly of Divines was not intended in sempiternum neither do we beleeve but an authoritative dismission of that revered Assembly especially for a season would be as acceptable to themsâ—… as serviceable to the respective places whereto they belong for the weeding up of those tares of errour and prophanesse which the enemy hath sowne in their absence and it is no parradoxe to affirm that the sitting so long of so many learned and godly Ministers together for the suppression of Errour Heresie and Wickednesse and advancing the affaires of Jesus Christ hath been an occasion through their absence from their people of more Errour Heresie Profanesse and prejudice to the affaires of Christ than did appeare before men erre not knowing the Scriptures and how can men but erre when their Teachers are long removed into corners The next thing omitted was the Proposition for Reformation of Religion in England and Ireland according to the Covenant According to the Covenant That implies that the Covenant must first be taken and then the Reformation must be setled according to the Covenant you have said enough to the Parliament for their prophane neglect to presse the King to the Covenant that they should omit no lesse then the solemne League and Covenant though you can dispence with him but will you have the King to settle Religion in England and Ireland according to the Covenant and not take the Covenant then would you have Him settle a Religion against His Conscience and is that reasonable a blind Sacrifice is not acceptable The next thing omitted was the Proposition for setling unity and uniformity in matters of Religion betweene the Churches of both Kingdomes according to the Covenant The reply to the last might well serve for a reply to this also according to the Covenant is the burden of your song and it seemes the life of your game by the Churches of God in both Kingdomes do you not meane the two Nationall Churches that is the two Nations themselves for it concernes us now to know your meaning if you interpret that which you call matters of Religion as you have done the solemne League and Covenant for you have an excellent facultie of interpretation You may call community and parity of interests matters of Religion and if so it may be the Parliament may thinke fit to omit the Proposition for setling unity and uniformity in matters of Religion betweene the Churches of God in both Kingdomes according to the Covenant and one Kingdome at least is engaged to them for it But secondly why do you make the solemne League and Covenant the unicum necessarium the ballance of your Sanctuary and the golden reed to measure your Temple you have not a tittle of the word of God but all your crie is the solemne League and Covenant instead of the Word of God the Jew hath his Talmud the Turke his Alkeron the Papist his Masse-booke the Prelate his Service-booke and must we have the solemn League and Covenant instead of the Oracles of heaven the Word of God Better it is that this brazen Serpent should be broken to pieces and ground to powder then that men should fall down and worship it though formerly a healing benefit was received from it It was the hypocriticall Pharise's pretending to heaven though minding the earth who making void the Law of God did teach for doctrine the traditions of the Elders Let us not put up mans posts the Covenant by Gods posts the holy Scripture Having done with the Parliaments omissions in matters of Religion you fall upon their Commissions and excesse the first thing you complaine of under that head is that instead of the Propositions which they have omitted so farre as concernes Religion You find nothing but a meere shadow of Presbytery Government and instead of uniformity of Religion a vast deformity or multiformity of Heresies and Sects A liberty granted for all sorts of service and worship of God an opening a doere to Atheisme to all Religions to liberty of conscience being indeed liberty of errour scandall schisme heresie dishonouring God opposing truth hindering Reformation and seducing others First do you find no more in the Propositions as concerning Discipline and Religion but a meere shadow of Presbyterian government we have no reason to thinke but the Parliament supposeth it such a Presbiterian government in the very substance thereof as they can imagine to be most agreeable to the Word of God and according to our solemne League and Covenant If you can informe them better confident we are their eares are open shall they receive the patterne of the house of God from their Scotch Brethren for the Word of God If they see but the shadow they are not far from the substance If they honour the shadow which is all they see what will they do to the substance when their eyes are open Is it not better that they should doe as they see and see what they doe than to drive a great trade of confidence about the will of God in Discipline with a small stocke of Scripture to maintaine the same did all men truly see what they act and act what they see we should have more love and lesse wrangling more truth and lesse shew men would not be so forward in pretence of zeale for government in the house of God with the neglect of the government of their owne tongues and pens in reproaching and slandering whole States and Kingdomes you see little but the meere shadow of GOVERNMENT in the Parliament we see little but the meere shadow of RELIGION in some others Secondly Perhaps the KINGDOME sees little as
and though they were Propositions of both kingdomes yet they were sent together in one body this doth not argue but that care was had by the Parliament that though the Propositions were sent in one body or paper yet there was a distinction and no confusion of interests we perfectly know that as it would be contrary to the Parliaments trust so is it against their jugdements and consciences to confound the interest of England with the interest of Scotland we trust they will never be sowred with the leven of Levelling but in the promotion of unity they will beware of the Doctrine of Community Secondly what if Propositions for peace were formerly drawne up together in one body must all other Propositions whatsoever which the Parliament of England will please to tender to the King be drawn up together in one body with Scotlands Propositions No it is time now to seperate all colour of interest of the kingdomes and not to suffer the least appearance or occasion of scruple that the Parliament of England did ever intend participation of interests with the kingdome of Scotland though Propositions of both kingdoms were formerly sent in one body of writing yet now their wisdomes may think fit not to administer so much as a paper advantage or the smallest ground of jealousie and mistake about their intentions concerning the intire preservation of the kingdoms distinct interests and therefore our obligations are the greater unto our Parliament for that they would not so much as grant a conference with you about this busines that the confusion of interests between England Scotland should never procure so much advantage as the grant of a Conference would administer unto it And had the principles of an unlimited prerogative power been as timously obviated and declared as your present principles of confounding interests are now by our Parliament it had as probably prevented the sad calamities and miserable consequences of our late wars as their present care we hope will doe if the fault be not your owne which if it happen as God forbid we make noe question but all English men of honour and interest and common ingenuity will joyn together as on man and so preserve the interest of their native Countrey distinct and whole as that all the guilded species and devout pretences of piety and love which shall be used by the deceitfull enemies of the kingdoms interest will never delude us nor i' th least divide us Your grand objection is the expres letter of the eight Article wherein it is provided that no cessation nor any pacification or agreement for peace whatsoever shal be made by either kingdome or the Army of either kingdome without the mutuall advice and consent of both kingdoms or their Committees in that behalf appointed c. First this eight Article you flourish about like the sword of Saul presuming it will not returne empty though it proves to you like the sword of Goliah serving only for your owne overthrow for who was the enemy with which no cessation nor any pacification or agreement for peace whatsoever should be made by either kingdome or the Armies of either kingdome without the mutuall advice and consent of both kingdomes or their Committees on that behalfe appointed was it not the King and his party if his party is supprest by conquest and no peace is made with them by compact then the only enemy that stands out can be no other but the King was not the Dutch Embassadour as you say sent hither to mediate between the King and Parliament as the chiefe parties at variance doe not all the expresses Proclamations and Declarations both from the King and from the Parl. relate to the differences between the King the Parl. the King and his People c. Did not the King proclaim the Parliament and the Army under them Rebels Traytors enemies c Did not the Parl. declare that the King had set up his Standard against his people and therby put his Parl. and kingdome out of his protection what can imaginably then be the meaning of this Article but that no cessation nor any pacification or agreement for peace whatsoever can be made with the King by either kingdom or the Armies of eithers kingdom without the mutuall advice and consent of both kingdoms or their Committees in that behalfe appointed hath the Parliament ever secretly or openly made any cessation pacification or agreement for peace whatsoever or in the least degree closely tamper'd with the King without the mutuall advice and consent of both kingdomes did they ever directly or indirectly by themselves or others invite him to their Army and upon his comming pretend to admire the wonderfull providence professing astonishment and amazement and that they were like men in a dream Did they ever accept of titles of honour either at New-castle or Isle of Wight exhibiting so much as the least jealousie unto our brethren of Scotland of any compliance much lesse agreement or pacification with the King without their mutuall advice and consent Have they broken their Articles of Treaty or your selves No let not such a stain and blot be found upon any English men of honour or interest much lesse upon the High Court of Parliament of England the representative body of the whole kingdom and we once more obtest you brethren Commissioners of Scotland by the jealousie and wrath of the most high God by all your professions and declarations by your soleme League and Covenant which you have made with God the Parl. and kingdome of England by the eight Article of the Treaty betwixt the Kingdoms by the dreadfull demerits of Covenant-breakers Treaty-breakers false brethren deceitfulnes of friendship dissimulation with God and men that you neither directly or indirectly secretly or openly make any cessation pacification or agreement for peace whatsoever with the King without the mutuall advice and consent of both Kingdoms And we desire Almighty God to blesse and prosper the Parliaments and Commissioners of both Kingdoms according to their faithfullnes in keeping Covenant on Treaties that it may please him to blesse them or either of them in their faithfull endeavours to execute judgement and justice upon great and small fulfilling the whole minde and wil of God without respect of persons among men that it would please him to keepe up the spirit of the honourable Lords Commons and Army of England without declining from their late resolutions in a steady constant and faithfull intention and purpose without feare or favour and that they may not start aside like a broken bow from their present righteous and just intentions and that it may please him to incline the hearts of all the people of the land to joyne with them to promote righteousnesse judgement and justice and to keepe the interests of both kingdoms in their proper distinctions without confusion to heare the cries and hasten the remedies of the many oppressions sorrowes and grievances of the kingdome and
Kingdome nor c. Thus you would argue us into a confusion of interests Againe by the other expression quoted from your papers page 7. doe you not argue thus Whatsoever is intended for the good peace and security of both Kingdomes must be done by the mutuall advice and consent of both Kingdomes But the disposing of the Kings person while in this Kingdome and upon the same ground the disposing of all the Militia Forts Castles Townes and Forces by Sea and Land all offices and places of Trust yea all our estates and interests are intended for the good peace and security of both Kingdomes Therefore these must be disposed of by the mutuall advice and consent of both Kingdomes Brethren confident we are you will sooner beate out English mens brains than force that argument into their heads surely God hath given us a better stocke of reason and humanity than thus to be charmed into bondage and slavery we have read your owne words declared by you 1641. viz. that neither by your Treaty with the English nor by seeking your peace to be established in PARLIAMENT nor any other action of yours you doe acknowledge ANY dependency upon them or make them Iudges to you or your Lawes or any thing that may import the smallest prejudice to your Liberties Are you so tender of the Mint and Cummin of Scotlands Liberties that you will not admit of the smallest prejudice thereof and shall the Parliament of England the grand Trustees of the Kingdomes Liberties dispence with the Great things of Englands interest betraying their trust and breaking their covenant yea and bringing upon them the guilt and cry of so much bloud as hath been shed in the just defence of the Kingdomes interest Brethren did you come to free us from slavery by others that you might enslave us to save us from rods that you might whip us with Scorpions to deliver us from the little finger of the King that we might feele the loynes of the Scot Doubtlesse brethren though we thankfully acknowledge that your help was seasonable in the day of our trouble which we hope we shall never forget yet were we not so profane as to contract the parting with our birthright for that Scottish pottage and therefore remember your promise page 4. That you woùld not stretch your selves beyond your line and that which is within the EXPRESSE condition of your solemne League and Covenant the duty of your Allegeance the Treaty and Declaration between the two Kingdomes And before we leave this we pray againe remember the word EXPRESSE and doe not presse us with an extorted sense for we shall never abide it In the next place you begin methodically to speak unto two heads First of the best and most probable meanes to procure a good agreement with the King for setting Religion and a lasting Peace And next of the Propositions which are to be the foundation of the peace and safety of both Kingdomes We shall not take upon us to speak unto every particular expression of yours wherein you seeme to reflect upon the Parliament our daily imploiments and busines of our callings not affording us those opportunities of knowing and understanding the severall transactions which it is very likely have passed between the Parliament and you and we doubt not but an answer to satisfaction will be given by that Honourable Assembly whom you have blemished by your writings and the publication thereof but such things which are of most plaine and obvious observation whereof there is plenty sufficient to take away those scandals which are cast upon the Parliament are these that we shall insist upon First then in your method you begin with that which you call The best and most probable meanes to procure a good agreement with the King for the setling Religion and a lasting peace and you say It is still your opinion and judgement that it must be by a personall Treaty with the King and that his Majesty for that end be invited to come to London with honour freedome and safety If you are of that opinion we pray you tell us what satisfaction for bloud and security as to peace you have received from his Majesty that this Kingdome if possibly may be of your opinion Have you concluded a peace with his Majesty without the Parliament of England Then have you broken your Treaty If you have not say so You know they are not of your opinion for a personall treaty but we would gladly weigh your reasons for it we can better beare your reasons then blowes you tender us your reasons by the halfe dozen Let us see your Position and your reasons your position is this The best way to procure a well-grounded Peace is by a personall treaty with the King at LONDON Here we are to consider first the thing a personall Treaty secondly the place at London We shall looke upon your reasons with reference to both First for the thing your first reason is The sending of Propositions without a Treaty hath been oftentimes assayed without successe and the new Propositions are lesse advantagious to the Crown than the former were 1. What if Propositions have been successelesse heretofore Doth it follow they will be so still English spirits to speake without vanitie are more noble and generous then to despaire because of repulse So many Garrisons had not been taken by some and so few by others if this Argument had prevailed with all as it hath with some 2. These foure Bills were so model'd as might have administred hopes of his Majesties concurrence being in order to a Treaty had you not anticipated by charging the new propositions to be lesse advantagious to the Crown than the former were and which we have cause to suspect hath made this last addresse to his Majesty through your means as successelesse as the former hath been contrary to the hopes and expectations of many And the truth is his Majesties answer and your lines doe so consimilate that a man would thinke that Sir John Cheisly was the Scribe to both Your next reason is this The Kings removall from the Parliament was the cause of the warre therefore his returne may be the means of peace 1. That may not follow especially as the case now stands when pretended friends change principles for self-ends and forgetting their solemne League and Covenant decline the Parliament and the Kingdoms interest and turn Royalists 2. Was not this reason as valid when you did concurre to send Propositions Your third reason is this In a personall Treaty the Commissioners of both Kingdomes may give reasons of their desires but Propositions without a Treaty may be esteemed impositions 1. We make no question but the Parliaments propositions carry their reasons in their foreheads and may be easily discerned by an English eye And doe not you know that the King of England is bound by his Oath to grant the just desires of his Parliament
concerning printing and publishing yea with maligne reflection upon them be not contrary to the practise of all publique Ministers yea and directly repugnant to all principles of common justice and infinitely unworthy that profession of love friendship and brotherly respects which you have so solemnly made in the face of heaven and earth unto them Secondly tell us bona fide whether you think in your consciences for you pretend to be very religiously conscientious that the Parliament of England people therof did ever intend any such sense of the solemne League and Covenant either concerning the interest of the kingdom or government of the Church as you have endeavoured to extort from it in your severall papers or that they did intend when they took it any otherwise by it than the promotion of holinesse in the general though with difference of judgement about discipline and the uniting us together in our mutuall assistance against and the discovery of the common enemies of both kindomes Thirdly tell us bona fide whether you desire or rather would permit that the King should have the same power in Scotland the same negative voyce the same absolute command and authority every way as you would he should have in England especially if he should refuse to take away Episcopacy to establish Presbytery to recall those proclamations and declarations whereby you are declared traytors and rebels to give satisfaction and security to your kingdome yea or whether upon the performance of these things you would let him have such a power yea or no Fourthly whether you think in the secrets of your hearts it be agreeable to the principles of religion rules of equity justice and policy an acceptable sacrifice in the sight of Almighty God and comfortable for his people to advance the King in statu quo prius untill he hath according to the pious advice and Christian exhortation of the generall Assembly of the Kirk of Scotland viz. Fallen down at the Footstoole of the King of glory acknowledging his sinnes repented of them and made his peace with God in Jesus Christ whose blood is able to wash away his great sinnes And whether you thinke in your consciences he is a changed man yea or no Fifthly and lastly whether it would not be most agreeable to the will of God the declarations protestations promises and professions of love betwixt the two kingdoms the true intent of the solemne League and Covenant and most conducing to the glory of God and the mutuall support security safety and benefit of the two nations united together that you and we be true faithfull constant and single hearted each to other assisting each other according to Our severall places and callings in the preservation of each others Peculiar proper and distinct interest And whether it would not be as great a dishonour to God scandall to the Gospell scorne to Religion rejoycing of the wicked grieving of the godly gratifying the Devill and the affaires of his kingdome among Jewes Turks Infidels Papists Prelats and all sorts of prophane men that You and We should be at variance Should we not make our selves therby an abomination to the Lord a hissing to all nations a prey unto our enemies obnoxious to the wrath and curse of God and men and bring upon our selves swift destruction for the prevention whereof let us both bow our knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ night day that we being rooted and grounded in love may grow up together in Christ perfecting holinesse in the feare of the Lord and by all Christian forbearance and wisdome may keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace OUr request is onely this that you would either giue a Reply unto the Answer of the Commons assembled in Parliament to the Scotch Commissioners papers of the 20. and their letter of the 24. of October 1646. or else to cease any further to trouble Englands eares with what you call the sense and meaning of the solemne League and Covenant Treaties c. for if you doe you will but sow the winde and reap the whirlwinde for your paines Valete FINIS Pâ—ov. 10. 9 * â—â— turneth them upside down 2 Sam. 15 7. 8. Pag. 3. by figure but the first in order Reply Reply Vide the Answer of the Commons in Parliament to the Scotch Commissioners papers of the 2d of Octob 1646 pag. 1â— The Marquis of Aâ—giles speech to the grand Committee of both Houses Iune 25. 164â— page 4. Page 3. Reply ☞ Page 3. Reply See the Chancellor of Scotlands speech to the Kings Majesty at Newcastle Reply Page 6. Page 9th 2 Sam. 1. 20. Prov. 11. 3. Page 6. Reply Vid. the book of Declar pag. 580. Hosea 4. 15. At Vxbridg Page 4. Reply Page 5. Page 5. Reply 1 Reason Reply 2 Reason Repâ—y 3 Reason Reply 4 Reason Reply 5 Reason Reply 6 Reason 1 Reason 2 Reason Page 6. Reply Prov. 27. 10. Page 6. Reply Page 7. Reply Page 14. See the Remonstrance of the generall Assembly of the kirke of Scotland sent by the commission of both Kingdomes Iune 12. 1645. to Oxford See the Parl. answer to his Majesties message to two Letters the 26 and 29. of Decemb. 1646 Page 5. * See the Letter from the Commissioners of the Parl. of Scotl. to the Commissioners of the Parl. of Engl. concerning his Majesties comming to the Scotch Army May 5. 1646. Ibid. Reply * Page 3. See the Parl. answer to the Scotch papers of the 20. of Octob 1646. Page 9. Reply 2 Kin. 10. 16. Page 10. Ibid. Reply Page 17. Reply Ibid. Reply Lev. 22. 22. Ibid. Reply Page 11. Page 18. Reply Iam. 1. 21. Reply Pag. 17 18 Reply Pag. 19 20 Reply Page 21. Reply Page 22. Page 21. 2 Cor. 11. 26. Reply Reply Page 2â— Reply Reply Page 23. Reply See the Answer of the Commons to the Scotch Commissioners papers of the 20. and their letter of the 24. of Octob. 1646. page 11. Pag. 23. Reply Page 25. Reply Ibid Reply Ibid. Reply Page 25. Reply See Indepency of England c. lately set forth pa. 18 19.